Recession’s technically over, even if it doesn’t feel that way

Normal…ever been to Rose Hill cemetery in Macon Ga? Its where Duane Allman and Berry Oakley are buried. As cemeterys go its a pretty cool hang-out. Also there is a grave near the train tracks and river that reads “Elizabeth Reed”.

Take a pic-a-nic basket, some beer, herb, sit back and enjoy.

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I’m getting a whiff of teabag panic…..

We’ll get HCR, the Climate bill, Cap and trade…..Bush’s depression has been prevented, employment will slowly turn around….most folks still like and respect the President and are seeing the idealogues for what they are….

That whiff of hate we sense now, the ugly posters and uglier talk, the armed knuckleheads, will peak just before November of next year.

And like last year…..it will do great harm to what’s left of the GOP
and aid the Democrats.

They will scream at us otherwise no doubt.

They were wrong before and still are.

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@@ (2:27);
You are right.
When the Progressive’s are left alone they slip into a mutual-self-love-fest.

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Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
2:48 pm

My goodness. You poor little thing! How did you EVER survive W’s two terms? According to you, things were soooooo bad that I don’t see how ANY species of life could have survived? What’s next, chicken little, “the sky is falling, the sky in falling”. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

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Well, I hope the worst is over. But the ill effects will linger for a long time. Will it happen again? Not the exact same thing, but something else will. The ‘too big to fail’ institutions have gotten bigger. Real reform hasn’t happened. Regulators aren’t regulating and oversight’s still mostly undersight. And as long as there’s not a law or a regulation to prevent it, people will forget ‘right’ and do whatever lines their pockets. And the more outrageous it is, the better.

Sigh.

Bosch 1:28

Stupid? I think it’s called ‘adapting to the local culture.”

Mrs. Godzilla

Glad Mr. G made it back in one piece, too. Tell him thanks for me, too. Now… you have to give him a proper homecoming, y’hear?

AmVet 2:10

One of our municipalities is buying new city buses and one of the school districts is replacing their 20-year old buses. With buses that run on propane. Progress.
Doggone/GA

If someone wants to smite you or smote you, does that mean they’re smitten with you?

(I think you have a secret admirer).

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mike

thanks for your polite question. nothing I say or post will convince you.

we’ll have to agree to disagree.

i have

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NIF @ 2:27,

So you’ve been lying all along? I thought so.

But you really do hate our troops, don’t you?

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Jimmy Carter

As I posted earlier this thread, we didn’t suffer any serious financial hardship because of the economys’ downturn and hope who did find there circumstances improving.

So your post above seems a little out of touch and mean spirited.

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“f someone wants to smite you or smote you, does that mean they’re smitten with you?”

That’s the problem when SOME people use antique words, they don’t bother to be sure they use them correctly. I’m still trying to figure out how someone can “smote” someone in the future.

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DoggoneGA

Again: Would you be willing to mortgage your home to make sure your boss gets paid?

Bosses do it every day all over the country to make sure their employees are paid.

Yes, businesses run on profits and if my company stops making profits for an extended time, I would need to shut down like so many companies have had to do. We can’t just print more money. When the business is gone and the credit is gone, yes, the employees will soon follow.

And yes, we will probably be the first to be back on our feet. Why? Perhaps it’s because we won’t set around waiting for some rich guy to hire us.

it’s just a different way of looking at things.

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“…… a whiff of teabag panic.”

I suggest that you are confusing genuine concern and a steadily growing opposition with panic.

Time will pass. I suppose that you will work for your team. I will work for mine. Some one will win this contest. My goal is that the victor will be the United States.

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Jackie

At least try to hide your hypocrisy. Now please tell me how you never complained about Bush.

Hey Jackie. Obozo is a joke. We are going to complain. Deal with it.

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And our forces will smote the silly notions of self-determination in the future.

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Marsh

I just feel sorry for all those little kitty cats that you have been killing. I thought that you kicking your dog and your Mom was bad enough. But really . . . little innocent kittens. You should be ashamed.

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“Well, first of all you’ll need a D’Lorean to make a few modifications to…”

Don’t I wish!

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DoggoneGA

Why is it so hard for you to answer:

Would you mortgage your house to make sure your boss gets paid?

We both know that you wouldn’t. I would ask that you consider that simple question the next time you start bashing business owners. I would ask, but I understand your limitations.

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Soon we will all be expected to tithe 10% of our income to the First Church of Jesus Christ Obobo. Thats along with Income tax, state tax, Futa, Fica, Medicare/caid, Obobo-Care etc.

He wants it all.

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Would you mortgage your house to make sure your boss gets paid?

We both know that you wouldn’t. I would ask that you consider that simple question the next time you start bashing business owners. I would ask, but I understand your limitations.

I don’t know about Doggone’s take on this but this guy sure as hell would not be my boss if I had to mortgage my house in order to pay him. Then again, I wouldn’t be his boss doing it either because I value keeping a roof over my family’s head more than employees. That’s what I call real family values as opposed to the GOP’s “family values”.

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Why the hell would an employee mortgage their house for their boss?

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AmVet..
votevets? please.. have you now sense of value?

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@NIF

I surely complained about Dubya’s POLICIES!!!!!!!!
Everything he touched ended up being an actual disaster.
His wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) were non-productive, costly and divisive.

Under his stewardship, the economy lost more than 7 million jobs. He took budget surpluses and projected budget surpluses and turned those into budget deficits.
His trickle-down tax cuts helped the pay differential between the rich and poor explode to record levels. The rich got richer and the rest of us got poorer. More than 17 million American children fell into poverty.

He trampled on our Constitution and the rights that we are supposed to enjoy. He spied on you and me.

He constantly touted his “protection of the American people” from future attacks. Shouldn’t the first question be, who was the Commander-In-Chief when the greatest attack on American soil since WWII?

Who was in charge in apprehending Osama bin Laden and where is he these days?

And, to make things worse, he used the Department of Justice and our political system to arrest and imprison the governor of the state of Alabama because Karl Rove was of the belief that Democrats always cheated on their voting practices, therefore Mr. Seigellman was guilty also.

My biggest complaint with President Obama is his quest to keep the political waters under control by not pursuing the criminals in the Bush Administration. Karl Rove and Dick Cheney being the most prominent.

This list could go on, but I need to allow others time and space to vent their displeasure with exhibited negative attitudes about President Obama.

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I mean if my boss came in and said, “Hey Bosch, I need you to mortgage your house so I’s can get paid” – I’d think, “Oh crap, I’m about to be out of a job.” So who would mortgage their house and give the money to the guy when you’re about to be out of a job.

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Doggone,

Oh, and your 3:22 deserves a “Testify!!”

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“Notice, please, that NIF has nothing to say about what would happen if the customers dry up and NEITHER the boss nor the employees (nor the business for that matter) have NO INCOME.”

Well, what is there to say about it? It is as obvious as saying that if there is no businesses, there is no job.

What is your point?

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NIF @ 3:11,

Child, how old are you anyway? I’m guessing 10 or 12.

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Bosch

Did you get the Rowan Atkinson link?

BSG: The Plan was good. Preattack, lots of new attack scenes, then a Cylon-view of post attack continuing attack. Oh,and it wasn’t entirely old footage. Let’s just say there’s a more adult spin on the new version. Yea, Six!

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Doggone @ 3:25

Would they mortgage their homes to pay each other?

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Marsh –

LOL. Tell you what, professor. Google the term and see what a commonly used term it is.

Why even bother posting such petty crap? Even if you were right (and you are not), you would still be petty.

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Hey Paul!

I’ve been waiting until you came back. Yes, I got it – thanks! That really made my day I’ll have you know.

Did you order the DVD or buy it somewhere?

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“Would they mortgage their homes to pay each other?”

Well, speaking for myself, I wouldn’t mortgage my house to pay my boss’s salary. First, I couldn’t…and second, as I said, if my boss can’t get his salary from the business then where would *I* get the money to pay it back?

What NIF leaves out of his question is: if the business is dying from lack of customers would the boss STILL mortgage his house to pay his employees, which he is about to let go due to lack of income into the business?

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mike,
Argue with the dictionary. Just like a neocon.

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Doggone

I follow your point. It’s not a small business, but Circuit City is a prime example. I worked there for 6 years. During that time, the company decided to change focus and did away with appliance sales even though I think around 40% of store traffic was based on appliances. Well, suffice to say that once the customers stopped coming sales went down, and the proverbial “death spiral” started. We all know how it ended.

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WG –

“Argue with the dictionary.”

Look, professor 2. Disincenting is a commonly used word. You can see that if you simply google it.

“Just like a neocon.”

Why am I a neocon? Do you have experience with neocons arguing with the dictionary? Or are you just a mindless partisan who looks to say such stupid things.

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Marsh, I think you’re guilty of misunderestimating.

Gawd, how I miss the days of Bushisms when gynecologists could practice their love with women all over the world…

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Marsh –

dictionary.com has the word “incenting”. Please explain why adding “dis” hurts your brain so much.

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Mike

I think the point Doggone is trying to make is that without customers, no business will succeed. No customers = no business. Paying your workers enough to become your customers will help keep the business running, but that will happen only if your business has a product that your workers need.

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DoggoneGA –

“I rest my case. I guess you never heard of “employee owned businesses, have you?”

Sure I have. Unlike you, I even know what it means. It means the employees have an ownership stake in the company. Guess what? There is still a boss who makes much more money that the staff.

Regardless, what is stopping people from starting the companies you describe? I actually did start a company in which all employees were shareholders. Have you? Why not?

“You really ARE clueless, aren’t you? Any financier invests in businesses. When those businesses make a profit, THEY make a profit. And how do businesses make a profit? By selling goods or services that there are customers for.”

Your shallow grasp of the world makes me sad. Yes, when a person invests in a business, they earn a share of the profits (they also frequently lose their investment, something you have never seemed to consider.)

Giving away all of your money randomly with the beleif that it will all magically return is a joke.

Again, tell me how George Soros would get all of his money back by giving it away. I guess he must be a dummy like me, as he is keeping his money for himself.

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ABM –

“I think the point Doggone is trying to make is that without customers, no business will succeed. No customers = no business.”

Nobody is contesting this straw man argument.

“Paying your workers enough to become your customers will help keep the business running, but that will happen only if your business has a product that your workers need.”

Exactly, and that is why his point that rich people will get richer by giving away all of their money is silly. If you are a rich guy like Soros, who produces nothing, giving away all of your money will not result in getting more than your money back, as Doggone foolishly claims.

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All the Repubos who are insurance company hookers would get an educatino reading this Breast Cancer patient blog. Two drugs in particular that can cost 200 grand a year or more and are in a class of drugs called biologic drugs also used for RA (Rhematoid Arthritis), Chrohns Diseas. They treat metatastatic breast cancer and keep a large number of women alive. They are antibody receptor specific, so they do not destroy cells and cause the signficant side effects and discomfort of traditional chemothreapy.

http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topic/730702?page=1#idx_16

Pelosi’s bill put up for whip count this morning with a 3PM deadline does not pay for these drugs, and the need for them can cause a woman to have to lose everything she owns and her home.

What often happens to these women is that when they run out of assets to liquidate, they die.

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Mike

Not necessarily a counter, because I think both of you make valid points. However, I don’t think either of you are 100% correct either. That’s what makes economics so dynamic and unpredictible. There’s way too many factors to think about when trying to validate that argument.

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But then again, what do I know about economics. I dropped Intro to Economics after the second class during my sophomore year in college.

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[[Do you so lack confidence in your arguments that you feel the need to call people “hookers” to make your point? ]]

I thought only Democratic Congressmen did that.

Wait… their preferred term is ‘whore.’

I stand corrected.

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The government did its job. A lot of businesses have made a lot of profit from stimulus money. Its their turn to pick up the ball and use those profits for hiring, rather than profit taking and distributions to shareholders.

The growth in the last quarter is about 75 percent higher than the average of the entire previous administration’s 2 percent, and come close to the average growth rate that the American economy experienced during the years between 1950 and 1979, 3.9 percent.

Evidence that the Keynesian concept of the government picking up the ball when the private sector drops it works rather well.

What we are still not seeing is the businesses which have profited from the stimulus turning around and actually using this profit as an opportunity to lower unemployment and create enough employees to turn them into consumers again.

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Small business does employ most people in this country. A rather amazing fact, when small businesses make up about 7.9 percent of all businesses in the country.

When liberals rant about businesses, they are not ranting against small businesses. In fact, the most small business friendly Senator in the Senate has been John Kerry.

Every time he has attempted to sponsor or offer legislation that is designed to help small businesses, it is usually opposed, or amended to death by Republicans who amend it in such ways that most of the legislation ends up theoretically being available to small businesses, but in actuality can only be accessed by large corporations.

No liberal actually resents a small businessman who goes to work every day and works alongside or in some way with the people they have hired to work for them.

What is resented, as John Edwards pointed out, is a bunch of people who sit on their asses and make a living off of the paper investments they have.

Liberals do not much like the amount of money that is spent looking after the economic interests of those huge corporations, in America, and overseas, that are NOT responsible for 70 percent of the jobs that are created in America. Most liberal and Democrats are rather small business friendly and if you ever read the original versions of the legislation they propose, you would note that the original legislation usually exempts almost all small businesses from negative effects. Most of the small business assistance legislation in the last two decades came out of Kerry’s office and committee.

Largely the Chamber of Commerce does not like Kerry. Largely because he tends to favor small self owned businesses to larger corporations.

It is rather unfortunate that many small business owners tend to think that business friendly means small business friendly.

Under Clinton, most of the job creation came because of policies that tended to actually be small business friendly in fact, rather than superficially being “all business” friendly but which created conditions that were not terribly friendly to small businesses because the bar to make use of those laws was set too high for the bottom 98 percent of small businesses to access.

Small businesses will always end up paying higher rates of taxation, at all levels, federal, state and local, than larger businesses end up paying, if they pay at all.

A good example. Before Bush came to office and during the period in which the Democrats still held congress (2000-2002). If you were “self employed” and were running a small business by yourself with no employees you did not have to pay Social Security on the first 30,000 dollars of income you earned and took for yourself out of the business. After 2002 this exemption vanished.

Many other little details like this get ignored, but small businesses do tend to do better while Democrats are in office, rather than when Republicans are.

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AmVet

October 29th, 2009
3:28 pm

From a “catchy little ditty” perspective, the Eagles may have the advantage on the ABB. However, form the perspective of musical mastery (some of the tightest playing I have ever personally witnessed) the ABB has most bands beat hands down.

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mike @ 3:50,

dictionary.com does not have the non-word “disincenting’, which is what you used.

This has really gotten next to you, hasn’t it? Grow up.

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