In Pakistan, Taliban force military to take action
The most troubling development of the past year in Afghanistan/Pakistan was the widespread election fraud used to re-elect Hamid Karzai, which makes it difficult to sell his government as legitimate. On the other hand, I think that’s more than offset by developments in Pakistan, where the military finally seems to gotten the message that the Taliban want to kill them.
The trend in Iraq, you might recall, began to turn when Sunni Iraqis began to understand just how extreme and violent al Qaida really was, and thus began to fight back against them. The same process is now occurring in Pakistan. Military officials have concluded that the Taliban pose a real threat to Pakistan’s future, and it’s a message that the Taliban confirmed this morning:
“Taliban gunmen disguised as soldiers tried to infiltrate the headquarters of Pakistan’s military Saturday, setting off a fire fight near the capital that left at least four attackers and six soldiers dead, officials said….
Saturday’s assault was the latest in a week of broadsides from the Pakistan Taliban. The group has in recent days warned of a sustained campaign of terror attacks unless the military backs off plans to invade a militant stronghold along the Afghan border.
The Taliban claimed responsibility for Saturday’s attack in a phone call to the private Geo TV television station. The group, an offshoot of the Afghan Taliban, has been behind the vast majority of terror attacks in Pakistan over the past two years, officials say.
Few of the attacks have matched Saturday’s in terms of sheer audacity. The military is arguably Pakistan’s most powerful institution, and was once a patron of the militants who are now attacking it. The assault seemed intended to send a clear message that no where in Pakistan is safe, not even military headquarters.
Pakistan has made it clear the attacks will be answered with an offensive against the Taliban in the South Waziristan tribal area, one of the major Islamist militant bases in Pakistan. The military has been bombarding the area with artillery and aircraft for months, but timing of the ground invasion remains uncertain.”
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I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
October 10th, 2009
10:42 am
It always cracks me up to hear a lib whine about election fraud, how do they think we got Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmm?
The military is arguably Pakistan’s most powerful institution, and was once a patron of the militants who are now attacking it. The assault seemed intended to send a clear message that no where in Pakistan is safe, not even military headquarters.
You can’t pack any more hidden messages into a few sentences than you did there, the most powerful, but yet the most impotent also. Sounds familiar don’t it?
What if all the Taliban were dead, duh, freaking duh?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
October 10th, 2009
10:45 am
The most troubling development of the past year in Afghanistan/Pakistan was the widespread election fraud used to re-elect Hamid Karzai, which makes it difficult to sell his government as legitimate.
What does this make the US Senate with Al Freakan in it?
josef nix
October 10th, 2009
10:46 am
Pakistan tried the compromise “solution” in the Swat Valley and now they see where it got them. We’ll see if the military approach works any better.
Jackie
October 10th, 2009
10:53 am
The EXTRAPOLATION has begun.
The Pakistanis did it, therefore the USA must have done it.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
11:02 am
Let’s dissect and distill this latest liberal bright idea down to it’s purest form of idiocy; on behalf of a few “innocent” civilians a month, civilians who may or may not in fact be innocent, the United States Military, the most powerful organization ever assembled on God’s great Earth, is going to pull it’s punches and let the Taliban walk free. Meanwhile, back in the real world, the Taliban slaughter hundreds of innocent civilians a week and now are free to concentrate their full attention on said slaughter.
Ya follow me?
It almost makes you wonder if the libs want innocent civilians to be killed.
You know, to “save” the Earth and all that?
Jay
October 10th, 2009
11:08 am
I was off-line a good part of yesterday, so just finished skimming through the comments. So Gandalf, when you discover that your posting privileges have been revoked, it was in response to personal attacks posted yesterday.
ACORN fraud
October 10th, 2009
11:08 am
Just change the 1st sentence a little bit to see what truly troubling:
The most troubling development of the past year in America was the widespread election fraud used to elect Barack Obama, which makes it difficult to sell his government as legitimate.
Brad Steel
October 10th, 2009
11:16 am
The Taliban has typically been described as a relatively small group of battle-hardened muslim radicals living in the backwoods of Afghanistan, one of the poorest illiterate countries in the world.
Now the Taliban seems to have developed the resources and means to create global unrest by tipping the power balance in Pakistan and Iraq. And this is after more than 7 years of war with the US.
How in the hell is the Taliban becoming stronger and more influential?
TnGelding
October 10th, 2009
11:18 am
Have the Afghans gotten the message yet?
ACORN fraud
October 10th, 2009
11:08 am
You seem to miss the difference beween election fraud and voter registration fraud. And ACORN reported the discrepancies when it handed in the forms.
TnGelding
October 10th, 2009
11:21 am
Brad Steel
October 10th, 2009
11:16 am
Our meddling in their affairs created a recruiting bonanza. Sending in troops was the last thing that should have been done, not the first.
TnGelding
October 10th, 2009
11:25 am
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
11:02 am
The Taliban never was a threat to us and having troops in the region has only increaed their resolve.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator
You Whine 
October 10th, 2009
10:45 am
Franken won fair and square and has conducted himself admirably. What’s your beef?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator
You Whine 
October 10th, 2009
10:42 am
For every one you kill, you create at least 10 more.
joe matarotz
October 10th, 2009
11:31 am
This is from the White House website:
“Good morning,” began the President today. “Today, I am announcing a comprehensive, new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan. And this marks the conclusion of a careful policy review, led by Bruce [Reidel], that I ordered as soon as I took office.”
The President stressed the perilous position we find ourselves in there, and the threat that would arise should safe havens on Pakistan go unchallenged or should the government in Afghanistan fall to the Taliban again. He also noted that 2008 was the deadliest year to date in that war.
This was dated FRIDAY, MARCH 27TH, 2009 AT 10:32 AM
You can read the rest here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/03/27/A-New-Strategy-for-Afghanistan-and-Pakistan/
The bottome line is that in March, Obama stated that there is a new strategy in place for Afghanistan and Pakistan. Since March, he has done what he usually does – nothing. For the Libs who are busy glad-handing and backslapping each other over his igNobel Prize, be advised that Fearless Leader is asleep at the switch.
The good news is that if he continues to do nothing, at least he won’t screw something else up. So cons, get off his back and let him idle along until the next election.
getalife
October 10th, 2009
11:31 am
Jones declared there are about 100 AQ left looking to the skies for drones.
Taliban declared they are not at war with the west.
Biden declared less of a foot print with drone bases.
McCrystal declared need more troops on a “protect the people” ( nation building mission)
Obama will ?
I have no idea.
Kamchak
October 10th, 2009
11:35 am
The most troubling development of year 2000 in The United States of America was the widespread election fraud used to elect George W. Bush, which made it difficult to sell his government as legitimate.
fyt
josef nix
October 10th, 2009
11:48 am
The only reason we’re jumping on Bush as “the worst” is that he is the most recent. Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln and Ulyssis Grant could lay him in the shade and as for election fraud’s they’ve all got to get up earlier than they are now if they’re out to compete with 1876.
Jackie
October 10th, 2009
11:49 am
The so-called conservatives are NEVER satisfied with actions taken by President Obama.
The country was on the edge of the economic abyss, he put in place the economic stimulus package; they complained!
The President loaned money to the auto companies and Wall Street bankers; they complained.
President Obama worked on mortgage overhaul, consumer loan overhaul, troop levels for Iraq and Afghanistan; they complained!
If Jesus were to walk the earth again, THEY WOULD COMPLAIN because he was not sufficiently conservative enough!
Soothsayer
October 10th, 2009
11:51 am
As middle class jobs are cut, demand falls, exacerbating overcapacity. Global capital shifts away from high cost production (except where that opportunity is limited by the State), replacing middle class employment in advanced economies with lower-cost labor in less-developed economies.
Ironically, this lowers demand for the global companies’ goods even as their overseas capacity expands. The net result is that financial speculation becomes an increasingly attractive use for capital. Thus selling consumers credit with which to buy cars becomes more profitable than selling them cars. Additional profit is reaped by bundling these consumer loans into packages–securitization–and selling the newly minted securities to credulous imvestors around the world.
Thus speculative leveraged credit and securitization can vastly increase profits even as production falls.
This is a great article for anyone interested in learning how we got into the mess we’re in. That is, if you can break from “full howl” for a minute or two.
Midori
October 10th, 2009
11:57 am
Jackie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tU8_uUeGys
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
12:04 pm
Franken won fair and square and has conducted himself admirably. What’s your beef?
Why, that he won fair and square and has conducted himself admirably, of course.
I have yet to meet a conservative, online or in real life, who has the slightest clue of what Franken actually believes or what he’s actually done in the past five years. Not one.
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
12:04 pm
So Gandalf, when you discover that your posting privileges have been revoked, it was in response to personal attacks posted yesterday.
Thank you, Jay.
Soothsayer
October 10th, 2009
12:12 pm
This is a great graph. The Case-Shiller home price index is in black. The amount of gold needed to buy that house is in red.
Brad Steel
October 10th, 2009
12:14 pm
At least we can have some confidence that the Obama team will handle the Taliban better than the Bush-Cheney-Rummy buffoon brigade.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
12:15 pm
The Taliban never was a threat to us and having troops in the region has only increaed their resolve.
They hide behind women and children, hero, any more praises you’d like to lavish on them?
For every one you kill, you create at least 10 more.
Well then kill those ten new ones, and if that makes a hundred more, then kill them too.
Look at these libs, it won’t be an hour and they’ll be whining and moaning about the American Taliban telling them that they can’t fornicate with their boyfriends in public, and here they are now giving cold blooded killers a pass in a country that they have a duty to defend.
Absolve yourselves liberals, we know you are not man enough to handle it.
~~~~~
So why does Gandalf take the fall but not the other participants in the melee?
They don’t do anything BUT attack other bloggers.
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
12:15 pm
The same process is now occurring in Pakistan.
Hope you’re right about that.
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
12:17 pm
Well then kill those ten new ones, and if that makes a hundred more, then kill them too.
You pray in church with that mouth?
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
12:21 pm
Soothsayer, do you have any home value graphs that go back before ‘87 that you trust?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
12:25 pm
Back in the days when bluster was cheap and easy-
“Now, the choice for the American people could not be clearer. John McCain has been talking a lot about change, but he’s running for four more years of the same foreign policy that we’ve had under George Bush. Senator McCain will continue the overwhelming focus on Iraq that has taken our eye off of the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11,” Obozo, mmm, mmmmm, mmmm, said.
Obozo, mmm, mmmmm, mmmm, has also proposed sending about 7,000 addition troops to Afghanistan to combat the Taliban and chase down bin Laden, who is believed to be hiding along the rugged border in neighboring Pakistan.-PMSNBC
Now it’s safe to let the inner coward emerge, and so it does.
mmm, mmmm, mmmm!
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
12:28 pm
You pray in church with that mouth?
Stands For Dingbat- Evil walks the Earth, fool.
Oh, nevermind, you wouldn’t understand.
mmm, mmmm, mmmm!
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
12:34 pm
“Evil walks the Earth”
Lame excuse noted.
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
12:35 pm
If Jesus were to walk the earth again, THEY WOULD COMPLAIN because he was not sufficiently conservative enough!
They wouldn’t bother complaining; they’d just find a reason to execute Him again.
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
12:41 pm
I’m usually not a big fan of posting diaries from the Orange Satan, but I thought this one had some bearing on Jay’s post as well as the news-shocker from yesterday, so here goes:
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The conservative media’s collective unraveling at the news of Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize should surprise no one at this point. They have actively hated the Peace Prize since Carter won it.
But the tone and substance of the analysis from the Right clearly reveal, once again, a more deeply seated, and somewhat disturbing, basis for their criticism. Their vision of the world at peace is essentially a Roman one: the eagle victorious atop crushed ‘enemies,’ a fearful prospect to allies and rivals alike. “Oderint dum metuant – let them hate so long as they fear.”
Of course, the problem with this approach to peacemaking is obvious.
1) It’s not really peace and
2) it fools exactly no one.
The Roman Historian Tacitus, in one of his more remarkable moments of empathy, has a British chieftain say of the Romans, “Auferre, trucidare, rapere falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.” – “to ravage, to kill, to steal under false pretenses they call “empire;” and when they make a desert and they call it peace.”
Obama’s initial rapprochement with the Muslim world, his trip to Egypt, his opening of discussions with Iran, his insistence on ending the occupation of Iraq, and his reformulating of the mission in Afghanistan have turned the basic neoconservative foreign policy formulation on its head. For that alone, for repudiating the imperial course laid by the the previous administration, he richly deserves the Nobel.
Soothsayer
October 10th, 2009
12:41 pm
What few are willing to accept is that the U.S. economy is entering a decades-long period of structural unemployment in which there will not be enough jobs for tens of millions of citizens. My January analysis remains conservative; given the end of the credit/debt bubble and other structural issues, it seems very likely that the U.S. economy might have about 100 million jobs in a few years–leaving some 35 to 40 million people without formal fulltime work or employer-paid benefits.
Soothsayer
October 10th, 2009
1:06 pm
When debt levels are enormous, as they are right now in the United States, an economic downturn becomes existential for a great many forcing people to reduce debt. Recession lowers asset prices (think houses and shares) while the debt used to buy those assets remains. Because the debt levels are so high, suddenly everyone is over-indebted. Many are technically insolvent, their assets now worth less than their debts. And the three D’s come into play: a downturn leads to debt deflation, deleveraging, and ultimately depression. The D-Process is what truly separates depression from recession and why I have said we are living through a depression with a small ‘d’ right now.
Secular inflation will be non-existent.
Therefore, the problem is a lack of demand for loans not a lack of supply. The Federal Reserve can print all the money it wants. But, if there is little demand for more indebtedness, it is not going to have the desired effect of permanently reflating the economy.
In case you missed it:
And the three D’s come into play: a downturn leads to debt deflation, deleveraging, and ultimately depression. The D-Process is what truly separates depression from recession and why I have said we are living through a depression with a small ‘d’ right now.
DebbieDoRight
October 10th, 2009
1:11 pm
Repubs + Taliban = Best Friends.
Isn’t that considered TREASON what big boy said yesterday? I wonder if he’ll say his treasonous speech was actually “free” speech in disguise……….
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
1:13 pm
Obama’s initial rapprochement with the Muslim world, his trip to Egypt, his opening of discussions with Iran, his insistence on ending the occupation of Iraq, and his reformulating of the mission in Afghanistan have turned the basic neoconservative foreign policy formulation on its head. For that alone, for repudiating the imperial course laid by the the previous administration, he richly deserves the Nobel.
Nice missive, Stands For Dingbat, I didn’t know you were an author.
Why the Right REALLY hates Obama’s Nobel
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Paganus or non attributer?
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:15 pm
sfb –
“Their vision of the world at peace is essentially a Roman one: the eagle victorious atop crushed ‘enemies,’ a fearful prospect to allies and rivals alike.”
This is absurd as saying that liberals want an America that is obsequious to other nations and that abdicates its government to the UN.
I am tired of extremists on either fringe ascribing false arguments to their political opponents. Is is pathetic game that both sides use and one that only demonstrates a need to demonize those who don’t share your views.
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:16 pm
sfb –
“They wouldn’t bother complaining; they’d just find a reason to execute Him again.”
Right because anyone who does not share your views is evil right?
@@
October 10th, 2009
1:18 pm
The Pakistani people, more than anything, value their sovereignty as a nation. They look to their civilian leadership, as well as the military leadership, to protect that sovereignty. The Kerry-Lugar bill restricting aide to non-military has put the two…civilian leadership and military leadership at odds.
How can a fragile leadership, absent aide to the military, protect the Pakistani people?
They can’t.
The Pakistani people lodge complaints when U.S. drones are allowed to invade their sovereignty. The civilian leadership must, in some way, placate the people. Their re-election depends on it. They’re asking for our drone technology so that any offensive action is their own.
What a mess.
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:19 pm
DebbieDoRight –
“Repubs + Taliban = Best Friends.”
Why because both the Taliban and many conservatives think that the Nobel Prize was not deserved. Looks like plenty of Democrats are Best Friends with the Taliban too.
By your pathetic logic, Democrats are also best friends with Qaddafi, as he thinks Obama is great too. Both claims are ridiculous.
“Isn’t that considered TREASON what big boy said yesterday? I wonder if he’ll say his treasonous speech was actually “free” speech in disguise……….”
Ah, yet another liberal playing the patriotism card. Isn’t it funny how those that are truly intolerant of other views all use the same disgusting tactics
Kamchak
October 10th, 2009
1:20 pm
But the tone and substance of the analysis from the Right clearly reveal, once again, a more deeply seated, and somewhat disturbing basis for their criticism.
And what is Erick, son of Erick’s “deeply seated, and somewhat disturbing basis for [his] criticism”?
I did not realize the Nobel Peace Prize had an affirmative action quota for it, but that is the only reason I can think of for this news.
Yep–He plays the race card.
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:22 pm
Brad Steel -
“At least we can have some confidence that the Obama team will handle the Taliban better than the Bush-Cheney-Rummy buffoon brigade.”
What ignorance.
First of all, the professional military is the professional military. They don’t perform better under one President than the other.
Second, even if the above was true, the US casualty rate has skyrocketed in Afghanistan since Obama took office. Now I am not blaming him, but since you are the one who wants to compare Obama to Bush, you can at least acknowledge the facts.
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:23 pm
Kamchak –
“Yep–He plays the race card.”
Well he is an idiot for doing so.
Do you agree that Jimmy Carter is also an idiot for playing the race card?
getalife
October 10th, 2009
1:29 pm
Yes, the con’s hatred of our President has them positioned with the taliban and iran. American taliran, if you will.
Dusty will devote her true patriotism to the taliran
Andy chose rush and the enemy.
So, lets put to rest the lie of country first and recognize the cons on who they support.
Kamchak
October 10th, 2009
1:31 pm
Well he is an idiot for doing so.
Do you agree that Jimmy Carter is also an idiot for playing the race card?
I didn’t say that Erick, son of Erick was an idiot–you did. I will not defend a position that I did not take.
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:33 pm
geatalife –
“Yes, the con’s hatred of our President has them positioned with the taliban and iran. American taliran, if you will.”
This argument makes as much sense as saying liberals are positioned with Hamas, Chavez and Qaddafi as they like Obama too.
Both arguments are mindless but to be expected.
“Dusty will devote her true patriotism to the taliran. Andy chose rush and the enemy. So, lets put to rest the lie of country first and recognize the cons on who they support.”
Yet another liberal questioning the patriotism of others. As I said before, it is funny how those that are truly intolerant of other views all use the same disgusting tactics.
getalife
October 10th, 2009
1:34 pm
Which side are you on mike?
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:35 pm
Kamchak –
“I didn’t say that Erick, son of Erick was an idiot–you did. I will not defend a position that I did not take.”
Wow, that is quite a circuitous way to duck a question. Let me address your concerns and rephrase the question so you can find another way to duck it.
Was Jimmy Carter playing “the race card” too?
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:36 pm
getalife –
“Which side are you on mike?”
The side of people who think that the extremists on both sides are two side of the same coin. Whether it is you or Whiner, you are equally intolerant of other views and you actually use the same exact tactics.
DebbieDoRight
October 10th, 2009
1:37 pm
Sometimes I sit back and wonder…..what’s on the mind of the ConServA-Trons on the Reich?
The Nobel Prize to Obama: Europe’s Bid to Re-Colonize America
Whether it was rewarding Jimmy Carter for criticizing the Iraq War or supporting Al Gore in his crusade against global warming, the Norwegian Parliament — which chooses the winners of the Nobel Peace Prize — has sought to use the award as a political tool to influence American politics. Its prestige and moral power make the prize a potent weapon with which to help steer the direction of the colossus beyond the seas that controls a quarter of the world’s economy and most of its military power. Now, the Norwegians have weighed in to support Barack Obama in his bid to reshape America so it looks more like, well, Norway — or at least like Europe.
Obamacomedy (This is written by a guy who calls himself a “serial entrepreneur” whatever that is!!
<Thanks to the sycophantic mainstream press, he doesn’t even have to make a secret of his brazen recklessness. He has stocked the White House with a bunch of czars, including certifiable nutballs like the Science Advisor who favors trees, bushes, lakes and squirrels hiring lawyers to sue people. There was the avowed Communist, and far-leftist radicals, some directly attached even to the criminal enterprise known as Acorn. Had Bush – or any other president – dared surround himself with such a freak show, let alone done so openly, he would have been fried by mainstream media and most probably impeached. But the Magnificent Ozbama seems cheerfully certain he won’t face consequences for circumventing Congress, creating his own shadow government, and putting a lunatic fringe no one else would even risk any association with in charge. This would make for a terrific comedy movie, but it’d need to run on the Sci-Fi Channel.
And the last one…..
New King of Pop Accepts Nobel Peace Prize
This award exemplifies the hydraulic power Obama’s friends use to prop up their Dear Leader for the benefit of Obama sheeple everywhere. I can’t wait for the vision of this most sentient of human spiritual beings to be realized: A “world without nuclear weapons” and the “end of climate change!” Holy moly! When The One decrees to Mother Nature that she is no longer in charge, may I suggest — humbly, of course — a steady, eternal, 72 degrees.
SIDENOTE: I wonder if they get paid for writing that drivel and if so, how can i get that gig?!?
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:39 pm
DebbieDoRight –
“Sometimes I sit back and wonder…..what’s on the mind of the ConServA-Trons on the Reich?”
Wow, another liberal using a Nazi reference. I guess the whining when conservatives use such language is just hypocrisy, huh?
As I keep saying, the extremists on both sides use the same tactics. You are all the same.
Jackie
October 10th, 2009
1:41 pm
@Midori
It is truly ironic that the title of this song by one of the all-time musical greats is so appropriate for the current so-called conservatives. It describes the actions PERFECTLY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdnRRW2gINw
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:42 pm
Jackie –
Yuk, yuk. I get it. People who don’t share your views are clowns. Yuk, yuk.
Kamchak
October 10th, 2009
1:44 pm
Wow, that is quite a circuitous way to duck a question.
Nope. I was sidestepping your rather puerile gotcha trap.
getalife
October 10th, 2009
1:44 pm
Yup, the dems played the patriotic card.
Payback from the Iraq war bs from cons.
Deal with it mike.
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:45 pm
Kamchak –
“Nope. I was sidestepping your rather puerile gotcha trap.”
Nah, you were just ducking a simple question like you are now.
Let me ask again for the third time, so you can duck it for a third time.
Was Jimmy Carter playing the race card too?
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:49 pm
getalife -
“Yup, the dems played the patriotic card.”
Well the Dems did, but I was talking about you and your playing of the patriotism card.
“Payback from the Iraq war bs from cons.”
Right, so all of that ranting about how wrong it was to play the patriotism card was just cynical posturing. You folks think that it is a perfectly acceptable tactic, further proving that you are all the same.
“Deal with it mike.”
I deal with hypocrisy here all of the time. Nothing new about it.
getalife
October 10th, 2009
1:53 pm
I am on America’s side mike.
Answer the question.
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:55 pm
getalife –
“I am on America’s side mike.”
Well I assumed that. Pretty much all of us are.
“Answer the question.”
Well I did answer with a full paragraph. What did you not understand about my answer?
Be more specific and I will try to address your question in way you would like it answreed.
Jackie
October 10th, 2009
1:56 pm
@i rEPORT
Your 12:25 post:
“Now it’s safe to let the inner coward emerge, and so it does.”
Simple question? When do you plan to head to your local recruiting station and raise your right hand? If your plans do not have this action item included, your keyboard generalship and status as a warrior is seriously in question.
mr_express
October 10th, 2009
1:58 pm
full scale war is needed to oust the taliban
mike
October 10th, 2009
1:59 pm
Jackie –
“When do you plan to head to your local recruiting station and raise your right hand? If your plans do not have this action item included, your keyboard generalship and status as a warrior is seriously in question.”
Hmm, This is a losing question for most folks who answer it. I mean Obama was a big supporter of the Afghan War before he took office ans he has never served.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
2:00 pm
al-Gitmo: You may want to check me but I’m pretty sure that Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmm, is surrendering to the Taliban.
Pray tell, how can you “choose their side” any more than that?
getalife
October 10th, 2009
2:01 pm
mike,
“Pretty much all of us are.”
Pretty much?
Now, we know.
Party over country, huh mike?
DebbieDoRight
October 10th, 2009
2:05 pm
Was Jimmy Carter playing the race card too?
I’ll answer for him. NO Jimmy was stating the facts as HE SAW THEM.
Now, answer this, was your boy “Erick” playing the race card when he said this—>” I did not realize the Nobel Peace Prize had an affirmative action quota for it, but that is the only reason I can think of for this news.”
Or was he stating facts as He knows them?
Wow, another liberal using a Nazi reference. I guess the whining when conservatives use such language is just hypocrisy, huh?
That’s because they ConServA-Trons on the Reich are using Hitler’s playbook. It’s classic. The same strategy that Hitler used to tear apart Germany and turn it into a Nazi state is what the Reich is using now. Here as some examples:
Hitler: “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
Sarah Palin: “The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.”
Hitler: “Hate is more lasting than dislike”
Sarah Palin: “Palling around with Terrorists”
See the correlation?
getalife
October 10th, 2009
2:05 pm
Andy,
Knowing that you are never right, I will have to disagree.
The question is how many will stay not surrendering silly.
mike thinks you are an extremist like me.
Talk about silly.
Jackie
October 10th, 2009
2:05 pm
@mike
You do not have to share my view to be a clown!
What do you think?
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:06 pm
getalife –
“Pretty much?”
Yeah. Pretty much all Americans are on America’s side. I assume that there are some who are not, but I have never met any.
“Now, we know.”
Now we know what?
“Party over country, huh mike?”
What? You make no sense. Just to be clear so you can’t twist my words. I am on America’s side too. That is why I said “Pretty much all of us are”.
Regardless, I am not much of a Republican. I voted for Clinton twice and think he was a good President.
You seem desperate to play the patriotism card, but please don’t distort my words in your attempt to demonstrate that I must be unpatriotic because anyone who disagrees with you must be. It is a pathetic argument.
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:08 pm
jackie -
“You do not have to share my view to be a clown!”
Oh I know that. It is only people who do not share your views that must be clowns (or racists or are unpatriotic, etc).
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:09 pm
geatlife –
“mike thinks you are an extremist like me.”
Anyone who is not on the far end of the spectrum would agree. Both of you genuinely think that “cons” or “libs” are all bad or all good based on which one you are. It’s quite a silly worldview.
Kamchak
October 10th, 2009
2:10 pm
Nah, you were just ducking a simple question like you are now.
First you knock down Erick, son of Erick saying that he is an idiot, (something that I did not do) and then want me to agree that Jimmy Carter was an idiot also. Now you want me to defend a comment by Jimmy Carter which you haven’t supplied.
The operative word here is puerile.
Go hump another’s leg
Jackie
October 10th, 2009
2:10 pm
@mike
I see you taking the mantra of being a “leader” of the rebuttals.
Now, how do you rebut the fact that the war in Afghanistan should have been fought right after 9/11?.
How do you rebut the fact the war in Iraq was not a war for “our freedom?”
Rebut the fact the wars in Iraq has cost the US more than $1 Trillion dollars and more than 4,000 lives of American service personnel?
To use a trite statement, “…show us what you working with,” Mike.
Jackie
October 10th, 2009
2:12 pm
@mike
Using the “racist” word in your post DOES NOT buttress your argument or cause me to back away from the fact that your EXTRAPOLATION, CONFLATION and OBFUSCATION is profound!
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
2:12 pm
al-Gitmo: So you think bookman is a liar?
Bowing to the reality that the Taliban is too ingrained in Afghanistan’s culture to be entirely defeated, the administration is prepared to accept some Taliban role in parts of Afghanistan, the official said-Philly.Com
And that Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmm, is “silly?”
By the way, mike is quite insane, just sayin…
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 10th, 2009
2:14 pm
There are multiple differences in Iraq and Afghanistan that don’t seem to be appreciated by Jay’s article above.
First of all while the US owns the responsibility for the making of the Taliban which most of us conveniently ignore (history is not taught much in schools in the US).
General McRepeat Iraq wants more troops to nation build. We have been there for eight years. In Iraq Petraeus’ strategy was to nation build–protect the people and win their hearts and minds.
Iraq had a civil war–Sunnis vs. Shia and the Sunnis intensely sought American protection because they saw the Shia killing them. So we built a totally weak ineffectual 100,000 strong militia there.
1) No civil war in Afghanistan,although there may soon be one in Pakistan.
2) Taliban are religious extremists to be sure and oppress women but until now, haven’t directly threaten the Afghanistan people otherwise and kill them ever day as occurs and occured in Iraq. As the WSJ article cited above points out, this trend may be changing.
3) There has been no legitimate election in Afghanistan.
4) We have no viable partner in Afghanistan or in Pakistan or in both of them in the forseeable future. Without a viable partner, we can’t succeed in nation building.
5) We will need several hundred thousands of troops to nation build, and even if we had them (we do not) we can’t succeed with troops alone. McCrhstal knows this, but he has no plan I can identify to act on this.
DebbieDoRight
October 10th, 2009
2:15 pm
mike pray tell, how do YOU show your patriotism? Do you volunteer at the VA hospital in Decatur? Do you send “care packages” to troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you head up a support group for the wives/husbands/significant others of soldiers who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you even SAY A DANG PRAYER for the soldier who’s walking guard right now? I do, what about you?
Or do you sit on your computer and BLOG until your poor little fingers get tired? And TALK about being a patriot because talk is cheap and action takes….well….action? With patriots like you……..
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 10th, 2009
2:16 pm
As pandemic flu continues to kill more Georgians where our political leaders on TV? No where to be seen. They can pop up over the slightest political trivia but when something actually begins to kill their constituents there is nothing from them.
Sonny Purdue, Issacson and Chambliss are completely silent.
Where is the new Surgeon General whose only tool is a bully pulpit? No where to be seen.
And has the Cox AJC written one editorial yet on the urgency of getting the H1N1 vaccine as it becomes available in your physician’s office this week (at least for people up to age 49 for whom the nasal vaccine is approved)? NO
Has the AJC written one editorial yet making it clear that people above 49 should get vaccinated with the shot as soon as it is available to them? No.
Has the AJC written one editorial yet making clear the location for free vaccination per Metro county? NO
Does the AJC write editorials all the time that don’t involve the thread of death like political endorsements? You betcha.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 10th, 2009
2:16 pm
CDC: 76 children dead of swine flu as cases rise
http://www.ajc.com/health/cdc-76-children-dead-158663.html
ATLANTA — Health officials said Friday that 76 U.S. children have died of swine flu, including 19 new reports in the past week — more evidence the new virus is unusually dangerous for the young.
The regular flu kills between 46 and 88 children a year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That suggests deaths from the new H1N1 virus could dramatically outpace children’s deaths from seasonal flu, if swine flu continues to spread as it has.
We’re well ahead of that already with H1N1.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 10th, 2009
2:18 pm
H1NI Death Toll Rising in Georgia and Georgians are Choosing Death as their favorite Option ignoring the vaccine
ATLANTA — The death toll from the H1N1 virus has risen to 27 in Georgia. Nearly 500 people have been hospitalized. But Thursday, the first day the swine flu vaccines were made available in many Metro Atlanta counties, patients were few and far between, as many people still have not decided if they’ll get the vaccine.
CDC: 76 children dead of swine flu as cases rise
http://www.ajc.com/health/cdc-76-children-dead-158663.html
ATLANTA — Health officials said Friday that 76 U.S. children have died of swine flu, including 19 new reports in the past week — more evidence the new virus is unusually dangerous for the young.
“We are seeing more illness, more hospitalizations, and more deaths,” the CDC’s Dr. Anne Schuchat said at a press conference Friday.
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:20 pm
DebbieDoRight –
Yawn, yet another thin excuse for why it is OK when somebody who shares your views is right but those who do not share your views is wrong.
“I’ll answer for him. NO Jimmy was stating the facts as HE SAW THEM.”
Well, he had no basis for seeing the facts as he saw them beyond his own intolerant partisanship.
“Now, answer this, was your boy “Erick” playing the race card when he said this—>”
First of all he is not my boy. Your need to lump anyone who disagrees with you into one stereotype is one of the symptoms of your mindless partisanship.
Second of all, I already said that he was playing the race card and even called him an idiot for doing so.
“Or was he stating facts as He knows them?”
He was making a baseless claim for partisan reasons just like Carter was, which was my point all along.
“That’s because they ConServA-Trons on the Reich are using Hitler’s playbook. It’s classic. The same strategy that Hitler used to tear apart Germany and turn it into a Nazi state is what the Reich is using now.”
LOL. And do you think that any of your mindless partisan peers on the right are any less certain that their Nazi analogies are apt? What a joke.
You are all the same and you all use the same tactics: calling people Nazis, questioning their patriotism, calling them racists. You are all the same and you all use the same tactics.
“Hitler: “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it””
How pathetic. As you know, your peers on the right use this line all of the time, and they are just as wrong. You people are all the same and not only do you use the same tactics, you have the audacity to whine when others use the same tactics.
“Sarah Palin…”
Oh man another liberal rant about Sarah Palin. Yawn.
“See the correlation?”
Yeah, the correlation is that mindless partisans on both sides like to call people who don’t share their views Nazis. That is the point.
You are all the same and you all use the same tactics.
josef nix
October 10th, 2009
2:21 pm
@@– left a response downstairs. I stand chastized.
mike–which side? This is what I was saying the other day
stb–I could almost go for the reach out to the Muslim world except for the little detail that he was nominated long before that…he may well wind up deserving of said award, the opera ain’t over til the fat lady sings, but this nomination came before she even put the car in gear on the way to the theatre of the absurd…me? I’m far more interested in what he says tonight…we’ll see what there comes of substance…
Jesus walking the earth? Check out “Man Facing Southeast.”
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
2:23 pm
Jaggie- Not trying to interdict your screaming match with the self righteous lord of the bookman blog mike, but when pray tell did Pakistan attack us?
Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmm, brave soul that he is, has chosen to quit Afghanistan and fight the 100 or so al Qaeda sickos, that Bush missed in Iraq, in Pockeey Stahn.
Can we expect a meltdown from you when this realization has dawned?
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
2:24 pm
Jimmy was stating the facts as HE SAW THEM.
DDR, in case you didn’t see it before, I will post once again what Rude Pundit had to offer re: Carter calling out the teabaggers.
Should you take any issue with his sentiments, I’d be delighted to hear what they might be.
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Listen: when former President Jimmy Carter, from rural Georgia in the goddamned 1920s, says something is racist, he knows what the [heck] he’s talking about. Can you imagine the number of toothless crackers he grew up around? No, you can’t. Don’t even try. Because if you didn’t grow up during a time when racism was seen as the way things were, where a white person who was polite to a black person was seen as a traitor to their race, where being a dirt poor white man meant that you had to find someone to beat up on and you sure as hell weren’t gonna go after the rich white people actually keeping you down, where there were more lynchings of blacks than in any other state but Mississippi, you shut the [heck] up and listen to the man. Because he knows from racist.
[...]
The election of a black president, who embraced the word “liberal,” both confirms their suspicions and undermines them in a way that they can’t deal with. Indeed, right now they can’t even allow Obama to accomplish what he wants to do because, if he’s right and he succeeds, their entire worldview crumbles. Conservatives in power, who watched George W. Bush get nearly everything he wanted and it turned to [excrement], have staked their last chance at regaining power on making Obama into that [n-word] who wants to hurt the white people. [f-word] him and his [n-word]-loving accomplices.
What Carter was reacting to, among other things, was the yell of “You lie” from Representative Joe Wilson at President Obama. That yell was the barbaric scream of impotence from an exiled warrior; implicit with it was that no black man was going to tell him how the world runs, especially when it comes to Hispanics. Jimmy Carter knows what he’s seeing. He listened to it for most of his life. He knows stupid [f-word]ing rednecks wearing their suit jacket collars high when he sees ‘em.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
2:25 pm
Mad Harris- If the public option is a “done deal” when will your mindless propaganda of it be a done deal?
josef nix
October 10th, 2009
2:26 pm
mike–
The nazi canard is one which is particularly galling to me no matter which “side” of any issue it comes from. It shows the most horrendous disrespect for the millions who died under that regime.
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:27 pm
DebbieDoRight –
“mike pray tell, how do YOU show your patriotism?”
What crap. How dare you question my patriotism.
I am not going to cheapen my own attempts to do my part by using it as a tool to argue with folks like yourself. Suffice it to say that I have four members of my immediate family who are currently in a combat zone in Iraq or Afghanistan and they are in my prayers constantly.
Your rhetoric is disgusting and only demonstrate how much you really hate people who disagree with your narrow view of the world. Hateful and intolerant people like yourself feel the need to think that anyone who disagrees with you is a bad person.You are all very sick people and unfortunately we are cursed with million of people like you from both extremes of the political spectrum.
Feel free to think that you are more patriotic than each and every person who disagrees with you. That is the sick and sad world that people like you inhabit. I feel sad for you.
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
2:29 pm
this nomination came before she even put the car in gear on the way to the theatre of the absurd
j-nix, did you happen to catch Rachel’s take on this whole “It’s premature!” business?
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:29 pm
josef nix –
“The nazi canard is one which is particularly galling to me no matter which “side” of any issue it comes from.”
It is disgusting rhetoric and one that is used for too easily by both extremes, along with claims of racism and lack of patriotism.
I always enjoy seeing how partisan hypocrites justify their own use of such rhetoric while criticizing others that do the same. It is the definition of hypocrisy.
DebbieDoRight
October 10th, 2009
2:29 pm
mike: Well, he had no basis for seeing the facts as he saw them beyond his own intolerant partisanship.
So now you’re the “thought” police as well as the “blog” police? You must get real tired with all that insanity and insensitivity weighing you down.
LOL. And do you think that any of your mindless partisan peers on the right are any less certain that their Nazi analogies are apt? What a joke. You are all the same and you all use the same tactics: calling people Nazis, questioning their patriotism, calling them racists. You are all the same and you all use the same tactics.
The big difference between Me, Palin and Hitler is this one little bitty fact: I’m just a woman on a blog, my words aren’t going to be heard, listened to, replayed, and internalized by millions of people. THEIRS ARE/WERE. My words won’t cause strikes, create hate, cause conflicts, but guess what? THEIRS DID.
Good try though trying to link us together. Kinda futile, a little infantile, and definitely ridiculous, but good try.
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2009
2:30 pm
Oh, and…
I’m far more interested in what he says tonight…we’ll see what there comes of substance…
My fingers are crossed. I think you and are are wishing for more or less the same thing, there.
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:31 pm
sfb –
“Jimmy was stating the facts as HE SAW THEM.”
Well isn’t that defense applicable to all who make baseless claims? I mean isn’t super-idiot Glen Beck just stating the facts as he sees them?
DebbieDoRight
October 10th, 2009
2:33 pm
mike: What crap. How dare you question my patriotism.
Why not? You questioned mine and OTHERS on this blog, yet you’re too good to stand in the same light that you wish to put others in? BUSH SH###T!!
I am not going to cheapen my own attempts to do my part by using it as a tool to argue……..blah, blah, blah, blah…….
Yeah. Thought so.
Your rhetoric is disgusting and only demonstrate how much you really hate people who disagree with your narrow view of the world. Hateful and intolerant people like yourself feel the need to think that anyone who disagrees with you is a bad person.You are all very sick people and unfortunately we are cursed with million of people like you from both extremes of the political spectrum.
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:33 pm
josef –
“mike–which side? This is what I was saying the other day”
I don’t see it as binary. My gerneral lean conservative on policy, but I voted for Clinton twice and think he was a good President.
I wouldn’t say that I am a true independent, but I would have no problem voting for a moderate Democrat like Evan Bayh or even Hillary, who I might have voted for over McCain.
DebbieDoRight
October 10th, 2009
2:34 pm
oops forgot one….
Your rhetoric is disgusting and only demonstrate how much you really hate people who disagree with your narrow view of the world. Hateful and intolerant people like yourself feel the need to think that anyone who disagrees with you is a bad person.You are all very sick people and unfortunately we are cursed with million of people like you from both extremes of the political spectrum.
Darling I don’t hate anyone. I dislike YOU — you seem to have no backbone and no stance on anything besides controversy and animosity. You should become a professional heckler — you’re very good at it.
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:36 pm
DebbieDoRight –
“Why not? You questioned mine and OTHERS on this blog,”
This is an utter lie. I have never questioned anyone’s patriotism on this blog. You are lying, nut feel free to cite an example to back up your claim.
“Yeah. Thought so.”
OK. I’ll call your bluff. Tell me what you have done for the troops and if you don’t, you have done nothing for the troops. That is the pathetic and disgusting argument you have put forward, so go ahead and live up to it. Tell us what you have done.
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:38 pm
DebbieDoRight –
“Darling I don’t hate anyone. ”
Sure you do. Your hatred is evident for all to see.
“I dislike YOU — you seem to have no backbone and no stance on anything besides controversy and animosity. You should become a professional heckler — you’re very good at it.”"
Explain what I do that you do not. Be specific.
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:39 pm
DebbieDoRight –
Looking forward to your evidence that I have ever questioned anyone’s patriotism on this blog. I would hate to have anyone accuse you of a “big lie” and compare you to Hitler. LOL
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:42 pm
Mindless conservative partisans:
Call people racists.
Compare people to Nazis.
Question the patriotism of others.
Mindless liberal partisans:
Call people racists.
Compare people to Nazis.
Question the patriotism of others.
Gov Option Done Deal!
October 10th, 2009
2:42 pm
The information that Craig Schneider and Sheila Poole printed in the AJC several times this week that at county health clinics no one would be turned away is wrong. They are following the CDC’s guidelines that come directly from the CDC ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunication Practices), and the public clinics will use age preference as to high risk groups first as supplies becomed available. Last week they were only offering the vaccine to individuals 2-4 years, their care givers, first responsders including police and fire people, and medical persoonel. Very few of those took advantage of that however–a dismally small number did.
What the AJC should make clear and hasn’t yet is that:
Last week county health clinics in Georgia had next to no parents or caretakers show up to get the H1N1 nasal vaccine for the 2-4 year olds and caretakers targeted.
This week, that vaccine will begin to arrive in physician’s offices, and shortly afterward as supplies allow it will be offered by CVS, Wallgreens, Walmart and stores with pharmacies, schools, possibly employers etc.
The Medimmune nasal vaccine does not have mercury derivatives in it contrary to right wing websites that are long on BS and short on any medical training whatsoever in infectious diseases.
It does not I repeat does not and cannot give an individual H1N1.
It has approximately a 1/34000 mild side effect profile which includes nasal congestion and fever as the chief symptoms and again 1/34000.
It takes 10 days to become immune because that’s how long it takes for antibodies to form in response to what is a live attenuated vaccine.
It is completely safe but ignoring it if you’re ages 2-49 is completely stupid since some cases result in death and a several weeks struggle to keep you alive. That’s not the vast majority or bell shaped curve of them fortunately, but deaths are picking up and have already exceed the seasonal flu deaths we see in children!
Soon after at the end of this week or possibly into the next week, the shot form of the vaccine will begin to be distributed. This is the vaccine for you if you are over 49 years of age or pregnant and you should check your county health department’s website or Georgia Department of Community Health’s (DCH’s) website for updates on when the shot which can be used for these two groups and for infants from 6 months up to 24 months.
If you are an adult and in target groups for higher risk for seasonal flu or H1N1 so called novel flu, you are urged to get the vaccine as early as you can, and you will be a preference in the public clinics offering it.
Infants under 6 months aren’t being vaccinated because immunity for them is conferred if their pregnant mother is vaccinated.
Having said this, Georgians will be right at the top unfortunately at ignoring this vaccine or refusing to get it, and I predict supplies in this state will be plentiful because of this. I also predict fatailaties will be toward the top of rankings as have developing cases here although I hope not.
So called political leaders could do a much better job of educating and urging people to get this vaccine. Over the years there have always been pictures of them getting this or that health procedure to set an example, but none are showing up now.
I have not seen one editorial in the AJC–the only large newspaper in Georgia– urging people to get the vaccine or educating them as to the facts surrounding it and what the relative indications are for the two forms of the vaccine for each age group as has been done above.
mike
October 10th, 2009
2:44 pm
How many folks here get your medical information from the comment section of a blog?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 10th, 2009
2:46 pm
How many people judge their own actions based on a self righteous blowhard on some blog?