A good night for Reed, a better night for Republicans
Well isn’t that interesting….
Here in Atlanta, Mary Norwood doesn’t really come close to winning without a runoff, and as I noted yesterday, that means she could be in real trouble against Kasim Reed, who closed with a lot of momentum.
Nationally, it was a good night for the Republicans, winning the governor’s office in both Virginia and New Jersey. The shocker of the evening came in New York’s 23rd congressional district, where voters defied the pollster predictions by electing Democrat Bill Owens over conservative movement favorite Doug Hoffman.
That could turn out to be the most important victory of the night for Republicans. It injects life back into what remains of the GOP’s moderate wing, and it forces the conservative movement to swallow a little humble pie and possibly reconsider their self-destructive, smaller-is-better strategy.
In recent weeks, the conservatives have touted the race as a referendum on Obama and the Republican Party’s future; instead, it turned into a referendum about themselves and their tactics, and the voters’ verdict on those matters was pretty clear.
UPDATE: I should also note the disappointing results coming out of Maine, where voters by a margin of 53-47 voted to rescind a gay-marriage law passed by the Legislature. The politicians got out a little ahead of the people on that one, but the people are coming along pretty quickly. We’re getting there, but clearly we’re not there yet.
UPDATE II: Voters in Washington state, on the other hand, narrowly confirmed a law passed by their legislators giving gay couples all the legal rights and protections of marriage but under the title of domestic partnership.
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Rightwing Troll
November 4th, 2009
6:13 am
first
Rightwing Troll
November 4th, 2009
6:16 am
So I guess up there in NY 23 National politics DOESN’T trump local politics.
The flat earthers purged one who wasn’t quite backwards enough for them, even though that’s who the locals there supported, and here we see the results.
Bwahahahhahahahaha….ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
jt
November 4th, 2009
6:30 am
God-
I just love the smell of democratic charred egos in the morning.
josef nix
November 4th, 2009
6:41 am
Can’t stay, gotta run, Angry Black Man said it best last p.m. Asking this bunch here to play nice and keep a civil tongue in your heads would be a lost cause! But do try to make Jay’s and the Evil Moderator’s life a little easier…
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 4th, 2009
6:44 am
The polls weren’t even close-
A 24 percentage point swing for Republicans in Virginia from 2008.
Ditto in New Jersey, knocking down a string of democrat victories dating back a quarter of a century.
New York’s odd little race, where the Republican dropped out and endorsed the democrat, yep, all the weirdo things required for a weirdo democrat who campaigned as a tax cutter and against government spending, still was a 4 percentage point swing in favor of the Conservatives.
Gay marriage lost in Maine?
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 4th, 2009
6:45 am
This is a huge defeat for Barack Obama. He campaigned heavily with Corzine, which he didn’t have to do. That communicates massive overconfidence by Obama. Precisely while Obama barnstormed the state, Christie passed Corzine and grew his lead. Bottom line: if Obama can’t make it here, he can’t make it anywhere. Sure, Corzine produced terrible failures for New Jersey as Governor. But these election results represent voter wrath against Obama as well, even in this state.-AmSpec
Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm, didn’t in New York and that’s probably why Owens won, hahaha.
Peadawg
November 4th, 2009
6:46 am
“where voters by a margin of 53-47 voted to rescind a gay-marriage law passed by the Legislature”
Amen!
Rightwing Troll
November 4th, 2009
6:46 am
I’m pretty sure it was the flat-earthers that lost big last night, since they were unable to install the puppet they wanted in NY 23.
Lets see, mainstream Republicans won two governors races, flat earth far right candidate does not survive Republican coup on it’s own representative in NY 23…
Who really lost here???… Really?
Bwahahahahahaha…..ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww I rule!
Rightwing Troll
November 4th, 2009
6:53 am
To be fair, Obama and his merry band of pirates hasn’t exactly DONE anything to instill confidence in thier vision, and some of us are starting to think it’s a flawed vision.
Too bad the far right, flat earthers don’t care about my vote… because it’s up for grabs, more so every day. But it won’t be used to elect farrrrrrrrr right nutbags like Mrs. Palin….We just experienced 8 years under the male equivalent of Mrs. Palin, to disasterous consequence…
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 4th, 2009
6:55 am
Sooner or later, the Democrats will start to blame Obama, and turn on him. That is why I am predicting right now that President Obama is more likely to not be on the ticket in 2012, than he is to be re-elected. For Democrats who want to laugh this off, I have three words: Lyndon Baines Johnson.-AmSpec
Remember where you heard it first.
Am I not the man?
jt
November 4th, 2009
6:56 am
The following phone number is a connection to our next President.
The Honorable Ron Paul is already making a 2012 Federal Budget. The telephone number will enable liberty lovers to see the various unconstitutional Federal Departments that he will immediantly slash with prejudice. His federal budget will NOT be deficit neutral. It will be deficit destroying. He is also entertaining some interesting CLAWBACK amendments concerning Hank Paulson, Chucky Rangel, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, David Axelrod, etc…….
For further information, consult the US constitution.
888-322-1414
TGT
November 4th, 2009
7:02 am
Numer of states that have put gay marriage on the ballot: 31
Number of states that have rejected gay marriage: 31 (with an average rejection rate of about 70%)
31 for 31. From bright red states to deep blue ones. Gay marriage (hopefully) is on its death bed.
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:05 am
I was surprised to find that Republicans had won anything, as Jay and the rest of the left have been declaring the GOP “dead” and “irrelevant”.
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:09 am
Rightwing Troll –
“Too bad the far right, flat earthers don’t care about my vote… ”
Yeah, because you were really debating as to whether or not to vote Democrat like you have in every other election you have participated in. LOL
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2009
7:10 am
it forces the conservative movement to swallow a little humble pie
Yeah, that’s going to happen.
See also:
Gay marriage (hopefully) is on its death bed.
Actually, gay marriage will be the law of the land within about a decade or so. The only thing standing in its way are older Americans who aren’t able to reconcile their notions of what’s “sinful” with modern day living. They will die off; a younger wave of voters will approve, and you’ll have to find some other kewl new wedge issue.
The Man
November 4th, 2009
7:12 am
Am I not the man?
Yep
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2009
7:13 am
Oh, and Bill Kristol? Regarding that question you posed yesterday?
If, after all that, Hoffman still beats the Democrat in this Obama+5 district — and if he does so precisely after running against Owens as a likely rubber-stamp vote for Pelosi on health care and other issues — doesn’t that send a shudder down the spine of all Democrats in competitive districts?
Here in America the people rule.
So, on Wednesday morning, don’t at least 40 Democrats march into the Speaker’s office and tell her to pull the bill?
Sorry, horse-face. Na gone duit.
TGT
November 4th, 2009
7:14 am
Interesting to note that Maine’s rejection of gay marriage was not a rejection of their courts, but of their legislature and governor. It just goes to show that even in liberal states the conservative position on social issues is (or at least can be) a winning one.
jt
November 4th, 2009
7:15 am
CNSNews.com
“Taxpayers Unlikely to Recover $80 Billion Given to Chrysler, GM, GAO Says”
Ron Paul says-
CLAWBACK!!!
jt
November 4th, 2009
7:17 am
“Feds: Stimulus Saved 16,000 Ed. Jobs in Ga.”
Government jobs.
Ron Paul says-
CLAWBACK
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2009
7:18 am
The following phone number is a connection to our next President.
The Honorable Ron Paul is already making a 2012 Federal Budget.
jt, two practical questions:
1) What is 2,012 minus 1,935?
2) How often have American voters catapulted a 77-year-old House Representative to its highest office?
jt
November 4th, 2009
7:19 am
“The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts. Kleiner Perkins and its partners, including Mr. Gore, could recoup their investment many times over in coming years.”
Ron Paul says-
CLAWBACK
Normal
November 4th, 2009
7:20 am
MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2009
7:23 am
It just goes to show that even in liberal states the conservative position on social issues is (or at least can be) a winning one.
Twenty years ago if you’d had a referendum on allowing same-sexers to marry you might manage low double digits. And that’s optimistic.
Today, such measures are coming within single digits in places like Maine (which are so “Liberal” they have two republican Senators.)
Most of the resistance to gay marriage these days is in the 60-to-dead demographic.
Unless you’ve got some means by which to keep old people alive forever, and to prevent new people from being born, your efforts to stop marriage equality are doomed. The GLBT and their straight-but-not-narrow support community (that’d be me, my family, most of my friends) aren’t giving up on this. Ever.
Whereas, just like with slavery, just like with women’s suffrage, just like with school integration, one of these days, the evangelicals will.
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:23 am
sfb –
“They will die off; a younger wave of voters will approve, and you’ll have to find some other kewl new wedge issue.”
LOL. I love how angry liberals like to call any social issue a “wedge issue” created by the right. Sorry to let facts intrude on your mindless partisanship, but it is the left that is pushing this “wedge issue”, not the right. It’s not as if the right started the movement against gay marriage before the left began pushing the “wedge issue” of gay marriage.
But hey, why bother thinking for yourself when the liberal pundacracy can do it for you, with buzz words like “wedge issue” included at no charge. It’s so much easier than just acknowledging that others might take views that differ from your own narrow minded and intolerant views.
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
7:23 am
“I just love the smell of democratic charred egos in the morning”
Dems won a district they haven’t seen since the 1870s. so, charred egos?? you’re soaking in it.
as far as the VA race, McDonnell kicked Deed’s backside because he ran an excellent campaign. See Fairfax country — a Dem county that voted McDonnell, but went Dem for the rest of the candidates. Otherwise, the VA election map looks exactly like it did in 2008 — mostly red.
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2009
7:25 am
New York’s odd little race
yep, that’s what you’d be calling it, Whiner, if Bible Spice’s precious little boy had won.
jt
November 4th, 2009
7:25 am
stands for decibels
My dear old Daddy is 85 years old and still works everyday. Smoked camel no filters for 60 years and was raised on a diet rich in lard and buttermilk. He can, just like the good doctor Ron Paul, weild a budget-slashing red sharpie all day. And he can fire government workers twice as long.
Let the Birkenstockers tremble.
TGT
November 4th, 2009
7:28 am
SFD: Kristol’s question, not mine. It was, as I noted, “an interesting take” on the race.
Regardless of NY-23, don’t you think the nearly 25-point STATEWIDE swing in Virginia and the nearly 20-point STATEWIDE swing in NJ accomplish just the same?!
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:28 am
sfb –
“Whereas, just like with slavery, just like with women’s suffrage, just like with school integration, one of these days, the evangelicals will.”
You are utterly ignorant of history. The church, including many, many evangelical churches, were leaders in all of the movements you list above. For example, John Brown was a fervent evangelical. (Of course, this assumes that you even know who John Brown is, which is doubtful.)
But hey, if you want to hate people because of their religious faith and make up baseless lies about them, feel free. It is in keeping with the rest of your mindlessly hateful and intolerant views.
Normal
November 4th, 2009
7:29 am
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
7:23 am
Top of the morning to you, USinUk…Your above is spot on. “They” just don’t want to hear the truth, is all. And the NY23 election. I hope this a sign of good things to come for the moderate Republican majority out there.
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:31 am
sfb –
“yep, that’s what you’d be calling it, Whiner, if Bible Spice’s precious little boy had won.”
Another “tolerant” liberal showing her hateful bigotry. Of course, the hateful bigotry of liberals towards Christians is just fine and dandy with the left. We conservatives have so much to learn about “tolerance” from “tolerant” liberals like sfb.
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2009
7:32 am
I love how angry liberals like to call any social issue a “wedge issue” created by the right.
Well that’s nice. How about when I use that term?
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:32 am
Normal –
” “They” just don’t want to hear the truth, is all.”
Yay! Another liberal is going to define “The Truth” for us.
Let me guess. “The Truth” is whatever views you happen to hold at any given moment
jt
November 4th, 2009
7:33 am
“ACORN has received an estimated $53 million in government funds since its founding in 1970.”
Ron Paul says-
CLAWBACK
Turd Ferguson
November 4th, 2009
7:34 am
Stop duh “hay-in”, dayum.
Hopefully Norwood can bring it own home, however, w/Androo in his corner that may be a impossible. Then there is that Useless Lowery who may jump in because of late his television time is lacking.
Nice work NJ and VA!! Is this a Rep revival…who knows, yet is it needed to happen.
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:34 am
stands for decibels -
“Well that’s nice. How about when I use that term?”
at 7:10 you said: “They will die off; a younger wave of voters will approve, and you’ll have to find some other kewl new wedge issue.”
Any other really, really short term memory issues I can help with?
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:37 am
Who knows what these elections mean for 2010 or 2012. it is clear that off year elections do not always reflect long term trends.
That being said, it is evident that the folks on the left who have been crowing about the death and irrelevance of the GOP have been proven as wrong as the fools on the right who thought the same about Democrats in 2004.
Jay
November 4th, 2009
7:37 am
JT, this isn’t a Ron Paul site or post. After seven such posts, we get it.
AmVet
November 4th, 2009
7:40 am
Congratulations conned!
Massive, massive victories!
What?
Two wins and a loss?
Oh.
Well, that’s certainly better than going 0 for 36 and 5 for 33 as in the past two tries.
I guess when you’re used to getting creamed, even two wins seems fantastic.
And you’d think the arithmetical challenged, reality averse just went 22 and 1.
And the poor conservative party, loses in its only race.
Is fake conservatism truly dead?
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:40 am
Jay –
What do you think about sfb’s “Bible Spice” comment. Would you also find OK if somebody called Michelle Obama “Africa Spice” or some other bigoted term?
Why is bigotry against Christians so accepted on this blog?
Mrs. Godzilla
November 4th, 2009
7:40 am
Congratulations to McDonnell and Christie! May they serve their states well.
The Owens win…..well….what can I say?
We have finally found what the teabaggers are good at!
Getting democrats elected!
Can we get Palin, Pawlenty, Armey and McGuffie to campaign for Joe Lieberman?
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
7:40 am
Normal –
so, did you have a hush puppy for me last night??? (mmmmm … RL hush puppies)
mike –
I suggest you go back and reread a little history – John Brown was religious, yes, but he hardly represented all evangelicals. and, as for wimmen’s suffrage, they had the support of the temperance unions, but were hardly supported in the churches.
Normal
November 4th, 2009
7:41 am
sfd,
Actually, gay marriage will be the law of the land within about a decade or so. The only thing standing in its way are older Americans who aren’t able to reconcile their notions of what’s “sinful” with modern day living. They will die off; a younger wave of voters will approve, and you’ll have to find some other kewl new wedge issue.
I agree and I’m teaching my Grandchildren as I taught my children, that the only thing that matters is the character of the person…the only thing that matters is the CHARACTER of the person. Worth repeating.
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
7:42 am
“What do you think about sfb’s “Bible Spice” comment”
personally, I prefer “Caribou Barbie” (or St. Sarah of the Tundra)
Normal
November 4th, 2009
7:44 am
UsinUk, I ate two, count ‘em, two cheese biscuits in your honor. I told Mom of all of y’all’s kind words and she smiled a big smile, and said “Gracious, I didn’t know I had so many friends I haven’t met yet”.
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:44 am
AmVet –
LOL. Yes two GOP wins in statewide elections in populous swing states is a victory.
If you read the comments, you will note that conservatives are not overstating the importance of these wins, so as usual, you are arguing with partisan fantasies in your “mind”.
In fact, the only thing that is clear about this election is that silly folks like yourself were the ones who wildly overstated the importance of your victories in 2008.
Perhaps you should stop being “conned” by liberal propaganda and learn how to think for yourself.
Nah, just keep on making stuff up and calling people names. So much easier than using your brain.
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
7:45 am
mike –
why are you retiring to the fainting couch over the term “wedge issue” – it’s a perfectly acceptable term and is a tactic used by both parties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_issue
get a grip on yourself, man.
Dave R.
November 4th, 2009
7:45 am
The NY-23 race is largely irrelevant for a couple of reasons:
This was an open seat election where the candidates were hand-picked by their respective parties, not the voters in general.
The Democrat still didn’t get over 50% of the vote, even with a grossly split opposition.
A great deal of early voting and absentee ballots were already cast before the Republican withdrew.
A third-party candidate has a greater hurdle to climb than a name-brand party affiliated candidate.
This district is going to be gone shortly following the 2010 census when the Democrat-controlled legislature gerrymanders it out of existence once NY loses another congressional seat.
In summary, the net gain of one seat in Congress by an already heavily controlled majority doesn’t do a thing to the big picture, while two states and a congressional district that Hope & Change carried in 2008 have all voted for an alternative in 2009.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 4th, 2009
7:45 am
Bill Owens believes that for too long, the politicians in Washington have been spending blindly, letting our federal deficit spin out of control. He thinks we must now restore fiscal restraint and get our financial house in order to avoid even worse problems down the road. That’s why in Congress, Owens will fight for more balanced budgets and less deficit spending to help minimize the debt future generations will face.
Bill Owens also supports an estate tax exemption for up to $5 million, a threshold that will make sure family farms and small businesses in Upstate New York are not negatively impacted. He does not support increasing taxes on small businesses or middle class families that are already struggling during these tough economic times.-Bill Owens, democrat, NY-23
So did the democrat really win, bwahahahahahaha?
Mrs. Godzilla
November 4th, 2009
7:46 am
USinUK
I loved Caribou Barbie…..I got my niece the snow machine play set and her own 150,000 gift card from Saks….
(Last I heard the clothes, including the red leather jacket I’d like, are in hefty bags at the RNC)
Marsh
November 4th, 2009
7:46 am
Palin’s candidate lost – HA!HA!
Wouldn’t want to be the ex-First Dud and have to be in that household this morning!
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
7:47 am
Normal –
“I told Mom of all of y’all’s kind words and she smiled a big smile, and said “Gracious, I didn’t know I had so many friends I haven’t met yet”.”
you are so very blessed that your mom is still with us – mine’s been gone for 16 years, now, and not a day goes by that I don’t miss her and wish I could have a chat.
Normal
November 4th, 2009
7:47 am
Mike, Let me guess. “The Truth” is whatever views you happen to hold at any given moment
But, of course…
Mrs. Godzilla
November 4th, 2009
7:47 am
Maybe he thought you said “wedgie” issue…..that can upset a mans “arrangements”….
Normal
November 4th, 2009
7:48 am
USinUK, I don’t even want to think about that day. I would rather go first. Just sayin’
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
7:48 am
Dave R –
I’ll type this slowly since you obviously don’t read too well …
the Dems won a seat they haven’t even SEEN since the 1870s.
won it.
as in, beat the Republican.
in a Republican district.
Marsh
November 4th, 2009
7:49 am
The Republicans might crow about the governors’ races, but the NY-23 contest is the most relevant. It proves the teabaggers have split the party. If they run candidates in 2010, Democrats are sure to gain seats.
Peadawg
November 4th, 2009
7:49 am
“I agree and I’m teaching my Grandchildren as I taught my children, that the only thing that matters is the character of the person…the only thing that matters is the CHARACTER of the person. Worth repeating.”
Good for you. I also plan on raising my kids in church. If you’re gay, that’s fine. But marriage is between a man and a woman. A civil union, w/ the same constitutional rights as a marriage, is between 2 men or 2 women.
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
7:50 am
Mrs G –
” got my niece the snow machine play set and her own 150,000 gift card from Saks….”
did you also get the multi-million dollar athletic facility for Kenai Ken??
AmVet
November 4th, 2009
7:51 am
For the same reason that your pal Andy can say he wants to p!ss on the Koran.
It’s that pesky little problem for you conned called the First Amendment.
It must be awful dark up there. And remember, no one likes a crybaby…
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
7:52 am
Normal –
7:48 – HUGS!!! you’ve got her, now – and are evidently cherishing every single day … that’s the most important thing.
Paul
November 4th, 2009
7:52 am
Report/Whine 7:43
Re: NY23. The Republican candidate struck many as a Dem on the issues and the Dem candidate struck many as a Rep on the issues. The Dem won. Go figure -
Mrs. Godzilla
November 4th, 2009
7:53 am
USinUK
my caribou Barbie always preferred GI Joe….he had the “action hands”….
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:53 am
USinUK –
“why are you retiring to the fainting couch over the term “wedge issue” – it’s a perfectly acceptable term and is a tactic used by both parties.”
Oh stop your whining.
I have never heard a conservative use the term wedge issue. Can you provide an example?
The liberal pundacracry (and hence their mindless partisan sheep) have described any controversial issue as a “wedge issue” drummed up for cynical partisan reasons. In fact, that is exactly the context in which your mindless partisan soulmate, sfb, used it. It is all part of the media’s propganda, swallowed whole by people like sfb, that the GOP only wins with dirty tactics.
Bud Wiser
November 4th, 2009
7:53 am
As expected, the left wingers are all hanging their hat on NY 23, where a not-far-left Democrat making formerly Republican-style promises, hung on to beat a conservative that just entered the fray a couple of weeks ago. The oinker that dropped out had endorsed the Dimwit because, in fact, that more closely followed her agenda.
As opposed to Jay’s opinion that “It injects life back into what remains of the GOP’s moderate wing, and it forces the conservative movement to swallow a little humble pie and possibly reconsider their self-destructive, smaller-is-better strategy.”, it in fact sounds the wakeup call to Republicans that Conservative, not moderate, is better. Remember, this guy just popped up a couple weeks ago, and had he been the Repug’s candidate all along instead of Scuzzface, things may well have been quite different indeed.
Hell, New Yorkers have a history of apparent inbred bloodlines that foment stupidity anyway, electing out-of-staters like Bobby Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as ’senators’, as opposed to people who re actually from there. I bet dentists do well in New York.
Unfortunately for Obowo, who invested a lot of time there, his boy Corzine, who scurried the NJ Attorney General to Philly yesterday in a vain effort to block Fox and only Fox News from gathering exit polling, was handed his hat. Mmmm mmmm mmm. In Virginia, it was an old fashioned a$$ whipping. Blue dogs just turned several shades bluer yesterday.
The universe is indeed realigning itself back toward normalcy.
A lot of Dimwits whistling past the graveyard today.
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:55 am
Normal –
“Mike, Let me guess. “The Truth” is whatever views you happen to hold at any given moment”
Wow, you can copy and paste what I said, even ignoring the total context. Pretty mindless.
I would never be so silly as to proclaim that those who don’t share my political views are ignorant of “the truth” as you just did, so the comment does not apply to me. It does however, apply to you.
Normal
November 4th, 2009
7:56 am
If there truly is a G-d in Heaven, then one day there will be no religions and only spirituality. Then marriage can be what it was meant to be, a pedge of love between whomever the lovers are.
Marsh
November 4th, 2009
7:56 am
Republicans had the voter advantage and the history, but I doubt NY-23 liked having those outsiders p!ss all over Scozzafava like that. That was bad form and all the GOP now look like loons.
mike
November 4th, 2009
7:56 am
Marsh –
“The Republicans might crow about the governors’ races, but the NY-23 contest is the most relevant.”
Wow! What a surprise that a mindless partisan think that the only race that matter is the one her party won.
Didn’t see that coming. LOL
Normal
November 4th, 2009
7:57 am
Ha, ha Mike, get over it, please!
Marsh
November 4th, 2009
7:57 am
Spirituality – YES
Religions – NO
Bud Wiser
November 4th, 2009
7:58 am
THIS JUST IN – Several airlines announce that there have been major cancellations of bookings last night into Portland, Augusta, and Bangor, Maine.
Spokespersons who talked on the condition of anonymity said “it looks like the bottom just fell out on bookings tonight. This really kicks us hard in the rear, when we were hoping to back-door some real profitability back into our operations. This sucks.”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 4th, 2009
7:58 am
Yeah, NY 23 has been hardcore Repug for decades-
2008 NY-23 President
Obama 51.8%
McCain 46.6%
(Obama by 5.2%)
Er, maybe not.
Marsh
November 4th, 2009
7:59 am
mike @ 7:56,
Such a sore loser you are. Work on that.
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
7:59 am
mike –
“Oh stop your whining”
put the mirror down, it’s skewing your vision.
“I have never heard a conservative use the term wedge issue. Can you provide an example?”
“Republicans plan their own debate over bioethics in an effort to limit the damage from letting stem cells become “a wedge issue that divides Republicans,” Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said in an interview.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aE73duXVJHfk&refer=us
we’ll give you a moment to collect yourself with a damp towel to your weary brow …
mike
November 4th, 2009
8:01 am
Normal –
“If there truly is a G-d in Heaven, then one day there will be no religions and only spirituality.”
Thanks for sharing more of “the truth” with us. This time the spiritual edition!
“Then marriage can be what it was meant to be, a pedge of love between whomever the lovers are.”
You need to step out of the partisan stereotype mindset. I know that folks on the left think that the only reason that anyone opposes abortion or gay marriage is religion. It’s not true at all. I am opposed to both and there is no religious basis for my views. But hey, feel free to throw all who dare disagree with your social views into one big stereotyped bucket. That is what “tolerant” and “intellectual” people do, right?
Dave R.
November 4th, 2009
8:02 am
USinUK, I’ll type this slowly so that even YOU can understand it:
The “Republican” got about 6% of the vote. The “Republican” hand-picked candidate was so bad and so far from being one, that party representatives split from her weeks before the election. The “Republican” agreed on only ONE major issues that the national party espouses, and that was being against Cap and Trade. All other views she had were right in line with the Democrat party line.
The “Conservative” didn’t have ANY party support from a local level, which is how you win elections. After all, it was local party officials who anointed the “Republican” in the first place. At that, the “Conservative” got just a few thousand less votes than the Democrat did.
And the Democrat still didn’t break 50%.
And the seat is still going away in 2010 because liberal blue states are losing residents to conservative red states at an alarming rate.
So bottom-line, USinUK, since you have a need to look for SOME sunshine this morning after an electoral beat down last night, crow about the 49% win for a moderate Democrat in a split election. The FACT remains that it is still no big deal in the big scheme of things.
Normal
November 4th, 2009
8:02 am
Mike, oh I get it. I het comma instead of colon behind your name. I copied your post to say “But, of Course” as in yes I do. Just a joke, son. Just a joke.
AmVet
November 4th, 2009
8:02 am
The GOP’s coat-hanger shaped litmus tests have ultimately been their undoing.
But to hear the desperate faithful (not to be confused with Marianne), they are doing just rosey, thank you.
I concur…
Don’t put those hankies away anytime soon, conned…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9w2hJIqUk
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
8:02 am
whiner –
Republicans hadn’t lost in the region in more than a century. Owens defeated Hoffman despite a 45,000-voter registration edge for Republicans and big-name endorsements for Hoffman from former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson and others. Hoffman had rallied an unexpected level of support in the final days of the campaign, ultimately forcing Scozzafava to quit when he surged past her in the polls.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33608691/ns/politics-more_politics/
Mrs. Godzilla
November 4th, 2009
8:03 am
NY -23
Had a Republican Hose member since the civil war…..
It’s been hardcore GOP for over a century!
Until last night that is……
Mrs. Godzilla
November 4th, 2009
8:04 am
Hose member…..sounds freudian….
mike
November 4th, 2009
8:04 am
USinUK –
Stop your ceaseless whining. Very tedious.
““a wedge issue that divides Republicans,””
Well, I guess you didn’t bother to read my comments before running off to whine again.
As I stated:
“The liberal pundacracry (and hence their mindless partisan sheep) have described any controversial issue as a “wedge issue” drummed up for cynical partisan reasons. ”
Frist is talking about a “wedge issue” in a totally different context, one in which an issue arises naturally that is divisive within the GOP.
The context used by liberal pundits and their bleating sheep like sfb is the one I explained in detail above. If this is all you came up with, you are proving my point.
Nice try, but try to keep the whining down. It is pathetic.
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
8:04 am
Dave –
“And the Democrat still didn’t break 50%.”
please see the 8:02 post to whiner, above – the GOP couldn’t win, despite a 45,000 lead in registered voters???
stands for decibels
November 4th, 2009
8:07 am
mike, do you really think our Dorm Dad would ban you if you called Michelle Obama “Africa Spice?”
USinUK
November 4th, 2009
8:08 am
pooooo mike –
such a bad loser you are. your challenge: “I have never heard a conservative use the term wedge issue”
I showed you not only “a” conservative, but Maj Leader Bill Frist using the term and using it to describe a particular issue and its effect on the Republican party.
deal, buddy.
and, it’s not whining … it’s crowing, thankyewverymuch.
Mickie
November 4th, 2009
8:08 am
As a result, the New York 23rd Congressional District race will end up being between a Conservative Party candidate and a Democrat. In many ways, that pairing reflects the reality of national match-ups more than the typical partisan competition. There are more conservatives than Democrats in America, and there are more Democrats than Republicans.”
Guess that throws the whole idea of moving the party to the left to capture more people into question, eh? We should be moving RIGHT to get more heads.
“One reason for this is that while Republican voters overwhelmingly consider themselves conservative, only 56% of conservative voters consider themselves to be Republicans. In other words, nearly half of all conservatives nationwide reject the Republican Party label.”
There you go. The GOP has a branding problem even among conservatives. Be all things to all people and you got someone that no one likes. Like a football referee.
AmVet
November 4th, 2009
8:09 am
A Republican Hosed member?
Near the Canadian border, as in NY23, maybe it was a Republican Hoser member.
Too funny…
They keep you doped with religion, sex and TV…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU
mike
November 4th, 2009
8:09 am
sfb –
“mike, do you really think our Dorm Dad would ban you if you called Michelle Obama “Africa Spice?””
Not the first time. He would remove the comment and warn me. If it was posted again, I would be banned.
Anti-Christian bigots are welcome here and Jay explained why to me once. Basically he said, “they deserve it”. Of course, this is common, as many liberals do not view bigotry against Christians as distasteful in any way.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 4th, 2009
8:09 am
Republicans hadn’t lost in the region in more than a century.
U Stink- A real Republican does not vote for Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm, the most liberal US senator, a person to the left of Barbara Boxer.
They do not nominate pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro stimulus, pro high taxes, pro weak national defense, etc. etc candidates to run for the House of Representatives.
Is this that hard for you to understand?
Normal
November 4th, 2009
8:09 am
And Mike, I think you should really open up your mind to take a look at all of what’s out there. All I’m doing is sharing my opinions for you and anyone else out there that might be interested. After all, this is an opinion blog, remember? So express your opinion all you want to beside mine, but it’s not nice to try to put me down for for having different views than you.
Paul
November 4th, 2009
8:10 am
For you late-night readers or early morning perusers, apologies. Still applies.
The Obama Administration was heavily invested in NJ. Can’t remember how many trips he made there. The too close to call broke significantly (by today’s margins) for Christie.
Dems took, what, 48, 49 House seats in districts that otherwise went for McCain? This has got to be worrisome for Democrats, as the economy played a major factor and by all accounts people will still be hurting in 2010. The electorate doesn’t have much patience.
Here’s another thought. Left made much over “he took his eye off the real issue – Afg – and got distracted by Iraq.”
Now it appears people will say “Democrats took their eye off our top priority – the economy – and got distracted by health care.” Polls still show it’s not a home run with the electorate.
2010’s gonna be tough. Now the question is, can Republican leadership capitalize and expand their reach to maximize their chances?
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From CBS:
Voters who said the economy was important favored Corzine, while voters who said taxes mattered most supported Christie.
In all, 38 percent of Corzine voters said their vote for the incumbent was to express support for Obama, while 59 percent said Obama was not a factor.
Among Christie backers, 39 percent said their vote for governor was to oppose the president.
“I think now the voting is in the hands of the independents frankly,” Daggett said.
Many New Jerseyans said they were eager for change in a state where property taxes are causing so much unrest.
Interesting.
http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/chris.christie.nj.2.1290144.html
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Republicans: if they keep up the emphasis on social issues, litmus tests, I don’t think they will be as effective as they could be. It’s one thing to win because people are tired of waiting for positive results from the incumbent Party, it’s another, as you noted, to win because people embrace your Party.
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Listened to some of Gov-elect Christie’s remarks. On a couple of occasions when he mentioned Gov Corzine the audience became… kinda like some we hear from here. Christie shut them down, fast and hard. One of his looks would’ve wilted a cactus.
Let’s hope other Republican leaders follow suit. Maybe it’s some of these newbies who will lead the way.
RLJ
November 4th, 2009
8:10 am
@ mike 7:37 am
I read all the way through the comments, and that one was the only intelligent one that I found. Republicans aren’t dead, and contrary to Jay’s hopes, conservatives are not either.
Paul
November 4th, 2009
8:10 am
Regarding Maine
Sounds like the House/Senate Leadership in some regards. They look at themselves as leading the way. Voters look at them as being out of touch.
Had this discussion before. If advocates would drop term ‘marriage’ and replace it with something else, then push to gain all the rights and responsibilities of a heterosexual couple in a marriage, I think the voters would say ‘fine, go for it.’ But both sides seem to like their lightning-rod terms and won’t budge. But the traditionalists seem more open to the concept of gay ‘marriage’ than many progressives give them credit for.
Curious Observer
November 4th, 2009
8:11 am
The Republicans might crow about the governors’ races, but the NY-23 contest is the most relevant. It proves the teabaggers have split the party. If they run candidates in 2010, Democrats are sure to gain seats.
Agree. We may be seeing the beginning of an ideological war for the soul of the Republican Party and maybe even the full-blown emergence of a third party. Watch the scorched-earthers go after Charlie Crist in Florida next.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 4th, 2009
8:12 am
“We ain’t purple no more,” said Greg Harding, who started that familiar cheer, “nya nya, nya nya nya nya nya, hey hey hey, goodbye.” The crowd chanted that when Deeds came on the television to concede defeat.
mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
mike
November 4th, 2009
8:13 am
USinUK –
Stop the whining. It is so old.
Look, I provided a detailed definition of what I was referring to as a wedge issue and your example fits none of the criteria of my definition. You know why? Because you were unable to find one that did so.
As far as being a bad “loser”, the only thing that would make me a loser would be trying to claim that I “won” anything by arguing on a blog like some whiny liberal that I know.
Feel free to find an example that actually matches what I said. It should be easy, right? LOL
Turd Ferguson
November 4th, 2009
8:13 am
If the Dems wouldve walked w/NJ and VA then it would be “The death of the GOP is upon us” or “Ding dong the witch is dead”.
As it stands, and because most Dems believe it to be so, the NJ/VA races simply are a non-factor.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 4th, 2009
8:14 am
Aahhh, yes, the “Republicans” of NY 23 are bookman Republicans, hahahahahahaha.
Am I not the man?