Yikes! Newt Gingrich making sense!?!?

These are frightening words to type, but … Newt Gingrich and I agree with each other.

Talking to Greta van Susteren last night on Fox, the former speaker noted that Dede Scozzafava, the Republican candidate in New York’s 23rd congressional district, had been chosen by county party leaders in that district to be the GOP’s nominee in next week’s special election.

Yet Republicans from outside that district are trying to overrule that choice as ideologically unsuitable and impose their own candidate on the district.

Here’s an outtake of the discussion:

Gingrich: Well, I just find it fascinating that my many friends who claim to be against Washington having too much power, they claim to be in favor of the 10th Amendment giving states back their rights, they claim to favor local control and local authority, now they suddenly get local control and local authority in upstate New York, they don’t like the outcome.

There were four Republican meetings. In all four meetings, state Representative Dede Scozzafava came in first. In all four meetings, Mr. Hoffman, the independent, came in either last or certainly not in the top three. He doesn’t live in the district. Dede Scozzafava…

VAN SUSTEREN: He doesn’t live in the district?

GINGRICH: No, he lives outside of the district. Dede Scozzafava is endorsed by the National Rifle Association for her 2nd Amendment position, has signed the no-tax-increase pledge, voted against the Democratic governor’s big-spending budget, is against the cap-and-trade tax increase on energy, is against the Obama health plan, and will vote for John Boehner, rather than Nancy Pelosi, to be speaker.

Now, that’s adequately conservative in an upstate New York district. And on other issues, she’s about where the former Republican, McHugh, was. So I say to my many conservative friends who suddenly decided that whether they’re from Minnesota or Alaska or Texas, they know more than the upstate New York Republicans? I don’t think so. And I don’t think it’s a good precedent. And I think if this third-party candidate takes away just enough votes to elect the Democrat, then we will have strengthened Nancy Pelosi by the divisiveness. We will not have strengthened the conservative movement.

Gingrich goes on to conclude that if “we’re going to purge the party of anybody who doesn’t agree with us 100 percent — that guarantees Obama’s reelection. That guarantees Pelosi is speaker for life. I mean, I think that is a very destructive model for the Republican Party.”

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Newt Gingrich, the voice of reason in the GOP.

That too is a scary thing to type.

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October 28th, 2009
3:18 pm

GINGRICH: No, he lives outside of the district. Dede Scozzafava is endorsed by the National Rifle Association for her 2nd Amendment position, has signed the no-tax-increase pledge, voted against the Democratic governor’s big-spending budget, is against the cap-and-trade tax increase on energy, is against the Obama health plan, and will vote for John Boehner, rather than Nancy Pelosi, to be speaker.

Yeah and she’s pro abortion and associated with ACORN.

What happened to Newt’s messy little divorce you libs used to make a huge deal out of, claiming it rendered unfit to make any sound judgments?

hmmm?

mm

October 28th, 2009
3:18 pm

The wingnuts want to tell everyone else how things should be done. But you better not tell them how things should be done.

mm

October 28th, 2009
3:21 pm

Whiner,

“What happened to Newt’s messy little divorce you libs used to make a huge deal out of, claiming it rendered unfit to make any sound judgments?”

Why do you lie so much? hmmm?

I believe the rant against Newt was that he was fooling around on his wife while carrying the torch and pitchfork to get Clinton impeached over a BJ.

Jackie

October 28th, 2009
3:22 pm

The circular firing squad attracts more members.
If someone asks the Repubs what they want, their reply is usually stated “…I don’t know, but I will tell you when I see it.”

Bud Wiser

October 28th, 2009
3:24 pm

I always said Obowo was a lying sack of ****.

Here is proof right from the Liar In Chiefs own lips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0

Doggone/GA

October 28th, 2009
3:24 pm

Jackie – ““…I don’t know, but I will tell you when I see it.””

I think they’re beyond even that. I think it’s more “I’ll tell you when someone tells ME”

Mrs. Godzilla

October 28th, 2009
3:26 pm

Still liking the idea of Newt/Liz 2012….

Immensely beatable.

Doggone/GA

October 28th, 2009
3:28 pm

Funny thing is, and I’ve thought this for a long time…Newt missed his calling when he got into politics. If he’d stayed in academia he’d be a respected, conservative scholar and critic now. Instead of a laughingstock.

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
3:31 pm

So much for local control and States Rights. I guess the people in Texas know what’s best for upstate New York. Hmmm, maybe States Rights means that one state may better know what’s right for another state.

stands for decibels

October 28th, 2009
3:34 pm

VAN SUSTEREN: He doesn’t live in the district?

Kee-ryst, as of last night, did Greta really not know that?

Booger Sandwich

October 28th, 2009
3:35 pm

Chuck Norris once ate a whole cake before his friends could tell him there was a stripper in it.

A Chuck Norris-delivered Roundhouse Kick is the preferred method of execution in 16 states.

Chuck Norris doesn’t actually write books, the words assemble themselves out of fear.

When an episode of Walker Texas Ranger was aired in France, the French surrendered to Chuck Norris just to be on the safe side.

Normal

October 28th, 2009
3:38 pm

Said it below…Chuck Norris wears a tutu. It used to belong to Newt(ered)

Booger Sandwich

October 28th, 2009
3:39 pm

While urinating, Chuck Norris is easily capable of welding titanium.

When taking the SAT, write “Chuck Norris” for every answer. You will score over 8000.

When you’re Chuck Norris, anything + anything is equal to 1. One roundhouse kick to the face.

Little known medical fact: Chuck Norris invented the Caesarean section when he roundhouse-kicked his way out of his monther’s womb.

Normal

October 28th, 2009
3:41 pm

Chuck Norris eats tofu

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
3:45 pm

Come to think of it, the normally opinionated and glad to regurgitate it Republicans have been rather quiet of late. Is Rush on vacation.

Mrs. Godzilla

October 28th, 2009
3:46 pm

Chuck Norris?

Stole the clown cars…..

Booger Sandwich

October 28th, 2009
3:47 pm

Chuck Norris’ favorite halloween prank is to attend a party dressed as a “round house kick to the face”.

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
3:47 pm

Moses did not part the Red Sea. The water jumped back in fear because Chuck Norris was right behind Moses.

The atomic bomb was created by scientist trying to recreate the energy released during a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
3:47 pm

Chuck once got his buttocks kicked by a grasshopper. But, grasshopper has gone to another place now.

Booger Sandwich

October 28th, 2009
3:49 pm

LMAO…too much fun…tomorrow friends!!

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
3:50 pm

DoggoneGA

**If he’d stayed in academia he’d be a respected, conservative scholar and critic now. Instead of a laughingstock.**

You just don’t get it. To liberals, anyone who doesn’t march the goose step is considered to be a laughing stock. That sort of makes you all look like the actual laughing stock.

Normal

October 28th, 2009
3:51 pm

Chuck Norris dates Barney Franks

Jimmy Carter

October 28th, 2009
3:52 pm

Newt makes sense on many occasions. You just need to get the Obama ear plugs out of your ears to listen to what he says.

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
3:52 pm

David Banner never got angry at Chuck Norris. Would you?

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
3:52 pm

Chuck Norris drinks PediaSure.

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
3:54 pm

Mrs. Godzilla

**Still liking the idea of Newt/Liz 2012….**

I saw Liz Cheney disassemble a panel of the best the DNC had to offer on ABC’s Sunday morning show. If you aren’t afraid of Liz Cheney, then you haven’t seen her debate a liberal.

Mrs. Godzilla

October 28th, 2009
3:54 pm

Jackie

October 28th, 2009
3:55 pm

@DoggoneGA

Are you saying there is a sheepish element in their approach?
Not them!!!!!

Mrs. Godzilla

October 28th, 2009
3:55 pm

NIF

Chuck Norris is Liz Cheney….

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
3:55 pm

But, Chuck no roundhouse kick David Banner. If him did, David Banner turn green with envy.

Normal

October 28th, 2009
3:56 pm

oh,oh…gotta go

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
3:56 pm

Is Rush on vacation.

Sadly, no.

Yo'momma Obama

October 28th, 2009
3:57 pm

Chuck Norris and Barney Frank? I bet I know who “pitches” and who “catches”, lol

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
3:57 pm

Mrs. Godzilla

**Chuck Norris is Liz Cheney….**

I would rather say that Liz Cheney is a verbal Chuck Norris.

Mrs. Godzilla

October 28th, 2009
3:57 pm

Ever see Liz Cheney and Chuck Norris together…….????

Jimmy Carter

October 28th, 2009
3:58 pm

Doggone/GA

October 28th, 2009
3:24 pm

Doggone/GA

October 28th, 2009
3:28 pm

Is this the same Doggone/GA who bashes others by claiming they add “nothing” to the discussion. HAhahahahahahahahaha!! I rest my case.

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
4:00 pm

JC

What’s that old saying? Even a broken clock is right twice a day. J/K

Newt might be an ok guy. I personally go along with the hypocrite label though. The first impression I saw of Newt was his posturing on Clinton’s misgivings. I never really paid much attention to what he actually said before then. At the time, I agreed with him to a point about Clinton and the fact that he lied under oath. I lost respect for him after I found out he was doing the same thing. Once that respect is lost, it’s hard to get back

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
4:02 pm

Ever see Liz Cheney and Chuck Norris together…….????

Nor have I seen chuck Norris and Macaulay Culkin together

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
4:03 pm

Chuck Norris doesn’t fear terrorists. He actually enjoys them… for breakfast.

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
4:04 pm

Angry Black Man

When did Newt lie under oath?

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
4:06 pm

NIF

Not Newt, Clinton.

wyldbyllhyltnyr@gmail.com

October 28th, 2009
4:06 pm

Jay. how a bout, we don’t change subjects when I’m making some headway? Couldn’t you have waited a little until I closed the deal?

Mrs. Godzilla

October 28th, 2009
4:08 pm

how about…and keep myself only unto you…..

IC Atlanta

October 28th, 2009
4:09 pm

I agree with Newt – it is up to the local folks to decide who their representative is.

Meanwhile – Hope & Change has struck again. Boy those dems really no how to turn around an economy.

http://www.ajc.com/business/atlanta-s-vacant-office-176491.html

@@

October 28th, 2009
4:12 pm

And YIKES, the dems had to seek out an independent turned Democrat to carry their water.

“My beliefs and principles are essentially Democratic beliefs and principles, and what label you want to slide on me I don’t think is necessarily appropriate,” Owens told me late Monday in his first interview as a candidate. “I think you have to look at how someone has acted over the span of your lifetime.”

Owens spoke about his experience in “job development” through the Plattsburgh Airbase Redevelopment Corporation, and how he believes a key to job creation is the luring of foreign companies to place some portion of their manufacturing operations in the U.S. through to satisfy “buy American” provisions.

Owens took a decidedly moderate line on health care restructuring, saying he does not support a public option available to anyone–the crux of the restructuring put forward by President Obama. He said some health plans in Congress not longer include the idea of a public option. This stance is gaining some traction in the Senate.

“It changes every day, the various iterations,” Owens told me. “The bill that I would vote for would have a couple of elements to it. It would cover the uninsured, it would eliminate the ability to exclude for a pre-existing condition, and also that focuses on cost-reduction.”

If the last special election in upstate New York was largely about the federal stimulus package, this one takes place in the shadow of the healthcare debate. While Representative Scott Murphy, a Democratic venture capitalist, squeaked to victory over Republican Assemblyman Jim Tedisco largely by wrapping himself in the cloak of a popular Obama, Owens is not looking to do the same. Obama’s poll numbers, of course, have since fallen and Owens did not mention his name once.

Of the final three prospective Democratic candidates–a dozen were interviewed at the Minnowbrook Conference Center–Owens is the only one who does not support a public option.

http://www.observer.com/4850/meet-bill-owens-dccc-approved-non-democrat-house

So are the dems running a DINO, an Independent, or what? One thing I know….the big money’s behind Owens. I thought that’s what we all wanted to get away from.

What the heck! It’s NY. I’m all the way down here in Georgia.

Jay

October 28th, 2009
4:14 pm

Byll, if I had to hold off posting until you “closed the deal,” I’d be forced to shut this blog down permanently.

Does the name “Sisyphus” mean anything to you?

Or maybe that should be “Sysyphys”?

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
4:17 pm

Not to change the subject, because Newt and Chuck are so cool, but never overwork your secretary because they can cost you dearly.

Price to PepsiCo for Not Being in Court: $1.26 Billion

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Price-to-PepsiCo-for-Not-law-3214509113.html?x=0&.v=1

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
4:17 pm

IC Atlanta

And we are about to get Cap and Trade so that the little improvement our economy makes will have it’s legs cut off by a system that will punish any industry that uses too much energy. So much for any manufacturing.

Obama can’t take over the country with a good economy. He needs these hard times. So don’t expect him to try and fix it.

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
4:21 pm

Meanwhile, back in the statistical world of polls:

Put simply, the GOP’s brand is still a mess. According to the poll, just 25% have a positive opinion of the party (compared with 42% for the Dem Party), which ties the GOP’s low-water mark in the survey and which is a worse score than it ever had during the Bush presidency.

And some bad news for the Palinistas:

More than seven in 10 Americans think Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president, according to a new national poll. Seventy-one percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Wednesday morning believe the former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee is not qualified to be president, with 29 percent saying she does have the credentials to serve in the White House.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
4:21 pm

That Jay, he’s just so sylly at times.

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
4:23 pm

Angry Black Man

WTF? 1.26 million because two men had the idea to bottle water in 1981?

My kid once took our home wireless phone to school with him. So do we start working on a case against the cell phone companies?

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
4:27 pm

NIF

$1.26 Billion. Seems like the secretary who received the legal paperwork sat it aside while she was preparing for a board meeting. It lay on her desk for a while and never made it to the right people in time. PepsiCo said they found out about the lawsuit a few days after the judgement was passed down.

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
4:29 pm

ABM

It will just cost a lot more for the appeals.

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
4:31 pm

Kamchak

Try to stay away from posting data from sites like firedoglake. People will start to think that you actually read that garbage.

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
4:35 pm

NIF

Not sure if the judgement will be overturned on appeal. They’re trying to get the judgement thrown out because they say they didn’t know about it in time. The article states that attorneys for PepsiCo made hearings in June and July or sometime during the spring. Somebody knew what was going on, but didn’t bother to let everyone in on it. If their argument is simply that they didn’t know, how can they explain the hearings that their attorneys made?

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
4:36 pm

Jay

I’m shocked that you posted an interview that was aired on the Network that is on Obama’s enemy list. Man, are you in trouble.

You need to only watch the networks that “go along” with Obama.

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
4:36 pm

Try to stay away from posting data from sites like firedoglake.

Are you laboring under the misapprehension that I work for you?

N.J.

October 28th, 2009
4:36 pm

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Cap and trade is a perfect idea and it actually will work because it actually has in other arenas at state levels.

The Hudson River used to be one of the filthiest waterways in the country, and the method of taxing pollution over certain levels and allowing other companies to purchase the pollution credits that companies which under polluted had from staying well below those levels resulted in a much cleaner and commercially viable river. Businesses found very innovative and relatively inexpensive methods of LOWERING their pollution without completely eliminating it. Very cleverly, they ended up being more profitable and productive AFTER the taxation and cap and trade went into effect than they were before hand.

The stimulus to the economy would be mind boggling. An estimated 2.5 trillion a year in wind turbine production alone is sitting there, and roughly another 1.5 trillion in various types of solar collectors is as well. This leaves out all other forms of non carbon alternatives.

Cap and trade has been in place in MANY states that have had air pollution problems for quite some time:

Wednesday, October 14, 2009
Cap and Trade Program Lowers Smog Levels in Eastern U.S.

EPA released a report showing that more than 103 million Americans breathe cleaner air thanks to a cap and trade program that reduces smog-forming emission of Nitrogen Oxides (NOx). The 2008 NOx Budget Trading Program Annual Report, covering 20 eastern states and the District of Columbia, shows the summertime NOx emissions from power plants and large industrial sources were down by 62 percent compared to year 2000 levels and 75 percent lower than in 1990.

Highlights of the report show that:

The reduction of NOx has helped reduce smog levels by 10 to 14 percent in the NBP region – largely in the eastern parts of the country;

There is a strong association between areas with the greatest reductions in NOx emissions and downwind sites that show the greatest improvements in smog; and

The program contributed to improvements in air quality in 97 percent of nonattainment areas in the east, with 85 percent of these areas now below the smog standard.

http://cfeceny.blogspot.com/2009/10/cap-and-trade-program-lowers-smog.html

Conservatives have been blathering at the national level about the harm that Cap and Trade will cause, when in fact Cap and Trade is not a new idea, it is not an untried idea, and where it has been tried it has worked and not only has it worked, it has worked well and stimulated the economies where it has been put in place.

Relying on old technologies has never been a good way to create NEW and INNOVATIVE industries.
Creating the need and incentives to develop new industries does.

The automobile replaced the horse and buggy, simply because the horse and buggy was really incapable of getting people from the suburbs to the urban centers where they worked. The longer the distance workers had to travel to get to work, the more of a need to create a new modality of transportation.

Of course, the horse and buggy makers howled like crazy in keeping with the FDR quote:

“It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach”

It is almost always the wealthiest people who have a vested interest in horse and buggies who screech doom at the advent of the age of automobiles.

mike

October 28th, 2009
4:37 pm

Newt is overreacting. The Dems did exactly the same thing to Lieberman and they survived.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 28th, 2009
4:38 pm

Well, it’s just a shame Bookman had to go and change the blog right when Wyld Byll was trying to talk @@ into a picnic and looking at some pictures. I’ve seen Bookman’s picture, and I agree it’s hard to get any romance in with somebody like him around.

Anyhow, I think old Newt is wrong about that NY race. We can’t have somebody that’s for abortion and gay marriage running as a Republican. See, we’re all for keeping guvmint out of our life and bedroom. But that don’t mean we’re against taking a little peek into the bedroom to make sure a man is sleeping with a woman and not another man and making sure women have all the babys they get. A man that goes to all the trouble to get a woman in the Fambly Way has a right to see something come of it.

Have a good night everybody.

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
4:39 pm

I’m out. Time to pick the ABD up from daycare. See you all later.

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
4:40 pm

ABM

I just don’t get the verdict. Bottling water is an idea? I’m pretty sure that Java Man carried water is some sort of pouch.

Soda makers have to be freaking out, considering how popular bottled water is. And how about Dasani being purchased by Coke?

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
4:43 pm

Kamchak

Oh no. You wouldn’t work for me.

Just some friendly advice from someone that thought that you didn’t want to look like yet another mindless sheep that will believe whatever they read, no matter where they read it.

Sorry. I guess I was wrong.

@@

October 28th, 2009
4:44 pm

Now, jay, Byll and I don’t need no stable pony coming between us. Who knows….one day Byll and I may ride off into the sunset together.

The Sisyphus I know is depicted in a full canvas by Titian. He’s wearing a white loincloth and an earth-toned sash about his waist. It’s not a rock he’s rolling uphill. He’s struggling upon its weight on his shoulders — much like Atlas.

Don’t be a rock, jay.

““““““““““““““““““

Byll, there appears to be a lot of Peppy in your bloodline.

My cajun neighbor uses that term as a euphemism. Don’t be askin’ me what it represents. I won’t be tellin’ ‘ya. You’re very creative on your own.

(IW&SH)

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
4:46 pm

Sorry. I guess I was wrong.

I’ll try to contain my shock and awe.

mike

October 28th, 2009
4:46 pm

Redneck Convert –

Do you rely on ignorant stereotypes when you consider all types of people, or is it your utter intolerance for other views that leads you to focus your ignorant stereotypes on conservatives?

Just curious about how far your mindless and ignorant bigotry extends.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
4:51 pm

Political Insider- Urinal
Newt Gingrich on Twitter: ‘Latina woman racist should…withdraw’

12:42 pm May 27, 2009, by Jim Galloway

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
4:56 pm

When did Gingrich turn holy on us?

By Jay Bookman | Thursday, December 4, 2008, 03:35 PM- Urinal

Perhaps, though, people like Gingrich can’t imagine any other way. And so, with the defeat of Republican moderates rendering the rump GOP more right-wing than ever, he apparently sees a path to power in challenging Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee for leadership of the Elmer Gantry wing of his beaten party. Maybe he’s clueless about the future of Republicanism, but if he’s right about it, it’s hard to see what kind of future Republicanism has.”

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
4:56 pm

NJ

**The stimulus to the economy would be mind boggling. An estimated 2.5 trillion a year in wind turbine production alone is sitting there, and roughly another 1.5 trillion in various types of solar collectors is as well. This leaves out all other forms of non carbon alternatives.**

Where do these people get these numbers? Trillions? All the car companies combined have never made trillions.

And the problem with Solar is simple. The sun goes down every day. Wind? It doesn’t blow all the time. And then there are the areas of countryside that would be needed to set up wind farms big enough to power large cities.

PLEASE start reading something other than what you are reading. If wind or Solar worked so well, why aren’t we using it? Where would you set the thousands and thousands of acres of land needed to hold all the wind turbines that would power a city like Atlanta?

Nuclear is the only answer and we actually built a huge reservoir to house the waste until Obama shut it down. Carter built it. Obama shut it down.

jconservative

October 28th, 2009
4:57 pm

Gingrich is correct.

The same group of Republicans who want to overturn the NY selection of a candidate did the same in the Republican primary in Rhode Island. The result was Republican Chaffee losing the general election to liberal Democrat Whitehouse. That’s why the Democrats have 60 senators in their caucus in the Senate. Chaffee wasn’t “conservative” on their issues & now you have Whitehouse in office who isn’t even on the same page as Chaffee.

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
4:58 pm

KAmchak

I actually come here to see what liberals really think. Shock is not the word. Disgusted is the word.

@@

October 28th, 2009
5:02 pm

Obama, above it all in 3-D glasses!!?!!

How goofy does he look?

Pretty dang goofy from my 20/20.

Jay

October 28th, 2009
5:04 pm

Reporter, the quote you cite wasn’t mine. It came from Michelle Goldberg of the New Republic, as I made clear when I cited it originally.

I went on to suggest I disagreed with Goldberg, writing:

Personally, I don’t think Gingrich harbors serious thought of major political office any longer, and for good reason. Even among his own party, he has too much baggage. In a recent poll, 48 percent of Republicans told Gallup they would NOT like to see Gingrich run for president.

Instead, Gingrich is carving himself a nice, profitable niche in the conservative market, hoping to build a base that will keep buying his books and paying his speaking fees. It’s all about the marketing.”

I stand by that analysis.

DoggoneGA

October 28th, 2009
5:04 pm

“Nuclear is the only answer ”

Actually, no it isn’t. I still think there’s a LOT of promise in the “air power” developed by that French inventor. I’ll be interested to see if it can be worked into larger and larger slots. It’s not going to be the total answer by itself, I don’t think, but it has a great deal of promise as an adjunct to solar and wind power. The air is always there, after all.

DagnerMouse

October 28th, 2009
5:06 pm

@JimmyCarter

What case? You made a statement that sounded like a question but couldn’t have been, as questions end with, y’know, question marks, and not periods. Followed by a statement about resting your case.

Free advice: stop typing when the visuals kick in, ‘kay?

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
5:09 pm

I actually come here to see what liberals really think.

And you continue to labor under misapprehensions. The imperative voice that you use assumes that you think I am under your control. Why you come here is your business, not mine.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
5:12 pm

I’m sure Newt and others of his ilk will always find those willing to purchase his bumper sticker mentality. After all, it is so much easier than actually thinking for oneself.

Road Scholar

October 28th, 2009
5:12 pm

If Liz/Palin in 2012, will Dick be Czar of all wars?

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
5:15 pm

Kamchak

**The imperative voice that you use assumes that you think I am under your control**

No. You are not under my control. I understand that you are under the control of the government. You really seem scared. I wouldn’t want control of you. You don’t need to be afraid.

Dusty

October 28th, 2009
5:15 pm

This place is turning into Saturday Night Live. But I don’t even get half the jokes!!

Bookman did give me a scare. He said something about one event or another would make Nancy Pelosi Speaker for LIFE. Now that is bringing us an early Halloween fright..

As to Gingrich, who cares? Nobody I know ever mentions him. Jay Bookman surely does like him. So there goes the reputation of Gingrich. The kiss of death so to speak. The only thing worse would be for Tucker to talk him “up” in her column. Those two would scare ….Chuck Norris?? ( I might as well join the crowd!!)

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
5:17 pm

Taxpayer

**I’m sure Newt and others of his ilk will always find those willing to purchase his bumper sticker mentality. After all, it is so much easier than actually thinking for oneself.**

I’ve never seen a Newt Bumper sticker, but boy have I seen the liberal bumper stickers. Cars with the entire rear covered with bumperstickers. You’ve seen them, haven’t you. You probably have a few yourself.

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
5:18 pm

I wouldn’t want control of you.

And there was much rejoicing.

Dusty

October 28th, 2009
5:21 pm

Thank you, Bookman, I skip several blogs and then make one comment and it is moderated. Inspirational, I tell you. Inspirational!!

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
5:24 pm

Well, NIF, you should give Newt a call and get your own personalized Drill Here / Drill Now sticker. I’m sure that he’ll try his best to be accomodative for a fellow family-valued conservative right winger, for $19.95 plus S&H.

mike

October 28th, 2009
5:24 pm

nothing is free –

“I’ve never seen a Newt Bumper sticker, but boy have I seen the liberal bumper stickers.”

My favorite is the “Dissent is Patriotic” bumper sticker so popular with liberals during the Bush years. Somehow that slogan got turned into “Dissent is Racism” as soon as dissent become undesirable.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
5:25 pm

There’s just something about Dusty that warrants moderation.

@@

October 28th, 2009
5:26 pm

Laying aside the fact that Obama’s original deadline for Iran was September…mid…late?

Iran has also ignored the Oct. 23rd deadline. They’re now drafting up a proposal of their own.

For my STRATFOR lovers: Iran has already made clear that it is unsatisfied by the plan to ship the bulk of its LEU out of the country for further enrichment. An Iranian state television report from Oct. 26 caveated that Iran would be demanding significant amendments to the proposal.

I guess Obama will be setting another deadline? He’s already knee-deep in deadlines and sinking fast.

Words….just words. As empty as the space between his ears.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
5:29 pm

I chose to post the very end of the Goldberg excerpt and highlighted the pertinent last sentence, thinking that you were trying to make a point by ending the quote where you did.

Maybe your mouse scrolled farther than you thought?

It’s a minor point anyway, after all this blog is titled Yikes! Newt Gingrich making sense!?!?

Dusty

October 28th, 2009
5:30 pm

Hello…hello… Anybody out there?? knock..knock..

My comment on my missing comment is missing!!!

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
5:32 pm

I’ve never seen a Newt Bumper sticker….

Newt gingrich designs available on 4,060 products

Dusty

October 28th, 2009
5:33 pm

Thank you, Bookman, for UNmoderating my posts. Now if you will just MODERATE Taxpayer!!!

md

October 28th, 2009
5:34 pm

“The final product in the House, reflecting many of President Barack Obama’s priorities, includes new requirements for employers to offer insurance to their workers or face penalties, fines on Americans who don’t purchase coverage and subsidies to help lower-income people do so.”

Is insurance reform needed – absolutely. Is flushing the country down the toilet needed to do it – absolutely not.

We are going to fine Americans that don’t want it and to add insult to injury, we are going to tax them to pay for folks that “can’t” afford it. Wonder how many of those that can’t afford it are of the ilk that buy their alcohol and tobacco products with “their” money after using food stamps on everything else.

@@

October 28th, 2009
5:34 pm

I resisted the urge earlier but I can’t any longer.

Somehow that slogan got turned into “Dissent is Racism” as soon as dissent become undesirable.

Taxpayer, like so many liberals do NEED their racist boogeypersons. I’ve never quite understood the inherent need.

Heck! If I thought less of Obama due to his race, I’d refrain from saying “the space between his ears was empty.”

I’d tiptoe around the obvious in hopes of sounding politically correct? It would be the sensitive way of doing things.

Feeeeee…….lings.

Nothing more than feeeee…..lings.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
5:37 pm

The Republicans could run Eliot Spitzer in 2012 and beat Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm, and judging from their original choice in NY-23, they probably will.

Pogo

October 28th, 2009
5:37 pm

The bigger question is for you Jay; since the Obama administration, (which pretty much controls your blog here so therefore I will give them credit for being your “content master”) thinks FOX is not a “real” news organization, why are you borrowing from one of their segments to create a topic? Do you make a habit of using irrelavent sources? These little wedge builders you throw in are kind of embarrassing. Your motive is soooo transparent. But, I guess it feeds the 20 or so members of your “base” here who are more than willing to wile away their lives on something that won’t help them or this country one little bit. It will however keep you in a job which is what is really important, isn’t it Jay?

FOX dominates in the USA. Without it we would basically have government TV. I don’t really blame you for using it considering that it is the only source out there that will still give us at least some truth. Yes, it may be self serving but at least it questions the status quo which is more than all of the other news organizations are willing to do.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
5:37 pm

Who hasn’t heard the bullcrap that defines Newt and his ilk. Newt is an absolute idiot. Yet, he always seems to find bigger idiots out there.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
5:41 pm

@@

October 28th, 2009
5:34 pm

You need a comma between “liberals” and “do”. By the way, don’t fight the urge. The call of the Wyld awaits.

@@

October 28th, 2009
5:45 pm

Taxpayer:

I’ve quit worrying about punctuation.

I’m just not that into it anymore.

You obviously got my message. That’s all that matters.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
5:46 pm

Repubos doin’ what they always do–creating chaos that will cause their candidate in the NY 23 to lose.

md

October 28th, 2009
5:47 pm

“Instead, Gingrich is carving himself a nice, profitable niche in the conservative market, hoping to build a base that will keep buying his books and paying his speaking fees. It’s all about the marketing”

Might be time for the AJC to start reading his books, if it is all about the marketing. Catering to the left doesn’t seem to be doing much for you.

Dusty

October 28th, 2009
5:47 pm

Hey, Bookman, what is wrong with your moderator? Taxpayer used BULLCRAP.,.ILK..,..IDIOT in the short span of three sentences. Yet he marches only continually and incessantly without the slightest regret from you.

Well, nobody ever said you were open minded.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
5:48 pm

Quin ne Peee akkk has Corzine moppin’ up criminal Christie by 5 points now.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
5:51 pm

Teabaggers losing elections for Repubozos comin’ up. NY23 is the Beta.

@@

October 28th, 2009
5:53 pm

Taxpayer:

So let me ask….why do YOU, in particular, need to label people as racists? I really am curious.

I’ve been out in public when a person of color displayed an obvious dislike for me. I never think of them as racists. I might wonder what it was about me that they didn’t like…but racists?

Nahhh. Most of the time I just figure they got up on the wrong side of the bed. I don’t carry the incident around with me to ruin the rest of my day.

Nope! Not me….don’t live my life like that.

You?

N.J.

October 28th, 2009
6:00 pm

Fox barely dominates in the United States. What they basically do is what happens in Great Britain, where there is almost no “objective” journalism. Every British Newspaper is linked to a political party or to a political movement. When Rupert Murdoch created Fox News, the objectivity of the media in the U.S., the only thing that differentiated American press from the other media of the world, died.

Conservatives have to assert that any media that does not take a political stance, most particular THEIR political stance, is “owned by the government”

That is a bit of distraction which has not truth whatsoever.

It is Fox News, that rather more resembles the media wing of the Nazi Party before its rise to power, the Volkischer Beobachter. This rag used to do what Fox News does today. It runs totally minor events, such as occurred with the ACORN incidents. And it runs them 400, 500 times in a weekly news cycle,. and then assails the mainstream media for being involved in covering up a massive scandal, when in fact, none of the ACORN stories were news worthy at all.

Running the story about an individual who was an ACORN volunteer, and then asserting that actions in the private area of his own life were somehow related to ACORN, was no news story at all, though Republicans and Fox News drones will deny it.

However if a Liberal news show insinuated that Mark Foley’s homosexual activities were condoned and in fact the Republican party were somehow involved in procuring boys for him, this would be the liberal version of Fox News.

There was absolutely NOTHING to the ACORN crap that Fox was running, except as if reflected on individuals who happened to be working for or volunteering for ACORN.

Just as the Republican party was not pimping for Mark Foley. Therein lies the difference.

DoggoneGA

October 28th, 2009
6:01 pm

“I never think of them as racists”

Here’s a clue: WHENever, WHOever says “racist” – think BIGOT. Racist is WAY over used, and WAY incorrectly used.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
6:02 pm

I’ve quit worrying about punctuation.

I’m just not that into it anymore.

If that means that you are no longer “teaching”, then I can understand your new attitude.

You obviously got my message. That’s all that matters.

Indeed. You Wyld thang.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
6:04 pm

It’s time for my hike. I’ll check back in later. Meanwhile, @@, where did you see me initiate claims of racism? Just post link and I’ll check it later. Perhaps my memory is failing me.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:11 pm

Taxpayer…
“There’s just something about Dusty that warrants moderation.”

Sorta like book burning, eh? :-)

md

October 28th, 2009
6:12 pm

Gotta love NJ, lost in his own world again.

Sorry NJ, but I know plenty of folks concerned with Acorn. Might have something to do with voter registration fraud, embezzlement, illegal tax evasion, etc, etc.

Maybe you missed your calling. Try packaging some of that stuff you use to others and you just may make a fortune. But in your socialist utopia, you have to give it to everybody else.

N.J.

October 28th, 2009
6:13 pm

The latest attempts by Fox News with regard to the Kevin Jennings story is another such event

For several days now conservatives in the media have been on a witch-hunt for Kevin Jennings, the U.S. Department of Education’s director of the Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools. Led by Fox News, the right-wing media have claimed that 21 years ago, when Jennings was a 24-year-old teacher at Concord Academy in Massachusetts, he “cover[ed] up statutory rape” by not reporting to authorities a conversation he had with a student who told him about being involved with an “older man.”

They have attacked Jennings with homophobic, anti-gay rhetoric, falsely accused him of covering up or encouraging “statutory rape” and asked for his resignation or firing.

Of course on closer investigation (the news media getting a copy of the students drivers license) showed that Fox News was lying about the age of the student in question. The fact that he had the drivers license alone would have been enough to kill the Fox Story. The drivers license is not given to people below the age of statutory consent.

This is typical of Fox.
So far they have reported that ACORN started SEIU in Chicago.

That Obama worked for ACORN.

Fox news will simply run lies over and over and over again and then assert that the mainstream media is covering it up. They usually use a Rupert Murdoch Newspaper in Great Britain as the source that broke the story. Because libel laws are almost non existent in England, a paper can simply lie for political or the owners personal agenda, and there are rarely legal consequences.

This has been the Fox News method for the last two or three election cycles. In 2004 a British paper created the Alexandra Pollier story as an attack against John Kerry, Matt Drudge and then Fox News picked it up, and the entire story was simply made up out of whole cloth by Murdoch’s British holdings. Not a single foreign paper that was not owned by Murdoch covered the story.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
6:15 pm

President Obama and his fellow ultraliberal Democrats now in complete control in Washington are choosing decline for America on domestic policy and the economy as well. The recession has dragged on into its 23rd month now under the leadership of Obamanomics, and its wooden, ideological devotion to old-fashioned, long discredited, Keynesian doctrine. The longest previous recession since World War II, 65 years ago, was 16 months, with the average at 10 months. Another 3 million jobs have been lost since President Obama took office, with unemployment now at almost 10%.-AmSpec

Liberals have a serious conundrum facing them and I can see that it is wracking their nerves, i.e. bookman’s rants about an election 900 miles from Atlanta; do you continue to destroy America and lose all of your political power the very next chance the electoral gets, or do you save the US economy and have to deal with all that superpower talk that they hate so damn much?

Gonna be interesting to see which form of suicide they choose.

Jefferson

October 28th, 2009
6:20 pm

Newt is a Yankee.

md

October 28th, 2009
6:21 pm

“Gonna be interesting to see which form of suicide they choose.”

With the deficits and spending on their current tracks, looks more like mass murder.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:22 pm

Doggone–
How much I agree with you on the term racist…folks don’t even know what the word means…the minute we classify a person by race for whatever reason, positive or negative, we are “racist.”

BTW–Have you Fox hounds been following Shep’s latest? Methinks Jay may be a confrere of his, this Gingrich thread being an example…

Dusty–
Hey, girl, do you save which are moderated? Some truly intriguing patterns do begin to emerge…jus’ sayin’…and pay no mind to Taxpayer,,,he wants to burn books…

Dusty

October 28th, 2009
6:22 pm

Hi josef!
You have come just in time. I was about to lose my sweet, kind, and noble inclinations.

.Now I will remember my manners in honor of all Southern survivors..Yes! Or maybe not. grrrrrrrr..xxx rrrrr.!!…now…back in control!!….

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:23 pm

Jefferson–
“Newt’s a Yankee…”
Enough to keep me from voting for him, that and he belongs to the party of Diocletian of the Potomac…

Dave R.

October 28th, 2009
6:25 pm

What Newtie (and others) don’t realize is that adding one lousy seat to a caucus doesn’t mean a darned thing if that person ends up voting the wrong way once they get in. Sure, having the majority gets you a way to rig the committees and set what bills get to the floor, but it doesn’t mean a thing if the person elected ends up voting against them.

I think this move in NY sends a wonderful message to the Republican party. Stop sending appeasers to Washington, or we’ll make sure you don’t send anyone to Washington. Maybe the 2×4 to the head will finally get them to change their ways to the party they were supposed to be. With the country solidly conservative (according to polls), maybe the Republicans should send up a few more, rather than trying to find more moderates.

And the foolishness of the DNCC to say that this race is a referendum on Hope & Change’s presidency is a laugh riot. The Dem may actually win this race, but with far less than 50%, maybe even as low as 40%. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the direction of the party when possibly 60% disagree with you.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:26 pm

Dusty–
Trying to keep my Southern manners on today, let ‘em go yesterday…! :-)

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
6:27 pm

The country will never see the net GDP per person experienced in 2000 if policies such as Health Care Reform and Cap and Trade are enacted, taxes raised dramatically and nearly trillion dollar annual deficits are experienced for the next ten years. For the first time in our history future generations will be worse off than present ones. The Bush presidency could mark the peak of economic growth and prosperity in the 21st century.-American Thinker

Did I not tell you this? That we would long for the Bush economy?

Dusty

October 28th, 2009
6:29 pm

josef,

Today I posted one that was moderated. I put in a post to ask about it. IT was moderated. By the time I tried the third time, my other two were released. Seems like everything I post has to be checked, examined, digested and then released..

Ours is not to question why, ours is but to post and try!!

DoggoneGA

October 28th, 2009
6:31 pm

“That we would long ”

What’choo mean “we” paleface?

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:33 pm

Dusty–

On the other hand, getting around the moderator does hone one’s skills in circumlocution…

@@

October 28th, 2009
6:33 pm

BIGOT DoggoneIt?

and that means the someone disliked me because………..?

Taxpayer:

As a teacher, I feel fortunate if I can get my kids/students (they’re special) to write words. Proper punctuation is the least of their worries. Besides…I work with 6 and under, which when delays are prevalent puts them at around 18 mos? 2 years old?

I think your speculation of racism started with a Jimmy Carter? You might not have said it outright but you sure were doin’ a lot of implying or implicating…as the case may be.

Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
1:39 pm

No, I’m not wrong about you, Jimmy. You clearly have underlying issues and your use of the “racism” card just helped to bring it to the forefront.

Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
2:31 pm

Doggone,

Poor ox. Probably wishes it was a bovine. Which reminds me, I was just testing the waters with Jimmy. I think he’s just one of the right wing nut regulars posting under a different name. Then again, those right wing nuts all look alike to me. No individuality. No distinquishing features. No. Nothing.

Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
2:40 pm

Jimmy, what was you last moniker. Gandalf?

Now I do remember brushing by a couple of Gandalf’s posts followed by liberals labeling his/her as a racist. Could it be you’re a wee bit paranoid?

Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
3:33 pm

NIF! Really! Plantation. THat is just so, so, so, what’s the word I’m looking for, so, Republican. You and “Jimmy” need to get together and work on that.

I think I dropped the one where you claimed right-wing nutjobs all looked alike…no distinguishing characteristics of note.

Subtle maybe, but you get the point…I’m sure.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:34 pm

Doggone

“What’choo mean “we” paleface?”

Get that one a lot in this house! Unmentionable is “racist!” :-)

AmVet

October 28th, 2009
6:36 pm

As soon as I read JB’s topic, I knew Duhng would throw a rod.

But how could I know he would be the first poster too?

LOL funny.

Now Newt the Nut is an advocate of the GOP Big Tent???

Like most of the idiotic Republiconned slogans it never existed.

Unless on considers garnering winning only one demographic category – whites over 60 – to be a BIG tent…

Excluding the category of crazy people/evangelicals…

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:36 pm

@@

Taxpayer and his kind haven’t the vaguest notion of what goes into the work you do. Besides he wants to burn books…

Dusty

October 28th, 2009
6:37 pm

josef,
]
Worry not about yesteday. You only posted honest opinions.

Your thoughts are most enjoyable. If we don’t agree sometimes, we are HONEST. I love that trait..

See you later. Dinner time has sneaked up on me AGAIN. I am now getting the “sad eye” of hunger from the starved and neglected!!! Yes!!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
6:39 pm

Welp, time to sell all the stocks again, I see-

Dow 9,762.69 Down 119.48 (1.21%)

So much for that “recovery.”

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:40 pm

Ah! Plantation. The latest lexical entry on the bonfire of the bannities…

Johnny DangerDawg

October 28th, 2009
6:43 pm

Actually, Jay, this is not unusual for Newt. I don’t agree with his positions on some issues, but Newt has always been a good strategist. Actually, he’s one of the best strategists the Republicans have ever had, the man responsible for getting the Republicans back in control of the House in the 1990s.

DoggoneGA

October 28th, 2009
6:44 pm

“BIGOT DoggoneIt?”

Yes, bigot. “racist” is lately being VASTLY overused when the correct term should be, as you repeated, BIGOT. Here endeth the lesson for today…not that I expect it to stick, but I tried.

AmVet

October 28th, 2009
6:48 pm

“Newt’s a Yankee…”

So was George of the Bungle…

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:48 pm

As far as Newt is concerned, I’m by no means a fan of his, but he IS a study in paradox and a consumate politician. When he was promoting taking government funding from Public Television, at the same time he cut a substantial check payable to them…away from the poltical, some of his commentaries on social and cultural matters have been intellectually refined and scholarly…like I said, I don’t like him, but he’s not an uneducated individual…

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:50 pm

AmVet–
My name for Bush at the time was The Carpetbagger Prince and Choice of the Supreme Court…

@@

October 28th, 2009
6:53 pm

‘Ya know, DoggoneIt…I was doing a little research of my own. The differences are vague at best. I know my primary colors and all those that can be blended to bring about secondaries.

Character is the determining factor for me.

I pretty confident I’ve never told anyone here “I’m not a racist.” What I have said is “Call me a racist if it makes you feel better.”

Not speaking of you, specifically….just addressing those liberals who have tagged/implied/speculated on who they think me to be.

DoggoneGA

October 28th, 2009
6:54 pm

“of the Supreme Court…”

Josef…have you ever read Bugliosi’s book on that?

@@

October 28th, 2009
6:56 pm

While I may not care about punctuation, my typos irritate even me.

Put an apostrophe m where it’s needed.

IHB

DoggoneGA

October 28th, 2009
6:57 pm

“differences are vague at best”

I don’t consider them vague in the least. The operative part of the definition of “racist” is this: “involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.”

That is a FAR cry from a bigot: “a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion”

In other words, all racists are bigots…but not all bigots are racist.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
6:59 pm

“Josef…have you ever read Bugliosi’s book on that?”

Not yet. Did read “Outrage.” He’s not afraid to call it the way he sees it and I can respect that…

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
6:59 pm

Taxpayer

You can keep the bumper sticker. I’ll just donate to their PAC fund.

DoggoneGA

October 28th, 2009
7:02 pm

“Not yet”

It’s extremely interesting…I highly reccomend it.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:03 pm

@@

It never fails that if I, or anyone else, takes a swipe at someone else’s grammar, punctuation, syntax or what-have-you, that person is sure to make one of his/her own in so doing. I was taught my my Granny that doing such was “just plain tacky.”

@@

October 28th, 2009
7:03 pm

That is a FAR cry from a bigot: “a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion”

Well, DoggoneIt, the piece I was reading implied all related to race.

If you’re definition is to be accepted, then we’re all bigots. I can’t imagine coming in here to accepting of all beliefs or opinions. It’d be a waste of time in my opinion. It’d be like one big squishy (to use Andy’s term) mess.

No fun in that.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
7:04 pm

Well, @@, you’ve certainly demonstrated your ability to search through a thread for keywords yet you somehow overlooked this one, for example:

Jimmy Carter
October 28th, 2009
1:21 pm
Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
1:18 pm
Was there any “underlying racism” in your post or was I just commiting adultery in my heart again?

That’s mighty Hannity of you to present such a one-sided presentation. Notice, I avoid the use of the word “argument” to describe your effort since it is clearly colored.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:04 pm

Doggone–
If it comes with your recommendation, it’s on my list!

@@

October 28th, 2009
7:08 pm

DANGIT!!!!

Take out that freakin’ apostrophe in “you’re”….the “e” too. Put in a “be” between “to” and “accepting”.

Holey crap. Plugging the verbal turf.

IRRDHBRID

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
7:08 pm

AmVet

October 28th, 2009
7:10 pm

josef, I always found it funny how the conned bleated endlessly about experience. And how necessary it was.

So what did they do? They nominated and elected a man who was a drunk, crackhead male whore, a fraud farmer/rancher, a failure in the oil business (???), a failure as a baseball team owner and a fake pilot.

OH! You meant favorable experience?

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:11 pm

K’chak @ 7:08

OOh! I like that! :-)

DoggoneGA

October 28th, 2009
7:11 pm

“I can’t imagine coming in here to accepting of all beliefs or opinions”

Again, you’re missing the operative part of the definition: “…UTTERLY intolerant…” Sure everyone has things they don’t like, even things they don’t want to tolerate…but that alone does not make them bigots. It DOES, however, deserve to be called what it is: “intolerance”

And tolerating differences is not the same thing as accepting them, either. I’m quite tolerant of a LOT of things that I would not have in my life.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
7:12 pm

Afghanistan and Iraq explosion business booming. Time for a draft to empty those college dorms.

DoggoneGA

October 28th, 2009
7:12 pm

“If it comes with your recommendation, it’s on my list!”

That is an accolade, thank you very much! If you don’t come away from reading it ANGRY…you aren’t paying attention.

thomas

October 28th, 2009
7:12 pm

N.J.

Regardless of the age of the victim it is still an ethical violation. Anytime a teacher has sex with a student it is a violation of the teachers authority.

BTW, you may want to check on that drivers license thing. In some states the age of consent is 17, and in other states the age varies depending upon the age of the predator.

Nice to know that you think it is OK and fine that Teachers sleep with their high school students.

I hope you have a child!

N.J.

October 28th, 2009
7:12 pm

The latest blow to the fans of Ayn Rand are likely to be seen in her latest biographers work, yn Rand and the World She Made, by Anne C. Heller.

The author contends that Rand would have had no tolerance for current neo cons and libertarians, largely because of their support of an economic system and an economy that is based on people like investment bankers and stock brokers.

The single most obvious trait of all of Rands protagonists, is that they actually MADE stuff that was valuable to the society. Skyscrapers, movies, something tangible. The sort of finagling that occurred on Wall Street would have been repugnant to Rand. She would not have liked the idea that a bunch of bankers could get wealthy simply by manipulating paper and leaving nothing behind that people could even look at.

Yet Alan Greenspan’s entire economic philosophy was based on Rand’s “Objectivism” or at least his interpretation of it.

DoggoneGA

October 28th, 2009
7:13 pm

“Plugging the verbal turf.”

Don’t sweat it so much. As I was told years ago on my very first forum: if you aren’t good at reading tyop, you don’t belong here

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
7:14 pm

Hi, josef. And, how are you doing this fine Autumn evening?

Taxpayer and his kind haven’t the vaguest notion of what goes into the work you do. Besides he wants to burn books…

I must admit, josef, that I and other taxpayers (and there are plenty of us) likely do not have the vaguest notion since we’ve never observed @@ @ work. :smile:

By the way, I have heard that books auto-ignite at 451F but I’ve never confirmed that value personally. It likely varies over time due to the effects of global warming. Perhaps I’ll luck upon a trash heap of Rouge-tinted books some day and I’ll conduct some experiments. Maybe even publish the results for all to see. Nah. Who would want to buy that!

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:14 pm

AmVet @ 7:10

About sums up my feelings/opinions on the Village Idiot and NOW look at what we’ve got. Nero.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
7:15 pm

Da Fulton County had given 13.2% or 700/5300 Oink 1 Flu Vaccines after its 19th day of vaccination yesterday. If a mutation comes they’ll be dyin’ in tents outside of hospitals and respirator rationing is already a done deal.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
7:16 pm

City Parents Opting Out of Swine Flu Vaccine
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/nyregion/29vaccine.html?_r=1&src=twt&twt=nytimesmetro

Parents must be part of some mass sacrifice of their children.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:16 pm

Taxpayer–

Ever heard of the index librorum prohibitorum? Might want to start there and the, of course, there’s the Goebbel’s list– might want to start as he did with the works of Magnus Herschfeld…

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
7:16 pm

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
7:08 pm

I also hope it’s not a temporary condition.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
7:23 pm

Is the Georgia tradition of mass sacrificing your children from the Old or New tesstamant?

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
7:25 pm


Ever heard of the index librorum prohibitorum? Might want to start there and the, of course, there’s the Goebbel’s list– might want to start as he did with the works of Magnus Herschfeld…

Sounds like a lot for @@ to cover, especially with adolescents, josef! By the way, you ever heard of Ray Bradbury. :roll:

thomas

October 28th, 2009
7:26 pm

I am not saying what the parents should or should not do.

But this may be of help Gov. Option Done Deal.

The link at the bottom may be of help since you have sited more than once that a reason for the gov’t to provide a public option is that we rank so low in Health Care comparred to the rest of the world. Well it appears that we also kill our children at a higher rate to with vaccines.

Just thought it was awful for you to pass judgement on ANY parent’s choice as to what to provide their children. Especially when you have no future evidence to show the safety or dangers of the H1N1 vaccine. This is something you HOPE will work at best. If it is not a hope please provide me with information stating as a fact, not medical opinion or scientist concensus, an actual fact that there is NO chance for harm from getting the vaccine.

How do you get off accusing people of sacraficing their children?
I would assume it was sarcasm, but have personally witnessed you be this mean spirited and hateful and judgemental in the past.

http://deathbyvaccination.com/

getalife

October 28th, 2009
7:33 pm

Newt’s running.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
7:33 pm

@ Thomas–I’m saying what everyone from 6 months to age 125 should be doing including parents of any age. Get vaccinated now! If we have mutation it will be like a bad plague movie–and we could have another “wave” in the next four months or the spring. There is not a question about it. There are no significant side effects from the vaccine and thymerosol mercury crap is just that –a myth propogated by medically ignorant people.

@@

October 28th, 2009
7:36 pm

Taxpayer:

Maybe one has to be here all day to follow the flow.

I’m not, soooo…

It all started with a suggestion that Rob and Jimmy date each other? Then it goes onto how they’re trying to befriend, jay?

Who the hell knows? Who the hell cares?

I just asked you a question which went unanswered.

No biggie. Many of life’s do.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
7:37 pm

We will not and have not killed our children at a high rate from vaccines and you cannot site any example of that whatsoever. That’s pure ignorance.

The only thing to fear is the flu itself.

And the UK and Japan proved that when they witheld vaccination from children, that death came to about 29,000 children and it is the subject of a famous monograph in the “Disease of the Month” series (orange in color) that you can walk into Emory medical libray and read if you know how to count to “D” in the alphabet.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
7:37 pm

Correction: You can’t cite any time in history when “we’ve killed our children with vaccines.” That’s a pure lie.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:40 pm

G-DD

In relation to your question of earlier concerning the dress code for the APS–

Appropriate (but not limited to)
*business suits
*collared shirts with./without ties
*skirts
*dresses
*slacks
*sweaters, boluses, knit tops, jackets
*coordinated dress shorts ensemble with appropriate shoes and hosiery
*sweat shirts and t-shirts with school-related insignia
*appropriate shoes
*attire in accordance with the environmental requirements for specific job assignments

Unacceptable;
*shorts (except for physical education)
*jeans, including overalls of any color (acceptable only for special projects or activities related to specific job assignments
*hats/headwraps
*immodest dress such as dress which is too short (more than three inches above the knees) or tight or otherwise revealing
*oversized tee shirts and undershirts
*leggings/spandex
*tank tops
*see through clothing
*sundress without a jacket
*clothing that exposes the midriff
*extremely low cut dresses or blouses
*other attire as deemed inappropriate by the building administrator

At our site we “uniform” twice weekly for staff, white shirts/blouses/sweaters with school logo and khakis on Monday and red school logo shirts and black slacks/skirts (school colors) on Fridays…

Our students have a uniform dress code which is collared top of solid white or pastel color and khaki or black shorts/slacks/skirts, no jeans and head coverings only for religious reasons…no t-shirts and no logos/messages except the school emblem…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 28th, 2009
7:41 pm

Well, you got to write mighty dirty stuff to get every post you make checked over before it goes up. I’m sorry to learn Sister Dusty strayed so far from the Path of Righteousness. She must cuss like a sailor.

Anyhow, I’m awful glad people explained what the word bigot means. Now that I know what it means, I don’t like mike calling me that all the time one bit.

Have a good night everybody. I got to get up early and start hauling beer for all you drunks.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:43 pm

Taxpayer–
Ray Bradbury? Was reading him at age 6 –yes, that’s right–Unmentionable thinks he walks on water…He’s a good enough writer and I like a lot of what he says, but I’m not the biggest fan of his metier…

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:48 pm

In relation to @@ at work–while I’ve never observed her at work, I have observed her peers on a daily basis. Our site has an early intervention pre-K program. i stand in awe of what those women in that class do! They take a child who is all but catatonic and in a matter of months have them responding to the world and its stimuli…I’m an arrogant and conceited SOB, I will readily admit, but these teachers make me feel humble…

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:51 pm

getalife…

“Newt’s running.”

Well by all means, send him a bottle of kaopectate.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
7:52 pm

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
7:53 pm

Carafate in an off lable use is 100 x more effective than Kaopectate, Lomotil, or Imodium to stop a diarrhea while you look for the underlying cause if it continues more than a couple days.

@@

October 28th, 2009
7:54 pm

Noooo, josef!!!

At our site we “uniform” twice weekly for staff, white shirts/blouses/sweaters with school logo and khakis on Monday and red school logo shirts and black slacks/skirts (school colors) on Fridays

I fought tooth and nail to rid my school of that get-up. Made me look like a man, it did. My kids have a hard enough time self-identifying.

I/you

am/are

a

girl.

Now we’re in scrubs. Far more practical since I spend so much time at their eye level. Kept blowing the knees out of my “trousers”. I wasn’t about to start wearing those iron on patchy things.

No way jose

f.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:57 pm

@@
Actually, you were on my mind today…there’s one little one who could not walk when she came..for reasons known only to her, she has taken a shine to me…today she broke loose and ran to give me a hug…and there are still those who question why I believe in G-d!

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
7:59 pm

@@–
I all but threatened a sit in when the white shirt and khakis were adopted…gimme something that doesn’t show snot and vomit! :-)

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
8:00 pm

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
8:03 pm

I just asked you a question which went unanswered.

And, which question would that be. I think I proved that the talk of racism did not initiate with me and that all I did was respond to claims by another. Yet, you conveniently present you biased views and use that Hannitized tripe of yours to present me in a light that you find most pleasing. Spare me the grandstanding.

thomas

October 28th, 2009
8:06 pm

Gov. Option,

I NEVER said we killed our children. Please show me where I wrote that as my opinion. Whats that you can’t SHOCK!

But are you saying that a vaccine or its complications have never been responsible for an American child?

Oh yes btw you saying so is far from a source. We all here know that you think you are smarter than us all and we are so ignorant to ever challenge your assertions, but I feel I just may be smarter than you. But see how I’m different is that I am willing to say may.

Again I will ask, show me proof, not scientist consensus, or a medically accepted opinion, but an actual fact of the long term effects of H1N1 vaccine?

Any news on the long term effects, or sources for that, to prove as a fact that the H1N1 is safe and will have No long term, or short term effects? Whats that its too new of a drug to have been experimented on long term yet.

No that can’t be the almighty and wise Gov. Option Done Deal said it was. Why no of course he didn’t have a source to PROVE it, but honestly can their be any more proof than if Gov. Option has the opinion that it is so.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
8:08 pm

I believe in GODD. And deep sixin’ Leiberman.

thomas

October 28th, 2009
8:10 pm

Funny how the seasonal flu has killed WAY more people than H1N1 in the exact same time period huh.

And Flu season has yet to reach its usual seasonal peak.

So everyone, quick fast and hurry, flu shots and H1N1 shots ASAP.

RW-(the original)

October 28th, 2009
8:19 pm

josef,

You mentioned Shep Smith up ^^^ there somewhere. I’m not sure what to think of him looking so utterly clueless in his pandering. The reporter said Corzine refused to be interviewed multiple times and Shep doesn’t think it’s fair to show Christie if Corzine isn’t shown, but the only place fairness comes in is if they were both asked. If one agrees to an interview and the other refuses why should the one that agreed be punished?

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
8:25 pm

Liberals arguing about what they consider worthy of their intolerance. LOL!!!

Here’s an idea: give some new ideas a chance because your old worn out anti-American, socialist, bigoted and ignorant ideas suck.

Bob

October 28th, 2009
8:26 pm

Is this the same Newt Gingrich that is the only speaker that actually reduced spending and came close to balancing the budget ?

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
8:26 pm

Fairness would be prosecuting Christie for violation of several sections of 18 USC including his ownership of Cedent stock and hsi complete politicization of the office of NJ US Attorney.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
8:28 pm

Chrustie is a crook and will be prosecuted
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/did_christie_politicize_us_attorneys_office.php

Faux is a joke and the only purpose it serves is humor.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
8:28 pm

@@

October 28th, 2009
1:25 pm
Damn, jay!!! In YOUR OPINION Bush won in 2000?

How does that square with your liberal contributors here?

How does it square with Gore?

He kept showing the courts his big old BooBoo and then he cried and cried when smacked with the ruler. Movin’ on…

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Since I’m addressing bleeding-heart liberals, and although I was thinking in different terms regarding opt-out and state’s rights, I’ll go with liberal stupidity.

The unintended consequences of Reid’s “opt-out” nonsense. It can get harry.

One problem that has cropped up in policy areas where states have differential policies is how it affects migration patterns. Will unhealthy people migrate to states with a public option if their own jurisdiction opts out of the national system? States may be tempted to establish residency requirements for health care the way they did for welfare. This may make it more difficult for the uninsured to get coverage in those areas.

From a governance standpoint, the public option creates a worrisome precedent for other policy areas. If states don’t like congressional decisions on gun control, climate change or immigration, will state legislators demand an opt-out? If this were 1965 and there were a Medicare opt-out, it is conceivable we would have ended up with two-thirds of the country having Medicare, while one-third did not.

With any comprehensive reform, there always are unanticipated consequences. By using a pragmatic mechanism to solve the political problem of overcoming a Senate filibuster, opt-out proponents have created a precedent they later will regret. Opponents most likely will employ that idea in other policy areas when people are unhappy with legislative decisions. The marble cake will expand in scope throughout American federalism.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28791_Page2.html

If it comes to pass, here’s hoping Georgia will opt out — sending desperate liberals in search of THEIR sanctuary elsewhere.

Now, what was that you were saying about hanging out here and who cares about what and blah blah blah.

RW-(the original)

October 28th, 2009
8:29 pm

Chadly,

Sounds like Corzine missed a great opportunity to get on TV and present that case. Perhaps he isn’t a delusional as you.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
8:35 pm

Nothing Is Free

October 28th, 2009
8:37 pm

Bob

It doesn’t take a lot for a person to be the target of liberals. They just need to disagree with them. At that point, any disagreeable person becomes a laughing stock (as Newt was called today).

Please keep in mind that the people you are addressing voting for a president, in the 21st century, as well informed as we all are, after seeing who this guy exposed his children to Sunday, after Sunday, after hearing his glorious speeches about how he is going to change America, after hearing his nonsense and going for the Hope and Change crap. These people STILL voted for him, but that’s not bad enough.

After almost a year of watching our economy go down the toilet, after seeing how emboldened our enemies are, after declaring war on the most powerful news network in the country, after taking over GENERAL MOTORS and deciding the pay of executives and wanting to decide all rates of pay: after seeing all this: THEY STILL SUPPORT THE IMBECILE!!!!!!!

Please consider these facts when you read what they write. It gives their writing all the credibility that it deserves.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
8:39 pm

RW–
I haven’t seen it yet myself so can’t comment on “the look,” but in the past I’ve been impressed by his cajones…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
8:44 pm

The most important fact about the “opt out” scheme allegedly allowing states to decline government health insurance is that a state can’t “opt out” of paying for it. All 50 states will pay for it. A state legislature can only opt out of allowing its own citizens to receive the benefits of a federal program they’re paying for.

It’s like a movie theater offering a “money back guarantee” and then explaining, you don’t get your money back, but you don’t have to stay and watch the movie if you don’t like it. That’s not what most people are thinking when they hear the words “opt out.” The term more likely to come to mind is “scam.” -Miss Coulter

mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
8:48 pm

RIF

“…after seeing who his guy exposed his children to Sunday after Sunday…”

One of the (sadly) funniest things that’s transpired on this blog is how my fellow liberals jump on me like a duck on a junebug when I say that this was one of the deciding factors in not just my refusal to vote for him but a key element in my antipathy toward him. The very ones who think nothing of throwing around the evangelical-fundamentalist canard have been the ring leaders in “defending” him…then here Nero comes with his support of Prop 8 as founded in his religion, followed by inviting in the hate monger preacher Wright…Yeah, sure, and I’m supposed to go singing his hosannahs?

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
8:55 pm

And, here’s yet another post that you missed, @@, aka, Hannity Lite:

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
1:26 pm
“Jimmy”,

You need to get re-wired. Where in the world did you make a connection to racism from what I posted. I think your innermost feelings may be bleeding over onto the screen.

Do tell how it helped you formulate your colored outlook.

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
8:55 pm

josef

As much as I usually agree with you, I have to disagree with Wright. Unless someone can post every sermon he preached for 20 years and prove that he preached hatred for the US each and every sermon, I don’t buy into it. If people got flustered by the few clips from sermons that were shown, they’d really blow a gasket if they listened in on conversations at the barber shops, basketball courts, and other areas of social gathering in the “hood”. I’m not saying that Wright was a saint, but what he said is nothing compared to what’s really discussed in the black community.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
8:58 pm

how my fellow liberals jump on me like a duck on a junebug

The nerve of some people.

RW-(the original)

October 28th, 2009
8:58 pm

josef,

There’s an article back out on the home page of the AJC that describes the transaction fairly well. I saw some cutup video yesterday on some lefty blogs and I gave Shep the benefit that they had cut out the context and it was really a joke, but it appears not to be.

RW-(the original)

October 28th, 2009
9:00 pm

Well just dameett.

If it ain’t josef it’s somebody talking to josef that hits the off topic top of the page around these parts.

Of course if Jay B frees all the folks in moderation I’ll move down a few slots.

@@

October 28th, 2009
9:01 pm

Taxpayer & josef.

I left both of you a response. It’s awaiting moderation. Don’t know why…just know it is what it is.

@@

October 28th, 2009
9:03 pm

RW:

How did you know I was talking to josef? I’m being held up in moderation.

I declare you FIRST!!!

rate.

(ISH)

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
9:04 pm

The Rev. Wright card? Puhleeez. He is no better or worse than either of the Hagees, Jim Baker or the countless Southern Baptist preachers that I have had the dubious honor of having to sit and listen to.

@@

October 28th, 2009
9:07 pm

dameett?

Am I the eett, you dam?

I’m crushed.

Give me a tissue.

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
9:10 pm

RW

I like Shep Smith. He’s one of very few, from all news channels, that try to report as non-partisan as possible. I’ll usually watch Fox when I know he’s on. ABC overnight has a duo that come off as non partisan too.

@@

October 28th, 2009
9:10 pm

Taxpayer:

Why all the “colored” references?

Are you a racist or a bigot?

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
9:12 pm

ABM–
I’ll go digging. Not each and every sermon, of course, but his writings, which I have followed, being a student of sorts of liberation theology, have bristled with venom of the crudest sort, in my opinion. So I am not judging him on the basis of those few sound bites. It isn’t the conversations you mention that I take issue with…it is the very use of g*ddamn from a pulpit which set me to rage…that is breaking the commandment of “taking the L-rd’s name in vain” in my opinion and I was taught NEVER, EVER to use those words…if you were to sit in on some of mine and the Unmentionable’s conversations/discussions with our gay friends on the straight people it would not be pretty, for sure, but the idea that I would go into my classroom and use such is an anathema to all I believe in. There’s a HUGE difference, in my opinion, between negative emotions toward “them,” whoever the “them” may be, and preaching and teaching that these emotions are acceptable behaviors and beliefs.

BTW–an error on my part here, I meant to say inviting in the hate monger preacher WARREN…

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
9:14 pm

RW

“If it ain’t josef it’s somebody talking to josef that hits the off topic top of the page around these parts.”

At least it wasn’t a Chuck Norris fact. :D

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
9:15 pm

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
9:04 pm

Amen to that one.

@@

October 28th, 2009
9:10 pm

For a self-proclaimed teacher, you seem to come up light on the vocabulary. Are you trying to imply something or do you simply not know the definition of the word.

@@

October 28th, 2009
9:15 pm

ABM:

You like Sheperd? Don’t you find him a little….well….silly?

I do.

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Taxpayer:

What time does Hannity come on? I just looked on the schedule and I think he’s on now. Yet

here I am…knocking on the keyboard.

@@

October 28th, 2009
9:18 pm

Taxpayer:

Oddly enough, it’s the innuendos I’m catching.

Not much on humor, are ye?

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
9:18 pm

josef

Okies. I’m in complete agreement with you on using that word from the pulpit. I couldn’t respect him after hearing that myself. What irked me about Wright was that how people wanted to label him as unpatriotic because of those few soundclips. Even after it was revealed that he served in the Marines.

Warren, whew!!, that’s a whole different ballgame with me. I’m not impressed with any of the “mega-church” preachers. To me, they seem like they’re in it more for the money than to save souls. I could be wrong, but some of them just don’t seem genuine about the word.

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
9:19 pm

Taxpayer

And then there’s the incestuous Paulk clan.

Slimeballs.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
9:19 pm

Chuck Norris is an Angry Blackbelt Man. I never knew he was such a devout follower of the Republican faith until I heard some of his recent rants. He desperately needs someone to show him the way of the grasshopper.

RW-(the original)

October 28th, 2009
9:20 pm

ABM,

It’s pretty meaningless to the situation whether or not one likes Shep. The gist of this latest issue where lefties are saying that he apologized for Fox not being fair is that they showed an interview with Christie. When it ended he asked when they would be speaking with Corzine. After the reporter told him Corzine had refused multiple requests for an interview Shep apologized for Fox’s “unfairness” and said if he was in charge that wouldn’t happen.

That’s nuts. All the Democrat would have to do in a Shep run environment would be to refuse to answer any questions and that would preclude Smith from showing the Republican who agreed to answer the questions.

To go out of my way to be fair to Shep I’ll leave a window open that what he really meant was he would tell the viewer in advance that only one side agreed to appear, but with his track record that window is only cracked.

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
9:21 pm

@@

You should hear me when I take the uniform off if you want to see/hear silly. I just really like his non-partisan approach. There’s a few on Fox News, on the news shows and not the opinion shows, who would wear elephant ears on set if they were allowed to. That’s their perrogative, but I prefer my news without partisan seasoning. I just want the facts.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
9:22 pm

Not much on humor, are ye?

Just give me some advance notice so I’ll know to be on the lookout. Did it start before or after your earlier remarks about me and racism.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
9:25 pm

ABM

On Shep Smith–when I’m out for the news, and I mean NEWS, I tune him in…’fraid I can’t compete with Chuck Norris! :-)

@@
..no, I don’t find him silly, I think he’s “cute,” though :-)

K’chak
So, just because he’s in the same category with those you mention means and thus, no worse, means he’s acceptable? As much as I respect you, I don’t follow the logic…I have the same objection to inviting in the preacher Warren..

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
9:25 pm

RW

I don’t think Shep was appologizing because of the recent attacks on Fox, but I could be wrong. He seems like a level headed guy when I’m watching him. I’m thinking more along with what you said about forewarning that Corzine would not be interviewed. My understanding from the article I read was that he was expecting interviews from both.

RW-(the original)

October 28th, 2009
9:27 pm

ABM,

When you want car chase or runaway balloon boy coverage there’s nobody better than Shep. :-)

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
9:28 pm

Kamchak
October 28th, 2009
9:19 pm
And then there’s the incestuous Paulk clan.
Slimeballs.

That is just so wrong in so many ways.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
9:32 pm

ABM @ 9:18– as usual you said it better than I could. I will agree with you and then some on what the polarizers did with the sound bite and I found that equally offensive….and I’m with you on the mega church…it goes back to that thing of mine about cult of the personality…I get nervous anytime that many people get together and a collection plate is passing–be it clerical or secular…

@@
You’re catching innuendos? Maybe G-DD can offer some advice on the proper treatment regimine. Are they contagious? :-)

Kamchak

October 28th, 2009
9:33 pm

josef

Nope. I hold them all in contempt–it’s just that the Rev. Wright has been the one to stir up a controversy on a national level, while these other dirtbags are given a pass. Some even are allowed a seat at the table when it comes to political policy, or in the case of douchebag Warren, is allowed to speak at an auspicious occasion.

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
9:34 pm

josef

I like Smith on Fox, Amanpour on CNN, and the two that ABC has on early, early in the am. I can’t remember their names. Those four report with an unbiased style that’s lacking with today’s newscasters. I have no idea of what channel MSNBC is on DirecTV and don’t really care. Most of the news I read online comes from Reuters or AP wire. I don’t think any reporter worth anything should ever interject opinion into news unless it’s an opinion story.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
9:35 pm

RW
Now, now, they ALL covered the runaway balloon boy!

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
9:36 pm

RW

I felt so out of the loop that day. I heard people talking about that and was like, “WTF?” I try to stay away from those car chases unless they’re local.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
9:38 pm

ABM–
Amanpour is top on mine and Unmentionable’s list. Did you know that the DC intelligence gathering services have an Amanpour desk that follows her because she is the first on the spot? Now, that’s a reporter…!

K’chak–good, we’re on pretty much the same track here…

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
9:40 pm

josef

I always thought that she was a gov’t plant. There’s no way that our government would not take advantage of her knowledge and connections. If they haven’t, I’m sure it’s not from a lack of trying.

@@

October 28th, 2009
9:44 pm

Taxpayer:

You’re gonna make me go back in archives, aren’tcha? To use your term….your reputation has been colored.

Actually, ABM and I had had a fun conversation on the term “colored” earlier.

Get over it, dude. It looks like everybody stopped reading your protests. Alls ‘cept me. I’m polite that way. After this submission, I’m moving on to something more interesting.

ABM:

But the left is almost always represented. I enjoy listening to them as well. Come on, let’s be honest….the other networks are just as colored, politically speaking.

I like to see opposites go at it on FOX. There’s more passion. You don’t see that much on the other channels. I do watch CNN, PBS (Frontline). Mostly Greta though.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
9:44 pm

Amanpour is a whiney pinko and if the US intelligence agencies are following her lead, that answers alot of questions on how we’ve gotten punked so bad lately.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
9:46 pm

Yeah yeah them damn liberals is so bad. Why can’t they be like Fox–smart, prescient, articulate, and always correct. And them liberals always be targetin’ Repubozokins who is straight up Mother Theresa peoples. Look at Joe Leiberman lying his buns off to protect his beloved Ct. insurance companies.

I mean if that ain’t Mothuh Theresa whut be her?

Of course the liberals always target people who disagree with them. And the liberals jist makes it up. But us Repubozo Faux Hounds we is only tryin’ to edycate the world that the Bush days were nirvana and we gots to get back to ‘em.

And but also–time to do some brilliant Facebookin’ and tweetin’ but also too.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
9:46 pm

She might be an al Qaeda plant but, then again, so is Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
9:48 pm

Lol only a complete pith brained idiot worries about CNN We be the most stupid as a liberal media threat.

I’ve never seen dumber coverage of healthcare, and any other issue. They take twit brain to a new level. A second watching CNN is a second wasted.

Tom

October 28th, 2009
9:48 pm

Newt moved into my condo a few years back – same floor. I disciplined my usual superb personaility & decided only to STARE at him. Anywhere in the bldg. Especially the elevators. Took my dog out 4 times a day. Forever running into Newt. Just looking into his eyes. Never acknowledged him. Hard to do. He’d be coming out of his apt, see/hear me in the hallway, quickly retreat into his apt. Complained to the bldg mgr’s that he was “terrified” (sic) of me. They roared w laughter. Sooo many Newt stories to relate – so little space. He used to have a 5′3″ bodyguard w him. The guy was usually made to walk 10 feet behind Newt. We called him “Newt’s protective dwarf.” The whole trip was a constant howl. BTW: Newt’s head is huge & looks like an overinflated balloon. A great Repub!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
9:51 pm

My bodyguard is shorter than Newt’s by about 4 foot 7 inches and you won’t see him until it’s too late.

Stalk at your own peril.

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
9:51 pm

Tom

October 28th, 2009
9:48 pm

hehehe. I’m glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
9:51 pm

ABM–
“…government plant…” You and Unmentionable! He swears to it…still follows her assidously,,,

Okay, y’all, I’m going to go out on a limb here and will probably live to regret it, but, on my boy Shep…

It was long ago and faraway, but there was a time when this old f*rt was a bright and talented pretty boy, too so I sort of take umbrage at people not taking him seriously…it’s okay to be pretty and decorative and it’s okay to be sharp and intellectual, but it’s not okay to be both…there’s a jealously there that, whether or not we want to admit it, brings out the worst in us. I cannot tell the number of times back while I was getting established in my “intellectual” pursuits when, invited in to share my research and findings in person, the “look” was unmistakeable. One of the reasons I am such an admirer of Shep is that he has refused to fall victim….

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
9:52 pm

You shouldn’t have any trouble keeping it in your pants then, whiner.

@@

October 28th, 2009
9:55 pm

Well I guess I’m done. Another comment went into moderation. It was addressed to Taxpayer and ABM.

Peek-a-boo! They don’t see you.

josef:

I’m not gonna have another debate with a gay man about some guy’s looks. Been there, done that.

Sheperd Smith has frog eyes. That’s this woman’s opinion. AND

at age 12, 13 or 14, I might have thought him Prince Charming.

See ‘ya.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
9:56 pm

Tom–heh, heh! Don’t so many of the uppity have feet of clay! :-)

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
9:59 pm

@@

As much as I’d rather not, have to agree, BUT he does bring out the school boy crush in me!!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
10:00 pm

Try to keep my thing of your mind, Taxxie.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 28th, 2009
10:00 pm

Angry Black Man

October 28th, 2009
10:01 pm

gonna call it a night myself. Time is creeping closer and closer to 3am.

Later all.

Why do all cats move about silently? They witnessed what happened to the dodo birds when they woke Chuck Norris up from a nap.

RW-(the original)

October 28th, 2009
10:01 pm

ow, now, they ALL covered the runaway balloon boy!

josef,

My comment wasn’t negative toward Shep in the least about that. He is in his element when there’s a car chase and nobody gets close to him on how he covers one. On balloon boy he channeled his inner car chase reporter and blew away the competition.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
10:04 pm

RW @ 10:01
“…he channeled his inner car chase reporter and blew away the competition…”

:-)

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
10:05 pm

Yep it is sure a brilliant idea to not get vaccinated and refuse to vaccinate your kids–like most every other Georgia conservative idea.

Yee haw yee haw hee haw hee haw.

Swine flu prompts hundreds of schools to close
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/swine-flu-prompts-hundreds-176708.html

At least 351 schools were closed last week alone — affecting 126,000 students in 19 states, according to the U.S. Education Department. So far this school year, about 600 schools have temporarily shut their doors.

And the good news is the more schools that close the more dumber more faster we can get.

[...] then Jay Bookman has to go and say that Newt Gingrich is being REASONABLE? These are frightening words to type, but [...]

Taxpayer

October 28th, 2009
10:17 pm

Well, whiner, you shouldn’t be constantly bragging about it on here then.

Dusty

October 28th, 2009
10:27 pm

Hey, the world Series is going along just fine. Credit Utley with two homeruns for Philadelpia. It’s 2/0.

They just had a break and brought out several service men and women. With the flag waving, a lady in uniform sang a fine version of “God Bless America”. Everybody cheered. Great song. Great crowd. The only thing better would be watching the Braves playing in this Series.

Oh well, next year.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
10:35 pm

DUSTY–
Hey! Why is it just as you check in I’m having to check out? So, before I call it a night…what do YOU think of Shep and whiner’s little friend… :-)

Linda

October 28th, 2009
10:44 pm

This blog proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Fox viewers are the most informed people on the planet & confirms why Fox has more viewers than all the other news channels combined.

josef nix

October 28th, 2009
10:51 pm

G’night, All–it was fun…

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
10:56 pm

Ah lahks especially that most Fox viewers are so medically informed that they are shunning H1N1 vaccination in droves.

Nightline will show you what the result of that is–and it ain’t pretty.

Gov Option Done Deal!

October 28th, 2009
11:06 pm

Fox has more viewers because unfortunately this country has more uneducated people than educated people by far. The South leads the league in ignorance, but there are many other red states with predominantly ignorant people.

Like robots, they accept the horsesh_t that Fox feeds them–a lot like in “1984″.

Fox is the most insipidly stupid trainwreck on the air. Murdoch actually hates their ideology but learned a long time ago there are far more stupid people than educated people and he exploits these ignorant, inarticulate, uninformed Faux Hounds.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 29th, 2009
5:27 am

Obama signs off on defense bill- F-22 funding ends; gender assaults get hate-crime status. WASHINGTON — Trumpeting a victory against careless spending, President Barack Obama on Wednesday signed a defense bill that kills some costly weapons projects and expands war efforts. In a major civil rights change, the law also makes it a federal hate crime to assault people based on sexual orientation. -Urinal

DADT?

hahahahaahahaha, wow, a federal hate crime, ew.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

October 29th, 2009
5:46 am

Health care plans average profits of just 3.3 percent. In wireless communications, a vigorously contested market, profits are 11 percent. Does Obama think we need a government cell-phone company to compete with Verizon and AT&T?

The proponents also believe that, like Medicare, a new government plan could be run far more efficiently than private firms. Don’t make me laugh. Medicare, keep in mind, is going broke. And its alleged efficiencies are illusory or nontransferable.-Steve Chapman

Medicare fraud would be far more efficient.

Angry Black Man

October 29th, 2009
6:07 am

Whiner

How would you know Amanpour is a whiney pinko if you don’t watch CNN? I’d put her credibility as a journalist up against anybody that Fox puts behind their desk any day of the week. I bet if she were a flag waving, pin wearing conservative she would be the best thing since sliced bread, huh?

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
6:24 am

How long will it take for the Beckerheads to say something foul about the President’s trip to Dover last night?

God Bless you President Obama.

AmVet

October 29th, 2009
6:31 am

Figures that the Republitoady would feel sorry for those poor little corporations that the federal government uses to spy (Illegally? Nah!) on American citizens.

(I know, I know, if you’re not doing anything wrong…)

Fascists in Republican clothing…

TnGelding

October 29th, 2009
6:51 am

Newt has always made sense on most issues. He was out of his element as speaker and should never have accepted that position.

Pelosi for life? Please, spare us!

His private life was no concern to us. It was the hypocrisy of the party affiliation. It was the consrvatives that ran him out of town.

TnGelding

October 29th, 2009
6:53 am

“Obama Visits Returning War Dead”

By JEFF ZELENY

Published: October 29, 2009

President Obama traveled to Dover Air Force Base early Thursday morning, where he met with family members and paid his respects as the bodies of 18 Americans killed this week in Afghanistan were returned to the United States.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/us/30obama.html?_r=1&hp

TnGelding

October 29th, 2009
6:58 am

Linda

Fox leads the cable news channels but only has a small fraction of what the network news reaches.

TnGelding

October 29th, 2009
7:08 am

Fox News Channel, Obama administration talking

NEW YORK (AP) – Fox News Channel and the Obama administration are talking. The network confirmed a Politico report that Fox news executive Michael Clemente met at the White House on Wednesday with Robert Gibbs, President Barack Obama’s press secretary. There were no details given about the meeting.

Normal

October 29th, 2009
7:12 am

MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!

Normal

October 29th, 2009
7:16 am

I wish President Obama would go to Dover and meet all of the alive troops that he had just ordered home, yes I do.

Taxpayer

October 29th, 2009
7:16 am

HuffPost Editor Roy Sekoff was a guest on MSNBC’s The Ed Show tonight to discuss the latest outrage from the far right – an attempt to encourage people to battle against health care reform by burning Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in effigy, as well as holding a contest – with prizes! — to see who can create the ‘best’ “Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi burn in hell” video

This is the right wing fruit cake’s idea of making a contribution. Republicans are really showing that their desperation has no bounds.

Taxpayer

October 29th, 2009
7:20 am

Normal

October 29th, 2009
7:16 am
I wish President Obama would go to Dover and meet all of the alive troops that he had just ordered home, yes I do.

And, follow that up with an immediate cut in the DoD’s outlandish annual budget of $670 billion. Watch the war mongering right wing nuts blow a gasket if that were to happen. They’re thrilled to spend money to blow people to pieces but don’t want to spend it here to save lives.

FinnMcCool

October 29th, 2009
7:26 am

Fox news executive Michael Clemente met at the White House on Wednesday with Robert Gibbs

What was Gibbs having to spell out for the idiot Clemente?

Gibbs: “P-r-e-s-i-d-e-n-t, there’s not 3 e’s in there, Mr. Clemente”
Clemente: “But there’s a z in there somewhere isn’t there?”

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
7:27 am

Normal……me too.

Is Afghanistan just a way to outsource the War on Drugs?

Paul

October 29th, 2009
7:35 am

G’morning, Taxpayer

[[follow that up with an immediate cut in the DoD’s outlandish annual budget of $670 billion. Watch the war mongering right wing nuts blow a gasket if that were to happen.]]

Democratic majorities on the House and Senate Armed Services, Appropriations and the majorities in the House and Senate

are dominated by ‘war mongering right wing nuts?

Was that a typo? Didn’t you mean ‘war mongering LEFT wing nuts?

(For the record, I think it’s more left and right wing who like the $$$ and don’t have the principles to stand up for change.)

Hey, didja hear? It’s official! Democrats are cutting half a trillion dollars from Medicare to pay for their health care reforms!

Kinda like cutting the minimum wage to pay for a jobs bill, eh?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091028/D9BKBEKO1.html

Normal

October 29th, 2009
7:39 am

Taxpayer, exactly!
————-
Mrs. G, that is a scary thought…

Marsh

October 29th, 2009
7:39 am

For sure, Newtie is correct on this one. Man, it hurt to type that!

Jimmy62

October 29th, 2009
7:42 am

I completely disagree with Newt. And if you go by the polls, so do the people of NY 23. Hoffman will much more reliably vote with the GOP anyway. Newt’s just mad that the established GOP leadership is losing influence quickly to the Tea Party folks and their sympathizers. Fiscal sanity is non-partisan, though most of the left doesn’t seem on board with logic when it comes to spending these days.

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
7:47 am

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
7:48 am

a legitimate news organization does not:

* Source its research to “conservative blogs.”
* Purposefully present stories out of context.
* Regularly declare “Victory!” when a White House initiative fails.
* Ignore a breaking news story that embarrasses the Republican Party.
* Invite fringe conspiracy theorists to appear on news shows.
* Suggest during a news program that Democrats voted to “protect pedophiles, but not veterans.”
* Routinely accuse the president of the United States of being like Adolf Hitler.
* Describe itself as the “voice of the opposition.”
* Air more than 100 commercials promoting partisan political rallies.
* Show 22 clips of health care reform opponents who attended town hall forums, and none of health reform supporters.
* Purchase full-page newspaper ads to spread falsehoods about the news competition.
* Invade the privacy of second-grade students.
* Promote violent political rhetoric.
* Fail to fact-check a murder story before airing allegations about it.
* Allow a news anchor to suggest a Supreme Court nominee is guilty of “reverse racism.”

The story has examples of all of these unbalanced examples.

http://www.alternet.org/media/143541/30_reasons_fox_news_is_not_legit?page=4

theboogins

October 29th, 2009
7:49 am

Being “adequately conservative” is how the R’s got themselves into this mess. Being “truly conservative” is the only way out.

JB

Jimmy62

October 29th, 2009
7:51 am

The fact that the left seems to be cheering Newt on is all I need to know.

Paul

October 29th, 2009
7:54 am

Mrs. Godzilla 7:47

I never, ever thought I’d see it.

Mrs. Godzilla quotes corporate CEOs to justify cutting half a trillion from Medicare. Not the cuts Democrats propose, mind you, but cuts resulting solely in areas that would benefit their industries. So does this mean if you add the CEO cuts with the Democratic cuts they’re going to cut one trillion dollars from Medicare?

I do like how they know how much they can cut, though. “The CEOs did not specify how much each of their recommendations would save Medicare, but they said they “firmly believe” that up to 30 percent of the $2.4 trillion now spent on health care is the result of too few efforts to coordinate care and not enough attention to quality.”

They ‘firmly believe.’ Is that the same as closing your eyes and saying ‘I do believe in fairies, I do believe in fairies, I do believe in fairies”?

Background: not that many days ago it was nigh on impossible to get some here to acknowledge Democrats were planning any cuts to Medicare to fund health care reform.

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
7:55 am

Paul

Talk to the hand.

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
8:01 am

“They ‘firmly believe.’ Is that the same as closing your eyes and saying”

It reads more to me like they’re admitting they’ve been screwing the system all this time. So now it’s about to bite back, and all of a sudden they’ve “got religion”

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
8:01 am

joe matarotz

October 29th, 2009
8:04 am

Once in a while the Newt is correct. Once in a while Bookman is correct. So? It reminds me of the old adage, “Even a broken clock is right twice a day”. (Unless it’s digital. Then, it’s anybody’s guess.)

BTW, Cynthia Tucker is digital.

Finn McCool

October 29th, 2009
8:06 am

Excellent article on how we’ve become a subsidy nation:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/26/tax_subsidies/index.html

EITC, farm subsidies, etc, etc, etc.

Paul

October 29th, 2009
8:11 am

Mrs. Godzilla

Is “talk to the hand” your shorthand for saying “I guess I really should have read and thought about that link before I posted it”?

Doggone/GA

The religion of ‘more $$$$’?

Mrs. Godzilla 8:01

- post about Democrats cutting Medicare

- response about how industry CEOs say Medicare really has inefficiencies

- counter response questioning accuracy of magnitude of claims and self interest of those making claims

- new post about…. Republicans!

Lame diversion, really. Did your hand tell you to post that?

:-)

Now, back to Democrats cutting Medicare…..

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
8:13 am

“The religion of ‘more $$$$’?”

Of course, when ISN’T it about money?

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
8:16 am

Taxpayer

October 29th, 2009
8:18 am

Paul,

I should probably just follow Mrs. G’s lead and point you to the hand but… The Republicans are the war mongers. And, please, spare me any historical references. After all, I did use present tense in the preceding sentence. Furthermore, they don’t like to openly admit that wars cost money as proven by the fact that Bush hid the cost from the public. And, even worse, they don’t like to pay for them as evidenced by their pushing off their own tax hikes until 2010 even though we had to borrow money from other nations, even communist nations, in order to make up for the shortfall. Then, just to add salt to the wounds, the most vocal war mongers, the Chambliss’s and Cheney’s of the world, dodge serving their country while supporting sending other’s children off to fight in their name with poor equipment. On the other hand, perhaps you should talk to the hand, Paul.

Paul

October 29th, 2009
8:19 am

Doggone/GA

Oh, when it’s about one’s own party, driven by pure principles and the desire to help people….

Mrs. Godzilla 8:16

Glad you admitted it. Why do you think Democrats persist with the avoidance of what their leaders have done?

Taxpayer

October 29th, 2009
8:20 am

Paul,

Your voucher, in lieu of medicare, is waiting for you. Courtesy of the GOP.

Mrs. Godzilla

October 29th, 2009
8:20 am

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
8:21 am

“Oh, when it’s about one’s own party, driven by pure principles and the desire to help people”

Those are your words, not mine.

Paul

October 29th, 2009
8:22 am

Taxpayer

[[The Republicans are the war mongers. ]]

You persist with the old ‘we’re always good, they’re always bad’ mantra, don’t you? My point was they both are.

[[And, please, spare me any historical references.]]

Is that the same as “don’t confuse me with facts’?

Democrats seem to have quite a fascination with getting people to speak with their nonauditory body parts.

Paul

October 29th, 2009
8:23 am

Taxpayer

That’s what, the third time you’ve tried to divert attention from Democratic cuts by speaking of years-ago voucher proposals?

Lame-o

Paul

October 29th, 2009
8:28 am

Doggone/GA 8:21

Those were my words? Really? I posted something and they were… my words?!!?

Wow. I thought I was typing someone else’s words.

BTW – the original post was sarcasm….

Doggone/GA

October 29th, 2009
8:30 am

“BTW – the original post was sarcasm….”

BTW – if you don’t indicate it as sarcasm you get stuck with the responses of people like me who have literal minds and think you are serious. Take that as a warning.

stands for decibels

October 29th, 2009
8:31 am

Finn @ 8.06, good catch, fascinating article.

Some thought provoking teaser material follows:

according to official figures the U.S. spends about 30 percent of its GDP on government at all levels — well below the OECD average of around 36 percent and the EU average of about 39 percent. But add in the “dark matter” of tax expenditures, and federal-state-local spending goes up to around 36 percent of GDP — close to the international average among developed countries and within range of European norms.

This is something that neither liberals nor conservatives are honest about. Liberals like to invoke official spending numbers to claim that the U.S. spends far less on social welfare purposes than other, similar industrial democracies. That implies that there is room for a massive expansion of federal spending on new purposes — health, environment, education. But as Jacob Hacker has pointed out, when tax expenditures are factored in, U.S. welfare policies absorb far more of the U.S. economy already than many on the left want to admit. Though it is still short of the half of GDP taken by government in the Nordic democracies, the American public sector, when dark matter is included, is pretty close to Western European levels already.

But conservatives have no reason to gloat about the discovery of the tax-expenditure dark matter — not if they believe their own rhetoric about free markets and free enterprise. The truth is that tax expenditures warp the market and corrupt private enterprise.

I now return you to “You’re a PoopyHead” already in progress.

Paul

October 29th, 2009
8:34 am

Doggone/GA

A warning? Not advice? A warning?

A bit touchy this fine morning, are we?

Now, back to Democratic cuts to Medicare….

Taxpayer

October 29th, 2009
8:37 am

Paul,

You would be the lame one to claim that I try to divert attention by stating fact regarding the Republicans true intentions with Medicare or the fact that Republicans are indeed the war mongers. “Bomb, bomb, bomb, Anyone” might as well have been McCain and Palin’s battle cry.

Not the cuts Democrats propose, mind you, but cuts resulting solely in areas that would benefit their industries.

Now, how about providing some proof to verify your claim on this one first. Then we can proceed to some of your other lameness.

Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum

October 29th, 2009
8:45 am

Forgit the republicans and the democrats, all our scum, instead pray for a super volcano to erupt midway between Wall Street and K Street. That should solve the scum problem.

Paul

October 29th, 2009
9:04 am

Taxpayer

May we conclude the other two points before embarking upon a third?

My point was Democrats proposed cuts to Medicare. Have you ever acknowledged that? If you have, do you think they’ll materialize? I don’t. If they do not, what are the implications?

Republicans have nefarious desires for Medicare? Stipulated. Now, back to Democrats…

Second point I made was that even though Dems hold Congress and the Executive, and have passed the largest Defense appropriations bill ever – you seem to make the point it’s Republicans who have sole responsibility. I can understand the historical emotion, but current facts seem to contradict that.

TnGelding

October 29th, 2009
9:41 am

Jimmy62

October 29th, 2009
7:42 am

It’s because there is spending and then there is spending.

TnGelding

October 29th, 2009
9:43 am

Paul

October 29th, 2009
7:35 am

Do you support the direct subsidies to insurance companies so they can offer extra benefits to Medicare recipients in order to “compete?”

TnGelding

October 29th, 2009
9:48 am

Paul

October 29th, 2009
7:54 am

I acknowledged it and provided links to how and why.

TnGelding

October 29th, 2009
9:55 am

Taxpayer

October 29th, 2009
8:18 am

Bush wanted to make the tax changes (cuts?) permanent. Senate rules required the 10 year limit.

Would that be the hand that feeds you?

TnGelding

October 29th, 2009
10:02 am

Taxpayer

October 29th, 2009
8:37 am

Republicans complaining about cuts to Medicare, a program they would have abolished if they thought they could have gotten away with it?

JM

October 29th, 2009
1:06 pm

As someone who lives in the area, I agree with Newt — it’s not up to outsiders to determine who best represents us in NYS. I didn’t appreciate the viciousness of tone that was aimed at Dede and our local GOP that typically enters when Sarah Palin and the talk radio crowd decide to get involved. We never had that style of a campaign around here. Hoffman, who is clueless on local issues and won’t debate, is letting the Club for Growth speak and do for him. That’s not someone I trust to be a strong representative in Washington. And I’m also pleased to see that Mitt Romney, always the adult, has stayed out of the race and the GOP civil war. He and Newt understand its about uniting under a big tent, not excluding people or holding an ideology litmus test with a one-size only for the entire country.