Ga.’s sex-offender laws an injustice themselves
You know, it takes a lot to generate sympathy for a sex offender. But Georgia’s draconian laws about where sex offenders can live are doing the trick. It’s downright ridiculous.
“A group of homeless sex offenders who had been living in tents in the woods behind an office park near Marietta were told they had to leave the land by Tuesday.
“We don’t want to allow anyone to live on our property for liability issues,” said Mark McKinnon, a spokesman for the Georgia Department of Transportation, which owns the wooded land where the sex offenders had taken residence.
Several men said their probation officers had told them about the encampment as a kind of last resort for homeless sex offenders trying to meet the strict residency requirements of their probation.
Georgia’s law prohibits the state’s 16,000 sex offenders from living, working or loitering within 1,000 feet of schools, churches, child care facilities and other areas where children gather. It limits the locations where they can live….
William Hawkins, 34, a registered sex offender living in the camp, gathered his belongings Tuesday.
He’s not sure where he’s going to go.
When Hawkins was 15 years old, he had sex with a 12-year-old in Florida and received two years of house arrest and 10 years’ probation. “I have a 19-year-old case. Technically, I don’t think I have to be on it,” Hawkins said of the sex offender registry.”
The law hounding those people has no real purpose but to, well, hound them. As experts have testified to the Georgia Legislature, it serves little or no protective function. A sexual predator intent on finding victims will do so, regardless of where he (or occasionally she) is forced to live. Furthermore, unlike many states, Georgia law makes no distinction between somebody like Hawkins and somebody who has a history of true predation.
An even better example is Wendy Whitaker, who as a 17-year-old was caught performing oral sex on a 15-year-old classmate. That incident back in 1996 put her on the same sex offender list as a multiple rapist, As The Economist recently pointed out in an article featuring Whitaker as an example:
“The Georgia Sex Offender Registration Review Board, an official body, assessed a sample of offenders on the registry last year and concluded that 65% of them posed little threat. Another 30% were potentially threatening, and 5% were clearly dangerous.”
Given that reality, throwing them all into the same bag and forcing them to live together in surreptitious little communities helps no one. If serious threats must be freed, restrict their movements and track them closely. But don’t pretend that they’re all the same. Law enforcement officials have already told legislators that the law is overly strict, forcing officers to spend precious time tracking low-risk offenders that could better be spent elsewhere. But politicians passed the law as an act of grandstanding, and so far they haven’t summoned the courage to correct it.
Of course, much of the rest of the world is more intrigued by the case of Roman Polanksi, who hasn’t exactly been living in a tent city in the 32 years since he drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl. Ann Woolner, a columnist for Bloomberg, explores that case and reaches what I think is the right conclusion:
“The shame is that it has taken this long to sort everything out. The blame for that lies with Polanski for refusing to answer for evading the law.
Celebrate the man’s talent, honor his contributions to filmmaking. However gifted he is, Polanski’s art can’t serve as a reason to ignore his terrible crime or his refusal to answer for it.”
The injustice done to the Wendy Whitakers of the world, and maybe to the William Hawkins, far outweigh any alleged unfairness to Polanski.
UPDATE: I should note that my colleague Cynthia Tucker has also weighed in on the Polanski case, reaching a verdict similar to Woolner’s.
“It’s important for Polanski to face the bar of justice, even thirty years late. His appearance would serve as an example to others among the wealthy and glamorous that they are not above the law. Neither money, fame, connections nor artistic achievement should excuse you from facing up to your crimes. Forcing Polanski into court, in a case which will receive lots of media attention, might also stiffen the resolve of other victims of sexual violence who are trying to find the courage to face their abusers.”
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September 30th, 2009
11:27 am
USinUK, opinions vary.
FinnMcCool
September 30th, 2009
11:27 am
Tax and USinUK are right.
As soon as some “innocent” rich kid or politician’s kid gets ostracized to the woods this solution will be “inhumane” and “non-christian like.”
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 30th, 2009
11:28 am
“We brought the global economy back from the brink,” President Obozo said at the close of the G-20 meeting last week. “(B)ecause of the bold and coordinated action that we took, millions of jobs have been saved or created; the decline in output has been stopped; financial markets have come back to life”.
Imagine what this illiterate would say if the economy actually was turning around, instead of miring deeper into the great depression, the libs would be having televised orgies of themselves.
ew
FinnMcCool
September 30th, 2009
11:30 am
I Report is like the snooping nancy in everyone’s neighborhood: Worried about what is going on in everyone else’s yard/house/country while thinking their own home is perfect.
Hef
September 30th, 2009
11:31 am
I grew up in the 60’s & 70’s and I got to admit KISS was’nt that big in my area of the world.They did have a following but small,Led Zep,Bad Co.,Lynrd Skynrd(I know spelled wrong-shoot me),Wings,Stones, Little Feat&Pink Floyd were bands of choice.
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
11:31 am
whiner –
“Imagine what this illiterate would say if the economy actually was turning around, instead of miring deeper into the great depression, the libs would be having televised orgies of themselves.”
recovery??? you’re soaking in it!! since you evidently missed the news earlier:
The worst U.S. recession since the Great Depression eased more than anticipated in the second quarter, setting the stage for a recovery to take hold in the last half of 2009.
The world’s largest economy shrank at a 0.7 percent annual rate from April through June, the best performance in more than a year, revised figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Gross domestic product contracted at a 6.4 percent pace in the first three months of 2009.
Government stimulus plans such as “cash for clunkers” and first-time homebuyer credits are giving manufacturing and housing, the two areas at the center of the economic slump, a boost this quarter. Federal Reserve policy makers are among those concerned that gains in consumer spending will not be sustained as unemployment climbs and incomes stagnate.
“The economy was certainly bottoming out in the second quarter,” said Michelle Meyer, an economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New York. “Businesses are in better shape to start production. Massive government spending has been supportive of growth and will continue to help.”
-snip-
Purchases are recovering this quarter. Sales at retailers surged in August by the most in three years, boosted by demand for automobiles as Americans rushed to take advantage of the “cash for clunkers” plan, figures from the Commerce Department showed earlier this month.
A smaller decline in business investment on equipment and software than previously estimated also contributed to the improved reading on GDP, the report said. Such spending fell at a 4.9 percent annual pace, compared with the 8.4 percent decline announced last month.
Inventories Plunge
Today’s report showed the record drop in stockpiles in the second quarter was even larger than previously estimated, paving the way for gains in manufacturing in the second half of the year. Automakers General Motors Co. and Ford Motor Co. are among firms boosting production in coming months.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=a3g5lqDmy2N8
ken
September 30th, 2009
11:31 am
This is probably the only time I have agreed with you.
Turd Ferguson
September 30th, 2009
11:34 am
I too was not much of a KISS fan until I actually listened to their albums. Try it and ya just might change ya mind.
Turd Ferguson
September 30th, 2009
11:35 am
Why does HealthCare keep skyrocketing? Well here is a portion of the answer…
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/22/illegal.immigrants.healthcare/index.html
Send the BUMS back!!
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
11:35 am
Hef,
Wings? OMG, Lynyrd Skynyrd makes my skin crawl and so do the Eagles. But Pink Floyd? Now, your talking.
FinnMcCool
September 30th, 2009
11:35 am
I bet if we went back to public stoning we would have a lot less crime.
Maybe we could bring back some of the old European torture devices too?
There’s one where they put you in a wooden cask with only your head sticking out and they haul you around town stopping to allow people to empty their bedpans into the cask with you. Your flesh starts rotting off after a week or so.
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
11:37 am
Finn,
That is very disturbing.
Hef
September 30th, 2009
11:38 am
Turd-I have,they just don’t do it for me.However “Hard Luck Woman” would be my favorite if I had to choose. Garth Brooks cover of same is quite good also.
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
11:39 am
It’s a banner day!!!! I got all five answers on the Find 5 Challenge!!! I rule!!
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
11:39 am
Bosch –
hey … don’t go dissing on Wings … I love Band on the Run and Live and Let Die … Floyd is brilliant … as is Little Feat … someone forgot to include Allman Bros on the list …
Doggone/GA
September 30th, 2009
11:39 am
“I bet if we went back to public stoning we would have a lot less crime.”
Didn’t seem to work very well in Biblical days, did it?
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
11:40 am
Bosch –
11:39 – well done – treat yourself to some cheesy shrimpy grits …
FinnMcCool
September 30th, 2009
11:40 am
USinUK, if your economic news isn’t from the Heritage Foundation, you might as well throw it away!
Republicans know where the truth can be found!
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
11:40 am
“Didn’t seem to work very well in Biblical days, did it?”
oh, you mean THAT kind of stoned …
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
11:41 am
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay –
You know you did it, but now it’s officially banned – I wonder if the offenders will be required to register as sex offenders:
Boston-area college bans sex with roommate around
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/boston-area-college-bans-149990.html?cxntlid=thbz_hm&imw=Y
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
11:42 am
Finn –
hahaha … true that … call me one of those people in the reality-based community
md
September 30th, 2009
11:42 am
Funny how the state worries about sex offenders, but murederers can live anywhere. Go figure.
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
11:43 am
USinUK,
I think I will!!!
Snort. Public stoning – I was publically stoned alot back in the day!
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
11:44 am
Oh, and USinUK,
I didn’t know who Wings was – but now I do – Sir Paul’s post-Beatles gig.
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
11:44 am
Bosch –
“Boston-area college bans sex with roommate around”
that reminds me of one of my favorite calls to Dr. Drew – “my college roommate thinks I’m asleep and she starts … taking care of personal business. how do I let her know I’m not asleep??” Dr. Drew’s answer was that she should clear her throat, but it made me wonder how Miss Manners would have handled the question …
OfCourse
September 30th, 2009
11:45 am
Georgia lawmakers have no common sense. If you are tired of your tax dollars paying for teenage girlfriend/boyfriend offenders being punished for the rest of their lives just like the real predators, sit back and do nothing. If you are sick of these laws, which are STUPID and eating up your tax dollars paying the judicial system and prisons, take a stand and push these lawmakers to make some changes. You may not think this effects your family, but mark my word, chances are someone you know down the line will be caught up in some of Georgia’s crazy archaic laws.
starbuck
September 30th, 2009
11:45 am
With winter coming and the possibility of one of these people freezing to death out in the woods, whose supposed to pay for the burial? Taxpayers, next of kin, sex offender burial fund?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 30th, 2009
11:46 am
U StinK- Perhaps you should read your own cut and paste-
Federal Reserve policy makers are among those concerned that gains in consumer spending will not be sustained as unemployment climbs and incomes stagnate.
What your article says, distilled down to the nutshell and sans the left wing media propaganda speak, is that as long as the government still has money to spend, everything might be ok.
You should Google “China, diversification” for a long term forecast on that^^ nonsense.
Matilda
September 30th, 2009
11:47 am
KISS – from the third row, back in the days when you could um….. relax and enjoy concerts. Yeah, baby!
Kamchak
September 30th, 2009
11:47 am
Bosch
It seems you have more than one stalker.
Hef
September 30th, 2009
11:48 am
Bosch-How could I forget my Eagles,yes still am a big fan,sorry. They harmonize so well,they’re live albums are great. I also forgot The Who,Animals, The Kinks & th Guess Who to name a few. I went to a Ted Nugent concert many years ago,he was good.The opening band was fantastic Van Halen,they were new to the scene, man could they rock!
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
11:48 am
USinUK,
Clear her throat? Double snort.
Paul
September 30th, 2009
11:49 am
Bosch
[[Hey Paul! I really po-ed someone today – did ya’ hear? Apparently I’m a liar]]
Yeah, I saw that exchange. It’s kinda normal for some people, though, when they get all frustrated and get their egos wrapped up in their opinions to resort to the adult blogger’s equivalent of a child’s “you doodoo head!”
But keep it in perspective. People like that, well, I’d wager they don’t even like Battlestar Galactica, so how much should you let their aspersions get to you?
On another topic, Democrats (and some Republicans, but it’s Democrats who are running the show) tied into the military industrial complex are at it again. Pentagon has a type of funds called Operations and Maintenance. Used for daily operations, training, supplies, that kind of stuff. Seems Congress wants to cut about 4 BILLION from what the President wants for O&M and use it to force the Air Force to buy more cargo planes it doesn’t need and for pet projects by influential (guess which party has the influence?) lawmakers.
Sen McCain’s leading a valiant effort to shut it down but he’ll likely go down in flames.
The Pres isn’t threatening a veto over this. I wish he would.
William
September 30th, 2009
11:50 am
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
11:44 am
Bosch –
“Boston-area college bans sex with roommate around”
I took college online and my wife still had that rule!!
FinnMcCool
September 30th, 2009
11:51 am
good point, md.
Maybe we could put the sex offenders on an island with bankers who caused the economic mess? Throw in some murderers too.
Reality TV, anyone? I’ll bring the popcorn!
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
11:51 am
whiner –
“What your article says, distilled down to the nutshell and sans the left wing media propaganda speak, is that as long as the government still has money to spend, everything might be ok.”
awwwww … grasping at straws is just so CUTE when you do it, whiner!
we’re in a U-shaped recovery, but a recovery we are definitely in — too bad that you’re so partisan you’re cheering for the country to fail rather than for the Fed’s and Obama’s policies to succeed.
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
11:52 am
Kamchak,
Oh no! I might need to beef up my security detail. It’s always a good day when you rile the wingnuts – and today, hell, I didn’t even have to do anything but show up!
Hef,
U2, and the Clash – Joshua Tree and London Calling. Enough said.
Hey, word on the street is that your fiance is hot!
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
11:54 am
WBH – keepin’ it classy, as usual
(I could have sworn that you said you were leaving and never coming back … and yet, here you are)
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
11:55 am
Bosch –
“U2, and the Clash – Joshua Tree and London Calling. Enough said”
TESTIFY!
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
11:55 am
Paul,
“People like that, well, I’d wager they don’t even like Battlestar Galactica”
I know man, some people just don’t get it like we do, huh?
William,
Wow, that sucks for you man – sorry.
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
11:58 am
Paul,
We’ve been abloggin’ here for quite a long time now – don’t you think a two day tirade is a record? I rule!!
USinUK,
Testify indeed!!! That gets me every time.
Kamchak
September 30th, 2009
12:00 pm
(I could have sworn that you said you were leaving and never coming back … and yet, here you are)
Reminds me of another drama queen. I think it’s all about the indignant departure–then they miss the fainting couch.
Say What??
September 30th, 2009
12:01 pm
It’s Bush’s fault. Either him or Cheney. There, I beat you to it.
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
12:01 pm
Kam –
“I think it’s all about the indignant departure–then they miss the fainting couch.”
Wyld Bill (leaving in a) Huff
(now we know … he’s actually a 14-year old girl)
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
12:02 pm
Say What??
My bet is it’s Cheney’s fault – because, you know, he’s evil and all that.
stands for decibels
September 30th, 2009
12:07 pm
Oh no! I might need to beef up my security detail.
@@ be packin’ empty juice boxes and Chips Ahoy wrappers.
stands for decibels
September 30th, 2009
12:08 pm
I don’t know how we got from KISS to the Clash, but I’m pretty sure it violates some Mosaic law, mentioning them in the same comments thread.
jt
September 30th, 2009
12:09 pm
The KISS army back in the day, turned into the lib-tards of today.
I knew it then and I know it now, Real rock stars and real men have no business wearing make-up.
(although I did see them in 79). Buncha pansies.
Taxpayer
September 30th, 2009
12:10 pm
Didn’t seem to work very well in Biblical days, did it?
I wasn’t there so I don’t know. Perhaps we should all get stoned and find out.
md
September 30th, 2009
12:10 pm
“we’re in a U-shaped recovery, but a recovery we are definitely in — too bad that you’re so partisan you’re cheering for the country to fail rather than for the Fed’s and Obama’s policies to succeed.”
I wouldn’t count the chickens too early. I’ve read many an economist that are predicting a W-shaped recovery, meaning a double bottom, and with the current un-expected drop in consumer confidence, the upcoming holiday season should give us a good indicator. I’m not seeing it around me, as more and more small businesses continue to close as they have hung on as long as they could and no help in sight. Unemployment still rising, many have given up all together, and foreclosures backlogged in the system. The housing maket must clear inventory, and with the foreclosures looming, look for standing inventory to increase.
With that in mind, I tend to think the W is more likely than the U.
Paul
September 30th, 2009
12:10 pm
Bosch
[[don’t you think a two day tirade is a record? I rule!!]]
We’ve seen some bloggers who’ve since departed whose every post was a tirade. But I see your point, and yup, for an on topic and consistent tirade, eloquently delivered, you do indeed rule.
‘Course, that’s kinda like saying you have the biggest ball of navel lint, but hey…..
Cheney is evil? Really? Does it extend to all things as a pervasive characteristic, or is it restricted to certain facets of a political nature? Is redemption possible? And anyhow, isn’t evil necessary so we can know how to recognize the good?
Unlike Rangel. Didja know he’s a complete crook, hasn’t shown the least amount of remorse, AND…. Speaker Pelosi encourages his crookedness… which is not a characteristic of goodness… so…. she’s a partner with Cheney!!! HA!
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
12:11 pm
Jay –
okay, there is REALLY nothing wrong with my 12:09 or 12:10 … please release me … let me goooooo …
USinUK
September 30th, 2009
12:13 pm
md –
it’s not going to be a pretty recovery (especially as the banks are still keeping the purse strings very tight) … however, even the investment call I was just on this afternoon says a U-shaped recovery – just not a steep one …
Turd Ferguson
September 30th, 2009
12:15 pm
Hey Finn…here are some more favorites…
The Brazen Bull
The Pear of Anquish
The Iron Maiden
The Judas Cradle
The Crocodile Tube
The Brank
Which are your favorites?
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Taxpayer
September 30th, 2009
12:17 pm
A “W” shaped recovery! Who says irony is not alive and kicking. You just gotta know which Bush to look behind.
stands for decibels
September 30th, 2009
12:18 pm
The KISS army back in the day, turned into the lib-tards of today.
I knew it then and I know it now, Real rock stars and real men have no business wearing make-up.
(although I did see them in 79). Buncha pansies.
See, that’s where I take what might be respectful issue on a fairly serious issue.
My beef with KISS is that it seemed a hopelessly reactionary outfit. They hopped aboard something that was already so over it wasn’t funny–crunch-guitar glam rock, out of T.Rex and Bowie’s Ziggy phase–and stripped it of any kind of liberating social context it might’ve had. While they might’ve had a few punk fans back in the day, if I remember right, mostly they were beloved by the dopier hard-rock/metal guys, the sort of louts who had just figured out in ‘79 that “DISCO SUCKS!”
That said, I don’t think I’ve ever heard more than a few actual tracks of theirs in their entirety, so maybe as Turd claimed there was something there in the albums. (and the solo spinoff tune “New York Groove” is actually a pretty good song). But I stand by my assertion that KISS sucked because they were fundamentally conservative.
Taxpayer
September 30th, 2009
12:21 pm
Limbaugh, Huckabee, Thompson and Gingrich were the original members of KISS.
Hef
September 30th, 2009
12:21 pm
Bosch@11:52-I don’t like to brag well yes I do when I can,No she’s EXTREMELY BEAUTIFULL!!!(yes I know to many LL’s,they stand for her gorgeous legs). I’m lucky to have her,and funny enough she thinks it’s the other way around,yes lucky indeed.
Vanessa
September 30th, 2009
12:22 pm
Anyone who derides the concerns expressed by Jay and others as defending sex offenders is missing the point. It’s not about their “rights.” The real problem is that Georgia’s system allows the truly dangerous, vicious predators to avoid the law enforcement attention and social stigma they deserve by mixing in with the much larger herd of lesser offenders and non predators. By applying justice with more intelligent and discriminating intent instead of with punitive mass hysteria, the citizens of Georgia could help the justice system and society focus on those criminals who SHOULD face ongoing scrutiny, punishment and separation from the community. The way the laws are now, we can’t even tell who the really scary predators are…
JJ
September 30th, 2009
12:22 pm
Castrate all child molesters, rapists and register them after thier prison time. Any statutory cases should be dealt with through courts and common sense. Simple as that.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 30th, 2009
12:23 pm
As has been pointed out countless times, the morons in the JawJaw legislature are afraid to make granular laws that would not lable two kids within 2 or 3 years of each other as well as the age of consent “sex offenders.” Or to satisfy their sense of hypocritical self-righteousness where they make laws in one hour and go see their hooker-mistress the next, they could make consensual sex a misdemeanor not subject to any of the sex-offender lables and laws.
These tent cities have sprung up all over the country, under viaducts with no sewage or electricity and are a testamant to stupidity.
Naturally, these are laws written by Repubozos, and typical.
Tonia
September 30th, 2009
12:23 pm
Our current sex offender registry laws are doing nothing to protect our children. In fact, in a lot of cases, it is our children ending up on the registries, some for life. There are too many non-violent crimes that are landing people on the registries, with restrictions that are not only unreasonable but unconstitutional. How is someone supposed to have any type of a future with this label? What about the teenagers on the list for consensual sex? I dont think a 19 year old who has consensual sex with his 16 year old girlfriend should be considered a sex offender. What about the dumb teens posting nude pictures of themselves on MySpace? Do you think these teenagers and young adults should be categorized as child molesters? Well, they are. Our laws need reform and they need it now – before we are all sex offenders.
http://www.love-is-not-a-crime.com
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 30th, 2009
12:24 pm
As has been pointed out countless times, the morons in the JawJaw legislature are afraid to make granular laws that would not lable two kids within 2 or 3 years of each other as well as the age of consent “sex offenders.” Or to satisfy their sense of hypocritical self-righteousness where they make laws in one hour and go see their hooker-mistress the next, they could make consensual sex a misdemeanor not subject to any of the sex-offender lables and laws.
These tent cities have sprung up all over the country, under viaducts with no sewage or electricity and are a testamant to stupidity.
Naturally, these are laws written by Repubozos, and typical.
.
KUHF
September 30th, 2009
12:25 pm
morris is an idiot
stands for decibels
September 30th, 2009
12:26 pm
Limbaugh, Huckabee, Thompson and Gingrich were the original members of KISS.
Also, John Ensign penned “I was made for lovin’ you.”
md
September 30th, 2009
12:26 pm
“it’s not going to be a pretty recovery (especially as the banks are still keeping the purse strings very tight) … however, even the investment call I was just on this afternoon says a U-shaped recovery – just not a steep one …”
I’m not too sure the investors are looking at the entire painting. Even as job loss slows and consumer confidence picks up, people’s spending philosophy has changed. Those that have it are thinking twice before using it, and those that don’t have it can not get the credit they once did. All that points to decreased spending in a consumer driven economy. And as you said, they banks are hoarding what they have in fear of going under. I also see commercial real estate about to blow up as they too have held on about as long as they could, but with each closing business, they can no longer make their payments. “For lease” signs don’t exactly pay the rent.
Hef
September 30th, 2009
12:26 pm
Bosch-How bouts some Moody Blues & early Santana? Wow I feel old!!
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 30th, 2009
12:27 pm
Speaking of typical Repubozos, what your Repubozo insurance hookers are teeing up in Senate Finance that will be trashed on the floor is to raise insurance prices dramatically, make them compulsory, and the penalty is one year in federal prison with 25 grand fine.
Welcome to Repubozo Insurance World. Of the insurance companies, by the insurance companies for which the insurance companies stand.
@@
September 30th, 2009
12:28 pm
Well, jay, I’m just not feelin’ their pain.
Let ‘em pool their resources and get a half-way house on the outskirts of town.
When it comes to teenage girls (12 years old?) having sex, we need to ask ourselves why girls so young feel the need to subjugate themselves. Before we know it, 10 year old girls will be seen as consenting.
Promoting misogyny? It’s a good thing according to some of your leftist friends here.
After having read some of the more graphic contributions, I’d be willing to bet there are a few child molesters on this site who are looking to change the law for personal gain.
Kamchak:
I see that I occupy that empty space between your ears.
Bosch
It seems you have more than one stalker.
I was simply pointing out Bosch’s hypocrisy.
Paul:
Yeah, I saw that exchange. It’s kinda normal for some people, though, when they get all frustrated and get their egos wrapped up in their opinions to resort to the adult blogger’s equivalent of a child’s “you doodoo head!”
But keep it in perspective. People like that, well, I’d wager they don’t even like Battlestar Galactica, so how much should you let their aspersions get to you?
I didn’t call Bosch a “doodoo head”, I said he was a subterranean annoyance.
Bosch gets away with too much by covering up his own attacks with his cutesy act and his commonplace banter…his playing dumb routine. Insulting people and covering it up with a smiley don’t cut it with me. He’s subversive…ergo my use of the word subterranean.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
September 30th, 2009
12:31 pm
On the manufacturing front, however, the Institute for Supply Management-Chicago said its business barometer fell to 46.1 in September from 50.0 in August, with a reading above 50 indicating expansion. Economists had expected a rise to 52.0.-Reuters
Uh, yeah.
Doggone/GA
September 30th, 2009
12:31 pm
“Castrate”
Contrary to popular belief…castration does NOT end a man’s ability to have sex. And rape is not primarily a sex offense, it is primarily a violent act. It’s about power, not sex.
Normal
September 30th, 2009
12:32 pm
Date the Save
September 30th, 2009
11:13 am
Late getting back in…sorry. I have three daughters and they all had sex in high school. My wife and I discussed this when the oldest started her transformation and we decided to take matters into our own hands. We insisted that they drink their orange juice every morning 28 days in a row, every month, of every year they were under our roof. It may have been underhanded, but we slept nights.
Taxpayer
September 30th, 2009
12:38 pm
Wow, Bosch. I never realized just what kind of blogger you are until @@ informed us all. How do we even tolerate you, setting such a bad example and such. No wonder mike and Andy but likely just moi yam what I yam.
Normal
September 30th, 2009
12:40 pm
Taxpayer
September 30th, 2009
12:10 pm
Huh? Stoned? DAVE’S NOT HERE!!!
Hef
September 30th, 2009
12:41 pm
Normal-My soon wife to be & I have decided to purchase a chastity belt for our 12 year old,our own form of sex education.
stands for decibels
September 30th, 2009
12:42 pm
Wow, Bosch. I never realized just what kind of blogger you are until @@ informed us all.
Y’all’re such a misogynist-promoters!
(That must’ve been the “juice box” crack.)
@@
September 30th, 2009
12:42 pm
Taxpayer:
If you’ll take notice, many of the conservatives here enjoy engaging Bosch.
I’m just not one of ‘em.
To me he’s a waste of dexterity.
I simply don’t find him as entertaining as he finds himself.
md
September 30th, 2009
12:43 pm
And don’t tempt teens by buying them cell phones with cameras. Stupid moments are increased when parents also have stupid moments.
Normal
September 30th, 2009
12:44 pm
paul: Cheney is evil? Really? Does it extend to all things as a pervasive characteristic, or is it restricted to certain facets of a political nature? Is redemption possible? And anyhow, isn’t evil necessary so we can know how to recognize the good?
Yes to all, but like any good Talibabtist, right before he dies, he can ask G-D for forgiveness and be saved.
Hef
September 30th, 2009
12:45 pm
@@-I for one am trying to cross the isle to do the people’s work.
Rightwing Troll
September 30th, 2009
12:46 pm
“The law hounding those people has no real purpose but to, well, hound them. As experts have testified to the Georgia Legislature, it serves little or no protective function. A sexual predator intent on finding victims will do so, regardless of where he (or occasionally she) is forced to live.”
You talking about gun control or sex offenders???
Mrs. Godzilla
September 30th, 2009
12:46 pm
Bosch
you get away with soooo much just ‘cuz you’re cute!
were you the GOP VP nominee last year?
@@
September 30th, 2009
12:47 pm
Hef:
Been there, done that.
Believe me….there’s no pay off in the end.
More power to you though.
Taxpayer
September 30th, 2009
12:50 pm
Bosch gets away with so much for many reasons. First, it is his like of select Battle’s stars. Second, he like eggs. I mean, really, do I even need to go on.
Taxpayer
September 30th, 2009
12:51 pm
@@
September 30th, 2009
12:47 pm
Hef:
Been there, done that.
Believe me….there’s no pay off in the end.
More power to you though.
I’ve done many things that had no outwardly obvious ‘payoff’ but I would not undo a single one of them to this day.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 30th, 2009
12:55 pm
Taxpayer
“I’ve done many things that had no outwardly obvious ‘payoff’ but I would not undo a single one of them to this day.”
Me, too. Everyday and proud of it.
It isn’t always about payoff, and quite cynical to think otherwise.
Taxpayer
September 30th, 2009
12:55 pm
However, I am being negligent. I have not apologized for voting for Bush, the destroyer, in some time now. So, I apologize. Further, I apologize in advance for the predicted “W” recovery.
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
12:56 pm
Paul,
Yes, Cheney can be redeemed, just like GWB in my book – he can shut the hell up and crawl back from whinst he came!!!
TWO blogger two day tirades – I soooo rule!!!! That’s better than FIRST!!
(Although @@’s tirade against me has lasted a couple years).
Hef,
Yeah, I like the Moody Blues and Santana – alot. Thinking of them reminds me of a funny SNL skit where they do a spoof on Blue Oyster Cult and Will Ferrell plays the cowbells. I’ll try to find a video.
Taxpayer,
Wow, I guess I didn’t know what kind of blogger I was either!
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
12:58 pm
Mrs. G.,
Can I borrow Joe for my security detail?
Hef
September 30th, 2009
1:00 pm
@@-With age my High Horse has been reduced to a Shetland Pony. Thanks for the advise though.
@@
September 30th, 2009
1:01 pm
Taxpayer:
I too have contributed much with no expectations of anything in return. All have served to help people I know and even people I don’t know.
What I’m talking about are civil exchanges rewarded with insults.
I guess I WAS what Andy calls a “squish”.
I learned the hard way and I can’t thank you libs enough.
Normal
September 30th, 2009
1:03 pm
Hef: If you really want to help your kid, let me offer a possible solution. But I warn you to use it will take self control and constantly telling yourself it the right thing to do. When my children, the older ones were almost teens, I started a family method of solving problems by instituting “Truce and Truth”. The program was only for the kids and could not be used by the parents, but it gave the kids a way to break the ice without fear of reprisal if they had a problem they needed to work out. It went like this. One would come in and say, Dad, I need to declare Truce and Truth. At that time, the TV went off, and the child, my wife and I would retire to my office, or go to the kitchen table if the child said the family could hear. The main thing is that since the Truce was called, nothing the child said could be punished. The purpose of this exercise was not to punish but to find solutions to problems that were upsetting them. I will tell you again that no matter what you heard, you had to take it. Many times I wanted to spin up and throttle the kid, but you have to keep your cool because they have to trust you enough to keep coming back with more problems. It was the best way I could think of to keep an open line of communication with my kids. Did it work? Overall yes. But there were times when I wished it hadn’t…but I have good kids and they use the same method with theirs. Try it if you dare, but never, ever, renege because it will distroy any trust they ever had in you.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 30th, 2009
1:09 pm
Bosch
Why of course!
(Disclaimer: if the bad guys OR gals after you have a porkchop in their pocket, best kiss your butt goodbye. Joe is a pork chop partisan)
@@
September 30th, 2009
1:10 pm
(Although @@’s tirade against me has lasted a couple years).
Totally not true, Bosch.
I can recall having quite a few pleasant exchanges with you up to and until your subversive behavior became apparent.
You wanna deliver your hits but won’t stand still when people hit back.
I remember a little tirade of yours whereby when pushed, you came back playing your victim card saying I was THE MOST DANGEROUS blogger here because I misled people into thinking I was a nice person.
Give me a break!!! You a victim!!?!!
Find the sympathy you demand from your ^^^ pool of hyenas (I’m not talkin’ about Hef).
@@
September 30th, 2009
1:11 pm
Just in case you’re lurkin, I’m outta here, jay.
No need to worry your little head, none.
Hef
September 30th, 2009
1:15 pm
Normal-Thanks,I’ll keep that in mind. Have you or anyone you know ever attempted the locked in basement till they’re 21 approach? Neighbors did it with their 2 kids with amazing results,so quite and reserved. Seriously I’ll keep what you say in mind.
Bosch
September 30th, 2009
1:15 pm
When pushed. LOL!!! Good lord, some people take themselves WAY too seriously.
md
September 30th, 2009
1:19 pm
Normal,
Truce and truth – glad it worked for you, but I could see that one abused easily for a more caniving child. Actions have consequences, and what is the child learning if they can nullify the consequences by declaring a truce. I’m guessing others not so disciplined could use that as the ultimate out.
I always told ours that actions have consequences and the consequences were always reduced if I heard it from them. If they hid it and we found out, consequences doubled. I’m sure they got away with plenty, but there were many times when they came to us and took their lumps , especially after they suffered the double wammy a few times.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 30th, 2009
1:20 pm
Perish the thought!
mike
September 30th, 2009
1:28 pm
@@ –
“I remember a little tirade of yours whereby when pushed, you came back playing your victim card saying I was THE MOST DANGEROUS blogger here because I misled people into thinking I was a nice person.”
Tell me about it. Yesterday he called me a bigot, but refused to say who I was bigoted against or provide a single quote that pointed to such bigotry. Oh yes, then he said that I was “not civil”.