President pays respects to America’s fallen

Obama Fallen Soldiers

President Obama went to Dover, Del. in the wee hours of the morning to greet the returning bodies of U.S. servicemen killed overseas. He also met privately with the families of the fallen for a reported two hours.

He needed to do that. As commander in chief, he honored the sacrifice of those under his command. As president, he expressed the gratitude of the nation not just to those fallen but to all who risk their lives for the country. And as a human being, he saw and felt first hand the consequences of the decisions he is making. It’s a weight every wartime president must carry.

I continue to search for a convincing argument that Afghanistan can be “won.” I haven’t found it yet, and if someone comes across one, let me know. Even Gen. McCrystal’s assessment was pretty pessimistic if you read it. I’d love to sit McChrystal down and ask him one very private question: If we follow your advice, what do you think the chances that in 10 years, Afghanistan will be a peaceful, self-governing nation that offers no harbor for Islamic terrorism?

Forty percent? Eighty percent? It’s sure as hell not 100 percent.

As an AP story pointed out, the U.S. and its allies already outnumber the Taliban forces by 12-1, yet as McChrystal acknowledges, we’re still losing ground. The inherent corruption in Afghanistan and our status as a profoundly alien presence are obstacles that sheer manpower cannot overcome.

I do see a lot of arguments in effect describing Afghanistan as “a test of our will and toughness.” It is so much more important than that, and justifiying it in those terms is profoundly wrong. We’re not bringing those caskets back to Dover as a way to prove our toughness. At least I hope we’re not.

Here’s an AP video of the ceremony early this morning.

383 comments Add your comment

Marsh

October 29th, 2009
8:21 am

Did Shrub ever do that? Not saying he didn’t, just wonderin’.

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
8:26 am

just walk away. Let Afghans sort out Afghanistan’s future.

Normal

October 29th, 2009
8:28 am

I’ll say again what I said downstairs, I wish he would go to Dover to meet the alive troops he had just ordered home.

Peadawg

October 29th, 2009
8:29 am

He needs to explain to families why he hasn’t brought our troops home. Bush didn’t bring them home and now Obama has a chance to right a wrong and he still hasn’t. Some change!

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
8:29 am

Obama’s Declaration Of Swine Flu Emergency Prompts Pro-Swine-Flu Republican Response

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/obamas_declaration_of_swine?utm_source=slate_rss_1

Marsh

October 29th, 2009
8:32 am

A GOP swine flu endorsement. You know, you could not make this sh*t up!

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
8:33 am

What are the chances “that in 10 years, Afghanistan will be a peaceful, self-governing nation that offers no harbor for Islamic terrorism”? I’d put it at about 5%.

Peadawg

October 29th, 2009
8:34 am

I agree Doggone. If I was a bettin’ man, I wouldn’t put much money on it.

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
8:34 am

well done, Obama – thanks for not only having the integrity for honoring our war dead, but also for realizing that US citizens SHOULD see our dead being repatriated.

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
8:35 am

Peadawg –

I’m with you and Doggone … with the caveat that, if it is peaceful, it’s going to be under the heel of a boot.

Call it like it is.

October 29th, 2009
8:36 am

Enough is enough, bring them home. Afghanistan is just a testing ground for new weapons. Getting really tired of being the policeman for the world. Nobody else seems to care what goes on with these guys. Its in their backyard so let Europe, China, India handle it. Would love to see what the world and the UN would do without American troops and American money.

Not saying we should part ways with everybody, but getting really tired of the rest of world hating on us, until they need us.

Afghanistan is a souless pit. The USSR couldnt defeat them, and we can’t either. The 2 most powerful armys in the world and they are still there.

Whats that definition of insanity again?

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
8:37 am

oh … and …

WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Q3 GDP came in higher than expected … 3.5% (annualized)

and continuing jobless claims had a pretty sizeable fall, as well.

The Other Marsh

October 29th, 2009
8:38 am

Nothing poblem with the first part, the end is the problem. So just have all the fallen to have died in vein, and cut and and run, and allow Afghanistan to once again become controlled by the Taliban is what you’re saying huh Jay?

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
8:38 am

The U.S. economy grew in the third quarter for the first time in more than a year, propelled by stimulus-driven gains in consumer spending and home building.

The world’s largest economy expanded at a 3.5 percent pace from July through September, exceeding the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News, after shrinking the previous four quarters, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Household purchases climbed 3.4 percent, the most in more than two years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=a_bD4gJ8o4wc

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
8:39 am

The number of Americans collecting unemployment insurance fell more than forecast to the lowest level in seven months, a government report showed.

The number of people receiving jobless benefits declined by 148,000 to 5.8 million in the week ended Oct. 17, the lowest since March 21 and biggest weekly drop since July, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. Initial jobless claims fell by 1,000 to 530,000 in the week ended Oct. 24, from 531,000 the prior week.

Companies are cutting few jobs as they see more evidence of a recovery, helped by government stimulus efforts and less weakness in housing and manufacturing. A rebound in hiring may take longer to materialize than other parts of the economy, and economists predict the unemployment rate will rise to 10 percent by early 2010.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=addLGY7AlNrM

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
8:40 am

God Bless You Mr. President and give you the wisdom to bring them home.

Peadawg…you support bring them home rather than surging?

Jackie

October 29th, 2009
8:40 am

The USA has had a presence in Afghanistan longer than the old Soviet Union, whom had to go home in defeat. For their efforts, Afghanistan was more lawless than when they went in.

What is our purpose in the country and what can we do to bring peace and stability?

The obvious answers are we have no purpose: we can not impose peace nor bring about stability without the Afghans wanting it.

Time to load it up and head back this way!

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
8:41 am

now, where’s my friend TF … we can hang out and watch all the green lights on the equities market …

RAMBLE ON!!!

October 29th, 2009
8:41 am

Getting some points for the big Jay Leno interview coming up.

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
8:43 am

“if it is peaceful, it’s going to be under the heel of a boot.”

And I agree with that…and I think that’s what will happen in Iraq also, BTW.

Peadawg

October 29th, 2009
8:43 am

“Peadawg…you support bring them home rather than surging?”

Yes I do Godzilla. I’m actually kinda of torn on the subject…on one hand, we need to finally get Bin Laden but on the other hand, I’m tired of ready a story every other day about 5 or 10 or whatever more soldiers killed in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
8:44 am

The other marsh,

So, you want other young Americans to die there? Tell me what the “win” is in Afghanistan. What do we tell the parents and families of the young who die there in the future?

“Well, we just couldn’t walk away cause that would LOOK bad”??

RAMBLE ON!!!

October 29th, 2009
8:44 am

What happened to “Code Pink”?

mmm, mmmm, mmmm

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
8:45 am

“Surge” is a pay-off to the enemy to stop shooting our young people. Where do you want to get the money for that and what will that solve?

Call it like it is.

October 29th, 2009
8:46 am

“The other marsh”

Dude take your time, get your thoughts in order, type slowly, re-read the post, fix errors, then hit the submit comment tab.

Marsh

October 29th, 2009
8:47 am

This is something we ALL need to see.

Such a contrast to the previous, ahem, ‘administration’.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/02/10/2009-02-10_family_members_of_fallen_soldiers_urge_p.htm

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
8:48 am

Peadawg,

Thanks for the honest answer.

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
8:48 am

“So just have all the fallen to have died in vein, and cut and and run”

Try looking up the meaing of the phrase “throwing good money after bad”

GoingBroke

October 29th, 2009
8:50 am

Thank You Mr. President.. The only downside is you had to smear it to get your “photo op”

Normal

October 29th, 2009
8:50 am

USinUK, Back in ‘69, I was asked by a family to escort their sons body back from ‘Nam, and this is probably the most vivid memory I have of that part of my life. Without going into great detail, I was deep in my second tour, and when replacements came in, I avoided them…they were just meat to me, as was the sailor I was to escort. I, evidently did or said something to hime that he wrote home about.

To this day, I don’t know, but long story short, I ended up sitting on a Nebraska front porch, making up lies on how brave he was, died like a man, went down fighting. I was 22 then.

When I got back to my unit, I requested to extend for a third tour. When asked why, I said “So some other poor bast*d won’t have to”.

War is such a stupid enterprise and ought to be outlawed. Then there would be no reason for someone to have to do what I did.

Common Sense

October 29th, 2009
8:51 am

Saluting pristine flag draped caskets is one thing. I would like to see a president for once who had the courage to go over and watch the mangled bodies as they come off the medivac choppers.

Hotlanta

October 29th, 2009
8:53 am

Wow – I wonder who taught the President to salute. I am sure he hadn’t planned on saluting, but someone told him, “Psst, lift your right hand up to the side of your head like this.” I am sure it nearly killed him to have to do it – about like it did when he wouldn’t place his hand over his heart at the Pledge of Allegiance.

The Other Marsh

October 29th, 2009
8:53 am

Hey Finn, why do you libs want to make it another Vietnam so badly? If I knew what would result in winning the Afghan campaign, I wouldn’t be here blogging with you. I’d be a military analyst.

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
8:54 am

GoingBroke

October 29th, 2009
8:57 am

USinUK
- Peoples benefits are running OUT.. thats why the numbers get lower.

Other Rants -

- Whitehouse miscounts jobs that it created by several THOUSAND – double and triple counted in some case – Yep.. trust these people when they say the healthcare bill won’t cost you anything.
- Clunkers program cost $24,000 per car.. this figure done by people that actually study the industry.. not by some czar that has no clue.
- Rangel – Man that forms IRS regulations reveals he hasn’t been paying taxes for YEARS.. but thats OK with the Dems.. they have even come out and supported him.. (FYI he is not paying fines on his back taxes either) Guess thats the new CHANGE..

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
8:57 am

Normal – my brother-in-law’s brother (my sister’s husband’s brother) is a chaplain in the AF … he’s done 3 tours in Iraq and 1 in Qatar … frankly, I don’t know how either of you do that kind of duty. I guess I look at it as hard enough when you have to carry the gun, umpteen times as hard when you’re spiritually and emotionally carrying the guys who carry the guns.

bless you, my good friend.

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
8:58 am

“about like it did when he wouldn’t place his hand over his heart at the Pledge of Allegiance”

That’s right…he should have put his hand over his stomach like George Bush did: http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/falsehoods-about-barack-obama-not-putting-his-hand-on-his-heart/178/

DAVID

October 29th, 2009
8:58 am

BARRY…..Losing “Is not an option-”..get it……LOSING Is not an option..

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
8:59 am

would someone mind telling going broke that benefits have been extended, so this number doesn’t reflect the roll-off.

thanks

Marsh

October 29th, 2009
8:59 am

So…did Shrub ever go pay respects?

Not only did Shrub and Shooter want to hide the coffins, they shoved our honored, wounded veterans into filthy hospital wards, denied them decent medical care, and then had the nerve to call people who complained, ‘terrorist sympathizers.’

RAMBLE ON!!!

October 29th, 2009
9:00 am

dude…haven’t seen them in the last 10 months.

again, what happened to Code Pink?

Thogwummpy

October 29th, 2009
9:00 am

I’m just wondering when Obama will visit Iraq to lay a wreath on Saddam’s grave. After all, if a liberal is true to his anti-war position, honoring Saddam would be a mandatory act of national contrition. Of course, this administration hires senior staff that are devotees of such humanitarians as Mao (the biggest mass murderer in human history) and Che (who executed thousands of men, women, and children for the “crime” of having property and wanting to be free…traditional values America held dear until we elected this Marxist novelty president)—-so really, any official ceremony to praise Saddam would be right in character. Let’s not forget, Saddam’s Baath Party…like the Democrats…was SOCIALIST—and Lefty collectivists tend to stick together.

Sunshine and Thunder

October 29th, 2009
9:00 am

George Bush met privately with each family far away from the cameras. Every president has his way of paying respects.

Hotlanta

October 29th, 2009
9:02 am

Obama didn’t salute the flag – I saw it myself. It was during the presidential campaign. He was on the platform with all of the other Democratic Candidates for a debate, and he didn’t put his hand over his heart, unlike Hillary Clinton and the other candidates. It was there, Doggone. That’s what people remember, not the other times where he decided to pledge AFTER it was pointed out that he didn’t then. He only did it AFTER he was made to for “political expediency.”

electrician

October 29th, 2009
9:03 am

normal…I totally agree with your constant call to bring them home, my son came back alive, but with a permanently disabling back injury that required major surgery that included some hardware being installed in his spine..the cost of all this is too high for the results it is producing.

RAMBLE ON!!!

October 29th, 2009
9:03 am

I’m shocked he had the courage to meet with the families…probably the last time he’ll do that.

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
9:03 am

“dude…haven’t seen them in the last 10 months. again, what happened to Code Pink?”

Ramble – do you have reading comprehension problems???

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
8:54 am
What happened to “Code Pink”?

dude … google. it’s your friend

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&source=hp&q=code%20pink%20protests&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

Call it like it is.

October 29th, 2009
9:04 am

Okay, enough is enough. Obama is not my favorite person, but I will not attack him for being there when the dead body of a solider is coming home. Only he knows why he was there and I will assume it was for the right reasons.

This is not a right or left thing, not a democrat or a republican thing. America has had its nose in Afghanistan for “decades” starting with us giving them weapons to fight the soviets. Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama all could have made better choices when it comes to this hell hole.

You know the more I think about it, the madder I get. So much I don’t even feel like playing anymore with you guys today. I’m out of here…………..

Jimmy Carter

October 29th, 2009
9:04 am

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
8:33 am

Not being the contrarian, but I think 5% may be a little too high.

Road Scholar

October 29th, 2009
9:05 am

Hotlanta: And you call yourself a patriot. Can’t you accept anything with respect?

Going broke: If you haven’t noticed, the president can’t take a crap without someone trying to get his picture. If he wanted a “photo opt” wouldn’t he have staged it in broad daylight with all (even Fox) networks in attendance? Give me a break!

Curious Observer

October 29th, 2009
9:05 am

If we follow your advice, what do you think the chances that in 10 years, Afghanistan will be a peaceful, self-governing nation that offers no harbor for Islamic terrorism?

Oh, I don’t know. I’d say about the same chances that a Southern Baptist will view other religions as equal and see women’s reproductive rights and sexual orientation as a private issue.

Let’s see, now, Afghanistan is a primitive country populated by a people that scorn the notion of democracy and that see room for only one religion. It is governed by a puppet who is the creation of a bunch of warlords, all of whom get a piece of the pie. Its government wouldn’t care if 100,000 of our troops were slaughtered, provided that slaughter had no adverse impact on its power. It has zero strategic value, except for its geographical location as a launching pad for insurgent raids into Pakistan.

The real strategic value in the region resides in Pakistan and its nuclear weapons. Let the insurgents slaughter Karzai and his corrupt government. It doesn’t really matter who governs Afghanistan. It is still a s__hole that bases its existence on the opium trade. Use air strikes, including drones, to decimate the insurgents in their safe haven on the country’s border with Pakistan. Ignore Afghanistan, focus on securing Pakistan, and bring our ground troops home. Stop acting as though our manhood is at stake if we withdraw our ground troops. If Alexander the Great, Great Britain, and the Soviet Union couldn’t win a ground war in Afghanistan, why do people think we can?

david wayne osedach

October 29th, 2009
9:05 am

Sadly we will never win the war in Afghanistan. Our boys are dying in vain.

ken

October 29th, 2009
9:07 am

USinUK, You need to go to work for Oboso. You do not have a clue !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
9:08 am

The Other Marsh,
Do you own stock in military contractors? Those are the only people with anything to “win” in this.

The last Boy Scout

October 29th, 2009
9:08 am

I think we need to combat the Taliban and all terrorist in Afghanistan. We also need to help the Afghan people build their country again. The payoff for America is another free country.

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
9:08 am

hotlanta

laughing so hard…..try google…..debunked…..

Jimmy Carter

October 29th, 2009
9:08 am

Stimulus jobs overstated by thousands…

More than $1.2 billion awarded to firms on watchdog’s list…

Afghan, Pakistan carnage raises heat on Obama…

Obama Insider: Bill Sunk Hillary’s VP Chances…

‘Defaced flag’ video is finalist in DNC contest…

Obama eyes smaller Afghan troop option…

Unhappy with criticism of his NYC date night…

Marsh

October 29th, 2009
9:08 am

SaT @ 9:00,

So did President Obama.

Taxpayer

October 29th, 2009
9:09 am

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
8:29 am

Well, the GOP is trying to break out of that image of being the party of no.

GoingBroke

October 29th, 2009
9:09 am

“Bush has met with more than 500 families of troops killed in action and with more than 950 wounded veterans, often during private sessions, “

Hotlanta

October 29th, 2009
9:10 am

Looking back, Road Scholar, I never read anywhere that said, “I call myself a patriot.”

Now am I patriotic? Yes. That is why it totally erked me when the then presidential candidate Senator Obama wouldn’t pledge the flag while all of the other candidates did.

Am I glad the president decided to go to honor the fallen soldiers. ABSOLUTELY! I respect the position of the President of the United States, too. But do I respect Obama, the man? No.

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
9:10 am

“he didn’t put his hand over his heart, unlike Hillary Clinton and the other candidates. It was there, Doggone”

WHO CARES? I don’t put my hand over MY heart either, I don’t salute the flag, and I don’t say the pledge of allegiance. NONE of those makes a “patriot” – they’re just window dressing. It’s what he DOES for the country that matters, not the “rah rah” stuff.

Normal

October 29th, 2009
9:10 am

electrician, then do what I do. Everyday I post here, I post at the White House and the Democratic Party sites. I don’t know if it does anygood but I know that someone has to see it and maybe if enough people do it, the word will get to the President. Waiting to vote is too far away and too many more lives will be lost by then. We can’t do much, but we can do what we can. Please write.

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
9:11 am

“but I think 5% may be a little too high”

You won’t get any argument from me, I was just trying to be as generous as I could bear to be.

DAVID- the Truth Detector

October 29th, 2009
9:11 am

Under BUSH…….the AJC gleefully reported the mounting death count…Editors salivated over the rising DEATH count.

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
9:13 am

“Our boys are dying in vain”

So are our “GIRLS” Our SOLDIERS are dying in vain, not just our “boys”

Road Scholar

October 29th, 2009
9:13 am

Call it like it is: Well said! Don’t retreat from these mannerless, angry thugs. Why can’t we discuss,and/or disagree with respect?

To those who have served, I thank you for your service. For those who have lost loved ones, my regards and prayers.

Truth

October 29th, 2009
9:14 am

Just window dressing??? Unbelievable. But you are free to say and do that, so do it while you can… We are losing our freedom inch by inch everyday.

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
9:14 am

You folks stand around bitchin about how much health care reform is going to cost while we throw millions of dollars a day away on a war that isn’t even winnable.

The Last Boy Scout, if you ever see a free country, you point it out to me, ok?

When afghanistan gets put back together another dictator will take it over. 10 years from now NOTHING will have changed in Afghanistan. NOTHING.

Hotlanta

October 29th, 2009
9:15 am

I beg your pardon, Doggone, but when placing your hand over your heart and saying the Pledge of Allegiance become window dressing and “rah rah” stuff? As an American, that is respect for your country, not window dressing! And if your job is a representative of the United States (whether senator or president), then it should be a mandatory action.

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
9:15 am

“Under BUSH…….the AJC gleefully reported the mounting death count…Editors salivated over the rising DEATH count.”

dangitall, where was that sign??? … OH! HERE’S YOUR SIGN!!!

William

October 29th, 2009
9:16 am

Benefits have been extended four times including the lastest extention coming out of congress. All states will soon become bankrupt and will have to borrow money from the federal government…higher taxes coming to your area soon( for those who are working)!

So can Miss USinUK and Mrs G explain to me how this healthcare is going to help those without jobs. Ga is at or over 10% unemployment. So, to those with children which seems more important–To make USinUK and Mrs G feel good or bring jobs to those who need to support their families.

I too escorted a fallen brother in arms. It was the most personal thing. However, if you win a war you must destroy the civilians along with the military. One supports the other. If you do not use this kind of tactic, then you are like Vietnam and will have high weekly body counts they could go on forever. Hey, a democrat was in charge those days too.

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
9:17 am

“Salivated” over the death count? I bet you also believe pro choice people are “pro” abortion, too?

You should watch Fox News, they rely on people who think like that.

Marsh

October 29th, 2009
9:17 am

D-tTD @ 9:11,

Prove how you know this to be true.

RAMBLE ON!!!

October 29th, 2009
9:18 am

Never had to google “Code Pink” before, just tune into the nightly news. That was 10 months ago Slick.

Perhaps your comprehension skills need to go beyond reading.

stands for decibels

October 29th, 2009
9:19 am

Stop acting as though our manhood is at stake if we withdraw our ground troops

Even though this shouldn’t have to be said, ever–this really can’t be stressed strongly enough.

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
9:20 am

“I beg your pardon, Doggone, but when placing your hand over your heart and saying the Pledge of Allegiance become window dressing and “rah rah” stuff?”

When have they ever been anything BUT rah rah stuff? The worst America hater to exist can put his hand over his heart, say the words and salute the flag it won’t mean a damn thing.

Jackie

October 29th, 2009
9:21 am

@NORMAL

Salute!
1st Cav Div, 68-69

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
9:21 am

William

How many children to you have and how old are they?

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
9:21 am

Love it how some folks want to “impose” freedom on other countries through force.

That makes all kinds of sense. Fox News has an endless pool of Americans to keep its ratings high.

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
9:22 am

do not to…

Normal

October 29th, 2009
9:24 am

Jackie

October 29th, 2009
9:21 am

Welcome home, Brother.

William

October 29th, 2009
9:25 am

I say bring the troops home. We may need them to protect the congress and POTUS. Their may be chaos when Lying Obama proclaims himself a god.

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
9:25 am

william –

“So can Miss USinUK and Mrs G explain to me how this healthcare is going to help those without jobs”

from my understanding of the bill, the proposed legislation will give the unemployed another option for purchasing affordable health care (which COBRA usually isn’t) via the public option and/or insurance exchanges.

Hard Right Hook

October 29th, 2009
9:25 am

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
8:33 am
“What are the chances “that in 10 years, Afghanistan will be a peaceful, self-governing nation that offers no harbor for Islamic terrorism”? I’d put it at about 5%.”

Great point. Afghanistan hasn’t changed one iota in 2,500 years. What makes anyone think they’ll go along with any program imposed on them? I don’t think a country that condemns the west and derives it’s income from Poppy production will change 1%. On a good day.

Paul

October 29th, 2009
9:25 am

I saw on the news this morning it was a midnight arrival. Somber. But the sad point is, and one I’m sure the President realizes is, that if he decides Afg is still the good war, the just war, that we have to see it through… then he’s going to see many more coffins come home (I know some of you think those are just ‘projected casualties’ but I disagree). That’s the effect of a Presidential decision. And I’ll also offer – if he’s still convinced Afghanistan is vital to our national interests, as he’s said in the past, then he can’t be ruled by sad emotions. That’s the reality of being Commander in Chief.

Marsh 8:21

[[Did Shrub ever do that? Not saying he didn’t, just wonderin’.]]

Washington Times reported he met with families and wounded soldiers and tried to keep the meetings secret. I understand he also wrote – not just signed, but wrote – letters to the families of each soldier killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Doggone/GA 8:33

[[What are the chances “that in 10 years, Afghanistan will be a peaceful, self-governing nation that offers no harbor for Islamic terrorism”? I’d put it at about 5%.]]

I’d say you’re an optimist. That was not sarcasm.

Ramble On

[[What happened to Code Pink]]

They had the same view of Afg as they had of Iraq – get out now. Then the group’s founder, Medea Benjamin, made a trip to Afg and met with many Afg women and groups. She’s modified her views, given what she sees as a likely outcome if there’s an immediate US withdrawal.

I saw her interviewed on Fox and give that report. No wonder Liberals hate Fox News. They give time to Progressive people with divergent views.

Marsh 8:47

Contrast? Did you miss the part about how Pres Bush preferred to keep the meetings secret, private?

Normal 8:50

When I was watching the Emmys there was an HBO movie that kept getting nominated. Taking Chance. True story about a Marine who escorted a fallen Marine to his small hometown. Starred Kevin Bacon. (Didn’t get one award – antipathy towards anything Iraq runs pretty deep in Hollywood).

Hotlanta
[[I am sure it nearly killed him to have to do it – about like it did when he wouldn’t place his hand over his heart at the Pledge of Allegiance.]]

You really don’t understand the difference between the role of Commander in Chief and the role of citizen, do you?

Normal

October 29th, 2009
9:27 am

William: “Hey, a democrat was in charge those days too.”

So was a Republican, just sayin’

Hotlanta

October 29th, 2009
9:27 am

That’s the problem – it used to mean something, but you have pointed out how little it means to you and to others.

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
9:28 am

doggone –

“When have they ever been anything BUT rah rah stuff? The worst America hater to exist can put his hand over his heart, say the words and salute the flag it won’t mean a damn thing.”

raucous applause — well said.

ramble –

“Never had to google “Code Pink” before, just tune into the nightly news. ”

awwww … poor ramble has reading problems and can only get his news from the teeeveee … (which explains oh, so much)

Bosch

October 29th, 2009
9:29 am

“Oh, I don’t know. I’d say about the same chances that a Southern Baptist will view other religions as equal and see women’s reproductive rights and sexual orientation as a private issue.”

Damn. Where’s that keyboard/monitor cleaner? That was a waste of a good sip of Coke.

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
9:30 am

“it used to mean something, but you have pointed out how little it means to you and to others”

I’m guessing this was addressed to me. If it helps to make you feel even more superior, I don’t bow my head in prayer either.

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
9:30 am

Bosch –

hey my friend – hope you’re doing okay …

William

October 29th, 2009
9:31 am

USinUK:
“purchasing with what?” In my family if you do not have a job you can not purchase anything. You are putting the cart ahead of the horse…I hate that saying. Maybe you can further explain how my family can purchase healthcare without a job. I will gladly pass that info on…

Taxpayer

October 29th, 2009
9:32 am

I too escorted a fallen brother in arms. It was the most personal thing. However, if you win a war you must destroy the civilians along with the military. One supports the other. If you do not use this kind of tactic, then you are like Vietnam and will have high weekly body counts they could go on forever. Hey, a democrat was in charge those days too

So, you approve of the tactics used by Al Queda on 9/11/01.

Joe Biden

October 29th, 2009
9:32 am

I’m smarter than you.

What we need is a great leader. Back when the depression hit, President FDR got on TV and assured the nation that things would be okay. We need another leader like that. One that will focus on things like a simple three letter word, J – O – B – S.

As I said, I am smarter than you.

USinUK

October 29th, 2009
9:33 am

“it used to mean something, but you have pointed out how little it means to you and to others”

please. any half-wit can put their hand over their heart one minute, then subvert the constitution the next (yeah, Ronnie, I’m looking at you). I really couldn’t give a good goddam if someone says the pledge – I’m more interested in what they DO to support the country keep the country true to its constitutional ideals.

mike

October 29th, 2009
9:33 am

Well, Jay and the AJC “news” staff sure jumped all over this political photo op with the requisite praise. As soon as I saw this on the front page of the MSNBC, I knew that it would be the subject of Jay’s blog. You can set a watch to Jay’s brand of predictable echoing of partisan spin.

Kudos to the White House PR staff. They really know how to get the media to bark on command.

Marsh

October 29th, 2009
9:34 am

Paul @ 9:25,

President Obama met privately with the families as well. President Obama is not afraid of the fallen soldiers’ coffins.

Nice try, though.

godless heathen

October 29th, 2009
9:34 am

It was a noble gesture by the President. He gets one right.

Paul

October 29th, 2009
9:35 am

G’morning, Bosch

Time to relax and wind down, huh?

Did you get the Rowan Atkinson clip I posted for you? Thought you needed a bit of light diversion.