The lessons of the Berlin Wall, 20 years later
In 1989, East German soldiers peer into forbidden West Berlin as crowds pull down a section of the wall dividing the city. (AP file photo)
Twenty years ago this week the Berlin Wall was breached, an event now recognized as the end of our four-decade Cold War against Soviet communism.
To say the end came unexpectedly is an understatement. In fact, it took the world a few days and even weeks to fully comprehend what had happened in Berlin, because it was such an odd way for a war to resolve itself.
No peace pact was signed; no surrender was announced and no capital city was captured. The shooting did not end because there had been very little shooting in the first place. Force of arms, which settled most wars through history, played a minimal role in deciding this one.
Instead, we won that war through the force of our ideas: In our advocacy of personal and economic liberty, we were right and they were wrong, and with each passing year of the Cold War that fact became more and more apparent. Communist ideology, rigid and repressive, could not adjust gradually to changing times so it was doomed to adjust all at once, by collapsing.
We just didn’t know when.
President Ronald Reagan, in a speech to the British House of Commons in 1982, laid out what would happen pretty well.
“Our military strength is a prerequisite to peace, but let it be clear we maintain this strength in the hope it will never be used. For the ultimate determinant in the struggle that’s now going on in the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas, a trial of spiritual resolve, the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish, the ideals to which we are dedicated.”
That was exactly right. Military power was essential, but mainly because it deterred attack and gave us time. Given time, the inherent advantages of the West would and did produce victory.
Today, we are engaged in another sort of war, a lengthy war in which once again, force of arms will not be decisive. Military power is necessary in preventing attack, but even our generals tell us it cannot produce victory. Once again, that will come through the appeal of our ideals and the clear moral bankruptcy of our opponents.
It’s important to understand the nature of this current conflict, and to recognize the causes of success when we stumble upon it, so it can be repeated.
Early in the occupation of Iraq, for example, Sunni Arabs embraced the help of al-Qaida terrorists in fighting the American invader. But that began to change once the Iraqis experienced the brutality and repression inherent in Islamic fanaticism. Beheadings, random violence and the imposition of sharia law did what thousands of U.S. troops could not; they changed Iraqi hearts and minds, which changed everything.
That same dynamic is playing out in Pakistan. Videos of the Taliban whipping innocent women and horror at heartless terrorist attacks on marketplaces and other civilian sites have done what we could not. They convinced Pakistanis to oppose Islamic extremists.
And in Iran, three decades of life under an Islamic theocracy — and three decades of watching the world pass them by — have convinced millions to demand freedom and a better way of life.
George Kennan
In each of those cases, the Iranians, Iraqis and Pakistanis are not rejecting Islam itself. They don’t need to reject the religion to reject the fanatics who claim to fight in its name, and that’s an important lesson.
Admittedly, such a strategy requires a lot of faith and patience, especially when military power offers a tempting shortcut. George Kennan, one of the chief architects of our Cold War strategy, described it as “placing our confidence in the longer and deeper workings of history.”
“We must have courage and self-confidence to cling to our own methods and conceptions of human society,” Kennan wrote in 1946. “After all, the greatest danger that can befall us … is that we shall allow ourselves to become like those with whom we are coping.”
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Turd Ferguson
November 10th, 2009
11:55 am
Thank you George W Bush for keeping us safe. We forgive you Bill Clinton for allowing 911 to take place.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( AmWet Is A Coward mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 10th, 2009
11:57 am
Yeah but Reagan never apologized for America to the Communists.
stands for decibels
November 10th, 2009
11:58 am
“We must have courage and self-confidence to cling to our own methods and conceptions of human society”
Alternately, we can pretend that there’s something new under the sun and concoct enhanced interrogation techniques and suchlike, you know, just this once.
But I prefer Ambassador Kennan’s approach, at least as articulated above.
Nothing Is Free
November 10th, 2009
12:01 pm
Thank you GW Bush for opening AIDS clinics all over Africa that have virtually stemmed the tide of the disease.
No thank you to Obozo who has declared that all the very successful clinics start counseling women on having abortions, resulting in their country’s Islamic leaders closing the clinics and refusing the US aid.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( AmWet Is A Coward mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 10th, 2009
12:04 pm
Ahaha, the rats are bailing out of the ship of fools already-
Anita Duhn will return to Squier Knapp Dunn, the consulting firm where she is a partner, but will remain as a consultant to the White House on the communications and strategic matters.
Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s chief of staff and former Illinois Congressman, has made clear he would like to return to elected office at some point in the not-too-distant future.
They can see the big ass hole in the side, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
Nothing Is Free
November 10th, 2009
12:05 pm
BTW. Heard that in order for the Ft Hood killer to be put to death, Obozo will need to approve the execution since it was on federal property.
So kids, let’s all welcome the real victim of the killings, i.e. the killer and be ready to be sympathetic to the person who killed 13 Americans and wounded over 30 others. Let’s get ready for the love!!!!!
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
12:06 pm
“Heard that in order for the Ft Hood killer to be put to death”
How about a link to that?
booger
November 10th, 2009
12:10 pm
I am ashamed that our president saw fit to decline an invitation to play a large part in this celebration. Same goes for the christening of the new Navy battleship. These are big deals and I assure you people notice and remember such snubs.
Normal
November 10th, 2009
12:11 pm
Nothing Is Free
November 10th, 2009
12:05 pm
NIF, we do not want to kill this man. Let’s not make him a martyr.
Put him in jail for life, feed him pork and beans for life and when he dies of old age bury him in a pigs skin, but do not kill him.
The radical islamists do not need another hero
AmVet
November 10th, 2009
12:11 pm
“We must have courage and self-confidence to cling to our own methods and conceptions of human society,” Kennan wrote in 1946. “After all, the greatest danger that can befall us … is that we shall allow ourselves to become like those with whom we are coping.”
Like Ike’s brilliant speech in January 1961, the sage advice of these men was ultimately lost on the barbaric neo-conned as they and their religious zealots hijacked an entire political party and usurped it with that sham of an ideology.
One that spat on the US Constitution, suspended habeus corpus, from the top down promoted torture and allowed corporations to spy on Americans.
What a disgraceful turn of events.
No wonder they are hemorrhaging…
Brad Steel
November 10th, 2009
12:11 pm
Jay’s article underscores the reasoning to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no strategic reason to continue waging war in either country – there never was.
Yet, despite the lack of strategic reasoning for remaining in Afghanistan, I believe the last indication was that Bookman was waffling.
Although it is not the disasters of the Bush regime, Obama’s leadership to date has been weak and indecisive for both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
12:12 pm
“The radical islamists do not need another hero”
It doesn’t matter one way or the other. If they need him to be a “hero” they’ll make him one…dead or alive.
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
12:15 pm
“Obama’s leadership to date has been weak and indecisive for both Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Make a decision. Make any decision. Don’t think about it. Don’t weight the consequences. Don’t form an opinion on the best course to take. Just make a damn decision NOW. /sarc
Matilda
November 10th, 2009
12:16 pm
NIF, REALLY? C’mon, this has the potential to be a good topic, and all you’re putting forth is “abortion bad” and “Obozo coddles criminals” bulldookie? Dang, homie, either take a vacation or step up! This is just LAZY, phoning-it-in stuff. SSDD. Where’s your WORK ETHIC, man?!? Sad.
Bosch
November 10th, 2009
12:19 pm
Party on Germans!!
Taxpayer
November 10th, 2009
12:20 pm
Did Bush ever find Gog.
Bosch
November 10th, 2009
12:21 pm
And all you baseball nuts out there – what the hell happened to Sammy Sosa?
Bosch
November 10th, 2009
12:22 pm
Nice article Jay.
I’ve said it many many times before – but worth repeating – wars are not won with weapons anymore – stew on that wingnuts and get back to me.
Hef
November 10th, 2009
12:23 pm
Bosch-From below,looks like Sammy been seeing the sme Doc as Michael.
Normal
November 10th, 2009
12:23 pm
Bosch
November 10th, 2009
12:21 pm
And all you baseball nuts out there – what the hell happened to Sammy Sosa?
He’s channeling Michael Jackson…
AmVet
November 10th, 2009
12:24 pm
Bosch, wow.
Just wow.
Infamous for corked bats, the cheater’s now apparently turned into the Clorox Man…
Bosch
November 10th, 2009
12:25 pm
Hef/Normal,
That’s just plain freaky!! EEEKK! Yeah, I wrote Eeekkk.
Agnes
November 10th, 2009
12:25 pm
NIF;
Yes, why can’t you make a real contribution.
One like……, well one like the contribution Matilda made.
getalife
November 10th, 2009
12:25 pm
We should learn the lesson of Afghanistan from the USSR.
Perhaps when Texas breaks away after the collapse, we can finally invade to get those Texas terrorists.
Brad Steel
November 10th, 2009
12:27 pm
what the hell happened to Sammy Sosa?
he’s juicing-up and auditioning for Dancing with the Stars
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
12:27 pm
“One like……, well one like the contribution Matilda made.”
And, of course, yours as well
Bosch
November 10th, 2009
12:27 pm
AmVet/Hef/Normal,
Are we sure he has not become a Creature of the Night and roams the countryside in search of blood? That’s just gross.
Again, Party on Germans!!! East Germans are not to be messed with. Just saying.
Normal
November 10th, 2009
12:28 pm
The real deal is Sosa got his teeth whitener mixed up with his body wash…
Joey
November 10th, 2009
12:30 pm
It seemed to me in Jay’s comments that he liked what ultimately happened in Iraq. Do you think he was giving Obama credit for that?
And Pakistan, was that credit aimed at Obama?
getalife
November 10th, 2009
12:30 pm
If Sammy was going for the creepy look, he nailed it.
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
12:31 pm
“Do you think he was giving Obama credit for that?”
No
“And Pakistan, was that credit aimed at Obama?”
No
Hef
November 10th, 2009
12:31 pm
Bosch-I read somewhere that Sammy is going to have is nose worked on next. Can he dance?
Agnes
November 10th, 2009
12:31 pm
And yours. Thank you.
Taxpayer
November 10th, 2009
12:31 pm
For some reason, I don’t see us making a dent in the Great Wall of China though.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 10th, 2009
12:32 pm
Ah, Reagan, Reagan, Reagan! What a great President! Not like this Kenyan in the White House now. Funny, I’ve been trying to get ready to talk about the next great President. But Sara, Sara, Sara and Pawlenty, Pawlenty, Pawlenty don’t have the same ring, and you can forget about trying to say Huckabee, Huckabee, Huckabee or Mormon, Mormon, Mormon.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Hef
November 10th, 2009
12:32 pm
Normal-To Funny!!!!
Bosch
November 10th, 2009
12:34 pm
Hef,
I think he’s turned into a vampire and needs to be staked.
Joey
November 10th, 2009
12:37 pm
Redneck;
But Palin, Palin, Palin:
Now that just flows across the vocal cords.
Normal
November 10th, 2009
12:38 pm
Hef, Thank yuh very much…I’ll be here all week…
—————–
That would be extra rare then….
Normal
November 10th, 2009
12:40 pm
That last comment was for Bosch…Staked…extra rare…oh. never mind!
Joey
November 10th, 2009
12:40 pm
Thank you Doggone/GA, I agree.
So Jay credited the Bush Administration for successes in Iraq and Pakistan?
Bosch
November 10th, 2009
12:42 pm
Question to all you old people out there:
I was 21 when the Berlin Wall came down, and although I remember it vividly and remember thinking “well this is news,” to me at least, it seemed rather sudden. Like – “BREAKING NEWS” The Berlin Wall is coming down. I don’t remember much leading up to it – but then again, I was young and not really paying attention too much at the time. Just curious.
Bosch
November 10th, 2009
12:42 pm
NORMAL!!!
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
12:44 pm
“So Jay credited the Bush Administration for successes in Iraq and Pakistan?”
No, he didn’t. What is it with you guys and reading comprehension? Read it and THINK:
“That same dynamic is playing out in Pakistan. Videos of the Taliban whipping innocent women and horror at heartless terrorist attacks on marketplaces and other civilian sites have done what we could not. They convinced Pakistanis to oppose Islamic extremists.
And in Iran, three decades of life under an Islamic theocracy — and three decades of watching the world pass them by — have convinced millions to demand freedom and a better way of life”
He credited the PEOPLE…not Bush, not Obama, not ANY LEADER. The PEOPLE.
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
12:46 pm
“I was 21 when the Berlin Wall came down”
Apropos of nothing much…I was 10 when the Wall went UP.
david wayne osedach
November 10th, 2009
12:48 pm
Imagine if they had internet up and running when they put up the Berlin Wall. It would not have lasted a month!
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
12:50 pm
“It would not have lasted a month!”
I don’t know about that. The Korean DMZ still exists.
stands for decibels
November 10th, 2009
12:52 pm
Like – “BREAKING NEWS” The Berlin Wall is coming down. I don’t remember much leading up to it
Well, there had been massive anti-government demonstrations on the east side, people chanting “Give it up, Erich”, suchlike. It was newsworthy that the DDR wasn’t brutally repressing the dissent as they had before.
So yeah, there was a decent lead up. That said, when the actual breech itself occurred, it did happen quickly and unexpectedly.
@@
November 10th, 2009
12:52 pm
That was exactly right. Military power was essential, but mainly because it deterred attack and gave us time. Given time, the inherent advantages of the West would and did produce victory.
Today, we are engaged in another sort of war, a lengthy war in which once again, force of arms will not be decisive. Military power is necessary in preventing attack, but even our generals tell us it cannot produce victory. Once again, that will come through the appeal of our ideals and the clear moral bankruptcy of our opponents.
Not a bad piece, jay. There’s only one thing you failed to mention. It WAS and DID happen in Iraq but you and your liberal cohorts, in the media, opted to put forth the negative rather than the positive, making the job all the more difficult for our military.
Hiding facts that are clearly in evidence is a liberal’s favorite pastime.
You must’ve heard Obama approved HIS surge of 40,000. How long before the liberals lose patience with his “barrage” and demand he make hay and bail.
Jefferson
November 10th, 2009
12:52 pm
Bunch of traitors here.
Common Sense / Block #23
November 10th, 2009
12:52 pm
Facists, Nazis, Communists, Fanatical Islam …………. someone has to be the world’s policeman or this planet would have imploded long ago into the darkness of pure evil.
It would be nice if you liberals would quit being such a hinderance.
Happy Birthday Marines !!
Matilda
November 10th, 2009
12:54 pm
Bosch, it was sudden to the people of the two Germanys as well. I got a note from my German friend last night asking for my memories, and expressing that very thing. While the Soviet grip on the satellites had been crumbling for awhile (”Solidarity!”), the reality of E. Europeans had been gray, bleak, and hopeless for as long as they can remember. Tyranny cracked, then it broke, at least on the Grenze. The wall’s demise was awsome both literally and symbolically. Good (short) video from PJ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnYXbJ_bcLc
Thought: What about OUR walls?
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
12:54 pm
“someone has to be the world’s policeman”
dreams of the future, for the conned: perpetual conflict
Jimmy62
November 10th, 2009
12:55 pm
Bah, Obama would probably have contributed to the building, just like Kennedy did. Neither one of them was good at foreign policy, but at least Kennedy was learning and improving. Obama is getting worse.
Hef
November 10th, 2009
12:56 pm
Bosch:12:21below-Yes she is and will always be “smokin HOT”!!! Bats-no, Mace-yes. I’m more worried about the sex starved college students,she’s going to night school to further her education.
jconservative
November 10th, 2009
12:57 pm
January 1980 – Speech on US Senate floor…
“”The Soviet Union is a seriously troubled, even sick society. The indices of economic stagnation and even decline are extraordinary. The indices of social disorder — social pathology is not too strong a term — are even more so.” He added, ”The defining event of the decade might well be the breakup of the Soviet empire.”
Nine years later it happen just as he predicted, and exactly for the reasons he predicted.
The man was one of the great intellects in the history of the US.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Common Sense / Block #23
November 10th, 2009
12:58 pm
To Doggone/GA:
Perpetual conflict? Yes – because evil is always with us. Maybe you would like to do away with your local police department and just handle things yourself?
You’ve seen this enough times by now. Please memorize it so I don’t have to keep showing it to you:
“When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.”
Author Unknown
AmVet
November 10th, 2009
1:02 pm
The success in Iraq???
If by success you mean the 4,279 KIA’d needlessly and the 30,182 wounded, then yes BushCo was fabulously accomplished.
And all paid for by Iraqi oil…
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
1:03 pm
“Maybe you would like to do away with your local police department and just handle things yourself?”
My local police department does NOT “police” the WORLD. If I am reading you correctly you think it is the job of the USA to be policment to the world. Given that, why are you not calling for us to be in ALL countries of the world where there is conflict? Why limit it to just Iraq and Afghanistan?
Just think how much conflict we’re neglecting. I guess we’re falling down on our job of policing the world.
And, BTW, you have NEVER – and never WILL – see me call for us to refuse to fight.
Joey
November 10th, 2009
1:04 pm
Doggone/GA;
I comprehended very well. Did you?
I did not say that Jay gave Bush any credit. I asked for your opinion. I do not think Jay capable of giving Bush credit for any good that came from the Iraq invasion. He does not have the integrity, or is it the freedom, to do that.
It was clear that Jay recognized real benefit to the Iraqi People. You are saying that you and Jay give full credit to the Iraqi People for that? You did not make a statement about Iraq in your 12:44 post, unless you intended to type Iraq rather that Iran in your 4th paragraph.
Assuming that you did mean Iran in paragraph 4, any chance that the People of Iran were affected by watching meaningful voting taking place in Iraq? Maybe further stimulating that demand for freedom and a better way of life?
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
1:08 pm
““So Jay credited the Bush Administration for successes in Iraq and Pakistan?””
Sorry, Joey – but this is not a question that asks for my opinion. It asks for FACTS…and I gave them to you. Next time you want my opinion try adding the words “in your opinion” – then I’ll know what you REALLY mean.
“unless you intended to type Iraq rather that Iran in your 4th paragraph”
that 4th paragraph was a direct quote from JAY. You must have missed the opening and closing quote marks.
@@
November 10th, 2009
1:13 pm
AmVet:
You’ve made your opinions on ratcheting it up in Afghanistan known….as have I.
Now, talk to the liberals here — the liberals who touted it as “the right war” to launch their candidate into the Oval Office. Ask them if they’re gonna support his decision.
I hope I’m wrong, but given the terrain and circumstances in Afghanistan, 4,279 KIA’d in Iraq is gonna look like small potatoes by comparison.
As Obama so proudly declared when he signed the stimulus……”It’s done.”
Bosch
November 10th, 2009
1:14 pm
“When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.”
Wait just a damn minute – Block IS the Corporal!!!!
He used to post that same stupid saying all the time!
And Block, please tell us – what the hell does that have to do with anything? Anything?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hef,
Well good for the future Ms. Hef – education is always a good thing. Have you seen that commercial where the guy is looking in his girlfriend’s purse and he finds a can of mace, but thinks it’s a bottle of perfume and the whole time your just going, “Oh no……..”
AmVet
November 10th, 2009
1:21 pm
@@, I’m not even sure what your second paragraph means.
Bush had our boys smoke the Taliban immediately following 9/11. Kudos to him.
But then the fool stayed and screwed around for years, costing a bunch of needless American lives.
Now the new fool is sh*t-eating happy to suck up to the same money masters and further implement Quagmire Part Deux.
The “new” libs seem to like this. The “new “conned” are suddenly war averse.
And the rest of us are consistent.
Get the F out of those places. Yesterday…
Joey
November 10th, 2009
1:24 pm
Doggone/GA:
Interesting. A safe dismissal of the subject.
Doggone/GA;
In your opinion:
Did the US Military Action in Iraq contribute to the good changes that Jay described as having taken place in Iraq?
Did the changes that took place in Iraq have any impact on the People of Iran and their desire for freedom and a better way of life?
John
November 10th, 2009
1:25 pm
“We must have courage and self-confidence to cling to our own methods and conceptions of human society,” Kennan wrote in 1946. “After all, the greatest danger that can befall us … is that we shall allow ourselves to become like those with whom we are coping.”
I will feel better about our prospects in the war of ideas when we stop promoting people with the losing ideas (See Van Jones, Anita Dunn) into positions of power.
Normal
November 10th, 2009
1:25 pm
“When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then we will have peace”. Jimi Hendrix…just sayin’
Turd Ferguson
November 10th, 2009
1:26 pm
My most vivid memory of the berlin wall being razed was Hollywood MEGASTAR and once proud star of the award winning series KightRider, Mr David Haselhoff. Yes, MegaStar David Haselhoff standing atop the berlin wall with his black leather jacket that was studded with many flashing white stars.
His singing was the cap-off to the entire event and he spoke a little German. While Reagan, Gorbie, Thatcher certainly played important roles we must NEVER forget that without David Haselhoff the Berlin wall would, to this day, still stand.
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
1:27 pm
“Did the US Military Action in Iraq contribute to the good changes that Jay described as having taken place in Iraq?”
In my opinion, no
“Did the changes that took place in Iraq have any impact on the People of Iran and their desire for freedom and a better way of life?”
In my opinion, yes…but also in my opinion they would have happened anyway
Nothing Is Free
November 10th, 2009
1:28 pm
Normal
*Put him in jail for life, feed him pork and beans for life and when he dies of old age bury him in a pigs skin, but do not kill him.**
I hate to admit it, but that’s not a bad idea. I would go along, only if once a year, we dress him up like Elvis in a star spangled jumpsuit, take pictures and send them to El Jazerra.
Thank ya. Thank ya. Thank ya very much . . .
DoggoneGA
What link would you want? The link that said he committed the crimes on federal property or the link that says that Obama will need to be the one that pardons him?
The governor pardons anyone killing in a state. So who do you think would be in a position to pardon a killing on federal property. I’m a little pushed today, so if you could just think it out yourself, that would help a lot.
TnGelding
November 10th, 2009
1:31 pm
As evidenced by this blog, we’ve become worse than those with whom we are coping.
Jimmy Carter
November 10th, 2009
1:31 pm
The fall of the Berlin Wall can’t be very important. After all, Barry decided he was too busy to attend.
Hef
November 10th, 2009
1:31 pm
Bosch-Still laughing-No I have’nt seen it yet but will be looking for it,thanks. Now off to meet a couple of venders for a freebie at Killer Creek.
Jimmy Carter
November 10th, 2009
1:33 pm
Nothing Is Free
November 10th, 2009
12:05 pm
As you well know, one muslim will not approve the execution of another muslim.
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
1:33 pm
“the link that says that Obama will need to be the one that pardons him? ”
this is not what you originally said, and not what I asked for a link to. You said:
“Obozo will need to approve the execution since it was on federal property. ”
I would like to see a link that shows Obama has to APPROVE the execution.
Jimmy Carter
November 10th, 2009
1:34 pm
Normal
November 10th, 2009
1:25 pm
I don’t think he ever overcame the love of drugs.
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
1:34 pm
“As you well know, one muslim will not approve the execution of another muslim”
What do they do, keep a token Christian or Jew around to approve all of their executions?
Normal
November 10th, 2009
1:34 pm
NIF…Elvis would be a nice touch…
Jimmy Carter
November 10th, 2009
1:35 pm
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
1:34 pm
Ha ha! I knew that one would get someone started.
Joey
November 10th, 2009
1:36 pm
“In my opinion, no.”
I am laughing right now. Wow.
stands for decibels
November 10th, 2009
1:37 pm
The fall of the Berlin Wall can’t be very important. After all, Barry decided he was too busy to attend.
Had Obama elected to attend:
I guess Barry thinks those Euros are a lot more important than we Americans, huh? Returning to the scene of his betrayal! where he APOLOGIZED, really he did! Filthy elitist!
It’s fun–you can play this “what if Obama had done the exact opposite” game with just about any online wingnut’s lament.
Marsh
November 10th, 2009
1:38 pm
The wall came down in spite of Reagan and so the Republican party has had to find a new enemy and it happens to be the American people. Look around you at the economy – a direct result of trickle-down voodoo economics that Reagan adopted, a result of his deregulation and union busting. Now millions of people suffer thanks to him.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 10th, 2009
1:39 pm
I’m not sure what happened to Sammy Sosa but I’m still convinced the designated hitter is an abomination from hell.
Doggone/GA
November 10th, 2009
1:40 pm
“I am laughing right now. Wow”
You asked for my opinion – you got it.
Marsh
November 10th, 2009
1:40 pm
Fact: President Obama has kept us safe longer than Shrub did.
Joey
November 10th, 2009
1:41 pm
I asked. I got. I am still laughing.
Jimmy Carter
November 10th, 2009
1:41 pm
stands for decibels
November 10th, 2009
1:37 pm
We’re just putting into play what you libs did to Bush.
Joey
November 10th, 2009
1:43 pm
Your Shrub kept us safe for 7+ years.
President Obama? Not so long.
Jimmy Carter
November 10th, 2009
1:46 pm
Marsh
November 10th, 2009
1:38 pm
No, no, no Marsh. You haven’t been paying attention today.
The libs have deemed 9/11 as W’s fault because it happened on his watch. Therefore, the economic disaster (10.2% unemployment and such) is Barry’s fault. After all, it happened on his watch.
Also: Fact – we lost the King of Pop on Obama’s watch.
Fact – Sammy Sosa became the new Michael Jackson on Obama’s watch.
Fact – Carrie Prejean happened on Obama’s watch.
Fact – The coldest October in 20 years happened on Obama’s watch. Wait a minute! I guess Barry has now conquered global warming.
getalife
November 10th, 2009
1:48 pm
” Therefore, the economic disaster (10.2% unemployment and such) is Barry’s fault. After all, it happened on his watch”
You lie!
w’s watch.
Turd Ferguson
November 10th, 2009
1:48 pm
Marsh
November 10th, 2009
1:38 pm
UH…I guess you were not paying attention during the so-called voodoo/trickle down reaganomics? I have furthered my career and checkbook, 401K, stock portfolio *wink* by leaps and bounds.
Guess you missed the boat again eh? Awwww…. : (
Jimmy Carter
November 10th, 2009
1:49 pm
New eco-problem: Golf balls called ‘humanity’s signature litter’…
Uh oh, better get in my round tomorrow before it is “taxed” of demonized by the libs. I can hear it now, “golf is the game for elitist whites and they must pay for their elitism”.
Marsh
November 10th, 2009
1:49 pm
PATTI @ 1:46,
Too cute!!!!!
Taxpayer
November 10th, 2009
1:49 pm
Every day is opposite day for Obama when Republicans are involved.
Jimmy Carter
November 10th, 2009
1:49 pm
FLASH: White House communications director Anita Dunn will step down from her post…
Was she not towing the line enough? Can’t wait for the book.
Turd Ferguson
November 10th, 2009
1:50 pm
HA!!
I saw that photo…looks like Michael warmed to room temp and ready to serve.
Jimmy Carter
November 10th, 2009
1:50 pm
Justice Dept. Asked For News Site’s Visitor Lists…
Ah yes, Barry in introducing the age of Big Brother.
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November 10th, 2009
1:50 pm
AmVet:
And the rest of us are consistent.
At least, you are……and in many ways too. Some admirable and some not so.
I was never in favor of lingering in Afghanistan. Neither was Bush and for good reasons. HIS objective was to establish a burgeoning democracy right smack dab in the ME where the insurgents would come in droves to meet their virgins. They did not disappoint. Now the arab countries that surround Iraq are looking inward more so than outward.
For years the liberals here wanted us to go after Bin Laden in Afghanistan. They refused to acknowledge my posts that said “BIN LADEN ISN’T IN AFGHANISTAN!!! HE’S IN PAKISTAN.” Afghanistan was just that convenient war taking place somewhere else…much like Darfur.
Had to get that “new” shyte-eating fool into office, they did. I didn’t vote for Bush because he was a war ready president. I voted for him because he stood on his convictions. Did he disappoint? Sure he did. Did he waffle and waiver in the face of adversity?
Nope!
The only “reality” left for the liberals was to proclaim Bush was looking to start a war before he even won the election. I mean….when the unexpected happens, which often is the case, what better way for a liberal to make sense of it all than to create some lame conspiracy theory so they can hold their water.
Turd Ferguson
November 10th, 2009
1:51 pm
As much as you all refuse to admit it, BO is a failure.
“Lovin every minute of it”
Jimmy Carter
November 10th, 2009
1:51 pm
Obama: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?
Nothing else needs to be said here. Just move along…..move along.