Good thing we don’t ration health care in the USA

From the Dayton Daily News:

OXFORD — Friends say the Miami University graduate who died this week after reportedly suffering from swine flu delayed getting medical treatment because she did not have health insurance.

Kimberly Young

Kimberly Young

News of Kimberly Young’s death Wednesday, Sept. 23, came as a shock to those who knew the vibrant 22-year-old who was working at least two jobs in Oxford after graduating with a double major in December 2008.

Young became ill about two weeks ago, but didn’t seek care initially because she didn’t have health insurance and was worried about the cost, according to Brent Mowery, her friend and former roommate.

Later stories suggest Young died of viral pneumonia, rather than swine flu.

403 comments Add your comment

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
6:57 am

I sense an AJC editorial board theme-

What accounts for our odd generational schism — care for the aged, indifference to the young?-Queen Pinko

Aaahh, yes, the democrat party has schemed up a new set of talking points and the state run media fax machines whir.

Mowery said Young eventually went to an urgent care facility in Hamilton where she was given pain medication and then sent home.-Dayton Daily News.

Um, University Hospital, uh, duh? Where were they, hmmm?

Sounds like there were several failures here, but then again, nobody has ever died from swine flu, right?

Cherokee

September 27th, 2009
7:05 am

What a tragedy.

And leave it to a “Christian” blogger to discount it.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
7:28 am

I’m not the one politicizing a tragic death for democrat party policy gain-

delayed getting medical treatment because she did not have health insurance.

she didn’t have health insurance and was worried about the cost

If she had insurance, she would have gone to the doctor,”

but didn’t seek medical treatment because she didn’t have health insurance.

that Young was reluctant to get care because she didn’t have insurance.

That’s from one article, you reckon they are trying to put forth a message or what?

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/deceased-miami-student-remembered-for-her-passion-315472.html

How compassionate.

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
7:28 am

“Christian” blogger, Cherokee! Surely you posted that comment in jest. I know of no definition of “Christian” that would fit.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
7:32 am

Here’s a good one for ya-

Uninsured 22-Year-Old Boehner Constituent Dies From Swine Flu-ThinkProgress.

What a perfect prop this dead woman is to bash Boehner with. Aren’t y’all so lucky she passed at such an opportune time? It’s almost perfect, isn’t it?

Rightwing Troll

September 27th, 2009
7:32 am

“Aaahh, yes, the democrat party has schemed up a new set of talking points and the state run media fax machines whir.”

After the previous 3 election cycles where the party of “christians” used Social Security as a oggedy boogedy man to scare seniors into voting republiconned, I guess the Dems finally caught on, huh?

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
7:37 am

Jay,

Perhaps our school systems need to shift their emphasis and focus more on teaching their students more about how to identify illnesses along with basic finance and healthy lifestyles. Clearly, studies in poetry, literature, history, etc., are not paying off. Off course, our teachers here in Georgia may not have as much to offer as they once did either.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
7:39 am

Young traveled twice to Latin America to explore human rights issues, and helped organize the spring break trips as part of the Students for Peace and Justice, said Walt Vanderbush, club adviser and professor of political science and Latin American studies.

“She had an incredible commitment to social justice,” Hey said.

Kudos to the University of Miami for teaching their students the useful things in life, giving them the basic skills necessary to like find a job and to know the simple things about society they live in, like how you can go to any emergency room in the United States and be treated for free.

danjonglee

September 27th, 2009
7:45 am

Can you be treated without health Insurance? What’s the definition of ration?

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
7:46 am

“Just the other day, one Republican senator said – and I’m quoting him now – ‘If we’re able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him,’” Obama said, quoting DeMint. “Think about that. This isn’t about me. This isn’t about politics. This is about a health care system that is breaking America’s families, breaking America’s businesses, and breaking America’s economy. And we can’t afford the politics of delay and defeat when it comes to health care, not this time, not now.”

DeMint made the remarks on a call last week organized by the group Conservatives for Patients Rights, which opposes Obama’s plans for health care reform.

“Conservatives for Patients Rights”! Which rights would those be and who are these conservatives. Are they compassionate conservatives. Are they family valued compassionate Christian conservatives.
And, who is doing the politicizing. Obama’s waterloo! What does that mean.

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
7:49 am

By the way, there is no such thing as being treated for free in an emergency room. It costs money to keep the lights on in that building and to keep a staff there and to purchase supplies, etc.

lovelyliz

September 27th, 2009
8:11 am

Ask Nataline Sarkisyan’s family what they think about insurance companies rationing care. I’d say to ask the 17 year old, but she’s dead.

Ask Cheryl Tidwellin insurance industry director about “controlling utilization”.

Ask th insurance companies in about denying coverage like they are doing with at least 1 in 5 claims in California.

Ask my mother who has been diabetic for 40 yeara and on insulin most of that time, whose private insurance company, the same one my father paid into for more than 3 decades with a promise of continued coverage, has decided without contacting her physician or even her oncologist that she doesn’t need the insulin that she injects herself with, about insurance companies rationing care,

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
8:12 am

We do ration health care but this isn’t an example. She could have and should have sought treatment earlier.

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
8:16 am

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
7:39 am

You’re only treated for “free” if you’re an illegal alien. A citizen will be hounded to their grave or bankruptcy for payment.

danjonglee

September 27th, 2009
7:45 am

Jay must be hungover this morning.

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
8:19 am

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
7:49 am

Nothing is free. Well, I guess nothing is.

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
8:20 am

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
7:37 am

You got that right…..again!

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
8:22 am

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
7:32 am

Clinton (Bill) killed her!

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
8:30 am

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
7:28 am

Sarcasm? Self-proclaimed Christian would have been appropriate. The Christian did surface for a short time yesterday. It’s a heavy burden to carry.

Bob

September 27th, 2009
8:36 am

I think she is one of the group of people that Obama identified as those that choose to not have health insurance. The story never mentions how she worked two jobs but chose not to have coverage. I have to agree with Obama on this one, these young people that can afford coverage but choose not to are a drain on the system. While she herself did not walk away from an unpaid bill, if she had an emergency, other insureds would have to cover. She worked two jobs and chose not to go to the ER because she did not want to spend the money. At her age she couls have got coverage for $150 a month.

Normal

September 27th, 2009
8:42 am

A young woman has died in the prime of her life with the future as her apple. This is tragic in so many ways that it should touch your soul…just sayin’.

Normal

September 27th, 2009
8:43 am

MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
8:45 am

Bob

September 27th, 2009
8:36 am

She probably hadn’t been working long enough to get health insurance. There is a waiting period for new-hires at a lot of companies.

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
8:46 am

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
8:19 am
Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
7:49 am

Nothing is free. Well, I guess nothing is.

Actually, as I mentioned in the thread below, I think there is good money to be made by the true entreprenuer on my latest invention — dehydrated water. It is all in the marketing.

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
8:48 am

The poor lady probably had a pre-existing condition — acne, perhaps — that disqualified her from health insurance at affordable rates.

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
8:55 am

Normal

September 27th, 2009
8:42 am

One of approximately 150 that day.

Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326 (2006)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/deaths.htm

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
8:56 am

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
8:46 am

Madison Avenue would love it!

RW-(the original)

September 27th, 2009
8:57 am

Enter your comments here–

Good thing we don’t ration health care in the USA

Good thing we have mindless readers so that an equally mindless headline writer can spit out a talking a point and then cut and paste an article that doesn’t support the headline in the least, but knows full well his leftist following will never see the disconnect.

Let’s follow this through a bit though. The young lady was probably like most young people and thought she would always get better. She was working “at least two jobs” and her priorities were obviously on things other than health insurance or even a doctor visit. For the vast majority of young people this would have been an acceptable set of priorities. The Democrat answer to this is to force every young person in the country to spend their hard earned money on a health insurance plan or tax fine them up to their eyeballs.

Speaking of which I think I finally got back to the rationing part from the headline. Once we force everyone to get insurance that pays for every ache and pain where are we going to get the doctors to treat them?

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
8:59 am

Well, the first thing this country needs is for capitalism to start carrying its share of the load. Of course people will get the impression that socialism is taking hold when the government is the only place to go for a job.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
9:06 am

The unemployment rate for young Americans has exploded to 52.2 percent — a post-World War II high, according to the Labor Dept. — meaning millions of Americans are staring at the likelihood that their lifetime earning potential will be diminished and, combined with the predicted slow economic recovery, their transition into productive members of society could be put on hold for an extended period of time.-NYPost

Good idea voting for Obozo, wasn’t it, children?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 27th, 2009
9:09 am

Well, looks to me like this is a case of somebody making Bad Choices are not taking Personal Responsibility.

1. If she had of made a Choice of being born to rich parents, she would of had the money to buy health insurance.

2. If she had of made the Choice to make sure one of those jobs offered health insurance, she would of been covered.

3. If she had of went out and got a job that offered health insurance instead of going to school, she would of had health insurance.

Anyhow, she’s dead now. Just because she died is no reason to make the rest of us pay for health insurance for others like her or buy it for ourselfs.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good Sabbath everybody. I’m going to go down to the Church of Holiness and pray this Obama don’t make us pay for health insurance for other people. That’s my Choice and I made it.

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
9:09 am

RW-(the original)

September 27th, 2009
8:57 am

The medical schools are expanding:

NEW YORK, Jan. 30 — With the nation’s medical schools in the midst of a major expansion, the education system has an “unparalleled opportunity” to restructure curricula and reform physicians’ training.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealthPolicy/HealthPolicy/12689

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
9:12 am

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
9:06 am

Yes it was. He and his administration got us out of a worldwide economic crisis and a recession in 6 short months.

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
9:14 am

I guess one child wants Obama to create even more government jobs. After all, unemployment is all his fault. :roll:

mike

September 27th, 2009
9:14 am

This is a sad story, but to call this rationing is just plain stupid.

The girl would have recieved care if she had sought it. She was just ill-informed about the treatment that was available to her.

In fact, one might even make the case that she believed that there was no care available to her due to the fear-mongering and misinformation put our by liberal pundits.

@@

September 27th, 2009
9:15 am

Where was this young woman’s parents, jay? My husband and I (knowing that health insurance falls somewhere on the bottom of our daughter’s list of priorities) make sure that a premium payment is in her bank account – to be automatically withdrawn each month. It’s not that costly…$89.00.

She has also visited the campus health clinic for boosters. I told her to ask when the H1N1 vaccine would be made available. They gave her an early October date at which time she will revisit to be innoculated.

Harass your college-age students if you must ’cause they have “more important” things “on their minds”.

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
9:17 am

Once we force everyone to get insurance that pays for every ache and pain where are we going to get the doctors to treat them?

Let’s see, is the answer, “off the golf courses”, no, that’s not it. Wait, wait, don’t tell me. Oh, I know. From the public schools. No. No. How about India. No, that won’t do.

So, where have all the doctors gone.

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
9:18 am

@@

September 27th, 2009
9:15 am

I’d be interested in knowing the details on that policy.

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
9:20 am

In fact, one might even make the case that she believed that there was no care available to her due to the fear-mongering and misinformation put our by liberal pundits.

Do my eyes deceive me. This epitome of non-partisanship and tolerance could not have possibly typed this tripe. Could he!

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
9:22 am

TnGelding

September 27th, 2009
9:18 am
@@

September 27th, 2009
9:15 am

I’d be interested in knowing the details on that policy.

Our daughter has one. Basically, it kicks in after we spend $10,000 in a given year, unless she turns out to have had a previously undisclosed pre-existing condition, such as breathing.

mike

September 27th, 2009
9:24 am

The article states:

“On Tuesday, Sept. 22, Young’s condition suddenly worsened and her roommate drove her to McCullough Hyde Memorial Hospital in Oxford, where she was flown in critical condition to University Hospital in Cincinnati.”

If her health care was “rationed”, how was she airlifted from hospital to hospital?

Let’s be clear. As the far, far more expensive medical treatment the victim received demonstrates, she had access to health care despite her lack of insurance.

This is a tragic story and one really has to wonder what the utterly dishonest claims by some that the uninsured do not have access to health care are partly responsible for this young lady’s misunderstanding.

Again, claiming that this is a case of rationing is a lie of Glen Beck’s caliber and Jay has demonstrated that he is no better. The partisans who starting bleating the same lie are no different than Rush Limbaugh’s least critical dittohead.

Bob

September 27th, 2009
9:27 am

TNgelding, The fact is that if you get a new job and the benefits don’t kick in for 90 days, you go out and buy a short term health plan. Can anyone come up with a reason why Bookman mentions rationing here ?

@@

September 27th, 2009
9:27 am

Here ‘ya go TnG.

Quotes/premiums based on zip code.

mike

September 27th, 2009
9:27 am

@@ –

“Where was this young woman’s parents, jay?”

Even apart from that, if she would have walked into the U of M student health center (or any other hospital) with Swine Flu symptoms, she would have recieved treatment.

She was misinformed about he health care that was available to her, because she thought that the uninsured could not receive health care.

Where do you think she got that idea?

mike

September 27th, 2009
9:28 am

Let’s be clear:

When she went to the hospital, she got treatment. Expensive treatment.

Does anyone debate that basic fact?

mike

September 27th, 2009
9:32 am

Let me be clear on Jay’s logic, because I feel like I must be missing something:

1) Ms Young needed medical treatment.

2) Ms Young did not seek medical treatment because she was misinformed about the medical care that was available to her.

3) Ms Young passed away from a lack of medical treatment.

4) Ms Young’s lack of medical treatment was due to “rationing”?

This is absurd.

What is the difference between Jay making false claims about rationing in the current health care system and Sarah Palin making false claims about rationing in the proposed health care system?

Nothing.

Kamchak

September 27th, 2009
9:35 am

mike

September 27th, 2009
9:40 am

Anybody want to deny that the girl got health care when she went to the hospital?

Anyone?

GoingBroke

September 27th, 2009
9:40 am

First things first.. Regardless this is a very sad story.
She was 22 and didn’t know how to seek medical care? This says wonders about what we have taught our children.

@@

September 27th, 2009
9:40 am

Where do you think she got that idea?

From bleeding heart liberals like Taxpayer @ 7:49 who seem to resent the cost of operating emergency rooms for the benefit of young women like Kimberly Young?

Surely Kimberly’s parents didn’t fall for the liberal hype. I’d like to think they were better informed that that.

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
9:43 am

The one area that could truly benefit from preemptive strikes, healthcare, gets the most obfuscation from our indistinquishable colleagues — the conservative bloggers, the party of no. Preventive care for humans is just the logical thing to do. It’s no different than changing the oil in one’s car and lubricating the joints, etc. We need to do the same (amongst other things) with healthcare. This young lady, for example, needed to be able to walk into a clinic and just have a nurse listen to her breathing in order to most likely detect pneumonia or at least alert her to visit a doctor. She shouldn’t have needed to seek emergency room care. We need change. Real change. This that we have is failing all of us except for those that seek to profit from other in their time of greatest need. Capitalism does indeed have its dark side too.

Anyway, this is going to be a great day to get outside. I think I’ll take advantage of the fall weather.

jconservative

September 27th, 2009
9:44 am

Mike – “On Tuesday, Sept. 22, Young’s condition suddenly worsened and her roommate drove her to McCullough Hyde Memorial Hospital in Oxford, where she was flown in critical condition to University Hospital in Cincinnati.”

If she had no insurance who is going to pay for the flight to University Hospital? If she had insurance, would the insurance pay for that flight? Check your policies guys, you will find that most policies do not pay for that.

thomas

September 27th, 2009
9:45 am

Shameless, Bookman, Shameless!

Much credibility was lost by you today for trying to link this to rationing. We all know you want us to have a public option of health care. However we do not expect you to lie to us, and also condemn those who would spread such lies.

Again shame…… And I used to think you honestly believed what you wrote to be true. After today I see that all of your critics are correct and you are nothing more than a pundit, blabbering lies and hoping one sticks.

You have let down a faithful readed!

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
9:48 am

From bleeding heart liberals like Taxpayer @ 7:49 who seem to resent the cost of operating emergency rooms for the benefit of young women like Kimberly Young?

That is indeed an udderly stupid comment. Then again…

Mrs. Godzilla

September 27th, 2009
9:50 am

Insurer Denies Woman’s Claim: She Should Have Known That Her Bleeding Breast Was Not An ‘Emergency

here

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/25/blue-shield-denies/

ANother day, Another healthcare outrage.

I read were most Republicans support the Public Option too…….

Taxpayer

September 27th, 2009
9:50 am

Where do you think she got that idea?

What is this, emulate Andy day.

AmVet

September 27th, 2009
9:52 am

The white collar criminals and fascists who run these GIANT HMOs and insurance business, and in BIG pharma, among countless other industries are engaged in an open war against the American people.

A PR war. A war paid for by money as dirty as Ollie’s and Ronnies was back in the 80s. A war of attrition. And a war that kills people like this young woman and ruins unimaginable number of American lives EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Why do you traitorous conned root for them? They’d f you in a heartbeat. They gladly deny you a chance at life because you too are stupid to realize you’re not profitable enough.

Is it because they hide behind that giant American flag on Wall Street?

Is that all it takes for you simpletons? Just wrap oneself up in Old Glory and they can do whatever they want? No matter how unethical?

Why do you arm these thieves and swindlers by electing spineless representatives, like Susbee, who promote THEIR general welfare but not yours? Nor your children’s nor theirs?

Why is class warfare one of the cornerstones of your fake conservatism? You clods here certainly are lower middle class.

Why do you – to your harm – advocate for this American oligarchy? And power in a few immoral hands?

Is your measly and dwindling portfolio ALL that matters to you anymore?

As evidenced by your greatest of heroes, the most serially impeachable criminal to ever occupy the West Wing, GWB, is the rule of law to be treated as a nuisance and a waste of time?

Why is the most sacred document ever written, the US Constitution, just a bunch of outdated and meaningless words to you neo-cons?

Why?

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

GoingBroke

September 27th, 2009
9:52 am

Even if we had FREE healthcare.. this would have still happened.

thomas

September 27th, 2009
9:57 am

Mrs. Godzilla,

I think we can all agree that health care reform needs to happen. However one could argue that just as bad can happen, or worse and more frequently, things can and have happened under gov’t ran HC systems.

http://www.riograndefoundation.org/new/articles/?EC=ReadArticle&ArticleID=277

My favorite isthe one were the man was assigned a by-pass surgery a year after he had already died of a heart attack. In this case the doctors knew he needed the surgery, but didn’t care to get him the surgey. They knew and watched him die.

mike

September 27th, 2009
10:00 am

“This young lady, for example, needed to be able to walk into a clinic and just have a nurse listen to her breathing in order to most likely detect pneumonia or at least alert her to visit a doctor.”

She would have gotten it if she walked into the U of M student health center. She might have been presented with a nominal bill for the anti-biotics. That’s what student health centers are for.

GoingBroke

September 27th, 2009
10:10 am

So is this what it really boils down to? Lack of personal responsibility equates to health care rationing? So.. what Jay is saying.. We need the gov’t to make all our decisions for us.

Jimmy62

September 27th, 2009
10:10 am

I didn’t have insurance when I was her age. One time I got sick. I went to a doc in the box and paid out of pocket for treatment. It meant I couldn’t go out drinking with friends for a few weeks because I couldn’t afford it. Too bad this lady didn’t have the same sense. This is a case of death by stupidity.

mike

September 27th, 2009
10:12 am

jconservative –

“If she had no insurance who is going to pay for the flight to University Hospital?”

Well, after her life was saved, she probably would have gotten a bill. I think she would have taken that deal.

Now if she hadn’t been misinformed, she might have been presented with a modest bill.

“If she had insurance, would the insurance pay for that flight?”

Maybe, depends on the policy. That’s pretty irrelevant to this debate though.

This girl dies because she did not avail herself of medical attention that was available to her. She chose not to avail herself of this medical treatment because she was misinformed that she could not recieve medical treatment without insurance.

Rationing did not kill this girl. Misinformation killed this girl. Who supplied that misinformation?

mike

September 27th, 2009
10:16 am

AmVet is responding as usual when his brain doesn”t like what he is seeing: with blind rage and wacko rhetoric like:

“hite collar criminals and fascists”
“traitorous conned ”
“thieves and swindlers”
“class warfare”
“power in a few immoral hands”
“mpeachable criminal”

Typical tin-foil hat crap.

He doesn’t event address the subject at hand, because he knows that this girl had plenty of access to health care, but decided not to access it.

Donovan

September 27th, 2009
10:16 am

@@ is absolutely right. I had the same program for my kids in college. This Democrat sad story is another play book tactic in bad taste for the purpose of furthering a bogus agenda. We see it all the time when Democrats try to sell something. They drag out all the sad cases and pretend to care for the poor, the sick, and the dying. Enough with the smoke-and-mirrors routine. I for one am appalled at the idea that these disingenuous liberals will try to shake me down with higher taxes to fund a program that provides health insurance to those that don’t have, don’t want it , or too irresponsible to get it. Who gives them the right to use the government to discriminate against the wealthy? Who gives them the right to pass laws to curtail freedoms and loot the pockets of the wealthy? When it comes to rudely reaching into my pockets, I’m not that charitable.

Jimmy62

September 27th, 2009
10:23 am

Oh, that was a good point. If I was 22 now, I’d probably be fooled by all the media coverage into thinking that I couldn’t get treatment unless I was insured. I mean, why all the hoopla about how we must get everyone insured, if you could get treated without it anyway?

Jimmy62

September 27th, 2009
10:30 am

AmVet, I notice how instead of responding with an actual argument, you resort to insults. Interesting.

Bosch

September 27th, 2009
10:31 am

I was talking to a woman this weekend who told me her nephew who was a doctor used to sit in on hospital death panels – they determined who got treatment based on who could pay. He stepped down off that panel after a while.

Single payer is the only way. Let’s get rid of the health insurance companies – they can build nursing homes.

Eric

September 27th, 2009
10:37 am

Single payer health care would benefit almost everybody. I don’t get the right wingers who consistently oppose their own best interests. I guess the proper word for that is stupidity. Although some are just gullible.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 27th, 2009
10:54 am

Repubozos could care less that she’s dead. They legislate and fight in court to micromanage the pregnancy, then don’t care if the baby gets thrown in the dumpster once it’s delivered. Kimberly was delivered, and Repubozo health care threw her in the dumpster. As one of the top ten dumbest people to ever serve in the US Senate Jon Kyle said Friday, “If he doesn’t have the disease, who gives a flying F.”

According to the Dayton Daily News, the University of Dayton “requires” health insurance. 7% have it through the university. They can opt out if they sign a statement saying they have insurance elsewhere, and a large percentage of them don’t. They save %726 a year by not carrying university insurance.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/lack-of-health-insurance-among-college-students-a-concern-in-flu-season-318042.html

In a traditional show of stupidity, less than 10% and probably less than 5% of pregnant women in Georgia who are in the highest risk group from H1N1 will get the vaccine, correlated with the Georgia high of 47th in SATs in the country.

A very small percentage of medical personnel will get the H1N1 vaccine, further reenforcing stupidity in Georgia. New York made it mandatory, and the medical community responded by refusing in droves.

Ignorance is pandemic along with bliss; let’s hope death doesn’t join that group.

RW-(the original)

September 27th, 2009
10:55 am

Enter your comments here–

OFF TOPIC

Bosch,

I thought about you during during a long walk yesterday. The usual routes I take were shut down with roads and bridges out so I went off into parts unknown and started seeing signs for a church that was holding an arts and wine festival to benefit the Haitians.. Needless to say that got me curious on several levels. The first question, why was a church holding a wine festival, was answered as soon as the sign came into view and I saw it was an Episcopal Church. The other thing was, assuming Heroes is a true story, those Haitians can do some really cool mind tricks with people’s memory so if I could help them by drinking some wine I’m there. Oddly after mingling for a while I can’t remember anything else about it…..

Cherokee

September 27th, 2009
10:55 am

“Anybody want to deny that the girl got health care when she went to the hospital?

Anyone?”

The point, Mike, and I’m pretty sure you’re clever enough to know this, is that because she couldn’t afford health insurance, she didn’t go and see her doctor when she first got sick, and when care might have made a difference. Instead she waited till she was desperately ill, and sought the most expensive care possible.

And this is a system you want to defend?

Chris

September 27th, 2009
10:59 am

There are only two rational, logical solutions to health care.

One is to abolish employee AND government provided health insurance, forcing it all into the private domain, requiring people to plan and purchase individual plans – which should not be health discount plans, but a monetary amount to be spent for emergency and excessive costs – with rates based on personal health risk (genetics being left out of risk…(which would adjust the marketplace – don’t panic).

The second is to abolish insurance and make the health system all public with doctors paid salaries, no piece meal service charges. The government would provide the money to run the system through a tax upon all people.

Forcing people to purchase insurance is taxation without representation. I can say this, as being alive would make each and every citizen a forced client of a private money making industry, part of which would be our very own government. We however would not vote people into the control and management of the majority of the industry, thus leaving no representation. Blatant treading on our Constitution – by the Congressional members, to achieve a perceived social good. Our country is for the people, not business, i hope the health insurance industry does not gain their golden parachute, it will not result in better health care, but profits at the very expense of us all – as none of us will be customers anymore, just the government that gave them the forced membership.

Health insurance is not health care. This is what is wrong with the system – insurance should not be used to provide care – but to insure against monetary loss, in extreme cases. Providing care is much like handing banks money with the expectation they will use all of it for the people, they will do what business does, care for itself, profit and then with the remainder, help the people.

Wake up America.

AmVet

September 27th, 2009
10:59 am

62, act as though you are some high class debater who seeks knowledge and reasoned discourse, if it makes you feel like a real man.

This is a case of death by stupidity.

Doing the right thing and noting that you are an industrial strength scumbag is a fact. Not merely an insult, but an honorable obligation for those of us who see you for what you are.

scumbag –noun; A person regarded as despicable. Synonyms: degenerate, deviant, dip, dirtbag, dirtball, pervert, pig, scum, scuzzbag, sleaze, sleazeball, slimebag, slimeball, slimebucket, slob, weirdo

Here’s a young woman, who went to college (already a strike against her in your conned play book who absolutely loathe “liberal education”), was working not one, but TWO jobs to pay her way and likely make ends meet and you call her stupid?

And I wonder how her family, especially her parents would feel that some anonymous and gutless POS “compassionate conservative” like yourself wants to score points on a meaningless political blog by profaning her memory.

A despicable person indeed…

Kamchak

September 27th, 2009
10:59 am

mike is responding as usual when his brain doesn’t like what he is seeing with blind rage and whacko rhetoric like:

“typical liberal hypocrites”
“hyper partisan intolerance”
“ad hominem attacks”
“mindless partisan hatred”
“hate-filled meaningless rant”
“narrow minded views”

typical tin foil crap.

fyt

Chris

September 27th, 2009
11:01 am

Amend last statement:

Providing insurance is much like handing banks money with the expectation they will use all of it for the people, they will do what business does, care for itself, profit and then with the remainder, help the people.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 27th, 2009
11:02 am

They want their country back Eric; they think the black man took. They ran one of the dumbest women ever to get the spotlight and they ran her with arrogance and oblivion; she knew she was dumb and has avoided the press all her life to this day. The Repubozotards are a hybrid of Palin and Katy Abram and no one excels at bring the stupid like they do. You get to see an epicenter of it here. 99% of their conversation is their fantasy about other commenters that they will never know or meet.

They’ll do anything to keep from focusing on issues and facts. One of them mutters to himself incessantly and types it here.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 27th, 2009
11:07 am

Chris says he can’t help that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about; health care is a hard concept for him. The CBO just reported “a robust public option will save $110 billion dollars for this nation’s economy.” Understanding that would require Chris to Google CBO, Dr. Doug Elmendgorf, and the Katy Abram tribe doesn’t do the google–they just spew as if they’re lobotomized. Like their Repubozo polling company now exposed for making it up–it’s their default position.

GoingBroke

September 27th, 2009
11:10 am

This is a case of being young and foolish.. We have all been there at some point. Over 600,000 americans die a year of heart disease. Look in any fast food line and all the people that need to be doing something besides sucking down that big burger, fries and finishing it off with a diet soda. Since people have no self control, we need big brother to step in and tell them they are being unhealthy.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 27th, 2009
11:18 am

On Tuesday, full blown Republican hypocrisy and whoring will be front and center on national TV. Chuck Schumer will introduce C1/C2 – Public Option Amendments and Jay Rockerfeller will introduce C1– his public option amendment.

The rebuttal will come from Republicans and Blue Dogs who have taken millions over their careers and hundreds of thousands this summer from insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies to kill any health reform, and particularly the public option. The public option has little chance of passing Senate Finance, but a much better chance on the floor and in Conference because the House is behind it.

What anyone who watches will see is full blown prostitutes defending their right to be hookers when the public has elected them to represent their best interests. The chamber of commerce, aka Dick Cheney with a checkbook, has attacked public option, because they want rates to increase and double the way they have the past ten years.

It is hard to tell who is more incompetent, the uN at stopping Iran from nuclear bomb capability or the Repubs and Blue Dogs on Senate Finance unabashedly hooking for their insurance johns.

Details of the Senate Finance Bunny Ranch

http://www.campaignmoney.org/threevotes

getalife

September 27th, 2009
11:18 am

Enter your comments here:

Very sad but does not effect the cons with no empathy gene lost in the madness of conservatism.

Trust me, when your body is telling you there is something wrong, go see a doctor.

Jackie

September 27th, 2009
11:19 am

The story of the young woman’s death is reflective of how many people, poor and middle-class, handle their personal health care.

They(we) tend to self-diagnose and self-describe our ailments because we are aware of the enormous costs associated with doctors visits for check-ups and other needed medical services.

If one would really look at the system currently in place, the biggest factor in rationing health care is cost. Monthly premiums are prohibitive in most cases and we are not always ill, therefore we rationalize the monthly cost with the actual usage.

We all think that insurance costs are not in line with the actual usage. A perfect example of this would be a fireman. Many complain about how fireman don’t seem to be busy during their personal observation resulting in the conclusion that they are overpaid for the services they perform until we have a fire and their services are desperately needed.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 27th, 2009
11:27 am

Going Broke it’s my information that a large number of people have metabolic syndrome and a gamut of cardiac and other diseases who are carefully watching their diet and the unhealthy fat content of their foods although Republican lobbyists and the Chamber of Commerce have perenially lobbied to make labelling foods to make it easier for people to control their diet ambiguous.

Have we been reading medical literature on different planets? It also occurs to me that their are a broad spectrum of diseases that aren’t diet and exercise impacted, and this is not to say that CV is not essential to enhancing your health.

Is your healthcare solution to close fast food joints or to have admission requirements for their patronage?

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
11:29 am

Imagine this, I disagree with the teachings of the Church concerning capital punishment.

So the point being made was that the Commandments say “Thou shalt not murder,” not “Thou shalt not kill,” which is a very important distinction, murder being premeditated and done with no redeeming qualities. Killing in itself could be done to prevent evil from happening, etc.

For instance, abortion is murder and wasting ragheads on the battlefield is killing, as a dead raghead will not be slaughtering anymore innocent women and children.

Following along?

So the Church’s position is that capital punishment is vengeance and does not prevent further evil from being done. The point was also made that the murderer is denied the Grace of God.

My first response is that 20 some years in the appellate court system is plenty of time to make your peace with your Creator and if you haven’t gotten around to it by then, considering that there is little else to do in a 8X10 cell 24 hours a day, then shame on you.

The second point I have, is that if one barbarian notices you being butchered in the name of the State, and decides against slaughtering the family he has been scheming, because he saw you getting whacked, then we should have broadcast your demise live on TV during American Idol, so that we could have changed the minds of many more future murderers.

There is evidence and statistics proving what I say.

And thirdly, I do not at all believe that most of the heinous crimes being committed are mistakes worthy of forgiveness. The Word of God condemns those who choose to carry out such despicable acts and we are charged with doing His Will, so let’s make ourselves useful and send the depraved along to their final judgment.

Other than that, good sermon :-)

Bruno

September 27th, 2009
11:31 am

Let’s talk some simple economics here. If the young lady in question had gone to any reasonably priced doctor, the exam, chest x-ray and meds would have come out to less than $200. If, on the other hand, she purchased health care “insurance”, she would likely be paying somewhere around $200 per month, every month. Personally, I’d rather pay the one-time charge.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
11:44 am

Look, mike, bookman does not have the option to disagree with democrat party talking points, it is his responsibility to dutifully pass them along to his readership.

Lay off the guy, he’s just doing what he has been instructed to do.’

geez

Jimmy62

September 27th, 2009
11:45 am

AmVet, I notice you say the family would be upset about me using her death as a political ploy. Isn’t that EXACTLY what you and Jay Bookman are doing?

As usual, hypocrisy thy name is liberal.

Bruno

September 27th, 2009
11:47 am

“Health insurance is not health care. This is what is wrong with the system – insurance should not be used to provide care – but to insure against monetary loss, in extreme cases.”

“So.. what Jay is saying.. We need the gov’t to make all our decisions for us.”

Glad to see a few clear-thinking people here.

“Single payer is the only way. Let’s get rid of the health insurance companies – they can build nursing homes.”

“Single payer health care would benefit almost everybody.”

You know, in some ways, a single-payer system makes sense by reducing all of the administrative overhead. Unfortunately, the type of system being proposed right now ( i.e. mandated purchase of health “insurance”) has none of the advantages of a single payer-system, and magnifies the disadvantages. As such, I can’t for the life of me figure out why ANYONE would support ObamaCare on either side of the political spectrum.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 27th, 2009
11:50 am

Andy why aren’t you preachin’ to that choir?

AmVet

September 27th, 2009
11:54 am

The United States is on the verge of becoming a minority Protestant country. More than one-quarter of American adults (28%) have left the faith in which they were raised.

Thankfully Christi-inanity is on the decline in this great nation. The facts are irrefutable and the future bodes well for reason and knowledge over fear and intimidation.

And this is in large part thanks to the irrational, evangelical loons and fraud poster boys like the repugnant WHITE bigot, who have proudly and publicly polluted their already hateful superstitions, mumbo jumbo and dogma to an even greater degree.

You’re doing a heckuva job, connies…

This is the best take on the greatest bullsh_tters ever…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o&feature=PlayList&p=32632A2A1A3B4F15&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1

And look! Isn’t that sweet.

The godly welcher has found a new buddy! Can you say desperate?

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 27th, 2009
11:58 am

I can’t for the life of me find any facts Bruno has summoned that have anything to do with delivering efficient, high quality health care to prevent disease and illness. In addition, the CBO, Dr. Doug Elmendorf concluded that a robust public option would save this country 110 billion bucks. I can’t see any reference in Bruno’s info to the fact that in the last several years, the cost of health care has risen 300% when compared with the growth of the economy nor can I see any reference to health care now being 16% of the GDP and rising.

The insurance company wants health insurance to be portrayed as providing care, when in fact they are denying care when it is the type care Bruno wants it to be used for.

Bruno also carefully avoids addressing the spectacle that will play out on Tuesday that I outlined where his friends, the insurance company whores will argue to defend whoring for their johns instead of health care that would save $110 billion. Funny how the CBO was used in every other word that the Blue Dogs and Repubozo hookers uttered last week, until the CBO dropped two reports:

1) Exchanges are worthless and would do nothing to prevent the exponential out of control impact of insurance status quo on the economy

2) Public option would save $100 billion.

Bruno and his hooker friends on Senate Finace avoid those issues like a vampire avoids sunrise.

Bruno also declines to address the 17000 who died when insurance was cut off last year, the issue of mass recission when patients get sick resulting in 430 Georgians and 14000 Americans losing coverage per day every day.

Bruno is loath to get to the impact of 2 and only 2 insurance choices in 94% of the USA.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 27th, 2009
12:06 pm

Gee, I wonder how I knew that if I pointed out how the Church agrees with one of the liberal’s and Queen Pinko’s most cherished positions, even though I don’t, that the libs would still attack the Church?

Could it be the foaming, irrational anger on full time display?

~~~~~

Mad Harris- I do not make it point to interrupt the sermon on Sunday to dispute the preacher. It’s not all about me, remember, I am a Conservative.

I have made a mental note to discuss this with him first chance I get.

Bruno

September 27th, 2009
12:10 pm

“I can’t see any reference in Bruno’s info to the fact that in the last several years, the cost of health care has risen 300% when compared with the growth of the economy nor can I see any reference to health care now being 16% of the GDP and rising.”

Here’s your reference:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/10/news/economy/healthcare_money_wasters/index.htm/

Slice it and dice it any way you want, but upwards of 50% of the money spent on health “care” in this country is wasted. The prime reason for this is that ANY third-party payment system engenders waste and fraud. The only solution to this is to return health “care” back to a pay-as-you-go system with insurance only being used to cover catastrophic loss.

“I outlined where his friends, the insurance company whores”

Insurance companies are no friends of mine and currently receive $0 from me. You and Obama want to change that though. The insurance companies have never found a friend better than Obama, or you.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 27th, 2009
12:10 pm

Atlanta’s most famous serial dog murderer will be attempting to try his luck at taming Wild Cats in a few hours.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 27th, 2009
12:14 pm

We had that argument on the last thread and I’ll be happy to paste my response to you when I get back. Nowhere did the CNN Mondy article use your 50% waste figure–that comes from the proctology area of Bruno’s amatuer medical practice.

As Doggone presciently commented, you are confusing health care with waste and equating it. The reforms go after the waste and fraud.

Also your party crippled medicare financially with their stupid prohibition on competitive bidding that the pharma hookers tried to preserve on Friday.

Senate Finance means little legislatively this time this bill, but it is a great place to watch the hookers defend the hooking.

AmVet

September 27th, 2009
12:17 pm

“Gee, I wonder how I knew that if I pointed out how the Church agrees with one of the liberal’s and Queen Pinko’s most cherished positions,…”

No, it just makes them – the church and the “religious” libs – look even more ridiculous in my view.

You far right wing nuts have no iron clad monopoly on ignorance and irrational mysticism – look at the “reverend” Wright among countless others on the left.

You’ve just deluded yourselves into thinking you do have an iron-clad monopoly on morality.

Pray for some redemption, but you’ll never receive any. Just rain…

Bruno

September 27th, 2009
12:25 pm

My response was held up for moderation, so let me try again:

“Nowhere did the CNN Mondy article use your 50% waste figure–that comes from the proctology area of Bruno’s amatuer medical practice.”

Here are the first two sentences from the article:

“Down the drain: $1.2 trillion. That’s half of the $2.2 trillion the United States spends on health care each year, according to the most recent data from accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers’ Health Research Institute.”

Apparently your math skills are lacking along with your critical thinking skills since 1.2/2.2 = 0.55 = 55%.

Bosch

September 27th, 2009
12:26 pm

RW,

Well, gee thanks! Episcopalians (at least the ones I know) consider wine as a food group, or at least a very handy way of getting your fruit servings.

Bruno

September 27th, 2009
12:27 pm

And the second part:

“As Doggone presciently commented, you are confusing health care with waste and equating it. The reforms go after the waste and fraud.”

The essence of this bill is to force everyone to purchase a government-approved health insurance plan. Because third-party payment is the prime driver of the waste and fraud, this bill will only exacerbate the problem. The outlandish prices being charged these days to receive medical care will only come down when people pay for their care out-of-pocket. Any reason you can’t grasp this simple concept?

getalife

September 27th, 2009
12:28 pm

Enter your comments here:

Lets see what Vick can do.

That hit on Tebow could have ended that career.

Ouch.

Bruno

September 27th, 2009
12:38 pm

AmVet–By any chance did you see “The Wrestler” starring Mickey Rourke? I watched it last night and it was awesome. He deserved the Best Actor award hands down, IMO.