Iran now rejecting nuclear deal

Iran is insisting on changes to a proposed deal regarding its nuclear fuel, and it’s pretty clear that those changes will be unacceptable to the rest of the world. “It’s a deal breaker,” Jacqueline Shire of the Institute for Science and International Security told ABC News. “It’s no dice if they want to do an installment plan.”

It’s possible that further discussion can convince Iran to accept the provisions it now seeks to change. But it’s far more likely that at the end of the process, no deal will be reached and the West will have to look to other alternatives.

Unfortunately, it’s also true that if Iran is sufficiently determined to acquire the bomb, nothing short of an outright invasion will prevent it from doing so. Every assessment I’ve seen says that an air assault on Iran’s nuclear infrastructure would at best delay its program, not end it. Furthermore, that assault itself would harden Iran’s conviction that it needs the bomb to discourage outside meddling.

There are no easy solutions to some problems. And to a few problems, there are no solutions at all, easy or otherwise.

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Truth

October 30th, 2009
10:53 am

there are solutions, but they definately are not easy!

jt

October 30th, 2009
11:03 am

“And to a few problems, there are no solutions at all, easy or otherwise.”

Balderdash!

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
11:03 am

No surprise here. Iran will chart its own course and everyone else be D a m n e d.

If I recall my geography correctly the only thing standing between Israel and Iran is Jordan, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Iraq…none of which offer any resistance to a “fly-over”.

“Its gettin hot in here, Is-ra-els dropping bombs”

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
11:12 am

What we need here is a good ole fashioned speech!! Say one from our current Campaigner n Chief. Ya! Then, kinda like the icing on the cake, Obobo, Boner, Sting and Sean Penn could visit the UN, hold hands and simg a couple verses of Kum By Ya!!

That would teach those Iranians.

Oilie North

October 30th, 2009
11:25 am

I will solve this problem by selling them bombs. The proceeds will save the American economy and I will be a hero again just like when Reagan and I traded bombs for the hostages.

I am the best thing that ever happened to America!

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
11:25 am

TF –

well, I kinda like U2 and Sting, but a few minutes of Yoko Ono and I’d pretty much surrender and give you anything you wanted.

just sayin.

booger

October 30th, 2009
11:25 am

If Obama dithers long enough Isreal will take care of the problem. We may not like the worldwide result but at least Obama can say it wasn’t my fault.

GEORGE CONSERVATIVE

October 30th, 2009
11:26 am

I CAN FIX THIS:

BOMB BOMB BOMB
BOMB BOMB IRAN!!!

GEORGE CONSERVATIVE

October 30th, 2009
11:29 am

I’D MUCH PREFER A SPEECH BY ACADEMY AWARD WINNER JON VOIGHT OR CONSERVATIVE LEADERS BECK AND LIMBAUGH. WE NEED TO HEAR EVEN MORE FORM THERE REASSURING VOICES.

MAYBE TED NUGGENT COULD MAKE A SPEECH. HE’S MUCH BETTER THAN STING!!!

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
11:30 am

Marsh

From your link:

In 2006, Senator Lieberman was elected to a fourth term as an Independent,

Now who Gotcha/d who?

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
11:31 am

More failed Obama foreign policy.

But there is that GDP.

Bosch

October 30th, 2009
11:33 am

NIF@ 11:17 –

“Bosch

Actually you can take it and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine, fascist.”

Nothing Is Free
October 29th, 2009
4:36 pm

“Do you realize that when you need to resort to your asinine, adolescent little attempts at insults, it just says that you have no argument and this is the best you can do?

No. I didn’t think so.”

Bosch

October 30th, 2009
11:34 am

USinUK,

“but a few minutes of Yoko Ono and I’d pretty much surrender and give you anything you wanted.”

Fer rizzle.

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
11:34 am

Hey Ollie

It’s not a good day for the demkrats so you better dig up more crap on the Republicans.

Anything about Lincoln?

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
11:37 am

Bosch

I’m glad you took the time. LOL!!

Proves nothing other than how pathetic your attempts are becoming. How about getting your little emotions under control. Go set in the corner and think about who you have voted for.

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
11:38 am

Stop teasing me USK or Im gonna break out my Yoko Anthology Collection.

Normal

October 30th, 2009
11:39 am

Let them have the bomb. Sometimes like a child playing with fire, you just have to let him get burned to teach him a lesson.

Iran will learn that if you get what you wish for, you might not like it. If they ever supposed that they could bomb Isreal and get away with it, they would be wrong and what’s more is they know it. Isreal would turn them into stained glass.

Look at North Korea, have they nuced anyone yet?

If they get the bomb they will learn what a Pandora’s Box they have…and they won’t have the guts to use it.

They can be contained. Just let them know how many warheads will be pointed at them from this time on.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
11:40 am

TF –

haha … talk about a mood killer … nothing less attractive than bleeding from the ears …

Marsh

October 30th, 2009
11:41 am

All hope is not lost.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
11:42 am

Bosch –

it looks like someone didn’t get their ritilin today …

Kamchak

October 30th, 2009
11:42 am

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
11:43 am

Normal

I disagree. North Korea’s government is not based on a 12th century suicide cult. Iran’s leaders would consider it an honor to sacrifice their country if it means that they wiped Israel off the planet.

I’m sure the Iranian people would not go for that, but the leaders in Iran are far on the other side of crazy.

Oilie North

October 30th, 2009
11:43 am

That’s Lieutenant Kernal Oilie North to you, Ms. Nothing is Free.

Marsh

October 30th, 2009
11:44 am

NIF @ 11:30,

Child, go take a nap and leave the blogging to the grownups. You can’t even read yet.

Shawny

October 30th, 2009
11:46 am

unfortunately, letting them have the bomb does burn, but it wouldn’t be them that get burned.

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
11:46 am

Ollie

Don’t take it so hard. After 2012, you can complain abut the party that is in power.

Marsh

Lieberman is an independent. K?

Call it like it is.

October 30th, 2009
11:46 am

Okay, a story that states NOTHING. Jay I am used to this junk from Cindy Lou, but most of the time you add a little more meat to the subject. Come on put your skills to the test, you love Obama, tell us what “you” think he will do. If Bush was still the man, you would damn him no matter what he did. What will the all mighty do on this?

As far as air assault doing nothing? What? Dude read your own paper, The AJC was just talking about how America is in the process of making a bomb right now that will enter their little bunker and turn it into a glass factory. You don’t think that will deter them? When Regan bomb Libya, didnt hear too much from them did you?

Come on tell us what you think the “man” will do. Were all waiting……

Bosch

October 30th, 2009
11:47 am

Kamchak,

Wow. :-)

USinUK,

“it looks like someone didn’t get their ritilin today …”

Oh thanks for reminding me!!

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
11:48 am

Ollie

BTW. Did you mean to insult me by the Ms? So you consider calling someone a woman as being an insult?

Yet another lib that just can’t decide who to hate.

Taxpayer

October 30th, 2009
11:50 am

Jay! You underestimate the GOP. There’s always room for a bigger and better bomb.

Marsh

October 30th, 2009
11:50 am

NIF,

And quit making up stories about your having served in the military. What an imagination you have! When you grow up, you should use it for the good of the world.

Normal

October 30th, 2009
11:51 am

NIF, their Clergy is not that stupid. When you have the power and all of its perks, you do not want to commit suicide. You want to live and enjoy your power. You let the underlings jump and threaten but you never allow the button to be pushed.

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
11:52 am

Enter your comments here

Bosch

October 30th, 2009
11:53 am

Normal,

That’s been my position for ever on nuclear weapons.

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
11:53 am

Marsh

And yet another day of this. OK I’lll play..

And you better quit stomping kittens.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
11:56 am

Maybe we could send Barry over there and he could work his “olympic magic” on Iran.

Oilie North

October 30th, 2009
11:57 am

NiF,
You would prefer the title “Little Lady-Man”?

Jim Bomb Walton

October 30th, 2009
11:57 am

Taxpayer

October 30th, 2009
11:50 am

The biggest bomb we have in this country is the guy occupying the white house. Which campaign promises has he kept?

jt

October 30th, 2009
11:57 am

Jay Bookman-

I just heard about Neal Boortz starting to write for the AJC. That is funny considering how Neal has constantly slammed your paper for years.

Now is the time sir to get in touch with your inner Paul Theroiux.
You can do him better.

I have connections in S. Africa AND Somalia. I know the route. Think about it. The first AJC journalist in Somalia. (human interest, politics, fishing, etc…..) . No matter what you hear, it is not that dangerous. And it would only take the minimum of per diem checks. We can make Paul T. jealous.

If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much room.

Let me know.

Jackie

October 30th, 2009
11:58 am

If anyone bombs Iran, they choke off the Straits of Hormuz, where 60% of the world’s oil traverses. Wonder how the past recession would look and feel compared to what it would be like with that much of the world’s energy taken off the market?

The question should be asked, if and when Iran does acquire a nuclear weapon, what are they going to do with it?

Does anyone really believe they would attack another country, knowing they would risk TOTAL annihilation? Don’t think they are that stupid!!!!

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
11:59 am

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
11:25 am

A few minutes? You’re one tough bird. Seconds would take me down.

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
12:03 pm

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
12:03 pm

I will make this simple for one and all. Obviously, Americans have been browbeaten into believing, for several decades now, that Iran’s leaders are uniquely crazy and this informs every single phase of negotiations we have with them. Even though our actual leaders know better than this, they have to go home with information that would displease those who will go to their graves believing that Iran’s leaders are uniquely crazy.

Like Jay says, some problems don’t have solutions.

moving along…

haha … talk about a mood killer … nothing less attractive than bleeding from the ears …

Nude volleyball with Newt Gingrich, Jonah Goldberg and Rush Limbaugh, perhaps?

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
12:03 pm

Normal

Old men that don’t have that long to live anyway I don’t think so. Their religion is not a facade. They actually believe that martyred deaths give great rewards in the afterlife. I couldn’t imagine a more worthy goal to them then to wipe out Israel.

Whatever happens, I’m afraid that we will live to see it. All implications are saying that they will be nuclear by the end of next year. You may be right and they may use it to just terrorize the region. Nukes are the ultimate Ace in the hole.

One thing is for certain: they are no bigger fans of Obama than they were of Bush. In fact, he is probably less favorably regarded. Bush was a Christian, Obama was born to a Muslim father and then converted to Christianity, i.e. he turned his back on Islam.

Whatever happens, it’s probably not going to be good.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
12:05 pm

not jimmeh –

11:59 – deaf in one ear from the last time I heard Yoko.

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
12:06 pm

Ollie

**You would prefer the title “Little Lady-Man”?**

Whatever, Pal. What some anonymous dolt calls me on a left leaning forum is hardly going to change my life.

Dusty

October 30th, 2009
12:06 pm

Aww, Jay went and jumped to Iran just as I was getting to cheesy grits. Never fails. He’ll be trying to indict Palin (AGAIN) before I get back. I think Jay was raised on Baked Alaska (which is better than shrimpy grits Right, bosch?)

Oh well, later…

Paul

October 30th, 2009
12:07 pm

When I heard of the initial resistance and A’s speech a couple days ago, I’d hoped it was playing to the domestic audience, plus looking for a little wiggle room to save face. They’re quite the manhood-testosterone-inferiority complex-religious guys over there. Best to leave them a way out and to have a few things that don’t matter.

Now this. You are correct, Jay. There are no good alternatives and plenty with unintended consequences. And to paraphrase the remark that led the Left to so ridicule SecDef Rumsfeld “There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.”

(Which are all standard statements in those war games the Pentagon does).

There’s a lot here we know we don’t know. And it’s all bad. We may be reduced to picking the least worst option.

Sometimes I wonder why people run for the presidency.

Kamchak

October 30th, 2009
12:08 pm

The biggest bomb we have in this country is the guy occupying the white house. Which campaign promises has he kept?

Another day, another posting of this site.

Kudos to dB.

jconservative

October 30th, 2009
12:08 pm

We cannot allow Iran get the bomb. We should just go ahead & bomb them off the face of the earth like we did Israel, India, Pakistan & North Korea when they got the bomb.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
12:08 pm

dB –

“Nude volleyball with Newt Gingrich, Jonah Goldberg and Rush Limbaugh, perhaps?”

so much doughy-ness in one place … it would have to affect the space/time continuum …

Swami Dave

October 30th, 2009
12:09 pm

This is what happens when you presume to be able to negotiate with liars and thieves lacking the honor to negotiate in good faith. It is for this exact reason that you do not “negotiate” with car jackers or burglars.

In this case, the Iranian goal is not a win-win solution for all, but a solution that furthers enhances the power and stature of a hate-filled supporter of terrorism beholden to a extremist, cult-driven worldview.

This is why wise people refuse to engage these narrow-minded bigots in any level of negotiation and simply notify them that there -is- a line over which their crossing will trigger consequences.

-SD

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
12:10 pm

Jackie

Total annihilation by who? Do you really believe that Obama would push the button that would kill millions and millions of innocent people in a civilized country? I don’t think that Bush would have done that. I KNOW Obama wouldn’t.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
12:10 pm

Jackie

[[Does anyone really believe they would attack another country, knowing they would risk TOTAL annihilation? Don’t think they are that stupid!!!!]]

Funny thing about dealing with religious fanatics. Did anyone really think Islamic jihadists would be stupid enough to directly attack the US and declare war on us?

Back to your question. I believe the Israelis do. Which is another wild card. Which is also why candidate Clinton said that if Iran got the bomb and attacked Israel, she, as President, would obliterate Iran.

Best not to make threats one is not prepared to execute.

Jackie

October 30th, 2009
12:11 pm

How many realize that Iran has one of the largest Jewish communities in the Middle East, outside of Israel?

The religious Jewish community was protected by Ayatollah Khomeni when he came to power. The political Jewish community – Zionists – are not looked upon favorably.

http://www.sephardicstudies.org/iran.html

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
12:13 pm

so much doughy-ness in one place … it would have to affect the space/time continuum …

There’s a joke involving Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin and yeast. But I’m not going to make it.

Another day, another posting of this site.

The wingers keep posing that question, we’ll keep citing politifact. yep.

Bud Wiser

October 30th, 2009
12:13 pm

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
11:25 am

TF –

well, I kinda like U2 and Sting, but a few minutes of Yoko Ono and I’d pretty much surrender and give you anything you wanted.

I waited and waited for Ono and Tiny Tim to collaborate and put out an album of, say, Christmas songs, for instance.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
12:13 pm

“Do you really believe that Obama would push the button that would kill millions and millions of innocent people in a civilized country? I don’t think that Bush would have done that. I KNOW Obama wouldn’t.”

I love how he says that like it’s a bad thing.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
12:13 pm

sfd

[[“Nude volleyball with Newt Gingrich, Jonah Goldberg and Rush Limbaugh, perhaps?”]]

Some things are just plain wrong…..

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
12:14 pm

This is what happens when you presume to be able to negotiate with liars and thieves lacking the honor to negotiate in good faith

But, enough about the Senate.

Jackie

October 30th, 2009
12:15 pm

@NIF

If Iran attacks another country, specifically Israel with a nuclear weapon, do you really believe that Israel would not strike with their 300 or more nuclear weapons?

@Paul

If Iran were so hawkish, why have they not attacked already? Did that thought ever come to mind?

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
12:15 pm

Perhaps a Christmas duet album by Boner and Sting. They could stand face to face, stare lovingly into one another eyes and sing Silent Night. When finished Sean Penn could give them both a big sloppy kiss if he wasnt to busy trashing America.

OH…its time to break out the South Park Christmas CD…YA!!

Nothing Is Free

October 30th, 2009
12:16 pm

USinUk

For you setting in London and me setting in Atlanta and Obama setting in Washington, whether or not it is bad or good is debatable.

If we all lived in Tel Aviv, there would be no debate.

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
12:16 pm

Talk about your unsettling mental images.

Thankfully, I never was much of a volleyball as a spectator sport type.

Besides the conned are by and large (get it?) athletically challenged.

(They hated JFK and his Council on Youth Fitness doncha know?)

And the only nude Republican I’d like to see is Meghan McCain.

Kamchak

October 30th, 2009
12:19 pm

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 30th, 2009
12:19 pm

Ah done said–Iran has nuclear war capability. Deal with it. No need futzin’ ’bout dey do dey don’t. Dey gon’ get it. US intelligence= Falcon’s defense so we gotta depend on Israeli Mossad.

Meanwhile Repubos who don’t dare put their babuhs in the Armed forces cause that interferes with stayin’ drunk on campus in the mode of Bushie, have found a way to sacrifice their children but the coffins don’t get to Dover.

They is witholding vaccination for H1N1 Oink Flu and a record number died this week (22 kids, several adults).

Tom Frieden tryin’ to put the best face on it. Only way you get babuhs attention is to get NFL, NBA, hip hop stars to support vaccination in spots the way Obama got ‘em for his election.

Watch the CDC Director’s live press brief on 2009 #H1N1 flu and vaccine distribution. Today (10/30) @ 1:30 p.m. EDT on flu.gov.

The more Repubos that reject vaccination, the more votes we get, but I have long said–get vaccinated; get your kids vaccinated; get your parents vaccinated NOW.

And get the seasonal flu and Pneumovax if age appropriate.

I warned you.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
12:20 pm

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
12:03 pm

Yes, I would agree that nude volleyball team would be a liberal nightmare. Here’s the conservative nightmare nude lineup:

Michael Moore
Barney Frank
Cynthia McKinney

Cynthina would be safe though. No one would look at her. Especially Barney.

Jackie

October 30th, 2009
12:20 pm

@Paul

Being a religious jihadist does not make you a citizen of a country.
If you will recall, 17 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudia Arabia, not Iran.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
12:20 pm

Bud –

“I waited and waited for Ono and Tiny Tim to collaborate and put out an album of, say, Christmas songs, for instance”

well, you got Bob Dylan … will that hold you for now?

(and the reviews here have been … well … pretty much “WTF” all around)

Joey

October 30th, 2009
12:20 pm

A few posted comments from Jay’s October 21 at 7:39 post announcing that Iran has agreed to a draft deal:
“Good! So now maybe there will be no “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” talk any more.”
“Wonder what Israel is going to use to shake us down with now.”
“Diplomacy is som much neater than carpet bombing.”
“Another success Nobel Peace and President Barak H. Obama – the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner. Suck, Obama haters!!!”

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 30th, 2009
12:21 pm

http://twitter.com/CDCFLU
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23H1N1

Tom Frieden MD’s conference @ 1:30PM Be there or be square.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
12:22 pm

Jackie

You may want to examine their activities in Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan.

If you mean attack Israel: you may want to examine a map, the separation of Iran from Israel, then consider what the implications are for a conventional attack vs a nuclear delivery system.

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
12:23 pm

OK, I can’t hang for long, so let’s get it started early.

From what some call the great4est rock and roll band ever…

How come you’re so wrong?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE_MBvhI6lQ

Bosch

October 30th, 2009
12:23 pm

“Nude volleyball with Newt Gingrich, Jonah Goldberg and Rush Limbaugh, perhaps?”

MY EYES!! MY EYES!!!

AAAAHHHHHHGGGGGGHHHHH!!!! Must. have. whiskey.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
12:25 pm

NiF –

“If we all lived in Tel Aviv, there would be no debate”

as someone else noted above, it’s not like Israel isn’t armed to the teeth for a fight.

I would hope that the US would refrain from nuking a country that hasn’t attacked us and that has ample defense of their own.

Kam.

so, let me get this straight. the coach of Man frickin U is complaining about money-making in football??? ohmyflippinggawd.

Bosch

October 30th, 2009
12:25 pm

AmVet!

You got me listening to the Allman Bros. yesterday. Thanks for that!

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 30th, 2009
12:26 pm

Ah likes Dick Army, John McCain, Kay Baily Hutchison, John Boehner, Lisa Murkowski as my horror show volley ball lineup and they all have blue hands.

Ah wish ah was as politically savy as you Repuboputzikans–man the intellectual insight sho be dazzlin’.

An ya has so much power but also.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 30th, 2009
12:27 pm

You should be listenin’ to da Dooby Bros. and Three Dog Night.

Dusty

October 30th, 2009
12:27 pm

OH I should say something clever about Iran before I leave. Well…Set up a new ANSWER BELIGERANT IRAN Group., the ABIG. Israel with be the leader. The comittee will be composed of the UN, El Barade and his inspectors and Iraq. Russia, China and the USA will be totally quiet with NO COMMENTS. This will totally frustrate the Iranian Regime leaders who love publicity.

Of course, nothing will happen but it will save us a waste of time and money. Iran is going to do what it pleases anyway. Why honor them with attention?

Bue now…

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 30th, 2009
12:27 pm

You should be listenin’ _ to da Doobie Bros. & Three Dog Night.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
12:28 pm

Jackie 12:20

I was addressing your “does anyone think someone would be dumb enough to attack” general idea.

The idea that some nonaligned, noncountry religious fanatics would directly attack us and declare war on us was dismissed by many.

So I don’t dismiss anything.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 30th, 2009
12:29 pm

Iran and Afghanistan is where Repubozos are skeered to send their chilluns and skeered of a draft. They like to cheerlead as bumper sticker chickenhawks like Bushie and Cheney and Little Dick Chenia and Fat Megan McDumb.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
12:29 pm

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
12:23 pm

Back at you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw8TCCkvnkQ

Dusty

October 30th, 2009
12:29 pm

..I said BYE now (not bue……ew..wee)

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 30th, 2009
12:29 pm

There are a lot of cells in place that could have attacked for years. They want to nuke like in Jericho and they will.

Jackie

October 30th, 2009
12:31 pm

@Paul

Lebanon was the use of a surrogate army that tried to help the people of another country. The attack on the Marines were done by the surrogate armies of several countries.

Look at that carefully at the most recent conflict in Lebanon and determine who attacked whom? Look at the UN inspection and determine who dropped cluster bombs and use white phosphate on civilians? With those cluster bombs, which were used illegally, there are still millions of the bomblets remaining.

Gaza, the world’s largest prison, and you speak of someone trying to fight off their attacker?

I am sure you are totally missing the mark on Afghanistan. No one has attacked them and succeeded, let alone Iran having begun ANY attack.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
12:31 pm

Paul

October 30th, 2009
12:32 pm

USinUK

[[I would hope that the US would refrain from nuking a country that hasn’t attacked us and that has ample defense of their own.]]

Just to consider, the history of post-WWII US treaty arrangements with allies have been predicated on just that assumption – that an attack on one would be met with a response from us. Then we get into the entire level of response (total), the conditions (nuclear appropriate response to chemical or biological) and such. But, on both sides, there was the assumption each side thought the other would do it.

Bosch

Please… have one…. for me, too….

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
12:34 pm

Paul

October 30th, 2009
12:35 pm

Jackie

I’m not so much interested in diverging to apportion blame over there or getting into a point counterpoint of who did something bad.

I understood your question was if Iran was willing to attack someone – Israel, the US, or someone. I wasn’t exactly sure who you meant. I understand Iran is willing to militarily engage, even if at this point it’s been through surrogates or indirectly in the areas cited.

Kamchak

October 30th, 2009
12:35 pm

USinUK

As I understand the protocols involved, the professional club can refuse to release players to the international team. Fergie would do best to stay out of the press in light of the havoc his supporters inflicted last week.

Jackie

October 30th, 2009
12:36 pm

@Paul

You can not have a nuclear weapon without that weapon leaving a signature. It matters not if a country is “non-aligned.” If the weapon came from said country, they are responsible, end of story.

An example: North Korea is full of bluster and has a nuclear weapon. The USA has more than 35,000 military personell in
South Korea. Wonder what they the North Koreans have not attacked the South Koreans and the USA?

Intelligence reports indicate they have one of the largest and aggressively trained armies in the world and have more artillery pieces than any other army.

The speak of their intentions, but nothing ever happens.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
12:37 pm

Paul –

12:32 – I understand where you’re coming from – but, let’s be honest here – that understanding was built on a premise that the USSR would be the aggressor and that WE would be the only country with the fire-power that could answer it.

I don’t think that this situation is even remotely like any post WWII understanding.

fwiw, I think this is nothing more than a game of chicken, with Iran trying to force Israel to do something that would 1) draw the ire of the Arab nations which would 2) force our hand. the key is Israel keeping a cool head.

Oilie North

October 30th, 2009
12:39 pm

Ok NiF,
Little Lady-Man it is.

Henceforth, I’ll be referring to you as Little Lady-Man.

So, Little Lady-Man, what are you dressing up as tomorrow? Ballerina? Nurse? Policeman? Motorcycle Guy?

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
12:39 pm

JC @ 12.20, to get a bit serious for a moment (and not to give you a hard time about your light-hearted post)…

I wasn’t aware until now of the sad circumstances surrounding Ms. McKinney’s aunt Hazel, whose death in September was the apparent result of complications from a routine colonoscopy.

Setting aside what might be seen as a possibly unseemly effort to politicize a tragedy… that really stinks.

My condolences to anyone family or friends, who might happen to see this.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
12:40 pm

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
12:41 pm

kam –

“Fergie would do best to stay out of the press in light of the havoc his supporters inflicted last week”

gah. not to mention, doesn’t he still have his own fish to fry questioning a ref’s fitness to officiate premiership games???

he needs to ixnay on the ommentarycay

joe matarotz

October 30th, 2009
12:41 pm

Gee. Iran not cooperating? Never saw that coming.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
12:41 pm

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
12:39 pm

What?? Other than you, who politicized anything?

Pokey

October 30th, 2009
12:44 pm

WOW JB!! Didn’t see that coming!