Iran now rejecting nuclear deal
Iran is insisting on changes to a proposed deal regarding its nuclear fuel, and it’s pretty clear that those changes will be unacceptable to the rest of the world. “It’s a deal breaker,” Jacqueline Shire of the Institute for Science and International Security told ABC News. “It’s no dice if they want to do an installment plan.”
It’s possible that further discussion can convince Iran to accept the provisions it now seeks to change. But it’s far more likely that at the end of the process, no deal will be reached and the West will have to look to other alternatives.
Unfortunately, it’s also true that if Iran is sufficiently determined to acquire the bomb, nothing short of an outright invasion will prevent it from doing so. Every assessment I’ve seen says that an air assault on Iran’s nuclear infrastructure would at best delay its program, not end it. Furthermore, that assault itself would harden Iran’s conviction that it needs the bomb to discourage outside meddling.
There are no easy solutions to some problems. And to a few problems, there are no solutions at all, easy or otherwise.
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Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:44 pm
Jackie
**o you really believe that Israel would not strike with their 300 or more nuclear weapons?**
Good point. If they still could, they definitely would. It’s a small country. Where are those nukes?
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:45 pm
Jackie
I’ve made the point before – nukes leave signatures. Even if handed off to surrogates, it can be possible to determine origin.
USinUK
I was just pointing out that for years it’s been America’s policy that we would, under certain circumstances, attack someone who hadn’t attacked us.
Which leads to my other, favorite, fun, entertaining point. One of the hallmarks of the Left’s condemnation of Bush/Cheney is they led us to war with a country that never attacked us!!! Now, what is being discussed as a possibility under the Obama Administration? Yup. Worst case… attacking a country that never attacked us.
I do so love irony.
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
12:48 pm
Billy Carter, and here I thought you understood the topic at hand is music. Ask the kids about it sometime. Who knows you might even find some to tap those two left feet to!
–noun 1. an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
Here let me help ya pilgrim…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPLdyobqMoY
and of course
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3_cS_iQ-w0
stands for decibels
October 30th, 2009
12:48 pm
Other than you, who politicized anything?
Ms. McKinney, potentially. Did you see the link? She said “My aunt, while still in intensive care, was forced to be transferred to the hospital that had, in my opinion, committed a capital crime.”
Maybe “politicizing” was the wrong word. Anyway, maybe she has earned every right to be righteously PO’d about what happened. I don’t claim to know the ins and outs of this case.
later, all.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
12:48 pm
NIF, believe me, Isreal has enough to get the job done and like us they do not keep them all in one place. Another thing to consider…the cruise missle. Isreal has ‘em.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:49 pm
Paul –
“Now, what is being discussed as a possibility under the Obama Administration? Yup. Worst case… attacking a country that never attacked us.”
chickens. counting. hatched. arrange in the correct order.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:49 pm
Paul,
“Worst case… attacking a country that never attacked us.”
What choo talkin’ ’bout Paul?
mike
October 30th, 2009
12:50 pm
“There are no easy solutions to some problems. And to a few problems, there are no solutions at all, easy or otherwise.”
LOL. Anyone ever Jay expressing this sentiment when Bush was in office? What a joke.
Of course, there are problems with no easy answer. That didn’t stop folks like Bookman from attacking Bush for not coming up with said easy answer.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:51 pm
So……what’s everyone gonna be for Halloween?
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
12:53 pm
stands for decibels
You and others have ridiculed Rush in this and other posts.
“In 2001, Rush Limbaugh was diagnosed with a rare Autoimmune inner ear disease (AIED), which, in the span of three months, rendered his right ear completely deaf and left ear severely deaf.”
My sympathy to anyone family or friends, who might happen to see this.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:54 pm
Ollie
I’m dressing up exactly like you. Well almost. I won’t be walking around with real $hit in my diapers.
Truth
October 30th, 2009
12:54 pm
Bosch… I went to a party last weekend and a guy was the Obama Chia Pet. It was actually very creative!
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:54 pm
Jimmy Carter,
Will you PLEASE change your name? PLEASE?
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:55 pm
USinUK – Bosch
Chickens in proper order? What’em I talking about?
“Every assessment I’ve seen says that an air assault on Iran’s nuclear infrastructure would at best delay its program, not end it. Furthermore, that assault itself would harden Iran’s conviction that it needs the bomb to discourage outside meddling.”
(It was in Jay’s comments to kick off this thread…)
Hey AmVet
Son and daughter in law coming up this weekend, going to see They Might Be Giants. I realize they may be on the level of ABBA to some of you, but I like’em.
And it’s time to spend with my son. ’nuff said.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
12:56 pm
Bosch 12:54
I was wondering when that would get to you! HA!
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:56 pm
NIF@ 12:54:
Keeping it classy. One wingnut at a time.
Truth,
Obama Chia Pet huh? I like it!
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:57 pm
Normal
We will see. But this ain’t 1945. I’m afraid that retaliation would be as condemned as a first strike.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:57 pm
Paul,
I’ve held my tongue (or rather fingers), but I just can’t take it anymore!!!
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
12:58 pm
@NIF
Normal, in his 12:08 offers one of many scenarios countries use to disperse, therefore protect their defensive assets.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
12:59 pm
Bosch
So now you are setting the standard for classy. You really want to be in charge, don’t you? Just not enough respect in your real life?
Truth
October 30th, 2009
12:59 pm
He had a green curly wig, big ears, and a carbboard box around his neck that resembled the base on the real one. It was definately clever and it was cheap!
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
12:59 pm
Paul –
so, you’re saying that it’s ironic that they’d actually play out that possibility? that it would be a consideration? of course they would. they’re going to cost out every possibility open to them.
big difference between looking at every possibility and actually executing it.
pre-hatched chickens.
Jefferson
October 30th, 2009
1:02 pm
Bush called them out, axis of evil — he invades Iran and kills Hussein so they figure to fight rather than run. Its not that hard to understand. They are not a military threat to the US, but like fire ants they can sting. The Palistinian Irishmen don’t like them too much.
Send them a map with red X’s where we will land the nukes if the use a WMD, and if the do — nuke the x’s.
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
1:03 pm
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
12:54 pm
Why? How ’bout I use the name “Bosch”?
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
1:04 pm
For you Ronnie fans. From the Tabernacle last year…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY_Wp51XOTA
And another amazing artist – one of the best – who used his voice to speak out for the rest of us…
Let Mine Be a Voice for Peace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGQNEz-WEQ
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:04 pm
Jackie
I didn’t see a Normal at 12:08, but I’ll take your word for it.
I am worried about Iran. Free speech is gone and it is becoming more and more of a closed country. It is easy to claim that it is “them against the world.” Sometimes that sentiment results in suicide.
Maybe they are telling the truth and it is completely for defense, but if that idea is false, we are in for a rough few milliseconds in the near future.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:05 pm
Paul,
Yeah, what USinUK wrote, and in addition, I think the argument could be made much more clearly for being in Afghanistan than Iraq – although I think it’s time to bring everybody home, huddle up, regroup, and go from there.
Truth,
Did he have a label that said “Obama Chia Pet” or something to the effect? I wouldn’t necessarily get that without a clue. But yes! Clever!
Paul
October 30th, 2009
1:05 pm
USinUK
Are you saying the Administration would spend all kinds of time and effort to explore an option if it wasn’t one they’d consider? That it’s just an academic exercise, a “hey, what do you think would happen if we…” scenario?
Remember this is the administration with a President and a SecState who’ve both said “there is nothing I would not do” to keep Iran from getting the bomb.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:06 pm
Jimmy Carter,
‘Cause….Mr. Carter is my hero, and well, you are just – so anti-him!!!
NO! You may not use my name either! So there!
Jimmy Carter
October 30th, 2009
1:07 pm
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:06 pm
Guess I’ll just stick with Jimmy Carter.
He’s really your hero??
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:08 pm
Oh Paul,
“Remember this is the administration with a President and a SecState who’ve both said “there is nothing I would not do” to keep Iran from getting the bomb.”
Not that same ol’ crap again.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:09 pm
Bosch
Jimmy Carter is your hero? That has to be the world’s smallest fan club.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
1:09 pm
NiF –
“Free speech is gone and it is becoming more and more of a closed country.”
that was true in the 1980s, not any more. it’s a very young country that is tech-savvy and whose people are becoming less and less afraid of making their voices heard.
A’s days are limited, which is why he’s playing this game.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:11 pm
Jimmy Carter,
Yes, he is my hero. No biggie, just thought I’d ask. Can I call you JC?
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
1:11 pm
Paul –
“Are you saying the Administration would spend all kinds of time and effort to explore an option if it wasn’t one they’d consider? That it’s just an academic exercise, a “hey, what do you think would happen if we…” scenario?”
yes. that is exactly what they would do. that’s their job.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
1:12 pm
Bosch
Is your point a candidate is not to be taken seriously? That when SecState Clinton (then candidate Clinton) said she would ‘obliterate’ Iran if they hit Israel with one nuke she was…. what?
I admit,it’s pretty sobering to consider. Especially after what we’ve had for eight years. But all I can do is accept that the current people have said, examine what they’re doing now and go from there.
pat
October 30th, 2009
1:13 pm
Who didn’t see this one comming?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:15 pm
USinUK
**that was true in the 1980s, not any more**
I don’t want to have to find the links to the news stories, but they are killing people who are protesting the recent election. they weren’t killing their own citizens in the 80s.
I totally agree that Iran is one of the most modern countries in the middle east (not saying much), but like so many countries, their government does not represent their people.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:16 pm
Paul,
Well, if Iran did hit Israel with a nuke, then, yes, I’d say go for it. Seriously? Yes, literally? No.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:18 pm
BOsch
Jimmy Cater Fan Club:
Bosch
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
Anyone else? Anyone else?
Anybody . . . anybody?
Normal
October 30th, 2009
1:18 pm
Totally off topic, but a totally good read from Ron Paul
http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/10/30/ron.paul.fed/index.html
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
1:19 pm
@NIG
USinUK answered exactly as I would have.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:19 pm
It is not inconsistent for a real-world scenario, expressed as a system of linear equations, to possess no solution. I thought everyone knew that. Hey! Where’s Bruno. I’ll bet he knows that. Therefore, what we need is a new variable, a game changer. Something that will change that system of equations and yield a unique solution. We need the Alpha-Omega. It’s a real game changer. With it, you’ve got the power. All hail the bomb.
USinUK
October 30th, 2009
1:19 pm
NiF –
“they weren’t killing their own citizens in the 80s”
I’m about to close up shop for the night and head home, but before I do, may I recommend you read up on the Ayatollah’s regime and what they did to their own people?
yes, people were shot for protesting and there were threats about what would happen if people went to the woman’s funeral. however, that didn’t stop people from gathering in the street, that didn’t stop footballers from wearing green armbands.
is it a totally free/totally open country? no, of course not – but it is a heckuva lot further along than it has been in my lifetime and is moving in a more democratic direction every day.
anyway, have a good night – i’m heading home.
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
1:19 pm
@NIF
Sorry for the typo
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:20 pm
Ollie
How old are you and what are you doing using a computer for blogging in your 7th grade class?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:21 pm
USinUK
Have a good weekend.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:21 pm
NIF,
Do you need some attention from me?
Jackie
October 30th, 2009
1:21 pm
@USinUK
Have a good evening.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:22 pm
Jackie
NIG? LOL!! No problem, but that was a good one.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:26 pm
Bosch
LOL!! Just posting thoughts.
I think Carter was a good man, but he IS the reason why we have the problems in the middle east. He was very concerned about religious freedom for the Ayatollah Khomeini, but the results of that sentiment has devastated the region.
If I am being too concerned with issues and not your little pi$$ing contest, forgive me.
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
1:26 pm
Bosch, I wouldn’t worry about him.
Carter was a flawed president. All of them were.
And he surrounded himself with a bunch of Georgia goobers. And he got played like a fiddle by the criminals who were to make up the Reagan administration.
But he was a highly decorated US Naval officer and an Annapolis grad who served his country with distinction and honor.
(Besides the conned like their mean little never-served quasi-criminal pricks too much to appreciate fundamental human decency and service before self. And surprisingly they don’t even ask for Vaseline.)
This JC wouldn’t have made it through the Webelos…
Paul
October 30th, 2009
1:27 pm
USinUK
I just happen to think the Administration is considering a worst-case military response. Just an opinion. I do not think they have taken anything off the table.
And heaven help us if they haven’t, but… the Iranians think they have.
Gets pretty convoluted, doesn’t it?
md
October 30th, 2009
1:27 pm
You folks are all debating the wrong question. The real debate is whether the US will back Isreal after they decide what they will do in regards to Iran, not the other way around.
And for Jackie, you may want to read the Hamas Charter to really understand the situation. Past peace initiatives have failed solely because they refuse to amend their charter. And what does the charter say – it says in a nutshell that there will be no solution until Isreal and the Jews are obilterated through jihad. Not a lot of wiggle room there. Picture Rhode Island surrounded by enemy states wanting them to disappear, and then tell us how bad it is for RI to defend itself.
And you never answered my question from way back – Why do the palestinians only want the land occupied by Isreal, when Transjordan was their original homeland? Why not the land currently occupied by Jordan?
This is, has been, and will always be a religious war. Don’t forget, muslims bowed down to Jerusalem before they ever bowed down to Mecca. That one is still simmering in the belly of the beast.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:32 pm
I think Carter was a good man, but he IS the reason why we have the problems in the middle east.
Wow! We’ve been praying to the wrong God all these years. All hail Jimmy!
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
1:34 pm
Jay Bookman,
I would be interested to know why you are not allowing my posts to go through?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:39 pm
Taxpayer
Let me know when you think you can actually debate an issue. K?
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:40 pm
Marsh
It’s because he knows what you are doing to those kitty cats.
Jay
October 30th, 2009
1:40 pm
Marsh, I have no record of any posts being rejected.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:40 pm
NIF, OK.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:41 pm
NIF, Not yet.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:41 pm
NIF, give me time.
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
1:42 pm
Jay, I’ve tried to post several times in the last hour, and nothing has appeared.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:43 pm
Marsh,
I’m not sure, but I think Paul may be behind that.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:43 pm
Tazpayer
Take your time.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:43 pm
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
1:42 pm
Jay, I’ve tried to post several times in the last hour, and nothing has appeared.
I beg to differ.
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
1:43 pm
Bosch, Could it be that Jay and Paul are one and the same?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 30th, 2009
1:45 pm
“There’s a hard core of partisan, passionate, hardcore Republicans,” Lieberman said. “There’s a hard core of partisan Democrats on the other side. And in between is the larger group, which is people who really want to see the right thing done, or want something good done for this country and them — and that means, sometimes, the better choice is somebody who’s not a Democrat.” -ABC
Sometimes?
mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
Marsh
October 30th, 2009
1:45 pm
Taxpayer, Beg all you want.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
1:45 pm
Marsh
It’s the kittens.
God don’t like kitty cat killers.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:45 pm
“Bosch, Could it be that Jay and Paul are one and the same?”
OMG!!!
Paul? Jay?
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
1:46 pm
Please. Oh, please. Pretty plese. Pretty pretty please. That’s all I want.
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:46 pm
Marsh,
Seriously, it’s a software malfunction. It’s not Jay censoring you. It happens all the time.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
1:47 pm
Bosch 1:43
Just like the Iranians… no fingerprints.
Your other post: you’re closer to Atlanta than I am. Can you hear Jay laughing?
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
1:49 pm
Why yes Paul! I think I can!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 30th, 2009
1:53 pm
‘Jobs Created or Saved’ Is White House Fantasy: Caroline Baum -Bloomberg
Having a socialist in the White House ain’t no fantasy.
jconservative
October 30th, 2009
1:53 pm
WOW!!!!
“Paranormal Activity” has just surpassed “The Blair Witch Project” to become the most profitable movie ever.
The box office hit was made for less than $15,000 and as of Wednesday has grossed a whopping $65.1 million….
The movie’s box office success has reaped a staggering 414,233 percent return on its initial investment.”
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
1:54 pm
Wow, am i surprised that Iran is rejecting a nuclear deal!!! I didn’t see that one coming AT ALL!! They really snuck that one by us, yesireeee……
Paul
October 30th, 2009
1:55 pm
Anybody have any thoughts on what’s the best choice of the bad options? Just got done with an NPR program about how sanctions could backfire. Then there’s the French who view the Administration just like America used to view the French…
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:00 pm
md: The real debate is whether the US will back Isreal after they decide what they will do in regards to Iran, not the other way around.
We probably will but I don’t think we should. We already send Israel billions of dollars every year; we provide them with intelligence and military armor — I think we’re doing enough. Why should the US become Israel’s “big daddy” and hold their hands? How many Israeli soldiers are fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan? How many fought in Gulf War I for the first Bush? Not to be too cynical; but Israel seems like our pimp and we’re the dumb street walkers supplying them with every dime we earn.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 30th, 2009
2:02 pm
Ethics committee staff members have interviewed House Ways and Means Chairman Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) about one element of the complex investigation of his personal finances, as well as the lawmaker’s top aide and his son.
The Justice Department has told the ethics panel to suspend a probe of Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-W.Va.), whose personal finances federal investigators began reviewing in early 2006 after complaints from a conservative group that he was not fully revealing his real estate holdings.
The committee on June 9 authorized issuance of subpoenas to the Justice Department, the National Security Agency and the FBI for “certain intercepted communications” regarding Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.).
However, according to the July document, Rep. Maxine Waters, a high-ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee, came under scrutiny because of activities involving OneUnited Bank of Massachusetts, in which her husband owns at least $250,000 in stock.
The other, Rep. Laura Richardson, may have failed to mention property, income and liabilities on financial disclosure forms.
Good start, but that’s only about 5% of them.
Normal
October 30th, 2009
2:04 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:00 pm
Actually Debbie, we didn’t want Isreal in Gulf I for fear that it would unite the other Arab countries to Saddam. Remember Saddam kept firing SCUDs into Isreal, hoping to provoke them.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:04 pm
Hi DDR!
Got your critter candy ready?
And I have to ask… are you dressing up your little niece?
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:05 pm
Whine your slip is showing. Americans w/money, forget taxes etc. all the time. They don’t do them themselves they depend on accountants and various other entities to keep their finances in order for them. Rangel has worked for over 20 years without a hint of scandal to his name, and even though you think he’s “fishy” you should at least let the full investigation take place before you start throwing stones that might get hurled back at you. just saying…..
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
2:06 pm
Dow Jones down 230 pts to 9732. Hope this is just a retest. Im sure the Iran debacle isnt helping.
OUCH!
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
2:06 pm
Dow Jones down 230 pts to 9732. Hope this is just a retest. Im sure the Iran debacle isnt helping.
OUCH!
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:07 pm
DDR
We went to great lengths to keep them out of Desert Storm and subsequent actions. Israeli involvement would have shattered the alliance and changed all the dynamics. They are not involved because it’s most countries’ interest that they aren’t.
I just read Normal’s response. I’m gonna hit Enter anyhow -
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:10 pm
Hi Paul!! and YES I got her costume about two months ago!! I have a friend who’s a set & costume designer for the Alliance Theater so i got him to make her a princess outfit. But not just any princess mind you……he made an outfit that makes her into a CORPORATE princess!! With a little suitcase and a pair of eyeglasses to boot!! I can’ WAIT to see her in it!!
Julie, my sister-in-law, thinks I’m a little weird for having someone design a Halloween costume for a baby, however……….she’s my angel and I’m gaga over her!!! I’ve even started saving for her college fund, (since Julie doesn’t work), so that if she wants to go to college in Paris to study french cuisine, she’ll have the funds to do it!!
PS: I’ll be dressed as the wicked witch, of course…….
md
October 30th, 2009
2:11 pm
Deb,
They also happen to be the only democracy in the ME (Lebanon doesn’t yet count as it is too fragile). Do we as a “beacon for freedom” dare to not stand behind that sole democracy? Islam is on the march, and not necessarily through warfare. Ever heard of the “silent war”.
We tend to discount religion over here, but that is not the case in the ME. They may very well be playing a long game of chess vs our short game of checkers.
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
2:13 pm
DebbieDoRight
Did you talk to the guy last night?
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:14 pm
Normal and Paul — I understand the dynamics/reasoning behind them not being in the war, but I still feel a deep seated resentment for us “paying” them to remain a functioning country, while we scream about the costs of health care, etc., in our own country.
Also, I don’t understand why Israel can’t take a more active role in the Middle East. Why do the AMERICANS have to police that region all the time? We’ve propped them up to become a player in the ME by giving them arms, etc. but what are we getting in return? It just seems like a really bad deal to me.
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
2:15 pm
Good Point md. Forgive dooright…I believe she thinks checkers and chess are mutually exclusive.
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:15 pm
DDR
I didn’t get through the first sentence and started cracking up! Why am I not surprised?
Make sure the camera has fully charged batteries!
oh, and right now… I have dibs on being her sous chef. In Paris.
My wife was a witch last year. Tons of green makeup and one of those fake noses. Our own kids didn’t recognize her.
Turd Ferguson
October 30th, 2009
2:16 pm
“I don’t understand why Israel can’t take a more active role in the Middle Eastts here”
LOL…I certainly hope you didnt vote in the Pres elections.
Taxpayer
October 30th, 2009
2:18 pm
All this talk of they want the bomb, they’ll get the bomb, they got the bomb, they’ll use the bomb. It’s just cannon fodder for the masses. Snap out of it, people. You only have one life to give. Give it to yourself. To hell with the war mongers and their war machines.
AmVet
October 30th, 2009
2:18 pm
OK JB fans, gotta run.
A couple of tunes from the best record (IMHO) of the millennium.
Enjoy. Peace out…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA5P4PAf1XM
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djc6dldCk3U&feature=related
Bosch
October 30th, 2009
2:18 pm
” I have dibs on being her sous chef. In Paris.”
Wanna arm wrestle?
DebbieDoRight
October 30th, 2009
2:19 pm
NIF — yes I did. I still felt kinda wrong for making him work so hard to talk and breathe at the same time, but we talked about football, (my FAVORITE SUBJECT — unfortunately he’s an Auburn fan; but I’m not going to hold that against him), and we talked about his family. He volunteers at the center, (I didn’t know that); and he has a minister’s license(?) and ministers to the old soldiers who come in.
He’s an inspiration and I hope to be just like him when I grow up. If i EVER grow up!!
Nothing Is Free
October 30th, 2009
2:21 pm
Congress is furious that this report leaked out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091030/ap_on_bi_ge/us_congress_leaked_ethics_report
Shouldn’t they be furious that even more of their members are just slimy enough to be investigated?
Paul
October 30th, 2009
2:21 pm
DDR
The dynamics in the ME are incredibly complex with hatreds that go back much further than we’ve been a country. -But real quick (I’ve a bit more work to knock out) many of the players there regard Israel as an aggressor, not a peacemaker. Those that acknowledge Israel may want peace have their own domestic constraints on official action. The assassination of Sadat is not a distant memory. Altho several countries have signed peace treaties with Israel, they are still in the minority and in some cases have populations and institutions markedly different from their neighbors.
So it falls on us to be marriage counselor. In a polygamous marriage. Even while a couple of the wives want to murder the guy in his sleep. And all the guy wants to do is be left alone.