In NY’s 23rd, conservatives bag a GOP heretic in Scozzafava

Well, the conservatives went hunting for a Republican heretic in upstate New York, and it looks as though they’ve bagged one. This will be the occasion for a lot of celebration on the GOP right, but regardless of what happens Tuesday, I don’t think it bodes well for the GOP nationally.

No party gets bigger by getting smaller.

From the Watertown Daily News:

Dede Scozzafava, the Republican and Independence parties candidate, announced Saturday that she is suspending her campaign for the 23rd Congressional District and releasing all her supporters.

The state Assemblywoman has not thrown her support to either Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, or Bill Owens, the Democratic candidate.

“Today, I again seek to act for the good of our community,” Ms. Scozzafava wrote in a letter to friends and supporters. “It is increasingly clear that pressure is mounting on many of my supporters to shift their support. Consequently, I hereby release those individuals who have endorsed and supported my campaign to transfer their support as they see fit to do so. I am and have always been a proud Republican. It is my hope that with my actions today, my party will emerge stronger and our district and our nation can take an important step towards restoring the enduring strength and economic prosperity that has defined us for generations.”

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Jackie

October 31st, 2009
12:47 pm

The circular firing squad continues to claim victims.

stands for decibels

October 31st, 2009
12:58 pm

So essentially, you can’t be a republican and be pro-choice and/or pro-marriage equality?

Angry Black Man

October 31st, 2009
1:06 pm

So a conservative can be a Republican but a Republican can’t be a conservative?

James D

October 31st, 2009
1:10 pm

Too many quislings in the Republican party. I think her biggest ’sin’ was that she was for many of Obama’s fiscal policies, so what good is she as a Republican. Now there is a clear choice an Obama loving Dem and a Republican who will vote against Obama’s policies.

Nothing Is Free

October 31st, 2009
1:14 pm

josef

Every time I post this, the subject changes. It’s not Jay. It’s just bad timing. But take a read.

One of the things that bother me the most is the refusal of the media to examine the parallels that you just mentioned. We can’t even talk about it here, at least by mentioning the actual National Socialist Worker’s Party’ real name.

I sent this to you once before, but I never knew if you actually got it:
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goebmain.htm

It is the english translation of Goebbel’s speeches. Some of the most fascinating and disturbing reading that you will ever do.

From a speech called More Morality, Less Moralism. And is dated 1934:

“Peculiar people whose life is either behind them, or have no right to have one ahead of them, preach moralism in the name of our revolution. This moralism often has nothing in common with true morality. They proclaim ethical laws that might be appropriate for a nunnery, but are entirely out of place in a modern cultural state.”

This is his praising the Fuhrer as a speaker:

“There are two fundamentally different kinds of speakers: those who use reasoning, and those who speak from the heart. They reach two different sorts of people, those who understand through reason, and those who understand through the heart. Speakers who aim for the reason are generally found in parliaments, those who speak from the heart speak to the people.”

A single line from a speech called “The Morals of the Rich”:

“Likewise, a rich man with a car will never travel without a ticket on the subway. Aside from the fact that he could easily buy a ticket, he has a fancy car waiting in front of his fancy house.”

One line from a speech called “The Year 2000″
“One can also predict with a high degree of certainty that Europe will be a united continent in the year 2000.”

that one is worth reading right now.

Nothing Is Free

October 31st, 2009
1:26 pm

Jay

think of it this way:

Say you had a group of people that wanted some really stupid things, like say. rewarding women for having babies while they were not married or consistently demonizing anyone who didn’t think like them.

Say the facts, statistics, whatever showed the extreme folly of their beliefs.

So say those people changed their names from say . . . liberals to . . . I don’t know . . . maybe Progressives because the term liberal had developed such a bad stigma.

At the end of Bush’s administration, when the Democrats controlled Congress, he really did some stupid things. Things that those liberals wanted him to do and sure enough, that caused a huge downturn in our economy. (Well duh?)

Now Republicans isn’t such a good word, but a larger part of America calls it’s self Conservative than do Republican.

Sounds like an almost Democrat-ish thing to do, doesn’t it?

Whatever, I know what will happen in Virginia when a Democrat and a Republican go head to head. The Republican is destroying the Democrat. Corzine is only winning by a few points and the Republican vote is split in NJ. But now we have a Democrat running against a third party in NY State.

LOL!! Just Imagine: an Obama endorsed candidate that loses to an independent. There will be some real quakin’ in Congress.

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October 31st, 2009
1:27 pm

bookman, have you read your own column?

Consequently, I hereby release those individuals who have endorsed and supported my campaign to transfer their support as they see fit to do so. I am and have always been a proud Republican. It is my hope that with my actions today, my party will emerge stronger………

Her own supporters were pressuring her, obviously so that they could unite behind the front runner.

This blog column is nothing but a hissy fit.

May there be many, many more of them.

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October 31st, 2009
1:29 pm

Look a step further than this, I’ll bet the Republican party will throw their support fully behind Hoffman in an attempt to get him to drop the Conservative Party.

Stay with the girl that got you to the dance, Doug.

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October 31st, 2009
1:31 pm

stands for decibels

October 31st, 2009
12:58 pm

So essentially, you can’t be a republican and be pro-choice and/or pro-marriage equality?

So essentially, you can’t be a democrat and say the words “abortion” or “gay marriage” anymore either.

At least Republicans can be honest without hurting their chances.

@@

October 31st, 2009
1:41 pm

Should Hoffman win this one, it’ll be particularly disappointing for Obama. He worked so hard to manipulate the 23rd with his offer of an appointment. And just like Obama, maybe the kooks over at Kos talk too much?

NY-23: The most liberal candidate leads (and it’s not the Dem)

And who is the dem’s candidate? Didn’t support the stimulus. Doesn’t support gay marriage. Doesn’t support the public option. The kookers compare him to Lieberman “an obnoxious Blue Dog.”

If the Democrat loses the race, we lose nothing — it was previously held by a Republican. If he wins the seat, we gain another obnoxious Blue Dog, undermining our caucus from within while adding just a single vote to our already dominant House majorities. Furthermore, the typical DC wankers will take this as “proof” that you need to run Lieberdems in such districts to win them, while ignoring the fragmented conservative opposition. Not much of an advantage at all. More than likely, a net disadvantage.

It gets a little confusing, don’t it? Sliced and diced by “special interest” groups.

@@

October 31st, 2009
1:54 pm

Oh good grief….yours not mine.

Taxpayer
October 31st, 2009
11:55 am

people like yourself,

@@, that is just so cute.

Why am I not surprised. Are you back to the tired but not true?

Go ahead. Infer bigot or racist. Holds no impact for me.

I’ll just “brush your dirt from my shoulder”. If Obama can do it, SO CAN I!!!!!!

Crimefighter

October 31st, 2009
2:09 pm

Ahem, let me set the record straight…people will NEVER EVER EVER VOTE for a Republican pretending to be a Democrats. People will vote for an ACTUAL DEMOCRAT. This why so many Republicans were LOSING. They were pretending to be a Democrat and thought they could win by writing off the 40% of voters who identify themselves as Conservative. The moderates only make up 36% of the voting population! For ANYONE to run as a Republican and throw 40% of the base – that being conservatives – under the bus…they’d have to capture at LEAST 80% of those calling themselves moderates to have a chance of winning. THAT will never happen anywhere. That is a foolish strategy DOOMED TO FAILURE. The 20% who identify themselves as liberal are gonna vote for the Democrat no matter what. Jay Brookman, you wouldn’t vote for a Republican anyway, so your advice is completely worthless. Don’t tell the GOP how to win elections, you’re feeding them advice that will guarantee more losses. Conservatives WIN elections and a bunch of you media types will wake up with your eyes bulging out of your heads and your jaws will be planted on the floor when the DNC loses big in 2010.

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October 31st, 2009
2:10 pm

If the Democrat loses the race, we lose nothing — it was previously held by a Republican. If he wins the seat, we gain another obnoxious Blue Dog, undermining our caucus from within while adding just a single vote to our already dominant House majorities.

@@- Gee, I wonder why bookman doesn’t write a column about that^^?

hmmmmm

jconservative

October 31st, 2009
2:10 pm

The Republican tent just got smaller.

Now if the Republicans can get rid of the two senators from Maine the Democrats can have 62 votes in the Senate. The Republicans took the Democrats from 58 to 60 by ditching Chaffee & Spectre, with no help at all from the Democrats.

@@

October 31st, 2009
2:11 pm

I was a bit surprised when I saw jay’s “Iran now rejecting nuclear deal” which followed his “Ahmadinejad defense possible nuke deal” in which jay said:

The fact that Ahmadinejad feels it necessary to defend the pending deal in public suggests that he is at least serious about pursuing it. Why would he take the heat over a deal that he had no intention of concluding? As the Post reports, “If successful, the deal would likely be interpreted internationally as a goodwill sign by all involved parties and might lead to compromises over Iran’s nuclear program.”

But the situation is extremely complicated.

Not really. STRATFOR was all over Iran’s “installment plan” from the get-go.

That’s why STRATFOR demands the big bucks for their subscriptions.

And no, I’m not gonna say anything about the AJC’s dwindlings…

I will say this though…it doesn’t pay to be a dreamer.

Kamchak

October 31st, 2009
2:13 pm

Orly Taitz is revolting

When people loose their voice, when they are livid from the arrogance shown by the ruling elite, they simply revolt.

@@

October 31st, 2009
2:16 pm

@@- Gee, I wonder why bookman doesn’t write a column about that^^?

Hmmmm, indeed.

This is the second time I’ve pointed it out to him.

Mentioned it over at Kyle’s too. Not a single leftist had any response. Just ignored it as though it didn’t exist.

Nothing Is Free

October 31st, 2009
2:21 pm

@@

**Go ahead. Infer bigot or racist. Holds no impact for me.**

Are you talking about the same person who freely uses terms like tali-baptists? LOL!

It’s no wonder that it has no impact. That’s sort of like David Duke lecturing someone about being a bigot.

@@

October 31st, 2009
2:29 pm

NIF:

Taxpayer has some kinda problem with my efforts to stimulate the economy.

I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t.

There’s no way to make these leftists happy. They’re doomed to their own feelings of persecution.

Normal

October 31st, 2009
2:37 pm

Normal

October 31st, 2009
2:37 pm

@@

October 31st, 2009
2:39 pm

Heyyyy, where’d my 2:21 go?

You’re such a puritan, jay.

No sweat, my pet.

Taxpayer

October 31st, 2009
2:42 pm

@@

October 31st, 2009
1:54 pm
Oh good grief….yours not mine.

Oh, pitiful deflection. “yours not mine”, are your words, not mine.

If you get it, quote it, if you got it, don’t. If that’s the silly game you play, then you could claim that you’ve never uttered an original word in your life. Then again, there IS stratfor. What else are you not sharing. :roll:

Why am I not surprised. Are you back to the tired but not true?

Go ahead. Infer bigot or racist. Holds no impact for me.

I’ll just “brush your dirt from my shoulder”. If Obama can do it, SO CAN I!!!!!!

And, that is even cuter than your other stuff. Perhaps, your latest cries of ‘witch’ are meant to hide, via your call to racism/bigot diversion, an even darker side than you’ve revealed to date. hehehe. I mean, Ewwwww.

Taxpayer

October 31st, 2009
2:50 pm

And, NIF knows David Duke! Ewww. Then again, NIF also talks a lot about Hitler’s Germany. Now, what should we infer from that, hmmmm?

:roll:

Normal

October 31st, 2009
2:59 pm

Have the Country Stations started playing “The Dixie Chicks” again?

jt

October 31st, 2009
3:03 pm

The Obama-Hugging Charlie Crist should take note.

DITTO NEWT. Go peddle your big governemnt misery somewhere else.

You too Isackson.

Taxpayer

October 31st, 2009
3:07 pm

I like the Dixie Chicks.

Taxpayer

October 31st, 2009
3:16 pm

Mmmmm! My bread is ready. Navel pondering time — butter or margarine. Check y’all later.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
3:20 pm

The extremist whackjobs just give Pelosi another vote.

In typically stupid fashion Repubos are trying to call the H1N1 vaccine rollout Obama’s Katrina. All the while every Repuboputzo website, and their own Dr. Jim Wooten are urging people not to get vaccinated.

If any unvaccinated Repuboputzos die, the name for it is SUICIDE and murder of their children.

At this moment the largest county in Georgia, Fulton, with 1.2 million people has used 13% of their 5300 Medimmune nasal mist doses. That calculates out to 8 clinics over 23 days dispensing 3.8 vaccines per day. Pathetically stupid people are refusing the vaccine.

If there is mutation you will see hospitals overwhelmed, and respirator rationing something none of you have seen in your lives.

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October 31st, 2009
3:23 pm

Meanwhile, Larry David is now doing televised NEA exhibits on his HBO show “Curb Your Enthusiasm.” Christians are said to be “angry” at him because of an episode in which, after he accidentally sprays his urine on a picture of Jesus, his assistant mistakes the droplets for tears and calls in her mother to witness the miracle of Christ weeping. Ha-ha! Oh, those brave transgressive artists! Of course, Christians aren’t “angry” in the sense that two U.S. residents arrested last week are. The pair – one an American citizen, the other Canadian – were so “angry” about the Muhammad cartoons published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten that they hatched a plot to kill the artist and his editor. As many commentators pointed out, Mr. David’s splashy stunt is a dreary provocation: It’s easy to be provocative with people who can’t be provoked. If he were to start urinating in a more Mecca-ly direction, he’d find an entirely more motivated crowd waiting for him at the stage door.-Mark Steyn

They’d rather bow up on the little old lady in the church pew, brave souls that they are.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
3:25 pm

The Christian Science Monitor on NY23:

It’s also entirely possible the Democrat, lawyer Bill Owens, could eke out a victory amid the Republican infighting. He would be the first Democrat to win that district in 140 years.

All Our Base Are Done Belong To Us! Go Extremist base. You lose elections like nobody else. But also

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
3:26 pm

Larry David should be pissing on Rush and We Fox up the news.

GEORGE CONSERVATIVE

October 31st, 2009
3:38 pm

THIS BROAD WAS A RHINO IN LOOKS AND POSITIONS.

NY SHOULD RECRUIT SARAH PALIN TO GET THE STATE OUT OF THE GUTTER!!!

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October 31st, 2009
3:39 pm

HughHewitt: Okay, let’s turn to abroad. Hillary Clinton went to Pakistan yesterday, and the crazy fanatics in that country used the occasion to blow up a hundred women. They actually killed a hundred women, blew up many, many more. The Taliban attacked the Kabul UN station, killed eleven yesterday, Mark Steyn, and still the President dithers. What do you think he’s waiting for? They’re not going to make peace with us.

Code Pinko to tell him what to do?

~~~~~

Mad Harris- I got Hoffman, obviously you are an Owens shill. The wager, starting next Wednesday, should the final tally be known, er, all of ACORN’s fake votes have been “counted,” whoever’s candidate loses shall not post any comments for 7 days.

Deal?

danjonglee

October 31st, 2009
3:40 pm

Jay has a new co worker…….

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
3:42 pm

Well, hello…got the candy bagged, Katrina’s down at the sidewalk, the jack o’lantern’s carved and out on the verandah and got some white sheets hanging from the trees in honor of some of our trailer park bashers hereabouts, their ghostly, heads stuffed with the AJC, rain seems to be slacking off and all seems ready for the little b*stids!

NIF–got your post here and below. Folks really should read that and pay attention…

THIS THREAD…
Coming soon to a provencial backwater near you. Stay tuned for further details….

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October 31st, 2009
3:44 pm

Two-ply bathroom tissue, according to Allen Hershkowitz of the Natural Resources Defense Council, “is the Hummer of the paper industry.”-MarkSteyn

Little nasty ass, hahaha.

ew

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
3:45 pm

Taxpayer

“Then again, NIF also talks a lot about Hitler’s Germany. Now, what should we infer from that, hmmmm?”

I’d infer he knows a fascist when he sees one. Burnt any good books lately? :-)

@@

October 31st, 2009
3:45 pm

Taxpayer:

Perhaps, your latest cries of ‘witch’ are meant to hide, via your call to racism/bigot diversion, an even darker side than you’ve revealed to date. hehehe.

I’m a shady character, yessiree.

I have an olive complexion December thru May. Come May, I”m moving into the brown range. By August, I’m darker than Obama.

So when it comes to me, @@, are you racist/bigoted only between the months of December thru May or is it 12 months out of the year?

Funny…I don’t recall using the word ‘witch’ but if the foo shiites as AmVet would say.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
3:45 pm

Just like in the real Senate, FlashForward’s senators will, even in the face of an unprecedented national crisis, just hold contentious hearings and bitch about where all the money’s going, all the while approving trillions in military spending that they barely keep track of.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
3:46 pm

ah sure do see a lot of the pronoun “I” in ole aa’s posts.

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
3:49 pm

Normal–

Love the Dixie Chicks and Toby, too. He’s a registered, dues paying Democrat, you know!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q85rPq1u9sc

@@

October 31st, 2009
3:51 pm

ChattyWick:

And I see a lot of swine in your posts.

DoggoneGA

October 31st, 2009
3:53 pm

“THIS BROAD WAS A RHINO IN LOOKS AND POSITIONS”

I wonder where she goes to sharpen her horns?

@@

October 31st, 2009
3:58 pm

Newsom Ends Bid for California Governor.

Oddly enough I think Jerry Brown has come a long way since the far-left days of his youth.

We shall see.

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
3:59 pm

@@
“…darker than Obama…” When he got the Nobel, Unmentionable who bronzes up nicely in the summer, says, “..hey, where’s mine? I’m more colored than he is!” :-)

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
4:03 pm

Doggone–

Well, rhino horn is an aphrodisiac. :-)

And Jerry Brown? When the Dem party left him, they lost their moorings…

@@

October 31st, 2009
4:09 pm

Shades of Obama!

Newsom’s colleagues at City Hall were surprised by Friday’s news. Some said his constant traveling had left the city without a captain – a big problem as the city copes with its worst financial outlook since the Great Depression.

Newsom based his entire platform for governor on his track record in San Francisco, and some of his colleagues said he often painted the city’s fortunes as rosier than they really are so he could contrast them with Sacramento. Throughout the budget battle of the spring and summer, Newsom repeatedly scolded anybody who used the word “crisis.”

Supervisor John Avalos, chair of the board’s budget committee, said, “I’m hoping this could be a good thing for the city – that we’ll have a mayor who is more focused on what needs to get done and can turn his vision into practice.”

Avalos added that nobody in his district, the Excelsior, has seen the mayor for months – and that residents were especially frustrated the mayor didn’t respond or visit the neighborhood after a recent deadly stabbing there.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/10/31/MN7S1AD82T.DTL#ixzz0VYbMk4SS

josef:

You’re Unmentionable sounds like a man after my own heart.

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
4:11 pm

@@

“You’re Unmentionable sounds like a man after my own heart.”

I’ve gotten into arguments with straight women before over… :-)

I think you’d like him, though, he knows how to play dumb and handsome!

Jackie

October 31st, 2009
4:12 pm

If the Conservative Party wins in the 23rd of NY, then it would further erode the Republican Party.

I believe most people, even those in the South, are not supportive of the Conservative Party’s platform. Pollsters attribute 20% of the voting population to Republican/Conservative positions.

It appears that have a l-o-n-g way to go to be deemed credible. It leads one to believe that many of the current crop of Republicans in the House and Senate may move to the Conservative Party.

Wonder if they will expose ideas like those of Ann Coulter or Dick Armey. Better yet, like Dick “I can’t recall” Cheney.

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
4:14 pm

Jackie–

“…even in the South…”

Was yore Mama scared by a y’all while she was carryin’ you?

Jackie

October 31st, 2009
4:21 pm

@josef nix

I am confused by your reply.
If it were meant as a “dig”, please be more explicit so that I can reply accordingly.
I will await your courageous reply.

@@

October 31st, 2009
4:23 pm

Dangit! Dennis Hopper has been diagnosed with prostate cancer. He’s another one that’s come full circle — from liberal to conservative.

What began as a philosophy of political change turned into a change of political philosophy.

“The idea of less government,” Hopper says, “more individual freedom, is something that I liked. I started believing it. So I started voting. I voted that time for Reagan, and I’ve voted on the straight Republican ticket ever since. I don’t go to meetings, I don’t go to things. I just go to the polls and do it.”

He adds, “I think I just made the natural curve. You’ve got to start one place and go all the way around.”

Hopper has discovered that, while many in Los Angeles pride themselves on their tolerance, some things still ruffle their feathers.

“The controversy about me,” Hopper says, “I don’t think it’s going to stop me. However, a lot of people treat me differently, and they do bring it up. I’ll be at a dinner party, and somebody will say, ‘Well, you couldn’t be thinking that …’ And then you realize that everybody at the table is looking at you, and they’re like, ‘You’re kidding! You’re not really for Bush.’ And it goes around the table.

He strikes me as the kind of guy who gets a kick outta ruffling their feathers.

Wishing him well.

Nothing Is Free

October 31st, 2009
4:24 pm

Taxpayer

**NIF also talks a lot about Hitler’s Germany. Now, what should we infer from that, hmmmm?**

That you don’t know much about Hitler’s Germany. That would explain a lot about the positions you take.

Perhaps your reading a little about past leaders who spoke with great promises of Hope and Change would let you realize how shallow those promises always turn out to be. But ignorance certainly makes for loyal political followers. I’m just surprised that you are proud of it.

And to be honest, I’m a little disgusted at someone who would criticize another person about knowing something about history. But your last post does explain any questions that I had about you in the past. Your criticizing others for their knowledge would have certainly made you a good little National Socialist Workers Party member.

I’m not saying that you would have supported their actions toward the years of 1942 when the Holocaust really began, but around the years of 1934 to 1940, I think you would have been a huge cheerleader. Don’t be too insulted. A lot of very well educated people were big fans. Henry Ford was a huge fan of the Party. But then again, they didn’t have a past example of a slick politician who made thin promises, but lured the masses. You do, that is of course if you ever get over your fear of knowledge.

Taxpayer

October 31st, 2009
4:30 pm

Who’s having abortions?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as “Born-again/Evangelical”.

Well! There’s you answer to reducing abortions.

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
4:32 pm

Jackie–

Let me quote you more precisely…

“I believe most people, even those in the South, are not supportive of the Conservative Party’s platform.”

The subject of your dependent clause, “people,” is followed by an appositional in which the demonstrative adjective “those” refers back to “people” as its antecedent, thus the implied “those people.” It is not that subtlety of sentence structure and the way our use of grammar tells off on us, though, it is the use of “even” I question. The implication in the use of “even” is :

“used to suggest that something mentioned as a possibility constitutes an extreme case or an unlikely instance”

Had you used the phraseology, “including those in the South…” the underlying “dig” would not have been so obvious…

This reply is not “courageous,” merely an observation.

@@

October 31st, 2009
4:34 pm

Alright, I gotta share this. I was taking care of a little 20 month old yesterday. Around 5:00 we were worn out from playing. She wanted to watch a [boovie]. I turned on GPTV. I’m not into conspiracies but I know subversion when I see it.

Cartoons are geared towards a leftist agenda. “Bob the Builder” is environmentally conscientious and “Thomas the Train”? If that ain’t full-blown communism in animation, my name ain’t ???.

Pogo

October 31st, 2009
4:34 pm

Jay, you sit and you gloat over the Republicans “casting out one of their own” who you happen to love because of her liberal idealogy. And this coming from a party pundit for the party that embraces people like Murtha, Rangel and Waters. You don’t care anything about integrity of “your” government representatives just as long as they’re liberal democrats, right Jay? I said it before and I will say it again, before Obama and Co. are through, America will have experienced the most corrupt national government it has ever seen. If this weren’t so sad it would be funny.

$92K/ job for stimulus jobs which were payed for by private sector taxes. As long as jobs are created by the government, the economy is going to continue to tank and the American people are going to be herded toward government servitude. Obama and Pelosi don’t have one dollar in real capital to pay for anything. All they have are tax dollars.

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October 31st, 2009
4:34 pm

How can you be a Catholic and get an abortion, just sayin…..

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October 31st, 2009
4:37 pm

That’s one of those fundamental questions that baffles the common liberal, like how can you be a Conservative and want to work with any idea that Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm, has?

You ain’t no Conservative, duh.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
4:37 pm

@@–

With a national rate of vaccination under 30% it’s with good reason. It is not often you tell people they need a medication and they don’t accept it.

Ignorance and insouciance is pandemic particularly in the red states.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
4:38 pm

Most liberals realize that conservatives are so marginalized they’re not worth concern.

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
4:46 pm

NIF

You make the point that Taxpayer “would not have supported their actions around the year 1942…”
Of course by then it was too late. And I won’t go so far as to say he would not have. Millions of good Germans who would have been outraged had the Nazis used the terms “Vernichtung” (extermination) or “Moerd” (murder) had no problem with “Aussiedlung” (resettlement) as an Endloesung (final solution) to the “Judenfrage” (Jewish question.)

I keep bringing up the book burning comment and, yes, I know it was said in hyperbole, but what is the difference in the poster’s call to burn Palin’s book and the actions of those who bonfired the Beatles records which he decries out of the other side of his mouth? They are one and the same and it’s no great leap from this to an Enloesung to whatever the Frage…

You and I may come from “opposite sides” of the political philosphy spectrum in a free and democratic society, but that we both see the potentials for a sad repeat of history speaks to the existence of a problem we should be aware of….

Jackie

October 31st, 2009
4:46 pm

@josef nix

It is good that you use your scholarly acumen to correct problems in my construction of a posting.

It is good to know that your skills are so well-tuned that you instantly decipher any grammatical errors. You experience as an instructor is obvious.

Now, let me say that I am appreciative of your “help” in helping me further my education.
But, I am not in a classroom environment where you are the instructor, nor do I need any help in your pointing out my errors.

As for your comment “Was yore Mama scared by a y’all while she was carryin’ you?” my mama was not scared of anything that remotely resembled “whale gravy” like yourself.

Please point out the error of my construction.

former republican

October 31st, 2009
4:46 pm

Good job republicans. Moves like this and fillibustering the unemployment extension for millions of
unemployed all across America, thus ensuring a bleak holiday for the victims of Wall St greed, will grease your “party” ’s skid into irrelevance. Millions of former republicans like myself, who are about to be homeless, with their families in the cold of winter WON’T FORGET !! We will return the favor in the next election !!!

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
4:50 pm

Whiner–
How can you be Catholic and get an abortion? We’re on WWII here…Cardinal Mindszenty issued a letter to his priests to not be critical in their treatment of women raped by Soviet soldiers confessing abortions…

@@
Since i’m beating this tin drum today, the agenda riddled–and how many times does the negative character speak with a Southern drawl and how many times does the positive one?

Taxpayer

October 31st, 2009
4:51 pm

NIF,

I just don’t think that you’re ready for an open debate with me given all of your personal attacks. I’ll keep an eye out though and let you know when I think you’re ready. :roll:

Normal

October 31st, 2009
4:51 pm

HEY! Are the Dixie Chicks back on the radio or not?!

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
4:52 pm

WWII

Roosevelt had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it long after he had all kinds of confirmation that Jews were being mass incinerated. Roosevelt turned his back on that for years.

@@

October 31st, 2009
4:53 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t you liberals touting women’s support for Obamacare?

Granted, this is from the INDEPENDENT Women’s Forum so it likely doesn’t include the dem women who hang left.

Key findings:

* Government is not the solution: 61 percent of women think the private sector does a better job of providing choice in health care.

* Change for thee, but not for me: 75 percent want few to no changes to their own healthcare (40 percent — be modified, but mostly left as is; 35 percent — be left as-is).

* No egg timers: 43 percent of women say that Congress and the President should enact healthcare reform “only when quality legislation is developed, even if it means there is no deadline.” Less than three in ten think it needs to happen by the end of the year.

* Too expensive: Only 10 percent say that $1 trillion or more should be spent on health care reform. Most put the acceptable amounts in the thousands (16 percent), millions (24 percent), or billions (16 percent).

*Concerns with waste: 77 percent say government spends money in a mostly inefficient way and 55 percent believe CBO projections underestimate how much will ultimately be spent on health care reform.

http://www.iwf.org

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
4:53 pm

Jackie–I never said you made an “error” in grammar, syntax or lexical choice. Quite the opposite. And it’s not necessarilly my acumen…it’s part of the job training for forensic linguists…

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
4:59 pm

G-DD–
On Roosevelt–that is the case as you stated it and it is one of the reasons I go into a spluttering fury when somebody holds him up as some paragon…there is an excellent book on the subject for those interested, Martin Gilbert’s “Auschwitz and the Allies.”

Jackie

October 31st, 2009
5:01 pm

@josef nix

My take from your original post is you were attempting to play a sophisticated game of “the dozens.”

Now, to put it stark, clear, unadulterated terms, if you want to play, BRING IT!!!!

@@

October 31st, 2009
5:04 pm

CHAD, I’VE HAD MY H1N1 VACCINE!!!!!!!

Geez!

MY DAUGHTER HAS HAD HERS!!!!!

WE BOTH WORK WITH CHILDREN!!!!

MY HUSBAND IS WORKING ON GETTING HIS!!!!

Taxpayer

October 31st, 2009
5:06 pm

Careful Jackie. You’ll get josef fired up and then he will let you know what for with his ‘impressive resume’ and before you know it, he will even have his new-found choir (of which I do believe @@ and NIF are seeking charter membership status) preaching about the joys of teaching little b*stids or some such hyperbole. Well, at least he does not deny his liberal leanings like @@ so that is a step in the correct direction.

Not to worry, josef. I’m just funnin’ with ya. I really love you… too. It’s what us Democrats do, dontcha know.

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
5:08 pm

Jackie–
As for the dozens, I admit that the charge you make is valid. But if you do play the dozens, you know that it is done in jest…to lighten up…my own mama was scared by a left wing liberal according to my conservative friends…

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
5:08 pm

@@ The problem with your chedrry picked crap is that you somehow managed to skip all the largest polls of this country that included both men and women that show a clear majority of this country wants a public option.

You’re going to get some kind of bill–you can take that to the bank.

There are sure the votes to pass a watered down piece of crap that forces middle and lower class earners to buy insurance that is a piece of crap and that will bankrupt them.

Whether a weak piece of crap public option passes or a better one is the only real question.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 31st, 2009
5:10 pm

yosef- How many of today’s “Catholic” women getting abortions do you reckon were raped by Soviet soldiers?

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
5:10 pm

Funny @@ didn’t bother to include Washington-Post ABC polls are WSJ NBC polls.

Funny @@ didn’t include the Robert Wood Johnson poll of 4000 MDs that was published in NEJM early September that showed 67% of physicians polled wanted a public option.

I’m sure it was accidental or reflected @@’s narrow reading habits.

@@

October 31st, 2009
5:11 pm

@@
Since i’m beating this tin drum today, the agenda riddled–and how many times does the negative character speak with a Southern drawl and how many times does the positive one?

Huh?

Dennis Hopper lives in Venice, California. We, west-coasters don’t have a drawl of any kind. In all honesty our dialect is kinda boring — nothing distinctive in it.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
5:12 pm

How many times does the poorly educated white hick have a Southern draw in real life on the street? Too damn many.

#1 Foxy Lady

October 31st, 2009
5:12 pm

i hope they get their genital warts vaccine too. today’s liberated tramps need’m.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
5:13 pm

Considering this is vastly unreported by numbers, it sure makes sense to kick the H1N1 vac to the curb.

At Least 114 US Kids Dead From Swine Flu

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
5:13 pm

Taxpayer–

As I’ve said before, if you can’t laugh at yourself…! That was what drew me to the left to begin with…and, yes, I’m right fond of you, too…no hyperbole intended! Like everybody else around here, I’ve got my tin drums and I just love to hear myself play. :-)

@@

October 31st, 2009
5:17 pm

ChattyWICK has his own poll?

I’m getting a visual here.

ewwww

Lighten up, Chad. You really do take life too seriously.

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
5:22 pm

@@
huh? I’m sorry, I wasn’t referring to Hopper, but to the characters on PBS’s children’s programming…

G-DD–
“…too damn many…”
And do you suggest an Enloesung to the Suedistenfrage? Lot like the ignorant pesky Redskin savages, aren’t they?

Whiner–
I was only trying to point out that the Catholic Church has the capacity for not being as coldly “no way, no how” on the subject of abortion as some may think. I tend to stay out of this question, though, since as a male I will never be faced with the ultimate decision.

RW-(the original)

October 31st, 2009
5:27 pm

heads stuffed with the AJC

josef,

How many months have you been saving this glorified flyer to pull that off?

By the way, you’re making friends hand over fist around here lately. /sarc

None of it that seems to be of your own making as far as I can see either.

@@

October 31st, 2009
5:30 pm

josef:

Oooohhh! PBS’s children’s programming.

Let’s see, Bob’s dialect is pretty generic. There IS a female construction worker who talks kinda prissy. Her dialect is generic too.

Thomas the Train? All I can remember is that nobody’s lips move in that one. HECK! the only thing that did move were the trains.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 31st, 2009
5:34 pm

Well, I know we’re bound to loose in the national elections, but I say we give it the old try. What the heck, us Conservatives are dying off and we may as well raise as much Cain as we can before the illegals and Those People take over the country. So don’t vote for nobody that’s for abortions, gay marriage, or Obama health care. It’s better to die off as a good Conservative than act like there’s nothing wrong. One day young people will be asking what’s a Conservative? Then they’ll read about us and we’ll be famous. Dead, but famous.

Have a good Saturday night everybody.

Jackie

October 31st, 2009
5:38 pm

@josef nix

To be sure that we don’t have a future misunderstanding, whether your mama was a liberal matters not one whit; what matters is what you put “in my face.”

To let you know, I do not take kindly to your jest or your attempt at being magnanimous. That says to you, any further words like that from you will bring an equal an appropriate response, regardless of what you level you choose to take the conversation.

And, I will try to break it down to the lowest common denominator so that there will be no MISUNDERSTANDING!!!!!!

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
5:38 pm

RW

“How many months have you been saving this glorified flyer to pull that off?”

Well, the last few times Unmentionable went fishing, he didn’t catch much!

Friends hand over fist…it’s been rather fun in its own way…on the other hand, I have had some rather enlightening exchanges of the civil sort…as Granddaddy always said, “consider the source and no offense meant, none taken…” BTW wet wiccan is wanting more information on the trailer park bash…! :-)

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
5:39 pm

Okay, Jackie, you win. You’ve got the last word.

Nothing Is Free

October 31st, 2009
5:41 pm

Taxpayer

Get a clue. You will never be ready to debate me. You obviously have an overt fear of knowledge and knowledge would definitely be a prerequisite.

I don’t think you understand how you appear to others. You jumped me for talking about Joseph Goebbels to another poster, and in that post, you seemed to infer that any knowledge of the history of fascism in Germany was a bad thing. I simply pointed out that it wasn’t.

My advice would be that if you don’t want your statements that support ignorance of history being pointed out to you, that you stop praising that ignorance. Some of us actually read history books and (gasp) have done it since we have been in school.

As far as personal attacks, if it were important to me, I could go back and cut and paste post after post after post where you have no problem attempting to attack anyone that might disagree with you.

I have seen your feeble attempts at debate. My biggest problem in debating you is dumbing it down where you could understand it. After al, I have a bad habit of actually using facts and knowledge as a basis for what I say. And as seen today, that very fact would leave you completely defenseless.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
5:45 pm

We hope you get your genital warts removed #1 Faux/Get Fauxed.

Watch out for HPV type 16–it can go to Cervical CA.

Nothing Is Free

October 31st, 2009
5:49 pm

josef

It’s rare to find someone who has an understanding of pre WWII Europe. One of these days, we will need to spend some time talking about this and ignoring the little people who are afraid of knowledge.

I’m heading for the church. We are having a big party for the kids. Since the weather kind of sucks, I’m sure it will be a big party. Off to Walmart to buy more candy.

Have a good night.

@@

October 31st, 2009
5:49 pm

Taxpayer:

Is it josef’s ‘impressive resume’ that has you looking to make friends elsewhere.

Truth be known, I kinda like TnGelding. There’s a hint of pragmatist in his posts.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 31st, 2009
5:51 pm

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton trumpeted the result as a diplomatic triumph, but it’s more accurate to say that it extricated her and the Obama Administration from the box canyon they entered by throwing in with Mr. Zelaya. Hondurans had deposed Mr. Zelaya on entirely legal grounds for threatening violence and violating the country’s constitution in an attempt to run for a second term. The U.S. nonetheless meddled and demanded that Mr. Zelaya be reinstated.

But Hondurans refused to bend, and the State Department apparently decided at last that Honduras was going to go ahead with its election whether the U.S. agreed or not. The Honduran compromise provided Mrs. Clinton with an elegant diplomatic exit.-WSJ

And another big fat loss, hahahaha, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

clowns

josef nix

October 31st, 2009
5:52 pm

@@

I like TnGelding, too! I’ve learned an awful lot from him.

Nothing Is Free

October 31st, 2009
5:53 pm

Gov Option Done Deal!

So Doc.

Are you still using the ICD-9 Billing platform or are you already using the ICD-10? You know that Europe has been using ICD-10 for some time now.

So what would be the ICD-9 code for genital warts?

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 31st, 2009
6:10 pm

Why should I look up a code for anything to do with warts–genital or otherwise?

You can look the code up yourself for whatever is in your head. There are hundreds of thousands of cites on the web that have codes. And then when you get an ICD-9 or CPT you’re going to do what with it?