Iran has another hero, this one still living, in Mahmoud Vahidnia
Dissidents in Iran have a new hero in Mahmoud Vahidnia, a deceptively mild-looking math student at Sharif University in Tehran.
During a meeting last week between Sharif students and Supreme Leader Ali Khameini, Vahidnia raised his hand to ask a question. Asked to step forward to the microphone, he confronted Khameini and the Iran theocracy, directly criticizing the government’s handling of the recent election and its suppression of dissent and criticism. Vahidnia reportedly spoke for 20 minutes, without notes, in a confrontation that initially was broadcast live by Iranian television. (Not surprisingly, the broadcast ended suddenly a few minutes into his presentation.)
Although things are a bit unclear, the latest reports suggest that Vahidnia has not yet been arrested. Regardless of his fate, it was a remarkable act of courage, a statement as powerful in its way as that made 20 years ago by the unknown man who stood before a line of tanks at Tiananmen Square.
(The most complete version of the event that I’ve been able to find is here.)
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Brad Steel
November 2nd, 2009
4:19 pm
gutsy dude.
Bud Wiser
November 2nd, 2009
4:20 pm
Stoning, hanging, beheading, or just disappearing…..
So many choices for the Islamic fascists.
Bud Wiser
November 2nd, 2009
4:21 pm
Oh I don’t know, Al Gore just had a questioner’s microphone cut off recently when he was asking a question about the farce known as global warming.
Maybe they should just ask themselves “What would Al do?”
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
4:25 pm
Yes, looks can be deceiving. What does a courageous person look like? Just like Mr. Vahidnia.
What does a brutal tyrant look like? Like anyone. What do they wear? Anything. The ones in the clerics’ robes are among the worse.
Mr. Vahidnia’s courage is sobering. But more like him is what it’s going to take to get that society to change. Religious wars are always the bloodiest and most brutal.
Normal
November 2nd, 2009
4:28 pm
Just saw my first “Palin 2012″ bumper sticker going down Bells Ferry. It was on a Beemer too.
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
4:29 pm
Normal
Words fail me…
Normal
November 2nd, 2009
4:30 pm
Wanted to post this downstairs, but…oh well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z3ad7V30ZU
Angry Black Man
November 2nd, 2009
4:30 pm
He gets my vote for Cajones of the Year award!!
Angry Black Man
November 2nd, 2009
4:30 pm
Normal
You’re late. The’ve been floating around here for a while.
Brad Steel
November 2nd, 2009
4:31 pm
Bud Wiser,
Reassuring to see your pulling for your “Islamist fascists” (hmm, wonder where you got that phrase? I think someone has an transistor AM radio)
Normal
November 2nd, 2009
4:31 pm
This one is one I missed yesterday…gotta pay…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76ohvqwsNkk&feature=related
pat
November 2nd, 2009
4:32 pm
He’s got a pair! To bad he is a dead man. Many of the protesters have suffered greatly, I see this as no different. He is alive for now, as soon as the spotlight moves he’s a goner.
My condolences Mahmoud Vahidnia you were a brave, brave man.
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
4:33 pm
Good afternoon, ABM
Saw your post downstairs.
Texas is still gonna take it all –
Top three’s really meaningless. I do think ‘Bama’s been doing a better job than the Tebow adulation committee, though.
Jay
November 2nd, 2009
4:41 pm
For those who want to know more, the most complete account I can find is available at http://homylafayette.blogspot.com/2009/10/student-criticizes-khamenei-at-official.html
F. Sinkwich
November 2nd, 2009
4:42 pm
Too bad Obama doesn’t show that same kind of courage when dealing with our ememies like Iran.
Wuss.
Midori
November 2nd, 2009
4:45 pm
Yeah, Sinkwich – Obama should show REAL guts just like Bush did.
Who do you suppose he should invade? Timbuktu?
Normal
November 2nd, 2009
4:48 pm
F. Sinkwich, make sure you join the Marines and get a front row seat when we invade…please.
josef nix
November 2nd, 2009
4:48 pm
NORMAL–
Great minds! I had been looking for a chance to post both and you beat me to it…I won’t ever forget when “Mr. Businessman” cam out…was this really the same guy who did “Ahab, the Arab?” Well, yes…
QUESTION:
Where’s Mahmoud Vahidnia’s Nobel? Wouldn’t it be a great man who would decline the prize and say it belongs to him instead?
Matilda
November 2nd, 2009
4:48 pm
POWER TO THE PEOPLE! **up goes M’s fist**
mike
November 2nd, 2009
4:52 pm
“Obama should show REAL guts just like Bush did”
Well, at least Bush served.
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November 2nd, 2009
4:52 pm
He is an enemy of Obozo’s, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
How dare he mess with the thugacracy when our “president” is so close to being in his back pocket.
The nerve of this guy.
Normal
November 2nd, 2009
4:52 pm
I guess it’s a good thing that Jay doesn’t have a secret police, huh?
—————–
Josef, Sometimes I just let my mean streak go…
Normal
November 2nd, 2009
4:55 pm
Sorry Mike, BUSH may have joined the Alabama National Guard (and just how does someone from Texas get to join the Alabama Guard), but he didn’t serve…
Matilda
November 2nd, 2009
4:55 pm
Mike, you wish.
Angry Black Man
November 2nd, 2009
4:58 pm
Paul
Your earlier post would be considered blasphemy in my household.
I like your sensibility, though, so I won’t hold it against you. If it ends up Texas and Bama for the title, all bets are off. I’m hoping we don’t suck wind this weekend.
RW-(the original)
November 2nd, 2009
5:03 pm
I guess this is one of those people yearning for freedom that Obama will soon be gracing our airwaves to stand with.
/Except that he won’t because he only pays lip service to meaning that.
Normal
November 2nd, 2009
5:03 pm
ABM, If The Bear is reall the patron saint of ‘Bama, they will take it all this year. I just want to see them crush Florida…I’m thinkin’ like 105 to 0, you know?
Common Sense
November 2nd, 2009
5:04 pm
Ah, the wonderful world of Islam.
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
5:04 pm
Jay
Thank you for the link. After all the understanding comments by Khameini, what really mattered was the last line in the article: “According to Mowjeh Sabzeh Azadi, Vahidnia was confronted by intelligence agents after the ceremony.”
ABM,
As much as I’d like to see that game, I’d like to see FL taken down a notch. Then again, if it was Texas and ‘Bama, FL would’ve already been taken down, eh?
BTW: I’m still laughing over that “Love From Above” image. Heck, I’ll donate all the paint those bomb handlers need!
Midori
November 2nd, 2009
5:06 pm
what did he serve Mike?
other than a plastic turkey?
Angry Black Man
November 2nd, 2009
5:07 pm
Normal
I believe if someone put The Bear’s name on the ballot for Governor in Alabama, he’d still win in a landslide. If we get by LSU, I’d love nothing more but to serve gator tail here at the Dome.
Angry Black Man
November 2nd, 2009
5:11 pm
Paul
I talked to an Airman last week. He smiled when I asked him about that. He said he’d forward it up his chain of command. I told him I’d like to see bright yellow smiley faces on the tip of the Tomahawks with Betty Boop sitting in a heart with the message on the side.
Dusty
November 2nd, 2009
5:15 pm
Oh no…not already!!
JUST LIKE BUSH DID. Thank you, Midori
Liberals kill originality..
OK Who’s next? HATE THAT CHENEY!!! There’s your sign ! sign sign sign sign !!!!!!
Meanwhile……
Bookman gives us a brave man. A very brave man, not willing to let the government take over his choices.
Long live the brave and the free!! We know there’s a brave one in Iran. We know they serve in our military. Be thankful for brave men and women wherever they are. .Godspeed, Mahmoud Vahidnia.
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
5:17 pm
Okay, I’ll have a go. Thought it might have come up by now.
We saw the courage of a young man speaking truth as he saw it. We see the response. What does the world see from the US in this regard?
A few days ago Dana Perino made the following observation on the Administration vs Fox News broohaha (BTW, Luckovich has a great cartoon today on the topic):
“everyone across the world watches and listens to everything that the White House is saying.
Through our State Department, we are trying to help emerging democracies get journalists and government officials to talk to one another, because freedom of the press is essential to any democracy. Believe me, they are watching this, and they have — surely are raising questions.
And the next time we go to them and say, “You want to make sure that you have reporters covering this,” they’ll say, “Why should we do that? You don’t.”
Yes, the world watches even those events we think are for domestic consumption. And I’m not sure the message they get is always the message we’d like them to get.
Nothing Is Free
November 2nd, 2009
5:18 pm
BNud Wiser
**“What would Al do?”**
Now THAT’S funny.
Pogo
November 2nd, 2009
5:18 pm
This gentleman, unlike the 60’s liberal radical-posers on this blog has something real to lose for speaking his mind, and that is his life. He didn’t state this from the comfort of his bedroom in front of a computer like the bad arses on here do. He did it for real. This is a brave man. I hope he isn’t eliminated by the Muslim Mullahs.
Obama shouldn’t invade anyone. He hasn’t the brain or the backbone for it. The only thing that he seems to be really good at invading is working peoples bank accounts.
November 3rd is the beginning of the end for the short lived American Socialistic Experiment (or at least the advancement of the ASE beyond present levels). Blue dog domination until 2010 and then???
Don’t be confused by the terms “Conservative” and “GOP”. They are not one and the same. Of course, all us conservatives are non-book reading/bible thumping/gun toting neanderthals, isn’t that right? Keep on fooling yourselves morons.
Taxpayer
November 2nd, 2009
5:21 pm
Do you see what we have to look forward to now that we have annointed a suprem leader. Why! Why didn’t we heed the cries of Limbaugh and Bachmann when we had the chance. WHY!!!! We’re doomed.
Angry Black Man
November 2nd, 2009
5:22 pm
Iran has more than one Mahmoud Vahidnia. In talking with people who are originally from Iran and have traveled back home since the election, there’s a sense of fustration brewing with the younger generation. It may be that they’re so young that they don’t know the past or they don’t care about the past arrocities their government is responsible for. Whether you call it courage or foolish courage, I don’t think we’ve seen the last of it. Unless Iran is developing nukes to use on their own people, there may be an uprising in their near future.
kayaker 71
November 2nd, 2009
5:27 pm
One of the better columns in recent history came from Peggn Noonan, a moderate Republican who writes for the Wall Street Journal. Titled, “We Are Governed by Callous Children, Americans feel increasingly disheartened and our leaders don’t even notice”, She is not very optimistic about the future of our country as we have known it. Says that too many of us have sat idley by and watched the destruction of our basic fabric without uttering a single word. We know that that is true with our Congress and our elected officials, whether you are a Bush or a Bozo fan doesn’t really matter. It seems that both have contributed to a steady slide downhill. We continue to blame each other and those we back in the political spectrum for where we are but you know what?…… it isn’t really their fault…. it is our own for being so complacent. Billions of dollars spent on a war we cannot win….. trillions of dollars borrowed for stimuli which we really don’t need …. and we staunchly defend these actions as legitiment. Our new spin is spend what you can to get ahead, no matter whether or not you can afford it….. give me instant satiation for what I want….. and look to the government for help when the responsibility for my actions catches up with my mistakes. No wonder Peggy Noonan is so pessimistic.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 2nd, 2009
5:27 pm
Saw this on the other thread-
The mountain’s ice cover shrank about 1 percent a year from 1912 to 1953, a rate that has accelerated in recent years. From 1989 to 2007, that rate jumped to 2.5 percent a year. Since 2000, the plateau’s three remaining ice fields have shrunk by 26 percent, scientists found.
And then you think, which seems to be a solely Conservative activity, for just a few seconds-
While eruptions are unheard of in recent times, Kibo is classified as being dormant rather than extinct, as anybody who visits the inner Reusch Crater can testify. A strong sulphur smell still rises from the crater, the earth is hot to touch, preventing ice from forming, while occasionally fumaroles escape from the Ash Pit that lies at its heart.
Is there anything a liberal will not lie about?
AmVet
November 2nd, 2009
5:28 pm
It’s a well know fact that the youth in Iran are unhappy. Who the hell wouldn’t be with those religious nutjobs in charge?
But we might a well bomb them to kingdom come too.
It’s the Christian thing to do…
josef nix
November 2nd, 2009
5:31 pm
PAUL–
I am by no means a fan per se of Fox. It is well to the right of my own political and social perspective. But as a left liberal I am highly disturbed by the administration’s attempt to muzzle the network. Had they “gotten by with” this, how long would it be before others would meet the same fate? The very idea that such would be even considered speaks to something unsettling and deserving of a cold, hard second look.
Yo'mama Obama
November 2nd, 2009
5:32 pm
“Iran has another hero, this one still living”……
Yes his name is Grand Sultan Barack Hussein Obama el-Amriki Abdullah Abdullah Imagonnataxyou
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
5:32 pm
In a perverse way, this could be the type of event that hardens Iranian determination to acquire nukes.
Regimes in danger often create an external threat to divert attention from domestic difficulties and unite the people. What provokes the West more than Iranian threat of nuclear capability? Any response – from sanctions to military – could be just the sort of action the mullahs would want to retain their grip on power and give them the excuse for an internal crackdown. And it may very well cause some who would agitate for change to back down while their country faces an external threat.
Nothing’s ever simple.
DoggoneGA
November 2nd, 2009
5:33 pm
“Well, at least Bush served”
but he was better at golf than at tennis
@@
November 2nd, 2009
5:34 pm
Mr. Vahidnia — ‘Do our radio and television networks present a true picture of the world and our country, or a false and caricature-like picture?’ Vahidnia asked. ‘Does state radio-television allow different opinions to defend themselves? Opinions which are criticized and even attacked in this same media outlet? Does state radio-television quote individuals and describe events in an honest and fair manner?’
And the Ayatollah’s response sounded very much like what Obama and his administration said about FOX. Only difference is Obama wouldn’t accept the criticism. That’s scary.
But in response to the student’s question about the accuracy of the state media’s portrayal of the country, Khamenei while agreeing with the criticism, turned it on its head and made the strange observation that, ‘The picture is incomplete. There are many noteworthy and great advances that Iranian radio and television do not show. [...] If radio-television could properly reflect the truth in the country, in the same way that the television in this or that western country can portray lies as truth by employing great experience and through artistic exploitation, the young generation would have much greater devotion to its country, its religion, and the regime of the Islamic Republic.’
YIKES!
I appeal to Mr. Vahidnia’s, Allah, that he not be a dead man walking.
josef nix
November 2nd, 2009
5:35 pm
ABM–
If we recall, one woman simply saying “no” in Montgomery gave millions the courage.
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
5:36 pm
josef nix
Still out of step with your ideological mates, eh?
But there are always larger issues at play. What you cited is one… even though many protest ‘but Fox is different. What you describe could never happen here.”
As Ms Perino noted, how does the US have the moral authority to say to the Iranians or anyone else. “Let the dissidents be heard! Change the leadership of radio and tv to get more opposing views broadcast!”
while the mullahs answer, “you’re kidding, right? Those guys are our version of Fox.”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 2nd, 2009
5:37 pm
Plenty of reasons exist for suspecting absentee fraud may play a significant role in tomorrow’s Garden State contests. Groups associated with Acorn in neighboring Pennsylvania and New York appear to have moved into the state. An independent candidate for mayor in Camden has already leveled charges that voter fraud is occurring in his city. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party in New Jersey is taking advantage of a new loosely written vote-by-mail law to pressure county clerks not to vigorously use signature checks to evaluate the authenticity of absentee ballots, the only verification procedure allowed.
The state has received a flood of 180,000 absentee ballot requests. On some 3,000 forms the signature doesn’t match the one on file with county clerks.-WallStreetJournal
Of course Corzine will “win,” and our country will be so much “better off” because of it.
Oh I’m sorry, I meant to say that we have a disease eating away at our democracy and it needs to be eradicated.
Normal
November 2nd, 2009
5:38 pm
Josef, I thought that perhaps Nada was going to be their Rosa Parks, but maybe this guy will be their Martin King Jr.
@@
November 2nd, 2009
5:42 pm
Kinda on topic.
This administration has spent the greater majority of its ten months back peddling on previous statements.
The U.S. Embassy in Kabul has already issued a congratulatory note to Karzai for his “victory in this historic election,” adding that the United States looks forward to working with him and his new administration in efforts “to support Afghanistan’s progress toward institutional reforms, security and prosperity.” The United States now has little choice but to shift gears and rebrand Karzai as a credible U.S. partner.
Washington earlier made no secret of its disillusionment with Karzai, his renewed alliances with Afghanistan’s top warlords and his corrupt practices. By issuing a series of leaks concerning Karzai and his brother’s links to Afghanistan’s illicit poppy trade, the U.S. administration had signaled that it was willing to burn bridges with Karzai and consider Abdullah as an alternative partner. — STRATFOR
I find it hard to believe that Obama is as good a poker player as he claims. How can he be….he’s not playing with a full deck in my opinion.
George Friedman, founder of STRATFOR has this video on site where he talks about the problems facing Obama. Friedman always exhibits respect for the burdens any U.S. President carries. I’m sensing a guarded frustration in this latest video. Paraphrased:
He talks about Obama’s piecemeal approach to foreign policy. While virtuous he’s not sure how it will play out. Iran’s Iran. Afghanistan’s Afghanistan. Poland’s Poland, and Russia’s Russia.
I see these as competing interests….some linked, some separate. Obama’s leaving loose ends everywhere.
The strange situation of watching Joe Biden making some very cutting attacks on the Russians recently — calling on the Eastern Europeans to join the U.S. in supporting pro-western governments in the former Soviet Union, while at the same time looking to the Russians to cooperate with the U.S. on sanctions on Iran.
While people are ready to jump in and say he doesn’t know what he’s doing, and his supporters are ready to say what a marvelous person he is, the truth of the matter is it is NOT clear what he is doing…it may well be that he has something in mind that he hasn’t revealed, but he is certainly running out of time to reveal it.
In Iran and Afghanistan, he’s approaching a choice he can’t avoid and doing nothing IS a choice. When it comes to Iran, if he chooses to do nothing, it’ll cost him allies and support from the majority of Americans.
I can’t say, for sure, that Friedman is frustrated…I just know I am.
The world awaits while Little O twiddles.
Angry Black Man
November 2nd, 2009
5:42 pm
josef
Amazing, isnt it? And you’re spot on with Fox. I don’t understand the bickering. Let them report what they want to. The way I see it, and it’s very evident from reading this blog on the regular, no two people can see the exact same incident and come away with the same exact opinion about it. That’s what makes us humans. We have varying degrees of insight and intellect, so it’s natural for us to see things differently. But what do I know, I’m just an Angry Black Man. I don’t know diddly squat.
AmVet
November 2nd, 2009
5:42 pm
Dip wad, that is not the reason for the “sudden” evaporation of entire glacial sheets on Kilamanjaro.
Do you no think if that WERE the case every major recognized scientific organzation of excellence would have determined that?
Show us even one organization that confirms that stupidity.
Go ahead and take your time, thinking man.
Yeah Bush served. Cocktails to the wh0res in Montgomery maybe.
And the ChickenConned could care less why he lost his flight status, and whether he fulfilled the requirements of his military service contract during the Vietnam War.
While they were busy spitting on men like John McCain, Chuck Hagel, Max Cleland, Tom Daschle, Charles Rangel, Bob Kerry, Fritz Hollings, Gray Davis, Wesley Clark, George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Lloyd Bensen, John Kerry, John Glenn, James Carville, a.k.a. “Corporal Cueball” and Jim Webb among others.
What a laugh…
@@
November 2nd, 2009
5:43 pm
Last two paragraphs are mine.
Stoopid aps.
AmVet
November 2nd, 2009
5:43 pm
Duhng, that is not the reason for the “sudden” evaporation of entire glacial sheets on Kilamanjaro.
Do you no think if that WERE the case every major recognized scientific organization of excellence would have determined that?
Show us even one organization that confirms that stupidity.
Go ahead and take your time, thinking man.
Yeah Bush served. Cocktails to his “lady friends” in Montgomery maybe.
And the ChickenConned could care less why he lost his flight status, and whether he fulfilled the requirements of his military service contract during the Vietnam War.
While they were busy spitting on men like John McCain, Chuck Hagel, Max Cleland, Tom Daschle, Charles Rangel, Bob Kerry, Fritz Hollings, Gray Davis, Wesley Clark, George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Lloyd Bensen, John Kerry, John Glenn, James Carville, a.k.a. “Corporal Cueball” and Jim Webb among others.
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November 2nd, 2009
5:50 pm
Do you no think if that WERE the case every major recognized scientific organzation of excellence would have determined that?
OK, AmWet, It’ll be alright, I’m sure that global temperatures not increasing at all the last decade is causing the ice to melt more rapidly, it happens all the time with me.
You and CNN, bastion of the righteous truth that they are, may not be privy to the information that volcanoes are like real hot and can actually melt ice, go figure.
duh
josef nix
November 2nd, 2009
5:50 pm
PAUL–
My fellow liberals are still wearing their rose-colored glasses, cheering on the latest pronouncement from the balcony of the Casa Rosada and calling ever so loudly to exorcise the voice of dissent. It is why I question their commitment to liberalism, an ideology which is supposed to protect those voices even when they come from the conservative side of the aisle. I keep bringing it up, but the poster who called for burning Palin’s book truly disturbed me and, apparently, I am the only one among those on the left who read into that the antithesis of what liberalism is all about…
NORMAD–I would put Nada in a different category, a martyr. I’m not sure who their Dr. King will be and, really, I don’t think they’re there yet. But the day is coming.
@@
November 2nd, 2009
5:50 pm
At the top of this page:
“I got ripped in 4 weeks”
Well, as a taxpayer, I got ripped off in the last 12 months.
That guy on the right? He’s gotta be gettin’ waxed.
@@
November 2nd, 2009
5:53 pm
Whoa! Mr. droopy drawers misappeared.
Jay
November 2nd, 2009
5:55 pm
So what exactly has Obama done to “silence” or “muzzle” Fox?
Criticize its coverage? Deny it an interview or two?
Muzzling the press is an extremely serious act that I would never take less than seriously. But trying to pretend that Obama’s reaction to Fox amounts to or even moves slightly toward censorship is simply ridiculous.
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
5:56 pm
josef nix
I’ll lay a bet: there won’t be a defense from those you cited in your 5:50. Most of them are strangely absent.
@@
Good current and past couple of Stratfor articles. I think I might get why we have one or two peanut gallery types here – the analyses don’t follow the “our guy good, your guy bad” construct they are so comfortable with.
Angry Black Man
November 2nd, 2009
5:56 pm
Time to work on dinner. Check in with y’all later.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 2nd, 2009
5:56 pm
Also, recent data from Kilimanjaro show temperatures on the 19,340-foot volcano never rise above freezing. So melting triggered by a warmer atmosphere can’t be the reason the small summit ice sheet is retreating about 3 feet a year, said Georg Kaser, co-author of the new article and a glaciologist at the University of Innsbruck in Austria.-Seattle Times
AmVet
November 2nd, 2009
5:57 pm
Duhng, where are those organizations I asked you to list that corroborate that stupidity?
C’mon man, not even one? Not a single solitary loon?
Nothing in anthropology, archaeology, botany, climatology, ecology, geochemistry, geochronology, geography, geology, geomorphology, geophysics, hydrology, limnology, meteorology, neotectonics, oceanography, paleontology, palynology, soil science, and zoology?
Surely you “overlooked” this enormous amount of incontrovertible data!
Keep on researching duhng, I’m sure you’ll find mountains (get it?) of top notch information…
You HeadRush coward…
Dusty
November 2nd, 2009
5:59 pm
Well, whatwouldyou know……
Now we learn that being a member of the National Guard is not serving. I bet those in the Guard will be surprised at that, ’specially those overseas.
What does it take to “serve” these days” Waiting on tables and the like? Must be since a trained military pilot is not “serving”.
Sounds like tripe being “served” here today.
@@
November 2nd, 2009
6:00 pm
Maybe he’s not silencing FOX, jay….just discounting it at his peril.
Works for me.
Taxpayer
November 2nd, 2009
6:01 pm
Oh pleezzzzz, Supreme Leader Obama, do not silence Foxy News. They know not what they do. Oh Pleeeezzz! Just give them fifty lashes instead.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 2nd, 2009
6:01 pm
In 2000 the Furtwangler glacier was drilled for core samples and found to be saturated with water. Some scientists attribute blame this melting on volcanic vents melting the base of the glacier. The explosive collapse of a large section of the front of this glacier was probably due to high water pressure.
The Furtwangler Glacier will probably continue to disappear in massive chunks. The rest of the ice on Kilimanjaro ice will also disappear (though probably less dramatically). It seems apparent that Mount Kilimanjaro went through a warm period and previously lost much of its ice, consequently it becomes difficult to justify using Mt Kilimanjaro as a case for the consequences of human influences on global temperatures.-warmingglobal.org
RW-(the original)
November 2nd, 2009
6:02 pm
If y’all don’t mind me injecting this here, the girl’s name was Neda and we should really have her actions and her name seared into our memory.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I was talking to a manmade global warming moonbat today, perhaps it was even one of you here. When I asked them for their proof that it wasn’t cyclical s/he told me to go home and watch the evening weather report. There I would find a that the all time record high and record low temperatures for the day had all occurred within the last hundred years or so.
Sadly they were serious.
DoggoneGA
November 2nd, 2009
6:02 pm
“So what exactly has Obama done to “silence” or “muzzle” Fox?”
You beat me to it! I’m wondering the same thing. Is it now time to claim that the administration cannot even CRITICIZE the media, or any portion of it?
@@
November 2nd, 2009
6:02 pm
Another thing, jay….every tyrant needs time to work his “magic”. It’s liberals that keep demanding patience.
I’ve run out when it comes to Obama.
kayaker 71
November 2nd, 2009
6:05 pm
Bookman,
Presidents are above this sort of thing, or should be. They chose to be in the political spectrum. In a free country, you are free to publish your rants as well as those of us who do not agree with you but appreciate the fact that you are free to do it, no matter what others may say. We sort of like to see our President in a different light…. a little above the frey. But true narcissists like Bozo just can’t stand to accept the fact that someone doesn’t like him. When Beck is responsible for deposing one of his “Czars”, it addles him, no, best said, it infuriates him. It’s hot in the White House…. he just can’t stand the heat, plain and simple. He is in way over his head and as the months go by, it becomes increasingly obvious that this is true. His numbers are tanking, his image is not what the 52% thought it might be and America has been duped.
@@
November 2nd, 2009
6:06 pm
My feet are a good indicator of global warming. Right now they’re like two blocks of ice that won’t melt.
josef nix
November 2nd, 2009
6:06 pm
JAY–did they are did they not exclude Fox from the conferences and did or did not the liberal press put up a howl against it? And please note that I have used such termninolgy as “foray into…” To exclude a mainstream news organization from “a conference or two” is a foray…
I do notice you can use the R word but we can’t…
Taxpayer
November 2nd, 2009
6:08 pm
Actually, Foxy News did more to damage itself than a thousand Supreme Leaders could have ever hoped to accomplish and they did it in less than an hour. They invited Limbaugh on and let him run his mouth. He pretty much sounded like a female impersonator doing a Sarah Palin routine, without the lipstick, of course.
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 2nd, 2009
6:10 pm
Very courageous and I give Vahidnia a much better chance to head to prison than Ryan has of being sacked in 4 hours.
Bush stupidly failed to take advantage of the fact that 2/3 of people under 30 in Iran are pro-Western.
Speaking of chickenhawks Cheney claimed he didn’t recall 72 times in his interviews on his guilt in the case where Shooter let Libby take the fall and couldn’t stop his conviction. Cheney completely fooked Libby with Fitzgerald because he lied and didn’t think Judy Miller would be forced to testify, and then Shooter couldn’t get his lying testimony back. No wonder Cheney begged Bushie to pardon Libby and White House Counsel showed Bush what an ass Cheney had been and the one decent thing Bush did was to refuse to pardon Libby. Too bad he commuted the schlump.
Thanks to the stupid Repubos who poured a million bucks into a candidate who is supporting the Democrat in NY23 that they later ran out of the race. Thanks for the million bucks, chumps. No Dem has held the seat in about 140 years.
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
6:10 pm
Jay
I realize your post may be directed towards several. I’ve not used language such as ‘muzzle’ – my concern has been more of what’s appropriate for a president – the appearance – and now, with this thread topic, how that can be perceived and played in countries where we are trying to get more dissent expressed, not less.
Is not denying or attempting to deny coverage, denying interviews, a form of attempting to muzzle or limit? If the CEO of a company told certain irritating shareholders they could not attend the annual meeting, or if they could, they could ask all the questions they wanted, but they would not be acknowledged, would that be attempting to limit the voices?
Again, for me, it’s not an issue of censorship. But shunning all in an organization (the press pool fiasco) as well as shunning the Wallaces, the van Susterens, the Garretts because of the antics of the Hannitys and the Becks? Justified or not, by its act it comes off as petty, beneath the dignity of the president. Maybe I can’t recall, but I can’t recall similar public pronouncement by past presidents, whether LBJ or Nixon (Agnews general broadsides nothwithstanding).
The view outside the US – how others from different backgrounds and cultures – view this is the other concern. Do they get the nuance? Do they understand the legal and traditional impediments to carrying it to far? Or is all they see is “Obama is trying to silence his critics. Just like us.”
DoggoneGA
November 2nd, 2009
6:10 pm
“Presidents are above this sort of thing”
So are you saying that when a media outlet lies about the administration, lies about the people in it, lies about the bills being debated in Congress the President should be “above” commenting on it? I don’t think so. Free speech doesn’t end at the White House door.
Taxpayer
November 2nd, 2009
6:12 pm
How many of you global warming ‘experts’ onhere even understand the currently accepted causes for the cyclic cooling and warming trends that the earth has been subjected to for at least the last 500,000 years. Just curious to find out how much reading you bloggers really do.
josef nix
November 2nd, 2009
6:14 pm
RW–@ 6:02 Oops! I stand corrected and chastised. Thank you for making that point.
kayaker 71
November 2nd, 2009
6:14 pm
Taxpayer,
It might not be what you want to hear but it is dissent. You might not agree with it but it is the right of those on the distaff side of a debate to have an opinion. Despite your trendy responses, and your tricky rhetoric, it is still dissent. Would you have it any other way?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 2nd, 2009
6:17 pm
Planned Parenthood Leader Resigns After Watching Ultrasound of Abortion Procedure, “I just thought I can’t do this anymore, and it was just like a flash that hit me and I thought that’s it.”
She used to not know what she was talking about.
josef nix
November 2nd, 2009
6:18 pm
I have no problem with President Obama challenging Fox and its reporting critical of his administration. He should. That’s answering their charges. BUT you do it face to face. You bring them in and tell them just what it is they are misrepresenting.
Dusty
November 2nd, 2009
6:18 pm
Jay Bookman,
Does it ever occur to you that some of us think that the president should be more interested in the affairs of government instead of trying to temper the script of TV News ? I thought we elected him to handle the “biggies”.
TV News may be top priority for you but it surely does not rate over a half dozen BIG problems sitting on the horizon. Maybe you should have a one-on-one conference on priorities. You and the president could enjoy a beer and a cigarette for a nice casual chat one lazy afternoon.
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
6:23 pm
tag onto josef
not say “we’re not going to grant you interviews as we do others. We’re going to shut you out.”
When people start shutting up and not talking to a partner because they’re angry is normally when someone says ‘you need to see a counselor and learn how to communicate.’
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 2nd, 2009
6:23 pm
The President can do it any damn way he wants. Faux doesn’t do any of their complete sh_t face to face with anyone and they are a complete joke as a news organization.
They cater to 2 million people and 140 million vote in the Presidential elections. That’s why they get their asses handed to them.
josef nix
November 2nd, 2009
6:23 pm
Taxpayer–
I agree with you Fox did itself more damage. Given enough rope…
DoggoneGA
November 2nd, 2009
6:23 pm
“BUT you do it face to face. You bring them in and tell them just what it is they are misrepresenting”
Sure, if they prove themselves trust worthy to report the FACTS. When they start making up their own facts, they have abdicated their right to be considered serious. There’s only so much room in that little room in the basement. Fox, or whoever, can make up their own “facts” somewhere else.
@@
November 2nd, 2009
6:23 pm
An epiphany!!!
“It seemed like maybe that’s not what a lot of people were believing any more because that’s not where the money was. The money wasn’t in family planning, the money wasn’t in prevention, the money was in abortion and so I had a problem with that,” said Johnson.
Planned Parenthood Director Leaves, Has Change of Heart
So when Nancy said birth helped the government’s bottom line, what she really meant was….in the most difficult of times, abortion fits the bill just as easily.
@@
November 2nd, 2009
6:24 pm
birth
control
birth control
Taxpayer
November 2nd, 2009
6:24 pm
kayaker 71,
I have no objections to people doing whatever is legal. Then again, I have never claimed to object. Voicing dissent, in and of itself, is not, to my knowledge, illegal. Hence, I do not object. Does the president have just as much right, as a long-form carrying member of these United States, to voice his criticism of those that are also and have always been free to criticize, or not?
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 2nd, 2009
6:24 pm
You need to learn how to communicate the way Cheney did when he said he didn’t recall 72 times, and then got caught by Fitz in a lie and hung Libby out to dry. Fitz lacked the balles to put Cheney in a grand jury.
Cheney desperately tried to get a pardon for Libby and failed. The fact that puts acid in Cheney’s enormous bellied stomach gives me great satisfaction.
Taxpayer
November 2nd, 2009
6:25 pm
@@,
Does you insurance company cover abortions.
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 2nd, 2009
6:26 pm
@@ and all the other whackjob repubozos really want to hawk that fetus in utero and then throw it in a dumpster once it passes the vaginal canal.
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 2nd, 2009
6:27 pm
Repubozos could give a flying Eff about child welfare beyond their wanting to exert government control over a woman’s body and a physician’s relationship with their patients.
josef nix
November 2nd, 2009
6:28 pm
Doggone–
With all due respect, but “worthy to report”: and who is the arbiter of that “worthiness?”
Dusty
November 2nd, 2009
6:30 pm
@@ 6:06
I once had the cold foot problem. But not any more. Every time I mentioned it my children went out and bought those fuzzy lined ankle high velvety “slippers”. I now have a collection. They are everywhere. I think they are multiplying. Wonder if that is rabbit fur lining.
Taxpayer
November 2nd, 2009
6:30 pm
Personally, I think it is great to have a president that can multi-task. As for me, I quit chewing gum when I start typing and start chewing again when I finish. I’m envious.
DoggoneGA
November 2nd, 2009
6:32 pm
“With all due respect, but “worthy to report”: and who is the arbiter of that “worthiness?””
The Whitehouse. I’ll be frank, the whole “death panels” thing made me SICK, and as far as *I* am concerned any outlet who reported that lost all credibility with me.
My complaint is that the Obama administration – and Congress as well – have not hit back fast enough OR hard enough on this kind of false “facts”
Someone who can make it stick needs to make it clear to “news” outlets like that they ARE entitled to their own opinions and interpretations, they are NOT entitled to their own “facts”
Paul
November 2nd, 2009
6:32 pm
Gov’t Option 6:23
[[Faux doesn’t do any of their complete sh_t face to face with anyone and they are a complete joke as a news organization.]]
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/09/foxs_bill_oreilly_obama_interv.html
your 6:24
The inevitable ‘well, what about Bush/Cheney….”
Doggone/GA 6:23
As I’m sure you know, even though you don’t watch for yourself but get it on very good authority from highly partisan, yet eminently aboveboard, websites.
Who always get it right, never get it wrong, but if they do they apologize immediately!