The making of a veteran, documented photographically

A friend of mine was recently recounting his enlistment as a Marine back in the early ’60s, and his subsequent assignment to South Vietnam. His tour came back in the early days, before most people had ever heard of the place.

Why did you enlist, I asked him.

“Well, I had always wanted to be an ex-Marine,” he said, “and as far as I could figure, there was only one way to do that….”

To mark Veterans Day, here’s a damn fine photo essay by the Denver Post, documenting the transformation of a gawky local kid fresh out of high school into an Iraq war veteran who comes home confident enough to step into early adulthood. It’s a beautiful, largely unvarnished peek into a journey that tens of thousands of young Americans take every year.

114 comments Add your comment

Paul

November 11th, 2009
8:17 am

Thanks, Jay. And thanks for the link.

I don’t put the flag out often. Today’s one of those days.

Later -

I Report (-: You Whine )-: AmWet Is A Coward mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 11th, 2009
8:18 am

Duty, Honor, Country, dude.

TnGelding

November 11th, 2009
8:21 am

Children playing war. Let’s raise the enlistment age to 21.

I salute all veterans on this day and apologize for the grandstanding politicians you will have to endure.

Turd Ferguson

November 11th, 2009
8:24 am

Im sure our Campaigner in Chief will be standing up running his big yap about things of which he knows nothing.

TnGelding

November 11th, 2009
8:25 am

I Report (-: You Whine )-: AmWet Is A Coward mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 11th, 2009
8:18 am

Great motto, but how many can actually live up to it?

There are deadbeat vets, just like every other category. Many feel they were used and discarded by an ungrateful country.

TnGelding

November 11th, 2009
8:26 am

Turd Ferguson

November 11th, 2009
8:24 am

And I’m sure an expert like you will be glad to fill him in, or hold your own ignorant tongue.

Doggone/GA

November 11th, 2009
8:27 am

“Great motto”

I’m not so sure about that. I’ve always thought it odd that Duty was put before Honor. What good is it to do your “duty” if it is a dishonorable act?

Yo'momma Obama

November 11th, 2009
8:27 am

Damned straight. Now remember all you liberal surrender monkeys when PFC Ian is out there protecting your right to eat granola and sip lattes, ungrateful traitors. And tell your Muslim President Hussein Obama to grow a pair!

Now go shoot some ragheads Private!!!!

Doggone/GA

November 11th, 2009
8:29 am

“Now remember all you liberal surrender monkeys when PFC Ian is out there protecting your right to eat granola and sip lattes, ungrateful traitors.”

Congratulations on joining our armed forces. When do you start training?

stands for decibels

November 11th, 2009
8:29 am

Andy, maybe just for one day, you could stop with the petty stupidity in your screen name?

You know, maybe have just a little teensy bit of class for a change?

That asking too much?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 11th, 2009
8:29 am

Well, I went in the army because I finished my senior year of school, the 5th grade and I got drafted. Besides, the classroom desks were getting to be a little tiny after I reached 16.

Anyhow, I’m all for bringing back the draft. I recall how it use to be. The county big shots that set on the draft board kept their eye out for any kid that was out of school. They sort of liked drafting some kid they didn’t like. I remember when they got old Elvis and alot of people just loved it that they got this long-hair.

Back in those days, you didn’t have a lottery. Every boy had to serve, unless they failed the physical exam. Or unless their parents were rich enough to send them to colledge. It didn’t matter if they didn’t need that many people in the army. They drafted them anyway. So you got alot of poor kids showing up in boot camp. Can’t recall any rich ones. The draft was a kind of revenge the rich people in the county took on the poor people they didn’t like much anyway.

Anyhow, a few years in the military would do librul hippies like getalife a world of good. I’m proud I served. Not that I had a choice.

Have a good Veterans Day everybody.

pat

November 11th, 2009
8:32 am

Very well done photo essay! My deepest heart felt thanks to those who served and are serving. God bless you all!

Paul

November 11th, 2009
8:32 am

G’morning, Doggone/GA

“Duty Honor Country”

I don’t think the order of the words is in order of precedence.

I may be incorrect -

TnGelding

November 11th, 2009
8:35 am

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

November 11th, 2009
8:29 am

The draft was a way out of povery for many. It provided us with an education and a vocation.

I salute your service. Have a great day!

Doggone/GA

November 11th, 2009
8:35 am

“I don’t think the order of the words is in order of precedence”

No, I don’t know either…and the speech doesn’t really help indicate, but if you’d like to judge for yourself…it’s posted here:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/douglasmacarthurthayeraward.html

Angry Black Man

November 11th, 2009
8:36 am

Thanks for that link, Jay.

Soldiers just passed thru coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan. Be back later. time for lunch.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: AmWet Is A Coward mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 11th, 2009
8:36 am

sfd- I’m sick and tired of people threatening my family over some stupid blog, ok? That should not be too hard to understand.

Doggone/GA

November 11th, 2009
8:38 am

“I’m sick and tired of people threatening my family over some stupid blog, ok?”

but you still won’t post the actual threat

Taxpayer

November 11th, 2009
8:39 am

Many feel they were used and discarded by an ungrateful country.

So true, TnGelding.

Paul

November 11th, 2009
8:40 am

DoggoneGA

Duty Honor Country

Thanks. It could be going from least to most, or mean nothing other than he liked the cadence of the words in that particular order.

But overall, taken together, it’s what sets vets apart from so many others.

There’s a lot embodied in those three words.

Taxpayer

November 11th, 2009
8:40 am

The boogeyman has got a stranglehold on whiner.

Paul

November 11th, 2009
8:41 am

8:40

I thought Marsh left?!!?

Mrs. Godzilla

November 11th, 2009
8:42 am

For my Mr. G (1st Air Cav) and my Dad (Army Air Corp Black Panther Squadron) and all vets everywhere:

Thank you for keeping me safe and may God bless you.

Taxpayer

November 11th, 2009
8:45 am

Yo momma,

this one’s for you:

Alexios Marakis, a Greek Orthodox priest visiting the U.S., got lost in Tampa and tried to stop and ask directions from Marine reservist Jasen D. Bruce. But instead of offering help, “Bruce struck the priest on the head with a tire iron.” The reservist believed Marakis, who spoke limited English, was an Arab terrorist. Bruce chased the priest for three blocks, “and even called 911 to say that an Arabic man tried to rob him.”

Road Scholar

November 11th, 2009
8:45 am

Honor….Now if bloggers who define themselves as vets and/or patriotic or as just plain citizens could live the true meaning of the word and not insult others about their views. To all the vets, past, present, and those in the future, thank you for your service.

Common Sense

November 11th, 2009
8:50 am

“While we are certain there are no good wars, we are not so naive as to believe that there are no necessary wars. The brutal reality of war for the great majority of Americans is abstract, almost theoretical.”

Lt. Gen. Harold Moore (We Were Soldiers Once and Young)
Spoken to the cadets at West Point (2005) in his farewell address

“Dulce Bellum Inexpertis”

Normal

November 11th, 2009
8:52 am

The Pictures of them getting married reminded me of my time. Back in the day, you had to ask permission of the Captain of your ship/unit to get married. It meant filling out a Permission Chit and sending it up the chain of command. My Chief signed it disapproved and the written explaination was…”If the Navy wanted him to have a wife, they would have issued him one”…

Taxpayer

November 11th, 2009
8:53 am

Oops! It looks like poor Hannity has got caught, yet again, in another of his great lies. The poor fella. The things he’s willing to do just defy honor, integrity, courage… .

Normal

November 11th, 2009
8:54 am

Whiner, I’ll ask you again…show me that threat, or apologize.

Jay

November 11th, 2009
8:56 am

Some days this is like running a kindergarten class.

Yo Momma Obama is gone.

Reporter, threats to other bloggers and especially their families will not be tolerated. But I’ve gone over a week’s posts from AmVet and find nothing that could in any way be construed as a threat to anybody. If you have evidence to the contrary, provide it. If you can’t, duty and honor would require you to apologize, but I won’t make that a requirement myself. Let’s see if you act like you talk.
In the meantime, take AmVet’s name out of your nom de blogue. Toe-Tapper, do the same; you’ve been warned before.

Turd, change your name as well. It’s had its run. Discuss the topics of the day, not each other.

stands for decibels

November 11th, 2009
8:56 am

Lest I forget–thanks, Jay, for that damn fine Denver Post photo essay link. They do grow up so fast.

=======================

I’m sick and tired of people threatening my family over some stupid blog, ok? That should not be too hard to understand.

Hey, it’s just a stupid blog and all that, but… “people?” plural? You’re implying that both AmVet and Marsh threatened your family. Really?

Normal

November 11th, 2009
8:57 am

Jay, Thank you, Sir.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: AmWet Is A Coward mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 11th, 2009
9:02 am

GEORGE CONSERVATIVE

November 11th, 2009
9:03 am

AMERICA NEEDS ANOTHER VETERAN FOR COMMANDER-AND-CHEF.

TOO BAD KENYA DOESN’T HAVE A MARINE CORPS!!!

Jay

November 11th, 2009
9:04 am

That is correct, Reporter, although I don’t have immediate access to it at the moment.

getalife

November 11th, 2009
9:05 am

Jay is proof the adults are in charge.

At the WH too and Obama said it best yesterday at Fort Hood that I will post again for Veterens Day:

“This generation of soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and Coast Guardsmen have volunteered in a time of certain danger. They are part of the finest fighting force that the world has ever known. They have served tour after tour of duty in distant, different and difficult places. They have stood watch in blinding deserts and on snowy mountains. They have extended the opportunity of self-government to peoples that have suffered tyranny and war. They are man and woman; white, black, and brown; of all faiths and stations – all Americans, serving together to protect our people, while giving others half a world away the chance to lead a better life.”

The new greatest generation.

deegee

November 11th, 2009
9:05 am

My brother is on a business trip in Ho Chi Minh City right now. Who knew 35 years and 58,000 U.S. soldiers ago that fighting a war of containment in Vietnam wouldn’t turn out well for us? Let’s not do that again. God bless the men and women that fight the wars. God help the men and women that start them.

Doggone/GA

November 11th, 2009
9:05 am

“Jay, Thank you, Sir”

Agreed

Jay

November 11th, 2009
9:05 am

And please remove reference to Amvet in your name.

Angry Black Man

November 11th, 2009
9:06 am

Enter your comments here

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 11th, 2009
9:06 am

No problem, I will refrain.

But I hope not to see it again.

Angry Black Man

November 11th, 2009
9:06 am

Jay @ 8:56

Thank you very much.

Joan

November 11th, 2009
9:08 am

God bless the United States, and give the people in it today, the strength of character, resolve and common sense that the Greatest generation had in abundance.

Common Sense

November 11th, 2009
9:10 am

“The rifleman fights without promise of either reward or relief. Behind every river there’s another hill, and behind that hill, another river. After weeks or months on the line only a wound can offer him the comfort of safety, shelter, and a bed. Those who are left to fight, fight on, evading death but knowing that with each day of evasion they have exhausted one more chance for survival. Sooner or later, unless victory comes, this chase must end on the litter or in the grave.”

General of the Army
Omar N. Bradley

“Salus populi suprema lex”

Kamchak

November 11th, 2009
9:12 am

Jay

This is your space and you make the calls. What Marsh did last pm you judged as over the line. If that is true then this sample of attacks that happened in only one day meets the same criteria.

Common Sense

November 11th, 2009
9:12 am

To deegee:

Once a Warrior King by David Donovan:

“If there was immorality in the war in Vietnam, it was that a democratic nation called her citizens to war, had them killed by the tens of thousands, and then, like a faithless lover, turned and scorned the survivors. Oh, perfidious nation!”

Normal

November 11th, 2009
9:15 am

Whiner, all you had to do was show me the post and if it was what you said, I would have apologized to you. I’m not afraid to admit to a mistake.

FrankLeeDarling

November 11th, 2009
9:16 am

Amazing photos,A much need reminder of just how young those we choose to send out to fight in our name really are.

and a hearty thanks to all who serve.

Gale

November 11th, 2009
9:16 am

Thanks for the link, Jay. I sent it to my stepson who enlisted at 19. It was an interesting glimpse of his experience. He is now 45 and I still think he regrets that no one shot at him during his enlistment. I think he feels cheated of that badge of courage. Just a mom’s, and a “liberal’s” POV. Maybe he’ll open up some day and tell me.

stands for decibels

November 11th, 2009
9:16 am

A deep(ish) thought.

ABM, you wrote downstairs that you completely mistrust written history.

Not to pick on you, it’s just a thought, intended to spark some reflection: For the record, that seems a tad extreme, if for no reason other than it effectively shuts out endeavoring to understand life prior to our own collective living memory.

Not sure how to tie this in to honoring our vets today, but somehow it seems we must. We don’t have anyone alive to tell us how this or that Civil War general’s decisions affected life among the common foot soldier; it would be terrible to cast aside, I think, efforts by historians to revisit the source material –the reports, correspondence, etc.–and try to make sense of it based on what we know today.

AmVet

November 11th, 2009
9:16 am

GREAT story and photos, Jay. Thanks for sharing them.

Lots of memories of being very young and away from home in an unsettling time. Good times, bad times. With lots of boredom thrown in. (And trying desperately to stay out of trouble. /grin/)

At least the guys now aren’t looked down upon or just ignored. Quite the opposite. (Excluding the swift boaters of course)

And for that change, I’m glad.

A great definition for today:

A veteran — whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve — is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to “The United States of America” for the amount of “up to and including my life.”

That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

Normal, he’s off his meds…

Doggone/GA

November 11th, 2009
9:18 am

“Oh, perfidious nation!”

I’ve seen that quote before. I didn’t, and don’t agree with it. In the end, the problem was – and remains – that “the nation” came to feel that it wasn’t they who called the “citizens to war”, but the politicians who did that. Politicians who lied about the war, about the goals, and about the conduct of the conflict.

Yes, too many times that anger was taken out on the soldiers…but they made easier targets, because they were identifiable. It wasn’t as easy to “get at” the politicians. But they got the message in the end, didn’t they?

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 11th, 2009
9:19 am

Happy Veterans Day!!

RW-(the original)

November 11th, 2009
9:20 am

Someone is being awfully unfair to millions of kindergartners…..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Great photo essay Jay B. I saw the very same transformation in my nephew back in 2003 and 2004, completed when he returned from Iraq.

Happy Veterans Day to all who served. The vast majority of you never mention it and for that selflessness you deserve this day of recognition more than I can express. Thank you.

Normal

November 11th, 2009
9:21 am

Common Sense

November 11th, 2009
9:12 am

Oh Hades, CS those of us that did that scene remember it as we should.
the Country, for the most part has seen their error in our treatment. Even Country Joe apologized for his song (truth be told, I liked it).

It’s the Government that doesn’t remember, and that’s because they don’t understand what they are doing. If you haven’t been there you just can’t know, period. As a veteran, I write daily to the White House and Democratic Party to bring our troops home. It’s time.

Also today I am seeing faces I once knew and still feel for them.

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 11th, 2009
9:24 am

Obamas speeches mean nothing because he really doesnt care about Veterans day. Just another photo-op for he and his big head. Our Campaigner in Chief so enjoys strutting around like some prized turkey and after all is over the has only said “Hhhhrrummmph”.

No more no less.

Angry Black Man

November 11th, 2009
9:24 am

sfd

I guess mistrust would be a harsh word to use. I don’t take written history as it is taught in school as the absolute truth. I’ve come across many instances in individual reading that contradicts what’s in most history books. I can’t talk to anyone who was a first hand witness of the Civil War, but there are places where you can read the writings of soldiers and others during that time.

Take the Vietnam War, for instance. There’s not very much in the history books about the conflict other than the fall of Saigon and the DMZ. I had an uncle who was a Marine and served there. I don’t know when or with what unit because he didn’t talk about it. What I did hear, however, was how he had changed and how the rest of the family had to change their habits and actions around him right after he got back home.

I’ve talked to people who marched on Washington and from Selma to Montgomery in the 60’s. To hear their accounts gives you far more insight and appreciation for what they indured and the risks they took. You don’t get that in the history books.

If I read something in the history books that catches my attention, I dig a little deeper to see all I can find out about the event.

Taxpayer

November 11th, 2009
9:24 am

Do those that volunteer to serve their country as elected officials lose their healthcare once they leave office (assuming they do not qualify for Medicare/Medicaid)?

According to a study released by the Harvard Medical School, 2,266 veterans under the age of 65 died last year as a result of not having health insurance. Researchers emphasize that “that figure is more than 14 times the number of deaths (155) suffered by U.S. troops in Afghanistan in 2008, and more than twice as many as have died (911 as of Oct. 31) since the war began in 2001.”

The 1.46 million working-age veterans that did not have health insurance last year all experienced reduced access to care as a consequence, leading to “six preventable deaths a day.”

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 11th, 2009
9:27 am

On Veterans day…DJ Futures up 49 points!!!

The DJ/Naz Casino is about to open eh?!! Was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor? Lettuce all make some nice profits today! AAAYYYEEEEEE!!!!

jconservative

November 11th, 2009
9:27 am

Nice “column”. Brings back a lot of memories. I reported to the Induction Station in Atlanta and we were bused to Ft Benning, arriving after 9:00 PM. Fed & put to bed. I did basic at Ft Benning. January 1968. A lot of memories.

To all my fellow veterans – my thanks also.

Gale

November 11th, 2009
9:27 am

Taxpayer, I thought all vets could get care at VA hospitals? Is the problem ability to get there? I’ve heard of some places where there are volunteer drivers for vets.

Normal

November 11th, 2009
9:31 am

jconservative

November 11th, 2009
9:27 am

Welcome Home!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 11th, 2009
9:33 am

abnormal- I owe you nothing.

Run along.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 11th, 2009
9:34 am

Taxpayer, Gale

My Mr. G, recently retired…..VA is not open to him YET….he still makes too much $$$$.

I don’t understand it….

mike

November 11th, 2009
9:35 am

Great stuff. Thanks, Jay.

Common Sense

November 11th, 2009
9:36 am

To Normal and Doggone/GA:

“To those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.” Author Unknown

I repeat …………… “Oh, perfidious nation”.

Common Sense
India Company, 3rd Battalion, 4th Marines
Vietnam – DMZ (1967-68)

N-GA

November 11th, 2009
9:36 am

About 8 years ago my father was visiting here and Tuscaloosa (Alabama) was mentioned in the news. He remarked that he had crash-landed there in 1942 on a training mission. I contacted the local newspaper there and they directed me to a local historian.

All that to say we went to Tuscaloosa and met some of the locals there. We visited the crash site and they surprised us by introducing a woman who, as a teenager, had been the first to arrive at the crash. Her eyes really twinkled as she spoke with dad. The paper did a front page story with pictures of the crash as well as current photos.

My father went on to fly 50 combat missions in Europe (P-47’s & P-51’s). He retired from active duty in 1965, and I lost him only last year. I really miss him.

david wayne osedach

November 11th, 2009
9:37 am

There are better ways to grow into adulthood than to lose one’s life in an unpopular war.

Normal

November 11th, 2009
9:37 am

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 11th, 2009
9:27 am

like the new name…classy!

ken

November 11th, 2009
9:38 am

I enlisted in the Army in 1968. Looking back, it was one of the best moves of my life. I was in with many draftees, and I am sure that they look back at their Army life and say the same.
Fly the Flag every day.

Normal

November 11th, 2009
9:39 am

You’ll see the light one day, Whiner. You are just in denial…and you owe me nothing, is correct. You owe AmVet an apology.

jconservative

November 11th, 2009
9:41 am

Taxpayer at 9:24. & Gale at 9:24

Yeah, all vets do qualify for care at VA hospitals. But remember a lot of them have a hard time mentally & physically getting there. VA hospitals are not necessarily convenient. My neighbor, Viet Nam combat vet, goes to the VA hospital in Decatur, 66 miles away. This is the nearest VA facility to him.

I would like to see the VA hospitals done away with & replaced with a
100% paid Medicare card. Then my neighbor can see the doctor 18 miles away.

Doggone/GA

November 11th, 2009
9:42 am

Doggone/GA

November 11th, 2009
9:43 am

“There are better ways to grow into adulthood than to lose one’s life in an unpopular war.”

Or even worse…an unnecessary one

stands for decibels

November 11th, 2009
9:43 am

ABM @ 9.24, thanks for that; it’s more or less my take on written history as well.

Ever read/heard of Lies My Teacher Told Me?

A seminal work; while it’s a bit dated now it’s still worth a look. Certainly it changed how I see history, specifically, and school curricula in general.

Just to take one example–the author digs into how not only actual instances of institutional racism are soft-pedaled or ignored altogether, America’s history of anti-racism is also given short shrift by history texts. Essentially, we tend to smooth out the rough edges and eliminate anything we think will be too unpleasant or disturbing to consider.

And I am already seeing it in the history/social studies my own child is being taught in elementary school. Not saying it’s easy to provide the right balance, but it still annoys me, and I suspect as the kid gets older it’ll enrage me.

(hopefully not to the point of becoming AWM.)

Later kids. To quote Lou Reed, from his first solo lp:

Don’t forget
Hire the vet
He hasn’t had that much fun yet

AmVet

November 11th, 2009
9:45 am

N-GA, sorry for your loss, but it sounds like you were real lucky to have had him for a dad.

Common sense and jconservative, your contributions to the nation and to this forum are appreciated. Thank you.

Gale and others,

http://www4.va.gov/healtheligibility/costs/

Normal

November 11th, 2009
9:45 am

ken

November 11th, 2009
9:38 am

Ken, that was another one of my many memories. In ‘66 I was standing in the Induction Center waiting with the other Navy Volunteers when a whole slew of Draftee’s were marched in. The Officer in Charge had them count off one, two, one, two down the line and when they finished, he said, “all two’s, one step forward. After they took their step, he said, “Congratulations, gentlemen, you are now members of the United States Marine Corp”. You never saw so many pale faces in your life!

mike

November 11th, 2009
9:45 am

“There are better ways to grow into adulthood than to lose one’s life in an unpopular war.”

Can’t you take a break from sneering at the military for just one day?

Taxpayer

November 11th, 2009
9:47 am

Gale,

Here’s the article. I don’t know why everyone cannot get the most basic of care in such a so-called ‘caring’ nation. It’s certainly not like we do not have a large enough budget to cover the things that a ‘caring’ nation might be expected to cover. After all, we manage to scrape together 700 billion dollars annually for the DoD and there is not enough in that to even cover the healthcare for all of our veterans. There are just so many things wrong with this country that some proclaim to be so right. So, how ’bout we do something more than set aside a special day to provide lip service. How ’bout we take care of our own the whole damn year, year after year.

Y’all have a good day.

Doggone/GA

November 11th, 2009
9:48 am

“Can’t you take a break from sneering at the military for just one day?”

That isn’t sneering at the military. The military doesn’t start wars…the politicians do.

mike

November 11th, 2009
9:50 am

Doggone –

“The military doesn’t start wars…the politicians do.”

And what does that have to do with anything that I said?

Doggone/GA

November 11th, 2009
9:53 am

“And what does that have to do with anything that I said?”

Please…give us a break. You’re not that dense. You accused dwo of “sneering” at the military. He did no such thing.

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 11th, 2009
9:59 am

Normal

November 11th, 2009
9:37 am

; )

Thanks…just wanted it to be original and something everyone could enjoy! Happy VD!! I mean Veterans Day D; p

ken

November 11th, 2009
9:59 am

NORMAL, funny, same thing at my induction center. I will never forget the looks on the draftees faces when they were told ” YOUR A MARINE” .
That was March 15, 1968. “IDES OF MARCH”

Hef

November 11th, 2009
10:00 am

To all the BRAVE MEN & WOMEN who serve & protect the GREATEST COUNTRY on Earth-THANKYOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And to Jay & the AJC even you can do something good now & again-Thankyou.

Bosch

November 11th, 2009
10:00 am

To my dad and all vets –

Happy Veterans Day! Thanks for what you do.

Jay, nice photos – thanks for sharing.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

RW,

Sorry ’bout your rabbit. That bites.

Curious Observer

November 11th, 2009
10:02 am

I’ve never even tried to get medical care at a VA center, primarily because I’m covered by employer-furnished health insurance. But I was also under the impression that only certain categories of honorably discharged veterans are eligible for VA care. Am I wrong?

Mrs. Godzilla

November 11th, 2009
10:03 am

DoggoneGA

Thanks for the link.

Looks Like I’ll have to keep my day job…..

getalife

November 11th, 2009
10:06 am

Miss mine too N-GA.

Here he is and his Dad before he deployed.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UQPUzwdX51o/SvrRc2MXOtI/AAAAAAAAAOk/V4Njr1qasiA/s1600-h/Dad.jpg

He was wounded at the Battle of the Bulge serving under Patton’s command.

Said the snow was red that day and told great Patton stories.

Normal

November 11th, 2009
10:06 am

Seems Jay has put out an attempt to gather us together upstairs. Too much devisiveness down here :D

Call it like it is.

November 11th, 2009
10:09 am

Wow, Jay sometimes you make it hard not to like you. Great piece. No matter what side you stand on, alway be proud that your an American and remember those who gave you that right to express your opinions. This is the greatest country the world has ever seen. Lets all pray it prevails all storms and stays strong.

Enjoy your day and make sure you shake the hand of a vet. Better yet buy them lunch.

RW-(the original)

November 11th, 2009
10:13 am

Thanks Bosch.

AmVet

November 11th, 2009
10:15 am

This day more than any other represents the great divide between those that understand and live sacrifice and a code of honor and those here who only talk about it.

Callously, they use empty phrases like Support the Troops as nothing more than a tool for their deadly and failed ideology. And as an excuse to do nothing of the sort.

Look closely at the stories told here today, and the notable absences thereof.

They attest vividly to those, whose jealously and anger allow them to denigrate veterans because of their ideas, beliefs and views while at the same time offering up faux thanks.

The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave…

Bosch

November 11th, 2009
10:16 am

RW,

Sending good thoughts…………

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 11th, 2009
10:18 am

sfd & ABM

Not to intrude on your discussion but I’ll tell you how I research a topic. I suspect y’all probably do something similar. I read the best current stuff on whatever topic I’m interested in, then I search the bibliography for their source material. From there I just keep working my way back as far as I can. A lot of the source books are no longer available but you’d be surprised what you can find. I once ordered an out of print, used book from 1944, just because I wanted to read the book. A new copy, which was unavailable, was listed at $125. Imagine my surprise when the used copy I paid $44 for arrived and turned out to be a signed first edition. I didn’t really care because I just wanted to read the book but it was a nice bonus.

On the Civil War there is a lot of source stuff available. A lot of the Generals on both sides carried on a running feud in newspapers for over 20 years after the war. They’d write articles back and forth blaming each other for this or that loss or taking credit for some victory. Most of them would shade the truth to make themselves look good but at least they were there.

Also on the Civil War, I of course never knew anyone who was there but my grandparents were the grandchildren of those who were. They told me a lot of stuff that their grandparents told them. Some things you just can find in the history books.

I think that’s one thing we’ve lost over time. So many families are so spread out now that children never really get to know their grandparents or great-grandparents. They miss out on so much by not hearing the oral history passed along.

On Veterans Day:

Whether the veterans are Democrat/Republican/Independent, Liberal/Centrist/Conservative/Apolitical, or whatever, we owe them all a great debt.

Bruno

November 11th, 2009
10:18 am

“I don’t know why everyone cannot get the most basic of care in such a so-called ‘caring’ nation. It’s certainly not like we do not have a large enough budget to cover the things that a ‘caring’ nation might be expected to cover.”

Nice try at using veterans as a political football, Taxpayer. If you had bothered to read the article a little further, you would find that your “study” it’s bunk. From your own link:

“Using their recently published findings in the American Journal of Public Health that show being uninsured raises an individual’s odds of dying by 40 percent (causing 44,798 deaths in the United States annually among those aged 17 to 64), they arrived at their estimate of 2,266 preventable deaths of non-elderly veterans in 2008. (See table.)”

If you want to play the “statistics game”, you had better include the number of people killed each year in the US as a result of medical errors:

“Barbara Starfield’s article in JAMA places the estimates even higher, citing a total of 225,000 deaths due to iatrogenic causes, which would place health-caused deaths as the 3rd leading cause of death in the USA. Holland et al”

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/mistakes/common.htm

Based on these estimates (44,000 die due to lack of medical care, 225,000 die as a result of medical mistakes) it would seem to me that you are 5 times safer NOT using medical care.

mm

November 11th, 2009
10:19 am

I THINK A YEAR OF DEMOCRAT CONTROL HAS GOTTEN TO WHINER.

HEHEHE

@@

November 11th, 2009
10:21 am

Great pictorial, jay!!! From boy to man.

I LUV listening to my husband talk about his time in the service. “Mom….feel free to send home-baked cookies, but spare me the letters about how much you miss me.”

He had a high-school sweetheart when he went in too. I think they were planning on getting married. Small town…friends write about what’s goin’ on in town — BAM!!! she gets a “Dear Jane” letter from him. Of course, the fact that her Dad had previously ran him outta town at gunpoint didn’t help matters much. Her music (cello) was more important than MY GUY!!!

I came later. I’m still here. She’s been married three separate times. No great career in music as was anticipated.

I WIN!!!!!

Those pictures of Ian with his Dad were great. I couldn’t help but reflect on all the libs “trailer trash” comments. Men in tats…low grade point averages. Not up to the standards of liberals but bearing “The Standard” for America.

Libs don’t want ‘em? I’ll proudly accept ‘em just as they are.

Happy Veterans Day! Men outstanding in the field. You WERE and ARE the Best of America!

Bruno

November 11th, 2009
10:22 am

“Like other uninsured Americans, most uninsured vets are working people – too poor to afford private coverage but not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid or means-tested VA care,”

In other words, to get people “covered”, all that is required is to raise the income cap for eligibility under either Medicaid or VA care. So why isn’t this simple solution even being discussed????

Angry Black Man

November 11th, 2009
10:23 am

sfd

I’ll have to check that out. If you become AWM, we could become a tag team :)

N-GA

Sorry for your loss. I’ve known a few P-51 pilots, and they were all great men.

jcon

Not a bad idea for vets. I’d agree to that. Hell, I’d pay more in taxes if I knew it was going to be used solely for veteran’s medical care.