Lieberman won’t allow Senate vote on public option
Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut has thrown down the gauntlet, announcing that if health-care reform includes a so-called “public option,” he would support a Republican filibuster to block a vote on the proposal.
As Lieberman told Politico:
“My answer is – we’re – we have the opportunity to do some great reforms here. These exchanges that we’re talking about, I think, are going to drive competition and probably bring the cost of health insurance down or at least contain the cost increases for a lot of people. Let’s give that two or three years to see how it works to see how it works before we talk about creating another entitlement that will end up increasing the national debt and putting more of a burden on taxpayers.”
That statement reveals a gross misunderstanding of the public option and how it would operate. It further suggests that Lieberman’s misgivings are not substantive but political in nature.
Under the Senate proposal, a publicly run entity would compete for health-insurance business against privately run plans. The public option would be cost-neutral — the same subsidies available to help lower-income people pay for public-option coverage would be available anyway to pay for private coverage. There’s no increase in cost.
Furthermore, the public option would have to finance its operations and benefit payments exclusively through premiums paid by its customers, just as private plans do. Its operations could not be subsidized by taxpayers. Again, there’s no additional cost to the government.
Given that structure, it is difficult to understand Lieberman’s complaint that a public option would create an expensive new entitlement. The public option would be self-sustaining, and by almost every nonpartisan analysis would probably lower the net cost to taxpayers.
So what’s Joe’s REAL problem with the proposal?
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Lloyd Braun
October 27th, 2009
3:50 pm
Flip-flop Lieberman not able to make a decision? Oh vey, he can’t even decide on a party.
mazeltov,
Brauny
TGT
October 27th, 2009
3:51 pm
As I noted last night and earlier today: The Dems don’t have the votes (given Dem. Sen. Nelson, Lincoln, Landrieu, and now Lieberman’s statements) for any bill that involves a public (government) option.
Just Say No
October 27th, 2009
3:53 pm
More government more problems . Its that simple Bookman.I know its nice to have things given to you but the money has to come from somewhere.And if you think this healthcare plan wont add one dime to the deficit you are drunk.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 27th, 2009
3:56 pm
I thought Hairy Reed had hisself a done deal?
Matilda
October 27th, 2009
3:58 pm
Schmuck.
GayGrayGeek
October 27th, 2009
4:06 pm
Joe LIEberman was Al Gore’s worst mistake.
Taxpayer
October 27th, 2009
4:10 pm
Is Joe feeling left out these days. I always thought that he would make a good Republican. It’s just something about that whine of his.
Mrs. Godzilla
October 27th, 2009
4:12 pm
I ain’t sweatin’ it.
I think somebody’s holding an Ace or two up their sleeve.
Patience.
Joey
October 27th, 2009
4:15 pm
Summary of this post:
I, Jay Bookman, know more than Senator Joe Lieberman about the Senate’s National Health Care Bill. And Lieberman is obviously lying when he gave his half-assed reason for objecting to the Public Option.
If this DINO would listen to me, Jay Bookman, I could set him straight.
Joey
October 27th, 2009
4:16 pm
And I agree with Matilda, Jay is being a schmuck here.
Hef
October 27th, 2009
4:16 pm
“no additional cost to the govmnt” -While I believe those who believe this to be sincere,pardon me if I and millions of others don’t buy into it.
godless heathen
October 27th, 2009
4:17 pm
Jay’s still drinking the “Public Option will be cost neutral” Kool Aid. The government will give people the money to buy their product and then claim that the product is revenue neutral.
The so-called Public Option is nothing but a Trojan Horse for single-payer. If single payer is what they want, then sell single payer. Otherwise this is a scam.
Hef
October 27th, 2009
4:19 pm
“holding an Ace or two up their sleeves” – don’t cha mean a payoff of some sort.
Truth
October 27th, 2009
4:19 pm
Joe loves freedom and sees it being taken away… inch by inch.
Kamchak
October 27th, 2009
4:21 pm
Whaddaya expect? The man is the Senator of Connecticut–the insurance capitol of the U.S.
Mrs. Godzilla
October 27th, 2009
4:22 pm
Hef
Nope…..
I think there is “strategery” afoot….
Kamchak
October 27th, 2009
4:27 pm
capital…geez
F. Sinkwich
October 27th, 2009
4:28 pm
First of all, I’m glad ol’ Joe is taking a stand against this obamanation, even though it’s probably because the state of Connecticut is home to the insurance industry.
Cost neutral, Jay? 47 million more people with health insurance and it’s not going to cost anymore than it does today? Don’t Bogart that joint, dude — must be good stuff.
Taxpayer
October 27th, 2009
4:31 pm
Hmmm! If only there were a way to opt out.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
4:33 pm
Hey y’all! Wish I’d been around here mid-morning. Y’all were on a roll!
Jay, I though I asked you ever so politely this a.m. to give us fresh meat and not leftovers! Well, at least its kosher meat..
Don’t get me started on this first rate hypocrite a** Liberman ’cause Jay/Moderator won’t let me post why I really spit every time I hear his name mentioned and the collection of communications I have with his office is absolutely one of the best examples of they don’t read a word you write them. Call him what he is in no inucertain terms and get back a “thank you for your support form” letter…
N.J.
October 27th, 2009
4:34 pm
Lieberman wants something. Like an additional chair on one of the committees. Or more agreement to vote on his bill, the Employee Free Choice Act. He also struck a deal to keep his chairmanship of the Governmental Affairs Committee that require him to ask permission of Dick Durbin for procedural votes, though he is free to vote as he wants on policy votes.
There IS a strategy afoot because of his loss of stature over the Iraq position in his 2006 campaign.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
4:37 pm
Truth–
Sh*t, Joe hasn’t even read a standard American or Jewish history textbook. He’s a dog t*rd in my opinion
K’chak
Connecticut? Insurance? Reckon there is a connection there?
Kamchak
October 27th, 2009
4:38 pm
Hey y’all! Wish I’d been around here mid-morning. Y’all were on a roll!
Onion? Kaiser? Hoagie? Croissant?
N.J.
October 27th, 2009
4:39 pm
Hopefully the government option IS a trojan horse FOR a Single Payer Option. The only reason that private employer based health insurance exists is that the Insurance Industry bought themselves a piece of legislation in 1954. There is really no rational reason or even a rational economic one for private employers to provide health insurance for their employees, anymore than there is for them to directly cloth or feed their employees.
Conservatives actually NEVER think about how this actually came to be. It is extremely unusual for them to support a government tax subsidy to employers to provide their employees with a benefit. Health care is usually a private and personal matter, yet they seem to have NO problem with both employers AND the insurance industry being intimately involved with it.
Your INSURANCE company knows almost every personal and private event in your health life.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 27th, 2009
4:44 pm
Well, I’m glad old Joe is against this Public Option, but it’s a mystery to me why. I mean, it couldn’t be because his state is home to Aetna and the Hartford and a couple dozen other big insurance cos. And I know it couldn’t be because his wife was head of planning and in charge of lobbying for Pfizer. Which makes Viagra, by the way.
Anyhow, I guess we’ll never know why he’s against the public option. Have a good night everybody.
pat
October 27th, 2009
4:44 pm
If it includes a mandate. That’s one problem. Cost neutral, really?? Just like all the other entitlement programs, their is no neutrality in the cost. It will cost dearly and we will pay for it, it’s called taxes. More money for worse healtcare, abortions on the half-shell. Pay way more for way less, sound like a winner to me.
It won’t pass anyway….
Mandates are unconstitutionsal the government cannot make you buy a service simply because you were born. Some people don’t want insurance, it’s their perrogative.
Cost is the 800 lbs. gorilla. Pharmecueticals and doctors are all for this crap because they can charge as much or more for their serivices. Giving everybody a free ride will not control costs it will make it worse. If you have to pay a premium for gov. insurance, why wouldn’t you just buy private insurance that is likely better anyway.
I prefer people with something over a 6th grade education discussing my healthcare options.
Furhter just like with the TARP salary issue. If you get something from the governement, they can claim control over what you do. Screw that..
Again, it will fail, not worried. It’s just another failing policy of the left. Just give them enough rope to hang themselves….
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
4:44 pm
K’chak…croissant, of course, a sophisticated lot we are!
Paul
October 27th, 2009
4:49 pm
Please let Sen Reid read Jay’s column as an on-air response and not give one of his usual off the cuff statements.
Hey… does this count as attacking falsehoods? Calling out misinformation? This’d be perfect for Anita to address.
Nope. It’s a fire and forget White House.
DoggoneGA
October 27th, 2009
4:49 pm
Anybody have the energy to count the number of false premises in Pat’s post? It left me tired just reading it.
Swami Dave
October 27th, 2009
4:49 pm
Anyone who believes that **a “Public Option” / “Government Option” will offer coverage to those who do not have it while not diminishing the coverage or care of those already receiving it at a lower cost while keeping the availability of service at or above the current market** is naive, at best (if not party to what is an intended deception).
Anyone who believes that **these actions will not be funded by either (a) increased taxes on taxpayers or (b) increased costs upon those already paying their own bills OR BOTH** is again naive, at best (if not participating in the lie).
While we are discussing dishonesty and blatant attempts to deceive, what this legislation says about funding sources (”not taxpayers” – allegedly) OR opting out (”if your state chooses” – allegedly) OR actions as a fair competitive influence (”competing with; not undermining the existing market” – allegedly) is **worthless** when one recognizes that legislators can follow up anything passed during this session to amend or remove those constraints once they have a captive market of dependents upon this insurance coverage. Likewise, at the first sign of economic challenges, nothing would prevent those future legislators from implementing another Stima-Spend-ulus package to “bailout” the “Government Option” on the backs of taxpayers if revenues do not meet obligations or the beneficiary group demands increased benefits that they, themselves, are unwilling to fund.
Kudos to Senator Lieberman and other Senators who are opposing this scheme to further confiscate that which America’s producers earn to fund benefits to others that they will not pay for themselves. If this is defeated as it should be, it will be a win for American taxpayers!
-SD
N.J.
October 27th, 2009
4:49 pm
And if you check the HIPPA rules, with regard to health insurers, if your insurance lapses, some of the protections given under the act are lost. HIPPA only applies to health care PROVIDERS, not health insurers, so there is nothing that prevents the insurance industry from passing on what health procedure codes have been applied to you in the past.
This is a problem because doctors often choose codes for a procedure that allow them to most easily get paid for the procedure. Therefore if selecting a code for “depression, malaise, etc” allows them to give you a blood panel that really has more to do with blood lipids, your insurance record shows a treatment for “depression” that your employer may be able to access, not through your doctor, hospital or clinic, but through your INSURANCE company. That’s because health insurance companies are not considered health care providers, but fall under the Financial Industry.
There are different rules whether your employer is “self insured” or purchased a sort of predesigned package from an insurance company but the net result is that a lot of a persons health care “purchases” are not protected OR private.
For example, use a credit card to pay your copays for a psychiatrists appointment, and your employer or future employer can find out that your are getting psychiatric care.
Hef
October 27th, 2009
4:50 pm
N.J.- I agree my Insurance company probably knows every personal & private event in my health life.They’re footin the bill,I’m ok with that. Now the Govnmnt-not so much.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
4:52 pm
Hef @ 4:50
You raise a very germane point and I agree.
steve
October 27th, 2009
4:54 pm
THIRTY POINT REPUBLICAN PLATFORM
1 – Destroy hope in America by being anti-everything Obama which equals anti-middle class.
2 – Give tax breaks to the rich
3 – Talk conservative when spending money on Main Street, but quite liberal when spending money for corporate CEOs
4 – Pass laws as favors for campaign donations even if it is not good for middle class America
5 – Use scare tactics instead of facts to influence Americans (i.e. Bush and Iraq war – death panels, etc).
6 – Complain when Obama/Dems does something, but have no plans or solutions of their own
7 – Party of YES for big corporations and lobbyists.
8 – Party of NO for hard working middle class Americans
9 – Distorts the truth and use gimmicks (McCain’s campaign, birthers, death panels, etc)
10 – Relies on Fox and bogus Rasmussen Polls for their facts while ignoring all other opposing polls
11 – Wraps themselves around the flag and talks a good game without substance
12 – Pretends or distorts the truth as if they are doing good for middle class while passing laws that help the rich and corporate America
13 – Liars
14 – Uses polls from self-serving corporations (i.e insurance company polls) as facts
15 – While Insurance CEOs give themselves million dollar salaries (expense) from canceling premiums, Hatch has the gull to discuss their profit percentage (see #3 above).
16. Don’t have the guts to stand up to the crazies like Beck and Limbaugh
17. At the 11th hour talks about preserving Medicare while at the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th hour they opposed all regulation to help seniors with health care
18. Everything they say to oppose health care is true about insurance companies – death panels, rationing, etc are all done by insurance companies now
19. Speaks in generalities and sound bites and leaves out the truth. For example taxes. They talk as if Obama will raise taxes on all Americans trying to influence middle class, when Obama has said repeatedly he will only raise it on those who make $250,000 or more (roll back to Clinton years) – see #2 and #3 above.
20 – Uses Fox news and conservative talk radio to spread their propaganda.
21 – After banks, insurance industry, wall street, etc destroyed our economy, they want to maintain the status quo and not regulate the financial industry to satisfy the financial lobbyists and get more campaign donations to defeat the Democrats. In other words, the hell with Main Street – see #2 and 3 above.
22 – Not sure, but perception is they don’t care much for minorities.
23 – Believes in Bush trickle down theory – see #2 above. While it only trickles to greedy pockets or their campaign funds.
24. – Will beat Dems in campaign donations because they will be funded by corporate America so they can get laws passed that favors corporations and the financial industry (Bush years).
25. Republican’s love using buzz words. For example as soon as Obama tries to pass laws to prevent unfair practices by corporate America, the Right screams “free market”. Yet when laws are passed by the Republicans to give corporations and wall street market advantage we never hear them scream “let the free market work”. Republicans should be the party of hypocrites.
26. I must admit that they are good at starting wars.
27. Republicans seem to believe it is ok that our tax dollars pay for their health care but not middle class health care.
28. Republicans like to reference the evils of “big government” and the Republicans will make sure they pass laws, block useful legislation for middle class and create as much red tape as possible to prove their point.
29. Republicans are great at using trivia (lets pick on what the first lady is wearing, or where the President goes to dinner, vacation, campaigning for winter Olympics, etc) to try to distract Americans from the real issues
30. Bottom line is Republicans talk a good game by wrapping themselves around words like freedom, free market, etc, but they continue to pass policies and laws that favor the rich, corporate America and have no answers nor do they know how to govern for the middle class other than accepting the status quo of unfair practices and laws for the rich/corporations while screwing over middle class Americans.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
4:57 pm
Steve–
While I wouldn’t disagree with a lot of what you say, the Dems are no better…
DoggoneGA
October 27th, 2009
4:58 pm
“Now the Govnmnt-not so much.”
And how do you know the government doesn’t ALREADY know more than you want them to know? Me? I haven NO doubt they DO.
Normal
October 27th, 2009
4:58 pm
K’chak…croissant, of course, a sophisticated lot we are!
He says with raised pinkie and a glass of Merlot…
Kamchak
October 27th, 2009
5:00 pm
K’chak…croissant, of course, a sophisticated lot we are!
You asked for it…
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:00 pm
Normal–tonight’s a Cabernet! Mais ouais, mon frere…
Doggone–They probably know more about me than I do…
Normal
October 27th, 2009
5:01 pm
OK, it’s gettin’ a little snarly here, time to hold hands…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KcB8-RpnRQ&feature=related
GAWD, I love this…
Paul
October 27th, 2009
5:01 pm
josef
YOU RIGHTWINGNEOCON FOXWATCHING FASCIST RACIST! HOW DARE YOU SAY DEMS ARE NO BETTER!!
This message brought to you by Ideologues of America. Where any ideology is welcome. As long as it’s ours.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:02 pm
K’chak– TOO good! How do you do it…still wiping up the spray!
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:03 pm
PAUL–got the memo!
DoggoneGA
October 27th, 2009
5:04 pm
“the Dems are no better…”
“They probably know more about me than I do…”
Yeah…both of those.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:06 pm
Doggone–
And no doubt the Dems know more about me than I do–even if they don’t read their mail!
DoggoneGA
October 27th, 2009
5:07 pm
“Mandates are unconstitutionsal the government cannot make you buy a service simply because you were born”
They could raise the income tax rate, then pay the money for you on an insurance premium.
Solomon
October 27th, 2009
5:07 pm
You can almost see the $$ in his eyes….
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:08 pm
Norm– @ 5:01
Aw, scr*w you and that f*ggot horse you road in on! Told y’all this a.m. I wouldn’t be in a diplomatic I jus’ love everybody mood….
U
October 27th, 2009
5:08 pm
Enter your comments here
GEORGE CONSERVATIVE
October 27th, 2009
5:09 pm
steve,
you for got this one:
DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, THE AMERICAN WAY AND MAKE AMERICA STRONG!!!
not like the simpleton chicken dims
Yo'momma Obama
October 27th, 2009
5:10 pm
Somewhere deep in the jungles of Kenya, a village is missing its idiot
Paul
October 27th, 2009
5:12 pm
okay…. I just gotta ask:
George, just what is “the American way”?
And isn’t $680 billion a year enough to make us strong? Or are you talking about a diet plan?
Normal
October 27th, 2009
5:12 pm
I don’t know why anyone is surprised that Lieberman would do this. He is an oportunist to the extreme.
He has no other way to act. Just work around him.
booger
October 27th, 2009
5:12 pm
Jay,
Joe’s real problem with this is that he has been around capitol hill long enough to know that the fact that a bill states it is cost neutral doesn’t mean anything. There have been so many deceptions about cost in the various iterations of this bill that no one really has any idea what it will cost other than a lot more than they say it will.
The opt out provision is also laughable. In an interview with a Penn. senator on the ilegitmate news network he was asked what tax considerations would be given states that opt out. He said none. He went on to say they there would be an initial start up cost to the public plan but they hoped it would soon become cost neutral. He was asked if states who opted out of the plan would still recieve the subsidies for their lower income residents. He was not sure.
So in the end, any state which opts out, will subsidize other states through their taxes. This does not make this much of an option.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:12 pm
Yo’momma
I’m telling y’all, you’re looking in the wrong place. Go to the Rio de la Plata…
DoggoneGA
October 27th, 2009
5:13 pm
“Somewhere deep in the jungles of Kenya”
Wow, how original…except we’ve only heard it a 100 million times already. Can’t you guys come up with ANYTHING new?
Normal
October 27th, 2009
5:14 pm
I’ll have you know my horse loves me. We will ride off in the sunset…bye
Hef
October 27th, 2009
5:15 pm
Doggone@4:58pm-”I have No doubt Do”-not putting words in your mouth-facts please. Show how the Govnmt knows about Mr Doggone. Smile
AmVet
October 27th, 2009
5:15 pm
There is only one REAL solution to this criminal nightmare called health insurance.
Single payer.
The current system is so intentionally layered with bureaucrats and paper shufflers and fingers in the pie administrators it makes the IRS look positively simple and efficient!
A 1000 page monstrosity nicknamed ObamaCare?
And if you think that Aetna, Kaiser, Cigna, Pfizer, Novartis, Merck, Wellpoint, BlueCross and the tort reform toadies at the AMA are unhappy now, just mention a system that takes their criminal malfeasance amnesty out of the picture!
They want NO ONE to really know about the greed, the fraud, the annual $250 billion in billing fraud and abuse alone that the GAO years ago documented.
And they didn’t document the annual $350 billion of waste and senseless, wasteful overhead of and their massive executive salaries and bureaucracies.
Nor did they document the 40,000 needless American deaths EVERY YEAR, the injuries, the sickness that hundreds of thousands of Americans go through every year because they can’t afford “health care”.
So many have been bankrupt and still the conned shuckand grin for these fascists.
It’s hard to figure out…
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:15 pm
Paul–
American Way? It runs off Capitol Street and connects to Road of Rememberance in at least one town I know…
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:17 pm
Norm–Go west, young man…!
DoggoneGA
October 27th, 2009
5:18 pm
“facts please”
There are no facts. That’s the fun of basing an opinion on nothing of any substance whatever. It can’t be proven…and it can’t be disproven. Nonetheless, it’s my opinion.
booger
October 27th, 2009
5:19 pm
Guess who just went on Obama’s enemy list today? It’s getting quite crowded there I would think.
Hef
October 27th, 2009
5:19 pm
Doggone-Thus the smile at the end of my post.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:20 pm
“… simpleton chicken dims…”
Available in fine Chinese restaurants from coast to coast for a limited time…
Hef
October 27th, 2009
5:21 pm
booger-Who?
Yo'momma Obama
October 27th, 2009
5:22 pm
Doggone, touch a nerve, did it? Great Sultan Obama of Kenya will give you 66 virgins if u can convince Lieberman to change his mind?
Paul
October 27th, 2009
5:22 pm
josef
Ah, yes… I was thinking of the intro to the old Superman series, myself!
And over on the House side, Spkr Pelosi has about the same problem. But hers is with 40 Democrats.
“(Rep) Stupak said he and as many as 39 other Democrats will vote no on a procedural motion to bring the health bill to the floor. A House vote on healthcare reform could be taken next week.”
http://thehill.com//blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/64971-mich-democrat-pelosi-not-happy-with-me
Hef
October 27th, 2009
5:24 pm
JN-”…simpleton chicken dims…” also now available on $1 menu at Wendy’s
DoggoneGA
October 27th, 2009
5:25 pm
“Guess who just went on Obama’s enemy list today?”
Santa Claus?
the Easter Bunny?
Mother Theresa?
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:25 pm
PAUL–
Just as I had vented my spleen on the Connecticut Ignoramus, you would bring up the geriatric cheerleader Pelosi–can’t mention her name in this house. The Unmentionable goes ballistic!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 27th, 2009
5:26 pm
Ah, yes, I let this one escape me for a moment.
I’m sure Limbaugh caught it too but I missed the last two hours of his show and I don’t even know what time Lieberman announced this.
Check it out-
Lieberman is a pinko.
Hairy Reed drug the public option out of the graveyard, what, yesterday?
Lieberman speaks out against the already killed corpse, but says he will support the plan without the dead body in it.
Everybody thinks Lieberman is a sweet, adorable little moderate and will rally to his side, especially the moron RINOs of ours, they orgy up into one of their deviant compromises.
The democrats get the votes needed to pass their monstrosity.
Am I not the man?
Hef
October 27th, 2009
5:26 pm
Also comes with free MUSTARD
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:27 pm
Doggone–
But I betcha OUR Polyanna, ain’t there yet!
DoggoneGA
October 27th, 2009
5:28 pm
“also now available on $1 menu at Wendy’s”
Nah, the dollar’s down…it’s $1.10 now
DoggoneGA
October 27th, 2009
5:29 pm
“But I betcha OUR Polyanna, ain’t there yet!”
And the best part is that Obama doesn’t even need to keep track. Anytime he want’s to know who’s on his “enemies list” all he has to do is get someone to call Fox “news” and they’ll be glad to tell them.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:29 pm
Doggone/Hef
Slightly higher in Canada…
pat
October 27th, 2009
5:30 pm
Single payer, subpar service at an astronimical price, with a smile….
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:31 pm
Doggone–
I bet they’ve even got a link at foxnews.com!
Hef
October 27th, 2009
5:32 pm
Doggone-Fox has that red hotline phone you know for instant access.
DoggoneGA
October 27th, 2009
5:33 pm
“I bet they’ve even got a link at foxnews.com!”
I wouldn’t be bit surprised!
Kamchak
October 27th, 2009
5:34 pm
YOU RIGHTWINGNEOCON FOXWATCHING FASCIST RACIST! HOW DARE YOU SAY DEMS ARE NO BETTER!!
How about the tax-hiking, government-expanding, latte-drinking, sushi-eating, volvo-driving, New York Times-reading, body-piercing, Hollywood-loving left-wing freak show.
Paul
October 27th, 2009
5:34 pm
josef
Jay once did a thread asking for responses why people don’t care for her. There were some interesting opinions expressed. I’ll bet the Unmentionalble could have livened the discussion.
DoggoneGA
Havta call Fox ’cause the White House isn’t big on answering questions.
Just ask the reporters at Gitmo.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:35 pm
NORM–for you and your horse!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atHY8rDBhtI
Paul
October 27th, 2009
5:36 pm
Kamchak
Now that one takes the cake -
Pogo
October 27th, 2009
5:41 pm
To stand against Obama, Pelosi and Read’s Marxist fantasy makes Lieberman a hero. For those that want to be controlled, you have the right President and Congress in place now but they aren’t going over too well with most of the nation. For those of us who want to have some semblance of freedom without havaing these bumbling Marxist bureaucrats meddling in our lives, our day is coming soon. Crow now dim’s. You will be howling soon. America is “SO” over the last election.
GOP=LOSERS
October 27th, 2009
5:42 pm
And yet we have the most expensive health care system in the world.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:43 pm
K’chak– Now, Dean, I like him…he invited my Rebel A** to the big tent before he got sheephooked state left by the likes of Liebermann…put them brogans on and was all loaded up in the pick up truck with the gunrack and the the invitation was rescinded, ain’t had no use for them (except Howard Dean) since…
Paul–the Unmentionable and discussion of Pelosi on here? Well, to get past the moderator he’d have had to hit cap lock and type the first row of keys….
Paul
October 27th, 2009
5:44 pm
Okay… I’ll ask here, too:
Marxist?
Hef
October 27th, 2009
5:44 pm
GOP=LOSERS-And the Best
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:45 pm
“Crow now dims–”
Have your crow and eat it too. Coming soon!
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:46 pm
PAUL–
Marxists? I vote Harpo….
Paul
October 27th, 2009
5:48 pm
josef
I was hopin’ that’s what he meant…
N.J.
October 27th, 2009
5:48 pm
No, your insurance company is NOT footing the bill. What you don’t actually get, and most conservatives don’t get, is that YOU are paying the premiums, in one way or another. Jobs started being offered with benefits after the employers wrangled changes in the tax codes, because it was either pay 10,000 a year in health insurance, or 15,000 a year in salaries, because in a basic free market salaries are based on what the median income person needs to actually live and meet their expenses.
The conservatives have tried to push the idea that it is some sort of BENEVOLENCE on the part of employers, but that is not the case. Employers started pushing more benefits, because they got better tax considerations on them and less salaries.
I would rather have the GOVERNMENT have my medical information, because legally, they cannot sell it to anyone with a commercial interest in having the information, by law. Your insurance company can, under any number of circumstances, just like businesses can access your credit record.
Hef
October 27th, 2009
5:48 pm
Kamshak-Now say that 3 times real fast like the “freecreditreportcom” commercials on tv!
Paul
October 27th, 2009
5:50 pm
josef
I was all jazzed for the premiere of V tonight… but it’s not till next Tuesday.
Life is so full of disappointments that matter.
N.J.
October 27th, 2009
5:51 pm
When you agree to take a job at a set salary, with set benefits, that money belongs to you, in exchange for working. The idea that the employer or the insurance company is footing the bill is another conservo myth. The benefits are a part of your compensation for working. You work, it is yours. Thats the agreement your boss made with you. Employment is NOT a one way street. The employer makes a contractual offer, and the employee accepts it. From that time on, every dollar of compensation belongs to the employee as long as he keeps his end of the contract.
josef nix
October 27th, 2009
5:53 pm
PAUL–
I empathize (nominate me to the Supreme Court since I ain’t in the Peace Prize bidness this p.m.!) We’re down to the last episode of Babylon 5 and now I’ve got to find me something else to look forward to….
Hef
October 27th, 2009
5:54 pm
NJ-paraphrase here,”govnmnt can’t sell my info because it’s the law”. Govnmnt-unlawfull nah never happen. But I see what your sayin. I still don’t have a problem with me & the insurance co knowing about my health care,the govnmnt-not so much.
GET A SPINE
October 27th, 2009
5:55 pm
If the Democrats had any kajones, they’d ‘Wellstone’ this albatross.