Ethics probes may be least of Congress’ problems

The Washington Post reports:

“House ethics investigators have been scrutinizing the activities of more than 30 lawmakers and several aides in inquiries about issues including defense lobbying and corporate influence peddling, according to a confidential House ethics committee report prepared in July.”

The probes are apparently in various stages of investigation, and many could end up dismissed. But one major focus involves seven members of a defense appropriations subcommittee, including its chairman, Democrat John Murtha of Pennsylvania. The question is whether members or aides inserted budget earmarks for campaign contributions and other considerations.

In addition to the ethics probes, the Justice Department has been sniffing around Murtha and his subcommittee, which could mean criminal prosecution.

It’s impossible to know whether indictments will be or should be issued in the case. Prosecutors will go where the evidence takes them. But the earmarking practice is so fraught with temptation that corruption seems almost inevitable.

Earmarks for a project in your district — a bridge, a highway, etc. — are bad enough. But in this case we’re talking multi-million-dollar earmarks not for a project but for specific private companies. Those companies don’t have to prove their worth to the Pentagon or go through any assessment process. Murtha and his colleagues have the power to just write those appropriations into the defense bill, and a whole lobbying enterprise has naturally sprung up to “encourage” them to do so. Much of the Justice probe apparently centers around one particular lobbying company, the PMA Group, which had close ties to Murtha.

While the cases of individual members play out, Congress as an institution has to act. The American people already hold it in deep distrust and even contempt, gauging from the polls, and this news is not exactly going to help matters. At the very least, it ought to ban all earmarks to private companies, period, because it is an inherently corrupting practice.

271 comments Add your comment

joe matarotz

October 30th, 2009
7:44 am

When the fox is in charge of guarding the hen house, the results are inevitable.

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
7:45 am

Washington DC is corporate controlled territory.

The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That’s the only difference. ~Ralph Nader

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 30th, 2009
7:49 am

House ethics investigators have been scrutinizing the activities of more than 30 lawmakers

Who’s investigating the House Ethics Committee?

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
7:56 am

Ha, good one Duhng!

About once every six months you get one right.

GOP is Gone

October 30th, 2009
7:56 am

Kind of like when Bush appointed a lead lobbyist for the Pharmaceutical industry as head of the FDA?

GOP is Gone

October 30th, 2009
7:58 am

Or Scalia would not recluse himself from a vote on an environmental issue when he had gone hunting with the same defendants 2 weeks prior to the ruling?

GOP is Gone

October 30th, 2009
8:00 am

Or Cheney getting non bid contracts for his old company Haliburton to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars?

thomas

October 30th, 2009
8:01 am

wow!

5 post in and someone found a way to make this about Bush.

Shawny

October 30th, 2009
8:03 am

Murtha is the biggest criminal in Wash.

Jimmy62

October 30th, 2009
8:03 am

They are all bums, right and left. We should randomly rearrange districts and throw them all out and elect some new ones.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
8:08 am

I’m glad to hear that the aides are also included in this probe – they weild more power (and have less culpability) than our Congresscritters.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:09 am

thomas

No surprises there. Attempts at diversion are standard rebuttal fare. Same as a kid who gets caught doing something and his response is “Well, Jimmy did….” But it doesn’t really matter, as the 7:45 noted. I’ve said in the past much of the Democratic ‘outrage’ over ‘Republican whatever’ is not grounded in principle, it’s grounded in ‘let’s exploit this for political advantage.’ Spkr Pelosi’s ‘we’re going to drain the swam of this Culture of Corruption’ is but one example. In this case Democrats took over the swamp and began filling it some more.

But Jay has a good point. If Congress doesn’t have the fortitude to ban earmarks (notice the President’s equivocating of “I didn’t say all earmarks, just bad earmarks”) then maybe they’ll ban for private companies. Teeny tiny baby steps. It’s a start.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:11 am

USinUK

Ah yes, the permanent bureaucracy. But those aides do rotate out of government service, eventually. Where do you think lobbyists come from?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 30th, 2009
8:11 am

Well, what we need is some Patriotic lawmakers that think of the country first. Instead of wanting to line their pockets with taxpayer money. We need more people like old Johnny Isakson. He come right out yesterday to defend homeowners and wants to extend the homebuyer tax credit. There wasn’t nothing in it for him. Sure, he owns a big realty co. but I’m dead certain that didn’t have nothing to do with his Patriotic act. He was just thinking of humble folks that want to buy a home.

As for the others, I say throw them all in jail. Especially if they have a D after their name.

Have a good day everybody.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:12 am

Sting: Obama best person to handle world’s ‘mess’…

Ah yes, whenever I think about the important issues facing mankind, “Sting” immediately comes to mind. A close second would be “Bono”.

To avoid any confusion, this “Sting” is the musical version, not the pro “rassler”, and Bono is of U2 fame. The other Bono is “Sonny”, but he’s not with us anymore.

Atlanta Native

October 30th, 2009
8:12 am

There is at least one way that Georgia is superior to the federal government and some other states. Georgia has the “single purpose doctrine” which holds that any bill can only cover one subject matter. This means that a solid waste management bill cannot have funding for a peanut museum attached. They must be separate bills.

Imagine what that would do in Washington!

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
8:13 am

We should randomly rearrange districts

I agree with this post.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:14 am

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
8:08 am

I know we’re near “All Hallow’s Eve” because something strange just happened……..we agreed on something.

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
8:14 am

Sting: Obama best person to handle world’s ‘mess’…

We covered this wingnut talking point downstairs.

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:15 am

Quite sad news. Should Chuck Norris here of these shenigans the its gonna be a BAADD day.

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
8:16 am

Jimmy62, amen to that.

But in reality the huge corporate money and even larger influence, as well as the endless gerrymandering means that only about forty districts or so are even in play.

The flipsides of the US Mafia, aka the R&D Party, ensure they get theirs first, last and always…

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:16 am

“Sting: Obama best person to handle world’s ‘mess’… ”

OH I sent Mr Sting a nice long emule regarding such silly statements.

Im with you Jimmy…where has Boner been? Im surprised he allowed Sting to upstage him in this manner.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:17 am

Hmmm. Been a half hour and none of the Progressive Democratic Stalwarts have risen up to condemn this? (maybe…. I’m not sure about one or two of the monikers).

Add ’silence in the face of evidence’ along with ‘diversion’ in the list of liberal response strategies.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
8:18 am

not jimmeh –

you knew it had to happen eventually!! ;-)

paul –

“Ah yes, the permanent bureaucracy. But those aides do rotate out of government service, eventually. Where do you think lobbyists come from?”

I thought you got them from sowing dragons’ teeth … ??

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
8:21 am

paul –

“Been a half hour and none of the Progressive Democratic Stalwarts have risen up to condemn this? ”

???

what ARE you talking about

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:21 am

USinUK

Jason and the Argonauts? Yeah, now that I think of it, they do look like lobbyists!

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:21 am

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:16 am

I remember the good ol’ days when musicians were musicians and treated their craft as something personal and unique. Now, everything has a political or commercial angle.

Remember when commercials and TV shows DIDN’T use original songs by the artists? They artists wouldn’t let them do it. Something about integrity. Now, the songs we grew up loving (and many artists) are used to pimp every commercial product on the market.

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
8:22 am

what ARE you talking about

Paul’s inner concern troll got the better of him.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
8:22 am

TF –

Chuck Norris’s calendar goes straight from March 31 to April 2 … NO ONE fools Chuck Norris.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
8:24 am

Paul –

“Jason and the Argonauts? Yeah, now that I think of it, they do look like lobbyists!”

not jason and the argonauts – THEY didn’t spring from the dragons’ teeth – the army sprang from the teeth … I hereby sentence you to 1 saturday afternoon watching the Ray Harryhousen (sp?) classic.

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:24 am

Here here JC. That Boner, from U2 is a real crap-pile. Also heard about Sean Penn kissing the rump of one Hugo Chavez.

Wow…Boner, Sting, penn…what would we do without these intellectuals.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:25 am

USinUK 8:21

Okay, you’re pulling my leg, right?

Normal

October 30th, 2009
8:25 am

It’s especially disheartening to me because Murtha is ex-military and military men have an ingrained sense of right and wrong. If this is true, then I guess that a seat in Congress perverts the best of them.
My God, that is depressing.

Normal

October 30th, 2009
8:26 am

Chuck Norris wears thongs.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:27 am

USinUK

Didn’t the bad guy reach into his sack and scatter the teeth and that’s when the skeletons with the swords sprang up?

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:27 am

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:24 am

Hey, let’s have some fun. Name a song and artist and which product it would be used for. I’ll start things off:

Rock and Roll All Night (and party everyday) by Kiss for Viagra or Cialis.

Joey

October 30th, 2009
8:28 am

Jay;
Great job of investigative reporting.

I only hope the Left Wing of our media will read what you have uncovered and choose to pick up this story and spread this worthy news throughout the land.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:29 am

USinUK

I see – you thought I meant Jason and his Argonauts sprang from teeth, not that ‘Jason and the Argonauts’ (movie title) was the response and it was assumed that a scene from the movie was about lobbyists.

That’s understandable. But this is getting played out and still the Silent Majority of Democratic Denial reigns….

:-)

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:30 am

Normal

October 30th, 2009
8:25 am

But military people can be crooked as well. Just look at Randy “Duke” Cunningham. This guy was one of the more infamous, if not THE most infamous, Vietnam figher pilots. His story was legendary, but alas, he turned out to be a bum as well.

I agree, though, military people should march to the beat of a different drum. My father (Navy, 23 years) did.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
8:31 am

joey –

you mean like the WaPo that originally reported the story???

:roll:

keep up, son.

paul -

8:25 – not pulling anything. other than the “bushdiddittoo!”, who here hasn’t added a resounding “good” to the discussion.

8:27 – yeah, but Jason and the Argonauts didn’t spring from the dragons’ teeth (which is what I thought you were saying)

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
8:32 am

TF and JC, you guys can take comfort that there are still some conservative-friendly musicians who are “high on the popularity charts.”

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:32 am

Normal

Remember the bitter condemnation from both sides when that ex Navy fighter pilot Medal of Honor recipient Republican Congressman Cunningham went to prison? Notice I said “both sides”?

One hour and silence reigns….

Normal

October 30th, 2009
8:34 am

JC, I forgot about Cunninham, first ace of Viet Nam. You are correct sir. What years did your father serve and where, if you don’t mind?

Taxpayer

October 30th, 2009
8:34 am

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:17 am
Hmmm. Been a half hour and none of the Progressive Democratic Stalwarts have risen up to condemn this? (maybe…. I’m not sure about one or two of the monikers).

Add ’silence in the face of evidence’ along with ‘diversion’ in the list of liberal response strategies.

You really don’t get what’s happening, do you, Paul.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:37 am

USinUK

Oh, I was perusing the prior thread then flipped up here and… where’d they go? Then the responses from the stalwart Liberals I could identify were… “Bush.. Scalia…. Cheney….” then… ?

Personally, I think Jay set a pretty good standard: take a political position, advocate for it, when your side goes off the rails, call them on it, hold them accountable and get on track.

What we so often have here is a response of “rails, what rails?” “Prove that’s a rail and that they went off it” or “yeah, well what about that car that left the road?” or my favorite: “………………..”

Joey

October 30th, 2009
8:37 am

USinUK;
No I mean like this story is very very very old.
I am surprised that Jay ever got to it.
And for Murtha it goes back to Abscam.
And Jay did not mention Abscam.

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:38 am

Deuce (KISS) Feminine hygiene products.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:40 am

Mea Culpa.

Cunningham was highly decorated, Navy Cross, no Medal of Honor.

GoingBroke

October 30th, 2009
8:40 am

Whatever happened to Obamas promise to reduce pork barrel spending? oops.. that was a lie too. Oh well.. so much for change…

So.. nothing will happen.. it never does. These folks all laugh and pat each other on the back and talk about how stupid people are for continuing to vote them in office. Seems like just a few months ago the democratic leadership, Pelosi, pounded her fist and said somerhing about ethics.. Hey Nancy.. how is the Rangle investigation coming?

Normal

October 30th, 2009
8:40 am

Paul, I have always believed (and call me gulliable) that members of Congress had to hold a higher standard of morality and sense of justice
because of their office and responsibility they hold. They are supposed to be the voice and servents of the People. When did they become the prostitute of business?

I used to laugh at the old saw of “If pro is the opposite of con, then progress is the opposite of Congress”. Now I just shake my head… :???:

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:41 am

Ridin the storm out (waitin for the fallout) by REO Shytwagon

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:41 am

Taxpayer

Good Morning! Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what’s happening? :-)

stands for decibels

October 30th, 2009
8:41 am

Yea, verily, scourging and crucifixion are too good for Murtha, and Nasty Pelousi is obviously the evillist speaker Evah for not having fixed everything that is rotten about the appropriations process already.

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:42 am

Ridin the storm out (waitin for the fallout) by REO Shytwagon

Ex-lax

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:42 am

Here’s Cunningham’s medal haul:

Cunningham became one of the most highly decorated U.S. Navy pilots in the Vietnam War. The first fighter ace of the war, he received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, and the Purple Heart.

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:43 am

RubberbandMan (The Spinner) Trojan

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:43 am

Beat it (Michael Jackson) Kroger Brand Baby Oil

Normal

October 30th, 2009
8:43 am

Monster Mash…Waffle House Grits

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:43 am

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:41 am

HAHAHAHAHA!! For “exlax” perhaps?

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
8:45 am

Not everybody fellates the multi-nationals…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymm__mCAfHg

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:45 am

Normal

October 30th, 2009
8:40 am

I like that, the “progress” and “congress” analogy.

Joey

October 30th, 2009
8:46 am

Lunatic Fringe – I know you’re out there
You’re in hiding, and you hold your meetings
I can hear you coming, and I know what you’re after.

Democrat House and Senate.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:49 am

AmVet

You’re big on subtlety, aren’t you?

:-)

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:50 am

Normal

October 30th, 2009
8:34 am

By the way, my dad was drafted for WWII. Served aboard the Claxton. I believe he was on board for just a few months when they were hit by a kamakaze in late 1944. He was eventually stationed on the east coast and served aboard aircraft carriers and destroyers. Retired in the late 60s as a Chief on a destroyer.

GayBlackCripple

October 30th, 2009
8:50 am

It’s time for Murtha to go the way of Ted Stevens, Tom Delay, and James Traficant – just to name a few…

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:50 am

sfd

Sprk Pelosi hasn’t fixed everything?

Some of us would be okay if she’d just started doing something about anything to drain the swamp.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:51 am

You light up my life by Debby Boone for Cialis.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:52 am

Perhaps “Strokin” by Clarence Carter for trojans.

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:53 am

How about “Let’s go” by the Cars for ex-lax?

TnGelding

October 30th, 2009
8:53 am

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 30th, 2009
7:49 am

The Justice Department?

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:54 am

Wow, way to obvious considering I mentioned Sting:

“De doo doo doo, De da da da” for constipation.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:55 am

Jimmy

Where was that? My dad was in the Pacific, never ever spoke of it much, later years told of watching a kamikaze hit a destroyer next to them. Described the horrendous injuries of the men they pulled from the water. Spoke of one man they couldn’t pull or lift because his burned skin kept sloughing off. Dad said he gave his bunk to a wounded man, burns caused fluid to soak his blanket and mattress. When they transferred the men the Captain told him to wash the blanket and make do with the mattress. Dad dumped them both overboard and made do.

Such are the things civilians should think about before sending soldiers on their adventures.

#1 Foxy Lady

October 30th, 2009
8:56 am

BOR – RING!!!!

how about some reportin’ on that South Carolina assistant DA who got caught with a stripper and a glovebox full of lube and dildos (the car’s glovebox, not the stripper’s).

What’s up with the horny politicians from the Carolinas?

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
8:57 am

Paul, never have, never will be. Subtle when it comes to criminals and their coddlers? Nope.

Joey, I referenced this “tactic” downstairs – taking songs that one has no earthly idea what they are about and trying to somehow turn it around in their favor. Hoping beyond hope that some of the unknowing will fall for it. (it’s about anti-Semitism.)

From North to Kerry to Cunningham to Murtha to Bush 43, many could not ignore the siren song of ill-gotten enormous wealth and power.

To a man, they eventually disgraced the uniform.

But don’t get hung up on those cats, plenty more like Cleland never did…

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:58 am

Since Bookman has the most popular of the AJC blogs he should throw a Halloween party and invite over his dysfunctional blogging family. Or just give us all $5.00 and a pack of smokes.

Normal

October 30th, 2009
8:59 am

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
8:50 am

Man o’ Man, those guys were SAILORS! He probably was getting out around the time I went in. (1966).

And served on the U.S.S. Claxton, DD-571, member of Squadron 23.
Those Fletchers were the sexiest Destroyers made. I admire your Dads sacrifice. He did not have an easy war. Standing here saluting.

Taxpayer

October 30th, 2009
9:00 am

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what’s happening?

I don’t know if I am that good of a teacher but the overriding theme is simple — we’re under new management.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
9:00 am

USinUK

See what I mean? Care to point out the condemnation of this situation by members of Murtha’s political affiliation?

Kamchak

October 30th, 2009
9:00 am

Some of us would be okay if she’d just started doing something about anything to drain the swamp.

Perhaps you could enlighten us on how she could do that.

TnGelding

October 30th, 2009
9:01 am

“Prosecutors will go where the evidence takes them.”

Do you really think so?

“Murtha and his colleagues have the power to just write those appropriations into the defense bill, and a whole lobbying enterprise has naturally sprung up to “encourage” them to do so.”

What is natural about it?

Nothing to fear. Obama is going to veto anything in the future that contains earmarks. Seriously, what is it going to take to stop the madness?

AmVet

October 30th, 2009
9:01 am

It would appear many here are the dolts who watch the commercials during the SuperBowl.

And then rant for days at work about them.

Pathetic, controllable sheep…

Paul, your dad and by proxy you, have my highest respects.

OK, somebody’s got keep the wounded American economic engine humming.

Off to pay for the corporate bailouts and the occupations.

Later, all…

jt

October 30th, 2009
9:01 am

From a link from Jay’s article-

“Moran hosted an event for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in his Alexandria home last year, the lawmaker said, with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) as the guest of honor. Magliocchetti and some of his clients were in attendance, writing checks for $28,500 each, Moran said. ”

Is Nasty Pelosi under investigation? The most ethical house in history?
We will all have to wait until Glen Beck finishes his own investigation.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
9:02 am

Kamchak

You’re serious?!!? How can the Speaker of the House of Representatives modify House policies?!!? Not laws? Policies and practices?!!? You mean, like how can she tell her committee chairmen ‘don’t release any bill with earmarks for private companies?’

Normal

October 30th, 2009
9:02 am

I always thought the greatest ad for viagra was “Greater pecker upper”
no music needed.

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
9:03 am

not jimmey –

“How about “Let’s go” by the Cars for ex-lax?”

HA!

Paul –

sorry if I’m not lighting torches and scrounging around for my pitchfork, but I’ve said before that I think that, after years of the Dems comdemning DeLay and his shenanigans, they need to be above reproach and that, if the ethics committee (or other legal bodies) find fault, they should resign or “be resigned”.

what else do you want me to say that will make you happy?

Joey –

“No I mean like this story is very very very old”

today’s WaPo.

TnGelding

October 30th, 2009
9:04 am

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
8:58 am

With all the dough Obama has made for you, you should be treating. Looks like a trick today, tho.

Kamchak

October 30th, 2009
9:05 am

You mean, like how can she tell her committee chairmen ‘don’t release any bill with earmarks for private companies?’

That’s what you think is the biggest concern facing this country?

Jimmy Carter

October 30th, 2009
9:05 am

Paul

October 30th, 2009
8:55 am

Here is a great link about the USS Claxton:

http://www.ultravision.net/clyce/claxton/

I won’t say who or where, but my dad is included in the photos on this sit.

Bosch

October 30th, 2009
9:06 am

Paul,

Maybe if you want an answer- it would be best to type the question in English and not your Paulese that gets rather confusing. :-)

And yes, when I type this, there will be a definite shift in the universe – so everybody brace yourselves: Andy made a funny! And it was funny!!

Normal

October 30th, 2009
9:06 am

Paul: I’m neither Democrat nor Republican, but I did say that if this is true it’s sad. I will delay condemnation of him until all of the facts are out and if he is guilty, then I will say let the law take its course. Of course I truly wish we could flush the lot of them and start over, but that’s just me…

Paul

October 30th, 2009
9:07 am

Taxpayer

[[I don’t know if I am that good of a teacher but the overriding theme is simple — we’re under new management.]]

And that’s the problem. Management’s new, promises were inspiring, but the practices seem to be the same as they were when corporate Republicans ruled the roost. And Democratic supporters (other than Jay) here seem strangely unwilling to pointedly condemn their own.

jt

I’ll offer that example was normal, legal fundraising, following limits and procedures outlined by law. (I’d do away with all that and have full public financing of elections, but that’s another thread). What Jay wrote about was influence peddling, cronyism, payoffs. By those in power who were elected to serve the public.

Bosch

October 30th, 2009
9:11 am

USinUK,

I’m looking through my ITunes library to see if I can think of any good song/commercial combos!!

Turd Ferguson

October 30th, 2009
9:11 am

This “thing” is so nauseating.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091030/pl_politico/28919
‘I’m not big on showing weakness’

USinUK

October 30th, 2009
9:11 am

Bosch –

“And yes, when I type this, there will be a definite shift in the universe – so everybody brace yourselves”

well, I felt the earth move … ;-)

Bosch

October 30th, 2009
9:11 am

I love blog games!

Bosch

October 30th, 2009
9:12 am

USinUK,

“well, I felt the earth move ”

Well, it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve heard that…..just sayin’

Taxpayer

October 30th, 2009
9:12 am

Paul wants us to take up pitchforks and torches and storm the castle. Paul ponders his navel and wonders why have these Democrats not made a pre-emptive strike and condemned all these guilty persons. Paul asks why have the Dems not shot first and asked questions after the fact. Paul, if you need a rise that bad, go buy some Martha White. :roll:

Paul

October 30th, 2009
9:13 am

USinUk

That was fine.

I never thought of you as one of the ‘usual suspects’ though. You’ve been up front about condemning inappropriate behavior of the representatives of the Party I assume you support.

Kamchak

No, that is not the biggest concern I think faces the country.

It was a response to your question.

Which was related to Jay’s thread.

Diversion, anyone?

Normal

“Flush the lot.” I like the imagery.

Bosch

How about: “Will any stalwart Democrats on this blog clearly state the situation Jay described, involving Democrats, is bad and needs to be changed?”

Not say ‘well, Republicans…” or excuse it. Or say nothing. Or divert with other themes and questions. Or wait for a less embarrassing thread to appear.
Howzzat?

jt

October 30th, 2009
9:14 am

Paul-

I don’t know. If PMA goes down in flames, Pelosi will be associated. Especially if contracts were awarded in her district.

That was 28,500 dollars A PIECE.

Paul

October 30th, 2009
9:15 am

Taxpayer 9:12

Thank you. Bosch, do you understand my point, now? I think it’s illustrated about as well as can be expected.