President pays respects to America’s fallen
President Obama went to Dover, Del. in the wee hours of the morning to greet the returning bodies of U.S. servicemen killed overseas. He also met privately with the families of the fallen for a reported two hours.
He needed to do that. As commander in chief, he honored the sacrifice of those under his command. As president, he expressed the gratitude of the nation not just to those fallen but to all who risk their lives for the country. And as a human being, he saw and felt first hand the consequences of the decisions he is making. It’s a weight every wartime president must carry.
I continue to search for a convincing argument that Afghanistan can be “won.” I haven’t found it yet, and if someone comes across one, let me know. Even Gen. McCrystal’s assessment was pretty pessimistic if you read it. I’d love to sit McChrystal down and ask him one very private question: If we follow your advice, what do you think the chances that in 10 years, Afghanistan will be a peaceful, self-governing nation that offers no harbor for Islamic terrorism?
Forty percent? Eighty percent? It’s sure as hell not 100 percent.
As an AP story pointed out, the U.S. and its allies already outnumber the Taliban forces by 12-1, yet as McChrystal acknowledges, we’re still losing ground. The inherent corruption in Afghanistan and our status as a profoundly alien presence are obstacles that sheer manpower cannot overcome.
I do see a lot of arguments in effect describing Afghanistan as “a test of our will and toughness.” It is so much more important than that, and justifiying it in those terms is profoundly wrong. We’re not bringing those caskets back to Dover as a way to prove our toughness. At least I hope we’re not.
Here’s an AP video of the ceremony early this morning.
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Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
11:22 am
“You libs need to stop attempting to hang the “war monger” monicker on the republicans”
Please quote where I ever said that. I’m not responsible for what other people say, only myself. And I can actually save you a lot of time: I never said anything remotely like that.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
11:23 am
mm
October 29th, 2009
11:17 am
I guess you didn’t read the rest of my post. Lazy, just plain lazy. I’ll dumb it down just for you.
People were unhappy about the economy, war, and John McCain. Understand now?
Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum
October 29th, 2009
11:26 am
Yo, Slow Jay: Urinal Scooped Again:
Birmingham, Ala., mayor convicted of taking bribes
Birmingham Mayor Larry Langford and wife Melva speak to the media after being convicted, Wednesday, Oct. 28, 2009 at the Tuscaloosa Federal Courthouse Building in Tuscaloosa, Ala. A federal jury convicted Birmingham Mayor Larry Langford on Wednesday on all charges of accepting bribes in exchange for funneling $7.1 million in bond business to a prominent investment banker. (AP Photo/The Tuscaloosa News, Dusty Compton) (Dusty Compton – AP)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/28/AR2009102804037.html?hpid=sec-politics
Agnes
October 29th, 2009
11:26 am
mm;
If I understand your question at 11:17 correctly, my answer is Nixon.
Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum
October 29th, 2009
11:27 am
Run Shrill Shirley, Run, the Feds are coming to git ya, imho.
Normal
October 29th, 2009
11:27 am
NIF:
I say pull the troops out and stop screwing with our CIA. Let them do their jobs and let them kill the people who did the deeds. The cowards who financed it need to live in fear for their lives and our current policy means that they need not fear unless they hear the American Army at the edge of town. Use the drones. Use whatever sneaky, clandestine equipment we have to make them fear for their lives every single day.
On this I agree totally. We have the technology. We do not need troops on the ground. Bring them home.
Marsh
October 29th, 2009
11:27 am
For all of you who are disgusted with President Obama honoring our fallen troops, this question: Why do you hate our troops?
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
11:30 am
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
11:22 am
You said “Remember what I said a few days ago about having to debunk the same things over and over and over?” That’s all I’m doing about the “war monger” tag. Too bad it ticked you off.
Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum
October 29th, 2009
11:31 am
Yo Jay, why does the Urinal Constitution not have a special run on the conviction of the Black Mayor of Brimingham Alabama, with vendors out in the streets of Atlanta yelling to “Read all about it, Black Mayor convicted of Bribery”? Oh, that would be politically incorrect…no wonder circulation is dropping like a rock off of the roof of city hall east.
theboogins
October 29th, 2009
11:31 am
This is the only thing Obie has done that is “the right thing to do.” The skeptic in me thinks it’s a photo-op but I hope not.
JB
joe matarotz
October 29th, 2009
11:31 am
Thanks for the response, Doggone/GA. I checked:
The Naval Officer’s Guide, Mack, W. P. and Paulsen, T. D., 10th edition, 1991
Army Officer’s Guide, Crocker, L. P., 46th edition, 1977
Naval Ceremonies, Customs, and Traditions, Mack, W. P., Connell, R. W., 1980
Service Etiquette, Swartz, O. D., 4th edition, 1988
and the only reference I could find is that when the President receives a salute, he is ‘expected’ to return it, but can choose to respond with a head nod or do nothing. That implies a rendering hand-over-heart salute in civvies, as opposed to returning a salute.
Where did you find that information?
TheForgottenMan
October 29th, 2009
11:32 am
It was a photo op for the great leader — pure and simple. Watch now for other foot to fall as he decides to not listen to McChrystal.
OK. My son and I will go fade away.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
11:32 am
Marsh
October 29th, 2009
11:27 am
The same could be asked of the libs during W’s terms.
Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum
October 29th, 2009
11:33 am
Outside the courtroom, Langford and his wife, Melva, blamed the conviction on race.
“They struck as many blacks off that jury as they could,” he said.
Three of the 12 jurors were black.
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
11:34 am
“That’s all I’m doing about the “war monger” tag. Too bad it ticked you off”
But it didn’t “tick me off” – it amused me, greatly. Thank you for so eloquently PROVING my point. Your participation in the game is greatly appreciated.
Homie D Clown
October 29th, 2009
11:35 am
Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum
October 29th, 2009
11:33 am
It’s a plot by the man, Charlie Bobo…..
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
11:36 am
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
11:34 am
Nah. Based on your terse statement, it DID tick you off. We have some nice parting gifts for you.
Marsh
October 29th, 2009
11:37 am
JC @ 11:32,
And was, regularly. Final answer?
Nothing Is Free
October 29th, 2009
11:38 am
USinUK
Not that it matters, but:
In May 1968, Bush was commissioned into the Texas Air National Guard.[28] After two years of active-duty service while training,[29] he was assigned to Houston, flying Convair F-102s out of Ellington Air Force Base. (Wikipedia)
F-102 was a real fighter, not a trainer.
Normal
October 29th, 2009
11:39 am
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
11:13 am
JC, the difference is reactions to actions. We reacted to the wars except Iraq. and remember that Korea and Viet Nam had Democrat and Repuplican Presidents presiding, as does the current Afghanistan/Iraq wars.
Comparing wars to recessions is like comparing elephants to p-nuts (pun intended)
Yes, Bush caused the recession by his actions through his administration. If the economy improves, and if the stimulas packages Obama started was proven to help, then yes, he gets the claim because of his actions.
Your logic is flawed
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
11:40 am
Marsh
October 29th, 2009
11:37 am
Wow, let’s get childish. Okay, I guess you can dish it but can’t take it? Let me guess, your dad can whip my dad, right? HAHAHAHAHAHA. How lame.
Marsh
October 29th, 2009
11:40 am
NIF @ 11:38,
You’re correct, for once. It doesn’t matter.
pat
October 29th, 2009
11:40 am
Chris I was against the iraq war from the begining. You are making assumptions that you cannot back up. Saddam was controlable we didn’t need to blow him up.
Ah, but you want people who think differently from you to die..Typical liberal…You and Stalin are good bed buddies.
If you can’t beat’em kill’em.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
11:43 am
Normal
October 29th, 2009
11:39 am
Hardly. You quips about presidents leading us into battle can be directly correlated to the economy. Again, using your logic, until Barry produces a car, develops a viable alternative energy source, or even invents something like Al Gore did (the internet), then he cannot be given credit for any future economic turnaround. Again, that’s using YOUR logic.
Nothing Is Free
October 29th, 2009
11:44 am
Mrs. Godawful
Bite me. You couldn’t care less about anyone who doesn’t agree with you.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
11:44 am
Nothing Is Free
October 29th, 2009
11:38 am
Better watch out. She might come back and debunk your argument by referring to the Dan Rather report.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 29th, 2009
11:45 am
Too bad he didn’t honor them before they died.
Just sayin…..
And bookman, America can do anything it sets it’s national will to doing, and I remember from the kampaign that this war was a righteous battle to capture and defeat those who attacked our country without provocation.
Was all that talk just hot air?
Normal
October 29th, 2009
11:45 am
JC, like any drownding man you will clutch at any straw. Keep clutching, my friend, keep clutching…that’s all.
Marsh
October 29th, 2009
11:46 am
JC @ 11:40,
I just asked for an answer to my question. If you can’t, or don’t want to answer, that’s fine. Calm down, fella. But, yeah, my dad probably could whip your dad, and you, with one hand tied behind him. Well, if my dad were still alive, that is.
Nothing Is Free
October 29th, 2009
11:48 am
Jimmy Carter
She is just a rather dim witted, very angry woman. it is almost impossible NOT to demolish any argument she tries to make and then she starts this crap. When all you can do is quote far left web sites, this is what happens.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 29th, 2009
11:51 am
WASHINGTON (AP) – An early progress report on President Barack Obama’s economic recovery plan overstates by thousands the number of jobs created or saved through the stimulus program, a mistake that White House officials promise will be corrected in future reports.
Now, what about all the mistakes in the health care legislation?
Do we have to wait on Fox to tell us?
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
11:52 am
Normal
October 29th, 2009
11:45 am
You keep cluthing to the DNC playbook, my friend, keeeeeep cluthcing to it.
getalife
October 29th, 2009
11:54 am
He has that empathy gene missing in the con dna.
Nothing Is Free
October 29th, 2009
11:54 am
Marsh
No. It doesn’t mater to you or USinUK. Bush could have cured cancer and you guys would always think he was an idiot because he doesn’t march with you guys.
Controlling a 1960s era Supersonic fighter jet was one of the hardest thing that a pilot had to do. No computers on board to control those over-powered beasts. But hey, you support a lawyer. Now that takes some real skill . . . and courage, too! LOL!!
@@
October 29th, 2009
11:54 am
Geez! Kinda late now “Mr. President”.
During your campaign, Afghanistan was a convenient tool to get yourself elected. Now…while you dither, it’s a photo op?
Your domestic policy is in shambles, yet you conveniently place our troops on the back burner?
Get a clue….those troops are the insurance of our domestic front, you DoNothing DingleBarry.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
11:55 am
I Report
You Whine 
Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 29th, 2009
11:51 am
I guess Barry “lied” about it, just like W did with WMD’s. Wonder if the libs will get riled.
pat
October 29th, 2009
11:55 am
Oh the al qaeda attacked us we have nothing to fear from the taliban!!!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125671554738112567.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories
Idiots
Nothing Is Free
October 29th, 2009
11:57 am
Hey libs
RUN TO YOUR TV SETS!!
Obozo is talking about how important small businesses are!!!!
Maybe he will do more than talk this time!!
Normal
October 29th, 2009
12:00 pm
Mrs G., USinUK, Marsh, and all of you other labled
“Librul” the rabid neo con show has begun. Go get your popcorn and beverage of your choice. Mrs G., I’ve got the mints. Let’s enjoy the show…
Taxpayer
October 29th, 2009
12:01 pm
Jimmy,
Just from a quick scan of the posts since I got back from my morning walk, I’d conclude that it is I that have you ticked off. You war mongering 19 percenter. By the way, Ronnie Raygun would still be a more appropriate moniker for you. That or the name of his better half, Bonzo. You could do a new bedtime story.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
12:03 pm
Normal
October 29th, 2009
12:00 pm
Hey everyone, the “victim” nation is ready for a show!!
"Nothing is Free"'s employees
October 29th, 2009
12:03 pm
RUN TO YOUR TV SETS!!
Nah, that’s why we have wingers around. You guys watch the TeeVee “news” so we don’t have to.
Shananeeeeee Fananeeeeeee
October 29th, 2009
12:03 pm
I am glad he paid his respects, but he is disrespecting all those troops over in Afghanistan that need help and he is waiting, waiting, waiting, for something? He disrespects his Generals over there to. Get off Leno, the golf course, and fundraisers every week and get to work. Change in 2010 and 2012, Change we are looking forward to.
USinUK
October 29th, 2009
12:03 pm
NiF -
“She is just a rather dim witted, very angry woman. it is almost impossible NOT to demolish any argument she tries to make and then she starts this crap. When all you can do is quote far left web sites, this is what happens.”
dear, if I’m dim-witted, that makes you a black hole.
as far as quoting far left sites – ABC is far left? VOA is far left? the fact is, the guardian article was correct and you were wrong – last year was NOT the most promising in Afghanistan. too bad you’re not man enough to acknowledge your error. (as I said to TnG, I wasn’t holding my breath)
as for incomplete training, you are right – he did finish his training, he just decided to leave before his actual SERVICE was completed (and, whoda thunk, there are no records to show that he made up the time later)
When Bush moved to Alabama in May of 1972, he was supposed to report for duty at the 187th Tactical Recon Group in Montgomery Alabama. But the unit’s commander at the time, retired Gen. William Turnipseed, was quoted by several news organizations as saying he had no recollection of Bush showing up. “I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered,” the Globe quoted him saying. This is the source of the charge that Bush was AWOL (Absent Without Leave).
But while Bush himself later was quoted directly by the Dallas Morning News as admitting he missed some weekend drills while in Alabama, he claimed to have made them up afterward. “I was there on a temporary assignment and fulfilled my weekends at one period of time,” he said. “I made up some missed weekends….I can’t remember what I did, but I wasn’t flying because they didn’t have the same airplanes. I fulfilled my obligations.”
source: the waaaayyyyy left National Review
http://www.nationalreview.com/owens/owens200402090833.asp
Taxpayer
October 29th, 2009
12:06 pm
I see that ole Eric Cantor wants to break out of that Party of No albatross that they have chosen to carry around since losing the White House too. Perhaps, he should start by just not saying no. Nah. Don’t change a thing. Your current message is working out just fine for the 19 percenters.
TnGelding
October 29th, 2009
12:07 pm
@@
October 29th, 2009
11:54 am
Shame on you! I thought you were bigger than that. Can’t you at least give him the benefit of a doubt?
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
12:09 pm
Taxpayer
October 29th, 2009
12:01 pm
Nah, I’m good, Mr. 21 percenter.
Me a war monger? Nah. But you, Mr. 21 percenter, you are part of the “victim” nation. When something doesn’t work out your way, you’re a victim. I bet you just loooooove watching Oprah as she parades others of your ilk.
Me a war monger? Nah, I’m just the guy who started a business that enjoyed great growth, and eventually helped support over 150 families. I sold it earlier this year, and am now an “early” retiree.
Me a war monger? Nah, I’m just the guy who works hard and pays more than my share of taxes. You know, the money that enables you 21 percenters to decide if I made too much and who is more deserving of my money.
Me a war monger? Nah, I just enjoy being the daily “speed bump” to you libs. I really iritate the hell out of you, now don’t I? Hahahahahahaha!!
TnGelding
October 29th, 2009
12:10 pm
USinUK
October 29th, 2009
12:03 pm
And he deserted for Harrrvarrrd Business School before he had been released.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
12:11 pm
USinUK
October 29th, 2009
12:03 pm
USinUK, Dan Rather…..Mr. Rather, USinUK. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Bush is gone. Get over it. Spend more of your time doing productive things on Al Gore’s invention, the internet. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
USN
October 29th, 2009
12:12 pm
Change we can believe in? Transparency my ass!! This guy is a stuffed suit. The weakest president this country has ever elected.
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
12:13 pm
“Where did you find that information?”
You’ve missed the point – which was not the salute, it was the lack of a uniform. There is no uniform for the President. And what you have posted has no bearing on the salute. Maybe it’s true (though you’ve only shown Naval documents) that he doesn’t HAVE to salute, but there’s nothing that says he CAN’T either.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
12:13 pm
USN
October 29th, 2009
12:12 pm
I take offense to that. Up till now, I’VE been the weakest president this country has ever elected.
USinUK
October 29th, 2009
12:14 pm
not jimmeh –
wow. so the national review is a left-wing rag, is it??? hahahahaha … thanks for the chuckle …
sooooo sad.
USinUK
October 29th, 2009
12:16 pm
and, with the news that William F Buckley’s National Review is akin to Dan Rather, I’m a’heading up stairs before my eyeballs roll back so far I can see my own spleen
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
12:16 pm
USinUK
October 29th, 2009
12:14 pm
Are you ignorant or just plain stupid? You said “wow. so the national review is a left-wing rag, is it??? hahahahaha … thanks for the chuckle”.
Glad I can bring a chuckle to your day, but just where did I say ANYTHING about the National Review?
Hahahahaha. Thanks for the chuckle. Sooooo sad.
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
12:17 pm
“Based on your terse statement,”
You need to polish up your mind reading skills, your antena is picking giving you faulty signals.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
12:18 pm
USinUK
October 29th, 2009
12:16 pm
HAHAHAHAHA!! Still can’t connect the dots?? Where did I compare the National Review and Dan Rather? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
How’s the spleen?
ed scott
October 29th, 2009
12:26 pm
Regardless of the motivation, he acted like the Commander in Chief last night.
Now, after 24 rounds of golf since President, do you think he can squeeze in just “one round” and visit the wounded at Walter Reed. Not one visit since Jan 20th, not one.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
12:28 pm
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
12:17 pm
“your antena is picking giving you faulty signals.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Your antenna must be disabled, much the same as your brain.
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
12:30 pm
“Your antenna must be disabled, much the same as your brain.”
Nah, that’s just the Engrish breaking out again.
USinUK
October 29th, 2009
12:34 pm
not jimmeh –
“Still can’t connect the dots?? Where did I compare the National Review and Dan Rather?”
dot – I post a passage from the national review
dot – you say “USinUK, Dan Rather…..Mr. Rather, USinUK”
and my spleen is looking pink and lovely, thanks …
RAMBLE ON!!!
October 29th, 2009
12:35 pm
Jimmy Carter and Nothing is free. You are arguing with ignorance, they try disguising it with arrogance. Give it up.
Next thing they’ll tell you is the Recession is over. Oh wait, they already have.
Del
October 29th, 2009
12:42 pm
Normal NIF
Stop screwing with the CIA, let them do their jobs. I can’t disagree with that either but evidently the administration does. Obama’s A.G. Holder wants to conduct investigations and prosecute CIA personnel. Joe Biden advocates on the side of a Special Operations strategy, however, the “Rules of Engagement” directives that are currently impeding and endangering our military are the same ones that restrict SOCOM troops. If we can’t provide the necessary support, we need to call it a day and suffer the longer term consequence and worse yet tell the families of those fallen that their loved one’s died in vain.
Marsh
October 29th, 2009
1:00 pm
NIF @ 11:54,
You said it didn’t matter. I simply agreed with you.
I’ll agree with you again: Yes, President Obama is skilled and courageous.
@@
October 29th, 2009
1:09 pm
TnG:
Shame on you! I thought you were bigger than that. Can’t you at least give him the benefit of a doubt?
I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. With each day that passes, I’m doubting he has what it takes to make the tough decisions. Here’s some of what he said during the campaign (to get himself elected).
“We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages.”
“The Afghan government needs to do more. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism,” Obama — CBS “Face the Nation”
So what’s changed since then, TnG?
Don’t talk to me about public opinion. Public opinion was against Bush’s war in Iraq, but still he moved forward, and Iraq is a relative success. What’s relative? The insurgents swarmed into Iraq to make their bones. Once the surge took effect, they were out of there into the vast unknown of what is Afghanistan/Pakistan.
He has two choices…either he’s gonna pursue the enemy (he said he was) or he’s not. Either decision comes with dire consequences. He needs to make one…not sit on his a$$ lookin’ “insightful”. He has no insight other than what can be seen by the Generals on the ground. They have spoken. Gates has spoken.
Who’s he listening to? Rahmbo, his political advisor. That oughta tell you what this “President” is all about.
Del
October 29th, 2009
1:19 pm
@@
Well said!…all facts.
Del
October 29th, 2009
1:34 pm
USinUK
What you conveniently omit by design or ignorance is that Bush had volunteered for Vietnam, however, by 1972 (actually well before) the call up for fighter pilots from the Guard and Reserves had diminished to zero. Bush wasn’t going anyway and didn’t plan on making the military a career. This tale about dodging service in Alabama was and is largely blown out of proportion. He left the Air National Guard on honorable conditions. Just a little inconvenient truth.
SOUTHERN ATL
October 29th, 2009
1:34 pm
NOW is the time to bring our troops home!!! Would love to know President G.W. Bush’s opinion on the continuation of the war…so sad to see so many fallen troops…With their lives now a thing of the past, how will the U.S. prosper from this war????
@@
October 29th, 2009
1:41 pm
‘Ya know Del, I’m thinking about using that old time-tested message for the “President”.
Shiite or get off the pot. I’m beginning to suspect he’s chillin’ on the weed while Afghanistan goes to seed.
Del
October 29th, 2009
1:50 pm
@@ maybe he’s given up the cig’s for doing a Afghan opium pipe. The One can indulge in a little opium induced bit of self adulation since he’s not getting much of it in the Polls.
Taxpayer
October 29th, 2009
1:52 pm
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
12:09 pm
Nah, You’re my sweet little war mongering 19 percenter that repeats him/her self when he/she gets ticked off.
Swede Atlanta
October 29th, 2009
1:53 pm
I would prefer there not to be a safe haven for those who wish us ill. And I wish there was a way to help the Afghan people find peace and stability. But after 8 years I don’t see the benefit of sacrificing more lives or money in Afghanistan.
I am for doing what we can to shore up the Pakistani government for two reasons. One is they have nuclear arms that could fall into the hands of terrorists or rogue states. Second, instability in Pakistan will trigger a response from India, another nuclear power. We don’t need to see yet another conflict in that region.
I am all for enhancing our intelligence capability provided we do so consistent with our laws, values and Constitution. The whole argument that we had to go into Afghanistan to root out the perpetrators of 9-11 would not exist if 9-11 had been prevented. Had the President, Vice President, Security Advisor Rice, etc. taken the briefing just a week before 9-11 warning of Al-Qaeda’s plans to attack seriously and taken steps to counter the threat would we even be having this discussion?
We cannot be the policeman of the world. Our nation is in shambles because of our adventurism abroad. The Bay Bridge is closed and they estimate there are thousands of bridges that are in need to urgent repair. We have millions without healthcare. Our educational system is in a crisis. We could use the human manpower being used to fight the Afghan and Iraq wars for better good. We could use the money being spend on these foreign wars for better good.
Jimmy Carter
October 29th, 2009
2:31 pm
Taxpayer (aka Founder, Charter Member, and Chapter President of the 21% club)
October 29th, 2009
1:52 pm
Back at you Mr. 21 percenter. Where do you get 19%? Here’s how I back up my statement:
40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004.
You’re a one-trick pony TP. Try another horse and make yourself relevant.
Jake
October 29th, 2009
3:52 pm
Bush – Huge deficits, rising unemployment, US casualties in Middle East for nothing = horrible, impeachable offenses worthy of criminal prosecution. Obama – Huge deficits, rising unemployment, US casualties in Middle East for nothing = best President ever, should be re-elected in a landslide. It’s that simple.
DebbieDoRight
October 29th, 2009
4:09 pm
S.A.: We cannot be the policeman of the world. Our nation is in shambles because of our adventurism abroad.
We can’t and we shouldn’t be. I feel the other nations don’t want to commit because they feel that the US SHOULD do everything by themselves, while the world reaps the benefit. We have to clean up our own back yard before we attempt to clean up someone else’s. Billions (with a B) of dollars per year for the past EIGHT YEARS with nothing new to show for it. It’s time to call it quits.
@@: Shiite or get off the pot. I’m beginning to suspect he’s chillin’ on the weed while Afghanistan goes to seed.
PLEASE……. –ummmmm….. just PLEASE!! Trying to be “hip” after 25 is soooo hard to do!! The best you can hope for is to wait until you’re 40 then you can kick it “old school” and be considered hip to the “youngsters”.
Linda
October 29th, 2009
4:41 pm
Normal at 11:39 Bush didn’t cause the recession. Right before it hit, Bill Clinton BRAGGED about & took credit for the “staggering” “$800 billion” in subprime loans made during his adm. He also admitted the Dems resisted efforts by the Reps to regulate the culprits.
Jack
October 29th, 2009
5:03 pm
Are we just to walk away and let the Taliban regain power? What a sad day that would be.
Jake
October 29th, 2009
5:22 pm
Linda – When Bush was asked about the deficit spending during his first recession, the dotcom bubble – 9/11 one in 2001, he responded, “we had a recession, we were attacked, and we are at war”. what he failed to mention was in the face of all that he gave the rich a huge tax cut. As for his second, the current huge disaster, there are lots of guilty parties, Clinton, Frank, Dowd, Dugan, Greenspan, Bush, Fannie and Freddie, Bear Stearns, greedy banks and mortgage loan companies, the CRA, all contributed.
Atlas Shrugging
October 29th, 2009
5:37 pm
Another day of the same rep-ugant and underachieving parasit dim-wit hate rhetoric. The subjects changes, thanks to Jay, but the hate rhetoric is always the same. I just wanted to comment that I think Lord Obozo finally got it right, just buy Afgan loyality! The plan has a proven history of success with the dem-wit parasites in the ole US of A.
samuel
October 29th, 2009
6:01 pm
I see that the conservative ranters are out in full force again today. I think what makes these White, male(mostly) Southerners so angry are the fact that we have a liberal Democrat as President. For some, it’s the fact that we have a liberal black man as President. Remember, Obama is now further along into his first term than Bush II was on September 11, 2001 and we haven’t been attacked. Also, today it was reported the third quarter GDP grew by 3.5%, the first quarterly increase in the last 5 quarters, endind the longest recession since WWII. Growth was fueled in large part by the stimulus package passed earlier this year, most of the money from the stimulus package has not yet been spent, so more money spent from the stimulus should help the economy keep growing into next year. For the conservatives that post and rant repeatedly on the AJC’s blogs, follow the news more closely, diversify your news sources and stop repeating the rhetoric and generalizations of the people that you allow to influence your thinking. And also, you(mostly) guys don’t strike me as being the most pleasant people to be around. Try to state facts, not repeated diatribes. For me, at least, you conservatives are becoming very tiresome indeed.
Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum
October 29th, 2009
6:37 pm
Yo Sam, lets hope your liberal black man as president does not make like a liberal black mayor and start taking bribes, see Mario Barry (he took his bribes in Crack, he he he), Bill Campbell, Langsford – All convicted felons.
Linda
October 29th, 2009
7:21 pm
Samuel @ 6:01, were you referring to me?
becky
October 30th, 2009
8:51 am
This needs to be brought up everyday 100 times until people understand that those bankers don’t produce money they just move it around (steal a little). We need people to produce something, you can not have a society of “money movers” you have to produce things. Businesses have to be forced to put thier profits back into the company, not take it for themselves. Do you know a small business in the US can have up to 999 employees and there are loop holes that allowes more? We are not a country of opportunity we are now SLAVES to a few aristocrats.