Congressional Dems get bad news from Gallup
The folks at Gallup have recently delivered some reassuring news for Democrats, at least in some areas. For example, in a poll released Oct. 5, Gallup found an upswing in support for health care reform. Forty percent now say they support the bill, with 36 percent opposed.
“When the leanings of those without an opinion are taken into account, 51% of Americans favor or lean toward favoring a bill, while 41% oppose it or lean toward opposition — a more sizeable gap in favor than three weeks ago,” Gallup reports.
In a perhaps related development, Gallup also reports that 16.6 of American adults are now without health insurance, tying the highest number yet on that question.
According to Gallup, President Obama’s job-approval rating also seems to have stabilized, with 51 percent approving and 42 percent disapproving, which is roughly where those numbers have been since around the middle of August.
However, today’s polling results suggest big trouble may be ahead for congressional Democrats. The Dems now enjoy just a two-point advantage on what’s called the generic ballot question, which asks Americans which party’s candidate they intend to vote for in 2010. Last fall, the Democrats enjoyed a 15-point margin on that question.
According to Gallup, that improved performance among Republicans “stems from the support of political independents, who now favor Republican over Democratic candidates by 45% to 36%.”
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Gandalf, the Wise
October 7th, 2009
3:33 pm
FIRST!
TnGelding
October 7th, 2009
3:36 pm
You can understand the discontent with Democrats, but why turn to the GOP? I found it interesting that the support for the GOP stayed at 44% since July while the number of Other/Undecided went up 42%.
TnGelding
October 7th, 2009
3:39 pm
Too little, too late?
“Wells Fargo-Wachovia halts local foreclosures”
“We’ve been working hard on the foreclosure issue in Atlanta for months, while listening to numerous community and civic leaders,” he said. “We’re happy we’re seeing progress, in Atlanta and elsewhere, but we know the job is not done.”
http://www.ajc.com/business/wells-fargo-wachovia-halts-156867.html
DebbieDoRight
October 7th, 2009
3:44 pm
TnGelding: Nader did a Time article last month where he was asked about the 2 party system and how to change it to a three party system. His reply was that there is only a ONE party system with two different names. He stated that both the Dems and Repugs have the same basic ideology and the same winning strategy, “tell them what they wanna hear, get re-elected, then do what you want”; and that neither party works for the people anymore. He stated that the reason it was hard for another party to rise to prominence is because over the years the Dems and the Repugs have fixed the system so that it’s virtually impossible for another party to rise up and become a major player.
I found the article very interesting and very revealing.
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
3:46 pm
How could this be? After all, the dems have BHO, mmm, mmm, mmm.
Turd Ferguson
October 7th, 2009
3:47 pm
More bad and “lets be like Europe” news. The US needs to be a leader not a follower…
Coming Soon: $500 for Every Newborn?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Coming-Soon-500-for-Every-usnews-3217986354.html?x=0&.v=1
TnGelding
October 7th, 2009
3:50 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 7th, 2009
3:44 pm
And of course, he was right. But coming from him it angers me. His ego possibly gave us the second tier of the Bush dynasty.
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
3:50 pm
Just in “Obama turning to Hollywood for health reform help…”
Gee, who’d a thunk it, right?
Matilda
October 7th, 2009
3:54 pm
DebbieDoRight, that’s sort of what Lewis Black paraphrased when he said that our two party system is really a bowl of s–t looking in the mirror at itself.
GEORGE AMERICAN
October 7th, 2009
3:57 pm
INDEPENDENTS!!!
COME ON! GROWN SOME HUEVOS AND QUIT WAFFLING!!!
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
3:58 pm
TnGelding
October 7th, 2009
3:50 pm
Good point, but there’s some logic that Perot brought us the first tier of the Clinton dynasty.
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
3:59 pm
TnGelding
October 7th, 2009
3:50 pm
If memory serves me correct, Clinton was the only prez to win without ever having over 50% of the popular votes in either election.
Shawny
October 7th, 2009
4:01 pm
We need a valid third party in this country
mmm, mmm, mmm
October 7th, 2009
4:01 pm
Pitching for the olympics but not helping at home?
Illinois Unpaid Bills Hits Record High; Tax Revenue Plummets…
Chicago Violence Haunts Obama as Gun-Control Backers Left Cold…
Community leaders livid Obama not making appearance
DebbieDoRight
October 7th, 2009
4:02 pm
OMG Matilda!! Too funny!!!
TnGelding: I think Nader really believed he could help — Now though, at least when asked if he’d run again in the article, I think he’s given up all hope that he can mitigate any type of changes for the better in America in his lifetime.
SayWhat? Go PEROT!!! Clinton brought in prosperity, cut welfare rolls, and had jobs AND brought down the deficit. Then we had Bush………… nuff said…
mmm, mmm, mmm
October 7th, 2009
4:03 pm
looks like the Brits don’t have “freedom of speech”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112207
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
4:05 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 7th, 2009
4:02 pm
cut welfare rolls, (great thing he signed that Repub legislation)
and had jobs (yes, the telecom market before the bust)
AND brought down the deficit (I believe another Repub piece of legislation)
DebbieDoRight
October 7th, 2009
4:06 pm
SayWhat?:If memory serves me correct, Clinton was the only prez to win without ever having over 50% of the popular votes in either election.
Well if it makes you feel any better, Gore LOST and he’d won the popular vote AND had more total votes then Whats-his-name.
DebbieDoRight
October 7th, 2009
4:08 pm
SayWHat?!!!!!
a REPUBLICAN piece of legislation!! Too funny!! Can’t stop laughing, can’t stop laughing, can’t stop laughing……….
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
4:09 pm
Shawny
October 7th, 2009
4:01 pm
Agreed, but developing a “platform” would be difficult. Libertarians cannot establish one that resonates well enough with the public.
Also, how would you reset the Electoral College? If 3 candidates are in the race it’s conceivable that neither would win the necessary number of electoral votes. Would you have a runoff like in local elections when neither candidate exceeds 50%? This would require a MAJOR change in our political structure.
Not saying it’s a bad idea, but getting a serious contender in a 3rd party is a loooooooong way off.
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
4:10 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 7th, 2009
4:06 pm
Deb, Gore didn’t win the electoral vote. If we as a nation wish to change that, then so be it. Until that happens, the popular vote is not the deciding factor. Don’t forget, we’re a Constitutional Republic, not a true democracy.
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
4:17 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 7th, 2009
4:08 pm
Yes, Deb, a Republican piece of legislation. If you’ll stop laughing and read, it may jar your memory:
“The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA, Pub.L. 104-193, 110 Stat. 2105, enacted August 22, 1996) is a United States federal law considered to be a fundamental shift in both the method and goal of federal cash assistance to the poor. The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract With America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-Florida) who believed welfare was partly responsible for bringing immigrants to the United States.”
Repeat after me, the Republicans sponsored it, the Republicans sponsored it……
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
4:23 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 7th, 2009
4:08 pm
Here’s another lesson, Deb. Hope you’re stopped laughing. The groundwork for the “had jobs” (propserity) was laid by Reagan (end of the cold war) and Bush the first.
“One of the major contributors to prosperity in the 1990s was structural—the peace dividend made possible by the end of the cold war. Defense spending as a share of gross domestic product (GDP) declined by 2.6 percent, which is equivalent to $280 billion at today’s income level. This bonanza allowed private consumption to grow rapidly and helped to balance the nation’s books.”
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
4:24 pm
Where are you, Deb? Still laughing?
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
4:27 pm
Deb, the prosperity info came from the following:
The Fabulous Decade: Macroeconomic Lessons from the 1990s
by Alan S. Blinder and Janet L. Yellen
Century Foundation Press, 105 pp., $13.95 (paper)
The Roaring Nineties: A New History of the World’s Most Prosperous Decade
by Joseph E. Stiglitz
Norton, 379 pp., $25.95
Scooter
October 7th, 2009
4:30 pm
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
4:24 pm
Wow! That’s what I call backing-up what you say Whew!
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
4:42 pm
What pollsters, pundits and politicians never seem to acknowledge if that nearly half of the eligible voters in the United States stay home.
Scooter
October 7th, 2009
4:50 pm
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
4:42 pm
That’s just something I’ll never understand. I have friends that don’t vote and are the first to complain about things.And sometimes I wonder if my vote really means anything. ?????
jconservative
October 7th, 2009
4:50 pm
“Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index data reveal that happiness is highest among younger Americans…”
I do not want to say that youngsters are a bunch of dummies but youngsters are a bunch of dummies.
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
4:54 pm
Scooter–folks say to me when I jump on Fierce Advocate and say I didn’t and wouldn’t vote for him, “you mean you voted for Bush.” When I tell them I didn’t and wouldn’t vote for him either, the number who then tell me, “well, if you didn’t vote, then shut up” is amazing. There’s plenty else on the ballot and a vote for ANY of them is a vote of dissatisfaction with this Twiddlededum-Twiddlededee we’ve got going now…
@@
October 7th, 2009
4:54 pm
If anything good has come from the election of Barack Obama, it’s that the corrupt nature of our government bureaucracy has been exposed although not through the MSM. If I’m not mistaken, confidence in the media is lower than that of the dem congress.
Were I to choose a third party, it would be The Constitution Party. As they “live and breathe”, that would be the end of the far-left dems in government which, for this voter, is my ultimate goal.
As far as The Libertarian Party goes, theirs is a live and let live philosophy which would allow the far-left to continue wreaking their havoc.
Bad news for America.
Russia’s response to calls it quit supporting Iran?
They’ll continue their military-technical cooperation within the framework of international laws.
First, the United States could try to cut a deal with the Russians: Washington would concede on issues in Moscow’s sphere of influence, in exchange for Russia backing away from Iran. Russia wants control in the former Soviet sphere and in Europe.
The second possible outcome would be the United States backing down on the Iran issue, which Russia would see as a very public demonstration of Washington’s weakness.
The third possibility is that the United States would take military action against Iran and get involved in a third war in the Middle East. – Stratfor
With the United States’ hands tied, Russia could continue to pursue their intended goal.
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
4:56 pm
jconservative–
@ 4:50
Why shouldn’t they be happy? Unlike us they don’t yet have to deal with what a sorry mess they’ve made of things…
Scooter
October 7th, 2009
5:04 pm
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
4:54 pm
Do you ever feel like your just a pawn on a chessboard like me sometimes?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 7th, 2009
5:13 pm
Wait until democrats get the news from the voters.
Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm, Barak Hussein Obama!
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
5:13 pm
Scooter–@ 5:04
Oh, not at all! I feel like the Red Queen, off with their heads!
Pogo
October 7th, 2009
5:17 pm
Since the first of the year the numbers have been dropping for both the Whitehouse and the democrats in Congress. They will continue to drop and I will tell you why;
It begins with a story that has hardly been mentioned by the press but is of massive importance to all Americans. Right now there is a movement underway to remove the dollar as the currency of choice for world wide markets (it is a bit more complex than that but we’ll keep it simple for sake of argument). The leaders in this movement (that we know of) are the Chinese, the Arabs and the Russians. I must give the Chinese credit; they are smart enough to recognize loser policy when they see it and they are seeing it now. Right now the Chinese hold a huge proportion of our debt. We are begging them to buy more to pay for America’s credit loving shopaholic frenzy. Obama, Reid and Pelosi’s social experimenting is just piling on more debt that we cannot afford. These three spend from a depleted tax base without remorse and that is very, very dangerous. Now, what the Chinese see is Obama and the Democrats in congress spending and printing money like “drunken sailors” (no offense to the sailors, as they are leaps and bounds above the aforementioned) and they know that if they buy more of our debt, they lose their @$$. They may pay one dollar today to buy our debt and in two years their investment could very well be worth 50 cents. Inflation and hyper-inflation happen when a government prints money and the money is worth less and less because there is too much of it (paper, not worth) and the government keeps on spending like there is no problem. Everyone on this planet right now knows that America cannot go on spending like it currently is doing. The Democratic monopoly in Washington doesn’t seem to to care or worry about anything except finding a loan shark to buy our debt so we can continue to spend and print worthless money. The Republicans sure aren’t immune from being critsized for the same behaviour but the Democrats are currently in power and they are going to be in power when things go really, really bad, thus they will get the blame, as they should. Hyperinflation is an ugly creature and it is going to be really bad for the Dems..
getalife
October 7th, 2009
5:19 pm
Both are infested with corporate commies.
AmVet
October 7th, 2009
5:24 pm
The tweedle-dees and tweedle-dums keep up the incessant drumbeat.
“Our corporate owned crooks and proven incompetents are better than yours.”
So the nation slips ever closer to economic chaos and endless war while the Republicrat Party Neroes fiddle.
And their faithful cheer them on. To their own ruin…
Scooter
October 7th, 2009
5:29 pm
Oh, not at all! I feel like the Red Queen, off with their heads!
TOO funny dude!
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
5:30 pm
POGO–the Chinese. One of my co-workers, a Chinese lady, was showing her new bead. I can’t remember his name, but the fellow is from chinese mythology. He’s got a big mouth, but when you turn him around, he has no, uh, a**. He’s a luck charm for businessmen. It goes in, but it doesn’t come out!
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
5:34 pm
Scooter–”Verdict now, trial later!”
Raney
October 7th, 2009
5:37 pm
That new Obama poll is total smoke and mirrors, a total lie. His ratings are going down, down, down. He is as corrupt as they come and even the sheep that voted for him are starting to realize that he is no good for this country.
AmVet
October 7th, 2009
5:37 pm
josef, one of my faves – The beatings will continue until morale improves!
Taxpayer
October 7th, 2009
5:38 pm
Poll or no poll, as soon as we can no longer borrow money from China to pay for our Hessians, it’s the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. Be afeared. Be vewwwy afeared.
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
5:42 pm
oops– that’s “sentence first–verdict afterwards…”
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 7th, 2009
5:44 pm
The sharp fall in the US dollar is giving ammunition to the critics of the Obama administration and fuelling broader concerns about the erosion of America’s reserve currency status.
On Wednesday, Sarah Palin, the Republican former vice-presidential candidate, added her voice to those who have expressed concern over the consequences of rising US indebtedness and dependence on foreign oil.
“We can see the effect of this in the price of gold, which hit a record high today in response to fears about the weakened dollar,” she wrote on her Facebook site.
Pogo- You attribute these circumstances to democrat stupidity, and while I will hardly argue with you on the point, I believe it is a nefarious plot undertaken by people that simply hate this great country.
I ask, name one good thing the democrats have done for the United States in the last nine months.
DebbieDoRight
October 7th, 2009
5:45 pm
Gotta make this quick–got somewhere to go tonight so:
Deb, Gore didn’t win the electoral vote. If we as a nation wish to change that, then so be it.
Didn’t say he did. Just reiterating your point about Clinton. Do you read your posts?
The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA, Pub.L. 104-193, 110 Stat. 2105, enacted August 22, 1996) is a United States federal law considered to be a fundamental shift in both the method and goal of federal cash assistance to the poor. The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract With America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-Florida) who believed welfare was partly responsible for bringing immigrants to the United States.”
You got that from “Thinking Right” didn’t you? I don’t have time now, but I’ll post the “cornerstone” of Clinton’s agenda when I get back and, SW, it wasn’t ^^.
The groundwork for the “had jobs” (propserity) was laid by Reagan (end of the cold war) and Bush the first.
SW you’re kidding right??!! The only thing responsible that Reagan did was enact the King holiday, (under duress), everything else is just in your Reagan Wet Dreams you have at night. Reagan was the first US President who didn’t even TRY to pay down the deficit he tripled the deficit in 8 measly years!! His was the blueprint for the Bush Dark Years! And you’re holding HIM up as an example to emulate?!! Too funny!!!
Where are you, Deb? Still laughing?
All the way to the Bank Dude!! All the way to the Bank!!
@@: If anything good has come from the election of Barack Obama, it’s that the corrupt nature of our government bureaucracy has been exposed although not through the MSM.
@@ Please explain how Obama’s election was corrupt. Did his party have to go to the Supreme Court and get a 5-4 VOTE by the RIGHT LEANING judges in order to get elected? Enquiring Minds wanna know.
Allright I’m outtie. I’m off to the theatre — SW will send you the link when I return.
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
5:47 pm
AmVet. Scooter…
“Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 7th, 2009
5:51 pm
Ms Bachmann would not be drawn on whether she would back Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska, as the Republican presidential candidate in 2012. But she pointed out that Ms Palin’s book, Going Rogue, hit number one on Amazon’s bestseller list last week, a month before release. “What did Nancy Pelosi’s [Democratic speaker of the House of Representatives] book sell in the first week?” Ms Bachmann asked. “Two thousand, seven hundred copies. Sarah Palin is a compelling political figure.”
“People are beginning to realise that Obama, mmm, mmmm, mmmm, is a socialist,” said Ms Bachmann. “And that is not the way America is.”-FT.Com
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 7th, 2009
5:57 pm
The liberals simply refuse to leave the kids out of their depravity-
Kids from the Ron Clark Academy are on CNN singing for health care reform set to Miley Cyrus’ “Party in the USA.” The song mentions “Obama says everyone needs health care now.”
Brainwashing just like Pol Pot and Hitler.
Obama Youth, plain and simple.
Jackie
October 7th, 2009
6:01 pm
As long as the Dems refuse to do what is required to help the people and resist trying to appease the Repubs, they will continue to lose the electorate.
Our two-party system is not a reality. Both parties operate the same but have different names, i.e., dba Dem, Repub.
The Dems are too afraid the Repubs will call them a “name” and they try to exhibit a measure of civility, without directly answering the usual untruth put forth by the Repubs.
If the Dems develop a backbone, the Repubs will no longer be a viable, relevant political entity.
Jackie
October 7th, 2009
6:05 pm
@I Report
Still trying to define what YOU think others should think and do?
thomas
October 7th, 2009
6:06 pm
Jackie,
You are correct, only rep. put forth outright untruths. There would never be a dem. to do such a thing as say I don’t know the rep. want you to die quickly, their plan is for you to die quickly.
And I know a democrat would not say those things only a few short weeks after Nancy Pelosi cried her way to saying the lies needed to stop.
Right?
AmVet
October 7th, 2009
6:09 pm
josef, it’s not a question of where he grips it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4_9kDO3q0w
I ask, name one good thing the democrats have done for the United States in the last nine months.
OK, let’s see chest pounder.
He’s escalated the troops, money and deaths in Quagmire Part Deux aka Afghanistan.
Go ahead and admit it, it won’t hurt ya big boy.
You’re thrilled at this development aren’t you?
Public Options Doing Swill
October 7th, 2009
6:09 pm
Jaggie- Let’s see here, the left wing democrats are on record for advising how to write off child prostitutes on your tax return. They are whining about the “mistreatment” of a child rapist.
I hear not a word from you perverts denouncing any of this, you just spin and cover for your fellow fiends.
You are sick.
In the head.
RollerGirl
October 7th, 2009
6:18 pm
“And their faithful cheer them on. To their own ruin…”
what the hell..why not..I cheered at good ol Chattahoochee High
2 4 6 8 to my ruin! I can’t wait!
We’re number 1
Can’t be number 2
And we’re going to beat
The sh*t out of you
2 bits 4 bits 6 bits a dollar
all for CHS(GOP) stand up and holla!
mmm mmmm mmmmm Barack Hussein obama..I likes that!
TnGelding
October 7th, 2009
6:19 pm
Say What??
October 7th, 2009
3:58 pm
No way. The elections weren’t even close.
Did you see where Perot cashed in again when Dell paid a premium price for Perot Systems?
“Dell to buy Perot Systems for $3.9 billion”
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousivMolt/idUSTRE58K1GS20090921
“Hewlett-Packard Buying EDS, Once GM Owned”
http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/05/hewlett-packard-buying-eds-once-gm-owned.html
TnGelding
October 7th, 2009
6:23 pm
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 7th, 2009
5:51 pm
That depends on what your definition of socialist is. Actually, that statement is absurd.
Bruno
October 7th, 2009
6:24 pm
When everything is falling apart, JC is still here for us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcqauC49Xmc
F. Sinkwich
October 7th, 2009
6:28 pm
I just saw the CBO federal deficit projections at: 9.9% of GDP. The highest ever the report said. CBO scored BHO’s (mmmm, mmmm, mmmm) health care bill costing $1.4 trillion over the next ten years with still twenty-some million people uninsured.
And the pundits can’t believe this might cause some problems for liberals?
I was very concerned for the future of our magnificent country at the end of last year. It’s prognosis was not good given the election by mindless drones of BHO (mmmm3). Post “purchase” cognitive dissonance has set in. That’s a very good thing.
America will get through this, just like it did after Carter. Maybe we needed this brush with socialism to discover our real purpose on this planet: Freedom and liberty for all.
But you knew that.
Bruno
October 7th, 2009
6:29 pm
Here’s one for you, Am:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_eUnxDE8YY&feature=related
“And though you want to last forever, you know you never will…..”
TnGelding
October 7th, 2009
6:30 pm
F. Sinkwich
October 7th, 2009
6:28 pm
Repeat after me: A U S T E R I T Y !
You’ll be hearing it a lot next year.
TnGelding
October 7th, 2009
6:30 pm
F. Sinkwich
October 7th, 2009
6:28 pm
Repeat after me: A U S T E R I T Y !
You’ll be hearing it a lot next year.
Tom
October 7th, 2009
6:33 pm
The ignorant, uneducated, masses continue on!
Public Option's Doing Swell
October 7th, 2009
6:39 pm
Jay mentioned cheerleaders in North Georgia in Catoosa county and a Christian message championed by John Oxendine (bible quotes on their banners like one from John 3:16). (John Oxendine has a republican party stalwart who is his daddy who was abruptly kicked off the Gwinette Superior Court bench for practicing law on the side for a profitable land sale while still on the Gwinette Superior Court bench).
This morning a similar case was argued in a courtroom up in D.C. before the Supremes. It was Solicitor General Elena Kagan’s second field trip into a courtroom in her life, even though ironically she came to the office of SG from the office of Dean of Harvard Law. It wasn’t pretty for Elena the first time, and it was pretty ugly the second. She looked more like the Harvard Law school’s chief janitor and she got ripped by everyone by the ventriloquism team. Seven justices tore her to pieces, and Scalia the Ventriloquist and his dummy Thomas had little to say.
Once upon a time, in the Mohave National Preserve, an eight foot cross was erected on National Park Service land. Easter sunrise services have been held there for 70 years. I’m going to guess that cross is associated with Christianity–a religion practiced by some people in the US. But here’s the kicker–no other religion is allowed to put a monument on National Park land–only the Christians. If you’re a Jew and you want to put a Star of David there, you can’t. The Buddhists wanted to put a memorial there and they were denied. If you’re a Muslim–no way. That translates to public land preferentially putting a monument from only one religion. John Oxendine, Pat Buchanan, Bobby Jindal, and Huckaby would be proud.
The district court ruled the cross violated the Establishment clause, and the US Congress immediately traded the land to a veterans group in exchange for other property. Then the district court ruled they continued to violate the Constitution. Ninth Circuit affirmed. The U.S. tried to argue the challenger lacked standing. They also tried to defend Congress’s keeping the cross up, but refusing any other religion to erect their monument. They could have avoided a problem by opening up park land for other memorials, but they refused.
The former dean of Harvard found herself less experienced than thousands of Harvard Law 3rd years who participate regularly in courtroom litigation as interms, and also participate as intern clerks for US Magistrates and District judges in federal court.
When the inexperienced former Harvard Law dean sent her argument that the individual had no standing, seven justices shot her down hard, telling her she should have argued that in the courts below–too late to raise it as a new issue in the Supreme court. This is a standard appellate principle taught to every Harvard freshman in criminal law, and later in Professor Tribe and others’ constitutional law course.
Normally it is risky to try to predict the outcome of any appellate case on the basis of oral argument, but given the facts and law in this case, I’d say neophyte Elana Kagan will be 0-2 and that big cross is coming down. It will be somewhat interesting how widely the Supremes apply this, but given precedent they will again rule that it is unconstitutional for religious preference to be given in a public place.
It could not have gone worse for Kagan if she had let one of the Lakeview-Fort Oglethorpe High cheerleaders do her oral argument.
F. Sinkwich
October 7th, 2009
6:46 pm
TnGelding, we won’t be hearing “austerity” I’m afraid. We’ll be hearing “spend more and tax more.”
BHO has no concern for the producers of this society. In fact, he hates them.
Based upon his actions since his immaculation, I sincerely believe he hates this country as it is, and wants to see it transformed into an uber-welfare basket case. Then it might finally atone for its sins.
He is scary. But he won’t win. Americans are much stronger than he is, but he doesn’t believe it.
Public Option's Doing Swell
October 7th, 2009
6:46 pm
For the record, party affiliation of the fired Acorn employees who weinire taped by two Repubozkains posing as pimp and prostitute was never established except in the mind of some previous poster here. Gnat-freightrain.
I thought that by posing as pimp and hooker they were representing the Repubozokins on the Senate-Finance committee who took money from insurance company johns anyway.
Or they could have been representing federal inmate to be John Ensign who ran crying to his mommy and daddy to pay off his hooker before violating the federal lobbying statute and lying about it with multiple documents that prove he violated the statute.
ieberman $12.6M, mcconnell $7.8M, baucus $7.7M, cornyn $6.7M, kyl $5.6M, grassley $5.4M,
ensign $5.2M, conrad $5.1M, cantor $4.9M, nelson $4.9M, burr $4.8M, boehner $4.4M, hatch $4.4M,
lincoln $4.1M, vitter $3.9M, carper $3.6M were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to
kill Health Care Reform. (Source: OpenSecrets.org, Aug 09′)
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 7th, 2009
6:47 pm
John McCain was such an incompetent presidential candidate last year that he lost to an unelectably left-wing extremist, enabling a Far Left takeover of America. It is amazing that his campaign advisors like Steve Schmidt even have the gall to show their face in Republican circles after that miserable, brain dead performance, let alone lay a claim to party leadership. John McCain is not the head of the Republican Party. He is the great mistake of 2008, whose policy and political insights led the party to its worst defeat since 1932.
Here, here.
mmmm, mmmm, mmmmccain.
AmVet
October 7th, 2009
6:47 pm
Bruno, thanks.
Too bad he turned Mooslim. Seriously…
Those three records Mona Bone Jakon, Tea for the Tillerman and Teaser and the Firecat were all superb and I damn near wore them all out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q29YR5-t3gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jrYwbYXc2o
Public Option's Doing Swell
October 7th, 2009
6:50 pm
House Progressive Caucus Whip Count on Robust Public Option
Democrats only, 217 needed for passage
Yes: 183
No: 22
Undecided: 20
Not Whipped: 31
All 22 of the no votes are Blue Dogs.
F. Sinkwich
October 7th, 2009
6:51 pm
Public Option:
Just so you know, friend to friend, nobody reads your crap.
But thanks for asking.
jconservative
October 7th, 2009
6:51 pm
josef nix October 7th, 2009 4:56 pm
jconservative–
@ 4:50
“Why shouldn’t they be happy? Unlike us they don’t yet have to deal with what a sorry mess they’ve made of things…”
Josef, I was actually thinking of the national debt we have left for them – $11,927,435,900,948.90 as of 10/06/2009.
Public Option's Doing Swell
October 7th, 2009
7:00 pm
Sinkwhich–
In other words you don’t know any issues well enough to make a point. And you’re a proud, flag waving Repubozokin extremist.
You and Katy Abram could do brain transplants and nothing would change.
Gotcha.
Kamchak
October 7th, 2009
7:02 pm
Public Option:
Just so you know, friend to friend, nobody reads your crap.
But thanks for asking.
F. Sinkwich–please do not presume speak for me. Just sayin’.
Public Option's Doing Swell
October 7th, 2009
7:06 pm
I don’t understand what in the world is wrong with Cat Stevens choosing the Muslim religion Amvet. His life is a model for selflessness. He chose to leave fame and fortune to devote his life to educational and philanthropic causes. He was in the UK (a western democracy when he did it) and as far as I know you live in the US (another western democracy). Freedom of religion is alive and well in both, and it will be a little more alive when that 8 foot cross comes down in the Mohave National Preserve which the Supreme Court will probably order close to Christmas or Hanukah or Kwanza.
F. Sinkwich
October 7th, 2009
7:06 pm
Kamchak, I am speaking for myself.
Public Option's Doing Swell
October 7th, 2009
7:08 pm
Go Twins. Big inning; 4 hits; Twins lead 2-0.
Public Option's Doing Swell
October 7th, 2009
7:08 pm
Is there a Sinkwhich health plan I haven’t been fortunate enough to read?
Public Option's Doing Swell
October 7th, 2009
7:09 pm
Sinkwhich–
H1N1 Vaccine–you for it or agin’ it? Seen what’s happening in Miami Dade this week? Death.
Kamchak
October 7th, 2009
7:11 pm
Kamchak, I am speaking for myself.
Then please do so, and avoid blanket statements like “nobody reads your crap.”
I did not nor will I ever grant you the authority to speak on my behalf.
Public Option's Doing Swell
October 7th, 2009
7:14 pm
Additional laboratory confirmed H1N1 Swine Flu deaths have been verified in the following:
A 20-year-old female in Alachua County, a 52-year-old female in Baker County, a 24-year-old-female in Citrus County, a 49-year-old female in Miami-Dade County, a 78-year-old male in Miami-Dade County, a 53-year-old female in Hernando County, and a 15-year-old male in Volusia County. While most cases of H1N1 Swine Flu are mild, there are exceptions.
Pre-existing health conditions often play a role in how individuals react to the flu.
To-date, there have been 109 laboratory confirmed H1N1 Swine Flu deaths in Florida.
I think Florida is that one under Georgia on the map.
F. Sinkwich
October 7th, 2009
7:15 pm
Public Option:
I think I will get vaccinated for the flu. What does that have to do with anything?
Just askin’
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October 7th, 2009
7:16 pm
Debbie:
@@ Please explain how Obama’s election was corrupt.
I never said Obama’s election was corrupt. It’s his all-out effort to bring about “change” that’s got people looking more closely. He’s done it to himself. His reference to “transforming” was taken to mean from Republican to Democrat. People had no idea he would go as far as he has.
“““““““““““““““`
Great! JUST GREAT!….this administration has now pithed off Pakistan’s military. They’ve spent four months planning a major offensive in South Warziristan hoping to avoid past strategic mistakes.
There are key differences between the Pakistani army’s upcoming campaign and its last attempt. This time around, the Pakistani military will be going into South Waziristan with nearly four times more troops, more preparation and the benefit of having learned lessons from the 2004 campaign. This campaign has been in the works since June, when the Pakistani military, coming off of a successful campaign against militants in the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), began to launch attack helicopter and artillery strikes against militant positions in South Waziristan in an effort to soften up enemy positions in the area. – Stratfor
They’ve been doing a great job pursuing radical islamists. Now….?
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
7:18 pm
AmVet–thanks for the Monty Python! “I’m not dead yet. In fact, I’m feeling much better…”
Bruno–JC, a true genius…
jconservative–kinda makes you wonder what kind of mess they’ll leave their kids, doesn’t it?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
October 7th, 2009
7:19 pm
Hey, Public Option’s Doing Swill, you got an honorable mention from Miss Coulter!
(18) America’s lower life expectancy compared to countries with socialist health care proves that their medical systems are superior.
President Obama, mmmm, mmmm, mmmm, has too much intellectual pride to make such a specious argument, so instead we have to keep hearing it from his half-wit supporters.
That’s you, dude.
F. Sinkwich
October 7th, 2009
7:19 pm
Kamchak:
Nobody = hyperbole. You want to read his musings, have fun. But I warn you that your IQ will decline as you do.
Friendly advice, take it or leave it.
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
7:25 pm
AmVet–a Greek converting to Islam in England speaks to deep psychological problems stemming back to early childhood the way I see it…
Kamchak
October 7th, 2009
7:25 pm
Nobody = hyperbole.
Nope. What you are doing is akin to what nlpers call a “command phrase.” Examples are:
Everybody must understand—
Everybody needs to know—
Everybody has to admit—
These phrases are stock and trade to the talk-radio biz.
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
7:28 pm
“… your IQ will decline as you do.”
Well, all I can say is that K’chak could drop a few points and still be out in front of most of the rest of us here…
Kayaker 71
October 7th, 2009
7:28 pm
Rasmussen poll today:
29% of the electorate strong approve of Bozo’s performance
37% strongly disapprove giving him a presidential index rating of minus 8.
59% favor changing proposed health care plans so that no new taxes are paid for those making less than 250K/yr.
49% say that they approve at least somewhat of Bozo’s performance.
50% strongly disapprove.
In addition, only 21% of the electorate strongly approve of our Democratic congress, one of the lowest approval ratings in recent history.
So half of the electorate somewhat approve of Bozo, 79% of the electorate disapprove of our Congress and 50% strongly disapprove of Bozo and his gang of thieves. Not enough to get health care passed and certainly not enough to give the Annointed One a second term.
Worried yet, Dems?
Public Option's Doing Swell
October 7th, 2009
7:28 pm
One of my worthless non-read posts earlier made the point that in polls conducted by local TV stations, 75% of parents polled are refusing to get the H1N1 vaccine for their children or themselves. I had the chance to talk to parents from a school today in a group that included the bus drivers as well, and virtually all of them thought that vaccination had some chance of giving you H1N1, and many of them were afraid of it. That’s not the case. Most of them are inactivated viruses, killed viruses, and a few are live attenuated viruses and none of them give you the disease they are vaccinating against.
The other fears that were unwarrented but understandable came from side effects in vaccines they received many years ago in childhood that are not a factor now.
You should definitely get vaccinated as soon as you can, and so should everyone in your extended family regardless of age. The exception is infants under 6 months, and the mist won’t be used in kids under 2.
But if you’re not reading this you’re doing swell like the public option. Do you have a health care reform plan you’re promoting? Is it kill reform?
F. Sinkwich
October 7th, 2009
7:28 pm
“nlpers” ??????
We’re done.
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
7:33 pm
Enter your comments here
K’chak—
Everybody must understand—
Everybody needs to know—
Everybody has to admit—
Since Normal’s absent: “…everybody loves somebody sometime…”
“We’re done.”
Then by all means serve at room temperature.
Kamchak
October 7th, 2009
7:33 pm
“nlpers”??????
We’re done.
I’ll try to contain my shock and awe.
Kamchak
October 7th, 2009
7:38 pm
josef
I try to put on Milton Erickson’s shoes, but alas they don’t fit.
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
7:41 pm
K’chak @ 7:38′
You are getting sleepy… let your mind go blank…
rcs
October 7th, 2009
7:43 pm
PODS,
why should I definitely get vaccinated as soon as I can? I personally do not see the need.
josef nix
October 7th, 2009
7:48 pm
K’chak–before I forget…went back and looked over the moderated posts and, no, the R word wasn’t there…so, it’s back to my paranoid delusions of importance!
AmVet
October 7th, 2009
7:53 pm
PODS, I do not fault him. And such tolerance is desirable. But I find it more problematic.
To the extent that he is a force for good, which his music clearly has been and is, I do support. And bought An Other Cup when it came out in 2006. And as I alluded to earlier several of his early LPs.
I am not saying he is not free to choose as he sees best. We all in theory can.
And in this context, I am only saying I do feel compelled to be supportive of ANY follower of the ANY of the great Abrahamic faiths out of some sort of outdated and sociologically mandated guilt regarding organized religion.
Notwithstanding infinite flowery rhetoric of righteousness and mercy, as well as notions of inane inerrancy, these organizations have condoned a not insignificant number of their adherents/fanatics to hijack, to an unacceptable degree, their religion, and use it to justify murdering innocent people.
All three of them. The other great religions are and have been guilty of mass homicide as well, but aren’t even in this league anymore.
Even my supposed tribe builds walls now ,ala Berlin (I know, I know, to keep them out, not in.)
But it is responsibility and DUTY of the men who run these organizations, to stop their killers. Not ours. And I believe with enough effort they could. But the disease is so systemic in so many parts of the world now, they won’t even attempt it. And really never did.
We non-adherents are just stuck with the “mission” because they do something else. Yet they still contend they are the way and the truth and the light.
But I just don’t see any redemption. And certainly no salvation or virgin laden paradise.
Ah, what the hell, josef is usually more succinct, eloquent and correct than I anyway…
Kamchak
October 7th, 2009
7:58 pm
josef
Just because you’ve self-diagnosed as paranoid–it doesn’t mean Jay’s not out to get you.
Seriously, a trans-state is not the only way to access the subconscious–simply repeating the message[us good, them bad...us good, them bad...us good, them bad] as per talk-radio for the last +30 years, is a more sinister means of implanting a program. Kinda reminds me of what I was warned about in elementary school in the 60’s regarding “soviet propaganda.”