An ‘oversensitive Army’ an unlikely explanation for Ft. Hood tragedy
In a piece headlined “Fort Hood Killer Eludes Oversensitive Army,” Margaret Carlson, a columnist at Bloomberg.com, claims that “a sudden case of political correctness” prevented the U.S. Army from intervening with Major Nidal Hasan. The Army treated him with kid gloves, Carlson suggests, because it was afraid of offending him and other Muslims.
She writes:
“The problem of the Army is the problem shared by all of us who want to be fair. Most Muslims are not terrorists. They are peaceful, non-violent, upstanding citizens, thousands of them in uniform. At the same time, most terrorists, as we define the word in the developed West, are Muslims.”
Carlson goes on to note that even after receiving poor performance reviews during his stint at Walter Reed, Hasan was promoted to major. That too becomes evidence of an overly PC military. “Look at us, the promotion board,” Carlson writes. “See how unbiased we are.”
The truth is, none of us really knows yet what happened. Perhaps it went down as Carlson and a lot of other people claim. But given how the military operates and the institutional pressures it faces in wartime, I suspect that in the end the explanation will be exactly the opposite of that offered by Carlson and others.
The Army wasn’t being oversensitive in its handling of Hasan and it wasn’t being politically correct. It was being the U.S. Army, which means that instead of caring too much about Hasan’s feelings, it didn’t care at all.
It doesn’t care whether some soldier doesn’t want to ship overseas. It doesn’t care whether an officer trained on the taxpayers’ dime wants out of the military before his commitment is up, and it particularly don’t care when that officer is in a high-demand field such as psychiatry.
If you’re a Muslim with qualms about going to a war zone in a Muslim country, it doesn’t care. As an institution, it is built to ignore the qualms, wants, needs and fears of those who come through its doors. The Army cares about the Army’s needs, not yours.
Last month, Capt. Connie Rhodes, trained as a doctor by the Army, tried to use the birther nonsense to avoid deployment to Iraq. By filing suit challenging President Obama’s standing as commander in chief, she embarrassed the Army and she embarrassed herself as officer. In peacetime she might have been punished and bounced out of the service.
Instead she’s in Iraq, doing her job, because in wartime the Army doesn’t care.
And why did Hasan get promoted to major? It wasn’t because he was a Muslim. It was because he was a captain. In peacetime, weaker officers are usually culled out before they reach major; in wartime, with so many officers leaving the service, almost every captain who stays gets promoted to major.
None of that should be construed to excuse what happened. But I suspect it’s a more accurate narrative than that offered by Carlson and others.
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Midori
November 12th, 2009
1:28 pm
Afternoon everyone
thomas
November 12th, 2009
1:37 pm
“The truth is, none of really knows yet what happened.”-Jay Bookman
But then how do you know this?
“The Army wasn’t being oversensitive in its handling of Hasan and it wasn’t being politically correct.”-Jay Bookman
and this how do you and only you KNOW this?
“And why did Hasan get promoted to major? It wasn’t because he was a Muslim. It was because he was a captain. In peacetime, weaker officers are usually culled out before they reach major; in wartime, with so many officers leaving the service, almost every captain who stays gets promoted to major.”-Jay Bookman
Nothing Is Free
November 12th, 2009
1:37 pm
Jay
Why is it OK that Congress and this administration takes three days to push through a $800 billion stimulus bill, and then takes 4 days to push through a $1.2 trillion dollar health bill, but Obama should take four months to decide to start all over making a decision for our military and we should “wait and see” when it comes to deciding if a Muslim man who is screaming Allah Arkba while he is slaughtering US servicemen at Ft. hood was a terrorist attack?
Would he had been a terrorist if he had strapped on a C-4 vest and blew up all those people?
I know this isn’t about disco or anything important like that, but how about giving an answer a shot?
Matilda
November 12th, 2009
1:43 pm
Well said, Mr. Bookman. Carlson likes to get her smiling teeth on TV all the time by overstating what seems to be obvious. The most loudly repeated explanation, “We’re too PC!” isn’t necessarily the case. In fact, I hear more “We’re too PC!” squawks in any given week than I hear instances of someone actually trying to be PC.
Anyone who has experienced the military first hand knows that indeed, they DON’T care about he needs or concerns of the individuals therein — especially not in wartime when money and resources are stretched to the max. Hit the mute button on the cable “news” yammer heads, and that IS the most obvious explanation. They’re all overlooked.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 12th, 2009
1:44 pm
Well, a Needle ain’t politically correct but that’s what needs to happen to this Muslim Terrist that killed all the soldiers. Since they won’t let us hang him or fry him because that’s not PC. If I said it once I said it 100 times. If your name is Jones or Stumpbottom or Buice or something like that, you belong in the army. If it’s al Medha or Mohammed or something like that, you need to have your uniform tore off and get marched right off the base.
And next I’m waiting to hear from all the pencil-necks about how this guy bought his own guns and ammo and didn’t carry a army pistol. They’ll get into this gun control stuff and everything. Well, they’ll take my anti-tank weapon and the two machine guns I use for hunting and self-defense when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.
Oh, almost forgot, Hi Midori. I know you libruls are just waking up right now from the stupor you get from taking all the illegal drugs.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Jay
November 12th, 2009
1:46 pm
NIF, because they are very different problems requiring very different time scales.
Going back to your disco days (or more accurately, nights), you might have made a pretty quick decision on whether to take a particular girl home with you.
The decision to marry a particular girl might have taken a bit more time.
Hard Right Hook
November 12th, 2009
1:46 pm
The left has mastered the “victim class.” There are many groups that are victims, and it’s virtually impossible to speak honestly about a Muslim (victim) who, coincidentally, randomly kills soldiers at a military base. Act of terror? Yes. Muslim? Yes. Should the Army have discharged him? Yes, just like they should a Klanner or any other person with an avowed goal of killing infidels or anyone else.
@@
November 12th, 2009
1:53 pm
jay, if you’re seeking to go the conscientious objector route,
Malik Nidal Hasannever requested that status. Have you seen the power point presentation he made?Six months prior this guy was under investigation. Somebody dropped the ball…for what reason, I do not know.
I’ve been reading up on this case…two guys out of Chicago.
LeT operative David Headley
A home ministry official said investigators would also look at the possibility of Headley facilitating US visas for Students Islamic Movement of India activists in the country who could become part of Lashkar-e-Tayyeba’s sleeper cell network in the US.
Headley has admitted to the plots:
“Everything is not a joke . . . We are not rehearsing a skit on Saturday Night Live,” Headley said in the posting. “Call me old-fashioned, but I feel disposed towards violence for the offending parties.”
Rana, Headley’s accomplice owns several businesses, including First World Immigration Services, which has offices on Devon Avenue in Chicago, New York and Toronto, as well as a meat-processing plant in Kinsman. That plant is used to slaughter goats and sheep per Muslim religious requirements.
First World Immigration Services secures visas for Pakistani nationals.
Extensive means were used to carry out a search warrant of the plant earlier this month. Witnesses said about 100 agents were on the scene. Helicopters, trucks and SUVs could be seen in front of the building during the raid.
Rana’s attorney asked the community in Chicago’s federal court district to reserve judgment.
The F.B.I. has recorded conversations between these two. It’s clear they were planning terror attacks against schools, hotels, cartoonists. Better make sure luckovich doesn’t draw insulting depictions of Muhammed. Best he stick to American politicians.
This is no time to get all mushy.
Common Sense
November 12th, 2009
1:55 pm
Keep your “head in the sand” ………….. if you don’t “they” will put it there for you …….. absent your body.
Here it is again in case you missed it yesterday :
What’s behind America’s politically correct ‘love’ of Islam?
——————————————————————————–
Posted: November 09, 2009
9:25 pm Eastern
David Kupelian
“So, why do we have this stubborn inability to come to grips with Islam?
Everyone attributes it to “political correctness,” but I think it’s time to move beyond that shallow, passé, near-meaningless phrase.
Do we dare admit what is really at play here? The truth is actually very simple.
We are afraid of Islam.
We are intimidated by Islam.
And because we are afraid of and intimidated by Islam, Islam is changing us – in two distinct and profound ways.
First, as is appallingly obvious, we’re afraid to criticize Islam openly, for fear of having our head cut off or having a fatwa put out on us like the director of the new “2012″ film, or we’re afraid of being sued by some of the very litigious Islamic organizations like CAIR, or we’re afraid of being called a racist, extremist, hater or “Islamophobe” thanks to the tyranny of political correctness, or we’re afraid of offending those in power and thereby risking our position, stature or other advantage. This reaction, while perhaps selfish and cowardly, is more-or-less conscious and strategic.
However, for some it goes much deeper: Being intimidated by Islam (or by anything, for that matter) actually causes some of us to mysteriously grow sympathetic toward it, to defend it, to side with it, even to convert to it. This unconscious shift in attitude, in response to fear of being hurt, is called the Stockholm syndrome, named after the 1973 Swedish bank robbery during which the four terrorized hostages sided with their criminal captors while disparaging the police risking their lives trying to save them.
We need to understand that a certain percentage of us, when we’re intimidated and upset, start to emotionally gravitate toward and agree with whatever is intimidating us. Not just superficially, as a temporary tactic of placating a bully so he won’t hurt us, but more profoundly, deep down in the inner sanctum of our being where our thoughts and feelings germinate and our loyalties bloom.
Intimidation – that is, causing others to react with upset and fear – is a fundamental principle of mind control, fully capable of causing the victim’s loyalties to shift toward the intimidator, whether a schoolyard bully, gang leader, child molester, hostage-taking bank robber or Islamic radical.
“Political correctness” – which is basically a low-grade Stockholm syndrome playing out on a broad societal stage – is actually a subtle form of brainwashing. Even establishment mouthpiece Newsweek, in its famous Dec. 24, 1990, cover story on the then-new phenomenon of political correctness on college campuses (titled “Thought Police”) conceded this truth when it reported: “PC is, strictly speaking, a totalitarian philosophy.”
Bottom line: We’re intimidated, bullied, threatened, terrorized – and so we capitulate, not just in word and deed, but in thought. Get it?
Most of the time, of course, this occurs below the radar of our own consciousness. We don’t understand what’s really happening. So we interpret our growing sympathy and affinity for whatever intimidated us as evidence of our loving, open-minded, enlightened nature. In reality, it’s the result of craven weakness on our part.”
Nothing Is Free
November 12th, 2009
1:59 pm
Jay
Yes they are very different problems. But to force bills through Congress before the lawmakers even have time to read the bills? What kind of government do we have?
This ain’t taking a sweet thang home, this is controlling billions of dollars and millions of lives. And the lawmakers aren’t given time to read the bills or to understand what they are voting for.
I know Democrats aren’t stupid. (well . . . never mind) This has to be bothering you My brother-in-law is a Democrat politician and it is driving him crazy. He won’t even discuss it because there is no way anyone can rationalize it.
Take your time. We have three more years of this. But, please stop looking at promises ands start looking at the results. Jay, the results are horrible. They are horrible for our economy and they are horrible for the confidence of the American People in our government. I understand this strong support for one of the greatest politicians to ever come along. But there has to be a time when a politician HAS to become a leader.
Obama doesn’t appear to be doing anything and I really don’t think that even the most ardent supporter wanted Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to be running our country. In the words of Ted Turner: Lead, follow or get out of the way.
Matilda
November 12th, 2009
2:00 pm
AtAt, and yet…. no one in the Army had the time or energy to care about these things. You just validated Bookman’s point.
Nothing Is Free
November 12th, 2009
2:01 pm
Jay
I need to run, but if you choose to answer, I’ll check back. But congratulations on a couple of topics that have worked. When people write long and detailed answers, you are on to something.
@@
November 12th, 2009
2:03 pm
How so, Matilda?
Joey
November 12th, 2009
2:06 pm
I suggest that instead of writing that the “Army doesn’t care” you should write that the “Army can’t care.”
Jay
November 12th, 2009
2:07 pm
NIF, as I’ve written before, even most city council people and county commissioners don’t read the bills they’re passing. Nor do members of the Georgia Legislature. The state Senate has a rule that all bills have to be senators’ desks for at least an entire hour before a vote; the House doesn’t even require that.
The notion that congressmen actually read what they vote on … I understand its appeal, but in real life it does not happen.
Paul
November 12th, 2009
2:09 pm
In general, I agree. But there are periods of heightened sensitivity. Well do I remember some years back, perusing blogs in which people involved in basic military training told how sexual harassment charges became the charge of choice and how it affected behavior. (Example, one sergeant transferred because a recruit complained that as she was lagging behind formation he yelled at her to ‘move your ass and keep up. Just an anecdotal example, but representative of the times). The Army didn’t care if the recruit had to leave her new baby and deploy to Bosnia. But it was sure concerned she not feel uncomfortable while undergoing training.
So did the Army care all that much about the recruit? Nope. But was there a reigning in of speech and dire consequences for those not keeping up. Yup. Think Army professionals aren’t concerned about someone on their relative level, with whom they interact on a daily basis (as opposed to ‘the system’ assigning people according to the needs of the Army) with filing harassment, sexual or racial complaints against them? Do a Freedom of Information Request and take a look at the number of complaints filed. Then look at those judged ‘unsubstantiated.’ Then look at repercussions for the filer as opposed to the person cleared of the charge.
British press has, interestingly, been out on front on this issue. This, from the Daily Telegraph:
“Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America’s Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats….He also told colleagues at America’s top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.
Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe….
One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal …”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6526030/Fort-Hood-gunman-had-told-US-military-colleagues-that-infidels-should-have-their-throats-cut.html
Who knows, maybe that presentation was the research project the FBI cleared him of emailing AQ about.
Gale
November 12th, 2009
2:12 pm
“… As an institution, it is built to ignore the qualms, wants, needs and fears of those who come through its doors. The Army cares about the Army’s needs, not yours.”
So why do they care about gays and lesbians? If the Army is willing to ignore all the personal emotions of everyone else, why is this same reality not used in the case of gays?
Doggone/GA
November 12th, 2009
2:15 pm
“So why do they care about gays and lesbians?”
The argument has always been that gay men (in particular) would lower the morale of the other soldiers (men) and THAT is an “Army need.” I don’t say I support it, I’m just saying that’s the reason they give.
@@
November 12th, 2009
2:16 pm
Is it just me, or has the AJC’s server gone on the fritz?
Paul
November 12th, 2009
2:17 pm
Point of clarification: they weren’t blogs back then, in the sense we know them now. More of a topical site, articles of interest, with some space, sometimes, for comment. Lots of times it was reprints or retellings of contacts with those who ran the site. Colonel David Hackworth’s (USA, deceased) Soldiers for the Truth comes to mind.
He was a wonderful thorn in the side of the military establishment. Gained a lot of notoriety as the Army’s youngest-ever full colonel in Vietnam. “A reputation won on the battlefield made it impossible to dismiss him when he went on the attack later as a critic of careerism and incompetence in the military high command. In 1971, he appeared in the field on ABC’s “Issue and Answers” to say Vietnam “is a bad war … it can’t be won. We need to get out.” He also predicted that Saigon would fall to the North Vietnamese within four years, a prediction that turned out to be far more accurate than anything the Joint Chiefs of Staff were telling President Nixon or that the President was telling the American people.”
Taxpayer
November 12th, 2009
2:17 pm
The decision to marry a particular girl might have taken a bit more time.
Do you offer any proof to support that claim.
Doggone/GA
November 12th, 2009
2:18 pm
“Do you offer any proof to support that claim”
He said “might” – not “would”
Taxpayer
November 12th, 2009
2:23 pm
He said “might” – not “would”
Yes but given who we’re talking about here.
getalife
November 12th, 2009
2:26 pm
Another disgruntled employee shooting up the work place?
Another domestic terrorist, just a different religion?
Why did he do it?
Ask him.
Duh.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 12th, 2009
2:27 pm
Last night I heard an interesting interview on NPR….
Seems this was basically like social promotion in schools.
As early as 2007 he was being discussed as sliding into pychosis.
Since he was about to be transferred they thought let folks at the next posting deal with it.
His superiors knew this man was about to crack, but nobody wanted to deal with it.
Well, some folks are having to deal with it now.
NoWayOut
November 12th, 2009
2:28 pm
Why aren’t any of the right wing conservatives or republicans on this blog, talking about the soldiers caught in the last few months stealing military equipment? The latest incident happened in Tennessee. What are these non-muslim nuts doing with this stuff? Are we at war in this country and the rest of “us” are unaware? So far, most have been non-minorities.
Why is it that only muslims or people of color only looked at with suspicious eyes? Why is it when ex-military men, blow up government buildings in this country, they aren’t labled like the rest of us because of what they look like?
However, until the people who think political correctness is a ONE WAY STREET TO H”LL, start to acknowledge the speck of dust in their eye, i’ll continue to pray for them.
Taxpayer
November 12th, 2009
2:28 pm
In the corporate world, one practice was to promote the person that made some of the biggest mistakes in order to get rid of them and avoid being stuck with the blame if the mistakes ever came to light. It was akin to a game of hot potato.
Nothing Is Free
November 12th, 2009
2:31 pm
Jay
These are really important bills. Obama made promises of transparency. Those promises like so many others have been forgotten. So why was he elected if he isn’t going to do what he said he was? CHANGE was half his total platform and you are rationalizing that this is OK because it has always been done like this.
Like I said, take your time, but things are not getting any better. I am not concerned about his re-election. I’m concerned about the people who can’t find a job.
Taxpayer
Hey, Great cheap shot. Do you feel all better now?
Paul
November 12th, 2009
2:34 pm
Mrs. Godzilla
So far, I’m not buying the mental illness defense. Asserting this guy, a psychiatrist, surrounded by other psychiatrists and psychologists, at one of the premier medical centers in the country, could continue, day after day, month after month, year after year, to do his duties is a bit much.
Then again, we have people who assert anyone who murders must be crazy ’cause sane people don’t murder. I don’t buy that, either. Nor do I buy the ‘Post Traumatic Stress thru Osmosis’ some have put forward.
It will be interesting to see what develops. Will he be legally insane? Maybe. But I wonder how, not just the administration, but the media, will handle it if it comes out that not only was he insane, but he had adopted the ideology, beliefs and actions of a 21st century jihadist.
That, I think, is their worst political nightmare.
Joey
November 12th, 2009
2:35 pm
NoWayOut:
I suspect a real Right-Wing Conservatives might not consider me one of them, I don’t. But I but you would likely consider me qualified. So:
I insist that we capture and punish severly anyone, military or civilian, who steals military equipment.
Paul
November 12th, 2009
2:36 pm
Mrs. Godzilla,
Sorry, should read “But I wonder how, not just the administration, but the media, will handle it if it comes out that not only was he SANE, but he had…”
jewcowboy
November 12th, 2009
2:37 pm
@@,
“Is it just me, or has the AJC’s server gone on the fritz?”
I’ve been wondering that for the past several days.
jconservative
November 12th, 2009
2:38 pm
“The Army cares about the Army’s needs, not yours.”
Good point Jay. I am an Army veteran and I can testify to the Army way
of doing things. The Army does not recognize personal problems. Army personnel are trained to kill or assist those who do the killing. That’s all.
Doggone/GA – You are entirely correct re the gay issue.
md
November 12th, 2009
2:40 pm
Nowayout,
You actually comparing stealing to killing? Really?
I know many that steal to make a profit. Very rarely have I seen killing for profit.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 12th, 2009
2:44 pm
Paul
I can appreciate your take on this.
Does PTSD equal insane? Does pychosis equal insane?
Got my date wrong…..2008
here’s a link
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120313570
I think this was terrible, not terrorism.
md
November 12th, 2009
2:44 pm
This guy has 2 very damning statements going against him:
1 – “I’m a muslim first and an American second”
2 – “Allah Akbar” right before he started shooting.
Pretty clear road for circunstancial evidence toward jihadism.
jewcowboy
November 12th, 2009
2:46 pm
md,
“Very rarely have I seen killing for profit.”
May I introduce you to company known as Xe Services, or formerly known as Blackwater Worldwide.
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 12th, 2009
2:48 pm
“The Army cares about the Army’s needs, not yours.”
That because they are military services.
I guess, however, if everyone whines and wants potted meat sandwiches as a nighttime snack the army should bend its rules.
If male and females want to fraternize then the army should toss out the rule book.
Ya…let the inmates runs the asylum why not..its the army…LOL.
This political correctness BS is gonna get people killed. Oh wait…it already has.
PS…if you are a whiner, spoiled brat, crybaby, doo-gooder, johnny milktoast, double talker, complainer, then perhaps the army isnt the place for you!
@@
November 12th, 2009
2:49 pm
Paul:
That, I think, is their worst political nightmare.
You bet it is, Paul. I suspect the reason for all the words of caution coming from the left wing of the WH is because, if it turns out to be true…that Malik Nidal Hasan became radicalized by a muslim ideology, then it will be the first successful terrorist attack on American soil since Sept. 11, 2001. The one that everyone was anticipating should we become complacent.
Politics first.
Paul
November 12th, 2009
2:51 pm
Mrs. Godzilla
I really enjoy NPR. Lots of thoughtful discussion.
The point’s been made – terrorism has a lot of definitions. Even the US Code has it. But it’s amazing how people will label an abortion doctor killing or a security guard killing an act of terrorism, but take a guy who’s Muslim, who’s contacted AQ, who follows past jihadist attempts to attack the homeland by targeting military installations, who shouts one of the traditional expressions as he’s killing infidels, and suddenly, the lips are sealed. He’s just a nut. Or a criminal. The actions are murder, not terrorism. It’s a tragedy, not a calculated act.
But as I said, the political ramifications of identifying this as a terrorist attack by a jihadist wearing a US military uniform are pretty grave. The self-serving grandstanding and finger pointing would be… what’s a better word than sickening?
@@
November 12th, 2009
2:52 pm
Oh crap! That should have been
Malik Nidal Hasan.There was nothing bold or strong, as the case may be
about him.
Purged from humanity!
Doggone/GA
November 12th, 2009
2:53 pm
“then it will be the first successful terrorist attack on American soil since Sept. 11″
Are we to take it, then, that you don’t consider the anthrax poisonings to be terrorist attacks?
Paul
November 12th, 2009
2:55 pm
I wrote sometime back such an attack as inevitable and it did not really matter which party was in power. One would slip through the cracks.
But I also said the rule of thumb would kick in: If it happens on your watch, you get the credit, or the blame.
Jimmy Carter
November 12th, 2009
2:56 pm
Two words describe the mess:
Radical Muslim
mm
November 12th, 2009
2:57 pm
Jay,
Just another story distorted by the wingnut controlled media.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 12th, 2009
2:57 pm
Paul
You’re right – the definition of terrorism has sadly become somewhat fluid…..
Curious Observer
November 12th, 2009
2:57 pm
Transferring and/or promoting military personnel to get rid of a performance problem is almost as old as the military itself. I saw it back in my days of service. A PFC who was always mucking things up would get orders to join another unit. Next time you saw him, he was an NCO, a full corporal. There’s nothing unusual about Hasan’s getting transferred to Fort Hood and then getting promoted to major. And let’s keep in mind that where military officers are concerned, it’s either up or out. If you’re passed over on your third attempt, you’re out–and the army definitely didn’t want to lose any men.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 12th, 2009
2:57 pm
It’s almost as though Obozo hasn’t threatened to prosecute those who “mistreat” Muslims or the left doesn’t absolutely hate the Armed Forces of the United States. Oh wait, here’s bookman blaming the army for this, like there is no jihad, he really does hate them.
Jimmy Carter
November 12th, 2009
2:57 pm
Two words describe the mess:
Political correctness
Brad Steel
November 12th, 2009
2:58 pm
Oversensitive Army
Uh yeah, the Army – They can’t handle the truth!!! – Col. Nathan R. Jessep, <i) A Few Good Men
Oversensitive army? Phu-leez, the notion is innate. Expect a little better from Bloomberg.