Iran now rejecting nuclear deal
Iran is insisting on changes to a proposed deal regarding its nuclear fuel, and it’s pretty clear that those changes will be unacceptable to the rest of the world. “It’s a deal breaker,” Jacqueline Shire of the Institute for Science and International Security told ABC News. “It’s no dice if they want to do an installment plan.”
It’s possible that further discussion can convince Iran to accept the provisions it now seeks to change. But it’s far more likely that at the end of the process, no deal will be reached and the West will have to look to other alternatives.
Unfortunately, it’s also true that if Iran is sufficiently determined to acquire the bomb, nothing short of an outright invasion will prevent it from doing so. Every assessment I’ve seen says that an air assault on Iran’s nuclear infrastructure would at best delay its program, not end it. Furthermore, that assault itself would harden Iran’s conviction that it needs the bomb to discourage outside meddling.
There are no easy solutions to some problems. And to a few problems, there are no solutions at all, easy or otherwise.
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Truth
October 30th, 2009
10:53 am
there are solutions, but they definately are not easy!
jt
October 30th, 2009
11:03 am
“And to a few problems, there are no solutions at all, easy or otherwise.”
Balderdash!
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
11:03 am
No surprise here. Iran will chart its own course and everyone else be D a m n e d.
If I recall my geography correctly the only thing standing between Israel and Iran is Jordan, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Iraq…none of which offer any resistance to a “fly-over”.
“Its gettin hot in here, Is-ra-els dropping bombs”
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
11:12 am
What we need here is a good ole fashioned speech!! Say one from our current Campaigner n Chief. Ya! Then, kinda like the icing on the cake, Obobo, Boner, Sting and Sean Penn could visit the UN, hold hands and simg a couple verses of Kum By Ya!!
That would teach those Iranians.
Oilie North
October 30th, 2009
11:25 am
I will solve this problem by selling them bombs. The proceeds will save the American economy and I will be a hero again just like when Reagan and I traded bombs for the hostages.
I am the best thing that ever happened to America!
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
11:25 am
TF –
well, I kinda like U2 and Sting, but a few minutes of Yoko Ono and I’d pretty much surrender and give you anything you wanted.
just sayin.
booger
October 30th, 2009
11:25 am
If Obama dithers long enough Isreal will take care of the problem. We may not like the worldwide result but at least Obama can say it wasn’t my fault.
GEORGE CONSERVATIVE
October 30th, 2009
11:26 am
I CAN FIX THIS:
BOMB BOMB BOMB
BOMB BOMB IRAN!!!
GEORGE CONSERVATIVE
October 30th, 2009
11:29 am
I’D MUCH PREFER A SPEECH BY ACADEMY AWARD WINNER JON VOIGHT OR CONSERVATIVE LEADERS BECK AND LIMBAUGH. WE NEED TO HEAR EVEN MORE FORM THERE REASSURING VOICES.
MAYBE TED NUGGENT COULD MAKE A SPEECH. HE’S MUCH BETTER THAN STING!!!
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
11:30 am
Marsh
From your link:
In 2006, Senator Lieberman was elected to a fourth term as an Independent,
Now who Gotcha/d who?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
11:31 am
More failed Obama foreign policy.
But there is that GDP.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
11:33 am
NIF@ 11:17 –
“Bosch
Actually you can take it and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine, fascist.”
Nothing Is Free
October 29th, 2009
4:36 pm
“Do you realize that when you need to resort to your asinine, adolescent little attempts at insults, it just says that you have no argument and this is the best you can do?
No. I didn’t think so.”
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
11:34 am
USinUK,
“but a few minutes of Yoko Ono and I’d pretty much surrender and give you anything you wanted.”
Fer rizzle.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
11:34 am
Hey Ollie
It’s not a good day for the demkrats so you better dig up more crap on the Republicans.
Anything about Lincoln?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
11:37 am
Bosch
I’m glad you took the time. LOL!!
Proves nothing other than how pathetic your attempts are becoming. How about getting your little emotions under control. Go set in the corner and think about who you have voted for.
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
11:38 am
Stop teasing me USK or Im gonna break out my Yoko Anthology Collection.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
11:39 am
Let them have the bomb. Sometimes like a child playing with fire, you just have to let him get burned to teach him a lesson.
Iran will learn that if you get what you wish for, you might not like it. If they ever supposed that they could bomb Isreal and get away with it, they would be wrong and what’s more is they know it. Isreal would turn them into stained glass.
Look at North Korea, have they nuced anyone yet?
If they get the bomb they will learn what a Pandora’s Box they have…and they won’t have the guts to use it.
They can be contained. Just let them know how many warheads will be pointed at them from this time on.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
11:40 am
TF –
haha … talk about a mood killer … nothing less attractive than bleeding from the ears …
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
11:41 am
All hope is not lost.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
11:42 am
Bosch –
it looks like someone didn’t get their ritilin today …
Kamchak
October 30th, 2009
11:42 am
Bosch 11:33
More on that subject.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
11:43 am
Normal
I disagree. North Korea’s government is not based on a 12th century suicide cult. Iran’s leaders would consider it an honor to sacrifice their country if it means that they wiped Israel off the planet.
I’m sure the Iranian people would not go for that, but the leaders in Iran are far on the other side of crazy.
Oilie North
October 30th, 2009
11:43 am
That’s Lieutenant Kernal Oilie North to you, Ms. Nothing is Free.
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
11:44 am
NIF @ 11:30,
Child, go take a nap and leave the blogging to the grownups. You can’t even read yet.
Shawny
October 30th, 2009
11:46 am
unfortunately, letting them have the bomb does burn, but it wouldn’t be them that get burned.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
11:46 am
Ollie
Don’t take it so hard. After 2012, you can complain abut the party that is in power.
Marsh
Lieberman is an independent. K?
Call it like it is.
October 30th, 2009
11:46 am
Okay, a story that states NOTHING. Jay I am used to this junk from Cindy Lou, but most of the time you add a little more meat to the subject. Come on put your skills to the test, you love Obama, tell us what “you” think he will do. If Bush was still the man, you would damn him no matter what he did. What will the all mighty do on this?
As far as air assault doing nothing? What? Dude read your own paper, The AJC was just talking about how America is in the process of making a bomb right now that will enter their little bunker and turn it into a glass factory. You don’t think that will deter them? When Regan bomb Libya, didnt hear too much from them did you?
Come on tell us what you think the “man” will do. Were all waiting……
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
11:47 am
Kamchak,
Wow.
USinUK,
“it looks like someone didn’t get their ritilin today …”
Oh thanks for reminding me!!
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
11:48 am
Ollie
BTW. Did you mean to insult me by the Ms? So you consider calling someone a woman as being an insult?
Yet another lib that just can’t decide who to hate.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
11:50 am
Jay! You underestimate the GOP. There’s always room for a bigger and better bomb.
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
11:50 am
NIF,
And quit making up stories about your having served in the military. What an imagination you have! When you grow up, you should use it for the good of the world.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
11:51 am
NIF, their Clergy is not that stupid. When you have the power and all of its perks, you do not want to commit suicide. You want to live and enjoy your power. You let the underlings jump and threaten but you never allow the button to be pushed.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
11:52 am
Enter your comments here
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
11:53 am
Normal,
That’s been my position for ever on nuclear weapons.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
11:53 am
Marsh
And yet another day of this. OK I’lll play..
And you better quit stomping kittens.
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
11:56 am
Maybe we could send Barry over there and he could work his “olympic magic” on Iran.
Oilie North
October 30th, 2009
11:57 am
NiF,
You would prefer the title “Little Lady-Man”?
Jim Bomb Walton
October 30th, 2009
11:57 am
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
11:50 am
The biggest bomb we have in this country is the guy occupying the white house. Which campaign promises has he kept?
jt
October 30th, 2009
11:57 am
Jay Bookman-
I just heard about Neal Boortz starting to write for the AJC. That is funny considering how Neal has constantly slammed your paper for years.
Now is the time sir to get in touch with your inner Paul Theroiux.
You can do him better.
I have connections in S. Africa AND Somalia. I know the route. Think about it. The first AJC journalist in Somalia. (human interest, politics, fishing, etc…..) . No matter what you hear, it is not that dangerous. And it would only take the minimum of per diem checks. We can make Paul T. jealous.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much room.
Let me know.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
11:58 am
If anyone bombs Iran, they choke off the Straits of Hormuz, where 60% of the world’s oil traverses. Wonder how the past recession would look and feel compared to what it would be like with that much of the world’s energy taken off the market?
The question should be asked, if and when Iran does acquire a nuclear weapon, what are they going to do with it?
Does anyone really believe they would attack another country, knowing they would risk TOTAL annihilation? Don’t think they are that stupid!!!!
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
11:59 am
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
11:25 am
A few minutes? You’re one tough bird. Seconds would take me down.
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
12:03 pm
It’s no Lee Greenwood…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRB6sL-Gjfc
stands for decibels
October 30th, 2009
12:03 pm
I will make this simple for one and all. Obviously, Americans have been browbeaten into believing, for several decades now, that Iran’s leaders are uniquely crazy and this informs every single phase of negotiations we have with them. Even though our actual leaders know better than this, they have to go home with information that would displease those who will go to their graves believing that Iran’s leaders are uniquely crazy.
Like Jay says, some problems don’t have solutions.
moving along…
haha … talk about a mood killer … nothing less attractive than bleeding from the ears …
Nude volleyball with Newt Gingrich, Jonah Goldberg and Rush Limbaugh, perhaps?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:03 pm
Normal
Old men that don’t have that long to live anyway I don’t think so. Their religion is not a facade. They actually believe that martyred deaths give great rewards in the afterlife. I couldn’t imagine a more worthy goal to them then to wipe out Israel.
Whatever happens, I’m afraid that we will live to see it. All implications are saying that they will be nuclear by the end of next year. You may be right and they may use it to just terrorize the region. Nukes are the ultimate Ace in the hole.
One thing is for certain: they are no bigger fans of Obama than they were of Bush. In fact, he is probably less favorably regarded. Bush was a Christian, Obama was born to a Muslim father and then converted to Christianity, i.e. he turned his back on Islam.
Whatever happens, it’s probably not going to be good.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:05 pm
not jimmeh –
11:59 – deaf in one ear from the last time I heard Yoko.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:06 pm
Ollie
**You would prefer the title “Little Lady-Man”?**
Whatever, Pal. What some anonymous dolt calls me on a left leaning forum is hardly going to change my life.
Dusty
October 30th, 2009
12:06 pm
Aww, Jay went and jumped to Iran just as I was getting to cheesy grits. Never fails. He’ll be trying to indict Palin (AGAIN) before I get back. I think Jay was raised on Baked Alaska (which is better than shrimpy grits Right, bosch?)
Oh well, later…
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:07 pm
When I heard of the initial resistance and A’s speech a couple days ago, I’d hoped it was playing to the domestic audience, plus looking for a little wiggle room to save face. They’re quite the manhood-testosterone-inferiority complex-religious guys over there. Best to leave them a way out and to have a few things that don’t matter.
Now this. You are correct, Jay. There are no good alternatives and plenty with unintended consequences. And to paraphrase the remark that led the Left to so ridicule SecDef Rumsfeld “There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.”
(Which are all standard statements in those war games the Pentagon does).
There’s a lot here we know we don’t know. And it’s all bad. We may be reduced to picking the least worst option.
Sometimes I wonder why people run for the presidency.
Kamchak
October 30th, 2009
12:08 pm
The biggest bomb we have in this country is the guy occupying the white house. Which campaign promises has he kept?
Another day, another posting of this site.
Kudos to dB.
jconservative
October 30th, 2009
12:08 pm
We cannot allow Iran get the bomb. We should just go ahead & bomb them off the face of the earth like we did Israel, India, Pakistan & North Korea when they got the bomb.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:08 pm
dB –
“Nude volleyball with Newt Gingrich, Jonah Goldberg and Rush Limbaugh, perhaps?”
so much doughy-ness in one place … it would have to affect the space/time continuum …
Swami Dave
October 30th, 2009
12:09 pm
This is what happens when you presume to be able to negotiate with liars and thieves lacking the honor to negotiate in good faith. It is for this exact reason that you do not “negotiate” with car jackers or burglars.
In this case, the Iranian goal is not a win-win solution for all, but a solution that furthers enhances the power and stature of a hate-filled supporter of terrorism beholden to a extremist, cult-driven worldview.
This is why wise people refuse to engage these narrow-minded bigots in any level of negotiation and simply notify them that there -is- a line over which their crossing will trigger consequences.
-SD
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:10 pm
Jackie
Total annihilation by who? Do you really believe that Obama would push the button that would kill millions and millions of innocent people in a civilized country? I don’t think that Bush would have done that. I KNOW Obama wouldn’t.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:10 pm
Jackie
[[Does anyone really believe they would attack another country, knowing they would risk TOTAL annihilation? Don’t think they are that stupid!!!!]]
Funny thing about dealing with religious fanatics. Did anyone really think Islamic jihadists would be stupid enough to directly attack the US and declare war on us?
Back to your question. I believe the Israelis do. Which is another wild card. Which is also why candidate Clinton said that if Iran got the bomb and attacked Israel, she, as President, would obliterate Iran.
Best not to make threats one is not prepared to execute.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
12:11 pm
How many realize that Iran has one of the largest Jewish communities in the Middle East, outside of Israel?
The religious Jewish community was protected by Ayatollah Khomeni when he came to power. The political Jewish community – Zionists – are not looked upon favorably.
http://www.sephardicstudies.org/iran.html
stands for decibels
October 30th, 2009
12:13 pm
so much doughy-ness in one place … it would have to affect the space/time continuum …
There’s a joke involving Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin and yeast. But I’m not going to make it.
Another day, another posting of this site.
The wingers keep posing that question, we’ll keep citing politifact. yep.
Bud Wiser
October 30th, 2009
12:13 pm
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
11:25 am
TF –
well, I kinda like U2 and Sting, but a few minutes of Yoko Ono and I’d pretty much surrender and give you anything you wanted.
I waited and waited for Ono and Tiny Tim to collaborate and put out an album of, say, Christmas songs, for instance.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:13 pm
“Do you really believe that Obama would push the button that would kill millions and millions of innocent people in a civilized country? I don’t think that Bush would have done that. I KNOW Obama wouldn’t.”
I love how he says that like it’s a bad thing.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:13 pm
sfd
[[“Nude volleyball with Newt Gingrich, Jonah Goldberg and Rush Limbaugh, perhaps?”]]
Some things are just plain wrong…..
stands for decibels
October 30th, 2009
12:14 pm
This is what happens when you presume to be able to negotiate with liars and thieves lacking the honor to negotiate in good faith
But, enough about the Senate.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
12:15 pm
@NIF
If Iran attacks another country, specifically Israel with a nuclear weapon, do you really believe that Israel would not strike with their 300 or more nuclear weapons?
@Paul
If Iran were so hawkish, why have they not attacked already? Did that thought ever come to mind?
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
12:15 pm
Perhaps a Christmas duet album by Boner and Sting. They could stand face to face, stare lovingly into one another eyes and sing Silent Night. When finished Sean Penn could give them both a big sloppy kiss if he wasnt to busy trashing America.
OH…its time to break out the South Park Christmas CD…YA!!
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:16 pm
USinUk
For you setting in London and me setting in Atlanta and Obama setting in Washington, whether or not it is bad or good is debatable.
If we all lived in Tel Aviv, there would be no debate.
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
12:16 pm
Talk about your unsettling mental images.
Thankfully, I never was much of a volleyball as a spectator sport type.
Besides the conned are by and large (get it?) athletically challenged.
(They hated JFK and his Council on Youth Fitness doncha know?)
And the only nude Republican I’d like to see is Meghan McCain.
Kamchak
October 30th, 2009
12:19 pm
USinUK
It seems that Sir Alex’s knickers are in a twist.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 30th, 2009
12:19 pm
Ah done said–Iran has nuclear war capability. Deal with it. No need futzin’ ’bout dey do dey don’t. Dey gon’ get it. US intelligence= Falcon’s defense so we gotta depend on Israeli Mossad.
Meanwhile Repubos who don’t dare put their babuhs in the Armed forces cause that interferes with stayin’ drunk on campus in the mode of Bushie, have found a way to sacrifice their children but the coffins don’t get to Dover.
They is witholding vaccination for H1N1 Oink Flu and a record number died this week (22 kids, several adults).
Tom Frieden tryin’ to put the best face on it. Only way you get babuhs attention is to get NFL, NBA, hip hop stars to support vaccination in spots the way Obama got ‘em for his election.
Watch the CDC Director’s live press brief on 2009 #H1N1 flu and vaccine distribution. Today (10/30) @ 1:30 p.m. EDT on flu.gov.
The more Repubos that reject vaccination, the more votes we get, but I have long said–get vaccinated; get your kids vaccinated; get your parents vaccinated NOW.
And get the seasonal flu and Pneumovax if age appropriate.
I warned you.
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
12:20 pm
stands for decibels
October 30th, 2009
12:03 pm
Yes, I would agree that nude volleyball team would be a liberal nightmare. Here’s the conservative nightmare nude lineup:
Michael Moore
Barney Frank
Cynthia McKinney
Cynthina would be safe though. No one would look at her. Especially Barney.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
12:20 pm
@Paul
Being a religious jihadist does not make you a citizen of a country.
If you will recall, 17 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudia Arabia, not Iran.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:20 pm
Bud –
“I waited and waited for Ono and Tiny Tim to collaborate and put out an album of, say, Christmas songs, for instance”
well, you got Bob Dylan … will that hold you for now?
(and the reviews here have been … well … pretty much “WTF” all around)
Joey
October 30th, 2009
12:20 pm
A few posted comments from Jay’s October 21 at 7:39 post announcing that Iran has agreed to a draft deal:
“Good! So now maybe there will be no “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” talk any more.”
“Wonder what Israel is going to use to shake us down with now.”
“Diplomacy is som much neater than carpet bombing.”
“Another success Nobel Peace and President Barak H. Obama – the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner. Suck, Obama haters!!!”
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 30th, 2009
12:21 pm
http://twitter.com/CDCFLU
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23H1N1
Tom Frieden MD’s conference @ 1:30PM Be there or be square.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:22 pm
Jackie
You may want to examine their activities in Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan.
If you mean attack Israel: you may want to examine a map, the separation of Iran from Israel, then consider what the implications are for a conventional attack vs a nuclear delivery system.
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
12:23 pm
OK, I can’t hang for long, so let’s get it started early.
From what some call the great4est rock and roll band ever…
How come you’re so wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE_MBvhI6lQ
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:23 pm
“Nude volleyball with Newt Gingrich, Jonah Goldberg and Rush Limbaugh, perhaps?”
MY EYES!! MY EYES!!!
AAAAHHHHHHGGGGGGHHHHH!!!! Must. have. whiskey.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:25 pm
NiF –
“If we all lived in Tel Aviv, there would be no debate”
as someone else noted above, it’s not like Israel isn’t armed to the teeth for a fight.
I would hope that the US would refrain from nuking a country that hasn’t attacked us and that has ample defense of their own.
Kam.
so, let me get this straight. the coach of Man frickin U is complaining about money-making in football??? ohmyflippinggawd.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:25 pm
AmVet!
You got me listening to the Allman Bros. yesterday. Thanks for that!
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 30th, 2009
12:26 pm
Ah likes Dick Army, John McCain, Kay Baily Hutchison, John Boehner, Lisa Murkowski as my horror show volley ball lineup and they all have blue hands.
Ah wish ah was as politically savy as you Repuboputzikans–man the intellectual insight sho be dazzlin’.
An ya has so much power but also.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 30th, 2009
12:27 pm
You should be listenin’ to da Dooby Bros. and Three Dog Night.
Dusty
October 30th, 2009
12:27 pm
OH I should say something clever about Iran before I leave. Well…Set up a new ANSWER BELIGERANT IRAN Group., the ABIG. Israel with be the leader. The comittee will be composed of the UN, El Barade and his inspectors and Iraq. Russia, China and the USA will be totally quiet with NO COMMENTS. This will totally frustrate the Iranian Regime leaders who love publicity.
Of course, nothing will happen but it will save us a waste of time and money. Iran is going to do what it pleases anyway. Why honor them with attention?
Bue now…
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 30th, 2009
12:27 pm
You should be listenin’ _ to da Doobie Bros. & Three Dog Night.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:28 pm
Jackie 12:20
I was addressing your “does anyone think someone would be dumb enough to attack” general idea.
The idea that some nonaligned, noncountry religious fanatics would directly attack us and declare war on us was dismissed by many.
So I don’t dismiss anything.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 30th, 2009
12:29 pm
Iran and Afghanistan is where Repubozos are skeered to send their chilluns and skeered of a draft. They like to cheerlead as bumper sticker chickenhawks like Bushie and Cheney and Little Dick Chenia and Fat Megan McDumb.
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
12:29 pm
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
12:23 pm
Back at you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw8TCCkvnkQ
Dusty
October 30th, 2009
12:29 pm
..I said BYE now (not bue……ew..wee)
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 30th, 2009
12:29 pm
There are a lot of cells in place that could have attacked for years. They want to nuke like in Jericho and they will.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
12:31 pm
@Paul
Lebanon was the use of a surrogate army that tried to help the people of another country. The attack on the Marines were done by the surrogate armies of several countries.
Look at that carefully at the most recent conflict in Lebanon and determine who attacked whom? Look at the UN inspection and determine who dropped cluster bombs and use white phosphate on civilians? With those cluster bombs, which were used illegally, there are still millions of the bomblets remaining.
Gaza, the world’s largest prison, and you speak of someone trying to fight off their attacker?
I am sure you are totally missing the mark on Afghanistan. No one has attacked them and succeeded, let alone Iran having begun ANY attack.
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
12:31 pm
More of the liberal mindset
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E7a9OHRHRU
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:32 pm
USinUK
[[I would hope that the US would refrain from nuking a country that hasn’t attacked us and that has ample defense of their own.]]
Just to consider, the history of post-WWII US treaty arrangements with allies have been predicated on just that assumption – that an attack on one would be met with a response from us. Then we get into the entire level of response (total), the conditions (nuclear appropriate response to chemical or biological) and such. But, on both sides, there was the assumption each side thought the other would do it.
Bosch
Please… have one…. for me, too….
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
12:34 pm
For you GODD. Some real sweetness…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpaIfCY79gc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDJ5i7DQWFE
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:35 pm
Jackie
I’m not so much interested in diverging to apportion blame over there or getting into a point counterpoint of who did something bad.
I understood your question was if Iran was willing to attack someone – Israel, the US, or someone. I wasn’t exactly sure who you meant. I understand Iran is willing to militarily engage, even if at this point it’s been through surrogates or indirectly in the areas cited.
Kamchak
October 30th, 2009
12:35 pm
USinUK
As I understand the protocols involved, the professional club can refuse to release players to the international team. Fergie would do best to stay out of the press in light of the havoc his supporters inflicted last week.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
12:36 pm
@Paul
You can not have a nuclear weapon without that weapon leaving a signature. It matters not if a country is “non-aligned.” If the weapon came from said country, they are responsible, end of story.
An example: North Korea is full of bluster and has a nuclear weapon. The USA has more than 35,000 military personell in
South Korea. Wonder what they the North Koreans have not attacked the South Koreans and the USA?
Intelligence reports indicate they have one of the largest and aggressively trained armies in the world and have more artillery pieces than any other army.
The speak of their intentions, but nothing ever happens.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:37 pm
Paul –
12:32 – I understand where you’re coming from – but, let’s be honest here – that understanding was built on a premise that the USSR would be the aggressor and that WE would be the only country with the fire-power that could answer it.
I don’t think that this situation is even remotely like any post WWII understanding.
fwiw, I think this is nothing more than a game of chicken, with Iran trying to force Israel to do something that would 1) draw the ire of the Arab nations which would 2) force our hand. the key is Israel keeping a cool head.
Oilie North
October 30th, 2009
12:39 pm
Ok NiF,
Little Lady-Man it is.
Henceforth, I’ll be referring to you as Little Lady-Man.
So, Little Lady-Man, what are you dressing up as tomorrow? Ballerina? Nurse? Policeman? Motorcycle Guy?
stands for decibels
October 30th, 2009
12:39 pm
JC @ 12.20, to get a bit serious for a moment (and not to give you a hard time about your light-hearted post)…
I wasn’t aware until now of the sad circumstances surrounding Ms. McKinney’s aunt Hazel, whose death in September was the apparent result of complications from a routine colonoscopy.
Setting aside what might be seen as a possibly unseemly effort to politicize a tragedy… that really stinks.
My condolences to anyone family or friends, who might happen to see this.
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
12:40 pm
Anything Al Gore is hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64&feature=PlayList&p=09289D437823CF73&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:41 pm
kam –
“Fergie would do best to stay out of the press in light of the havoc his supporters inflicted last week”
gah. not to mention, doesn’t he still have his own fish to fry questioning a ref’s fitness to officiate premiership games???
he needs to ixnay on the ommentarycay
joe matarotz
October 30th, 2009
12:41 pm
Gee. Iran not cooperating? Never saw that coming.
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
12:41 pm
stands for decibels
October 30th, 2009
12:39 pm
What?? Other than you, who politicized anything?
Pokey
October 30th, 2009
12:44 pm
WOW JB!! Didn’t see that coming!
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:44 pm
Jackie
**o you really believe that Israel would not strike with their 300 or more nuclear weapons?**
Good point. If they still could, they definitely would. It’s a small country. Where are those nukes?
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:45 pm
Jackie
I’ve made the point before – nukes leave signatures. Even if handed off to surrogates, it can be possible to determine origin.
USinUK
I was just pointing out that for years it’s been America’s policy that we would, under certain circumstances, attack someone who hadn’t attacked us.
Which leads to my other, favorite, fun, entertaining point. One of the hallmarks of the Left’s condemnation of Bush/Cheney is they led us to war with a country that never attacked us!!! Now, what is being discussed as a possibility under the Obama Administration? Yup. Worst case… attacking a country that never attacked us.
I do so love irony.
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
12:48 pm
Billy Carter, and here I thought you understood the topic at hand is music. Ask the kids about it sometime. Who knows you might even find some to tap those two left feet to!
–noun 1. an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
Here let me help ya pilgrim…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPLdyobqMoY
and of course
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3_cS_iQ-w0
stands for decibels
October 30th, 2009
12:48 pm
Other than you, who politicized anything?
Ms. McKinney, potentially. Did you see the link? She said “My aunt, while still in intensive care, was forced to be transferred to the hospital that had, in my opinion, committed a capital crime.”
Maybe “politicizing” was the wrong word. Anyway, maybe she has earned every right to be righteously PO’d about what happened. I don’t claim to know the ins and outs of this case.
later, all.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
12:48 pm
NIF, believe me, Isreal has enough to get the job done and like us they do not keep them all in one place. Another thing to consider…the cruise missle. Isreal has ‘em.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:49 pm
Paul –
“Now, what is being discussed as a possibility under the Obama Administration? Yup. Worst case… attacking a country that never attacked us.”
chickens. counting. hatched. arrange in the correct order.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:49 pm
Paul,
“Worst case… attacking a country that never attacked us.”
What choo talkin’ ’bout Paul?
mike
October 30th, 2009
12:50 pm
“There are no easy solutions to some problems. And to a few problems, there are no solutions at all, easy or otherwise.”
LOL. Anyone ever Jay expressing this sentiment when Bush was in office? What a joke.
Of course, there are problems with no easy answer. That didn’t stop folks like Bookman from attacking Bush for not coming up with said easy answer.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:51 pm
So……what’s everyone gonna be for Halloween?
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
12:53 pm
stands for decibels
You and others have ridiculed Rush in this and other posts.
“In 2001, Rush Limbaugh was diagnosed with a rare Autoimmune inner ear disease (AIED), which, in the span of three months, rendered his right ear completely deaf and left ear severely deaf.”
My sympathy to anyone family or friends, who might happen to see this.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:54 pm
Ollie
I’m dressing up exactly like you. Well almost. I won’t be walking around with real $hit in my diapers.
Truth
October 30th, 2009
12:54 pm
Bosch… I went to a party last weekend and a guy was the Obama Chia Pet. It was actually very creative!
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:54 pm
Jimmy Carter,
Will you PLEASE change your name? PLEASE?
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:55 pm
USinUK – Bosch
Chickens in proper order? What’em I talking about?
“Every assessment I’ve seen says that an air assault on Iran’s nuclear infrastructure would at best delay its program, not end it. Furthermore, that assault itself would harden Iran’s conviction that it needs the bomb to discourage outside meddling.”
(It was in Jay’s comments to kick off this thread…)
Hey AmVet
Son and daughter in law coming up this weekend, going to see They Might Be Giants. I realize they may be on the level of ABBA to some of you, but I like’em.
And it’s time to spend with my son. ’nuff said.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:56 pm
Bosch 12:54
I was wondering when that would get to you! HA!
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:56 pm
NIF@ 12:54:
Keeping it classy. One wingnut at a time.
Truth,
Obama Chia Pet huh? I like it!
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:57 pm
Normal
We will see. But this ain’t 1945. I’m afraid that retaliation would be as condemned as a first strike.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:57 pm
Paul,
I’ve held my tongue (or rather fingers), but I just can’t take it anymore!!!
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
12:58 pm
@NIF
Normal, in his 12:08 offers one of many scenarios countries use to disperse, therefore protect their defensive assets.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:59 pm
Bosch
So now you are setting the standard for classy. You really want to be in charge, don’t you? Just not enough respect in your real life?
Truth
October 30th, 2009
12:59 pm
He had a green curly wig, big ears, and a carbboard box around his neck that resembled the base on the real one. It was definately clever and it was cheap!
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:59 pm
Paul –
so, you’re saying that it’s ironic that they’d actually play out that possibility? that it would be a consideration? of course they would. they’re going to cost out every possibility open to them.
big difference between looking at every possibility and actually executing it.
pre-hatched chickens.
Jefferson
October 30th, 2009
1:02 pm
Bush called them out, axis of evil — he invades Iran and kills Hussein so they figure to fight rather than run. Its not that hard to understand. They are not a military threat to the US, but like fire ants they can sting. The Palistinian Irishmen don’t like them too much.
Send them a map with red X’s where we will land the nukes if the use a WMD, and if the do — nuke the x’s.
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
1:03 pm
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:54 pm
Why? How ’bout I use the name “Bosch”?
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
1:04 pm
For you Ronnie fans. From the Tabernacle last year…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY_Wp51XOTA
And another amazing artist – one of the best – who used his voice to speak out for the rest of us…
Let Mine Be a Voice for Peace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGQNEz-WEQ
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:04 pm
Jackie
I didn’t see a Normal at 12:08, but I’ll take your word for it.
I am worried about Iran. Free speech is gone and it is becoming more and more of a closed country. It is easy to claim that it is “them against the world.” Sometimes that sentiment results in suicide.
Maybe they are telling the truth and it is completely for defense, but if that idea is false, we are in for a rough few milliseconds in the near future.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:05 pm
Paul,
Yeah, what USinUK wrote, and in addition, I think the argument could be made much more clearly for being in Afghanistan than Iraq – although I think it’s time to bring everybody home, huddle up, regroup, and go from there.
Truth,
Did he have a label that said “Obama Chia Pet” or something to the effect? I wouldn’t necessarily get that without a clue. But yes! Clever!
Paul
October 30th, 2009
1:05 pm
USinUK
Are you saying the Administration would spend all kinds of time and effort to explore an option if it wasn’t one they’d consider? That it’s just an academic exercise, a “hey, what do you think would happen if we…” scenario?
Remember this is the administration with a President and a SecState who’ve both said “there is nothing I would not do” to keep Iran from getting the bomb.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:06 pm
Jimmy Carter,
‘Cause….Mr. Carter is my hero, and well, you are just – so anti-him!!!
NO! You may not use my name either! So there!
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
1:07 pm
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:06 pm
Guess I’ll just stick with Jimmy Carter.
He’s really your hero??
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:08 pm
Oh Paul,
“Remember this is the administration with a President and a SecState who’ve both said “there is nothing I would not do” to keep Iran from getting the bomb.”
Not that same ol’ crap again.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:09 pm
Bosch
Jimmy Carter is your hero? That has to be the world’s smallest fan club.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
1:09 pm
NiF –
“Free speech is gone and it is becoming more and more of a closed country.”
that was true in the 1980s, not any more. it’s a very young country that is tech-savvy and whose people are becoming less and less afraid of making their voices heard.
A’s days are limited, which is why he’s playing this game.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:11 pm
Jimmy Carter,
Yes, he is my hero. No biggie, just thought I’d ask. Can I call you JC?
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
1:11 pm
Paul –
“Are you saying the Administration would spend all kinds of time and effort to explore an option if it wasn’t one they’d consider? That it’s just an academic exercise, a “hey, what do you think would happen if we…” scenario?”
yes. that is exactly what they would do. that’s their job.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
1:12 pm
Bosch
Is your point a candidate is not to be taken seriously? That when SecState Clinton (then candidate Clinton) said she would ‘obliterate’ Iran if they hit Israel with one nuke she was…. what?
I admit,it’s pretty sobering to consider. Especially after what we’ve had for eight years. But all I can do is accept that the current people have said, examine what they’re doing now and go from there.
pat
October 30th, 2009
1:13 pm
Who didn’t see this one comming?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:15 pm
USinUK
**that was true in the 1980s, not any more**
I don’t want to have to find the links to the news stories, but they are killing people who are protesting the recent election. they weren’t killing their own citizens in the 80s.
I totally agree that Iran is one of the most modern countries in the middle east (not saying much), but like so many countries, their government does not represent their people.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:16 pm
Paul,
Well, if Iran did hit Israel with a nuke, then, yes, I’d say go for it. Seriously? Yes, literally? No.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:18 pm
BOsch
Jimmy Cater Fan Club:
Bosch
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
Anyone else? Anyone else?
Anybody . . . anybody?
Normal
October 30th, 2009
1:18 pm
Totally off topic, but a totally good read from Ron Paul
http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/10/30/ron.paul.fed/index.html
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
1:19 pm
@NIG
USinUK answered exactly as I would have.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:19 pm
It is not inconsistent for a real-world scenario, expressed as a system of linear equations, to possess no solution. I thought everyone knew that. Hey! Where’s Bruno. I’ll bet he knows that. Therefore, what we need is a new variable, a game changer. Something that will change that system of equations and yield a unique solution. We need the Alpha-Omega. It’s a real game changer. With it, you’ve got the power. All hail the bomb.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
1:19 pm
NiF –
“they weren’t killing their own citizens in the 80s”
I’m about to close up shop for the night and head home, but before I do, may I recommend you read up on the Ayatollah’s regime and what they did to their own people?
yes, people were shot for protesting and there were threats about what would happen if people went to the woman’s funeral. however, that didn’t stop people from gathering in the street, that didn’t stop footballers from wearing green armbands.
is it a totally free/totally open country? no, of course not – but it is a heckuva lot further along than it has been in my lifetime and is moving in a more democratic direction every day.
anyway, have a good night – i’m heading home.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
1:19 pm
@NIF
Sorry for the typo
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:20 pm
Ollie
How old are you and what are you doing using a computer for blogging in your 7th grade class?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:21 pm
USinUK
Have a good weekend.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:21 pm
NIF,
Do you need some attention from me?
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
1:21 pm
@USinUK
Have a good evening.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:22 pm
Jackie
NIG? LOL!! No problem, but that was a good one.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:26 pm
Bosch
LOL!! Just posting thoughts.
I think Carter was a good man, but he IS the reason why we have the problems in the middle east. He was very concerned about religious freedom for the Ayatollah Khomeini, but the results of that sentiment has devastated the region.
If I am being too concerned with issues and not your little pi$$ing contest, forgive me.
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
1:26 pm
Bosch, I wouldn’t worry about him.
Carter was a flawed president. All of them were.
And he surrounded himself with a bunch of Georgia goobers. And he got played like a fiddle by the criminals who were to make up the Reagan administration.
But he was a highly decorated US Naval officer and an Annapolis grad who served his country with distinction and honor.
(Besides the conned like their mean little never-served quasi-criminal pricks too much to appreciate fundamental human decency and service before self. And surprisingly they don’t even ask for Vaseline.)
This JC wouldn’t have made it through the Webelos…
Paul
October 30th, 2009
1:27 pm
USinUK
I just happen to think the Administration is considering a worst-case military response. Just an opinion. I do not think they have taken anything off the table.
And heaven help us if they haven’t, but… the Iranians think they have.
Gets pretty convoluted, doesn’t it?
md
October 30th, 2009
1:27 pm
You folks are all debating the wrong question. The real debate is whether the US will back Isreal after they decide what they will do in regards to Iran, not the other way around.
And for Jackie, you may want to read the Hamas Charter to really understand the situation. Past peace initiatives have failed solely because they refuse to amend their charter. And what does the charter say – it says in a nutshell that there will be no solution until Isreal and the Jews are obilterated through jihad. Not a lot of wiggle room there. Picture Rhode Island surrounded by enemy states wanting them to disappear, and then tell us how bad it is for RI to defend itself.
And you never answered my question from way back – Why do the palestinians only want the land occupied by Isreal, when Transjordan was their original homeland? Why not the land currently occupied by Jordan?
This is, has been, and will always be a religious war. Don’t forget, muslims bowed down to Jerusalem before they ever bowed down to Mecca. That one is still simmering in the belly of the beast.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:32 pm
I think Carter was a good man, but he IS the reason why we have the problems in the middle east.
Wow! We’ve been praying to the wrong God all these years. All hail Jimmy!
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
1:34 pm
Jay Bookman,
I would be interested to know why you are not allowing my posts to go through?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:39 pm
Taxpayer
Let me know when you think you can actually debate an issue. K?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:40 pm
Marsh
It’s because he knows what you are doing to those kitty cats.
Jay
October 30th, 2009
1:40 pm
Marsh, I have no record of any posts being rejected.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:40 pm
NIF, OK.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:41 pm
NIF, Not yet.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:41 pm
NIF, give me time.
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
1:42 pm
Jay, I’ve tried to post several times in the last hour, and nothing has appeared.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:43 pm
Marsh,
I’m not sure, but I think Paul may be behind that.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:43 pm
Tazpayer
Take your time.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:43 pm
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
1:42 pm
Jay, I’ve tried to post several times in the last hour, and nothing has appeared.
I beg to differ.
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
1:43 pm
Bosch, Could it be that Jay and Paul are one and the same?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 30th, 2009
1:45 pm
“There’s a hard core of partisan, passionate, hardcore Republicans,” Lieberman said. “There’s a hard core of partisan Democrats on the other side. And in between is the larger group, which is people who really want to see the right thing done, or want something good done for this country and them — and that means, sometimes, the better choice is somebody who’s not a Democrat.” -ABC
Sometimes?
mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
1:45 pm
Taxpayer, Beg all you want.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:45 pm
Marsh
It’s the kittens.
God don’t like kitty cat killers.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:45 pm
“Bosch, Could it be that Jay and Paul are one and the same?”
OMG!!!
Paul? Jay?
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:46 pm
Please. Oh, please. Pretty plese. Pretty pretty please. That’s all I want.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:46 pm
Marsh,
Seriously, it’s a software malfunction. It’s not Jay censoring you. It happens all the time.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
1:47 pm
Bosch 1:43
Just like the Iranians… no fingerprints.
Your other post: you’re closer to Atlanta than I am. Can you hear Jay laughing?
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:49 pm
Why yes Paul! I think I can!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 30th, 2009
1:53 pm
‘Jobs Created or Saved’ Is White House Fantasy: Caroline Baum -Bloomberg
Having a socialist in the White House ain’t no fantasy.
jconservative
October 30th, 2009
1:53 pm
WOW!!!!
“Paranormal Activity” has just surpassed “The Blair Witch Project” to become the most profitable movie ever.
The box office hit was made for less than $15,000 and as of Wednesday has grossed a whopping $65.1 million….
The movie’s box office success has reaped a staggering 414,233 percent return on its initial investment.”
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
1:54 pm
Wow, am i surprised that Iran is rejecting a nuclear deal!!! I didn’t see that one coming AT ALL!! They really snuck that one by us, yesireeee……
Paul
October 30th, 2009
1:55 pm
Anybody have any thoughts on what’s the best choice of the bad options? Just got done with an NPR program about how sanctions could backfire. Then there’s the French who view the Administration just like America used to view the French…
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:00 pm
md: The real debate is whether the US will back Isreal after they decide what they will do in regards to Iran, not the other way around.
We probably will but I don’t think we should. We already send Israel billions of dollars every year; we provide them with intelligence and military armor — I think we’re doing enough. Why should the US become Israel’s “big daddy” and hold their hands? How many Israeli soldiers are fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan? How many fought in Gulf War I for the first Bush? Not to be too cynical; but Israel seems like our pimp and we’re the dumb street walkers supplying them with every dime we earn.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 30th, 2009
2:02 pm
Ethics committee staff members have interviewed House Ways and Means Chairman Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) about one element of the complex investigation of his personal finances, as well as the lawmaker’s top aide and his son.
The Justice Department has told the ethics panel to suspend a probe of Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-W.Va.), whose personal finances federal investigators began reviewing in early 2006 after complaints from a conservative group that he was not fully revealing his real estate holdings.
The committee on June 9 authorized issuance of subpoenas to the Justice Department, the National Security Agency and the FBI for “certain intercepted communications” regarding Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.).
However, according to the July document, Rep. Maxine Waters, a high-ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee, came under scrutiny because of activities involving OneUnited Bank of Massachusetts, in which her husband owns at least $250,000 in stock.
The other, Rep. Laura Richardson, may have failed to mention property, income and liabilities on financial disclosure forms.
Good start, but that’s only about 5% of them.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
2:04 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:00 pm
Actually Debbie, we didn’t want Isreal in Gulf I for fear that it would unite the other Arab countries to Saddam. Remember Saddam kept firing SCUDs into Isreal, hoping to provoke them.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:04 pm
Hi DDR!
Got your critter candy ready?
And I have to ask… are you dressing up your little niece?
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:05 pm
Whine your slip is showing. Americans w/money, forget taxes etc. all the time. They don’t do them themselves they depend on accountants and various other entities to keep their finances in order for them. Rangel has worked for over 20 years without a hint of scandal to his name, and even though you think he’s “fishy” you should at least let the full investigation take place before you start throwing stones that might get hurled back at you. just saying…..
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
2:06 pm
Dow Jones down 230 pts to 9732. Hope this is just a retest. Im sure the Iran debacle isnt helping.
OUCH!
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
2:06 pm
Dow Jones down 230 pts to 9732. Hope this is just a retest. Im sure the Iran debacle isnt helping.
OUCH!
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:07 pm
DDR
We went to great lengths to keep them out of Desert Storm and subsequent actions. Israeli involvement would have shattered the alliance and changed all the dynamics. They are not involved because it’s most countries’ interest that they aren’t.
I just read Normal’s response. I’m gonna hit Enter anyhow -
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:10 pm
Hi Paul!! and YES I got her costume about two months ago!! I have a friend who’s a set & costume designer for the Alliance Theater so i got him to make her a princess outfit. But not just any princess mind you……he made an outfit that makes her into a CORPORATE princess!! With a little suitcase and a pair of eyeglasses to boot!! I can’ WAIT to see her in it!!
Julie, my sister-in-law, thinks I’m a little weird for having someone design a Halloween costume for a baby, however……….she’s my angel and I’m gaga over her!!! I’ve even started saving for her college fund, (since Julie doesn’t work), so that if she wants to go to college in Paris to study french cuisine, she’ll have the funds to do it!!
PS: I’ll be dressed as the wicked witch, of course…….
md
October 30th, 2009
2:11 pm
Deb,
They also happen to be the only democracy in the ME (Lebanon doesn’t yet count as it is too fragile). Do we as a “beacon for freedom” dare to not stand behind that sole democracy? Islam is on the march, and not necessarily through warfare. Ever heard of the “silent war”.
We tend to discount religion over here, but that is not the case in the ME. They may very well be playing a long game of chess vs our short game of checkers.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
2:13 pm
DebbieDoRight
Did you talk to the guy last night?
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:14 pm
Normal and Paul — I understand the dynamics/reasoning behind them not being in the war, but I still feel a deep seated resentment for us “paying” them to remain a functioning country, while we scream about the costs of health care, etc., in our own country.
Also, I don’t understand why Israel can’t take a more active role in the Middle East. Why do the AMERICANS have to police that region all the time? We’ve propped them up to become a player in the ME by giving them arms, etc. but what are we getting in return? It just seems like a really bad deal to me.
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
2:15 pm
Good Point md. Forgive dooright…I believe she thinks checkers and chess are mutually exclusive.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:15 pm
DDR
I didn’t get through the first sentence and started cracking up! Why am I not surprised?
Make sure the camera has fully charged batteries!
oh, and right now… I have dibs on being her sous chef. In Paris.
My wife was a witch last year. Tons of green makeup and one of those fake noses. Our own kids didn’t recognize her.
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
2:16 pm
“I don’t understand why Israel can’t take a more active role in the Middle Eastts here”
LOL…I certainly hope you didnt vote in the Pres elections.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
2:18 pm
All this talk of they want the bomb, they’ll get the bomb, they got the bomb, they’ll use the bomb. It’s just cannon fodder for the masses. Snap out of it, people. You only have one life to give. Give it to yourself. To hell with the war mongers and their war machines.
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
2:18 pm
OK JB fans, gotta run.
A couple of tunes from the best record (IMHO) of the millennium.
Enjoy. Peace out…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA5P4PAf1XM
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djc6dldCk3U&feature=related
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
2:18 pm
” I have dibs on being her sous chef. In Paris.”
Wanna arm wrestle?
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:19 pm
NIF — yes I did. I still felt kinda wrong for making him work so hard to talk and breathe at the same time, but we talked about football, (my FAVORITE SUBJECT — unfortunately he’s an Auburn fan; but I’m not going to hold that against him), and we talked about his family. He volunteers at the center, (I didn’t know that); and he has a minister’s license(?) and ministers to the old soldiers who come in.
He’s an inspiration and I hope to be just like him when I grow up. If i EVER grow up!!
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
2:21 pm
Congress is furious that this report leaked out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091030/ap_on_bi_ge/us_congress_leaked_ethics_report
Shouldn’t they be furious that even more of their members are just slimy enough to be investigated?
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:21 pm
DDR
The dynamics in the ME are incredibly complex with hatreds that go back much further than we’ve been a country. -But real quick (I’ve a bit more work to knock out) many of the players there regard Israel as an aggressor, not a peacemaker. Those that acknowledge Israel may want peace have their own domestic constraints on official action. The assassination of Sadat is not a distant memory. Altho several countries have signed peace treaties with Israel, they are still in the minority and in some cases have populations and institutions markedly different from their neighbors.
So it falls on us to be marriage counselor. In a polygamous marriage. Even while a couple of the wives want to murder the guy in his sleep. And all the guy wants to do is be left alone.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:22 pm
NIF
Furious? What happened to transparency? Draining the swamp? Baby steps?!!?
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
2:23 pm
“Even while a couple of the wives want to murder the guy in his sleep”
I hate it when that happens.
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
2:23 pm
LOL…Obobo gives us toilet water to drink then states “hey…atleast its water…” What a bum!
Gov’t says stimulus saved or created 650,000 jobs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_stimulus_jobs
Jimmy62
October 30th, 2009
2:24 pm
But we should be encouraged that thanks to Obama not taking any hard stance ever, Iran has had many extra months to develop their nukes.
Maybe now Obama will drop his naivete and try to get something concrete done.
md
October 30th, 2009
2:25 pm
“but I still feel a deep seated resentment for us “paying” them to remain a functioning country, while we scream about the costs of health care, etc., in our own country. ”
And what would be our cost if we didn’t prop up the only democracy in the ME? Sometimes, one must look at the cost picture from a different angle. What would the ME look like without Isreal and would it be in our best interests? No way to tell, but highly doubtful. With no friends in that part of the world, would there be other costs associated – highly probable.
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
2:26 pm
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
2:21 pm
Congress is furious that this report leaked out:
HA…Im sure Maxine Commie Waters is furious. Would love to see that beeeatch go down HARD!
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
2:27 pm
NIF,
Child, you up from your nap yet?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
2:28 pm
DebbieDoRight
Fantastic. I’m glad you took the time.
After we talked last night, I thought that you might have been talking about a contraption called a “sip & puff” which is a controlling mechanism for a high quad, which can control everything from running their wheel chair to typing on a computer. But you had said that it came out of his throat, which is what my Dad had.
I had to leave the forum last night because all that talk got me thinking about my Dad. I was getting a little misty, there.
I’m glad you spent time with him. Did he seem pleased?
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:28 pm
ok md, turd et. al. I understand the concept of Israel and our “propping up” of their government intellectually; my question is why do we CONTINUE to do it? Isn’t Israel viable enough to stand on their own two feet? It’s small yes, but it’s powerful; we’ve made sure of that. And if we are going to keep sending billions of taxpayer money to Israel indefinitely, shouldn’t we get more for our money?
Yes, they make the other Arab countries walk cautiously around them; but they have the technology to send out drones, etc to stop insurgents as well as they know the region and the regions mores and social customs first hand. Can we really depend on Israel when we need them, or is Israel going to leave us when the going gets tough in the Middle East by putting their own self interests first? That’s what I want to know.
Also I thought Afghanistan was supposed to be a “democratic” country now…..
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
2:29 pm
Turd,
Did you mention something about water quality and who’s trying to make sure it really is safe to drink. Dude! If you think that the Republicans are there to make sure you have clean air and water and such then have I got a deal on some Marshland for you.
md
October 30th, 2009
2:29 pm
“Gov’t says stimulus saved or created 650,000 jobs”
With the Salt Marsh Mouse Community reporting 500,000 of those saved jobs. Way to go Nancy!!
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:31 pm
Bosch 2:18
[[ I have dibs on being her sous chef. In Paris.”
Wanna arm wrestle?]]
Nope. I’m gonna be nice. Set you up on a date with Anna. That oughta take care of the competition. Can you say ‘ingredient’?
http://abc.go.com/shows/v/bio/anna/275793
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
2:32 pm
TF Paul
Oh they are draining the swamp alright. And finding a lot of pollution in the mud underneath. And they own that mud.
Marsh
No Nap. I was out collecting kittens so I could protect them from you.
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:33 pm
So it falls on us to be marriage counselor. In a polygamous marriage. Even while a couple of the wives want to murder the guy in his sleep. And all the guy wants to do is be left alone.
Liked that metaphor!! Gotta use it myself, (without giving you credit of course
)
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
2:36 pm
md
LOL!!
So you know about Nancy’s efforts to save the mouse, while she and her husband built a private golf course that has been sited over and over for dumping pesticides in the ground water.
But . . . she is . . so . . . upset . . . about the violence . . . back in the 70s.
I think that she is so upset because no amount of plastic surgery is going to fix that sagging face.
md
October 30th, 2009
2:40 pm
“Can we really depend on Israel when we need them, or is Israel going to leave us when the going gets tough in the Middle East by putting their own self interests first?”
I would hazard a guess that Isreal may be asking the very same question of us.
Do a little reading on the “silent war”, and then ask again why we are there.
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:43 pm
NIF: I had to leave the forum last night because all that talk got me thinking about my Dad. I was getting a little misty, there.
I’m sorry I made you sad, that was not my intent. But I hope while you were thinking about your dad you also had a little “smile” for the good times too. In New Orleans when someone dies they have this type of parade, the first couple of blocks the music is sad and the parade is somber, the next few blocks though the music turns gay and the parade is lively. I think that’s how we should remember our loved ones; you’re sad to see them gone, but you’re happy that they were in your life.
I’m glad you spent time with him. Did he seem pleased?
Yes, and I feel like an idiot for not talking to him sooner! He’s a super nice guy and he has this accent that’s incredible!! He said his mother was german and his father an american southerner (Met during WWII); so his words come out kind of funny….you’d have to hear him yourself to understand what I’m talking about. But I’m glad you recommended that I stop and talk to him; he has so much HISTORY under his hat, he’s a virtual library of knowledge — I loved sitting down and getting to know him and I’m looking forward to seeing him again.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:44 pm
DDR
Feel free to use it!
Reminds me of one of my favorite jokes (cue in a groan from Bosch). What’s the one thing a man never, ever wants t hear when he’s arguing with his wife?
“Just remember…. you have to fall asleep sometime….”
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
2:45 pm
Paul,
Well, um, thanks! She looks really, um, sweet!
You know, sweet, like sugar, like an ingredient in things you bake.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
2:47 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:28 pm
As long as we are a Jewish/Christian Nation, we will always support Isreal. I, for one, can’t find fault in that. The American Jewish voting bloc is a powerful friend to have on a politicians side.
If we ever become a truly a nation of “religious freedom”, then things might change. It’s funny, but I think of Isreal as a sleeping pit bull, and you just don’t want to go there and pull its chain.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
2:49 pm
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:44 pm
Paul, I thought it was…”where are those sicissors?”
md
October 30th, 2009
2:50 pm
Here Deb, watch this and then do your own research to determine if their info is correct.
http://vodpod.com/watch/1585294-muslim-population-growth-video
The “silent war” will end without a shot being fired.
Ever wonder why religions of any kind preach having large families???
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:50 pm
Bosch
Okay, I take it you’re not familiar with the original series? Lemme put it this way… without giving too much away…. she’s not the ingredient….
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:51 pm
Normal
That too. But that could be for stabbing. If the guy’s asleep, however….
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
2:53 pm
DebbieDoRight
I miss my Dad, but he would be almost 85 by now. My Mom is still alive and sharp as a tack. I hated that Dad looked so bad for the months before he died. He had to eat baby food and had a really bad quality of life.
It takes a while to understand what they are saying through that tube. But once you start understanding it, it all becomes clear. I’m sure he adores you for taking the time to talk to him. Most people feel like you felt and don’t want to force him to talk, but as you saw, they have so much to say and most people just walk on by.
We used to volunteer at Shepherd Center. That place will break your heart. Most spinal injuries happen to people between 18 and 25. And it usually happens to the most active people so you end up with these good looking, athletic young people who will probably never walk again. Heartbreaking.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
2:54 pm
Paul, I know…another one blamed on the worm…
Normal
October 30th, 2009
2:59 pm
NIF, I know what you mean. My mom will be 89 Tuesday. Dad died in ‘87 but he would have been 91 last August. Just as an aside, after I leave here, I’m headed for Mom’s. The sister and I have made a big mess of pinto bean soup and boiled ham, complete with the iron skillet cornbread (mine). We will break out the old albums and look at pictures after that. A fun time for all!
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
2:59 pm
@md
Per your 1:27 post.
ALL countries say things; write things.
We both know what was relevant yesterday may not be so today.
Given that statement, would you say that Israel has signed treaties and written many things saying they would do what it took for peace in the region?
I am of the philosophy “…there is a difference between what one says versus what one does.”
Would you agree that Israel should not continue to occupy the West Bank, Golan Heights, Shabait Farms and virtually keep the people of Gaza prisoner?
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
3:00 pm
md: Do a little reading on the “silent war”, and then ask again why we are there
md I have read tomes on the middle east dating all the way back to when most of that continent was part of the Ottoman empire. During the reign of Turkey, they didn’t have the type of strife and discord that they have now, per se. They still had battles between the local war lords and the Shiites and the Sunni were still at each others throats; but to the extent that they have now?, no.
I think oil, aka, money, is what changed the region into a political mine field; before the discovery of oil it was just a backwater continent left mostly alone by the turks.
I’ve also studied the “formation” of Israel after WWII when the UN requested, and most of the Arab countries agreed, that the biblical nation of Israel be allowed to continue as a home state for jewish refugees. A lot of Arab nations gave/ceded land to Israel; some changed their minds afterward, (the six day war in the 60’s); but at first it was a peaceful transfer of land with good intentions. Various historians disagree on how and why it went “south” so swiftly.
There is another biblical theory about the animosity towards Isarel’s existence. It’s stated by various theological historians that Hegar’s, (maid of Abraham and Sarah; who had Abraham’s son at Sarah’s insistence) Hegar’s son (Arab) and Sarah’s son (Israeli) will always be at war because of the treatment of Abraham and Sarah towards Hegar after Sarah gave birth to (?) [can't remember the son's name, I'm thinking it was Isiah], and proceeded to demand that Abraham kick Hegar & her son out and strand them in the desert.
But these are just theories and conjecture. Every country in the ME has their own version of what happened and why (the six day war); and their own “culprit” behind the attacks. It’s a cauldron of political intrigue and strife.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
3:05 pm
Normal
Enjoy tonight. Memories are what’s left.
BTW – good cornbread is an art form. Takes incantations and generational energy to get it to come out just right.
I’m jealous.
Tom
October 30th, 2009
3:05 pm
I can’t imagine why! Missing-Link BushDrunk kept up such an admirable dialogue with them all those years. Ahh, but he’s retired now – gone where all heroic Bushes go. G.H.W. “I bailed out on my crew at 1800 ft.”), Silverado multi-felonious Neil, Jeb (”Les have anuther lil drinkie-poo rat cheer in Florduh.”) A nifty gang of freedom-fighters!
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
3:07 pm
okay … home … dinenr’s started … just waiting for the mister to get here …
and, since I haven’t been able to get this song out of my head all day, I’m now sharing it with you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9O_0Z_j15k
(fantastic album, too)
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
3:09 pm
Normal – hugs to you and your fam – it sounds like you have a great evening planned for your mom and I’ll bet she loves having all her younguns around her!
md
October 30th, 2009
3:09 pm
Jackie,
It was not too long ago, that Isreal pulled out of Gaza as a token of peace, with the palestinians set to make the next move, and they did, Hamas moved their rockets to the new border and then went to war with the moderate side Fatah. Hamas has no intentions of a 2 State solution, and their Charter backs that up. As for the rest, those areas were just fine prior to ‘67. Had the arabs not started that war, we wouldn’t even be discussing them now.
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
3:12 pm
The sister and I have made a big mess of pinto bean soup and boiled ham, complete with the iron skillet cornbread (mine).
That’s why i LOVE the south!! You can’t eat that good in Washington State. Until I moved here I was mostly a vegetarian, (except for ribs — even Blacks who’ve turned muslim won’t give up ribs); but since I’ve been here I’ve learned that meat is GOOODDDD!!! And a little meat now and then is a good thing!! And Pinto Beans, cooked with ham and a thick gravy is DANG GOOD!
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
3:14 pm
Pat Robertson on Hate Crimes bill
Hilarious stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwbo8fz7qFE
Normal
October 30th, 2009
3:15 pm
Paul, My Moms Mom taught me to make cornbread on a wood burning stove in them thar Kentucky hills…she always said I had the touch. Love good old fashioned cornbread.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
3:17 pm
Thanks, USinUK. Hope y’all have a great weekend and Happy Halloween!!!
Paul
October 30th, 2009
3:19 pm
Normal
Like I said, it’s magic!
Was in a store the other day and spied a jar of Tupelo honey. Incredibly good stuff. Peter Fonda starred in a fine movie about a Tupelo honey guy. Anyhow, it’s special, rare, and I bought if for cornbread. To eat on it, not in it. Don’t know if it’s a proper thing to do in the South, but I do like it.
Now the trick is finding some halfway decent cornbread to put it on. These are the important challenges in life!
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
3:19 pm
Normal
Pinto beans and corn bread. Man. That is living. I hated it as a child because it’s about all we got, but what I wouldn’t give for my Grandmother’s cornbread.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
3:20 pm
@md
Somehow, I felt that you would say that Israel was attacked in 1967. History does not allow that statement support.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
As for the war between Hamas and Fatah, it was and still is two competing political views amongst their own people. Israel used this disagreement to attack the Gaza after a number of homemade rockets landed in Isareli territory and 1 of its citizens was killed. You do realize that Israel continued to do cross-border raids, kidnap citizens, cut off water, food and electricity, prevented the Palestenians from going to the beach or crossing the border with Egypt, their water allocation being 20 gallons per day, snipers still shooting children on their way to school.
If you acknowledge these document actions and take into account someone dictating your life because of perceptions about what you may do, it makes it difficult for one to understand why the other side would fight back, does it not?
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
3:22 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
3:00 pm
Abrahams son was Isaac.
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
3:23 pm
Pinto beans, cornbread and onion can’t be beat.
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
3:23 pm
DooRight…ya…MMMMMM…Pinto beans and CawnBread…YOWSUH!!
Careful…a little cawnbread goes along weigh.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
3:25 pm
Pintos are good, but Navy beans cooked long and slow with a good helping of yellow-meal cornbread with a generous amount of country butter is at the top of my list.
Growing up in the hills of NC, especially this time of year makes on think of a meal that included fried apples.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
3:28 pm
Paul, we always used black strap molasses on ours for desert, with the meal, while hot, it was honest to God home churned butter. Heaven has nothing better.
—————
NIF: I grew up with them too, but I never got tired of them…go figure. Maybe that’s how we got our divergent political views…
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
3:29 pm
USinUK: Hope I can catch you before you leave for the night. I’ve been waiting to hit you with this for the longest. Classic James Dean, see if you can figure out the movie. No cheating!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d92f_DaEqAE&feature=related
Normal
October 30th, 2009
3:30 pm
JACKIE: I never heard of Nay beans until I joined the Navy, but I do agree that they are good. I have a killer recipe for a white chili that uses them…dang good.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
3:32 pm
DEBBIE, I can’t do youtube here but I know all of the James Dean movies…give me a hint.
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
3:32 pm
Yum! Homemade fried apple pies, I’m starving for sure now!
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
3:35 pm
Careful…a little cawnbread goes along weigh.
Too funny!! You always were good with playing with words!!
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
3:36 pm
NOrmal ok, here’s the hint: Twins, angry father, not so virtuous mother…..
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
3:37 pm
Anyone ever have potatoes and okra fried together in lard? Oh man!
Normal
October 30th, 2009
3:39 pm
DEBBIE…East Of Eden?
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
3:40 pm
Nice weekend all! Cya.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
3:42 pm
MARSH, Okra, from Gods garden. Never fried them with potatos…got to try that, but I use them mainly in stews.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
3:42 pm
@Normal
As I have gotten older, cooking has become my hobby. I have collected many recipes and if you don’t mind, pass that recipe to me. Thank You.
One of the better meals is to have Navy beans, mixed greens, corn bread, fried chicken cooked with butter, fried apple pies with lots of sweet tea. Southern delight.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
3:43 pm
TF, Happy Halloween!
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
3:43 pm
Jackie at 3:20 – when i clicked on your link this is the first thing that caught my eye from Wikipedia: “The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (March 2009)”.
Depending on which historian is writing this piece, most are leaning towards their own point of view as to who was the aggressor. This is such a hotbed subject that i fear that it can never seen in “neutral” colors. I’ve read some historians who say that the Arab nations started the war, and i’ve read some that said that Israel was not only the aggressor, but instigated and agitated the Arab world behind the scenes in order to project their own image, (Israel), as victims to the world audience.
I could never find just straight ‘facts” on the subject/history of the event without the emotion/prejudice of the chronologist.
md
October 30th, 2009
3:43 pm
Jackie,
Do a little more research and seek the truth as to why Isreal technically fired the first shot in ‘67. Would you stand in the schoolyard surrounded by the big school bullies and wait for them to pummel you, or hit them in the nads and have a chance?
As for Gaza, if Hamas would quit firing rockets into Isreal, there would be no retaliation. Check the facts and you will notice Hamas is the aggressor.
If Hamas/Hezbolah were to lay down their arms tommorrow, there would be peace. If Isreal were to lay down there arms tommorrow, they would be driven to the sea. Try living with that realization.
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
3:44 pm
Normal,
When we didn’t have very much of either one, we combined them and fried them suckers up. Good eating!
Normal
October 30th, 2009
3:44 pm
Jackie, you got it. I’ll post it here Monday
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
3:45 pm
DEBBIE…East Of Eden?
ooooohhh youre good! I’ve got to try harder next time……..
Matilda
October 30th, 2009
3:45 pm
Is it time for tune-age yet?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 30th, 2009
3:46 pm
And then they hear this strange man in Washington, playing Hamlet with himself, dramatizing his own role in what should be a clear-headed and quick, unemotional decision-making process. After all, he announced his (vacuous) “comprehensive new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan” to great fanfare last March. All he has to do now is give it substance.
I can, in fact, find nothing, in his record so far, resembling a presidential decision, or specific presidential direction; only purple prose, almost never to the point. It is surely evident by now, this is a president who cannot make decisions. It grieves me that the soldiers must pay for that.-David Warren
Our “emperor” has no clothes, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 30th, 2009
3:53 pm
Am Vet–
Many thanks for the Doobie Bros. and Three Dog Night.
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
3:55 pm
Ok Normal it’s a tear jerker, (classic “chick” flick). It was originally done in the 30’s, however the most classic rendition is with Cary Grant and Deborah Kerr. The greatest line of the film is “It’s the closest thing to heaven that we have in New York.” (when talking about the Empire State Building.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 30th, 2009
4:01 pm
As Bob Baer who used to run Middle East for CIA and now writes for Time says–if Obama did give McChrystal another 40,000 troops, all fuel for American operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan goes through the Khyber Pass on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass
We are paying bribes to the Taliban (not exactly winning but that’s the Bush method of proclaiming victory) of 2 grand per truck. There is no way we have any means of fuel supporting troop increases at this time.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
4:03 pm
@md
Qualifying.
The Russians had enormous amounts of firepower pointed at us, we did not shoot first and ask questions later.
Hamas fired more than 100 of those homemade rockets into Israel and 1 Israeli citizen was killed. Israel invaded Gaza and killed more than 1,500 Palestinians and left thousands of bomblets from cluster bombs. Gaza is the world’s greatest concentration of people and the Israeli Air Force used jets to drop bombs. Wonder how they could distinguish citizens from fighters? How could they justify shelling those on the beach in Gaza using naval gunships?: Standard refrain, “we will investigate this mistake?”
Hamas/Hezbollah has AK-47’s and rocks vs. Israel’s tanks, jets and other modern weapons. Wonder what chance they have in defeating that resistance? How about Israel stop kidnapping young men and women and putting them in prison in the Negev desert without charges. Documentation shows many have been there for more than 15 years.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
4:05 pm
@I Report
Who is David Warren and what credentials does he have the supersede those of professional military and diplomatic people that say the opposite?
md
October 30th, 2009
4:10 pm
“Qualifying.
The Russians had enormous amounts of firepower pointed at us, we did not shoot first and ask questions later.”
And had Russia been firing into the US during that time period? As I said, dig a little deeper. Syria was shelling Isreal from the Golan way before the actual war. And get the heck away from Wiki, you can do better research yourself.
Guzelvis
October 30th, 2009
4:35 pm
No wonder Gadhafi trashed Ahmadinejad at U.N. Read the funny story @ http://bit.ly/15Wtzv
david wayne osedach
October 31st, 2009
9:19 am
Ahmadinejad is committed to making nuclear bombs. And he will have them. In the interim he will say anything or do anything to throw up a smokescreen. The rest of the world should know that by now.
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