Dementia rates much higher for ex-NFL players
I’m a football fan, but this is serious business. The industry as a whole — from the NFL down to the PeeWee leagues — is going to have to address it through rules changes, medical changes and equipment changes. I’ve long wondered whether part of the answer might be softer equipment — fewer and softer pads, etc. — because in the modern game they’ve become less like protective devices and more like weapons to use against the opponent.
When a survey commissioned by the National Football League recently indicated that dementia or similar memory-related diseases had been diagnosed in its retired players vastly more often than in the national population, the league claimed the study was unreliable.
But confidential data from the N.F.L.’s dementia assistance plan strongly corroborates claims of a link between football and later-life cognitive impairment. Records indicate that pro football’s retirees are experiencing moderate to advanced early-onset dementia at rates several times higher than the general population, the most glaring evidence to date of the dangers of professional football in past eras.
According to the story, the data indicate dementia rates among football players that are four to five times higher than those for the average male. Legally, morally and commercially, those are numbers the league has to address with some seriousness.
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Taxpayer
October 24th, 2009
1:20 pm
I see that more and more of the Reagan papers are starting to be released so perhaps we will indeed see some unbiased and more accurate comparisons of so-called radical behaviors of Reagan versus Kennedy as well as members of the CIA and DoD. As for more recent presidents, it may be a few more years before we get a glance at their works.
Taxpayer
October 24th, 2009
1:22 pm
josef nix
October 24th, 2009
1:11 pm
Question: Are “dementia rates” set by the Federal Reserve?
No, but they are FDIC insured.
josef nix
October 24th, 2009
1:39 pm
Taxpayer…
FDIC–Is that Federal Department of Incompetent Conartists?
Taxpayer
October 24th, 2009
1:43 pm
At first glance, you may believe that this image is the result of nuclear testing, rabid beavers or some horrifying combination thereof. In fact, this is a picture of the aftermath of the Tunguska explosion, which demolished Siberia in 1908. The blast, which some scientists attribute to an earthbound comet, leveled 80 million trees with the force of 1,000 Hiroshimas.
Scary, right? Now raise Tunguska to the power of “holy bleep” and you’ll get an inkling of how devastating the Clovis Comet was. “How devastating?” you query. Well experts say it was an explosion equal to about 1.5 billion Hiroshima bombs (or 20 million Megatons).
Taxpayer
October 24th, 2009
1:46 pm
FDIC–Is that Federal Department of Incompetent Conartists?
Given the number of bank failures plus those that are still expected to fail, I’d have to agree. Don’t they keep tabs on folks that they insure so they can drop them at the first sign of their needing to file a claim. They need to take a lesson from the private insurance providers.
TnGelding
October 24th, 2009
1:57 pm
It stands to reason. But there are a lot of other physical ailments related to it too. Knees come to mind. Good point about the equipment, but why even play the game at all? We need to wean ourselves off of spectator sports and concentrate on participatin sports, but those have risks as well.
josef nix
October 24th, 2009
1:58 pm
Taxpayer..
Federal Reserve, according to Unmentionable, is the Red Man’s revenge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Owen
Taxpayer
October 24th, 2009
2:04 pm
The need for violent and harmful spectator sports has been well demonstrated in movies such as Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. It helps to keep the masses content and satisfied. We should be grateful that we only need the level of violence found in football and boxing and soccer and mud wrestling… .
USinUK
October 24th, 2009
2:11 pm
jo nix –
don’t go blaming the FDIC – they were thwarted from collecting insurance premiums throughout most of this decade, thanks to the republicans in congress. had they been able to collect the premiums, they wouldn’t be in the dire straights they currently find themselves.
josef nix
October 24th, 2009
2:14 pm
USinUK–
It wasn’t blaming FDIC, but the Federal Reserve…started out as a joke…the post, that is, but then the ghost of Senator Owen came calling…
Angry Black Man
October 24th, 2009
2:20 pm
josef
I will not give back my award, I won it fair and balanced, err fair and square.
Taxpayer
October 24th, 2009
2:26 pm
Spanish Flu first showed up in 1918. It was an H1N1 strain, a term normally associated with swine flu, which is Spanish Flu’s underachieving younger brother. The 1918 outbreak infected a third of Earth’s population (about 500 million people caught it) and it killed a third of Europe, putting it on even footing with the Black Death.
The similarities end there. Although both diseases killed roughly the same amount of people, the Black Death took about 200 years to do it.
Spanish Flu did it in two years.
USinUK
October 24th, 2009
2:33 pm
jo nix –
you’re right- Greenspan and co should have taken their job MUCH more seriously than they did … (one of the chief reasons I’m not a big Greenspan fan)
Dusty
October 24th, 2009
2:37 pm
JOSEF, Wayyyy off the subject here but….I was reading the magazine of the National Trust for HIstoric Preservation. Came across a piece in the Transitions section on the Ross Cemetery.. Seems there is a 167-year-old Cherokee burial grounds in Park Hill, Oklahoma. It is undergoing restoration. They have already buillt a new concree foundation for the raised burial area, etc.
The second phase will focus on improving the surrounding area which already includes Trail of Tears medallions and a granite memorial to the first president of the Cherokee Nation, Chief John Ross. The cemetery is listed on the National Register.
I was wondering if Unmentionable has visited the Ross Cemetery.
USinUK
October 24th, 2009
2:37 pm
taxpayer – the interesting thing about the 1918 outbreak is how much more mobile society then than during the Black death outbreaks in the 1600s … train travel, alone, increased mobility within countries … add to it the end of World War 1 and what that meant for international travel throughout Europe – it’s no wonder that Spanish Flu was able to wipe out so much of the population
josef nix
October 24th, 2009
2:41 pm
ABM–fair? Balanced? Square? Just what blog do you think you’re on.
USinUK–never trusted Greenspan much myself. Not that I know the first thing about economics, but there was just something about him. I think it was that cult of personality thingie…
Angry Black Man
October 24th, 2009
2:42 pm
Taxpayer
Black Death sounds like when I’m ticked off at the world. Wonder how many I could put down.
USinUK
October 24th, 2009
2:46 pm
ABM –
“Black Death sounds like when I’m ticked off at the world. Wonder how many I could put down.”
well, at least be discriminating about it … if you ever need a list, let me know – I’m happy to supply you with a few names …
josef nix
October 24th, 2009
2:48 pm
DUSTY–I don’t know if he’s been or not…I’ll ask him when he gets home today…his Cherokee folks were of the Ross faction…
USinUK
October 24th, 2009
2:49 pm
jo nix –
” I think it was that cult of personality thingie…”
yep – once he used the phrase “irrational exuberance”, he had the business media eating out of the palm of his hand. as for his testimony before congress, he was always deliberately obtuse – he was the PT Barnum of the economy (PT Barnum got people to pay an entrance fee to see the great egress … “come see the egress … this way to the egress” … for people to realize they paid to see the exit)
he’s a bad, bad man …
josef nix
October 24th, 2009
2:50 pm
ABM, USinUK–got a friend who can get you a deal on some blankets!
USinUK
October 24th, 2009
2:52 pm
anyhoo … happy saturday, ya’ll!
Dusty
October 24th, 2009
2:55 pm
Now now Angry Black Man,
Take your hand off that pistol, quit kicking the furniture and give PART of your award to RW and be nice. No more Black Power moves.
But, if you’re really ticked off, would you give those pilots that flew 120 miles out the way without noticing.. …a few whacks just for the heck of it. I wouldn’t even go para-gliding with them.
I am going to read Schoenenberger’s book ( the NYC Hudson River hero) just to restore my faith in flying.
josef nix
October 24th, 2009
2:56 pm
USinUk–
When Theodore Bilbo was running for Senator from Mississippi he said of his opponent “he’s an admitted homo sapiens.”
Dusty
October 24th, 2009
3:06 pm
Let me CORRECT the spelling of the name of the brave NYC Hudson River pilot. It is Chesley B. Sullenberger.
Now that’s better. He has written a book which sounds interesting.
DoggoneGA
October 24th, 2009
3:07 pm
“(one of the chief reasons I’m not a big Greenspan fan)”
I stopped being a fan back in the Clinton years…when he made dire predictions about the effects of the tax increases, and then was knocked sideways by the fact that the economy got BETTER.
josef nix
October 24th, 2009
3:11 pm
Back in a bit…errands to run…
Angry Black Man
October 24th, 2009
3:30 pm
U-n-U
Since I like you, I’d charge you my discounted rate… FREE!!
Dusty
If I give my trophy up, I’d be like a quitter or waffler. I can’t show weakness, can I? Besides, kicking furniture is sooooooo much fun.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
4:11 pm
Speaking of dementia and blows to the head without a helmet, McLoser McCain has introduced a bill called the Internet Freedom Act, that would block the Federal Communications Commission from making Net neutrality the law of the land.
It would effectively allow Internet service providers to slow down or block Internet content or applications of their choosing.
Like McLoser, Dimwit and the Repubozokins, the bill is going nowhere.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
4:13 pm
The reason McLoser introduced the bill is Cindy is firmly ensconced with her twentysomethin’ boy toys in LA, and he wants to get a little Vicki Iseman nookie from his 31 year old younger lobbyist girlfriend.
RW-(the original)
October 24th, 2009
4:29 pm
Looks like Chadly MQ took a few too many blows to the head too.
Dusty
October 24th, 2009
4:36 pm
ABM.@3:30 I have given deep thought to this issue. Nothing remains but bribery.
Should you return your trophy, you will receive FREE the Brave Bunny Foot warmers, sold only at WalMart!! Brad Pitt has a pair!! Oprah has two pair!! You’ll never be sorry!! A quick answer will also bring you the secret Decoder Ring !!!!
But I must warn you. When you are not wearing your “bunnies” to work, never leave them alone in the closet. They are..well…cuddly!!
Now hurry! Let the brave be honored!! Those with cold feet never serve!!…
Mrs. Godzilla
October 24th, 2009
4:40 pm
Surprise!
Huge juiced up men run directly into each other with the intent to hit and they get
“dain bramage”.
I would think the football leagues would be concerned about the long term legal ramifications and start covering their tails.
‘Course watching that stuff over long periods of time doesn’t seem to do much for the couch potatoe either.
Never much into pro sports, it’s like a violent muddy soap opera.
Dick
October 24th, 2009
4:40 pm
I got cold feet.
Saxby
October 24th, 2009
4:41 pm
I got cold feet too.
Dusty
October 24th, 2009
5:00 pm
Dem feet do make defeat, Duh!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 24th, 2009
5:05 pm
Prince Andrew defended big bonuses on Saturday, saying they were “minute” in the grand scheme of things but were an easy target for people angry at the financial crisis.
Perfect for simpleton Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm, to understand, however.
Class of '98
October 24th, 2009
5:26 pm
Dementia rates are higher for ex-NFL players?
Yeah, so are the Lamborghini-owning rates.
Cry me a river.
Angry Black Man
October 24th, 2009
5:30 pm
Dusty
If they play the Tomahawk Chop music, you’ve got a deal!!!
Lamborghini-driving ex-NFL player
October 24th, 2009
5:31 pm
Where am I. How did I get here.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
5:36 pm
Ah know when ah wants experienced clinical neurosurgical evaluation and commentary ah always turns to RW–king of epidural hematoma treatment (16% survival).
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 24th, 2009
5:39 pm
After Code Pinko fashions the new strategy in Afghanistan, I’m sure that Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm, will be the first one they let know.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
5:40 pm
Corzine passes up Chris Christie the crook who violated federal law while US Attorney in a close race in New Jersey. Christie illegally made loans to a subordinate he also took trips with. Christie billed the federal government for his milage to Mets games in Philly. What could be more on point to US Attorney business than travel to an away Mets game?
Christie also stayed in $600 a night hotels in London billing the US government and took his wife and his friends who weren’t working for the fed but were partying off your dime.
But that’s the Repubozokin way.
There is a chance that a new federal prison will be constructed to house all the hundreds of Repubozo former federal lobbyists and Congressional staffers who are now in the federal prison system. They could call it Elephant Crib.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
5:41 pm
The new strategy in Afghanistan is to put Andy and all the other mouse and bumper sticker patriots who don’t want their kids to go to Afghanistan and avoid talking aboutg a Draft like it was the plague on a tank and let the IEDs fly
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
5:43 pm
mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm The Repubopzokins want their kids in the dorms at UGA rather than on IEDs in Afghanistan. They are deathly afraid of a DRAFT. That’s how much they believe in more troops.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
5:45 pm
From TPMDC:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Responding to news first reported by TPMDC, that the White House is pushing back on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s inclination to include an optional government insurance program in the Senate’s health care bill, one of the left’s most hardline progressive groups is taking aim directly at President Obama.
In an unprecedented move, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee will air a new TV ad, and is gathering signatures on an emergency petition, warning the administration not to support a health care compromise, favored by Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME), that could kill the public option.
The spot will air at least 100 times in Maine, augmented by an online fundraising drive. The group’s recent ad targeting Snowe helped them raise over $100,000.
This is long overdue. Obama has been a wussy putz on health care, and Olyumpia Snowe is a pure bred insurance hooker moron who is pissed because her Empress crown has been knocked off her head this week.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
5:52 pm
Here are the line-ups for the Sunday talk shows this weekend:
• ABC, This Week: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO).
• CBS, Face The Nation: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI).
• CNN, State Of The Union: Dr. , Afghan presidential candidate; Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE), Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA).
• Fox News Sunday: Dr. Abdullah Abdullah, Afghan presidential candidate; Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-AZ).
• NBC, Meet The Press: SEn. John Cornyn (R-TX), Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 24th, 2009
5:54 pm
Why would you need a draft when the democrat plan will be to cut and run, Doctor Dementia?
I'd rather have a V-8
October 24th, 2009
5:56 pm
…David Icke, former football player and sports announcer, was lost in the crowd, talking about a group of “Global Elite” secretly controlling the world (by which he usually meant “the Jews”). Then one day in 1999, he published a book that revealed the greatest secret in human history: We’re all secretly being controlled by alien lizards from the constellation Draco.
In case his word isn’t enough, Icke offers up a convoluted theory about how the elite families in America and Europe interbreed not because of snobbery, but so they can preserve their alien lizard DNA. The British royal family, the Bushes, the Kennedys, the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers are all part of this alien collective. Never mind the fact that Joe Kennedy, Sr. was just some middle-class Irish guy before he built himself up via stock market scams and, possibly, bootlegging. And we don’t know how he’s going to integrate the horribly impoverished Kenyan Obama bloodline into that theory. Probably some drunken lizard uncle who went slumming for a spell.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 24th, 2009
6:01 pm
Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm, puffed up his scrawny little chest and blubbered about Afghanistan being the real war, saying this when he was safely hiding behind Bush of course, but now that he is in charge, eh, maybe all that talk before was just bunch of hot air, like everything else that emerges from a democrat’s pie hole.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
6:20 pm
The Wall Street Lyin Journalopinion page doin’ what only Repubozokins know how to do all the time–lying about the public option (it pretended that the DB libby wasn’t convicted and the conviction wasn’t upheld by the very conservative DC Circuit but of course he was and it was). This time they lie about the public option polls with of course nothing cited to back their lies up. That’s the Repubozokin way.
http://www.slate.com/id/2233308/
Smedley, here!
October 24th, 2009
6:20 pm
In 1933, group of wealthy businessmen that allegedly included the heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush tried to recruit Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President FDR and install a fascist dictatorship in the United States. And yes, we’re talking about the same Prescott Bush who fathered one US President and grandfathered another one.
War is a racket.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
6:20 pm
The only good bush ain’t the family with that name.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
6:25 pm
Jon Walker:
The single greatest political disaster in store for Democrats over the issue of health care reform is not about policy, mandates, or taxes; it is about time. Americans for the most part do not know that they will be forced to wait for three years before reform really starts. (And I’d add for 5 years before most of the p;rovisions of any bill begin).
GOP is Gone
October 24th, 2009
6:30 pm
Jay, I believe this article would have served you better to have been written just before your Cheney piece. As I have recently seen a picture of him in full football regalia,it might explain a lot about that blow hard.
This seems to be another reason for soccer to be more popular in America. After all it requires far more skills and is, in my opinion far more exciting to watch. American football is quite boring to me. They spend more time walking around in between plays than they do actually playing the game. It requires less fitness and more bulk, thus leading to obesity in later life along with the Alzheimers you refer to above. By the way, a BMI over 30 increases your chances of many more illnesses in later life, including but not limited to primary liver cancer. A BMI of over 30 increases your chances of this 5 fold.
Lets vote in the “Fat Tax” in the health care bill. I for one an sick and tired of paying higher premiums for all the fatties out there. I would love to sit around and eat brownies all day long but I know this is not a healthy lifestyle. So I work out routinely and forgo the brownies and have maintained my weight for 30 years. Same goes for the smokers, charge them A LOT more than me please.
Bunch of Ingrates
October 24th, 2009
6:31 pm
For years, Britain had a spiffy trade deal with Iran regarding their prodigious oil fields. The Anglo-Iranian Oil Company was basically a giant money machine for the Anglo half, while the Iranian half got shafted. That all changed in 1951 when Iran nationalized the AIOC and the Iranian parliament elected Mohammed Mossadegh as Prime Minister. When Britain tried to regain control of the AIOC, he gave them the finger.
The nerve! Well!
Jolly old England went to its ally, the United States, and convinced President Eisenhower to help overthrow the democratically elected leader of Iran and install a pro-West monarchy. Together the CIA and British intelligence services funneled guerrilla troops, anti-Mossadegh propaganda and tons of bribes into Iran.
The mostly ceremonial position of Shah of Iran was restored to its former imperial glory, but this time as a puppet of the West. The White House and Tehran became BFFs, and as long as the US government overlooked the numerous human rights abuses happening in Iran, all was well.
Midori
October 24th, 2009
6:43 pm
Dementia is something it appears Andy knows well.
That’s what comes to mind scrolling past his Obama posts.
All hyperventillating, no point.
RW-(the original)
October 24th, 2009
6:57 pm
ABM,
You can breath now.
Dementia rates much higher for Journalism Majors too
October 24th, 2009
6:59 pm
Strange, the “copyright violation” comments keep showing up on my screen, my isp’s server must still have the old copy, and for some reason does not replace it with the new one from the ajc. Ah guess the internet ain’t perfect. I must have missed the two stories Jay cites, as I do not waste my money on the ajc print edition, and almost never read the articles on line.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
7:00 pm
Glenn Beck fails again in trying to shut down parody site:
http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
7:01 pm
AJC is your paper if you want wall to wall coverage of the Atlanta Housepigs.
Dusty
October 24th, 2009
7:12 pm
RW (the original)
Do I detect some jealousy ’cause ABM may soon have a decoder ring just like yours???.(Do you have the tomahawk chop music available?)
RW-(the original)
October 24th, 2009
7:35 pm
Dusty,
I have the satisfaction of knowing I beat him to the answer. Plus don’t tell him but I downloaded all the newest secret codes to my decoder ring and then trashed the web site so nobody else could get them.
I think all it is, is ahhh aah ahahah aah
Dusty
October 24th, 2009
8:02 pm
RW(the original)
My goodness, and all this time I was thinking you were kind hearted. How could you be so cruel??? Was that the Obama Code you placed on the Decoder Ring? ahhh ahahahh thinkkk sooooo.
Jackie
October 24th, 2009
8:04 pm
@I Report
Your post at 9:52am
“I wonder what long term damage is being done to minority populations resulting from crack cocaine usage and senseless violence, seeing how the state run media never wants to broach the subject.
But then again, it isn’t like any government laws against using drugs has ever worked.”
I am sure your empathy is welcomed, but, your facts are not correct. More than 55% of the crack cocaine users are in the majority community. Good try.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
8:08 pm
I’d like to commend Olympia Snowe and the insurance hooker Repubozos who want to do something about healthcare by waiting over a decade to do something if it down’t get better on its own–kind of the Christian Scientist approach to health care.
That’s the bold bipartisan “ahma gonna if it don’t get better in about ten years approach which essentially would kill healthcare reform.
RW-(the original)
October 24th, 2009
8:11 pm
My goodness, and all this time I was thinking you were kind hearted.
Dusty,
You can’t be going around giving out all my secrets. I’ve got an image to maintain you know.
TnGelding
October 24th, 2009
8:27 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 24th, 2009
6:01 pm
You’re ignoring that he has already sent in more troops. The situation has changed considerably since then. Keep your eye on the bouncing ball.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
9:15 pm
Swine Flu is widespread in 46 states as Right Wingnut Whackjob websites advise people not to get the vaccine and states like Georgia have used less than 5% of their supplies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/us/politics/25flu.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
And while shots that can be used in over 49 and pregnant women who are 6X more likely to get it are scarce, stupid people in Georgia are using shots to vaccinate some under 49 when they have boxes and boxes of mist. Several pictures have run in the AJC of just that.
Question
October 24th, 2009
9:19 pm
Good to see other networks not accepting the WH attitude that they control the media —
The Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV networks consulted and decided that none of their reporters would interview Feinberg unless Fox News was included. The pool informed Treasury that Fox News, as a member of the network pool, could not be excluded from such interviews under the rules of the pool.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
9:22 pm
Actually the story that the wingnut whackjobs are circulating that the White House restricted Faux Noise to Feinberg are totally false.
And all the wingnut commenters on sites like this one have adopted the false claims as have the dumb mainstream media.
It seems that Question needs to question its sources as usual. What actually happened was the Faux Noise did not request to be part of the Feinberg pool.
WH: We’re Happy To Exclude Fox, But Didn’t Yesterday With Feinberg Interview
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wh-were-happy-to-exclude-fox-but-didnt-yesterday-with-feinberg-interview.php
What is also stupid is the MSM legitimizes Faux with their stupid poorly researched stories like the one Question parotted that’s false, when Faux Noise is simply right wing Rush Limpballs radio rehashed.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
9:27 pm
What really happened in contrast to the fictional crap Question posted:
Feinberg did a pen and pad with reporters to brief them on cutting executive compensation. TV correspondents, as they do with everything, asked to get the comments on camera. Treasury officials agreed and made a list of the networks who asked (Fox was not among them).
Feinberg did a pen and pad with reporters to brief them on cutting executive compensation. TV correspondents, as they do with everything, asked to get the comments on camera. Treasury officials agreed and made a list of the networks who asked (Fox was not among them).
But logistically, all of the cameras could not get set up in time or with ease for the Feinberg interview, so they opted for a round robin where the networks use one pool camera. Treasury called the White House pool crew and gave them the list of the networks who’d asked for the interview.
The network pool crew noticed Fox wasn’t on the list, was told that they hadn’t asked and the crew said they needed to be included. Treasury called the White House and asked top Obama adviser Anita Dunn. Dunn said yes and Fox’s Major Garrett was among the correspondents to interview Feinberg last night.
Simple as that, we’re told, and the networks don’t want to be seen as heroes for Fox.
TPMDC spoke with a network bureau chief this afternoon familiar with the situation who was surprised that Fox was portraying the news as networks coming to its rescue.
“If any member had been excluded it would have been the same thing, it has nothing to do with Fox or the White House or the substance of the issues,” the bureau chief said. “It’s all for one and one for all.”
A Treasury spokesperson added: “There was no plot to exclude Fox News, and they had the same interview that their competitors did. Much ado about absolutely nothing.”
But the White House isn’t backing down from its feud with Fox.
“This White House has demonstrated our willingness to exclude Fox News from newsmaking interviews, but yesterday we did not,” said White House spokesman Josh Earnest.
An administration source wondered if the networks were annoyed Fox disclosed logistical negotiations since they are treated as off the record, but the bureau chief did not view this in the same light as discussions about, for example, the president going to Iraq.
As for the ongoing battle, Earnest said: “The president and other high ranking officials and people like Ken Feinberg have done interviews with Fox in the past and will do them in the future.”
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
9:29 pm
Many area hospitals are sitting on vaccine this weekend in the form of shots that could be used for people over 50 and pregnant women because while they have been offered to caretakers, less than 50% of them have agreed to be vaccinated leaving the hospitals’ supply of H1N1 shots horded in boxes while ordinary people who want the shots have no access to them and are on the firing line for H1N1.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Ate Up With Envy mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
October 24th, 2009
9:36 pm
Thanks, Doctor Dementia, I wasn’t 100% sure that Fox had won that battle but after reading your mindless democrat propaganda, now I know they did.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
9:39 pm
Fox and the right wingnut whackjobs win only the title of biggest crybabies who participate in no decisions that matter.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
9:40 pm
Fox was also not excluded from anything the other day, but being the BSitters they are and the Bsitters the extremist sliver is they cried like they had.
The truth will be widely circulated by tomorrow at noon.
Greg Mendel
October 24th, 2009
9:45 pm
As I see it, conservatives think Obama is the ruination of the country. Maybe he is. But where are any — ANY — realistic Republican ideas about health care, Afghanistan, financial market excesses, or anything else? Pretending “there are no problems” is not a solution to a myriad of problems.
Left or Right, people are losing jobs. Conservatives are correct in claiming that the Federal government/budget can’t pay the unemployed. Conservatives are wrong if they cite the old Reagan claptrap about making the rich richer as a means to restore the country. The rich have laid the country low. They turned constructive capitalism into a greed machine that has screwed the poor, the rich, the entrepreneurs, and the entire middle class and their great-grandchildren.
Do you want to have fights, silly blog gotchas — or do you want to deal with problems that have been growing for years? Casting blame is easy. Solving problems is serious.
Anybody got any ideas instead of assaults?
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October 24th, 2009
9:49 pm
Greg- Yeah, let’s impeach Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
Problem solved.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
9:52 pm
You betcha. We need a viable medicare based public option to stop the runaway costs for insurance premiums and the widespread pandemic abuse where insurance companies drop women when they get breast cancer and both sexes of all ages when they get significantly sick.
The Medicare cut for phyisicains which is 20% is going to have to be fixed by separate legislation or a health care bill and this cannot be posponed 3-5 years like all 5 of the health care bills would do with nothing kicking in until 2013.
If the Medicare cuts aren’t fixed, I can gurantee physicians will drop Medicare patients in significant numbers as has been done for years with Medicaid.
Plan for Afghanistan and Iraq; Bring all the troops home now. We have accomplished nothing and lost thousands of lives and 3 trillion plus in Iraq.
We are repeating Iraq and Viet Nam with Afghanistan right now.
There is no viable partner either in the form of Afghanistan troops or other countries in Afghanistan.
j$
October 24th, 2009
10:06 pm
“Do you want to have fights, silly blog gotchas — or do you want to deal with problems that have been growing for years? Casting blame is easy. Solving problems is serious.”
I agree Greg, but as we have seen from the left the last 8 years, it’s not about solving difficult problems or allowing time to complete the fruition of action. It’s about scoring cheap political points based on the headline of the day.
At least Bush took a stand for what seemed right at the time. Obama stands around with his finger in the wind and fails to uphold his promises of “change”. (what does that tell you?)
People were “hoping” for a leader and are disgusted they haven’t seen it…
Iraq is not a failure. And since Obama has taken over, Afgan is in danger of failure.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
10:23 pm
Why is it not okay to borrow money to pay for health care, but perfectly fine to borrow huge sums of money from China and Japan in the endless “war” in Afghanistan and the war debt to increase 17% over the next ten years?
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
10:27 pm
Iran Trying to Install Windows 7
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/iran-trying-to-install-mi_b_332769.html
If they can make nuclear bombs why the hell should installing Windows 7 which can be done blindfolded require a gaggle of people from Redmond in Tehran?
j$
October 24th, 2009
10:29 pm
Windows7 is sweet.
They have a special version just for the Iranians.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 24th, 2009
10:32 pm
Bush nominee for Homeland Security Bernie Kerik will continue to eat crap food and watch BET videos in the TV room, because his appeal for bond was denied today. Kerik ran the NYC jails; now he is test driving them.
Sunshine and Thunder
October 24th, 2009
10:35 pm
This is great. Jay is worried about football injuries but not million dollar sports salaries.
jewcowboy
October 25th, 2009
12:50 am
Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let ‘em crash.
jewcowboy
October 25th, 2009
12:53 am
hey…did anyone notice it gets dark at night…that and people who get repeated blows to the head might have brain injuries leading to dementia.
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October 25th, 2009
5:58 am
Obama saw red with Fox early!!!!!- Fox talk hosts promoted, and in some cases participated in, Tea Party Patriot protests against Obama policies.!!!!!!-Urinal
The horror!!!!!!
Listen to the AJC, democrat party propaganda rag, whine.
Alice in Wonderland.
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October 25th, 2009
7:13 am
It’s telling that the Obama administration hasn’t marshaled any evidence for its claim beyond pointing to the shows of Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, which are expressly opinion content. This is just as absurd as saying the Washington Post isn’t a news organization because it publishes opinion columns by Eugene Robinson and E.J. Dionne. – Wingnut, Urinal
Born in Iowa but a Minnesotan by age 12, (Michelle) Bachmann acquired what she calls “her family’s Hubert Humphrey knee-jerk liberalism.” She and her husband danced at Jimmy Carter’s inauguration.
Shortly thereafter, however, she was riding on a train and reading Gore Vidal’s novel “Burr,” which is suffused with that author’s jaundiced view of America.
“I set the book down on my lap, looked out the window and thought: That’s not the America I know.” She volunteered for Reagan in 1980. – George Will
Nor will it ever be the America the liberals think it is.
Fox speaks on behalf of the real United States and is hated for it, while millions watch Fox and wonder what Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm, is having such a hissy fit over.
They think you are too stupid to judge a news organization on your own merits, er, I mean they think you liberals are too stupid to judge a news organization on your own merits.
All together now, mouth breathers, Fox, ewww.
Normal
October 25th, 2009
8:41 am
Fox lies, the President lies, the Republicans lie, the Democrats lie…business as usual in D.C. Get used to it.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 25th, 2009
1:14 pm
Biggest joke this week. Cheney accusing anyone of dithering on Afghanistan when he did it for 8 years.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 25th, 2009
1:18 pm
So the Repuboputzotards want to keep borrowing from the Chinese and Japanese on Afghanistan and Iraq but to deny basic health care over budget concerns.
And victory in Iraq continues with 132 people blown to bits in synchronized car bombings. The Repuboputzotards measure victory by how many body parts get scattered in the streets of Iraq. Repubozos continue to be the death party.
Repubozoputzotard web sites push refusing the H1N1 vaccine. Another way for them to push death. How many repuboputzotards will die in the next few months because they refused the vaccine? Stay tuned.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 25th, 2009
1:19 pm
Yeah Yeah. Victory in Iraq:
Iraq Ministries Targeted in Car Bombings; Over 130 Dead
USA USA USA
Sounds like victory to me. 2nd time in a month.
buttman
October 27th, 2009
4:28 pm
You have to be pretty retarded to play football to begin with, so maybe there in no causality between the nature of the game and dementia later in life. It is like concluding that people that commit suicide live unhealthy lives because they have a shorter life expectancy than the overall population; The facit is of course that they are mentally unfit.