Yikes! Newt Gingrich making sense!?!?
These are frightening words to type, but … Newt Gingrich and I agree with each other.
Talking to Greta van Susteren last night on Fox, the former speaker noted that Dede Scozzafava, the Republican candidate in New York’s 23rd congressional district, had been chosen by county party leaders in that district to be the GOP’s nominee in next week’s special election.
Yet Republicans from outside that district are trying to overrule that choice as ideologically unsuitable and impose their own candidate on the district.
Here’s an outtake of the discussion:
Gingrich: Well, I just find it fascinating that my many friends who claim to be against Washington having too much power, they claim to be in favor of the 10th Amendment giving states back their rights, they claim to favor local control and local authority, now they suddenly get local control and local authority in upstate New York, they don’t like the outcome.
There were four Republican meetings. In all four meetings, state Representative Dede Scozzafava came in first. In all four meetings, Mr. Hoffman, the independent, came in either last or certainly not in the top three. He doesn’t live in the district. Dede Scozzafava…
VAN SUSTEREN: He doesn’t live in the district?
GINGRICH: No, he lives outside of the district. Dede Scozzafava is endorsed by the National Rifle Association for her 2nd Amendment position, has signed the no-tax-increase pledge, voted against the Democratic governor’s big-spending budget, is against the cap-and-trade tax increase on energy, is against the Obama health plan, and will vote for John Boehner, rather than Nancy Pelosi, to be speaker.
Now, that’s adequately conservative in an upstate New York district. And on other issues, she’s about where the former Republican, McHugh, was. So I say to my many conservative friends who suddenly decided that whether they’re from Minnesota or Alaska or Texas, they know more than the upstate New York Republicans? I don’t think so. And I don’t think it’s a good precedent. And I think if this third-party candidate takes away just enough votes to elect the Democrat, then we will have strengthened Nancy Pelosi by the divisiveness. We will not have strengthened the conservative movement.
Gingrich goes on to conclude that if “we’re going to purge the party of anybody who doesn’t agree with us 100 percent — that guarantees Obama’s reelection. That guarantees Pelosi is speaker for life. I mean, I think that is a very destructive model for the Republican Party.”
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Newt Gingrich, the voice of reason in the GOP.
That too is a scary thing to type.
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RW-(the original)
October 28th, 2009
8:58 pm
josef,
There’s an article back out on the home page of the AJC that describes the transaction fairly well. I saw some cutup video yesterday on some lefty blogs and I gave Shep the benefit that they had cut out the context and it was really a joke, but it appears not to be.
RW-(the original)
October 28th, 2009
9:00 pm
Well just dameett.
If it ain’t josef it’s somebody talking to josef that hits the off topic top of the page around these parts.
Of course if Jay B frees all the folks in moderation I’ll move down a few slots.
@@
October 28th, 2009
9:01 pm
Taxpayer & josef.
I left both of you a response. It’s awaiting moderation. Don’t know why…just know it is what it is.
@@
October 28th, 2009
9:03 pm
RW:
How did you know I was talking to josef? I’m being held up in moderation.
I declare you FIRST!!!
rate.
(ISH)
Kamchak
October 28th, 2009
9:04 pm
The Rev. Wright card? Puhleeez. He is no better or worse than either of the Hagees, Jim Baker or the countless Southern Baptist preachers that I have had the dubious honor of having to sit and listen to.
@@
October 28th, 2009
9:07 pm
dameett?
Am I the eett, you dam?
I’m crushed.
Give me a tissue.
Angry Black Man
October 28th, 2009
9:10 pm
RW
I like Shep Smith. He’s one of very few, from all news channels, that try to report as non-partisan as possible. I’ll usually watch Fox when I know he’s on. ABC overnight has a duo that come off as non partisan too.
@@
October 28th, 2009
9:10 pm
Taxpayer:
Why all the “colored” references?
Are you a racist or a bigot?
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
9:12 pm
ABM–
I’ll go digging. Not each and every sermon, of course, but his writings, which I have followed, being a student of sorts of liberation theology, have bristled with venom of the crudest sort, in my opinion. So I am not judging him on the basis of those few sound bites. It isn’t the conversations you mention that I take issue with…it is the very use of g*ddamn from a pulpit which set me to rage…that is breaking the commandment of “taking the L-rd’s name in vain” in my opinion and I was taught NEVER, EVER to use those words…if you were to sit in on some of mine and the Unmentionable’s conversations/discussions with our gay friends on the straight people it would not be pretty, for sure, but the idea that I would go into my classroom and use such is an anathema to all I believe in. There’s a HUGE difference, in my opinion, between negative emotions toward “them,” whoever the “them” may be, and preaching and teaching that these emotions are acceptable behaviors and beliefs.
BTW–an error on my part here, I meant to say inviting in the hate monger preacher WARREN…
Angry Black Man
October 28th, 2009
9:14 pm
RW
“If it ain’t josef it’s somebody talking to josef that hits the off topic top of the page around these parts.”
At least it wasn’t a Chuck Norris fact.
Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
9:15 pm
Kamchak
October 28th, 2009
9:04 pm
Amen to that one.
@@
October 28th, 2009
9:10 pm
For a self-proclaimed teacher, you seem to come up light on the vocabulary. Are you trying to imply something or do you simply not know the definition of the word.
@@
October 28th, 2009
9:15 pm
ABM:
You like Sheperd? Don’t you find him a little….well….silly?
I do.
““““““““““““““““““
Taxpayer:
What time does Hannity come on? I just looked on the schedule and I think he’s on now. Yet
here I am…knocking on the keyboard.
@@
October 28th, 2009
9:18 pm
Taxpayer:
Oddly enough, it’s the innuendos I’m catching.
Not much on humor, are ye?
Angry Black Man
October 28th, 2009
9:18 pm
josef
Okies. I’m in complete agreement with you on using that word from the pulpit. I couldn’t respect him after hearing that myself. What irked me about Wright was that how people wanted to label him as unpatriotic because of those few soundclips. Even after it was revealed that he served in the Marines.
Warren, whew!!, that’s a whole different ballgame with me. I’m not impressed with any of the “mega-church” preachers. To me, they seem like they’re in it more for the money than to save souls. I could be wrong, but some of them just don’t seem genuine about the word.
Kamchak
October 28th, 2009
9:19 pm
Taxpayer
And then there’s the incestuous Paulk clan.
Slimeballs.
Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
9:19 pm
Chuck Norris is an Angry Blackbelt Man. I never knew he was such a devout follower of the Republican faith until I heard some of his recent rants. He desperately needs someone to show him the way of the grasshopper.
RW-(the original)
October 28th, 2009
9:20 pm
ABM,
It’s pretty meaningless to the situation whether or not one likes Shep. The gist of this latest issue where lefties are saying that he apologized for Fox not being fair is that they showed an interview with Christie. When it ended he asked when they would be speaking with Corzine. After the reporter told him Corzine had refused multiple requests for an interview Shep apologized for Fox’s “unfairness” and said if he was in charge that wouldn’t happen.
That’s nuts. All the Democrat would have to do in a Shep run environment would be to refuse to answer any questions and that would preclude Smith from showing the Republican who agreed to answer the questions.
To go out of my way to be fair to Shep I’ll leave a window open that what he really meant was he would tell the viewer in advance that only one side agreed to appear, but with his track record that window is only cracked.
Angry Black Man
October 28th, 2009
9:21 pm
@@
You should hear me when I take the uniform off if you want to see/hear silly. I just really like his non-partisan approach. There’s a few on Fox News, on the news shows and not the opinion shows, who would wear elephant ears on set if they were allowed to. That’s their perrogative, but I prefer my news without partisan seasoning. I just want the facts.
Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
9:22 pm
Not much on humor, are ye?
Just give me some advance notice so I’ll know to be on the lookout. Did it start before or after your earlier remarks about me and racism.
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
9:25 pm
ABM
On Shep Smith–when I’m out for the news, and I mean NEWS, I tune him in…’fraid I can’t compete with Chuck Norris!
@@
..no, I don’t find him silly, I think he’s “cute,” though
K’chak
So, just because he’s in the same category with those you mention means and thus, no worse, means he’s acceptable? As much as I respect you, I don’t follow the logic…I have the same objection to inviting in the preacher Warren..
Angry Black Man
October 28th, 2009
9:25 pm
RW
I don’t think Shep was appologizing because of the recent attacks on Fox, but I could be wrong. He seems like a level headed guy when I’m watching him. I’m thinking more along with what you said about forewarning that Corzine would not be interviewed. My understanding from the article I read was that he was expecting interviews from both.
RW-(the original)
October 28th, 2009
9:27 pm
ABM,
When you want car chase or runaway balloon boy coverage there’s nobody better than Shep.
Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
9:28 pm
Kamchak
October 28th, 2009
9:19 pm
And then there’s the incestuous Paulk clan.
Slimeballs.
That is just so wrong in so many ways.
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
9:32 pm
ABM @ 9:18– as usual you said it better than I could. I will agree with you and then some on what the polarizers did with the sound bite and I found that equally offensive….and I’m with you on the mega church…it goes back to that thing of mine about cult of the personality…I get nervous anytime that many people get together and a collection plate is passing–be it clerical or secular…
@@
You’re catching innuendos? Maybe G-DD can offer some advice on the proper treatment regimine. Are they contagious?
Kamchak
October 28th, 2009
9:33 pm
josef
Nope. I hold them all in contempt–it’s just that the Rev. Wright has been the one to stir up a controversy on a national level, while these other dirtbags are given a pass. Some even are allowed a seat at the table when it comes to political policy, or in the case of douchebag Warren, is allowed to speak at an auspicious occasion.
Angry Black Man
October 28th, 2009
9:34 pm
josef
I like Smith on Fox, Amanpour on CNN, and the two that ABC has on early, early in the am. I can’t remember their names. Those four report with an unbiased style that’s lacking with today’s newscasters. I have no idea of what channel MSNBC is on DirecTV and don’t really care. Most of the news I read online comes from Reuters or AP wire. I don’t think any reporter worth anything should ever interject opinion into news unless it’s an opinion story.
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
9:35 pm
RW
Now, now, they ALL covered the runaway balloon boy!
Angry Black Man
October 28th, 2009
9:36 pm
RW
I felt so out of the loop that day. I heard people talking about that and was like, “WTF?” I try to stay away from those car chases unless they’re local.
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
9:38 pm
ABM–
Amanpour is top on mine and Unmentionable’s list. Did you know that the DC intelligence gathering services have an Amanpour desk that follows her because she is the first on the spot? Now, that’s a reporter…!
K’chak–good, we’re on pretty much the same track here…
Angry Black Man
October 28th, 2009
9:40 pm
josef
I always thought that she was a gov’t plant. There’s no way that our government would not take advantage of her knowledge and connections. If they haven’t, I’m sure it’s not from a lack of trying.
@@
October 28th, 2009
9:44 pm
Taxpayer:
You’re gonna make me go back in archives, aren’tcha? To use your term….your reputation has been colored.
Actually, ABM and I had had a fun conversation on the term “colored” earlier.
Get over it, dude. It looks like everybody stopped reading your protests. Alls ‘cept me. I’m polite that way. After this submission, I’m moving on to something more interesting.
ABM:
But the left is almost always represented. I enjoy listening to them as well. Come on, let’s be honest….the other networks are just as colored, politically speaking.
I like to see opposites go at it on FOX. There’s more passion. You don’t see that much on the other channels. I do watch CNN, PBS (Frontline). Mostly Greta though.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 28th, 2009
9:44 pm
Amanpour is a whiney pinko and if the US intelligence agencies are following her lead, that answers alot of questions on how we’ve gotten punked so bad lately.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 28th, 2009
9:46 pm
Yeah yeah them damn liberals is so bad. Why can’t they be like Fox–smart, prescient, articulate, and always correct. And them liberals always be targetin’ Repubozokins who is straight up Mother Theresa peoples. Look at Joe Leiberman lying his buns off to protect his beloved Ct. insurance companies.
I mean if that ain’t Mothuh Theresa whut be her?
Of course the liberals always target people who disagree with them. And the liberals jist makes it up. But us Repubozo Faux Hounds we is only tryin’ to edycate the world that the Bush days were nirvana and we gots to get back to ‘em.
And but also–time to do some brilliant Facebookin’ and tweetin’ but also too.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 28th, 2009
9:46 pm
She might be an al Qaeda plant but, then again, so is Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 28th, 2009
9:48 pm
Lol only a complete pith brained idiot worries about CNN We be the most stupid as a liberal media threat.
I’ve never seen dumber coverage of healthcare, and any other issue. They take twit brain to a new level. A second watching CNN is a second wasted.
Tom
October 28th, 2009
9:48 pm
Newt moved into my condo a few years back – same floor. I disciplined my usual superb personaility & decided only to STARE at him. Anywhere in the bldg. Especially the elevators. Took my dog out 4 times a day. Forever running into Newt. Just looking into his eyes. Never acknowledged him. Hard to do. He’d be coming out of his apt, see/hear me in the hallway, quickly retreat into his apt. Complained to the bldg mgr’s that he was “terrified” (sic) of me. They roared w laughter. Sooo many Newt stories to relate – so little space. He used to have a 5′3″ bodyguard w him. The guy was usually made to walk 10 feet behind Newt. We called him “Newt’s protective dwarf.” The whole trip was a constant howl. BTW: Newt’s head is huge & looks like an overinflated balloon. A great Repub!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 28th, 2009
9:51 pm
My bodyguard is shorter than Newt’s by about 4 foot 7 inches and you won’t see him until it’s too late.
Stalk at your own peril.
Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
9:51 pm
Tom
October 28th, 2009
9:48 pm
hehehe. I’m glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that.
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
9:51 pm
ABM–
“…government plant…” You and Unmentionable! He swears to it…still follows her assidously,,,
Okay, y’all, I’m going to go out on a limb here and will probably live to regret it, but, on my boy Shep…
It was long ago and faraway, but there was a time when this old f*rt was a bright and talented pretty boy, too so I sort of take umbrage at people not taking him seriously…it’s okay to be pretty and decorative and it’s okay to be sharp and intellectual, but it’s not okay to be both…there’s a jealously there that, whether or not we want to admit it, brings out the worst in us. I cannot tell the number of times back while I was getting established in my “intellectual” pursuits when, invited in to share my research and findings in person, the “look” was unmistakeable. One of the reasons I am such an admirer of Shep is that he has refused to fall victim….
Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
9:52 pm
You shouldn’t have any trouble keeping it in your pants then, whiner.
@@
October 28th, 2009
9:55 pm
Well I guess I’m done. Another comment went into moderation. It was addressed to Taxpayer and ABM.
Peek-a-boo! They don’t see you.
josef:
I’m not gonna have another debate with a gay man about some guy’s looks. Been there, done that.
Sheperd Smith has frog eyes. That’s this woman’s opinion. AND
at age 12, 13 or 14, I might have thought him Prince Charming.
See ‘ya.
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
9:56 pm
Tom–heh, heh! Don’t so many of the uppity have feet of clay!
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
9:59 pm
@@
As much as I’d rather not, have to agree, BUT he does bring out the school boy crush in me!!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 28th, 2009
10:00 pm
Try to keep my thing of your mind, Taxxie.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 28th, 2009
10:00 pm
off
geez
Angry Black Man
October 28th, 2009
10:01 pm
gonna call it a night myself. Time is creeping closer and closer to 3am.
Later all.
Why do all cats move about silently? They witnessed what happened to the dodo birds when they woke Chuck Norris up from a nap.
RW-(the original)
October 28th, 2009
10:01 pm
ow, now, they ALL covered the runaway balloon boy!
josef,
My comment wasn’t negative toward Shep in the least about that. He is in his element when there’s a car chase and nobody gets close to him on how he covers one. On balloon boy he channeled his inner car chase reporter and blew away the competition.
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
10:04 pm
RW @ 10:01
“…he channeled his inner car chase reporter and blew away the competition…”
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 28th, 2009
10:05 pm
Yep it is sure a brilliant idea to not get vaccinated and refuse to vaccinate your kids–like most every other Georgia conservative idea.
Yee haw yee haw hee haw hee haw.
Swine flu prompts hundreds of schools to close
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/swine-flu-prompts-hundreds-176708.html
At least 351 schools were closed last week alone — affecting 126,000 students in 19 states, according to the U.S. Education Department. So far this school year, about 600 schools have temporarily shut their doors.
And the good news is the more schools that close the more dumber more faster we can get.
No Worries Jay, You’re Not Becoming A Conservative. It’s Just That Newt Is A Dirty Lib’ral Now — Peach Pundit
October 28th, 2009
10:05 pm
[...] then Jay Bookman has to go and say that Newt Gingrich is being REASONABLE? These are frightening words to type, but [...]
Taxpayer
October 28th, 2009
10:17 pm
Well, whiner, you shouldn’t be constantly bragging about it on here then.
Dusty
October 28th, 2009
10:27 pm
Hey, the world Series is going along just fine. Credit Utley with two homeruns for Philadelpia. It’s 2/0.
They just had a break and brought out several service men and women. With the flag waving, a lady in uniform sang a fine version of “God Bless America”. Everybody cheered. Great song. Great crowd. The only thing better would be watching the Braves playing in this Series.
Oh well, next year.
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
10:35 pm
DUSTY–
Hey! Why is it just as you check in I’m having to check out? So, before I call it a night…what do YOU think of Shep and whiner’s little friend…
Linda
October 28th, 2009
10:44 pm
This blog proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Fox viewers are the most informed people on the planet & confirms why Fox has more viewers than all the other news channels combined.
josef nix
October 28th, 2009
10:51 pm
G’night, All–it was fun…
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 28th, 2009
10:56 pm
Ah lahks especially that most Fox viewers are so medically informed that they are shunning H1N1 vaccination in droves.
Nightline will show you what the result of that is–and it ain’t pretty.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 28th, 2009
11:06 pm
Fox has more viewers because unfortunately this country has more uneducated people than educated people by far. The South leads the league in ignorance, but there are many other red states with predominantly ignorant people.
Like robots, they accept the horsesh_t that Fox feeds them–a lot like in “1984″.
Fox is the most insipidly stupid trainwreck on the air. Murdoch actually hates their ideology but learned a long time ago there are far more stupid people than educated people and he exploits these ignorant, inarticulate, uninformed Faux Hounds.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 29th, 2009
5:27 am
Obama signs off on defense bill- F-22 funding ends; gender assaults get hate-crime status. WASHINGTON — Trumpeting a victory against careless spending, President Barack Obama on Wednesday signed a defense bill that kills some costly weapons projects and expands war efforts. In a major civil rights change, the law also makes it a federal hate crime to assault people based on sexual orientation. -Urinal
DADT?
hahahahaahahaha, wow, a federal hate crime, ew.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 29th, 2009
5:46 am
Health care plans average profits of just 3.3 percent. In wireless communications, a vigorously contested market, profits are 11 percent. Does Obama think we need a government cell-phone company to compete with Verizon and AT&T?
The proponents also believe that, like Medicare, a new government plan could be run far more efficiently than private firms. Don’t make me laugh. Medicare, keep in mind, is going broke. And its alleged efficiencies are illusory or nontransferable.-Steve Chapman
Medicare fraud would be far more efficient.
Angry Black Man
October 29th, 2009
6:07 am
Whiner
How would you know Amanpour is a whiney pinko if you don’t watch CNN? I’d put her credibility as a journalist up against anybody that Fox puts behind their desk any day of the week. I bet if she were a flag waving, pin wearing conservative she would be the best thing since sliced bread, huh?
Mrs. Godzilla
October 29th, 2009
6:24 am
How long will it take for the Beckerheads to say something foul about the President’s trip to Dover last night?
God Bless you President Obama.
AmVet
October 29th, 2009
6:31 am
Figures that the Republitoady would feel sorry for those poor little corporations that the federal government uses to spy (Illegally? Nah!) on American citizens.
(I know, I know, if you’re not doing anything wrong…)
Fascists in Republican clothing…
TnGelding
October 29th, 2009
6:51 am
Newt has always made sense on most issues. He was out of his element as speaker and should never have accepted that position.
Pelosi for life? Please, spare us!
His private life was no concern to us. It was the hypocrisy of the party affiliation. It was the consrvatives that ran him out of town.
TnGelding
October 29th, 2009
6:53 am
“Obama Visits Returning War Dead”
By JEFF ZELENY
Published: October 29, 2009
President Obama traveled to Dover Air Force Base early Thursday morning, where he met with family members and paid his respects as the bodies of 18 Americans killed this week in Afghanistan were returned to the United States.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/us/30obama.html?_r=1&hp
TnGelding
October 29th, 2009
6:58 am
Linda
Fox leads the cable news channels but only has a small fraction of what the network news reaches.
TnGelding
October 29th, 2009
7:08 am
Fox News Channel, Obama administration talking
NEW YORK (AP) – Fox News Channel and the Obama administration are talking. The network confirmed a Politico report that Fox news executive Michael Clemente met at the White House on Wednesday with Robert Gibbs, President Barack Obama’s press secretary. There were no details given about the meeting.
Normal
October 29th, 2009
7:12 am
MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
Normal
October 29th, 2009
7:16 am
I wish President Obama would go to Dover and meet all of the alive troops that he had just ordered home, yes I do.
Taxpayer
October 29th, 2009
7:16 am
HuffPost Editor Roy Sekoff was a guest on MSNBC’s The Ed Show tonight to discuss the latest outrage from the far right – an attempt to encourage people to battle against health care reform by burning Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in effigy, as well as holding a contest – with prizes! — to see who can create the ‘best’ “Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi burn in hell” video
This is the right wing fruit cake’s idea of making a contribution. Republicans are really showing that their desperation has no bounds.
Taxpayer
October 29th, 2009
7:20 am
Normal
October 29th, 2009
7:16 am
I wish President Obama would go to Dover and meet all of the alive troops that he had just ordered home, yes I do.
And, follow that up with an immediate cut in the DoD’s outlandish annual budget of $670 billion. Watch the war mongering right wing nuts blow a gasket if that were to happen. They’re thrilled to spend money to blow people to pieces but don’t want to spend it here to save lives.
FinnMcCool
October 29th, 2009
7:26 am
Fox news executive Michael Clemente met at the White House on Wednesday with Robert Gibbs
What was Gibbs having to spell out for the idiot Clemente?
Gibbs: “P-r-e-s-i-d-e-n-t, there’s not 3 e’s in there, Mr. Clemente”
Clemente: “But there’s a z in there somewhere isn’t there?”
Mrs. Godzilla
October 29th, 2009
7:27 am
Normal……me too.
Is Afghanistan just a way to outsource the War on Drugs?
Paul
October 29th, 2009
7:35 am
G’morning, Taxpayer
[[follow that up with an immediate cut in the DoD’s outlandish annual budget of $670 billion. Watch the war mongering right wing nuts blow a gasket if that were to happen.]]
Democratic majorities on the House and Senate Armed Services, Appropriations and the majorities in the House and Senate
are dominated by ‘war mongering right wing nuts?
Was that a typo? Didn’t you mean ‘war mongering LEFT wing nuts?
(For the record, I think it’s more left and right wing who like the $$$ and don’t have the principles to stand up for change.)
Hey, didja hear? It’s official! Democrats are cutting half a trillion dollars from Medicare to pay for their health care reforms!
Kinda like cutting the minimum wage to pay for a jobs bill, eh?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091028/D9BKBEKO1.html
Normal
October 29th, 2009
7:39 am
Taxpayer, exactly!
————-
Mrs. G, that is a scary thought…
Marsh
October 29th, 2009
7:39 am
For sure, Newtie is correct on this one. Man, it hurt to type that!
Jimmy62
October 29th, 2009
7:42 am
I completely disagree with Newt. And if you go by the polls, so do the people of NY 23. Hoffman will much more reliably vote with the GOP anyway. Newt’s just mad that the established GOP leadership is losing influence quickly to the Tea Party folks and their sympathizers. Fiscal sanity is non-partisan, though most of the left doesn’t seem on board with logic when it comes to spending these days.
Mrs. Godzilla
October 29th, 2009
7:47 am
No Duh!
Health CEOs Call for $500 Billion in Cost Savings in Medicare
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Newsletters/Washington-Health-Policy-in-Review/2009/Jun/June-15-2009/Health-CEOs-Call-for-500-Billion-in-Cost-Savings-in-Medicare.aspx
Kinda like cutting waste to cut waste.
Finn McCool
October 29th, 2009
7:48 am
a legitimate news organization does not:
* Source its research to “conservative blogs.”
* Purposefully present stories out of context.
* Regularly declare “Victory!” when a White House initiative fails.
* Ignore a breaking news story that embarrasses the Republican Party.
* Invite fringe conspiracy theorists to appear on news shows.
* Suggest during a news program that Democrats voted to “protect pedophiles, but not veterans.”
* Routinely accuse the president of the United States of being like Adolf Hitler.
* Describe itself as the “voice of the opposition.”
* Air more than 100 commercials promoting partisan political rallies.
* Show 22 clips of health care reform opponents who attended town hall forums, and none of health reform supporters.
* Purchase full-page newspaper ads to spread falsehoods about the news competition.
* Invade the privacy of second-grade students.
* Promote violent political rhetoric.
* Fail to fact-check a murder story before airing allegations about it.
* Allow a news anchor to suggest a Supreme Court nominee is guilty of “reverse racism.”
The story has examples of all of these unbalanced examples.
http://www.alternet.org/media/143541/30_reasons_fox_news_is_not_legit?page=4
theboogins
October 29th, 2009
7:49 am
Being “adequately conservative” is how the R’s got themselves into this mess. Being “truly conservative” is the only way out.
JB
Jimmy62
October 29th, 2009
7:51 am
The fact that the left seems to be cheering Newt on is all I need to know.
Paul
October 29th, 2009
7:54 am
Mrs. Godzilla 7:47
I never, ever thought I’d see it.
Mrs. Godzilla quotes corporate CEOs to justify cutting half a trillion from Medicare. Not the cuts Democrats propose, mind you, but cuts resulting solely in areas that would benefit their industries. So does this mean if you add the CEO cuts with the Democratic cuts they’re going to cut one trillion dollars from Medicare?
I do like how they know how much they can cut, though. “The CEOs did not specify how much each of their recommendations would save Medicare, but they said they “firmly believe” that up to 30 percent of the $2.4 trillion now spent on health care is the result of too few efforts to coordinate care and not enough attention to quality.”
They ‘firmly believe.’ Is that the same as closing your eyes and saying ‘I do believe in fairies, I do believe in fairies, I do believe in fairies”?
Background: not that many days ago it was nigh on impossible to get some here to acknowledge Democrats were planning any cuts to Medicare to fund health care reform.
Mrs. Godzilla
October 29th, 2009
7:55 am
Paul
Talk to the hand.
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
8:01 am
“They ‘firmly believe.’ Is that the same as closing your eyes and saying”
It reads more to me like they’re admitting they’ve been screwing the system all this time. So now it’s about to bite back, and all of a sudden they’ve “got religion”
Mrs. Godzilla
October 29th, 2009
8:01 am
New GOP Health Care Website Fails To Mention Seniors
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/28/new-gop-health-site-seniors/
joe matarotz
October 29th, 2009
8:04 am
Once in a while the Newt is correct. Once in a while Bookman is correct. So? It reminds me of the old adage, “Even a broken clock is right twice a day”. (Unless it’s digital. Then, it’s anybody’s guess.)
BTW, Cynthia Tucker is digital.
Finn McCool
October 29th, 2009
8:06 am
Excellent article on how we’ve become a subsidy nation:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/26/tax_subsidies/index.html
EITC, farm subsidies, etc, etc, etc.
Paul
October 29th, 2009
8:11 am
Mrs. Godzilla
Is “talk to the hand” your shorthand for saying “I guess I really should have read and thought about that link before I posted it”?
Doggone/GA
The religion of ‘more $$$$’?
Mrs. Godzilla 8:01
- post about Democrats cutting Medicare
- response about how industry CEOs say Medicare really has inefficiencies
- counter response questioning accuracy of magnitude of claims and self interest of those making claims
- new post about…. Republicans!
Lame diversion, really. Did your hand tell you to post that?
Now, back to Democrats cutting Medicare…..
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
8:13 am
“The religion of ‘more $$$$’?”
Of course, when ISN’T it about money?
Mrs. Godzilla
October 29th, 2009
8:16 am
Lame spin.
Taxpayer
October 29th, 2009
8:18 am
Paul,
I should probably just follow Mrs. G’s lead and point you to the hand but… The Republicans are the war mongers. And, please, spare me any historical references. After all, I did use present tense in the preceding sentence. Furthermore, they don’t like to openly admit that wars cost money as proven by the fact that Bush hid the cost from the public. And, even worse, they don’t like to pay for them as evidenced by their pushing off their own tax hikes until 2010 even though we had to borrow money from other nations, even communist nations, in order to make up for the shortfall. Then, just to add salt to the wounds, the most vocal war mongers, the Chambliss’s and Cheney’s of the world, dodge serving their country while supporting sending other’s children off to fight in their name with poor equipment. On the other hand, perhaps you should talk to the hand, Paul.
Paul
October 29th, 2009
8:19 am
Doggone/GA
Oh, when it’s about one’s own party, driven by pure principles and the desire to help people….
Mrs. Godzilla 8:16
Glad you admitted it. Why do you think Democrats persist with the avoidance of what their leaders have done?
Taxpayer
October 29th, 2009
8:20 am
Paul,
Your voucher, in lieu of medicare, is waiting for you. Courtesy of the GOP.
Mrs. Godzilla
October 29th, 2009
8:20 am
More ‘Senior Scare’
http://factcheck.org/2009/08/more-senior-scare/
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
8:21 am
“Oh, when it’s about one’s own party, driven by pure principles and the desire to help people”
Those are your words, not mine.
Paul
October 29th, 2009
8:22 am
Taxpayer
[[The Republicans are the war mongers. ]]
You persist with the old ‘we’re always good, they’re always bad’ mantra, don’t you? My point was they both are.
[[And, please, spare me any historical references.]]
Is that the same as “don’t confuse me with facts’?
Democrats seem to have quite a fascination with getting people to speak with their nonauditory body parts.
Paul
October 29th, 2009
8:23 am
Taxpayer
That’s what, the third time you’ve tried to divert attention from Democratic cuts by speaking of years-ago voucher proposals?
Lame-o
Paul
October 29th, 2009
8:28 am
Doggone/GA 8:21
Those were my words? Really? I posted something and they were… my words?!!?
Wow. I thought I was typing someone else’s words.
BTW – the original post was sarcasm….
Doggone/GA
October 29th, 2009
8:30 am
“BTW – the original post was sarcasm….”
BTW – if you don’t indicate it as sarcasm you get stuck with the responses of people like me who have literal minds and think you are serious. Take that as a warning.
stands for decibels
October 29th, 2009
8:31 am
Finn @ 8.06, good catch, fascinating article.
Some thought provoking teaser material follows:
according to official figures the U.S. spends about 30 percent of its GDP on government at all levels — well below the OECD average of around 36 percent and the EU average of about 39 percent. But add in the “dark matter” of tax expenditures, and federal-state-local spending goes up to around 36 percent of GDP — close to the international average among developed countries and within range of European norms.
This is something that neither liberals nor conservatives are honest about. Liberals like to invoke official spending numbers to claim that the U.S. spends far less on social welfare purposes than other, similar industrial democracies. That implies that there is room for a massive expansion of federal spending on new purposes — health, environment, education. But as Jacob Hacker has pointed out, when tax expenditures are factored in, U.S. welfare policies absorb far more of the U.S. economy already than many on the left want to admit. Though it is still short of the half of GDP taken by government in the Nordic democracies, the American public sector, when dark matter is included, is pretty close to Western European levels already.
But conservatives have no reason to gloat about the discovery of the tax-expenditure dark matter — not if they believe their own rhetoric about free markets and free enterprise. The truth is that tax expenditures warp the market and corrupt private enterprise.
I now return you to “You’re a PoopyHead” already in progress.
Paul
October 29th, 2009
8:34 am
Doggone/GA
A warning? Not advice? A warning?
A bit touchy this fine morning, are we?
Now, back to Democratic cuts to Medicare….