Islamic leader condemns Fort Hood violence
Ali Gomaa, the grand mufti of Egypt, is one of the most influential voices in Islam. Moderate by Islamic standards but not by those of the West, he has repeatedly expressed frustration that many Westerners pay so much attention to the extremists, as if they wanted to confirm their worst thoughts about Islam.
Writing in the Washington Post, Gomaa expresses his outrage at last week’s tragedy in Texas:
“I was shocked as any sensible human being was when I learned about the senseless, appalling and cowardly act of violence in Fort Hood. This horrific attack is a complete violation of Islamic law and norms and the perpetrator is no way representative of the Muslim people or the religion of Islam. God upholds the sanctity of life as a universal principle. “and do not kill one another, for God is indeed merciful unto you” says the Quran in (4:29). Islam views murder as both a crime punishable by law in this world and as major sin punishable in the Afterlife as well. Prophet Mohammad said, “The first cases to be decided among the people on the Day of Judgment will be those of blood-shed”
The Islam that we were taught in our youth is a religion that calls for peace and mercy. The first prophetic saying that is taught to a student of Islam is “Those who show mercy are shown mercy by the All-Merciful. Show mercy to those who are on earth and the One in the heavens will show mercy to you.” What we have learned about Islam has been taken from the clear, pristine, and scholarly understanding of the Qur’an, “O people we have created you from a single male and female and divided you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.” When God said “to know one another” He did not mean in order to kill one another. All religions have forbidden the killing of innocents. To kill an innocent human being is tantamount to killing the entire humanity.”
Over the weekend, Gen. George Casey, the Army chief of staff, warned about jumping to conclusions. “I think the speculation could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers. And what happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here,” Casey said.
Gomaa makes a similar point. “Blaming an entire religion because of the acts of this not-well man is patently unfair and serves no purpose,” he says. “It is important for us at this time of great sadness to stand together and process this horrific incident in a way that is fair and reasonable. It is important that we do not demonize Muslims without cause not because it is good for Muslims, but because our future ability to coexist in peace depends on it.”
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Pogo
November 9th, 2009
4:36 pm
This is all well and good but, actions speak louder than words Jay. One must draw conclusions based upon the evidence and the evidence is that todays terrorists are by and large Muslim fanatics. And judging by the anti-western/anti-infidel vitriole that is dished out daily in the Mosques both here and abroad, it seems this may just another case of paying lip service to perceived weak enemy. And where exactly were those 9-11 terrorists from again? Oh, that’s right. Egypt.
Brad Steel
November 9th, 2009
4:36 pm
…he has repeatedly expressed frustration that many Westerners pay so much attention to the extremists…
Please pass this message along to Mr. Gomaa: it might help move the process along if your extremists quit trying to kill us.
DoggoneGA
November 9th, 2009
4:44 pm
“Please pass this message along to Mr. Gomaa”
and pass this along to yourself: Muslim extremists kill other Muslims too. They aren’t any more immune than we are from the violence of such radicals. It isn’t their religion that leads them to kill, it is their EXTREMISM. It’s the sense of power they get…and that applies to ALL extremists, regardless of religious background (which include atheists who have none)
Mort Merkel
November 9th, 2009
4:44 pm
I don’t trust the extremists of any religion. Maybe that makes me a bigot.
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November 9th, 2009
4:44 pm
He’s a little late, ain’t he?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 9th, 2009
4:45 pm
Well, I’m with this Brad Steel. Don’t go preaching sermons about peace to us while you’re wrapping a bomb around your waist and getting ready to set it off when you’re in the midst of us. I might could take you more serious if you could show us all the Christian churches in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. We can show you plenty of mosques in this country. Even our President is a Muslim. Just show me a Christian President in any of your countries.
Till you can do that, I’m keeping the anti-tank weapon and the two machine guns I use for hunting and self-defense locked and loaded. Better not show up at my trailer door with a towel around your head and a bomb around your waist.
That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good night everybody.
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November 9th, 2009
4:46 pm
And ain’t he talking to the wrong people?
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
4:48 pm
“NOTE: Please conduct yourself in the debate below with at least a modicum of respect for the faith of others.”
To which I say Amen…
And, Jay, thank you for posting this. We keep asking where are the voices of rational Islaam…they ARE there. They are just not being spread. Small though it may be, Jay, you are to be commended and praised for doing your little bit given the limited forum you have here.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 9th, 2009
4:53 pm
Ever notice the Pastafarians don’t blow stuff up or kill people?
Bosch
November 9th, 2009
4:55 pm
“This horrific attack is a complete violation of Islamic law and norms and the perpetrator is no way representative of the Muslim people or the religion of Islam. God upholds the sanctity of life as a universal principle. “and do not kill one another, for God is indeed merciful unto you” says the Quran in (4:29). Islam views murder as both a crime punishable by law in this world and as major sin punishable in the Afterlife as well. Prophet Mohammad said, “The first cases to be decided among the people on the Day of Judgment will be those of blood-shed””
WHAT? But, but, but, the wingnuts said…………..
Bosch
November 9th, 2009
4:56 pm
“I don’t trust the extremists of any religion.”
No, Mort, that exhibits the fact you have common sense.
Bosch
November 9th, 2009
4:57 pm
Mrs. G.,
I’m totally stealing this from USinUK (and Doggone too maybe) but….
“Ever notice the Pastafarians don’t blow stuff up or kill people?”
RAMEN!!!
md
November 9th, 2009
4:58 pm
” It isn’t their religion that leads them to kill, it is their EXTREMISM”
Are they not “religious extremists”, being extreme about their religion.
So, their religion does lead them to kill.
Bosch
November 9th, 2009
4:59 pm
md,
“So, their religion does lead them to kill.”
As does Christian and Zionist extremists. And those Buddhist extremists – geez!!
Have a little faith in me
November 9th, 2009
5:00 pm
Muslims in the US military. The new gay? Do Tell. Anyway, some people will always need someone and something to hate and I do have faith in those people to deliver. They’re like clockwork.
md
November 9th, 2009
5:03 pm
After 9/11, I recall watching ordinary folks from muslim countries dancing in the streets in celebration. And I recall polls taken in the UK where a large percentage of muslims agreed the US had it coming.
There comes a time when people DO choose sides, and they are not all extremists.
md
November 9th, 2009
5:04 pm
Bosch, and your point?
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
5:04 pm
BOSCH–
Good to see you up here. In relation to our conversation of earlier, this will be much the same song, different verse.
The Pastafarians also know which wine goes best…
md
“So, their religion does lead them to kill.”
I respectfully disagree. It is not their religion leading them but the perversion of the faith by their “religious leaders.”
Mort Merkel
November 9th, 2009
5:05 pm
These blogs are fascinating. I just checked on a post I made on an earlier Jay blog which was “awaiting moderation” for whatever reason was not readily apparent in that it contained no disrespect, or cussin’.
md
November 9th, 2009
5:06 pm
Jo,
My point being “their religion” vs their “religion”.
Barry
November 9th, 2009
5:09 pm
I find it immensely interesting that Jay felt compelled to ask readers: “Please conduct yourself in the debate below with at least a modicum of respect for the faith of others.” The column wasn’t bend-over-and-be-PC enough, so then he had to try to frame the debate so no one’s feelings would be hurt, either? Wow.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
5:10 pm
md
After 9/11 I also recall Muslims lining up by the thousands to give blood. I recall candlelight vigils by ordinary citizens throughout the Islamic world. Mostly, though, I recall my Muslim neighbors shedding tears of sorrow as they, with their Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh fellow parents came to pick up their little ones from school…
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November 9th, 2009
5:11 pm
Christians are “extremists” only because liberals are total cowards and need harmless enemies to man up against, or should I say boy up against.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
5:12 pm
md
Your point on “their religon” is well taken, but their religion is NOT Islam.
Pogo
November 9th, 2009
5:14 pm
I think I mispoke. I said, “a perceived weak enemy”. What I meant to say was, ” a known weak enemy”. They (as in the terrorists and their sympathizers) know, as the world knows, that with its present leadership and with its current economic situation that the United States is at one of those periods in history where it is very, very vulnerable to attack both from within and from the outside. Make no mistake, the terrorists know exactly how to play the game and if the game calls for them to publically condemn the actions of someone they agree with it to achieve their ultimate goal, then so be it. The muslim fundamentalists are becoming very good at propaganda. They will exploit the “freedom of the press” in the West in a minute and apparently it is working. Too bad they don’t practice that freedom at home, isn’t it?
Another queston Jay; why are you so sensitive to whether Muslims are offended but you let Christians be subjected to all kinds of offensive crap on here day after day? Why is that? Why are the Muslims special? I personally don’t care for any zealot, no matter the religion. But, I say, allow all of them to be offended if you allow any of them to be offended. No-one should be left out. Why do you allow Christianity to be berated here over and over again but yet you call for tolerance and sensitivity for the Muslims? Is there something special about Muslims over the other religions? Have they brought the world less pain or more insight than other religions?
Brad Steel
November 9th, 2009
5:15 pm
DoggoneGA (they teach’em reel god there) gives me this naive’ lecture: They aren’t any more immune than we are from the violence of such radicals.
Actually, you boob, they are. The extremist are looking to kill the infidels, aka non-muslims. Hence, you don’t see too many suicide bombings in 95%-Islamic Kuwait or 97%-Islamic Saudi Arabia- unless, of course, they are aimed at US or western targets. And the US, despite is 0.8% muslim population, seems to have gotten more than it’s fair share of Islamic associated attacks.
Angry Black Man
November 9th, 2009
5:15 pm
Jay
Thanks for posting this. I’m sure those who rail about Muslim Extremist would have also railed about Christian Extremist when people were being murdered and lynched in the US. As a matter of fact, I’m sure they’re all working tirelessly in their free time to help solve those murders that have gone unsolved for so long. Moore’s Bridge, for one, is one of these cases that comes to mind.
I’m sure everyone would still be just as passionate about Extremist Muslims if they had family members who practiced Islam. They’d be ready to hang their own family because of the actions of one idiot. (insert major sarcasm here)
Regardless of religion, national origin, race, or creed, I don’t fault anyone who commits such cowardly acts except for those who carry them out. If you’re self-esteem is ok and you’re an independent thinker, no amount of radical teaching is going to make you kill yourself or anyone unless you make up your mind to do it.
Some of y’all look for any reason to moan and gripe about life. Quit griping about it and get out and live it. There’s more to the world than the U.S. The sooner you realize it, the better off we’ll all be. I’m not saying that there’s anything better than life here, but until you understand someone else’s situation, you can’t answer sh*t about what they see, think, or do.
Also, from the previous thread, disco was and is an important music form. Those who don’t like disco are probably the same ones who don’t like R&B, or Blues. Groups like Kook & The Gang played disco, but they also took the driving bass lines and horn melodies and grooved right on into R&B without skipping a beat. I’m guessing that’s why I’ve never seen Jay post George, Bootsy, James B, or any other music where you have a strong bass line backed up by live horns.
SouthGaDawg
November 9th, 2009
5:18 pm
Yes lets all conduct ourselves with a “modicum of respect” for the faith of others.
Just like Jay conducts himselves in debates about everything….oh wait…that hardly ever occurs.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
5:20 pm
POGO–
While I can agree with much of what you say about Christian bashing an accepted norm on this blog and one I challenge on a regular basis, it is, in my opinion, unfair to charge Jay with doing so. I have found him to be respectful of the Christian faith and in his rare commentaries thereon to be a man of some knowledge of the subject and sincerely interested in knowing more.
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November 9th, 2009
5:20 pm
Meanwhile, back on Earth-
The Middle East Media Research Institute last month excerpted a blog post from al-Awlaki’s Web site in which he cheerleads for America’s enemies:
America failed to defeat the mujahedeen when it gave its president unlimited support, how can it win with Obama who is on a short leash? If America failed to win when it was at its pinnacle of economic strength, how can it win today with a recession–if not a depression–at hand?
The simple answer is: America cannot and will not win. The tables have turned and there is no rolling back of the worldwide Jihad movement.-WSJ
Can anyone else imagine a Christian preacher saying something like that, what would happen? bookman would pass out. Queen Pinko would self immolate. PMSNBC would go 24/7 spastic. Well, unless, of course, it was Obozo’s preacher, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
Instead, we get……praise of these criminals.
Angry Black Man
November 9th, 2009
5:23 pm
Whiner
Well, maybe if conservatives would quit b*tching and loosen the leash, he wouldn’t have said that.
Jus sayin…
MAC
November 9th, 2009
5:24 pm
****yawn*****
SSDD
Paul
November 9th, 2009
5:27 pm
He’s an interesting guy. More moderate than most, but he is an Egyptian and he is seeking US assistance for the Palestinian issue. His website’s here:
http://www.aligomaa.net/
But I still have to wonder… a doctor’s murdered, it’s called domestic terrorism. A security guard at the Holocaust Museum is murdered, the FBI calls it terrorism. Yet here, the media and the government seem to be going out of their way to avoid using any phrasing that would even hint at using some variation of ‘terror’ – be it an ism or an ist.
And as for all those here who were quick to brand acts of violence by rightwing “Christian” whackos as terrorism and took to task those who objected…. I would really, seriously like to hear why this is ‘different.’
But good on Grand Mufti Gomaa. When more clerics in the Middle East – in Saudi Arabia, in Qatar, let alone in Iran, pick up the call (and tying it to the earlier thread, including Israel) – then I will have more than a glimmer of hope.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
5:28 pm
For the record here, the Grand Mufti of Egypt is about as close to a “Pope” as Islam comes in matters of the faith is concerned. For him to speak out so strongly and so forcefully carries weight.
md
November 9th, 2009
5:28 pm
Jo,
“Your point on “their religon” is well taken, but their religion is NOT Islam.”
No, its not. But, for many it is perceived to be, and unfortunatley in today’s world perception tends to outweigh reality. They have in essence hijacked islam and are giving it a bad name.
And I too know many muslims who chose the other side after 9/11, but my point is many “regular” folks have and do choose sides – right or wrong. Brothers fighting brothers in our great civil war, its a never ending cycle.
Matilda
November 9th, 2009
5:32 pm
ABM, Kool & the Gang, YEAH, BABY! I’m also a fan of the horns and driving bass lines. Much prefer the music topic to this one. Fact is, Planet Earth has lots o’ haters and quite a few crazies. The categories overlap, but not always. Most of us can express our differences without going batsh*- and without harming others. A few cannot live with themselves unless they make other people miserable or dead. What are you gonna do? My response: Thank a soldier, thank a veteran, show ‘em some love, man. “Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that.” MLK, Jr.
DebbieDoRight
November 9th, 2009
5:32 pm
josef: I respectfully disagree. It is not their religion leading them but the perversion of the faith by their “religious leaders.”
Very astute point. It brings to mine the “Rev. Ike’s, David Koresh’s and Jim Jones’s of the world”. Who take a very straightforward and beautiful book, and degrade it to conform to their twisted beliefs. Also it reminds me of the many “cults” that spring up around different religions. My all-time favorite one is the one where they have live poisonous rattlesnakes as tests of faith at their services.
DoggoneGA
November 9th, 2009
5:33 pm
“So, their religion does lead them to kill”
Nope, wrong. If it was the religion that led them to kill then all 1.5 BILLION Muslims on earth would ALL be radicals. They are not. It is the extremism, not the religion. And that is true – again – of ALL extremists, whether “religious” or not. And I put religious in quotes because as far as *I* am concerned such people are not religious at all, just radical extremists who care only for the sense of power they get.
md
November 9th, 2009
5:33 pm
abm,
I don’t think its the conservatives that have him on that short leash, it would be his own party.
Yo'momma Obama
November 9th, 2009
5:33 pm
“Islamic leader condemns Fort Hood violence”
Yes Jay, we know. The Kenyan President Sultan Barack Hussein Obama did condemn this in the name of “Alahu Akbar”
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
5:36 pm
md
I agree with you. It is a matter of perception and the lunatics have hijacked the faith. I would also argue that the perception has been fostered in no small part by our attention to the “Islamic–whatever” and ignoring the voices of the mainstream. This is why I think Jay is to be commended here tonight.
md
November 9th, 2009
5:38 pm
Dog,
Religion is both personal and collective, and ones personal religion can and does lead one to kill.
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November 9th, 2009
5:38 pm
ABM- I hope that outburst made you feel better but I believe the leash is being held by your Code Pinko people.
I’m sure those who rail about Muslim Extremist would have also railed about Christian Extremist when people were being murdered and lynched in the US.
Convenient that you would accuse Christians of racists crimes, seeing how you don’t have anything else.
DoggoneGA
November 9th, 2009
5:39 pm
“This is why I think Jay is to be commended here tonight.”
Yes, indeed. “They” ask “where are the Muslim voices condemning ” and when they ARE reported, as here, then there’s nothing but criticism OF those voices.
DoggoneGA
November 9th, 2009
5:42 pm
“ones personal religion can and does lead one to kill.”
Well, I would argue that’s it’s not a true religion…but let that go. If it IS “ones personal religion” then where is there justification for condeming ALL non-violent followers of the PROFESSED religion, who do NOT follow the same radicalised precepts? Answer: there is none
RW-(the original)
November 9th, 2009
5:43 pm
I’ve got no real interest in Islam but being called a Grand Mufti would be pretty cool. If I ever decide to change names here I might just become one.
@@,
Got your message a couple of floors down. Thanks!
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
5:44 pm
DDR–
Unmentionable and I were having a conversation the other night on the matter of faith and its perversion and he quoted Twain:
“There has only been one Christian. But they caught and crucified him–early.”
Granddaddy always said there had only been one Christian he knew of in his lifetime and he was a Hindu (Ghandi)
getalife
November 9th, 2009
5:46 pm
Time to occupy and declare war on Texas.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
5:46 pm
RW
That’s MufTI, not MuffIE..okay?
md
November 9th, 2009
5:48 pm
“If it IS “ones personal religion” then where is there justification for condeming ALL non-violent followers of the PROFESSED religion, who do NOT follow the same radicalised precepts? Answer: there is none”
We can agree on the above, the problem is getting the hundreds of millions that have been fighting a religious war for centuries to also agree.
RW-(the original)
November 9th, 2009
5:48 pm
OK, jo nix, enough with the muff jokes. We’re being respectful here dontchaknow.
Paul
November 9th, 2009
5:48 pm
Well, this certainly is refreshing.
So, for consistency’s sake, we are now all agreed? Christianity is a religion of peace, love and tolerance; those who invoke the name of ‘Christianity’ to do things not nice are perverting their religion and are not to be considered representative of it; and, those who do anything that could be considered not according to the tenets of Christianity, whether it be starting a war of putting inappropriate comments on briefing slides, are not to be condemned, but are to be viewed with compassion and sympathy, as we quell the chorus that is sure to rise against them?
And no more ‘Crusades’ references by the resident historians. That’s a newfound enlightenment I’m really looking forward to.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
5:48 pm
getalife–
Well, me? I’ll be going to Texas and fight the occupiers! I like Texas and the Texans. Individualists by and large who don’t really give much of a sh*t what others think…jus’ sayin’
DoggoneGA
November 9th, 2009
5:49 pm
“There has only been one Christian. But they caught and crucified him–early.”
Except Twain got it wrong. Jesus was of the Jewish faith. “Christianity” began with his followers. Just as Luther wanted, originally, to reform Catholicism, not start a new form of Christianity.
Paul
November 9th, 2009
5:52 pm
getalife
Not very Christian of you, eh?
How about we settle it in a civilized way? College football rankings?
Texas wins. Scoreboard!
Hey RW-(the original)
Latter part of Friday, I think it was – you had a question about a two-paragraph post I’d had, one referencing the Fri night ‘what’s a victim’ discussion and a second about posts directed to a new poster named Soldier. I’d left you a post I’d hoped clarified it – but I think you may have gone traipsing back to the forest. Did you ever get it?
md
November 9th, 2009
5:54 pm
Sorry Paul, PC dose not apply to christians or anybody that belongs to a majority.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
5:55 pm
Doggone– @ 5:49
No, no! Jews are Christkillers…weren’t you in earlier in the day?
Bill
November 9th, 2009
5:55 pm
The mufti’s comments about islam valuing life are irrevelant in this case. The qur’an teaches many things on ethics, including valuing human life, as the mufti mentions. However in the matter of Jihad, it teaches only one thing: convert to islam, or die. This is true islam. This is not extreme islam. So called “moderate muslims” don’t believe in the qur’an just like liberal christians don’t believe in the bible or what it teaches.
Islam as a religion presents a constitutional crisis for america. When the founders of the usa envisioned protecting everyone’s right to practice their own religion, they couldn’t even comprehend a religion whose stated goal is to overthrow america’s system of government and replace it with sharia law. They were thinking, like, catholic, jewish, presbyterian, baptist, anglican, etc. It’s time to expose the Qur’an’s teaching and clamp down on their jihad in the usa.
Paul
November 9th, 2009
5:55 pm
josef
Come on over! We’ve got this rugged individualist by the name of Kinky running for governor against the yell leader governor and the cheerleader senator to save us from ourselves. We can use a lot of help right about now!
getalife
November 9th, 2009
5:56 pm
josef,
They are evil doers.
Paul
November 9th, 2009
5:56 pm
md
Dang. I knew there had to be a loophole somewhere.
Back to the evil Crusade examples. Sigh….
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November 9th, 2009
5:58 pm
Duhgone- Don’t take this as being disrespectful but you are a total blooming idiot, but you are not alone on this blog.
Where, pray tell, do the Jews practice the tenet that “the only Way to the Father is through Me?”
Do explain.
RW-(the original)
November 9th, 2009
5:59 pm
Paul,
I did see that and I meant to let you know. It was just a confusing two paragraph post and I appreciated the clarification.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
6:00 pm
Doggone–
I have a friend who is a Methodist pastor. He objects to his faith being termed Protestant, “we never PROTESTED anything!”
md
November 9th, 2009
6:00 pm
Have the crusades finally ended? I was under the impression the war continues, only 3/4 of the world doesn’t know it.
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November 9th, 2009
6:01 pm
Isn’t it pretty funny, a couple of modern day sodomites whining about Christians.
Some things never change, do they?
getalife
November 9th, 2009
6:03 pm
Texas has oil.
Lets invade.
pat
November 9th, 2009
6:03 pm
So let me get this strait, you roundly condemn Israel for existing, but excuse these horrible acts of violence as one-offs. They are not, and many muslims did celebrate the attack as welll calling him a hero.
This is not a one off incident, he isn’t the only muslim to want us all dead. Considering he told his land lord he was moving out two weeks before the attack, this was hardly a guy who snapped. This was a premeditated murder.
Islam is wracked with terror and extremism. There are many who want us dead…
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/09/2009-11-09_fort_hood_gunman_nidal_hassan_is_a_hero_iman_who_preached_to_911_hijackers_in_su.html
You hate jews, who haven’t ever done a damn thing to us, but you excuse muslim extremism, who have quite a large body count, all the time…Something is wrong with this picture.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
6:03 pm
PAUL–
Kinkey! Now THAT’S my kind of Jew Boy! BTW, how’s he doing. National press doesn’t seem to be taken by it just yet, which is probly for the best…
Paul
November 9th, 2009
6:06 pm
getalife
Let the Californians drill for their own oil.
Wait a minnit! They can’t invade! They’re broke and can’t pay their Guard!
josef
Better than the last runs. But you know, get him serious and off the one-liners and he has some pretty level-headed things to say.
I’m in an ABI mood (Anybody But the Incumbent).
pat
November 9th, 2009
6:06 pm
Just for the record, atheists have commited to greatest attrocities known to mankind. So before you get on your prospective soapboxes realize that non-believers have been the worst in history by a long shot. So don’t go patting yourselves on the back for being awesome athiests, you’re not. You just suffer from weakmindedness and arrogance.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
6:08 pm
Uh, Whiner–your favorite modern day sodomite is the one DEFENDING Christians…
getalife–
they got oil! They got weapons of mass destruction?
pat–
Didn’t you get the memo? Jews are bad, bad, bad…but this Muslim bashing is, as I said, same song, different verse…
Paul
November 9th, 2009
6:11 pm
josef
[[they got oil! They got weapons of mass destruction? ]]
Pelosi?
why’d it get so quiet so fast?
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
6:11 pm
PAUL–
Laying the jokes aside, which is not that easy with my man Kinky, but he really is an intelligent, rational thinker with some good ideas. Texas could do a lot worse.
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November 9th, 2009
6:12 pm
DDR–
Unmentionable and I were having a conversation the other night on the matter of faith and its perversion and he quoted Twain:
“There has only been one Christian. But they caught and crucified him–early.”
Granddaddy always said there had only been one Christian he knew of in his lifetime and he was a Hindu (Ghandi)
Defending?
Taxpayer
November 9th, 2009
6:12 pm
I have no need for a religion but I would not mind being called a Grand Poobah. It reminds me of the good old days. The days when dinosaurs roamed the earth side-by-side with humans. They even made good pets. A single dinosaur egg fed a family of three. Life was good.
DoggoneGA
November 9th, 2009
6:13 pm
“getting the hundreds of millions that have been fighting a religious war for centuries to also agree.”
I’d like, very much, to see your reference for that number
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
6:14 pm
Whiner,
Yes, defending…ChristianiTY, these comments are about ChristIANS. Big, big difference…
DoggoneGA
November 9th, 2009
6:15 pm
“He objects to his faith being termed Protestant, “we never PROTESTED anything!”
that’s good! I was raised a Lutheran, and at least we KNOW that Luther DID protest!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 9th, 2009
6:15 pm
AmSpec addresses one of bookman’s favorite subjects-
Looking at the smashing Republican victory here in my adopted Commonwealth of Virginia, Bob McDonnell, the new Governor-Elect, won a campaign focusing on the most pressing issues du jour, jobs and economic growth. Moreover, he is a military man and solid social conservative. There is not single person in either the right-to-life or pro-family movements who doubts McDonnell’s credentials on these matters. The man prudently addressed the overwhelming concerns of the majority of Virginians while remaining grounded in the other two constituencies of the conservative coalition. It seems to have been a winning combination.
Most of the prattling about division in the Republican ranks comes from those who wish the GOP only harm or actually favor one faction over another, i.e., the center-left over the center-right. Their views should be severely discounted.
McDonnel wasn’t no bookman Republican, hahaha.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
6:16 pm
TAXPAYER–
The movie “Caveman?” Bet you’re a fan, too….
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 9th, 2009
6:17 pm
…….whining about Christians.
Paul
November 9th, 2009
6:18 pm
DoggoneGA
[[and at least we KNOW that Luther DID protest!]]
Superman?
getalife
November 9th, 2009
6:18 pm
Perry is a radical dictator and must be hanged.
Taxpayer
November 9th, 2009
6:18 pm
josef,
I was thinking about The Flintstones.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 9th, 2009
6:19 pm
josef- Tis odd little world you live in where sodomites hold ChristIANS in judgement.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
6:19 pm
Doggone–
Have you ever read that history of the world as collected from papers turned in to a high school history teacher”
“The Protestant Reformation started when Martin Luther nailed 95 theocrats to the door…”
DoggoneGA
November 9th, 2009
6:19 pm
“Superman?”
No, no, no! that was LuthOR, not LuthER!
md
November 9th, 2009
6:19 pm
“I’d like, very much, to see your reference for that number”
That is one of those generalisation numbers that I can not prove yet you can not disprove.
Paul
November 9th, 2009
6:22 pm
DoggoneGA
oh… sorry… nevermind….
so that green stuff he used to weaken authority wasn’t… catholicptonite?
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
6:22 pm
Whiner–
Twasn’t I who went judging…merely quoted two other men of faith, neither of whom, to my knowledge, were sodomites…but just like the spiritual says, “everybody talkin’ ’bout heaven ain’t goin’ there…”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 9th, 2009
6:22 pm
Nor is the CBO permitted to ask whether Congress will truly cut hundreds of billions of dollars from Medicare programs in coming years, as the House bill assumes. History suggests that legislators will not be deaf to the complaints of seniors and those who treat them when it comes time for the axe to fall. -Washington Post
Tis an odd little world the liberals live in where the cut the health care of the elderly to give it to healthy young deadbeats, hahahahaha, sickos.
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 9th, 2009
6:23 pm
I say ban ALL religions and then we won’t have any religious extremists. Then they’ll just be the extremist that they really are. Now who can argue with that.
Paul
November 9th, 2009
6:23 pm
getalife
That may be a bit extreme, but I appreciate the sentiment. Secessionist? He’s mostly an embarrassment. Anybody who can make someone think twice about admitting they’re a Texan oughta be sent to Mexico to work on a farm or a road project.
DoggoneGA
November 9th, 2009
6:23 pm
““The Protestant Reformation started when Martin Luther nailed 95 theocrats to the door…””
No, never have…but that’s a thought! I never got past the things that show up on employees evaluations. One of my favorites is: “He would be out of his depth in a parking lot puddle.”
Block #23 (Evidence for Alteration or Delay)
November 9th, 2009
6:24 pm
A couple of points:
1) The Koran says it is o.k. to lie to infidels in order to deceive them and to promote Islam.
2) Name me one country totally dominated by/immersed in so called “good” Islam that any “sane” person would still want to live in (especially a woman).
3) Islam exists “peacefully” only where it is forced to under Democratic government control. When that balance changes too far toward Isalm, it’s over.
4) Wording in Iraq’s Constitution (which our government sadly allowed) says, “nothing in this Constitution shall violate the tenents of Islam”. What does that tell you?
5) Those who practice a somewhat harmless type of Islam (for example some in this country) do so because they are so Westernized as to in actuality be outside of their faith. However, daughters who go to far run the chance of being killed by their father so it’s really not that harmless for them is it?
In conclusion, someone has to tell the truth so I don’t mind. Any peace loving, democratic peoples ignore the consequences of true Islam at their peril.
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 9th, 2009
6:24 pm
IR/YW – so you are one of those healthy young deadbeats?
DoggoneGA
November 9th, 2009
6:24 pm
“That is one of those generalisation numbers that I can not prove”
Translations: I made it up
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November 9th, 2009
6:25 pm
josef- Oh, ok, so you join the bookman club of posting quotes from other people that you don’t necessarily agree with, even though it could be construed that you are hiding behind them.
Makes perfect sense.
josef nix
November 9th, 2009
6:25 pm
PAUL, DOGGONE–
Y’all are just plumb BAAAD!
getalife–
Be careful! They’ll be crossing the Sabine any day now!