Looking ahead at Election Night 2009
After losses across the board in 2008, Republicans could use some solace in the handful of high-profile races on the ballot today. If the polls are right, they’re likely to get some.
However, as the Wall Street Journal reports, most nonpartisan political experts say that such a small number of off-year races don’t offer much predictive value.
“I don’t think they say anything,” Curtis Gans, director of the Center for the Study of the American Electorate at American University, told the Journal. “The sample is too small and the issues are local.”
Jay Newton-Small, writing in Time, comes to a similar conclusion, noting that while “off-year elections always see a bit of a backlash,” history suggests that backlash may or may not be sustained into the following year, when the real gains are to be made.
The Republicans certainly have a big advantage this time out in terms of intensity; their voters are motivated and more than a little angry, and they’re out to send a message. If they win two or even three of the three most-watched races, they’ll come away with a renewed confidence in their battered party, and that will be important.
More important still will be the lessons the party draws from success, because the night is likely to offer Republicans two conflicting narratives.
In the Virginia governor’s race, Republican frontrunner Bob McDonnell may walk away with a double-digit win in a major state that until now had been trending Democratic. Larry Sabato, a political-science professor at the University of Virginia and an expert on that state’s political scene, explains to Time how that feat was achieved:
“McDonnell ran as a moderate-conservative, not a hard conservative. The GOP base was tolerant and let McDonnell shave off his rough edges. Will the GOP base let its candidates do that in 2010, or will the base insist on purity? If the former, more Republicans will win in 2010, and if the latter, fewer.”
On the other hand, a conservative victory in New York’s 23rd congressional district would seem to teach the exact opposite lesson, confirming in the minds of many Republicans the power of a hard-core message. I suspect that the cheers and celebration over a victory in that district are likely to make the contrary lessons offered by Virginia fall on deaf ears.
Closer to home, I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that Mary Norwood will be forced into a runoff against Kasim Reed in the Atlanta mayoral race. And if Norwood draws less than 47 percent of the vote today, she could be in trouble in the runoff as well. But again, this is from a guy who thought John Kerry would win.
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Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
8:46 am
I think the fact that GOP voters are all riled up is gonna mean that the GOP will have pretty good outcomes – and that’s all good with me. I’ve read a couple things indicating that the Dems aren’t all that interested in voting this time around except in the local elections that directly affect them. This isn’t such a big election year, so good luck to all candidates. The real test is next year – and even then I think we’ll see more GOP wins.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
8:48 am
Lived in the DC area for 8 years, including 3 in Alexandria. Virginia isn’t “trending Dem” – the metro DC area is. Virginia is very much like Georgia – once you get out of DC and, maybe Charlottesville, it’s very rural and very red.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/vacounties.html
Lewis
November 3rd, 2009
8:53 am
Didn’t John Kerry win? Or was that Al Gore?
Marsh
November 3rd, 2009
8:53 am
I hope the people in the NY-23rd District have the good sense not to vote this Hoffman nut into office.
We don’t need another Bachmann or Foxx.
@@
November 3rd, 2009
8:54 am
No big surprise with this one, jay. Liberals always seek to diminish.
Mr. Hoffman, in my opinion, can be compared (to a lesser degree) to Mr. Vahidnia in Iran. The challenge in that race will be for the winner to accomplish something of significance in a year’s time — most of that year being spent on campaigning for the next election. Still, Mr. Hoffman is standing up to say enough is enough.
Can’t argue with that.
If Corzine wins, he continues to carry the unemployment burden in N.J.. Obama’s economic policies sho ’nuff ain’t gonna help him there.
Marsh
November 3rd, 2009
8:58 am
Doug Hoffman praises Glenn Beck as his “mentor”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mevAD95kLs
Another example of why the Republican party is shrinking fast.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:00 am
I dunno, March, Bachmann is HOURS of entertainment …
NRBee
November 3rd, 2009
9:00 am
The way Norwood has been attacked because of her race has been very disgusting. Imagine the howling and outrage if the races were reversed in this particular case.
If she loses, it will be due to black racism on the part of the disgusting leeches who are running against her. May their version of hell include Barry Manilow music 24/7 and no KFC restaraunts to get fat in.
But anyways.
The real story will be 2010 when we boot out the commies and traitors.
And if our luck is really on a roll, the AJC will padlock it’s doors forever, and Jay can join forces with that guy on Freedom Parkway and sell some pencils out of a tin cup to passing motorists. Where he belongs.
Normal
November 3rd, 2009
9:01 am
Guys and Gals, from downstairs, thanks for the best wishes! I’ll give Mom your best this evening. I am so looking forward to it.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:04 am
Normal – is tonight pinto bean and cornbread night??? if so – have a great time with mom!! (envy!!!)
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:05 am
Yes Normal – have fun with Mom! Don’t eat too many of those cheese biscuits!
Pokey
November 3rd, 2009
9:06 am
More comfort food from Jay Bookman. Can’t wait to read you first blog post a year from now.
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:06 am
USinUK,
I make sure that I take NyQuil while I’m lying IN the bed. Too dangerous otherwise.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:06 am
that’s right … don’t eat too many cheese biscuits – air mail them to ME!!!
Turd Ferguson
November 3rd, 2009
9:07 am
“this is from a guy who thought John Kerry would win.” LOL!!
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:07 am
I see NRB is back and keeping it classy.
Normal
November 3rd, 2009
9:07 am
USinUK, We had the Pinto bean and cornbread night last Friday. Mom said my cornbread reminded her of her mother(who taught me). That was high praise, indeed!
We are doing Red Lobster with the local family…kids, grandkid, greatgrandkids. We will take over the place…
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2009
9:09 am
“I see NRB is back and keeping it classy”
And still doesn’t know the difference between racism and bigotry
danjonglee
November 3rd, 2009
9:10 am
Norwood has the wrong skin color….self loathing leftist can’t bring themselves to vote for her….
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:10 am
I think those cheese biscuits are another example of the proof of God and that we are meant to be happy.
Normal
November 3rd, 2009
9:11 am
Y’all, about NyQuil, it’s a lot better to warm up some Rock & Rye, add a dollop of butter(not oleo), and a splash of lemon juice…You will be warmer faster, throat number, and have a much sweeter breath.
Joey
November 3rd, 2009
9:11 am
In preparation for the very slight possibility that he will be able to say tomorrow that he was wrong and that the US still loves Democrats, Jay Bookman conceeds the elections in NY23, NJ and Virginia. Then justifies the concession with Off-Year stats.
That is what I would call “transparency that we can see through”.
Marsh
November 3rd, 2009
9:11 am
Look at the irony. Michele Bachmann is covered by government insurance and she wants to rally people against public option.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDzKfsUzy0
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:12 am
“Oleo” – the classic crossword puzzle word. Seriously, has anyone ever done a crossword puzzle where “oleo” was not a word?
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2009
9:13 am
Normal…I agree, except I use orange/pineapple juice – can’t stand the taste of lemons!
david wayne osedach
November 3rd, 2009
9:13 am
Do we really care who the Governor of New Jersey is? How does that affect us?
Finn McCool
November 3rd, 2009
9:15 am
Of course if Democrats sweep yet again (yawn) then that will say a lot.
stands for decibels
November 3rd, 2009
9:15 am
Norwood has the wrong skin color….self loathing leftist can’t bring themselves to vote for her….
This sounds like something Newt would Twitter.
jconservative
November 3rd, 2009
9:16 am
Those who read my comments know I love political history & facts more than opinion. Having said that – look at the Virginia governors race today.
McDonnell will win today – Republican candidate – Democratic President.
This will the ninth straight Virginia governors race in which the winner was of the opposite party of the incumbent in the White House. You must go back to Godwin(R) elected in 1974 while Ford was in the White House to break the string.
Why? Speculation is that a huge percentage of the Federal bureaucracy live in Northern Virginia & they swing between Republican & Democrat by using the opportunity to take it out on their boss. Speculation only.
Interesting political fact.
Normal
November 3rd, 2009
9:18 am
Doggone, that sounds like a syrupy screw driver!
———–
By the way, you know that a sscrew driver is made with vodka and orange juice, right?
So what mades a phillips screw driver? Vodka, orange juice and….are you ready….milk of magnesia!
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:18 am
Normal –
aw, man … you just took me WAY back … when I was growing up, the Red Lobster on 41 was our family Big Night Out (I’m talking seriously special occasions). and the cornbread comment – wow – high praise, indeed! give your mom the hug I wish I could give mine.
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2009
9:19 am
I’m trying to figure this out…if a white person doesn’t vote for a white person it’s because they are “self loathing”, but if a black person votes for a black person it’s because they are “racist” – have I got that right?
So if a white person votes for a white person, does that mean they are “racist” and if a black person votes for a white person does it mean they are “self loathing”?
Is there no room ANYWHERE for someone who is voting for the person they think is best for the job – REGARDLESS of skin color?
Normal
November 3rd, 2009
9:21 am
USinUk, we are going to the one on 41 by Galleria, just a little south of Windy Hill…is that the one?
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:21 am
USinUK,
Wow, ours too (same place)! then off to Treasure Island where we could buy a 45 record!!!
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2009
9:21 am
“By the way, you know that a sscrew driver is made with vodka and orange juice, right?”
Yep, actually I did know that…but it’s the pineapple juice that gives it that little extra kick!
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:22 am
Doggone,
WHOAAA!!! Hold up, not enough caffeine yet for that one.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:22 am
jcons –
“Why? Speculation is that a huge percentage of the Federal bureaucracy live in Northern Virginia & they swing between Republican & Democrat by using the opportunity to take it out on their boss. Speculation only.”
well, I can’t speak for many of the VA elections, but I can tell you that George Allen was elected on 1 issue and 1 issue only: repealing the VA car tax. wouldn’t have mattered if Christ was in office, that was Allen’s ticket to Richmond (and the cause of the eventual collapse of the state budget … surprise, surprise).
so, it’s an interesting theory, but I don’t know that it holds water.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:24 am
Normal –
“USinUk, we are going to the one on 41 by Galleria, just a little south of Windy Hill…is that the one?”
nope – I was a Lockheed brat, so ours was the one up near Dobbins and the infamous Life Chiropractic college.
and I can’t believe that you, Bosch and I all had the same family treat!
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:24 am
Doggone,
Second thought. Maybe that’s a good analysis of the wingnut bs?
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:25 am
USinUK,
Did you get to go to Treasure Island afterward? That was the real treat!
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:25 am
Bosch – OMG … Treasure Island … I haven’t thought about that place in YEARS!!!
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2009
9:26 am
“WHOAAA!!! Hold up, not enough caffeine yet for that one”
let me see if I can make it easier!
white person votes for black person = self loathing
black person votes for black person = racist
white person votes for white person = racist
black person votes for white person = self loathing
Where is the room for someone who votes for the best person, regardless of skin color?
TGT
November 3rd, 2009
9:26 am
Kristol on implications for Dems in NY-23:
“Obama won NY-23 last year by five points. So in an open seat race this year, a Democrat should have a good shot. Indeed, that’s precisely why Obama plucked the popular Republican incumbent from the seat to be his Army secretary — Rahm thought it was a likely pick-up. Then the task got easier for the Democrat, Bill Owens, thanks to the fiasco of the Scozzafava pick, with all the in-fighting among Republicans that followed, culminating in her dropping out and endorsing the Democrat. So, among other consequences, the de facto Republican candidate has only the Conservative line, with the confusion that may entail for some GOP-inclined voters, and there have been a number of absentee ballots already cast by Republcians for Scozzafava.
If, after all that, Hoffman still beats the Democrat in this Obama+5 district — and if he does so precisely after running against Owens as a likely rubber-stamp vote for Pelosi on health care and other issues — doesn’t that send a shudder down the spine of all Democrats in competitive districts?
Here in America the people rule.
So, on Wednesday morning, don’t at least 40 Democrats march into the Speaker’s office and tell her to pull the bill?”
Also, Interesting take on NY-23 by Rasmussen:
“In many ways, that (Conservative Party vs. Dem.) pairing reflects the reality of national match-ups more than the typical partisan competition. There are more conservatives than Democrats in America, and there are more Democrats than Republicans.
One reason for this is that while Republican voters overwhelmingly consider themselves conservative, only 56% of conservative voters consider themselves to be Republicans. In other words, nearly half of all conservatives nationwide reject the Republican Party label.
This means that Republicans looking to broaden their party’s outreach cannot ignore the need to attract a large number of conservative voters along with some political moderates. Of all the non-Republicans in the nation, 31% consider themselves at least somewhat conservative while 37% say they’re political moderates.
The sweet spot for Republicans are core issues that unify conservatives while dividing more moderate voters.”
jt
November 3rd, 2009
9:28 am
I heard the EPA has been called out to combat the giant cloud of noxious fumes spouted by the millions of lawyers descending upon New Jersey.
Here is a video of Acorn workers storming a polling station this morning in New Jersey. Corzine has claimed that these guys were only voting absentee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ_rUmbQMf4
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2009
9:29 am
“Maybe that’s a good analysis of the wingnut bs?”
That’s how it seems to me too. WE are supposed to be the “racists” because we “inject race into the discussion” – but they AREN’T because THEY inject race into the discussion?
See, I just can’t wrap my head around what passes for their logic – it gives me a headache!
Paul
November 3rd, 2009
9:29 am
DoggoneGA
G’morning. [[Is there no room ANYWHERE for someone who is voting for the person they think is best for the job – REGARDLESS of skin color?]]
Sure! His name is “Barak Obama.” As in “President Barak Obama.” I think he got more than a few votes of Americans of different ethnic backgrounds.
Bosch
Hi! Hope you’re feeling better, and remember, a screwdriver is not an acceptable substitute for NyQuil. It’s an accompaniment.
V’s on tonight, ABC, 8pm Eastern time. And remember, beauty’s only skin deep and some of the prettiest are the biggest psycho whack jobs!
Oh yeah, the topic:
The Republican Hard Right will learn all the wrong lessons and proclaim that which is self serving. As usual.
I think the underlying concern for this for Democrats should be the way Independents break. The lesson is: President Barak Obama is not synonymous with “I like him as a person so I’ll vote Democratic” in the minds of many voters. And it’s getting more and more that way.
Normal
November 3rd, 2009
9:29 am
Yeah, I used that one too, as a kid, but I don’t think it’s there anymore. Haven’t been that way in a while though, so I’m not sure. I’ll check, since I’m leaving from work.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 3rd, 2009
9:29 am
Well, us Conservatives are good and mad. I just wish we had a election of Conservatives against Libruls down here in GA. It’s always Conservatives against Conservatives here. Except in the two districts where we packed all Those People in so they wouldn’t get too many seats in Congress. It gets kind of old listening to one Conservative call another Conservative a librul because he only wants to cut taxes 75% while the other one wants to get rid of them all.
Anyhow, I reckon this Mary Norwood will kick up a little dust today until the people in Atlanta wake up tomorrow and say, What the Heck, it looks like she’s White! We got to lay off of the crack on election day. Then they’ll vote one of their own into office in the run-off. Lester Maddox would of had a better chance of getting to be mayor of Atlanta than this Norwood woman will.
I’m like the others here. I don’t give a hoot in Heck who gets elected guvner of New Jersey or which New Yorker gets into Congress. Far as I’m concerned, it’s still one Yankee too many.
Anyhow, have a good day everybody.
Marsh
November 3rd, 2009
9:30 am
Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091103/pl_politico/29057
Can’t get much better than this…Republicans becoming more reactionary every day and embracing the crazy lunatics on the fringe, like Beck, the tea partiers, birthers…
Mrs. Godzilla
November 3rd, 2009
9:31 am
Oh pish tosh…..much ado about nothing.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:32 am
TGT –
“only 56% of conservative voters consider themselves to be Republicans. In other words, nearly half of all conservatives nationwide reject the Republican Party label”
thank you for this … this is why I have been saying for more than a week now that the Gallup poll doesn’t mean what a lot of GOPpers on this blog would like for it to mean.
nice to know that Rasmussen says the same.
josef nix
November 3rd, 2009
9:32 am
Well, while y’all are having fun with this one, I’ll actually be out voting! Still haven’t made up my mind and that’s, in my opinion, a good thing. Finally a slate of candidates for a public office that I don’t find myself going in to vote AGAINST somebody…Oh, happy day!
Joey
November 3rd, 2009
9:32 am
Doggone/GA (9:19);
There is plenty of room to vote for the person, but that does not mean that everyone or even most who vote are aware enough; or have invested the time; to evaluate and select the best person.
stands for decibels
November 3rd, 2009
9:33 am
on Wednesday morning, don’t at least 40 Democrats march into the Speaker’s office and tell her to pull the bill?
You guys can have your Nyquil and poncy screwdriver variants; I’ll have some of what Kristol Meth is snorting.
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:35 am
Mrs. G.,
“Oh pish tosh”
Is that Peter Tosh’s brother?
“
Just Say No
November 3rd, 2009
9:35 am
Bookman is making excuses and the votes are not even in yet today.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:36 am
Normal –
“Yeah, I used that one too, as a kid, but I don’t think it’s there anymore”
you have just described every trip home for me.
Paul
November 3rd, 2009
9:37 am
Marsh
For the record, Beck proclaims he’s a Libertarian. Not a conservative. Not a Republican. A Libertarian.
Like Ron Paul.
(I still think “Rue Paul” every time I hear that).
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2009
9:37 am
“Sure! His name is “Barak Obama.” As in “President Barak Obama.” I think he got more than a few votes of Americans of different ethnic backgrounds”
But by the logic presented here, weren’t all the white people who voted for him “self loathing” because they voted for the black candidate instead of the white one? That’s what has been said about the white voters who won’t vote for Norwood: “Norwood has the wrong skin color….self loathing leftist can’t bring themselves to vote for her….”
Finn McCool
November 3rd, 2009
9:38 am
speaking of restaurants in Cobb Cnty, how is Uncle Buds Catfish Chicken and Such? I heard it went down hill after it reopened – the prices went up and the quality of food went down.
did they turn it around?
Paul
November 3rd, 2009
9:39 am
sfd 9:33
I think the reference was to the 40 antiabortion Democrats who said they would not vote for a bill that contained provisions for federally funded abortions.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:41 am
Bosch – side note (and very vivid memory from my childhood) – bought the Benji soundtrack from Treasure Island (with my very own pocket money!!) … complete with Charlie Pride singing “I feel love”.
(sigh)
Paul
November 3rd, 2009
9:41 am
DoggoneGA
[[But by the logic presented here...]]
I love it when you begin your paragraphs with humor.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:42 am
Paul –
“40 antiabortion Democrats ”
hahaha … what 40 antiabortion democrats??? didn’t you read the blog yesterday??? the dems have purged all who aren’t pure of heart!!!
cuz I know you CAN’T be telling us that the Dems actually DO have a big tent!
Mrs. Godzilla
November 3rd, 2009
9:44 am
Here’s some fun….
A new Media Matters Website…..
http://mediamattersaction.org/transparency/
Marsh
November 3rd, 2009
9:44 am
Paul @ 9:37,
A nutjob to the nth degree is what he is. Or could be it’s an act, idiots watch and listen to him and he makes a whole lot of moola.
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:45 am
USinUK,
Benji!!! Awwww.
josef nix
November 3rd, 2009
9:45 am
Time to go eenie-meenie-minie-moe…back in a while…
Doggone/GA
November 3rd, 2009
9:46 am
“I love it when you begin your paragraphs with humor”
Yeah, there is that!
Normal
November 3rd, 2009
9:46 am
I’m sorry USinUK, didn’t mean to bring you down…
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:46 am
“Uncle Buds Catfish Chicken and Such”
the name doesn’t hold a candle to Fat Matt’s Rib Shack down on Piedmont. great name. great food. always packed.
Paul
November 3rd, 2009
9:47 am
USinUK
I believe that was the point I made yesterday – the Democratic Party doesn’t purge such candidates. Sure, there’s the one-offs like Lieberman, but that’s the exception, not the rule.
I also made the point, why should they? The Hard Left of the Party holds the reins of power in the House and the Senate. Are they representative of the Democratic Party? Nope, they’re part of it. So why go to the fuss of a battle they don’t need? They have bigger concerns, like protecting their own ethically-challenged members.
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:47 am
Marsh,
Or maybe it’s like how people look at wrecks when they pass by – you don’t want to, but you just can’t help it. Sometimes people can’t help looking at other’s misery.
Bosch
November 3rd, 2009
9:48 am
Paul,
“like protecting their own ethically-challenged members.”
Hey! I heard somewhere that Charlie Rangel’s a crook. Ya’ heard that?
Grumpy
November 3rd, 2009
9:49 am
NY 23 is not about a shift to the hard right. NY 23 is about people who are upset that both original candidates were “chosen” via backroom negotiations rather than via open voter primaries. Had there been a primary to pick the candidates, Hoffman might not be in the race today.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:50 am
Normal –
“I’m sorry USinUK, didn’t mean to bring you down…”
never!
I always feel sorry for the Mister when we do our annual pilgrimmage to the land of my birth … the majority of time is spent with me saying “this used to be woods, this used to be a pasture, when Cobb was dry, mom would drive us here so she could buy liquor … ”
“paved paradise and put up a shopping mall” always feel so appropriate
Paul
November 3rd, 2009
9:51 am
Marsh 9:44
My point about Beck was simply to identify him correctly. Because he’s on Fox many assume he’s a conservative Republican. He’s not. He’s the same as when he was on CNN (okay, maybe a bit more colorful). But he is a Libertarian.
BTW – he’s the one who’s latest schtick is “I lie? I lie?!!? Hey, here’s a phone with an unlisted number for the White House to call whenever I say something untrue. Like Van Jones thinks 9-11 was a Bush conspiracy. Please call me. Pleeeeeeese.”
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:52 am
paul –
“The Hard Left of the Party holds the reins of power in the House and the Senate”
may I make a suggestion: if you think Pelosi et al are “hard left”, you read a little more about European politics. Pelosi and her team are centrists. not center-left, centrists.
jconservative
November 3rd, 2009
9:54 am
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
9:22 am
My “speculation” on why Virginia always votes against the White House was just that, speculation. It was not, and is not, a “theory”.
But the “fact” remains that for 9 straight elections Virginia has elected a governor from the opposite party of the White House incumbent.
Paul
November 3rd, 2009
9:55 am
Bosch
Rangel’s a crook?!!?
I hadn’t heard that. I really hadn’t.
But I did hear Cheney makes a guest appearance in the first delegation off the V mother ship.
Paul
November 3rd, 2009
9:57 am
USinUK
Pelosi et al are not European politicians.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
10:00 am
jcons –
no argument with you on the facts … I’m jsut remembering Allen’s campaign and saying that resonated in a HUGE way with VA voters
Soothsayer
November 3rd, 2009
10:01 am
U.S. Medical Prices Highest In the World
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
10:02 am
Paul –
the political spectrum is the political spectrum, regardless of where you live – I’m saying that the view of what is “left” is skewed with a heavy bias towards the right.
Taxpayer
November 3rd, 2009
10:02 am
Well, if there are referendums on the ballots to cut taxes, how could a Republican resist. Now, get out there and do your constitutional some good. Say no to more government and more taxes and more of anything. In fact, for the office races, insist on an option to just plain eliminate that position in its entirety.
Marsh
November 3rd, 2009
10:02 am
Bosch @ 9:47,
Good point. But my favorite scenario is he’s a wacko.
Paul @ 9:51,
I’ve never really considered what he is…other than being a nut.
Marsh
November 3rd, 2009
10:06 am
Soothsayer @ 10:01,
Color me not surprised at all. And we rank, 43rd is it? in healthcare quality.
danjonglee
November 3rd, 2009
10:09 am
Sorry….Bad statement…Im just trying to figure out why the journalist and elite in Atlanta does not think Norwood is qualified but does think Kasim Reed is qualified.
pat
November 3rd, 2009
10:11 am
The thing to watch isn’t the importance of the races themselves, but the attention they are getting and the degree of passion involved. I sense their is a large portion of the population who are kicking themselves for 2008 and are itching for any ballot boxes to reopen to right the ship, so to speak.
What I do find interesting from a sociological perspective, is he dismissive egotisticalness on the left. Everything conservatives do doesn’t matter, is to little to late, is irrelevent. The Republicans were guilty of the same kind of hubris about 4-5 years ago. So my advise to you is to keep it up. There is nothing to see here, don’t look, just a bunch of dumb conservatives screaming about nothing.
And don’t worry about 2010, there is no way the conservatism will win, you don’t even have to go to the polls, they are doomed I tell you!
Paul
November 3rd, 2009
10:11 am
USinUK
And if you want to see a conservative, look to the Islamic theocracies. Or Islamic
I don’t think there are many American voters who think “what do they have in Belgium” when considering how far Left American politicians are. Or who consider Islamic fundamentalist Kings when considering how far Right American conservatives are.
Marsh
Okay, so Beck’s a Libertarian nut.
But I’d still like people to post what he says they consider nutty and then refute it. I think he’d take the point he’s not nutty – he just embarrasses the administration by asking questions others don’t on a forum with wide viewership.
Not saying I’m a fan – just making observations.
Angry Black Man
November 3rd, 2009
10:12 am
NRBee
I thought they were attacking Norwood because she was a Republican. I never saw her do a commercial defending the fact that she’s white, but I did see the one where she’s defending her Democratic association.
Doggone
I guess I’m self-loathing since I’m hoping Ms. Mary pulls a rabbit out of the hat today.
Angry Black Man
November 3rd, 2009
10:16 am
Common Sense
If you’re here now, I wasn’t trying to diminish the training for becoming a fighter pilot. What I was saying on the previous post was that danger changes for people depending on the perspective. For me, there’s no way in h-e-l-l that I could be a firefighter. I define insanity as running into a building knowing it is on fire. However, if I had to, I’d have no problem running into a gunfight. I see danger in both, but because of training and experiences, I see less danger with the gunfight than the fire.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
10:18 am
Paul –
“I don’t think there are many American voters who think “what do they have in Belgium” when considering how far Left American politicians are. Or who consider Islamic fundamentalist Kings when considering how far Right American conservatives are”
I think you’re absolutely right – (americans are notorious for their ignorance of most things going on in the world at large). however, that doesn’t mean that Pelosi is a rabid leftist when, in truth, she’s closer to the center. in other words, just cuz people scream “socialist” doesn’t make it so any more than calling Bush a fascist made it so.
USinUK
November 3rd, 2009
10:21 am
pat –
“Everything conservatives do doesn’t matter, is to little to late, is irrelevent.”
wring your crying towel out and let it air dry …
no one is saying that everything conservatives do is irrelevent … we’re just saying that it isn’t THE. MOST. IMPORTANT. THING. EVAH.
not that you’d appreciate the subtle difference.
Turd Ferguson
November 3rd, 2009
10:27 am
Thanks Pat! And now something from the lighter side…today a Malaysian volcano erupted killing 56000 people with another estimated 32000 being unaccounted for. Back to you John…
Paul
November 3rd, 2009
10:27 am
USinUK
Didn’t say socialist. Said hard Left.
How’s this? Compared to European politicians, the Pelosis likely are more to the moderate. In American politics, within the Democratic Party, the Pelosis fall more to the left of the liberal spectrum.
Taxpayer
November 3rd, 2009
10:27 am
I just know that I’m looking forward to voting for John McCain in the Republican primaries in 2012. He should skip Palin the next time around and pick Bachmann instead though. Now, there’s a pair that really represents the face of the Republican party — dirty old white men and their concubines. Well, maybe not all of the Republican party. After all, I wouldn’t want to be accused of appropriately labeling groups of like-minded people or some such thang just because of the existence of a few outliers. Then again, outliers are outliers, as in not like the group as a whole.
stands for decibels
November 3rd, 2009
10:28 am
I guess I’m self-loathing since I’m hoping Ms. Mary pulls a rabbit out of the hat today.
Shock! Horror!
What I mean is… I figure that after one has had several opportunities to vote for a member of your previously-disenfranchised group, the identity politics becomes less relevant. I.e., you’re not so likely to vote for (say) a Kennedy just because you’re Catholic, or (say) Hillary just because you’re female, if you have already had a half dozen opportunities to vote for such a candidate in the past.
I can’t say for sure, but I’d imagine that’s what goes on in the minds of African-American voters in mayoral races like Atlanta’s. Sure, identity politics still plays a role and will continue to for the foreseeable future, but I don’t imagine it’s as critically important as it once was.
Marsh
November 3rd, 2009
10:28 am
Paul @ 10:11,
I can’t recall a thing he’s said that I don’t consider nutty.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 3rd, 2009
10:31 am
Conservative Party NY-23 candidate Doug Hoffman was approached last night by Watertown Daily Times reporter Jude Seymour, and asked about Rush Limbaugh’s joke that Republican ex-candidate Dede Scozzafava, who dropped out and endorsed Democrat Bill Owens, was “guilty of widespread bestiality. She has screwed every RINO in the country.” Hoffman laughed, and refused to condemn it.
“I don’t know. I have to interpret it first. (Laughter) I don’t know. That’s Rush Limbaugh. I don’t think I can comment to that,” said Hoffman. When pressed further about whether he would denounce it, he said: “No, I don’t denounce it. I just heard it this second. Do you want to read it to me again?”
When it was read again to him, Hoffman had no comment.
FROM TPM
Lovely man that Rush……