Iraq opening to business: ‘Occupiers’ need not apply
BAGHDAD — Iraq’s Baghdad Trade Fair ended Tuesday, six years and a trillion dollars after the American invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein, and one country was conspicuously absent.
That would be the country that spent a trillion dollars — on the invasion and occupation, but also on training and equipping Iraqi security forces, and on ambitious reconstruction projects in every province aimed at rebuilding the country and restarting the economy.
…. Of the 396 companies that exhibited their wares, “there are two or three American participants, but I can’t remember their names,” said Hashem Mohammed Haten, director general of Iraq’s state fair company. …
The trade fair is a telling indication of an uncomfortable truth: America’s war in Iraq has been good for business in Iraq — but not necessarily for American business.
American companies are not seeing much lasting benefit from their country’s investment in Iraq. Some American businesses have calculated that the high security costs and fear of violence make Iraq a business no-go area. Even those who are interested and want to come are hampered by American companies’ reputation here for overcharging and shoddy workmanship, an outgrowth of the first years of the occupation, and a lasting and widespread anti-Americanism.
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Jimmy Carter
November 13th, 2009
10:46 am
But the libs said this war was all about oil. If that’s the case, where’s the oil?
Normal
November 13th, 2009
10:47 am
No good deed goes unpunished…Jus’ sayin’
Normal
November 13th, 2009
10:49 am
JC, come on, you know that’s not true…That was Cheney’s mantra. “Iraq oil will pay for the war” Horse feathers!
Jimmy Carter
November 13th, 2009
10:50 am
Normal
November 13th, 2009
10:49 am
Nope. This “illegal” invasion (which most dem congressmen voted for) was supposedly a smoke screen for us to snatch their oil and line the pockets of W’s oil buddies. LOL!!! How lame.
Jimmy Carter
November 13th, 2009
10:52 am
Headline “Army says morale down among troops in Afghanistan…”
Perhaps they just need more time to make a final decision. Much like Private Obama and his Afghan stance.
Angry Black Man
November 13th, 2009
10:53 am
Morning all
I wouldn’t want to do business over there right now. Too much anti-American sentiment floating around. Give it a few years and see how things shake out. If we invaded for oil, we really, really shot ourselves in the foot on this one.
btw, anyone else have any issues yesterday evening connecting to this blog, or was it just me?
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 13th, 2009
10:54 am
If memory serves the cowardly iraqi bums gave oil contracts to the chinese.
It doesnt really matter though, the iraqi hellhole will implode and chaos will rule the day…should only take 6 mos to a year.
Im now a believer that nation building just doenst work. Especially when the inhabitants are lazy and cowardly.
Tom
November 13th, 2009
10:55 am
Our successes in Iraq have been enormous. We have bloodied and destroyed and saved it – all while introducing Jesussah to the citizenry. The move into Afghan was equally brilliant and heroic.
Pakistan is next on the list. We just need the right person to “guide” our efforts. Bring back…BushDrunk! He has lit a fire which is now enveloping the entire Middle East. Good BushDrunk. Let’s have some more “Victory Parades” – as we had in “Desert Joke.”
Normal
November 13th, 2009
10:56 am
JC, I’ll say I agree with you with I scheme to get the oil, and I don’t want to rehash history, but I don’t doubt that if the Democrats had been told the whole truth, there would have been no war.
As far as Iraqi business is concerned, if they don’t want us, we should pack up and go home. Just let the chips fall where they will.
Jimmy Carter
November 13th, 2009
10:57 am
Angry Black Man
November 13th, 2009
10:53 am
I’ve come to the conclusion that you are not actually an angry black man, much the same as I am not the real ex-prez Jimmy Carter (real shock, huh). While you may well be a black man, you are hardly angry. At least your posts don’t indicate that. You’re way to level headed in your observations to be considered “angry”. This was sucked from Day 1 and we are now virtually bankrupt and looking stupid. Hmm, on second thought, maybe my post name should be “Angry Jimmy Carter”.
Normal
November 13th, 2009
10:58 am
ABM, I think Jay needs to get rid of that Commodore 64 he has…
Normal
November 13th, 2009
11:00 am
ABM, “shot ourselves in the foot”? No, I think we aimed a little higher than that…
Jackie
November 13th, 2009
11:04 am
We were involved in Iraq initially for the “business opportunities.” With that market being severely restricted because the consumers choose not to buy the “brand” we were selling, our options are limited.
Our marketing model had no chance of succeeding because we failed to do proper market research.
Since our capital reserves were limited, our cash flow has been restricted which moved us to the brink of bankruptcy.
Not to worry, we gave our CEO (President Bush) and his management staff golden parachutes for the hard work they put in. Their salaries and bonuses paid were not sufficient.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 13th, 2009
11:05 am
Even those who are interested and want to come are hampered by American companies’ reputation here for overcharging and shoddy workmanship, an outgrowth of the first years of the occupation, and a lasting and widespread anti-Americanism.
Let me guess, they were talking about trading dates, a real big American commodity if there ever was one, and oil, which is practically illegal to use the United States?
Why bother?
All it will get you is a bunch of libs screaming at you about how horrible you are.
Angry Black Man
November 13th, 2009
11:07 am
JC
I have my moments of pisstivity, but I’ve realized that it takes far more energy to be angry as opposed to thinking things through to a logical conclusion. ABM was also a nickname given to me when I was going thru the academy.
Normal
I think the wordpress software hates ad-aware or something to that effect. But I could see Jay pecking away on a C64 or an Apple IIE
pat
November 13th, 2009
11:13 am
So? Who the hell would want to go there anyway?
I think the feeling is mutual, they don’t want us, and we don’t want to be there…sounds like a win, win to me.
Taxpayer
November 13th, 2009
11:16 am
I suppose we should just look at the effort in Iraq to date as the price that had to be paid to set history back on its proper course before Reagan and company stepped in an created the monster, Saddam, and all that followed.
F. Sinkwich
November 13th, 2009
11:22 am
Ah, the usual Bush-bashing by the moonbats. Some things never change.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 13th, 2009
11:23 am
Well, I reckon people will hold little things against you in business. Things like fixing up showers that shock people to death. Picky, picky, picky. Shoot up a few dozen people while you’re guarding some big shots and they don’t want you in the country again. It’s the same thing over here. Break a few beer bottles while you’re hauling them and they won’t buy the beer again.
Anyhow, we went over there and kicked some A. So what if we ain’t getting nothing from it? We needed something for the troops to do.
I reckon it’s time for us to get out of there, seeing as how we ain’t getting nothing from it and they don’t want us anymore. Not even a drop of oil. Heck with them, is what I say. Leastwise it got alot of good Conservative Republicans reelected in 2004. It wouldn’t of been Patriotic not to vote for them, what with us in a war and all.
Have a good lunch and p.m. everybody.
Matilda
November 13th, 2009
11:27 am
“So? Who the hell would want to go there anyway?”
Halliburton
Veritas Capital Fund/DynCorp
Washington Group International
Environmental Chemical
Aegis
International American Products
Erinys
Fluor
Perini Corporation
URS Corporation
Parsons
First Kuwaiti General Trading & Contracting
Armor Holdings
L3 Communications
AM General
HSBC Bank
Cummins
MerchantBridge
GlobalRisk Strategies
ControlRisks
CACI
Bechtel
Custer Battles
NOUR USA Limited
General Dynamics
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 13th, 2009
11:29 am
More than 350 Arab ,foreign, and local companies participated in Baghdad International Fair. Of different specialties. Sophisticated experienced in different areas of work, and has advanced scientific and technical staff able to provide the best in the world. Especially that Iraq is heading towards the reconstruction of destroyed infrastructure .
Safaa Al Din Al Saffi trade minister said: The exhibition is a positive step in building a solid economic relations with various countries of the world.-Iraq Business Directory
The Fair was held to attract new investment from the world, the NY Times and bookman just fail to report that the United States has already secured a relationship, probably snagging all the fat opportunities already.
I will report what I find, unlike others.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 13th, 2009
11:31 am
Huh, this wasn’t very hard to find-
Basra Governor Shaltagh Abboud discussed on Thursday with a high-ranking U.S. delegation investment and rehabilitation projects in the province.-Iraq BD
Wow, a whole province, all to ourselves.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 13th, 2009
11:33 am
The final shipment of solar-powered water purification systems from SPX Global will arrive in Iraq in about a week, bringing the total number of received units to 325.
SPX Global, a San Diego company that just opened in the spring, completed its first contract with the Ministry of Municipalities and Public Works in Iraq just in time for the annual cholera season.-Iraq
I’m tired already, there is just too much to report.
I share the link should you desire to learn, instead of propagandize against this great country.
http://www.iraqdirectory.com/en/default.asp
Normal
November 13th, 2009
11:48 am
I share the link should you desire to learn, instead of propagandize against this great country.
Wow! Who’s the Blog Nanny, now?
mike
November 13th, 2009
12:06 pm
Jackie –
“We were involved in Iraq initially for the “business opportunities.””
What are you talking about?. What is the basis for your latest bizarre claim?
Dick Cheney
November 13th, 2009
12:07 pm
I think we got plenty from Iraq
mike
November 13th, 2009
12:07 pm
What is up with this garbage blog software? So much garbage gets through, but completely innocuous posts are held up.
mike
November 13th, 2009
12:09 pm
Anybody actually read the article? It provides no evidence that the US is being “shunned” at all. US companies are clearly choosing to stay away because of the high cost and expense of doing business there. Read the article for yourself instead of letting Jay spin the original writer’s spin. Neither of their headlines is accurate.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 13th, 2009
12:11 pm
mike- Maybe bookman installed a Blubber Blocker, that would explain why none of your comments get through.
mike
November 13th, 2009
12:12 pm
Whiner –
Shouldn’t you be hating someone or calling somebody names or something like that?
mike
November 13th, 2009
12:13 pm
Jay –
“Of course, you are free to start your own blog where YOUR judgment will be paramount, and you can display the lack of bias for which you are so widely renowned. No doubt it would be extremely popular.”
Don’t you think that this knee-jerk response can be just as equally applied to you and your daily criticisms of others.
I mean, you are free to run for public office. You are free to run a business. You are free to become a leader in a political party. And “no doubt” you would be far better at it than the people that you criticize on a daily basis. Of course, your failure to do so does not stop you from making said criticisms.
I mean should Perdue respond to your column by saying, “Why don’t you become the Governor”? You would rightfully laugh at such a response, yet here you are making the same argument.
It seems like your mindset is “I am here to criticize, not be criticized”. Well guess what. You are a public face of an important local institution. You are allowed to be criticized too.
dewstarpath
November 13th, 2009
12:14 pm
- Normal –
NOTE: The following is off – topic.
The Commodore 64 was the greatest microcomputer of the
early 80’s. Owned one (very first); very few could compete
with it (particularly in the category of sound).
There are emulators you can download, along with ROM images.
One good one is CCS64 (you can Google it).
Also, the first one I ever used was an Apple IIe (as mentioned by
Angry Black Man). It was way too expensive to own, though ($ 500
and up). Used it in my 1st year of high school.
mike
November 13th, 2009
12:15 pm
“The Commodore 64 was the greatest microcomputer of the early 80’s.”
Yeah it was. I had the big floppy drive that was the size of a shoe box.
dewstarpath
November 13th, 2009
12:17 pm
- On topic –
NO WAY Iraq should be looked at as a business
opportunity. If that’s our standard for business opportunity,
we won’t be around long enough to reap the benefits.
dewstarpath
November 13th, 2009
12:18 pm
- mike –
I know. I wish I had the 1541, but I had to settle
for the Datasette. All of my code was on music tapes (!).
Common Sense
November 13th, 2009
12:22 pm
………….. and remember the Iraqi Constitution says, “nothing in this Constitution shall violate THE TENETS OF ISLAM.”
What idiocy for us to have fought that war and allowed that in their Constitution.
We wrote the Japanese Constitution (actually McArhtur had two U.S. Army legal officers write it after the Japanese dilly dallied) after WW II and we should have written this one.
We never learn ……………………
@@
November 13th, 2009
12:27 pm
Well, jay, it could be argued that the left’s constant “war for oil” mantra has made the Iraqis suspicious of any American business ventures in their country.
Not everybody has been shut out, though.
Peter Galbraith stands to make hundreds of millions off the Kurd’s oil contracts.
In fact, Galbraith’s own actions are the clearest demonstration that the Kurdish separatists’ alleged “autonomy” is nothing of the sort. Wedged between two larger, hostile powers—Turkey to the north, and the rest of Iraq to the south—they are generally at the mercy of shifts in broader regional politics, and their oil industry in particular is the target of unscrupulous operators like Galbraith.
Galbraith’s views played a significant role in the Democratic Party’s fraudulent attempts to portray itself as a representative of popular antiwar sentiment, while it planned to continue occupying Iraq after the departure of President George W. Bush. Galbraith specialized in giving a moralistic, pseudo-democratic veneer to Democratic plans to reduce US troop commitments in Iraq by imposing a ruthless, Yugoslav-style ethnic partition on the country.
On this basis, he became a prominent advisor on foreign policy questions to Democratic politicians, including Senator (now Vice President) Joe Biden and the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, John Kerry. — Axis of Logic
So what….the dems didn’t see it coming?
Yeah, right!
Alls fair in political love and war.
That’s what I say, anyhoo.
@@
November 13th, 2009
12:31 pm
12:24….no new thread….37 comments.
Where am I?
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 13th, 2009
12:31 pm
Perhaps Obobo could send over a couple of crates of those $600 toilet seats and sell them for $800. Then use the proceeds to finance OboboCare.
N-GA
November 13th, 2009
12:36 pm
I think that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should go to Iraq and attend a business fair. They’ll throw flowers at their feet!
dewstarpath
November 13th, 2009
12:37 pm
- Common Sense –
That’s a good point. However, the difference is we wrote
the constitution for the same country that attacked us.
McArthur also banned the religion (Shinto) from intervening
in the affairs of the reconstructed government of post-war
Japan.
It would be different if we invaded Saudi Arabia (where most
of the 9/11 hijackers were from).
Normal
November 13th, 2009
12:38 pm
dewstarpath
November 13th, 2009
12:14 pm
I had the tandy 1000 which was supposed to be a clone of the 64. I had it on a ship I served on. Had a chess game on cassette I had to load every time I wanted to play. At just before lunch time, I’d start the tape and go get chow, then grab a smoke, get a cup of coffee and go back to my shop and the danged thing would be just about finished loading. Good game though…
Common Sense
November 13th, 2009
12:41 pm
dewstarpath:
I hear you but I still think your comments help make my point. The bottom line is that NOTHING that ever comes out of Iraq will be good. It can’t be.
stands for decibels
November 13th, 2009
12:45 pm
Anybody actually read the article?
Perhaps, but I doubt anyone bothered to get to the second page, which included this bit worthy of consideration:
It is almost an article of faith among many Iraqis, judging from opinion polls, that the United States invaded Iraq not to topple Saddam Hussein, but to get their country’s oil.
If true, then the war failed in even more ways than some critics charge.
It wasn’t until last week that the first major oil field exploitation contract was signed with a foreign company — BP, in a joint deal with China’s state-run China National Petroleum Corporation.
Exxon Mobil, an American company, has an oil field deal awaiting final approval from Iraq’s oil ministry. The Italian oil giant Eni, whose junior partner is the American-owned Occidental Petroleum, is expected to sign a similar deal. These, however, are service contracts, so the foreign oil companies don’t actually own rights to any new oil they may find.
Anyway, to get back to mike’s point, which was:
It provides no evidence that the US is being “shunned” at all.
Well, setting aside how headlines ofttimes are written by someone other than the one who actually filed the story–I think it provides a lot of examples as to how a lot of businesses are finding it tough over there, which was the point.
@@
November 13th, 2009
12:46 pm
Tooling thru, it must be the new Gallup poll, Kyle put up that has the libs running for cover.
Giddy-up!!!!
Oh well….need to start painting a bedroom anyway.
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 13th, 2009
12:52 pm
“It is almost an article of faith among many Iraqis, judging from opinion polls, that the United States invaded Iraq not to topple Saddam Hussein, but to get their country’s oil”
And thats a bad thing? We have paid for all that middle east oil hundreds of times over and regardless of what those stupid iraqis think we should have it.
Doggone/GA
November 13th, 2009
1:04 pm
After skimming through the article…I don’t see where the “need not apply” came from. Seems more to me like “DID NOT apply.” Is it now the fault of the Iraqis if American businesses DID NOT bother to attend their fair?
Mrs. Godzilla
November 13th, 2009
1:06 pm
HUH????
WHAT????
Bush officials lead Iraq business push
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/9be0f0f8-cd7d-11de-8162-00144feabdc0,dwp_uuid=5aedc804-2f7b-11da-8b51-00000e2511c8,print=yes.html
stands for decibels
November 13th, 2009
1:13 pm
We have paid for all that middle east oil hundreds of times over and regardless of what those stupid iraqis think we should have it.
Honest to god, it’s hard to tell where Redneck Convert ends and the real thing begins, sometimes.
stands for decibels
November 13th, 2009
1:15 pm
Is it now the fault of the Iraqis if American businesses DID NOT bother to attend their fair?
DGA, the business fair in question was just a convenient stopping point for an update on American commerce in Iraq; after all, the author quotes a source as saying “I wouldn’t read too much into American presence or lack of it at the trade fair as a bellwether”
Common Sense
November 13th, 2009
1:18 pm
Headline: “Army says morale down among troops ……. ”
Does that include private Obama since he is the Commander in Chief? He looked a little “down” the other day.
jt
November 13th, 2009
1:18 pm
DON’t forget this.
Iraqs biggest trading partner Turkey.
Turkish Corp. Tax rate—————————————20%
Russian Corp Tax Rate————————————–22%
US Corp Tax Rate———————————————30%
Also US corps are subject to confistacotry State taxes.
Also, with more lawyers than any other country, litigation is a crippling hidden tax.
Also, the US state Dept advises NOT to travel to Iraq.
It is NOT just Iraq where US companies are having their lunches eaten. These evil corperations can not compete because they have 50% of the American population to support.
Doggone/GA
November 13th, 2009
1:19 pm
sfd…actually, my comment was more a criticism of Jay’s choice of words that any criticism of the original article. I don’t see how “need not apply” came out of an article that only reported they “did not” apply. I saw nothing in the article that indicated they COULD NOT apply.
Common Sense
November 13th, 2009
1:21 pm
Headline: “Ayers, Dohrn accuse Hillary of ‘white supremacy’….”
That’s not nice.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 13th, 2009
1:25 pm
jt
don’t switch from the google page yet….
now check how many US corps actually pay the “confistacotry” tax rates and why.
you don’t have the full story
Doggone/GA
November 13th, 2009
1:26 pm
“This “illegal” invasion (which most dem congressmen voted for) ”
You need to check the numbers again.
In the House of Representatives there were 82 D votes FOR the Iraq War Resolution and 126 against.
I the Senate there were 29 D votes for, 21 against.
I make that a total of 258 D votes in Congress. Of those 258, there were 111 votes FOR the Iraq ware, 147 D votes AGAINST the Iraq war.
So it is not, to be charitable, accurate to say MOST Dems voted for the war…when the numbers clearly show that MOST of them voted against it.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 13th, 2009
1:34 pm
pisstivity
I don’t know if that’s really a word but if it ain’t it should be.
Jimmy Carter:
Now you go and tell us you aren’t Jimmy Carter. At my age I just don’t need anymore things to be disillusioned about.
jt
November 13th, 2009
1:35 pm
Also REAL American business women like Carrie Prejean and Sarah Palin refuse to wear scarves.
(unlike Hillary Clinton).
Iraqis are intiminated by strong, willful half-naked American women.
Mrs. G-
I do not have that info, nor do you.
Sorry for misspelling confiscatory.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 13th, 2009
1:45 pm
jt
money magazine has it
http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/news/economy/corporate_taxes/
reuters has it
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1249465620080812
don’t worry about the spelling, I’d have had to have looked it up myself!
mike
November 13th, 2009
1:49 pm
sfb –
“I think it provides a lot of examples as to how a lot of businesses are finding it tough over there, which was the point.”
Agreed that the examples of business being tough, but that is far different than being “shunned” as the Times and Jay claim. The “point” that the Times was trying to make was that America was being shunned.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 13th, 2009
1:52 pm
Well, somebody let me know when mike’s thru with his hissy fit and then maybe I’ll write something. Leastwise he’s blasting bookman this time, not me.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
jt
November 13th, 2009
1:55 pm
Thank you Mrs. G-
Very informative and sickening.
I would hazard that said corps BUDGET for the 35% tax.
Anyhoo. Your Forbes article did have this.
“The U.S. corporate tax rate stayed the same while foreign countries have drifted down, which increases the incentive for companies to report income in other countries,” said Toder. “If the U.S. drops the rate to 30% but closes other tax loopholes, that may ultimately generate more tax revenue for the government.”
mike
November 13th, 2009
1:56 pm
Redneck Convert –
Your ceaseless bigotry is too tedious and predictable to comment on. That’s why your comments never spark any conversation beyond a conversations about how intolerant a person you are. In fact, the only thing interesting about you is your intolerance.
We get it. You hate people who don’t share your narrow minded views and hence, must demonize them with ignorant stereotypes. Who cares?
Mrs. Godzilla
November 13th, 2009
1:58 pm
jt
does hazard mean guess? i’d hazard that they budget for the very least they can legally justify paying.
@@
November 13th, 2009
2:02 pm
64 comments?
What…..is Obama in town or something?
A little paint on each wall. Waiting to see if it dries to the right color. Golden Muffin but it looks yellow right now.
I must take a moment to brag, just a bit. Georgia Wetlands Offer Cure for Drought
We’ve got ^^^ those all over Clayton County. Where does the land come from? Donated mostly. Who donates? Long-time and land rich residents — the ones who used to vote Democrat but now vote Republican. Do they get a tax write off? I’m sure, but their efforts are for the greater good.
Who remembers General Honore of hurricane Katrina fame? Looks straight at some hysterical reporter and asked What…..are YOU stuck on STUPID?
LUV THAT GUY!
He’s got more to say in an interview with Gallup.
Business is a big part of eliminating poverty on Railroad Street, along with creating a viable education system and a secure environment to live in. That’s why business should care about Railroad Street — should invest in the capital it finds there. It’s the right thing to do, of course. But business alone has the capacity to improve Railroad Street; it has what government doesn’t. And business can get more out of Railroad Street than it puts in.
http://gmj.gallup.com/content/124211/Fighting-Poverty-Business-Case.aspx
Works at my school! Keeping tuition affordable for middle-income families with special needs children. If you’re low income, corporations and local business pick up the cost by offering scholarships. All other expenses are paid through corporate sponsors.
It’s likely our kids won’t be employed in any great capacity within corporate America. It must be coming from the goodness of their heart.
Jackie
November 13th, 2009
2:03 pm
@mike
Your 12:06 response is, as always, feigning lack of knowledge of publicly stated intentions by the Bush Administration.
Did you forget about the oil and the leases the oil companies were to receive? How about the oil paying for the invasion? These are just some of the things that we know from public pronouncements.
Oh what a web they(Dubya) weave when they practice to deceive.
My, oh my!
mike
November 13th, 2009
2:12 pm
Jackie –
“Your 12:06 response is, as always, feigning lack of knowledge of publicly stated intentions by the Bush Administration.”
Speak for yourself. I am not a silly conspiracy theorist.
“Did you forget about the oil and the leases the oil companies were to receive?”
The US government promised oil leases to oil companies before the war started? Any evidence?
“How about the oil paying for the invasion? These are just some of the things that we know from public pronouncements.”
And what evidence does any of this provide for your bizarre claim that “we were involved in Iraq initially for the “business opportunities.”?
As usual, you can not back up your bizarre assertions.
jt
November 13th, 2009
2:14 pm
Mrs. G- your comment.
“I’d hazard that they budget for the very least they can legally justify paying.”
Is there anything wrong with that?
Jackie
November 13th, 2009
2:21 pm
@mike
NO ONE comes close to the being as having a major hole in their logic as you!
I will google the comments by Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and others that publicly stated that sentiment.
Don’t go away, I will be back with those bizarre assertions, as your rejoinder states.
It will make interesting reading for your, sir.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 13th, 2009
2:22 pm
JT
nope, but didn’t you posit that they would budget for 35%
that is what you posted, right?
in fact the word budget was all in caps…..
Jackie
November 13th, 2009
2:25 pm
@mike
There are so many on google that it would be hard to list them all; hundreds of links.
Now, while you go to your room for making statements that were untrue, here is one of MANY links for you to read.
Take your time, it does not have big words!!!!
http://digg.com/comics_animation/At_First_They_Told_Us_the_Iraq_War_Would_Pay_for_Itself
@@
November 13th, 2009
2:28 pm
Too funny!
US meets immigration reform benchmarks: Napolitano
Let’s see here….security on the border has been expanded AND
Seizures of contraband have climbed dramatically this year, she said, while enhanced enforcement and a weaker U.S. economy have cut the flow of illegal immigrants by more than half.
So Obama’s economic policies have cut the flow of illegal immigrants?
Rather drastic measures, I’d say. But hey…..the dems need something to float their boat.
mike
November 13th, 2009
2:30 pm
Jackie –
“Don’t go away, I will be back with those bizarre assertions, as your rejoinder states.”
Sure thing. Looking forward to explaining why those quotes do nothing to support your bizarre assertion that “we were involved in Iraq initially for the “business opportunities.”
jt
November 13th, 2009
2:33 pm
Mrs. G-
Point ingested.
mike
November 13th, 2009
2:34 pm
Jackie –
“There are so many on google that it would be hard to list them all; hundreds of links.”
So many that you can’t just cite one to back up your silly claim. LOL
Look claiming that “the war would pay for itself” is not the same as stating “we started this war for this business interests”.
That is as silly as taking comments from Democrats that state that health care reform will be paid for with new taxes on the wealthy and using them as the basis to claim that the goal of health care reform is to raise taxes.
You are confusing the means with the ends.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 13th, 2009
2:35 pm
jt
thanks kind sir
Jackie
November 13th, 2009
3:06 pm
@mike
Continue to pretend that you can’t comprehend?
As is usual with you, diarrhea of the lip is prominent.
CONFLATE, EXTRAPOLATE, OBFUSCATE. You are good!!!!!
dewstarpath
November 13th, 2009
5:01 pm
- Normal –
Those long wait times are what killed tape drives.
I had this one commercial game – “Forbidden Forrest”
by Cosmi – took about 8 min. to load (!)
I also remember the TANDY 1000 – kind of looked like
an Apple – with the keyboard and the housing one in the
same, almost like a 64, too. Only saw one on display,
though.