Cal Thomas, a purveyor of hate in religious disguise

Syndicated columnist Cal Thomas, writing in the Washington Times, today offers an ugly, despicable attack on all Muslim Americans, whom he accuses of “the undermining of this nation from within … through deception, putting on a peaceful face while subtly plotting ways to bring America down.”

As his sole piece of evidence, Thomas cites statements at a public prayer rally of Muslim Americans in Washington, at which a Brooklyn imam lauded American freedom, telling the crowd that “What we’ve done today, you couldn’t do in any Muslim country. If you prayed on the palace lawn there, they’d lock you up.”

But on Facebook, Thomas points out, that same imam has written that “Democracy is not revelation, and democracy does not equal freedom, for in democracy you have apartheid, you have slavery, you have homosexuality, you have lesbianism, you have gambling, you have all of the vices that are against the spirit of truth; so no we don’t want to democratize Islam, we want to Islamize democracy.”

To Thomas, an evangelical Christian, this statement constitutes proof that the imam in particular and Muslim Americans in general are trying to destroy America from the inside, using terrorism as a weapon. Yet the truth is that on an almost daily basis, socially conservative Christian leaders employ almost identical rhetoric as the socially conservative imam.

They too decry the excesses of American freedom that lead to tolerance of gays and other perceived vices — the difference is that in their case, they seek to “Christianize” rather than “Islamize” democracy.

Thomas of course sees nothing dangerous or wrong with that at all. (For the record, neither do I. I disagree with them, but they have every right to say those things and in no way endanger our country by doing so. The same is true of the imam.)

“Are we being infiltrated and surrounded by people who want us dead and our country destroyed?” Thomas asks in his column, raising a question that he lacks the guts to answer. “Try a little experiment: Google “Islam near” and then type in the name of any city or town. When I tried the small town of Bryn Mawr, Pa., outside Philadelphia, 10 Islamic-related sites came up. In larger cities, there are as many, or more. Deception is part of the terrorists’ battle strategy.”

So the presence of Islamic related sites is evidence of a terror conspiracy? What Thomas seeks is the marginalization and rejection of Muslim Americans, the very process that in European countries has made their Muslim communities more prone to radicalization. He seeks to create the very thing he claims to despise.

It’s useful to recall that after the fall of communism, this very same Thomas called for a “cultural war crimes tribunal” in which many of his fellow Americans would be forced to answer for their opinions. At those trials, he wrote, “people from academia, the media, government and the clergy who were wrong in their assessment of communism would be forced to confront their mistakes.”

Sounds just like democracy, doesn’t it?

In 2003, this stalwart defender of democracy again called for a domestic war crimes tribunal, this time to bring to account “scores of false media prophets who predicted disaster should the U.S. military confront and seek to oust the murderous regime of Saddam Hussein.” This was in those short heady “Mission Accomplished” days right after the invasion of Iraq, before most Americans truly understood that we were not being greeted with roses and chocolate.

“The purpose of a cultural war crimes tribunal would be to remind the public of journalism’s many mistakes, as well as the errors of certain politicians and retired generals, and allow it to properly judge their words the next time they feel the urge to prophesy…,” Thomas wrote. “All of the printed and voiced prophecies should be saved in an archive. When these false prophets again appear, they can be reminded of the error of their previous ways and at least be offered an opportunity to recant and repent.”

The mindset of people such as Cal Thomas is far more undemocratic and dangerous than that of most of the Muslim Americans whom he seeks to smear.

390 comments Add your comment

Bosch

September 29th, 2009
4:43 pm

NIF@ 4:40 –

Such hate filled vomit.

mike,

You never respond to anyone with civility – it’s your trademark.

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
4:44 pm

mike–I challenge NJ. See my earlier post on Holocaust denial.

jt–in reference to statism–you are quite correct in that. That bringing with it the cult of personality, the Messiah complex, if you will It’s what bothered me so much during the campaign. It’s not that I particularly think that’s the road we’re headed down, but it did point up just how quickly and how blindly we can go that way…

mike

September 29th, 2009
4:45 pm

Bosch whines that somebody asks NJ to back up outrageous claims, yet he wants to call people bigots simply because they disagree with his narrow minded views.

Now watch him fail to produce any evidence for his pathetic claim.

Now on the other hand, Bosch loves to call people TaliBaptists because that is what tolerant people do. What a hypocrite.

Bosch

September 29th, 2009
4:45 pm

mike,

“What an offensive and untrue accusation.

Do you need me to come fluff the pillows on your swooning couch?

Bosch

September 29th, 2009
4:47 pm

mike says I’m narrow minded, pathetic, call people TaliBaptists and a hypocrite, but yet, OH NOOOSSSS……he’s not a bigot!!!

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
4:48 pm

Taxpayer @ 4:36

Point taken!

Taxpayer

September 29th, 2009
4:48 pm

Bosch,

Do you have strong opinions on things. Because if you do and you post here someone might interpret that to mean something that it may or may not mean, you know what I mean. As for me, I have almost no strong opinions on hardly anything that is not worth having a stong opinion about. I like eggs.

Nothing is Free

September 29th, 2009
4:48 pm

Mike

Pal, he is not going to answer for anything he says any more than NJ will.

They have very little chance of ever convincing anyone of anything here so this is what they do.

They attack and attack. They say what they want because here, unlike in real life, there are no standards for behavior or standards for accountability. I have asked Bosch to prove dozens of statements, but like NJ, he can’t so he simply ignores the post while demanding that we accept the next bit of nonsense he posts.

Their refusing to even discuss most of the crap they post gives them all the credibility they both deserve.

pat

September 29th, 2009
4:49 pm

RW-(the original)

September 29th, 2009
4:49 pm

Enter your comments here–

I see the court of appeals has thrown out Dan Rather’s lawsuit against SeeBS. Maybe he should churn out a few phony documents for his next appeal.

mike

September 29th, 2009
4:49 pm

Bosch –

“You never respond to anyone with civility – it’s your trademark.”

Even if that was true that would make my comments bigoted?

What was uncivil about my response to NJ or how about my response to you that I will retype below:

“Fair enough, but outrageous and false claims are made on this site all of the time. It wasn’t that long ago that Midori was making the claim that American soldiers raped Iraqi children in front of their parents “to make them talk”. When pressed for backup she presented a blog post with a single account of how Iraqi teenagers had been raped in prison by older Iraqi prisoners. Asking for back up for slanderous claims is reasonable and often exposes such slander for what it is.”

Yeah that is really uncivil.

Of course, you think calling people a bigot without a shred of evidence is “civil”. You are a wold clas hypocrite and you know it.

BTW: You can’t be a bigot without having a group to be bigoted against. Tell me who I am bigoted against are just demonstrate what a immature and intolerant person you are. Let’s see it.

Taxpayer

September 29th, 2009
4:50 pm

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
4:48 pm
Taxpayer @ 4:36

Point taken!

I was just funnin’, josef. No harm was intended in my transmission.

jt

September 29th, 2009
4:50 pm

josef-

well said.

I would prefer for our 500+ congressmen to be debating how many angels can dance on the tip of a pen than to be scheming on how best to fleece their constituents.

Orginized Religion is a necessary evil.

Nothing is Free

September 29th, 2009
4:50 pm

Bosch

Yes. Asking you to prove anything is always a joke.

Perhaps that is why your credibility is also a joke.

Bosch

September 29th, 2009
4:52 pm

NIF,

The first among many bigoted statements you’ve made was a few weeks ago when you claimed that all black people were rascist. Since then there have been too many to count.

mike,

I will admit, you have been a little more civil than most days you are here, but most of the time you are whining about how Jay’s a hypocrite.

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
4:52 pm

RW “SeeBS” OOO that’s good! :-)

mike

September 29th, 2009
4:52 pm

Bosch –

“Do you need me to come fluff the pillows on your swooning couch?”

No, I want to grow up and be able to disagree with someone without needing to call them a “bigot” for no reason at all.

I also want to stop doing every single thing that you complain about. You are a hypocrite and it is annoying.

BTW: NJ has yet to respond to my “civil” request to tell us which of the docs he cited back up his wild claims. He has failed to do so. I guess he really was just making sh&#t up.

Hef

September 29th, 2009
4:53 pm

Mike-Bosch from what I’ve seen seems to be pretty fair in his assesments. Are you really a bigot?? Now I can say I met one today.

Nothing is Free

September 29th, 2009
4:53 pm

Bosch

**The first among many bigoted statements you’ve made was a few weeks ago when you claimed that all black people were rascist. Since then there have been too many to count.**

You are a liar. It’s a simple as that.

You have the intelligence of an average liberal so this is all that you CAN do.

Bosch

September 29th, 2009
4:53 pm

mike,

You hate liberals. It’s quite obvious.

mike

September 29th, 2009
4:54 pm

Bosch -

“I will admit, you have been a little more civil than most days you are here, but most of the time you are whining about how Jay’s a hypocrite.”

Calling Jay a hypocrite makes me a bigot?

Spare me the hypocrisy about civility. You just called me a bigot for no reason and you know it. For once, behave in the manner that you want others to.

Nothing is Free

September 29th, 2009
4:56 pm

Mike

He’s an imbecile. He doesn’t even understand the meanings of the words he is calling you.

Nothing is Free

September 29th, 2009
4:57 pm

Bosch

not all liberals. Just the ignorant ones. You know: You.

mike

September 29th, 2009
4:58 pm

Bosch –

“You hate liberals. It’s quite obvious.”

First of all, your argument would also make you and many others here bigots.

Second of all, I have said many times and will say again that being liberal or conservative has no bearing on what kind of person you are. There are good folks who are liberals and real jerks who are conservatives. Most of my friends are liberal. I am the token conservative. I respect their intelligence and they respect mine. We have civil and meaningful debates all the time.

Just to make it even more unmistakable: conservatives are no better than liberals. Republicans are no better than Democrats.

Any more baseless claims you want to hurl at me?

Bosch

September 29th, 2009
4:58 pm

Always a good day when you can rile up the wingnuts……

Gotta run for now.

Hef,
I appreciate your kind words, but sometimes I enjoy being an asshole for no good reason! :-)

pat

September 29th, 2009
4:58 pm

Mike what was bigoted about my posts? Are facts bigoted? What I posted are actual referencable links from all around the world to refute the stupidity being posted by NJ.

The facts suggest that there is in fact a lot of violence coming from muslims. It is not America’s fault they act this way.

The violent heresy in Islam is killing it. The only people who can stop it is them. Pretending like it does not exist helps no one. It does exist, it is wide spread and it is a problem for muslims and non-muslims alike. Hiding your head in the sand or pretending it’s somebody else’s fault only makes the problem worse.

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
4:58 pm

Taxpayer–I assure you, none taken! But eggs? What about all those poor unborn chickens? You’re evil, I tell you, evil! :-)

jt–”..angels on the head of a pin…” Maimonidean though I may be, I think I agree with you here!

Taxpayer

September 29th, 2009
4:59 pm

I like Bosch.

Bosch

September 29th, 2009
4:59 pm

Really Blog God?

Anywho –

Hef,

Thanks for the kind words – gotta run for now. I guess mike and NIF can continue their Bosch bashing — such hate filled vomit.

@@

September 29th, 2009
5:00 pm

How did I know that liberals would revert to their bigoted ways or, at the very least, their accusations of bigotry.

Why it was just the other day that Obama said this isn’t about racism. Up until that moment libs were letting the accusations of racism fly with reckless abandon. Once Obama spoke, it became all quiet on the leftist front.

I guess when it’s all they’ve got in their box of dull tools, they just can’t help but hammer away.

So tell me….does your leader need to set you straight once again?

I have a friend – former neighbor – who’s a member of the Islamic faith. Not practicing per se but he visits family in the Middle East on a regular basis. Nice guy. His son and the “other Scooter” are close friends. Both the son and his father are doctors. The son in ER, the father in cardiology.

I have no reason to be suspicious of their allegiance to America. Both are long-time citizens. The only thing I would question is the father’s intelligence. He contributed to Cynthia McKinney’s campaign although he didn’t reside in her district. When I asked him why he laughed and said something about a medical facility in her district.

Takin’ the good with the bad I s’pose.

He’s also good friends with my gynecologist, the Jew.

mike

September 29th, 2009
5:01 pm

Hef –

“Mike-Bosch from what I’ve seen seems to be pretty fair in his assesments. Are you really a bigot?? Now I can say I met one today.”

Well, Bosch is lying. I have asked him to produce a single quote that can in any way be construed as bigoted and he has climbed down pretty quickly.

Now I could not care less what some anonymous stranger thinks about the fact that another anonymous stranger has made a claim about me that he can’t back up. If it makes you feel good to think I am a bigot, then go for it. Whoopee.

Bosch

September 29th, 2009
5:01 pm

Taxpayer,

I like you too, and I like eggs!! Later for real!

Nothing is Free

September 29th, 2009
5:02 pm

Bosch

See ya, USinUK.

Bosch

September 29th, 2009
5:03 pm

“Now I could not care less what some anonymous stranger thinks about the fact that another anonymous stranger has made a claim about me that he can’t back up.”

But yet, I can’t stop talking about it!!!! LOL~!

mike

September 29th, 2009
5:03 pm

Bosch –

“Thanks for the kind words – gotta run for now. I guess mike and NIF can continue their Bosch bashing — such hate filled vomit.”

All I have said is that you make slanderous accusations that you can’t back up. You slinking off says a lot.

You, on the other hand called me a bigot, knowing that the only basis for you claim was that I disagree with your narrow minded views.

Go ahead and be a hypocrite and play the victim. It is what you do best, coward.

Taxpayer

September 29th, 2009
5:04 pm

josef,

I can’t help myself. When we go to Sam’s Club, they always have this 36-count of extra large eggs priced about the same as 12 large eggs in some stores. If beer were so reasonably priced, who knows what it might have done to me. I should count my blessings. The same goes with healthcare insurance. Why, if it were reasonably priced and the insurance companies were forced to behave like human beings, there’s just no telling how poor my health would be today. I’m fortunate to have so many greedy people with an “Ive got mine” mentality around me.

mike

September 29th, 2009
5:05 pm

Bosch –

“But yet, I can’t stop talking about it!!!! LOL~!”

I really don;’t care what hef thinks of me. On the other hand, I very much want you to recognize what a fool you have made of yourself here today. Maybe you won’t make such stupid slanders again.

I’ll give you one more chance to provide a single, solitary quote that in any way indicates that I am a bigot. I do this just to make it perfectly clear how dishonest your accusation was.

Back up your slander. Or just slither away like usual.

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
5:06 pm

pat…
“The violent heresy in Islam is killing it.”

I may not always agree with you, but I respect your approach and your thoughtful choice of words. The key here is “heresy.” Once that is established then what else you have to say bears weight. Every faith has heretics. Sometimes they gain the upper hand. It is up to that faith to reign them in.

mike

September 29th, 2009
5:07 pm

Pat –

“Mike what was bigoted about my posts? Are facts bigoted? What I posted are actual referencable links from all around the world to refute the stupidity being posted by NJ.”

I never said your posts were bigoted. Bosch is the one running around calling us bigots.

He is unable to provide any evidence, despite being given numerous times to do so. I guess he was just lying to vent his own petty hatreds.

Hef

September 29th, 2009
5:08 pm

Mike-That part of my post was in jest,as you said I don’t know you. Sorry for the poor attempt at lite humor. Damn,now I gots to keep lookin for my bigot of the day!

mike

September 29th, 2009
5:08 pm

josef nix –

No, no, no. Pat is a bigot. Me too. Bosch said so before he went slithering away.

mike

September 29th, 2009
5:09 pm

Hef –

My mistake. It is tough to see the sarcasm here. As Bosch demonstrates, people here say some really stupid stuff and actually mean it.

DeKalb Conservative

September 29th, 2009
5:10 pm

Oh Islam the religion of peace.

WAKE UP people! Let the experiences of Israel be a lesson. In general, the Islamic religion is not interested in compromise. Either you love their God the right way, or you’re nothing to them.

Not only is there a silence from what the media refers to as “moderate Islam,” those that consider themselves moderate seem to understand how the extremists got to their conclusions.

mike

September 29th, 2009
5:11 pm

NJ –

So I guess you really don’t know which, if any of the docs you cited back up your argument.

I guess you are making stuff up, despite Bosch’s whining.

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
5:12 pm

Bosch/Taxpayer–weren’t you egg suckers in “Pink Flamingos” Eggs, Babs…. :-)

barenakedislam

September 29th, 2009
5:15 pm

Cal Thomas is correct, only he didn’t go far enough. We should have interned and/or deported every Muslim after 9/11. They are either terrorists or terrorist supporters and hate America. I look forward to the next 9/11 when the American public will finally take the action they should have after 9/11.

number1ninja

September 29th, 2009
5:18 pm

mike, why don’t you try making a point BEFORE you start chopping down others. People would be much more generous if you didn’t start out the way you do.

@@

September 29th, 2009
5:19 pm

Bosch is like a leafy green blowing in the wind although not suited for roughage.

His perception of religion is rooted in what he can glean from Battlestar Galactic…aahhhh.

Taxpayer

September 29th, 2009
5:21 pm

josef,

my daughter used to watch “The Amanda Show” and the star of the show would say “I like eggs” frequently enough to even get my attention and it stuck.

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
5:22 pm

DeKalb Conservative

There is a moderate Islam and there is a liberal Islam. Yes, we have to go looking for them for they are at present a voice in the wilderness. But they are there.

Hef

September 29th, 2009
5:23 pm

Mike-No Worries,I agree there is alot of character assassination’s here.My dealings with Mr Bosch though have been decent with respect for each others oposing views.

Pogo

September 29th, 2009
5:24 pm

The title of your piece here pretty much puts you in the same category as old Kyle, doesn’t it Jay?Look at the seeds you have sown here Jay. You certainly bring out the foul “best” of the liberal spirit in people don’t you? If you blame religion as the root of all your and society’s problems then you probably would be well served to take a long, long look at yourself. I haven’t been to church in 35 years. I have a vast amount of disdain for bible thumpers, koran thumpers or any other thumper for that matter. Unlike you liberals, I believe in a higher power that most certainly does not reside in Washington, D.C. My belief in that higher power is my business. I don’t care what anyone else does or believes in the matters of religion or sexuality. Religion is religion and sex is sex which means its personal. But, public policy by bureaucrats and idealogues is another matter altogether. Liberals and democrats denigrate religious people over and over just to try to obtain some kind of ideaological advantage. They assume that most of America is not religious and they assume that most of America will therefore agree with them. They are sorely mistaken on that account. The dis dismissal by the left generally goes something like, “My cause is more relavent because the opposition is just those religious right leaning nuts again”. You liberals keep telling yourself that that is what the conservative movement is made up of. There are way more people out here that don’t fit into your little mold than you think. You would like to keyhole us, but your attempt to do so just shows just how, how should I put this, self dillusional and pathetic you really are. You misery is caused by yourselves. Liberals are not happy unless they are miserable about something.

number1ninja

September 29th, 2009
5:25 pm

You people think NJ was lying? I always assumed nobody cared because it was “those” people, it’s not really a big secret.

Taxpayer

September 29th, 2009
5:26 pm

Well, Battlestar had a cool way of giving people immortality. All they needed was faith that their resurrection ship would always be there for them but when they lost that, well, it was an eye opener. I think it was like losing their REM.

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
5:27 pm

@@ Bosch is an infidel heretic! Battlestar Gallactica, indeed. Babylon 5 is the true faith!

Taxpayer–oh, well, as they say, you can’t make an omlette without killing an unborn chicken.

barenakedislam:

Can I borrow your copy of “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” when you get through?

DeKalb Conservative

September 29th, 2009
5:28 pm

@ josef nix

You’re right, their voice is in the wilderness. I just can’t see them ever speaking loud enough to denounce loudly the extremists.

Same thing with Christians. If in 2009 people think Moses parted the Red Sea to flee the dinosaurs, then that person has issues.

The difference is that Christians have told those that believe the Earth is 6,000 years old that they are crazy and giving other Christians a bad name.

Taxpayer

September 29th, 2009
5:32 pm

Same thing with Christians. If in 2009 people think Moses parted the Red Sea to flee the dinosaurs, then that person has issues.

Harumph!!! Well, we all know full well why he parted the red sea, or at least we should. Some people!

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
5:32 pm

POGO–for the record, I am a person of faith and a liberal. Just like the heretics who have hijacked Islam, the intolerant non believers have tried to hijack liberalism. I agree with you on the Holy Book thumpers and I agree with you that the H-gher P-wer does not reside in Washington.

mike

September 29th, 2009
5:33 pm

“mike, why don’t you try making a point BEFORE you start chopping down others. People would be much more generous if you didn’t start out the way you do.”

Hmm and the point that you made before “chopping down” me? ;)

I frequently start off with my own points. As a matter of fact, look at my first post in this thread. Nothing to do with any other commenters, it was purely my own counterpoint to Jay’s argument.

Really, take a look.

Thanks for the new angle on what I am doing wrong. It’s not correct, but I appreciate it. I receive the most interesting criticisms, most often not related to any argument, but on some esoteric breach of etiquette that the accuser usually commits in the course of accusing me, completely oblivious to their own hypocrisy.

Fultzy

September 29th, 2009
5:36 pm

Your column missed one detail: christians are not hiding IED’s in their body cavity to blow people up. The Jihadists are not anglo church go’ers. You might feel better about being PC, but the truth is that these people hate westerners, and Americans in particular. Is it so hard for you people to understand that they hate us and want to kill us for no other reason than they want to have an entirely Muslim world? Wake up and defend yourself!

number1ninja

September 29th, 2009
5:39 pm

“Jay is right about this article. It is hateful garbage.
Of course, I have never seen Jay be offended by such hate speech being directed towards Christians. For example, when former NY Times Middle East bureau chief Chris Hedges published a whole book of such hate called “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America”.”
That was it, huh? The first time you actually showed some balance you blew it because you couldn’t help yourself.

josef nix

September 29th, 2009
5:41 pm

DeKalb Conservative @ 5:28

I agree with your point, but they are “just getting started” so to speak and we, an by that I mean the general public and the media, are not searching them out and supporting them. I have a good friend who is a liberal, American born and raised Muslim of Balkan origins who put it this way, “Islam is only 1300 years old. We’re due for the first stages of our Reformation and it’s not going to be any prettier than the Christian one.”

Taxpayer–when I asked G’daddy about the Red Sea, his comment was, “I wasn’t there, so I don’t know, but…” :-)

Crush the pubt's

September 29th, 2009
5:43 pm

We would like to express sincere thanks to RW, noted medical and legal expert for his incisive analysis in the Dan Rather suits (two of them actually–one against Les Monves).

The issues before the appellate division of the S. Ct. of NY had nothing to do with the fact that daddy’s boy Bushie ran away from the national guard and became an alcohollc cokehead. They were all about Rather’s claims that his prospects for another job at a comparable salary were diminished by CBS’s actions. The suit against Les Monves remains intact in that regard, and Rather will appeal this court’s decision.

Bush remains a coked out disserter who ruined the country as President.

In three other cases, significantly more important to me than when and where multimillionaire Rather finds employment, in the Federal appellate courts, instead of a state court in NY, the judges have ruled
that Bush administration officials may be held personally liable for federal civil rights violations.

In two cases, judges appointed by Republican presidents have refused to dismiss lawsuits at an early stage that were filed against Ashcroft and former Justice Department official John Yoo. One complaint challenges Ashcroft’s strategy of preventive detention. The other seeks to hold Yoo accountable for legal memos he wrote that supported detention, interrogation and presidential power.

In a third case, the Second Circuit, en banc,( full federal appeals court in New York) is reconsidering an earlier decision by three of its members to toss out a lawsuit by a Syrian-born Canadian who was changing planes in the United States when he was alleged by American officials to be a terrorist and was sent to Syria, where he says he was tortured, in a practice known as rendition.

Federal appellate courts take cases en banc relatively rarely so hopefully this victim of Ashcroft and other Bushies will be able to take substantial amounts out of the personal pockets. Ashcroft has deep ones, because US Attorney Chris Christie pitched him multimillion dollar lucatrive oversight of DFA cases (deferred prosecution agreements).

How’s mah typin’ RW on a regular keyboard? Still waiting for that bluetooth MSFT 6000 to become available. Won’t be long.

Taxpayer

September 29th, 2009
5:47 pm

Taxpayer–when I asked G’daddy about the Red Sea, his comment was, “I wasn’t there, so I don’t know, but..

A truer statement could not be made on the subject by modern man.

Public Option Doing Swell Headed to Floor

September 29th, 2009
5:51 pm

A quick scan of previous posts shows that the Bookman Fecal Slingers have piles of material to lfing ln lieu of discussing issues. Must be that sewage dumped in the Hooch.

As I predicted correctly, the fingerpointing over Atlanta’s inadequate drainiage system has just begun.

Seen all over Atlanta:

Repubozo Tea Baggers lined up on their knees before FEMA (”F” stands for Federal) begging for money from their government because they were too dumb and cheap to spend a few hundred bucks to take out flood insurance on their homes. Thjey don’t want the government to provide competition for their babuhs the health insurers, but they does want the government giving them money in place of the insurance they refused to get on their homes.

Hilarious.

@@

September 29th, 2009
6:04 pm

josef:

I wouldn’t call Bosch a heretic…simply a subterranean annoyance. Kinda like a grub.

““““““““““““““““““““`

Since I don’t get to hang here, I had to go back to see what all the fuss was about. Let’s start here:

Bosch
September 29th, 2009
4:43 pm

mike,

You never respond to anyone with civility – it’s your trademark.

then go to the beginning:

mike
September 29th, 2009
3:18 pm

Jay is right about this article. It is hateful garbage.

mike
September 29th, 2009
4:14 pm

lovelyliz –

“Remember Jerry Falwell and his blaming of 9/11 or Pat Robertson proclaiming the easoning behind God’s wrath in “allowing” Katrina to happen?”

I agree it is much the same.

Then there was:

mike
September 29th, 2009
4:17 pm

I love when liberals decry bigotry by showing their own bigotry. It’s pretty funny.

To which Bosch responded with:

Bosch
September 29th, 2009
4:20 pm

“I love when bigots decry bigotry by showing their own bigotry. It’s pretty funny.”

There mike, fixed your typo.

This was Bosch’s first contribution on the topic:

Bosch
September 29th, 2009
12:50 pm

Religious fundamentalists are all the same, no matter which religion – intolerant, hateful, and convinced their “god” is better, bigger, and stronger, and righter than any of the other “gods.”

After which a slew of leftists piled on with their “humorous” back and forth about whose god is better. The female g_d without estrogen or Bosch’s favorite “The Force” in Star Wars who can beat up the female g_d.

It’s what I call a circling of leftist hyenas – snarling and snapping on the perimeters in hopes of intimidating their prey.

Just like Bosch, they’ll run whimpering when the prey snaps back.

Public Option Doing Swell Headed to Floor

September 29th, 2009
6:04 pm

RW has been busy on line trying to download the new Barbara Streissand album, “Love is the Answer” since he couldn’t make it to the Village Vanguard Saturday night.

Public Option Doing Swell Headed to Floor

September 29th, 2009
6:06 pm

@@ reaches into her never-ending stash of fecal material.

@@

September 29th, 2009
6:06 pm

I know I put a paragraph closer on those italics. What the hey…the last three paragraphs I can proudly call my own words.

@@

September 29th, 2009
6:10 pm

I agree POD creature.

@@ reaches into her never-ending stash of fecal material.

Bosch do like to sling it. That’s what happens when it’s left lying around.

RW-(the original)

September 29th, 2009
6:35 pm

Enter your comments here–

Geez Chadly, can’t you even hump my leg under one name?

….and it’s Barbra…oh and Streisand….Guess that regular keyboard doesn’t change much, but perhaps if you set the crack pipe in the ashtray while you typed it might help.

RollerGirl

September 29th, 2009
6:56 pm

The muslims prophet mohammed was a pedophile rapist. I like pointing this out as often as possible. It really ticks the camel crowd off.

mike

September 29th, 2009
7:44 pm

number1ninja-

“That was it, huh? The first time you actually showed some balance you blew it because you couldn’t help yourself.”

What did I blow? I expressed my own opinion and provided an example. This is opposed to you, whose first comment was an attack on me that I attack people before making a point. This is hypocrisy on your part, but I expect that.

number1ninja

September 29th, 2009
8:41 pm

Of course you expect, the pathological always project their own traits onto those who call it out and claim innocence and naivete. You did not provide an “example” you snidely called Bookman a hypocrite AGAIN for doing the exact same thing you do to him and Tucker on an almost daily basis. Wingfield comes out with garbage that’s just as ridiculous as anything they write, and yet your nut on his jock constantly. Seriously if you think either “side” is better than the other when it comes to any of the things you criticize, then guess what? You’re one of ‘em.

number1ninja

September 29th, 2009
8:42 pm

Whoops, that was “not”, but a rather ironic slip I suppose….

N.J.

September 30th, 2009
1:28 am

Muhammed was neither a pedophile or a rapist. He was pretty much doing what was common among western Christian kings and princes in Europe at the time. It was not unusual for western rulers to marry infant and consummate marriages with prepubescent girls for political reasons at the time.At least Muhammed had the decency to marry the girl and send her back to her parents home to live until she came of legal age, which would have been after her first menstruation.

The early Muslims usually copied what they saw was traditional among the Christians, and in particular the Byzantine Christians who were the closest Christian kingdom in their region. Mecca was in fact, an Byzantine trading post and considered by the Byzantines to be part of their empire at the during the late sixth and early 7th centuries when the Byzantine Empire reached its greatest size under the Emperor Justinian and the two Emperors who followed him.

Byzantine marriages to girls as young as 8 years of age were the rule among Byzantines Christians at that time, rather than the exception. There are many many Byzantine statues of child brides. On is in the Vatican collection.

Today in Thailand marriages as young as nine are common, and in Christian countries in Eastern Europe such as Romania, marriages to 12 year old girls are common

It would do right wingers well to learn what the practices of Christians were at the time of Muhammed:

A history of an 11th Century Byzantine/French marriage for political reasons:

The marriage of Maria and Renier was celebrated at the same time as that of prince Alexius with Agnes, daughter of Louis VII of France, on or before 2 March 1180. The double wedding was celebrated by the patriarch, Theodosius Boradiotes. Eustathius of Thessalonica composed an oration for the occasion describing how the wedding banquet was spectacularly conducted in the Hippodrome,[[22]] and William of Tyre eulogised the lavish wedding celebrations.[[23]] It was a chance for the Byzantine court to impress the West with its grandeur and sophistication. Once again Maria must have felt upstaged as it was the alliance of Alexius and Agnes which was the more politically significant. Moreover the ceremonial surrounding the reception of the new child bride must have thrown Maria’s own age into sharp relief. There is a possibility that even at this point Maria Porphyrogenita may already have aligned herself against her western step-mother and alongside the anti-Latins in the capital. After all, with Maria Porphyrogenita remaining in the palace unmarried until her late twenties, relations with her step-mother can not have been tranquil. She had even had the frustration of seeing her step-mother’s sister becoming queen of Hungary in her stead. When in 1179, the young Agnes, daughter of Louis VII of France, arrived to marry Alexius, this proved the crowing point of Manuel’s pro-western policy, and a further demotion for Maria Porphyrogenita: the new princess, bride of the heir to the throne, of course took precedence over her sister-in-law. William of Tyre records that Agnes, who now took the name Anna, was eight years of age on her arrival (she had actually been born in 1172).[[24]]

http://www.roman-emperors.org/maryp.htm

What I find most amusing is that Conservatives are not merely ignorant, they sort of are quite proud of it.

N.J.

September 30th, 2009
1:31 am

The problem about not being offended by hate speech against fundamentalist Christians is similar to not being offended by hate speech against the Nazi’s or the Third Reich It is not inappropriate to hate that which is hateful.

N.J.

September 30th, 2009
1:50 am

And an article from an Israeli journal from this year, this month:

The Islamization of anti-Semitism
Oslo Accords, instead of curbing anti-Semitism, had opposite effect

Published: 09.11.09, Israel Opinion
Anti-Semitism infiltrated the Islamic world in the 19th century as Muslims came into contact with the Christian West. The founding of the State of Israel intensified the power and importance of anti-Semitism ideas in the Middle East. The Oslo Accords, instead of diminishing anti-Semitism, actually seemed to have had the opposite effect. Israel had become the agent of Western imperialism

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3775495,00.html

This history is pretty well known, especially by the Israelis. They are well aware that Muslims had their anti Semitism imported to them as a result of western contact with Christian nations.

After the Damascus Affair repeated incidents of Blood Libel incited by Middle Eastern Christians occurred, often yearly:

Another Israeli Journal Ha’aretz did another article on the western roots of Muslim Antisemitism:

What are the origins of Muslim anti-Semitism?

…In the last decade of the 19th century, the Christian community in Damascus regained its strength, both economically, and from the point of view of its public status. This process continued until the eve of World War I, and was accompanied to a certain extent by forcing Jews out of key economic positions they held. The Jews were a central object of incitement in the Christian press, which had its headquarters in Beirut. The weekly Al-Bashir, for example, published an article aimed at proving the claim that the Jews used Christian blood for Passover rituals. This weekly, the organ of the Jesuits in Lebanon, contained reactionary and anti-Semitic French Catholic teachings, and contradicted the neutral approach adopted by the official French consular representatives.

Toward the end of the 19th century, two anti-Semitic pamphlets were distributed in the region. One, published in Arabic in Cairo, was written by a Lebanese Christian journalist who had settled there; the other, by a French priest, was printed in Paris under the title “Murdered by Jews: A History of Ritual Murder.” The incitement from French Catholic quarters increased the ferment among the Christian population and led to attacks on Jews, who found themselves beaten in the streets of Damascus. A few days after Passover, two Capuchin priests in Damascus incited the Christian masses to riot against the Jews. Jewish shops were looted, many Jews were beaten and a young girl from the community was abducted by one of the priests and locked up for interrogation.

Some of the frequent blood libels of the period were short-lived and drew minimal attention, but others led to outbursts of violence. In the end, blood libels spread to many other cities in the Middle East.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1078446.html

Those again, are the facts. Try to refute them with other than.your personal opinion

N.J.

September 30th, 2009
2:06 am

Of course antisemitism goes back to the beginnings of Christianity. Constantine the Great was one of the best or worse depending on your point of view:

CONSTANTINE’S ANTI-SEMITISM
In 324, Constantine enacted laws forbidding Jews to live in Jerusalem and to engage in any proselytizing activity. It was not until 438, under Eudoxia, Theodosius the Younger’s wife, that Jews were allowed to return to Jerusalem. In 325, after Constantine’s Council of Nicaea, he addressed bishops all over the empire regarding Easter, Passover and the Jews. Here are some excerpts from the letter to those that missed the council:

“..the Jews, who had soiled their hands with the most fearful of crimes, and whose minds were blinded. In rejecting their custom, we may transmit to our descendants the legitimate mode of celebrating Easter, which we have observed from the time of the Savior’s Passion to the present day. We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews,. …we desire, dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews…”

“How, then, could we follow these Jews, who are most certainly blinded by error? For to celebrate the Passover twice in one year is totally inadmissible. But even if this were not so, it would still be your duty not to tarnish your soul by communications with such wicked people.”

“You should consider not only that the number of churches in these provinces makes a majority, but also that it is right to demand what our reason approves, and that we should have nothing in common with the Jews.”

It is no small wonder that the chief supporters of the Caliph Omar in his conquest of Jerusalem were the Jews of the area surrounding Jerusalem and the Jews of the Arabian Peninsula.

For 25 years, while Muhhammed

Joey

September 30th, 2009
7:25 am

Jay;
I am surprised that you feel the need to defend yourself here. I am certain that in each anti-Right, anti-Conservative and anti-Republican article that you post, you make a purposeful effort to not label the entire community. In my view it is the volume of these indictments, particularly approaching and after the November election, that negates your defense and in doing so makes my point.

But as I wrote earlier, I see it as your job. Just like the other AJC commentary writers. And you are good at your job. Better than anyone else at the AJC.

Say What??

September 30th, 2009
10:06 am

Jay Bookman, a purveyor of socialism in objective journalism disguise.

JAMES

September 30th, 2009
10:45 am

The fear mongers used to say that the Chinese were plotting to destroy America from the inside, too. Fear is the only thing that can actually destroy us. Those with pencils and fears are allowed to speak but we don’t have to let their fear into our hearts.

N.J.

September 30th, 2009
12:58 pm

The statement that the violence in Islam is destroying it is a typically American myth. There are still 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, and it is a religion that is growing faster than any other.

A valid point, about the Chinese. There is nothing in the constitution that suggests restricting immigration at all. If anything until the Chinese were made scapegoats, America’s borders were completely opened. Anyone could enter the country if they could get here,

The same goes with Iran and the Iranians and Muslims in general. The reasons for the collapse of the Shahs regime are intimately connected with U.S. policy. This recent article notes the difference of how Americans view the history of Iran and how Iranians who had to live with the consequences of American foreign policy viewed it:

Iran’s anger over decades of foreign meddling in its internal affairs reached its apex in the 1979 revolution.
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PEOPLE & PLACES
Inside Iran’s Fury
Scholars trace the nation’s antagonism to its history of domination by foreign powers
By Stephen Kinzer
Smithsonian magazine, October 2008
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Stephen Kinzer on “Inside Iran’s Fury”

No American who was alive and alert in the early 1980s will ever forget the Iran hostage crisis. Militants stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran, captured American diplomats and staff and held 52 of them captive for 444 days. In the United States, the television news program “Nightline” emerged to give nightly updates on the crisis, with anchorman Ted Koppel beginning each report by announcing that it was now “Day 53″ or “Day 318″ of the crisis. For Americans, still recovering from defeat in Vietnam, the hostage crisis was a searing ordeal. It stunned the nation and undermined Jimmy Carter’s presidency. Many Americans see it as the pivotal episode in the history of U.S.-Iranian relations.

Iranians, however, have a very different view.

Bruce Laingen, a career diplomat who was chief of the U.S. embassy staff, was the highest-ranking hostage. One day, after Laingen had spent more than a year as a hostage, one of his captors visited him in his solitary cell. Laingen exploded in rage, shouting at his jailer that this hostage-taking was immoral, illegal and “totally wrong.” The jailer waited for him to finish, then replied without sympathy.

“You have nothing to complain about,” he told Laingen. “The United States took our whole country hostage in 1953.”

Few Americans remembered that Iran had descended into dictatorship after the United States overthrew the most democratic government it had ever known. “Mr. President, do you think it was proper for the United States to restore the shah to the throne in 1953 against the popular will within Iran?” a reporter asked President Carter at a news conference during the hostage crisis. “That’s ancient history,” Carter replied.

Not for Iranians. “In the popular mind, the hostage crisis was seen as justified by what had happened in 1953,” says Vali Nasr, an Iranian-born professor at Tufts University’s Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy in Massachusetts. “People saw it as an act of national assertiveness, of Iran standing up and taking charge of its own destiny. The humiliation of 1953 was exorcised by the taking of American hostages in 1979.”

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/iran-fury.html

The Iranians may object to having a “Supreme Leader” and the religious council that he is a member of, but even the most important Iranian exiles and opponents to the government want NOTHING resembling a western style democracy. Most simply want to eliminate the clerical council, have a popular vote, but an Islamic style government and a constitution that reflects Islamic law. They have had too much experience with the United States to trust us at all.

N.J.

September 30th, 2009
1:33 pm

And there is a good reason that Islam spread so fast and far. It wasn’t violence. Muhammed and the first Caliph, Omar were the Ronald Reagan of their day, they offered a much better tax deal to the areas they wanted to control. It was not unusual for the people of a walled city to hear the Muslim’s offer and then boot their own nobility or governors out and let the Muslims in:

638 The “Covenant of Umar,” a pact between Umar Ibn Khatib and the Christians of Jerusalem, was concluded on the occasion of the conquest of that city by the Muslims. Umar decreed that Muslims should forever thereafter guarantee Christians freedom of religion, use of their churches for worship, and the right to visit holy places. In another version, Umar rescinded the Roman decrees that had banished Jews from Jerusalem and accorded Jews all the rights granted Christians.

Non-Muslims were not required to participate in jihad (military action in defense of Islam) nor did they have to pay the zakat (the tax for charity required of all Muslims), but they were required to pay the jizya, a poll tax that helped defray the expense of protecting them. Since Muslim taxes were significantly lower than those imposed by the Byzantines and since Muslims allowed citizens more latitude to pursue their own customs and religious beliefs, Jews and Christians almost universally welcomed their new rulers.

http://www.nmhtthornton.com/mehistorydatabase/islamic_conquests_632.php

Lower taxes, draft deferments, the locals must have loved that. And apparently they did because they let them in.

N.J.

September 30th, 2009
1:38 pm

“Jay Bookman, a purveyor of socialism in objective journalism disguise.”

So what. Fox News has proven it is a model that works for well over a decade.

Sean Hannity organizes and shows up at the “tea party protests” and takes part in egging them on, and the motto is still “Fair and balanced”

John

September 30th, 2009
5:23 pm

Evidence? What does that word mean to you, as a standard of measure, Mr. Bookman? Did you hear anything about the Holy Land Foundation trial, the largest, most significant terrorist financing trial in US history, which resulted in guilty verdicts on over 100 counts last December. The largest Muslim charity, and the majority of the largest others, were evidenced to be guilty of funding jihad. The defense stipulated to the FACT that internal documents, tapes, testimonty and other establishes undisputed material EVIDENCE of the Muslim Brotherhood’s purpose and operations in the US. Look at the General Memorandum of the MB on the NEFA.org site. 90% of Muslim orgs and a similar percentage of mosques (held in trust by the NAIT) are connected to the “civiilizational-jihad” through subversion, disinformation and other efforts to establish Islamic Law and supremacy within the US. This is material evidence, undisputed by those involved, but unknown to you and the vast majority of others. But you are a journalist with a duty to know and report accurately. Why aren’t you doing either?

Gentilly

October 1st, 2009
12:28 pm

Frankly, I am more concerned, and was far more affected, by the terrorists who destroyed my home city, New Orleans, than bin-Laden.The greatest terrorist, traitor and mass murderer of our time, former mayor “Slimy Sidney ” Barthelemy deliberately sabotaged the drainage canals, which is why the larger part of the city flooded.When the Corps of “Engineers” submitted the plans for the phoney “floodwalls” along the canals, the veteran engineers of the Sewage & water Board objected, saying that they would never hold. So Barthelemy PURGED them, replacing them with political hacks who a few years later deliberately dredged the canals so as to scrape away what little foundation those floodwalls had. At that point, even the Corps of Engineers got nervous, and wanted to build gates at the mouths of the canals which could be closed to prevent flooding in case the floodwalls collapsed. The City Hall Gang REFUSED to allow the gates to be built. They were willing to give up the immediate graft from the building of the gates for a far richer prize, the BILLIONS in “federal aid” that would pour in after the disaster. they knew that a hurricane was bound to hit in not too many years, and then they would cash in, as they have.The “federal aid” is going into the CRIMINALS’ pockets, not the victims’, of course. And understand this, Barthleemy and his successors could never have gotten away with this without the tacit approval of the ENTIRE city council and the cooperation of the local “news media”>

Bookdouche

October 1st, 2009
12:56 pm

So you hate Cal Thomas but you offer no evidence to disprove his easily provable theory…one need not listen to Cal Thomas but to the thousands of Muslims in the US alone, and the millions of Muslims outside the US who say they want to Islamize democracy and make the US a Muslim country…terrorism is just one way of achieving it…it paves the way for the submission to Islam…which is what Islam is all about – submission to Allah… Malik stated this at the prayer rally – that Muslims must continue spreading islam until only Allah alone is worshipped… that means you too arsehole… Bookman is a a Chamberlain protege without the knowledge, skill, or exposure and limited to this lousy little website where he can coddle 9/11 truthers into thinking Islam is peaceful…good luck with all that

NJhole

October 1st, 2009
1:04 pm

Do not take the Muslims as friends or protectors… is that bigoted?

Oh wait, it is the Quran that says “Do not take the Jews & Christians as friends or protectors” …because if you do then you are one of them…and if you are one of them then you are an apostate from Islam & we will have to kill you…well…according to Mohammad – going to argue with him? Who wants to tell me that Mohammad was lying? Blasphemy if you do & then well…we’ll have to kill you because that is the punishment for blasphemy…according to Mohammad – going to argue with him?

Now, kids, play nice « Bobknowsall

October 6th, 2009
1:35 pm

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