Huckabee: Let’s run the UN out of the country

Seriously though, is Huckster saying he wants isolationism again?

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“led by 83-year-old Kitty Werthmann”

Well, that’s part of the problem there – I’m sorry, but listening to the rantings of an old lady is one thing – I do that every day – taking her serious is another.

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Oh no!!! A 50% Palin piece by Bookman. He played too much golf this weekend. Musta stayed in the sand pits. Had to stoop low to eviscerate this one from the lowly ranks of Dem propaganda.

(And I just posted a fine piece on the last blog!!! Yes!!! All that work for nuthin!)

Later……kiddies!!

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Normal, if the trend keeps going like is now and Obama’s approval continue dropping…I could be President over him. I’ve worked at the Boys and Girls Club and stuff like that (sorta like a community organizer I guess). I can use a teleprompter really well. So I’m qualified, right?

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Peadawg,

Good for you, now when you become a Constitutional Law Professor like Obama, then maybe you can fill his shoes.

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Jay,

Yeah, these nutbags have the 20 percent club rallying their troops. But what the myopic retards don’t yet realize is that the other 80 percent of America has learned a lesson they won’t soon forget.

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” learned a lesson they won’t soon forget.”

If people haven’t learned by now, they sure will by 2012. Don’t elect someone that is THAT far on EITHER side of the line!

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But you supported and elected a Community Organizer to run the country.

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The party of losers just gets weirder with each passing day. I am surprised that Orly was not there though. And, I wonder if ole Tom Price was up there telling folks not to take no government handouts if they were flooded out.

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Huckabee is advocating to move the UN out of the US and most distinctly out of New York City — as a New Yorker who pays for these ridiculous “dignitaries” not only in US tax dollars but thru NYC tax dollar and horrific traffic conjestion — I totally agree. Get the UN out of the US — and if there is any state waiting for it with open arms, you can have it. And if you people do not think that the majority of Americans agree with Huckabee’s sentiments on the UN, then you had better step out of your ivory tower crowd — because you are in for a big, big, big shock in 2012.

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RE: Peadawg posting:

“What’s that saying…”better to stay quiet and let people think you’re an idiot, then to open it and remove all doubt”? lol”

Should I? Nah……

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Huckabee is the world’s worst bass player. I mean, he really needs to get a real job. Flippin’ burgers might be within his abilities.

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Peadawg, say what??

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“Ok, now I’m curious…what was there to like until she opened her mouth? Or did you think she just LOOKED like a good VP candidate?”

That was the point. Just another pretty face. She doesn’t belong in Washington.

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“Take it back from whom?”

Well, let’s ask a question to illustrate this. Take Obama & Eric Holder. Who’s really running the show in Washington? Acorn? Van Jones (I know, he resigned), Cass Sunstien?

Obama has had one conversation with the General in Command of the Afghan theatre. One in 8 months? Who’s running the show?

Answer those two questions & I’ll tell you who to take the country back from.

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Answer those two questions & I’ll tell you who to take the country back from.

Dang,I can’t answer those questions either! Who you gona call?

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“but it doesn’t answer the question…what did you LIKE about her “until she opened her mouth”?”

here was my answer

“Just another pretty face”

Is that too hard to comprehend?

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“Is that too hard to comprehend?”

You betcha. You said you “liked” her before she opened her mouth…you STILL have not said what it was you liked. She was running for VP of the USA and you LIKED HER until she opened her mouth? So are you saying that on the strength of her having a “pretty face” you would have VOTED for her if she’d just kept her mouth shut?

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And yet the neo-cons in the GOP just don’t understand why people think the political crazies are in charge of the Republican House?

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“So are you saying that on the strength of her having a “pretty face” you would have VOTED for her if she’d just kept her mouth shut?”

LOL! Ok Mrs. Dramatic. You think what you wanna think…if you’re really that much of a moron.

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Do people actually listen to AM radio any more.

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“if you’re really that much of a moron.”

YOU like a “pretty face” on a politician running for VP…and you think *I* am the moron? Best joke of the DAY. Here’s some advice: next time don’t even TRY to justify why you “like” a politician…because you obviously can’t do it.

Maybe you can tell us who the conned are going to take the country back FROM, instead?

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If anyone approved of the way 1) Obama apologized for this nation being a great nation and a superpower, or 2) approved of the way that hater Ahmadinejad spoke, then I can see why he or she is still in love with the UN, especially being on this soil. But, nothing is surprising these days from the left………

We’ve got Obama running around on our tax dollars lobbying for the Olympics in Chicago (and someone telling news stations up there to not air reports about those against said Olympics coming there). We’ve got Venezuela in cahoots with Russia for nukes. We’ve got record consecutive months of troop deaths in Afghanistan, and the Obama administration has only spoken to the commander once in 8 months. We’ve got Bill Clinton trotting out the old “vast right-wing conspiracy” cart again for those against Obama and Pelosi’s policies. We’ve got Sen. John Kerry set to release global warming legislation Wednesday along with Sen. Boxer, and Kerry himself said he didn’t even know what “Cap And Trade” meant. We’ve got Democrats out there wanting to raise taxes, even on the middle class via the VAT. Finally, we’ve got the Obama administration and DemoCarecrats who want to put people in JAIL for not buying health insurance – yeah, that same program that Obama said to George Stephanopoulos about it not being a TAX the weekend before last on his Sunday media blitz.

Wake up, America. While we still have one anyway.

By the way, has anyone ever heard a liberal/Dem speak out against Obama continuing to use Bush’s so called illegal wiretapping said left wingers bed wet over during the Bush years?

Oh, and that trillion dollar deficit bill that had to be ramrodded through in a hurry due to the so-called economic crisis (talk to those who are still alive who remember the Great Depression)?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33041366/ns/business-the_new_york_times

Sure am glad all those jobs were saved and unemployment never went above 8% as Biden promised back in March. Go ahead, Dems, raise taxes again and pass Cap & Trade and see what happens next.

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An idiot speaks again. Lets face it when George Bush started pushing his request for Congressional approval to do something with regard to Iraq, polls indicated that the vast majority of Americans (68 percent) only approved of taking action if there was a United Nation resolution that authorized it.

In fact the most CONSISTENT thing that Americans want from the United Nations is the ability for it to act militarily without the approval of either other countries OR the United States:

Polls have shown that most Americans believe the United Nations should be able to authorize force in a wide range of cases, including defending nations under attack, stopping countries from supporting terrorism, and restoring deposed democratic governments. In a WPO poll from 2007, almost three-quarters of Americans said the UN Security Council has the responsibility to protect people from severe human rights violations, such as genocide, as in Darfur…

…Most Americans therefore encourage reforms that would make the UN more effective. A majority of Americans in recent years, for instance, have favored expanding the UN’s powers to investigate human rights violations, to regulate the international arms trade, and even to select, train, and command its own peacekeeping force.
Not only have Americans wanted the United Nations to be more effective, but they have wanted it to be more legitimate, which would require introducing new voices into the anachronistic body. Seventy percent (PDF) of Americans answering a March 2005 survey by the international polling firm GlobeScan and the Program on International Policy Attitudes said they supported additional countries becoming permanent members of the Security Council, expressing the most support for new German, Japanese, Indian, and Brazilian seats…

…Contrary to popular thought, Americans see the United Nations as a critical pillar of world order. They believe in multilateralism–and they criticize their own government not for cooperating too much, but too little. Their dissatisfaction with the UN reflects not disdain but disappointment that the world body has fallen short of its ideals, and they seek reforms to improve its performance…

http://www.cfr.org/publication/20253/

If we go back over the history of the United States, it has largely been the superpowers which blocked it from acting. Russia before the end of the Cold War and the United States since the end of it.

The United States now is passing the Soviet Union in sheer number of vetoes of United Nation actions since the cold war has ended

Need more:

Americans Strongly Support UN in Principle, Despite Reservations about Performance…

Expansion of UN Powers

Multinational polls conducted by The Chicago Council on Global Affairs and WPO in 2006 and 2007 find that Americans, like much of the rest of the world, favor some dramatic measures to increase UN power. Seventy-five percent of Americans think the United Nations should be able to go into countries to investigate human rights abuses, 72 percent favor a standing UN peacekeeping force, and 60 percent endorse UN regulation of international arms…

Moreover, Americans are comfortable with giving the UN Security Council the right to authorize the use of force to address a variety of international crises. More than four out of five believe that the Security Council should be able to authorize the use of force to “defend a country that has been attacked” (83%) and equal numbers believe it should be allowed to do so to “prevent severe human rights violations such as genocide” (83%). About three out of four say the Security Council should also have this right to “stop a country from supporting terrorist groups” (76%).

…Americans show slightly less support for Security Council authority to use force on nuclear issues: 62 percent believe it should have the right to prevent new countries from acquiring nuclear weapons (33% should not), while 57 percent believe it should have the right to use force to prevent countries from producing nuclear fuel that could be used to produce nuclear weapons (39% should not). Fifty-seven percent also believe that the Security Council should be able to authorize force to restore “a democratic government that has been overthrown,” although 38 percent oppose this…

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/356.php

As usual conservatives tend to take the pulse of the nation by feeling the soles of its shoes.

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Oh no!!! A Huckabee hoopla piece by Bookman. He played too much golf this weekend. Musta stayed in the sand pits. Had to stoop low to eviscerate this one from the lowly ranks of Dem propaganda.

(And I just posted a fine piece on the last blog!!! Yes!!! All that work for nuthin!)

Later……kiddies!!

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After 46 comments about the conference, not a single argument against what the Republicans were actually saying. But we certainly get that none of the liberals on here actually like the Republicans that were at the conference.

The problem with liberals:

It’s simple really. Everyone knows that you don’t like or even hate anyone who disagrees with you.

We get that.

We understand.

We are all very aware of the feelings that liberals have for anyone who disagrees with them.

But the problem for liberals is that no one cares what you think about other people. Your personal problems with accepting the ideas of others does not concern most rational people.

But what others would like to see is if any of you . . . for once . . . give it one shot . . . . give it a try . . . stage any sort of an argument, any sort of debate, any sort of case against what others might believe instead of the continuing drama of why you don’t like another person.

Yes, I know. If you were smart enough to do that, you wouldn’t be liberals, now would you?

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And lets face it, the inability of the United Nations to act is largely a function of how both superpowers restricted its ability to act act independently of either in the wake of WWII.

Need a newer indicator:

Americans Remain Critical of the United Nations
Nevertheless, most want the organization to have a meaningful function

March 13, 2009

PRINCETON, NJ — For the seventh straight year, about 6 in 10 Americans — now 65% — say the United Nations is doing a poor job of solving the problems under its care. Only 26% believe it is doing a good job.

Republicans are more critical of the United Nations than are Democrats; older Americans are more critical than younger adults; and college graduates more so than those with no college education. However, the majority of these groups say the organization is doing a poor job.

Down, but Not Out

Despite the seven-year stretch of negative evaluations of the United Nations, Americans continue to believe the organization should have an important role in world affairs.

Given three options for what kind of function it should have, nearly two-thirds of Americans either say the United Nations should have a leading role in world affairs, in which all countries are required to follow its policies (26%), or say it should have a major role whereby it establishes policies but nations can still act separately when they disagree with it (38%).

Only 31% would narrow the U.N.’s role to nothing more than a forum for communication among countries. This includes 30% saying the United Nations should have a minor role of this kind, and 1% volunteering that the organization should not exist.

Notwithstanding the low esteem in which Americans now hold the United Nations, the international organization maintains its general appeal as an instrument for bringing nations together and even establishing policies for individual countries to follow.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116812/americans-remain-critical-united-nations.aspx

The rest of the world has almost a more negative opinion of the United Nations than Americans do, because it is seen simply as being another arm of the United States government, doing what America wants most of the time, and fearful of acting in cases when the United States is against such actions.

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“You know that at the bottom of this “take back America” garbage, they are talking about killing people who disagree with them”

Nooo! Of COURSE they aren’t, what would EVER make you think THAT? And if someone DOES start taking it to that extreme they will be the first to be surprised and they’ll NEVER admit their “rhetoric” led to it. They would NEVER, EVER do THAT. Would they?

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These clowns are looking for publicity in the same shameless way Pamela Anderson let’s her clothes (accidentally) fall off!

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In the 23 largest countries in the world, the a large majority of those polled believe that the United Nations should have the power to over ride the veto of ANY one of the permanent members of the Security Council.

Most interesting, a rather decent majority of Americans believe that the U.S. Veto should be able to be overridden:

In all countries but two, more people favor than oppose the idea of giving the U.N. Security Council the power to override the veto of a permanent member. Respondents were asked about the right, held by each of the five permanent Security Council members, to block any resolution with a veto, and were told: “Some people have proposed that this should be changed so that if a decision was supported by all the other members, no one member could veto the decision.” Respondents in the United States, Britain, France, Russia, and China were reminded in the question that their own country would lose the veto: for instance, Americans heard that “if a decision was supported by all the other members, no one member, not even the United States, could veto the decision.”

In the United States, 57 percent favor giving up the absolute veto (34% opposed),

Britain is similar at 56 percent (35% opposed) and in China, a 48 percent plurality is in favor (36% opposed).

Overall, citizens in 21 countries favor ending the absolute veto (16 majorities, 5 pluralities), with an average of 58 percent in favor and just 24 percent opposed. However, two permanent members are divided: France and Russia (France, 44% in favor, 43% opposed; Russia, 25% in favor, 29% opposed, with 46% not answering).

So conservatives have are on the wrong side of American public opinion as well. A good majority of Americans want the United Nations to be able to override the American veto.

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And that poll was from:

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/btunitednationsra/72.php?nid=&id=&pnt=72&lb=btun

Huckabee is playing to the Republican base, which assures that in 2010 and 2012, Republicans will be on the wrong side of public opinion. Again.

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Lets see some European versions of Bookman’s blog with regard to the United Nations:

“The UN is an American puppet. Disband it!”

“The UN may appear ineffective but it remains a potential instrument for establishing a global tyranny. The USA and the UK must withdraw”

“I heard recently that the New York Police Department has a budget several times larger than that of the entire UN put together. That just about sums up the attitude of the US and the dominating members of the UN and how much priority it is given. ”

“United Nations provide the opportunity to all the democratic, autocratic, civilian, military, good and bad leaders to grab an opportunity to shake hand with the god (USA president). ”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/911171.stm

Need I give more quotes?

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You’re on a roll, Kayacker 71!

I’d be more specific about congress by targeting its leaders: Pelosi and Reid. These two are responsible ramming that awful “Stimulus” bill through the process earlier this year. Pathetic.

Great list, though.

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Well at least Obama actually has had some experience organizing something. A claim few Republican politicians can lay claim to.

My favorite anti- government Republican is Phil Gramm. A man who never lived off the government teat. Born in an Army hospital, went to college on the Army death benefits, became a professor at a public university and then ran for office.

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Factodefact,

One problem. There are no facts in your post. Just more rightwing nonsense.

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And as usual, this is another thing that Republicans of Huckabee’s ilk have in common with Islamic fundamentalists as well. They hate the United Nations:

Bin Laden rails against Crusaders and UN

Osama Bin Laden’s latest challenge to the West and rallying cry to the Muslim world was broadcast on Al-Jazeera satellite television channel on Saturday 3 November. The date and location of the recording was not given. The following is the text as broadcast:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/1636782.stm

Mullah Omar Brands United Nations a Tool of the West (http://www.dawn.com/2001/04/11/top11.htm)
The DAWN Group of Newspapers of India presents “Mullah Omar Brands United Nations a Tool of the West,” an article that originally appeared in the April 11, 2001 issue of “DAWN.” The article describes the International Deoband conference near Peshawar, Pakistan. The conference featured messages from Afghan Muslim cleric and Taliban religious leader Mullah Muhammed Omar, Libyan revolutionary leader Muammar Qadhafi, and Saudi Arabian exile and suspected terrorist Osama Bin Laden.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/international/hispanic/terrorism/binladen.html

The speeches of Islamic terrorists railing against the United Nations as a puppet organ of the United States are legion.

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Hey Bosch!

How ya’ doing?

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Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2009
2:10 pm

I normally find your post interesting and with merit.It just seemed as if you were beating a dead horse with Peadawg.No offence intended!

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Of course the 42 million Americans who pay no income taxes should expect SOME profit from those who borrow their PAYROLL taxes to pay for things that those who pay income taxes but not much in payroll taxes want.

And the argument that businesses pay the part of the payroll taxes just does not wash. Social Security and Medicare are simply part of the wages of workers which would otherwise have to be paid in cash money rather than in the much lower rates that deferred benefits are paid at.

Same thing goes with health insurance. These benefits are not free. They are money which would otherwise have to be given as WAGES and of course market forces would force wages higher if these benefits did not exist. On the average salary, an employer saves about 28 percent of labor expenses by giving tax exempt benefits rather than wages. No one benefits more from benefits than large employers. The 14,000 dollar average cost of providing health insurance would be made up by having to shell out 20,000 in salary in to maintain the same market balance.

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Palin is smart.

How much intelligence does it take to cut and run?

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Enter your comments here

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“…the “How to Take Back America” conference, a phrase that always raises a question: “Take it back from whom?”

Are you kidding? Take it back from the liberals in government like Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 & Obama. Do you folks have any idea how much liberal legislation those 5 presidents signed in their administrations?

But, you guys reelected 4 of the 5. So nobody to blame but yourselves.

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The Tennessean reports that “Hoagland, 36, is one of the hundreds of thousands of Americans — insured and uninsured — facing collection suits, wage garnishments and, more rarely, trips to jail because of medical debt.”

Debtor’s prison! So that is what the Republicans are all up in arms about. They want to bring back part of what we left England centuries ago for. Republicans are a very weird lot. What next. Will they resurrect Salem’s Lot. The blood suckers.

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Mrs. G.,

Oh good, I’ll remember to wear short sleeves. That will be a nice segway into my presentation on the secret stuff I’ve been working on.

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Palin is the hottest looking politician the USA has ever seen! I don’t care what Taxpayer,Bosch and Doggone says.

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DGA–In Peadawg’s defense (how often are you going to see me write that?) I think he meant something along the lines of “she looked good on paper.”

Meaning in this case she was hyped as an un-knockable, recently-elected female governor. It took most everyone by surprise and it dominated the news cycle positively for McCain for the better part of a week.

But sooner or later she had to be expected to speak without a script, and things did not go well for her, as we all know.

Did I get that more or less right, PeaDawg?

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facebook?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/28/obama-facebook-poll-asks_n_301860.html

disgusting

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stands for decibels, ya the pretty much sums it up.

Doggone, YOU LIE if you say I said she’s qualified because of her looks(sorry..had to do it)

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Facts take time, and the ability to read them.

Fact remains that a huge majority of Americans are not thrilled with the United Nations, but less so with the United States hamstringing of the organization with its veto. When almost 60 percent of Americans want the U.N. to be able to OVERRIDE the United States veto, the Republicans again, are on the wrong side of the public sentiment.

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“Did I get that more or less right, PeaDawg?”

I think you probably did…but it’s still incomprehensible to me that someone “who looked good on paper” could even be considered by a voter before they even heard (or even read) what that person’s positions and proposed policies are.

I guess all I can say NOW is give it up. It can’t be explained in a way that makes sense to ME…no matter how much “sense” it makes to anyone else.

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Scooter,

Bosch? What Bosch said?

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Mz Godzie,

Facebooki??? What?? I seldom read suspicious links like Hunffington etc. Would you mind explaing this disgusting (?) bit of probable propaganda ? Thank you.

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Scooter

September 28th, 2009
2:58 pm
Palin is the hottest looking politician the USA has ever seen! I don’t care what Taxpayer,Bosch and Doggone says.

You should push for a Palin/Bachmann ticket in 2012 and every other presidential election afterward. I mean, I just don’t see how you could lose with that combination.

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You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is “Never get involved in a land war in Asia.” But only slightly less well known is this: “Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.”

He laughs and roars and cackles and whoops and is in all ways quite cheery until he falls over dead.

Vizzini, “The Princess Bride”

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Doggone, it doesn’t make sense to you b/c you’re the only one that took it that way. moron

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Jeeze, even the Governator is more intelligent in my book than old Chuck and that is saying a lot.

Of course, Ahnold was smart enough to take a turn to the left when his polls showed that even Governor Moonbeam could beat him last time around.

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The UN only exists to redistribute 1st world wealth to the 3rd world losers. I personally wish mohammed Atta and his camel humping mohammedon buttbuddies had flown into the UN building instead of the WTC and the pentagon..We could celebrate 9/11 instead of mourn 9/11

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And of course the best quote of all:

Fanaticism is redoubling your efforts when you’ve lost sight of your goals. —Bob Cecil

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Intelligence demands one know when to give up on something that is ineffective.

Yes, that is true if she never seeks public office again. By resigning her position as governor, however, she has given any opponent the “cut and runner” bumper-sticker and will probably not survive a primary election, much less a general election.

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Palin is smart and strong..She would never cut and run.

She already has.

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“She would never cut and run.” Except that she did.

“She’s proud of this country.” Except for the tens of millions who don’t fall into her narrow, specific definition of “Real Americans.”

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UN, SFCommittee equally incompetent.

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“She already has”

And you know what the funny thing is? If she’d “quit” to run for VP she would have had built in “good will” for not campaigning on “government” time and money. Boy, she squandered THAT chance, didn’t she?

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Palin/Bachmann — “Proof that quitters aren’t psychos and psychos aren’t quitters”

I think it’ll fit on a bumper sticker.

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You should push for a Palin/Bachmann ticket in 2012 and every other presidential election afterward. I mean, I just don’t see how you could lose with that combination.

Taxpayer,you are right! Can you just imagine those two in the red,white and blue bikinis that Normal was talking about and send them to the middle east for a peace talk.Got oil?

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In fact the UNRWA runs one of the LARGEST school system in the Middle East. Beats the crap out of the “American Universities” all over the region.

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Yes any organization that would allow a man time to address them that holds as his belief that the holocaust never happened. Then let a dictator, who just held a parade for a terrorist, to spout on and on for 90 min.

Yes they are a very effective organization. Not to mention an organization with such a high ground to stand on.

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Why not. American law makes it legal for ANYONE to deny the holocaust? The essence of democracy in action.

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Palin/Bachmann

or:

Quitter-Lazy/Batcrap-Crazy

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The United States outclasses every other nation, including Iran, in the number of Holocaust deniers according to the Jewish Virtual Library, kids:

One of the most notable anti-Semitic propaganda movements to develop over the past two decades has been the organized effort to deny or minimize the established history of Nazi genocide against the Jews. In the United States, the movement has been known in recent years primarily through the publication of editorial-style advertisements in college campus newspapers. The first of these ads claimed to call for “open debate on the Holocaust”; it purported to question not the fact of Nazi anti-Semitism, but merely whether this hatred resulted in an organized killing program. A more recent ad has questioned the authenticity of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC. These ads have been published in several dozen student newspapers on campuses across the country.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/denial.html

Nations in glass houses…

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The above was the most recent “favorability” ratings poll for Sarah Palin.

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Mz Godzie,

I had never heard of any assassination propaganda until you posted it and Bosch explained it. Why DID you post it??

Did I find it disgusting?

If you have to ask, I won’t bother to answer. Such questions do not deserve an answer.

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“Taxpayer,you are right! Can you just imagine those two in the red,white and blue bikinis that Normal was talking about and send them to the middle east for a peace talk.Got oil?”

Scooter, you must have lost your last copy of hustler to keep fantasizing over these two.

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In fact most of the president of Iran’s sources for his holocaust denial come from the United States. It is a recent phenomenon in the Middle East, and has been picked up from the west.

From the Anti Defamation League:

A longtime phenomenon in the West, Holocaust denial now regularly occurs throughout the Middle East—in speeches and pronouncements by public figures, in articles and columns by journalists, and in the resolutions of professional organizations. While some voices oppose this deliberate distortion of the historical record, the main tenet of Holocaust denial—that Jews invented the Holocaust story in an attempt to advance their own interests—appears to be an increasingly accepted belief for large numbers of people in Arab and Muslim states. The growing affinity for the Middle East demonstrated by Western Holocaust deniers—hard-pressed by anti-hate legislation in their native countries—underscores the fact that the Middle East is one of the few regions in the world today where governments do not condemn, and sometimes even sponsor, such anti-Semitic propaganda.

The effort to deny the basic facts of the Holocaust has its roots not in the Middle East but in Europe and the United States, and it stretches back, if not to the Nazis themselves, then to the years immediately following World War II. To make their claims credible, Holocaust deniers are forced to reject enormous volumes of historical evidence. Holocaust Denial: From East to West

http://www.adl.org/Holocaust/Denial_ME/default.asp

Even anti Jewish sentiments were imported from the West to the Middle East. The ideas were imported by the French and British powers controlling the Middle East in the 19th century.

Because the inclination of the British and French was to appoint Christians to civil positions and favor them in private business, the colonial powers needed a scapegoat to divert attention from the co-religionist Protestants and Catholics to the Jews of the Middle East. This started in 1839 when the French had the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” translated into Arabic and other Middle Eastern languages and printed in very inexpensive copies and even freely distributed them.

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Dusty

Not surprised you hadn’t seen it. I realize it’s from a media outlet
you don’t like.

And yet, it happened.

I think such questions DEMAND an answer.

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Or to put it even more bluntly, Middle Eastern holocaust denial came free with every six pack of Coca Cola.

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These people are on a different planet. having Joe the Plumber make a guest appearance was a nice touch. LOL. There is a related post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588

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Bosch-Based on numbers and longevity,ol Neal I guess qualifies.As in all HOF’s it’s subjective. Oh I answered you below finally, Bruno got the jest of my dribble.

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The United Nations was in fact more effective before the end of the Cold War, than it was afterwards. The U.S. has been a piss poor single world superpower in this regard.

Simply put:

Under Article 27 of the UN Charter, Security Council decisions on all substantive matters require the affirmative votes of nine members. A negative vote, or veto, by a permanent member prevents adoption of a proposal, even if it has received the required number of affirmative votes (9). Abstention is not regarded as a veto despite the wording of the Charter. Since the Security Council’s inception, China (ROC/PRC) has used its veto 6 times; France 18 times; Russia/USSR 123 times; the United Kingdom 32 times; and the United States 82 times.

The majority of Russian/Soviet vetoes were in the first ten years of the Council’s existence.

Since 1984, China (ROC/PRC) has vetoed three resolutions;

France three; Russia/USSR four;

the United Kingdom ten;

and the United States 43.

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If its ineffective, blame those 43 vetoes since 1984. Much of the United Nations inability to do anything hangs around the United States with a necklace of vetoes

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Bosch

Have you seen any video of Maniche (Cologne) stomping Arturo Vidal (Bayern Leverkusen) this past weekend? Maniche got a three match ban.

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Status quo of the U.N. is the ONLY status quo Obama is willing to accept.

There is absolutely nothing conservative about Mike Huckabee. He is as liberal as they come. His record in Arkansas proves it.

So you’re right, jay, when you say Huckabee is only out to promote Huckabee. Kinda like Obama, our present Dreamer in Chief.

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“I have already explained that. Constantly going to court to legally refute the contrived accusations made against her by the Democratic liberal wing was wrecking not only her finances, but costing the citizens of Alaska a lot of money to legally protect their governor.”

I don’t recall all the “constantly going to court” and the “contrived accusations” would you please
enlighten me with some facts?? wink wink!

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Palins poll numbers took a nose dive in July. In as heavily a Republican state as Alaska, Democratic opinion cannot be blamed for much of that dive:

PALIN’S AK POLL NUMBERS TAKE NOSEDIVE
Posted: Friday, July 31, 2009

In the poll, 48% see her negatively, versus 47% who view her positively.

In May 2008 — before Palin was selected as John McCain’s running mate — the same Hays Research poll had her positive rating at 86%, and in May 2009 it dropped to 54%. Now it’s 47%.
The new Hays poll was taken of 400 Alaskans, and it has a margin of error of plus-minus 4.9 percentage points.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/07/31/2016643.aspx

Palin has only Palin to blame for her polling. She opened her mouth without thinking and the results followed.

It ain’t just the Democrats. Palin took a huge hit from independents after she quit.

And the reasons were that when Palin hit the national stage they saw a mean spirited Palin they didnt like according to Alaska polls and newspapers.

Palin’s main Alaskan attacker. Not a Democrat but a Republican who ran against her as a third party candidate:

After McCain shocked the political world by picking Palin, the rest of the country experienced a flash of infatuation with the charming, gutsy governor. But some Alaskans turned against what they saw as her newly aggressive, mean-spirited demeanor.

At the studio of KENI in Anchorage, Andrew Halcro has become a focal point for anti-Palin advocates. Halcro is a former state legislator who was beaten by Palin in the 2006 gubernatorial election. (Running as an independent, Halcro finished third behind Palin and former Gov. Tony Knowles, a Democrat).

But he’s also a Republican. He has been disillusioned with Palin for, among other things, her handling of the troopergate issue. For the past month, he’s been hosting a daily talk radio show.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/chris_adams/story/53299.html

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Jokerman,

Your ID is correct.

Gore is the prize of liberals who admire a man who changed from a rich man into a richer man,.He extols the values of saving the poor and the world while living in mansions and manufacturing solutions to a problem that is still questionable.

I guess you also love Michael Moore, another liberal who is going to save the porr and the world by making millions on helpful twisted movies.

Those are your heroes, the hypocrites of the world. That is why you dislike Sarah Palin. She is honest, ethical and straight forward. Liberals go into shock that such a state exists in human form so they deny that it does.

Good laugh on you, jokerman.

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AmVet,honest question! What politician would stand a snow balls chance in hell of beating Obama in 2012?

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Dusty

The name is Mrs. Godzilla. Has been since January 1st 2008.
I did some great work as IN THE NEWS……but I have grown past the desire to see neo-cons explode.

As far as my ignorance of conservative character…..on the few occasions I have seen conservative character lately, I have applauded it.

Mostly these days we see characature instead.

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Hello Mrs. Godzilla

[[I did some great work as IN THE NEWS]]

Isn’t that back when you were working for a wire service?

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Mrs. Godzilla,

If you knew the very first thing about me, you would be assured that fear is not something I tend to traffic in.

I find it tasteless to have a person anytime speak of the elimination of another country, as the same who denied the holocaust did. Maybe you find that type of speech admirable and worhty of listening to. I however feel it is nothing but a platform for instigating violence.

By the way most of the members in attendance must have agreed with me that neither of the 2 men should have been allowed time. Because most left and would not be a part of the instigation.

So in conclusion, obviously you and I have different opinions on this. I feel that all views are valid and deserve the right to be heard. However i do not give credit to those who choose to give violent dictators, with nothing but violence and war to speak of, the platform to speak from.

I am not sure what you believe, but I am sure that you think it is a wise position to take that any who oppose your views must be scared. I have seen this from you many times. When from my humble opinion it has been your particular brand of political preference that has been using fear as a tool lately…..

It must be so nice to be you and smarter and wiser than us all.

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Oh my goodness…Now we know that the great info center that printed and posted propaganda against Palin in Alaska was a “newsman” who had lost an election to her. Who’d athought it? Right, jokerman? wink wink

Still fascinated by Palin, aren’t you? Look up your own facts about the wrongful legalities filed against Palin. You are the one who wants to smear her.

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Scooter, that depends on tow things.

First how poorly or not BHO performs in the next three plus years.

I would say so far he has earned a C. But if that slips further, the door may open for the GOP.

As for them, there is no real argument that they are in their current hijacked form a complete disaster. Even a debacle, GWB will almost assuredly go down in history as the very worst president in US history. A liar and an incompetent.

Rudderless, visionless, utterly outdated and unable to evolve, things look incredibly bleak for the neo-conned..

Yet knowing the enormous number of dupes and uninformed fools in our electorate, it is conceivable that someone like that oh-so-well coiffed Flip Flopping Mitt could raise enough dirty money to be a strong contender.

But I still believe that the nation so completely distrusts these fake conservatives and war mongering flat-earthers, it will be a Herculean task to upset the Uppity mulatto juggernaut…

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That’s why I asked to be enlightend PAUL….I don’t pretend to know everything as you do. The only case I can conjure up would be the troopergate nonsense and I don’t remember Ms Palin having to be in court.
Now since you seem to be the resident expert on Ms Palin and her woes give me some facts.

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Stalin basically got the United States to vote for the partition of Israel when the United States intended to abstain or vote with its WWII ally Great Britain, to continue the British Mandate.

When the U.S. saw Stalin change his vote, the idea of having Russian troops in the region to keep the peace, and so near all that oil, if war broke out was unsettling, and the U.S. abandoned its old buddy the U.K. and voted for partition.

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Bosch, when I feel the need to rea your brand of arrogance directed toward me I will be right there to ask for it.

And NO I do not consider you to be smarter than any of us….. That includes some of the posters who ya can’t figure out if they are parodies or not.

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I’m skeered of polls.

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Hef,

Oh, sorry I missed that. I too get tired of those who are irresponsible, and equally frustrated when people don’t see it both ways. Lazy is lazy – rich or poor.

But, I am still hoping for a unicorn, but Kamchak told me the other day they were left off the Ark because the dinorsaurs kept eating them – so they kicked them off too, or the dinosaurs were too big – or something like that – that’s still making me smile.

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Pogo is fun.

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jokerman

I’m the first to admit there’s always more to know. My point was, before taunting someone taking a certain position, it’s generally a good idea to have a passing familiarity with the topic. Unless you just like stepping on ant hills.

Just go to google.com and type ’status of ethics complaints against palin’ and you’ll find she’s her own source for some woes, others are caused by people who work the system for their vendettas. But generally there’s not much there (the meaning behind the ‘leading with one’s chin’ comment).

Hey Bosch!

One day, huh? I want to get it – son said it’s a good read. Read a nice article about Brown over the weekend (I was in a club section watching UT football – the only real team left in the original top 5) and he seems like a decent sort. Drives a Prius (someone asked him why he doesn’t drive a Maserati and he said it never occurred to him) and doesn’t like to be recognized.

Cheney’s evil? That’s ‘live’ spelled backwards, and he does it quite well. “Crook’ on the other hand, is ‘koorc’ spelled backwards, which isn’t a very good choice and should be banished from public discourse.

Just like Rangel.

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A Huckabee/Palin ticket for President/Vice President?
The heavens would not be so kind as to lay before the voters such an easy way of further emasculating the Repubs.

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“But I thought it was the wingnuts who are so fascinated with Chavez – y’all are, after all, the ones who talk incessently about him.”

Lie much?

http://www.altavista.com/image/results?itag=ody&q=celebrities+with+hugo+chavez&mik=photo&mik=graphic&mip=all&mis=all&miwxh=all

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Paul,

I LOVE stepping on ant hills – it brings out the daring adventuror in me.

I read all but about the first 50 pages or so. Those Brown books suck me in – all that religion symbology and conspiracy theory stuff – and bad guys. And you don’t know who the good guy is (or you start to suspect) – but it’s NEVER who you think it is.

Isn’t “koorc” a Klingon word?

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Paul,

Psssst. Thomas thinks I think I’m smarter than everybody. Snort.

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Bosch

I suspect you are very much above average!

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Bosch

[[Isn’t “koorc” a Klingon word?]]

OMG!!! You’re right!!! I never noticed before…

Charlie Rangel DOES look like a Klingon!

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Bosch

[[Psssst. Thomas thinks I think I’m smarter than everybody. Snort.]]

Hey, I KNOW you are! But hey, considering the population being compared….

BTW, what’re you snorting?

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http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=celebrities+with+hugo+chavez&mik=photo&mik=graphic&mip=all&mis=all&miwxh=all

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jokerman

Well, when you write [[I don’t recall all the “constantly going to court” and the “contrived accusations” would you please enlighten me with some facts?? wink wink!]] to a Palin fan it can easily be interpreted as taunting. But if you just meant it as an honest search for information accompanied by a description of an eye tic, that’s okay, too.

And I am NOT a neo-con. This week I’m wearing my anarchist hat.

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Good to see you here, PAUL Like a breath of fresh air I might add.

I don’t know about you and Bosch and the dinosauers but we have had some dragons here today. Poor creatures running amuck amid the Liberal jungle and the Comservative good Conscience, the battles of Bookman’s libby dibby do.

But … survival of the fittest!! Uh oh, I shouldn’t haven’t even brought about any thoughts of Darwin. Bookman will be nosing around and posting something on “creation critters’. and such.

Just premonition, sir. Not a single fact in sight.

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Wingnuts are obsessed with everyone who has balls and stands up to the U.S. especially when it comes to not allowing American corporations create the American way of life on their countries resources and on the backs of their people.

Look at every nation that the United States has had a beef with in the last decade. Everyone of them said no thanks to American petroleum companies and nationalized their own oil to provide money for their own people. Iran, Iraq, and Venezuela have two things in common. Oil and leaders who decided to nationalize that resource. We have to be more careful with Russia. They did the same thing, when Putin nationalized their oil, paid off their debt to the United States and took decided that American oil companies would no longer be allowed to make money off of a national asset. But Russia has nukes.

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Dusty

[[Like a breath of fresh air I might add. ]]

That’s ’cause we’re only a few days past Saturday night bath time. But just you wait until midweek or so…

Was listening to the radio on my drive this weekend. After all the angst a few years back about not being able to ship body armor and armored humvees and such fast enough, I’m amazed that when a commander asks for more soldiers so hopefully so many won’t get killed, a months-long imposed delay is considered a good thing.

Speaking of DeLay, I saw he got voted to return on that dancing show. Is this a great country or what?

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Hello Taxpayer

Nice try. Sticks and stones and all that.

You lalaland moonbat, you -

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Taxpayer

I just noticed… Bosch has established Cheney is evil. You say he’s a dick. So you’ve made him an evil dick.

Taxpayer’s a Puritan!

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And of course, Iran now has the Reagan provided missile technology to use any weapons it might get with.

Before Reagan had Israel provide those missiles, the Iranian missile technology was just behind the South Carolina Fireworks industry. Reverse engineering the throttles on the TOW missiles we sold them during Iran Contra has allowed Iran to become second only to the United States in missile sales. They sell to everyone we won’t

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Paul, I said Cheney was a Dick. You clearly have other thoughts of him.

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Taxpayer

I have other thoughts of him?!!? Hey, you’re the one who made it a BIG d!

Dusty

Doesn’t have to be fancy. Just tasty!

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“And if you people do not think that the majority of Americans agree with Huckabee’s sentiments on the UN, then you had better step out of your ivory tower crowd — because you are in for a big, big, big shock in 2012.”

“Thanks Voter, you proved my point. That sentiment is only shared by the 20 percent club.”

Uh — and how did we just prove that? Because you said it? WOW!

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Voter: If you are truly a New Yorkers–where is the U.N actually located at what is the surrounding landmark.

Otherwise the other real americans will not see the likes of old Huckabee in office.

2012 Huckabee/Palin and you people will be failing…again.

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[...] republican Mike Huckabee, who wants to be president someday: The highlight of the convention Saturday night was a speech by [...]

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Considering the 535 twerps that are running the country now, show me one who’s anymore qualified to be there than Palin. Obama is less qualified than she is and he’s in the White House, for God’s sake!!!!!!!

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