Obama, Washington ready to pander to older voters

With inflation non-existent at the moment, there will be no automatic boost to Social Security this year. So President Obama proposed Wednesday to send checks of $250 to every Social Security beneficiary, regardless of income level, at an estimated cost of $13 billion.

“Even as we seek to bring about recovery, we must act on behalf of those hardest hit by this recession,” Obama said. “That is why I am announcing my support for an additional $250 in emergency recovery assistance to seniors, veterans, and people with disabilities to help them make it through these difficult times.”

That’s unnecessary and even wrong. Yes, folks on fixed incomes have taken a hit in this mess, particularly those in the stock market. But they are not those who have been hardest hit in this recession. I’d argue that in general, working people with families have been hit harder than the 57 million Americans who would receive bonus checks early next year. In many cases they’ve lost jobs, homes and medical insurance.

But given the beneficiaries of this idea — older people who vote — few people of either party in Congress are likely to question or oppose it.

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I Report :-) You Whine :-( O Stands For Zero

October 15th, 2009
3:51 pm

Obozo pander?????????!!!!!!?????

No way, mmm, mmmmm, mmmm!

I Report :-) You Whine :-( O Stands For Zero

October 15th, 2009
3:53 pm

A whole big 250 is an insult but you government dependents are too ill to see it.

RW-(the original)

October 15th, 2009
3:53 pm

One thing for sure. Obama is going to make sure there’s never a year without inflation again.

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The balloon was empty on landing. I hope that’s good news.

Jimmy Carter

October 15th, 2009
3:59 pm

Like this pandering should come as a shock?

Big O just pandered to the gays.

He pandered to the IOC (with fabulous results I might say)

He pandered to the “close Gitmo” crowd. How did that work out?

He pandered to the “try the Bush administration officials” crowd.

He pandered to the “hope and change” crowd with promises of holding unemployment to 8%.

He pandered to the “global warming” crowd during one of the earliest winters on record.

“Opander” might be a good nickname.

MAC

October 15th, 2009
4:07 pm

Jay, we actually agree on something. We’re in a deflationary period, so this is just buying votes with government money, plain and simple.

You can’t legally bribe people to vote, but then again, you can!

every mothers son

October 15th, 2009
4:08 pm

According to all the right wingers here CNN is the bastion for liberal news. But, whoa a second
what’s this?

CNN Admits That On-Air Commentator Has Ties To Insurance Industry, Promises Full Disclosure……Wow kinda nips that liberal slant in the bud don’t you think! Then add in Blitzer, King,
The cookie monster Crowley, Bay Buchanan, and what do you have not hardly liberal programming

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/cnn-admits-that-on-air-commentator-worked-for-insurance-industry-promises-full-disclosure/

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:08 pm

But given the beneficiaries of this idea — older people who vote — few people of either party in Congress are likely to question or oppose it.

Whatever happened to the good old days when you could buy a vote for a pint. Inflation! It’s just killin’ us.

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:11 pm

I think they should hand out hundred dollar bills to everyone that comes out to vote in the elections. Well, maybe a voucher or something instead, for security reasons. After all, we don’t want to give the NRA reason to push for concealed weapons at the polls too.

AmVet

October 15th, 2009
4:11 pm

Does this offset his death panels?

Sarah BarraClueless will be thrilled!

Mrs. Godzilla

October 15th, 2009
4:13 pm

In Semi-Defense of Obama’s Social Security Pandering

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/10/in-semi-defense-of-obamas-social-security-pandering.php

Our Mimi probably would have spent it on Christmas for the grandkids….

Tom

October 15th, 2009
4:17 pm

Send those checks. And charge em to the family estates of BushDrunk #1 and BushDrunk # 2.

Paul

October 15th, 2009
4:17 pm

Democrats have been alienating a key constituency – seniors. Time to buy them back?

Maybe he thinks they’ll forget about the half a billion Democrats want to cut from Medicare?

Hopefully they’ll think they’re being bought and will have enough generational sense to reject being treated like political whores.

I wonder how the Democrats’ other constituency – unions – will treat this news? “Hey, so what if prices have dropped. We want an increase. Obama did it!”

Question is, even if seniors recognize this for what it is, will they tell Congress to kill itk?

HA!

But I’m seeing a trend here. Democratic politicians do something…. pandering, stupid (pick your word) and other Democrats call them on it. Nice.

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:19 pm

Darn it! Now he’s gonna have to cancel another F-22 order to pay for this humanitarian vote getting tool.

jconservative

October 15th, 2009
4:20 pm

My congressman, Jim Marshall, gets a VOTE NO email today.

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:20 pm

Maybe he thinks they’ll forget about the half a billion Democrats want to cut from Medicare?

I have not heard about those cuts. You gotta link. Then again, a half billion is pocket change.

Paul

October 15th, 2009
4:21 pm

every mothers son

[[According to all the right wingers here CNN is the bastion for liberal news. But, whoa a second
what’s this?

CNN Admits That On-Air Commentator Has Ties To Insurance Industry, Promises Full Disclosure……Wow kinda nips that liberal slant in the bud don’t you think! ]]

Nope.

Many of us thought being bought by the Insurance Industry had nothing to do with being conservative or liberal.

We saw what happened at the White House.

jewcowboy

October 15th, 2009
4:24 pm

AmVet,

“Does this offset his death panels?”

Fine print:
“By cashing this check, you agree to the most expeditious form of death available to the government, which may include either of the Clintons or Obama’s coming to your house to rip your still beating heart from your chest.”

Strangely enough this was the fine print in the contract when I signed up for my checking account at Chase.

RW-(the original)

October 15th, 2009
4:24 pm

Speaking of stupid

Senators diverted $2.6 billion in funds in a defense spending bill to pet projects largely at the expense of accounts that pay for fuel, ammunition and training for U.S. troops, including those fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to an analysis.

Among the 778 such projects, known as earmarks, packed into the bill: $25 million for a new World War II museum at the University of New Orleans and $20 million to launch an educational institute named after the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat.

So will these 778 earmarks get signed into law along with a speech by Obama saying that going forward we can’t do these things or will he veto it and live up to his word from the last time he made that speech? My guess is he’ll split the difference and sign it without a peep knowing the overwhelming majority of the media are his toadies that won’t say anything either.

OK, I guess it’s not like they won’t say anything. They’ll say Fox is trying to destroy the country by telling you about where your tax dollars are being diverted to.

TnGelding

October 15th, 2009
4:28 pm

Well, I’ve already had my say on this at Cynthia’s place, although my best comments got lost in cyberspace or were censored.

Now you’re talking!

“Leading Blue Dog wants Medicare for uninsured”

“Blue Dog Rep. Mike Ross, who made headlines by rejecting a compromise he’d negotiated on a public health insurance option, has suggested to Democratic leaders that the government-run Medicare program be opened to those without insurance.”

“While I do not support a government-run public option, I do believe there are numerous other alternatives worth review and have presented and discussed many of these ideas in a concerted effort to advance the legislative process,” Ross said in his statement.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/63281-leading-blue-dog-suggests-opening-medicare-to-all

(But it doesn’t go far enough. Keep talking!)

Paul

October 15th, 2009
4:32 pm

Mrs. Godzilla 4:13

“Well, the administration’s gonna do something really stupid and opportunistic, but at least they’re doing it in a way that won’t be as stupid as what they could have done!”

That takes spin to whole new levels. LOLOL!!!

“Hey, I was gonna go off my diet anyway, so I ate only a half a pie. I coulda ate an entire cake. Gimme some credit!”

Taxpayer

Seriously. You haven’t heard about the proposed half a billion cut to Medicare to pay for insuring the uninsureds? What news sources aren’t covering this?

Not to be snarky, but asking for a link is kinda like asking for a link to the statement Pres Obama sent more troops to Afghanistan.

It’s what caused so much anger among seniors. The ones Spkr Pelosi called Astroturf (bad move, time to repair the damage).

But okay:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=democrats+want+to+cut+medicare+to+pay+for+health+care+reform&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS343US344&ie=UTF-8

And you are correct. $500 million isn’t all that much.

I mistyped.

Democrats want to cut $500 BILLION from Medicare.

Thanks for the catch.

josef nix

October 15th, 2009
4:32 pm

Oh, that half a billion has been quite the lighthearted moment. How to recoup it? According to those behind it, it will be recovered by “weeding out the fraud.” As one pundit said, “duh, isn’t that supposed to be going on anyway?”

Yadro

October 15th, 2009
4:34 pm

He already broke a big promise to a lot of Seniors: “I will end income tax for all Seniors making less than $50,000 dollars a year.” Obammy. Don’t trust him Seniors.

Paul

October 15th, 2009
4:35 pm

RW-(the original) 4:24

I posted something similar earlier today. I believe the only comment was from @@. At least some Liberals are learning to not try to defend the indefensible.

But you illustrate a good point – such are the reasons the Administration hates Fox and all their lies. I mean, embarrassing stories.

TnGelding

October 15th, 2009
4:36 pm

Yadro

October 15th, 2009
4:34 pm

Most of us aren’t paying anything already. But we should be.

josef nix

October 15th, 2009
4:36 pm

Paul…
Speaker Pelosi and “bad move” Isn’t that redundant?

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:37 pm

Where are all those DoD dollars going. Inquiring minds and all. We know that each troops only costs a mere one million per year and F-22s are only what, a few hundred million each these days. Of course, that does not include tax, tag, delivery and dealer prep. But, all that totaled barely makes a dent in the 670 billion annual total.

jewcowboy

October 15th, 2009
4:37 pm

The death panels will solve all of these issues.

josef nix

October 15th, 2009
4:39 pm

Yadro @
“I will end income tax for all Seniors making less than $50,000 dollars a year.”

And just like DADT, Ima Gonna will do it first-person singular.

every mothers son

October 15th, 2009
4:40 pm

Paul…. You might want to pay attention! I said CNN is the bastion for liberal news, Notice the news part?

I know that 3/4 of the politicians are bought and paid for by the insurance industry……….

Paul

October 15th, 2009
4:40 pm

TnGelding

That brings up something I’ve wondered about.

Many Americans have health insurance. It doesn’t cover everything. They have to make choices. Doesn’t cover dental, glasses, stuff like that (I think).

But poor people on Medicaid have what amount to a Cadillac health policy. Is there anything not covered?

And people in jail – whoo boy, if you want good health care, to to prison. California just had an uproar – Fed judge took over prison health, administrator tried to put through… aromatherapy. Burning candles and incense and stuff. Really. It’s health care.

Seems something’s lost in the balancing act.

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:42 pm

Yes, Paul, I was playing with you on the half billion mis-type. But, seriously, give me a link to an article or source of your choice that outlines this 500 billion dollar cut that your claim. Seriously.

RW-(the original)

October 15th, 2009
4:43 pm

I know the transition is hard folks but you need to wean yourself off the B word and practice the T word.

It’s a half trillion in “fraud and waste” that can be recouped from Medicare, but only after some massive new legislation is passed. Too bad we can’t just go recoup it now…..

Paul

October 15th, 2009
4:44 pm

josef nix

:-)

every mother’s son

I read your post a couple of times. Said conservatives think CNN’s the bastion for liberal news. Then talked about one of their commentators being in the pocket of the insurance industry.

I don’t see how that disproves the idea CNN’s the bastion for liberal news as many conservatives think many liberals in the media are bought and paid for.

I just don’t see the connection. No big deal.

jewcowboy

October 15th, 2009
4:44 pm

Paul,

“And people in jail – whoo boy, if you want good health care, to to prison. California just had an uproar – Fed judge took over prison health, administrator tried to put through… aromatherapy. Burning candles and incense and stuff. Really. It’s health care.”

That’s simply putting a scented candle next to you as you bleed out from the shiv to your spleen.

jt

October 15th, 2009
4:47 pm

The Blue Dog Democrats who listen to their constituents,,,,,,,,I SALUTE you!!!!!! May Lady Liberty smile upon you.

Rep. Mike Arcuri, New York, 24th District, (202) 347-3042
Rep. Joe Baca, California, 43rd District, (202) 488-1528
Rep. John Barrow, Georgia, 12th District, (202) 285-0966
Rep. Melissa Bean, Illinois, 8th District, (202) 204-9050
Rep. Marion Berry, Arkansas, 1st District, (202) 543-5777
Rep. Sanford Bishop, Georgia, 2nd District
Rep. Dan Boren, Oklahoma, 2nd District, (202) 454-5262
Rep. Leonard Boswell, Iowa, 3rd District, (202) 547-1334
Rep. Allen Boyd, Florida, 2nd District, (202) 543-5777
Rep. Dennis Cardoza, California, 18th District, (703) 536-6881
Rep. Chris Carney, Pennsylvania, 10th District, 202) 737-5877
Rep. Ben Chandler, Kentucky, 6th District, (202) 454-5262
Rep. Jim Cooper, Tennessee, 5th District, 202) 543-5777
Rep. Jim Costa, California, 20th District, (202) 347-3042
Rep. Bud Cramer, Alabama, 5th District, (256) 539-0902
Rep. Lincoln Davis, Tennessee, 4th District, (202) 543-5777
Rep. Joe Donnelly, Indiana, 2nd District, (202) 488-1445
Rep. Brad Ellsworth, Indiana, 8th District, (703) 354-7444
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona, 8th District, (202) 454-5262
Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand, New York, 20th District, (718) 344-8025
Rep. Bart Gordon, Tennessee, 6th District, 1-800-444-BART
Rep. Jane Harman, California, 36th District, (202) 204-9050
Rep. Baron Hill, Indiana, 9th District, (202) 285-0966
Rep. Tim Holden, Pennsylvania, 17th District, (202) 737-5877 Rep. Nick Lampson, Texas, 22nd District, (202) 544-3151
Rep. Tim Mahoney, Florida, 16th District, (202) 741-7325
Rep. Jim Marshall, Georgia, 8th District, (478) 742-1100
Rep. Jim Matheson, Utah, 2nd District, (703) 354-7444
Rep. Charlie Melancon, Louisiana, 3rd District, (202) 479-2527
Rep. Mike McIntyre, North Carolina, 7th District, (910) 738-8683
Rep. Mike Michaud, Maine, 2nd District, (202) 488-1445
Rep. Dennis Moore, Kansas, 3rd District, (202) 347-3042
Rep. Patrick Murphy, Pennsylvania, 8th District, (202) 488-1445
Rep. Collin Peterson, Minnesota, 7th District, (202) 543-5777
Rep. Earl Pomeroy, North Dakota, At-Large, (202) 347-3042
Rep. Mike Ross, Arkansas, 4th District, (202) 454-5262
Rep. John Salazar, Colorado, 3rd District, (202) 479-2527
Rep. Loretta Sanchez, California, 47th District, (714) 839-4431
Rep. Stephanie Sandlin, South Dakota, At-Large, (202) 347-3042
Rep. Adam Schiff, California, 29th District, (202) 544-3536
Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina, 11th District, (202) 544-3536
Rep. David Scott, Georgia, 13th District, (202) 488-1445
Rep. Zack Space, Ohio, 18th District, (202) 347-3042
Rep. John Tanner, Tennessee, 8th District, (202) 543-5777
Rep. Gene Taylor, Mississippi, 4th District, (228) 466-3933
Rep. Mike Thompson, California, 1st District, (202) 543-5777
Rep. Charlie Wilson, Ohio, 6th District, (202) 544-3536

Paul

October 15th, 2009
4:47 pm

Taxpayer

I gave you a link to Google search engine after typing something like “Democrats plan to cut medicare to pay for health care reform.”

But here’s one: “Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee closed ranks Wednesday in the face of Republican attacks over proposed Medicare cuts at the heart of health-care legislation.”

Didja get that? Democrats want to cut Medicare. Republicans attack them for it. Is your head spinning yet?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125371567686934179.html

AmVet

October 15th, 2009
4:48 pm

Don’t worry good peeps!

As soon as the BushCo Recovery fully kicks in, we’ll all be on easy street.

In the meantime, just be prepared to sell some organs on ebay…

Jimmy Carter

October 15th, 2009
4:49 pm

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:11 pm

ACORN already tried that.

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:50 pm

jewcowboy

October 15th, 2009
4:37 pm
The death panels will solve all of these issues.

Amen brother. And, power to the green, the soylent green. It is our future. All hail the death panel for they give life after death.

RW-(the original)

October 15th, 2009
4:50 pm

Paul,

I’ve had a heckuva time with the site and my security software not getting along today so I’m having to keep this isolated in a separate browser session just to stay on this thread so I’m not even attempting to go back and read the others, but it won’t hurt for people to see that story more than once. Lord knows when anything Republicans do hits the HuffPo front page we instantly get 16 copies of it.

If anybody at the AJC is interested the problem is happening when you run the javascript for yieldmanager any time this page loads.

Paul

October 15th, 2009
4:51 pm

jewcowboy

I debated including that. It was more an example of an ou of control bureaucrat, I think.

But there are many cases of levels of care that surpass what people with private insurance get.

Read an account a while back of a state that was a meth capital. Lots of arrests. People had rotted out teeth. Counties were running up huge bills as the jail/prison system was rebuilding their teeth.

What says the level of care needs to include dentures, implants, etc?

Just a thought -

Dusty

October 15th, 2009
4:51 pm

Paul,

I had read about Medicare cuts. I think the Prescription plan companies have also heard about it. One of my ralatives is on SS disability. He has already received a letter from the company who handled his medications last year. They are discontinuing their program. Find a new company for next year they wrote..

I wonder how many companies are doing the same thing.

I wonder how many doctors are going to refuse Medicare patients who have no other insurance.

josef nix

October 15th, 2009
4:52 pm

RW

“I know the transition is hard folks but you need to wean yourself off the B word and practice the T word.”

I realized that after I typed it. How long before we’re dealing in quadrillions? We’re looking more like Argentina with each speech from Obamita from his very own Casa Rosada…

jconservative

October 15th, 2009
4:53 pm

Taxpayer

Only cut I know of on Medicare is the desire to cut Medicare Advantage.
About $150 Billion over 10 years.

Hope this helps.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: O Stands For Zero

October 15th, 2009
4:53 pm

In what may be the ultimate job rating, 43 percent of voters say that they would vote to re-elect President Obama if the 2012 election were held today, down from 52 percent six months ago, from April 22-23, 2009.-FoxNews

How you liking that fight you picked so far, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm?

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:54 pm

Paul

October 15th, 2009
4:47 pm
Taxpayer

I gave you a link to Google search engine after typing something like “Democrats plan to cut medicare to pay for health care reform.”

But here’s one: “Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee closed ranks Wednesday in the face of Republican attacks over proposed Medicare cuts at the heart of health-care legislation.”

Didja get that? Democrats want to cut Medicare. Republicans attack them for it. Is your head spinning yet?

Gee, and I was so hoping to see you point me to that 500 billion dollar cut. Is it buried away in the text and I just missed it.

AmVet

October 15th, 2009
4:54 pm

josef,

Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: “Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed.”

“OH NO!” the President exclaims. “That’s terrible!”

His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.

Finally, the President looks up and asks, “How many is a brazillion?”

Shawny

October 15th, 2009
4:55 pm

I am sure that to manage, coordinate, print the checks, etc. it cost more than $250 per check. Govt hard at ‘work’.

And we trust them with healthcare??

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:56 pm

jconservative

October 15th, 2009
4:53 pm
Taxpayer

Only cut I know of on Medicare is the desire to cut Medicare Advantage.
About $150 Billion over 10 years.

Hope this helps.

Thanks. I already know about THAT one. I was inquiring about the remaining 350 billion cut.

@@

October 15th, 2009
4:57 pm

Pandering?

I call it condescending, and nobody does it better than Obama.

O.K., now I’m embarrassed for him.

Pitifully hopeless.

“““““““““““““““
Dusty:

I just read your post downstairs. You always make my day.

RW-(the original)

October 15th, 2009
4:58 pm

My kids quit repeating the same jokes over and over when they were about four.

Dr. DryFinger, ObamaCare Health Czar

October 15th, 2009
4:59 pm

“In the meantime, just be prepared to sell some organs on ebay…”

Citizen AmVet-

That is against federal law.

Thank you.

Carry on.

josef nix

October 15th, 2009
4:59 pm

jt

Keep your eye on Rep. Gene Taylor, the Mississippi Democrat who was elected from one of the most GOP districts in the nation. He’s on Ima Gonna’s b*tt right now over Katrina and the administration’s ties to those interests with their foot dragging on paying up…

Kamchak

October 15th, 2009
5:03 pm

Warren Buffet

October 15th, 2009
5:11 pm

I can’t wait for my $250 government check. I think I will get together with some of those hot Cox or Walton heiresses and buy ‘em some Cherry Cokes with my well deserved SS checks.

All billionaires working or not should be getting all they can from SS.

Ha ha hah ha suckers!

josef nix

October 15th, 2009
5:11 pm

Dusty (from downstairs)
“…stir the antilles of these great minds…”
ooo…that’s a good one! :-)

AmVet–
A Brazillion! I like that!

Organs? You need to go talk to a rabbi!

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:13 pm

Dusty

We already have far too many doctors who refuse new Medicare patients. Cut the rates further and it’ll just accelerate.

But as has been pointed out, it’s all waste that’s being cut so seniors won’t notice anything.

And from an earlier exchange today: //sarc//

Taxpayer 4:54

When I gave you the first link to Google it provided you about 270,000 links.

Then at 4:47 I provided a single link.

Did you miss it?

Pogo

October 15th, 2009
5:13 pm

I agree with Jay. The sad part is, Obama isn’t going to buy the seniors vote for a $250 check. The seniors in this country are savy enough to know that they are about to shat upon by what is turning out to be one of Americas most socialistic/fascistic administrations. To the Liberals, the young are the important ones as they are vibrant and can produce the most for the “collective”. The old are are to be shoved aside and are considered parasites to the “collective” since they are less productive.
Obama and crew are nothing but classic socialists-leaning-towards-communists. Lenin would have been proud of Obama.

Paul, Go easy on Mrs. Godzilla and all the other liberal elders on this blog. They have nothing else to do all day but peck away on a meaningless website and wait for the government to send them their next check. Age induced liberal dimentia is an ugly thing to witness. People that say “this is your sign!” or use the phrase “neo-conned” over and over and over again are long gone dude. Loud yes. Relavent, no. The way of the modern liberal.

@@

October 15th, 2009
5:13 pm

“Hey, I was gonna go off my diet anyway, so I ate only a half a pie. I coulda ate an entire cake. Gimme some credit!”

Good for you, Paul. I knew my advice would have an impact.

ISH

Dr. DryFinger, ObamaCare Health Czar

October 15th, 2009
5:14 pm

josef nix -

One republican gets 24/7 publicity, while the 50+ blue-dogs get none on the “real” news networks.

funny.

Gene Taylor will receive a 1 million yuan community block grant and will suddenly see the light.

Hallalujah!!!!!

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:16 pm

Pogo 5:13

I have some pretty interesting discussions with Mrs. Godzilla and others. I don’t think in terms of ‘going easy’ or anything else – just sharing viewpoints and having some fun doing so.

@@

You’re in my brain!!! Aauuuggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

(PS I’ve never eaten that much in my life)

@@

October 15th, 2009
5:17 pm

AmVet turned his organ over to jay earlier today.

Couldn’t resist.

I’m ashamed of myself.

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
5:19 pm

Jimmy Carter

October 15th, 2009
4:49 pm
Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
4:11 pm

ACORN already tried that

They did! When? And, how did it work out? You got any data.

pat

October 15th, 2009
5:19 pm

Anybody wanna let obama know he won so he could stop campaining? It’s getting old.

MAC

October 15th, 2009
5:20 pm

Not buying it, Kamchak, running on a platform to cut taxes for all versus cutting $250 checks for seniors only is apples and oranges.

Dusty

October 15th, 2009
5:23 pm

@@

Thanks for the kind words. I wouldn’t have known about the bunnies if you hadn’t told us.

AMVET

That’s a pretty good joke about the “Brazilians” but you got the names wrong. It was Gates telling Obama the facts. But then it isn’t a joke. Just real….

MAC

October 15th, 2009
5:23 pm

Pogo, how could you forget: “Chill. He’s got this” !

Normal

October 15th, 2009
5:25 pm

Kamchak

October 15th, 2009
5:03 pm

Yeah boy! We really sold our souls for that tax rebate. Fortunately I did my penitence. I gave my rebate to a charity and was able to claim it as a deduction…ain’t I a stinker? :D

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
5:28 pm

When I gave you the first link to Google it provided you about 270,000 links.

Then at 4:47 I provided a single link.

Did you miss it?

What! You think I’m going to search through your 270,000 hits in search of one that supports your claim of 500 billion in cuts. Dude!

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:30 pm

Taxpayer

Did you get that link about the half a trillion dollars Democrats want to cut from Medicare?

Point was made earlier – that’s one reason some seniors showed up at the Astroturf rallies and why we had video clips of seniors so upset they told Congressmen to “keep your government hands off my Social Security.”

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:31 pm

Taxpayer 5:28

No, I thought you might just click on one.

Are we getting to the point when you come up against something extremely embarrassing to Democrats so you go off on tangents rather than discuss the issue?

Kamchak

October 15th, 2009
5:32 pm

…running on a platform to cut taxes for all versus cutting $250 checks for seniors is apples and oranges.

Let’s look at the relevant comment:

You can’t legally bribe people to vote, but then again, you can!

I would agree if you had limited your comments by saying ” You can’t legally bribe seniors to vote, but then again, you can!

But you didn’t place any caveats on your comments–therefore apples = apples.

josef nix

October 15th, 2009
5:32 pm

pat

“Anybody wanna let obama know he won so he could stop campaining? It’s getting old.”

Hey, don’t knock it. It won him a Nobel Prize.

Dr. DryFinger, ObamaCare Health Czar
@ 5:14

Taylor can put Rahmbo Emmanuel in the shade when it comes to, uh, telling it like it is.

Brad Steel

October 15th, 2009
5:32 pm

Pogo delivers this winning observation: Loud yes. Relavent (sic), no. The way of the modern liberal.

Uh yeah, the last election was a real coup for you oh-so-relevant conservative types. Now, go back to your reassuring world in AM radio or your DVR full of Fox and Friends and the bigGlenn Beck Show.

Your relevance and intelligence are just waiting to be refreshed.

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
5:33 pm

Dr. DryFinger, ObamaCare Health Czar

October 15th, 2009
4:59 pm
“In the meantime, just be prepared to sell some organs on ebay…”

Citizen AmVet-

That is against federal law.

Thank you.

Carry on.

Cash and Carry On! It’s the only way to fly.

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:34 pm

Taxpayer

Okay, here’s that single link again:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125371567686934179.html

And if you focus on the messenger rather than the facts, here’s one from Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/28/republicans-fight-plans-t_n_301691.html

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
5:35 pm

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:31 pm
Taxpayer 5:28

No, I thought you might just click on one.

No. Why don’t you pick one that has your 500 billion dollar cut discussed.

jt

October 15th, 2009
5:36 pm

Josef-
“Keep your eye on Rep. Gene Taylor, the Mississippi Democrat who was elected from one of the most GOP districts in the nation. He’s on Ima Gonna’s b*tt right now over Katrina and the administration’s ties to those interests with their foot dragging on paying up…”

Nothing better than politicos having to work for a living. For a demo, he seems pretty cool.
Our “unbiased” news networks are strangely silent about how big home insurance screws homeowners and tax-payers. That flood-insurance racket is a perfect example of Government involvement.

Can’t wait for ObamaCare.

Normal

October 15th, 2009
5:37 pm

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:37 pm

Taxpayer

See my 5:34.

This is why some don’t want to vote for health care reform. In order to make the numbers work, Democrats are employing what one past director of the Office of Management and Budget called the ‘magic asterisk.’ You just put in an asterisk with a footnote that says ’savings to be determined later.’

Half a trillion is a mighty big asterisk.

RW-(the original)

October 15th, 2009
5:43 pm

josef,

Looks like there really was some campaigning going on for that Nobel

OSLO (Reuters) – Most members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee initially argued against awarding the 2009 Peace Prize to President Barack Obama before agreeing to the choice, Norway’s top-selling daily Verdens Gang (VG) said on Thursday.

The paper said three of five members had objections during the early phases of the process, but were persuaded in favor of Obama mainly by the chairman of the committee, former Prime Minister Thorbjoern Jagland.

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:44 pm

Taxpayer

Don’t tell me you’re furiously searching through MediaMatters or ThinkProgress for articles that will refute the fact Democrats are funding much of health care reform by cutting seniors’ benefit.

You’re wasting your time.

Jimmy Carter

October 15th, 2009
5:45 pm

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
5:19 pm

They did register many polar bears, but like many of the other dead and fictional people they registered, they did so too late for the November election.

Normal

October 15th, 2009
5:46 pm

Normal

October 15th, 2009
5:48 pm

Jay, I told you I was going to start a day early… :D

Nail Aluminum

October 15th, 2009
5:48 pm

Brad Steel

October 15th, 2009
5:32 pm

Are you dating Keith Olberman or something?

Dusty

October 15th, 2009
5:49 pm

Hi JOSEF,

Glad you liked the lost islands of the mind or something..

What would a rabbi say about “organs”?

I thought about you this week at the study group.. We were discussing THE Red Sea crossing . Seems theologians now like the idea that God uses “natural things” such as marshy land for crossovers (insread of sea separation), or muddy water to kill the frogs and fishes, etc. to perform great things (not all).

Sometimes I think theologians don’t have enough to do. But then most of my study has been in biology and there’s not a lot of philosophy in that. I prefer the story without too many embellishments. Next week: Laying Down the Law.

( I know, bloggers!! This is a POLITICAL blog! Don’t worry. I shall probably be MODERATED.)

Pogo

October 15th, 2009
5:50 pm

So the Whitehouse Communications Director tells high school students that one of her favorite philosophers is the communist Chairman Mao. The same Mao that was responsible for millions of deaths. And Obama selected this woman? Is that what you want? Is your idealogy worth it? What rabbit hole is America going down?

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
5:53 pm

Paul, actually, I’ve been away taking care of my daughter’s needs. Now, tell me again which one of those links of yours discusses that $500 billion cut that you claimed.

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:53 pm

Taxpayer

It’s okay. Really. Coming to the realization that Democrats would sacrifice seniors on the altar of political ideology is a difficult process. But it is liberating, like conservatives understanding Reagan wasn’t all that conservative in fiscal practice.

But this is how progress is made and how representatives are held accountable.

I’ll let it ride for a while. I imagine you’re going through something akin to mourning.

getalife

October 15th, 2009
5:54 pm

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
5:55 pm

Jimmy Carter

October 15th, 2009
5:45 pm
Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
5:19 pm

They did register many polar bears, but like many of the other dead and fictional people they registered, they did so too late for the November election.

Well, now that all the ice has melted, they’ll never make it to the polls anyway. Darn those Republicans and their global warming. They’ve foiled ACORN’s efforts yet again.

josef nix

October 15th, 2009
5:56 pm

DUSTY–rabbis and organs…there were several rabbis involved in the organs for sale scandal in Joysey…

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

For laying down the law, check into Maimonides on that one…

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:56 pm

Taxpayer

Hope this helps in understanding what you’re going through in accepting Democrats really did propose shafting seniors with half a Trillion in health care cuts.. The steps of Mourning are

1. Denial

2. Anger

3. Bargaining

4. Depression

5. Acceptance

Most people go through them sequentially. It’s tough, but it’s a healthy process.

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
5:57 pm

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:53 pm
Taxpayer

It’s okay. Really. Coming to the realization that Democrats would sacrifice seniors on the altar of political ideology is a difficult process. But it is liberating, like conservatives understanding Reagan wasn’t all that conservative in fiscal practice.

But this is how progress is made and how representatives are held accountable.

I’ll let it ride for a while. I imagine you’re going through something akin to mourning.

After you’ve finished riding it out and imagining my state of mind, be sure to forward that link that discusses that 500 billion dollar cut.

Paul

October 15th, 2009
5:58 pm

getalife

[[Great news.]]

Don’t tell me a couple women carrying a magazine titled “Watchtower” just came to your door….

josef nix

October 15th, 2009
5:58 pm

RW–thanks for that post. Tells you something when the committee itself comes out saying “well, I didn’t really…” Seems there’s a certain recognition of the loss of credibility…

Paul

October 15th, 2009
6:01 pm

Taxpayer

[[be sure to forward that link that discusses that 500 billion dollar cut.]]

This makes, what, four times? Five?

I think you’re stuck on stage 1: Denial

This one might make it easier to start. It references only $400 Billion. Not 5. But the concept’s the same. Massive cuts to Social Security.

Hef

October 15th, 2009
6:01 pm

$250 Huh, what a joke.If I was (and the time is near) a senoir citizen I would be insulted.

Taxpayer

October 15th, 2009
6:02 pm

I’m actually glad to see Obama fighting fire with fire. It’s the way the GOP prefers to play and he did give them a chance. So, if the GOP is going to keep up their lies about their desire to protect and preserve Medicare and attack the Democrats for trying to really protect and preserve Medicare, then take the gloves off and let’s get on with it. By the way, how many of you Republicans are signing up for that Republican legislation to give up your Medicare in exchange for a voucher so you can go out into the free market and purchase health insurance that’s more to your liking. Come on now, don’t be shy.