Birthers aren’t conservative, they’re just nutty
It’s a cool, cloudy Saturday, with more rain in the forecast for the ATL, so let’s throw out a little more playful topic.
Can we all agree, or mostly agree, that the full-blown birthers are nuts?
They aren’t conservative, they aren’t Republican, and they don’t tell us anything about conservatives or Republicans in general. They’re just nuts, but they’re nuts in a very special, entertaining and almost endearing way.
Here, for example, are excerpts from a late-night “birthermercial” airing on a few stations around the country, compiled by Talking Points Memo:
Once we get consensus that these folks are a little crazy – once conservatives no longer have to worry about being tarnished by the craziness — maybe liberals and conservatives can sit back and enjoy the circus together. Because really, the mental contortions and conspiracy theories needed to hold the whole birther thing together can be a wonder to behold.
For example, you may recall that last summer, BirtherWorld was all atwitter at the discovery of a Kenyan birth certificate in the name of one Barack Hussein Obama. The news was greeted with hallelujahs. Finally, that Rat Usurper SIAP (”Suspected Illegal Alien President” for you uninitiated) was exposed!! Off with his head!! Redemption!!
All of a sudden, other dots began to be connected. For example, why was Hillary Clinton traveling to Kenya? Because she had been sent on a secret mission to bottle up the truth about the Kenyan birth certificate, that why!!
Sadly for the birthers, that Kenyan birth certificate was exposed as a transparent forgery within 48 hours. Such humiliation, such disappointment. How could the birther cause ever recover?
Well, fear not, for human imagination will always provide.
You see, according to “The Right Perspective,” the fake document “may have been leaked to lawyer Orly Taitz by a special Obama Administration team, who created the document to discredit the so-called “Birther” movement.”
That’s right, it wasn’t the birthers’ fault after all! In fact, Obama is so worried about the birthers that he dispatched a special team to discredit them!! And according the The Right Perspective, they even have proof for that assertion, in the form of “an overlooked Internet posting from the conspiracy website Repubx.”
In a post dated April 19, months before the discovery of the Kenyan birth certificate, someone at RepubX reported the following:
“Don’t know about 9/11 conspiracy, but do know from DC source that an Administration team is working on perfecting a forgery of the long-form birth certificate. They plan on presenting it in a a month or so. The source is FBI agent who has drinking buddy from University of Illinois now in the Administration. Its second hand, but the source is supposed to be solid.
They have already prepared the forgery with special paper and ink. The document was printed on a fully functional 1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto. Access was arranged by a trustee of the museum who is connected to a large Canadian banking/investment firm with major US interests.
The blanks in the forged form were filled in with an old Underwood Manual typewriter bought at an estate sale in Skokie, IL. The raised seal was the easiest piece to fake, since you can by a special order corporate seal from just about any online office supply store.
The only reason they haven’t rolled out the foregery yet is that it is “seasoning” under mild UV light and a back and forth rotation between between a humidifier and a sauna. Get ready….one to two months tops.”
You know, you can’t make stuff like that up. Except that somebody did.
Now, if you want to fall still deeper down the rabbit hole, go to that RepubX site, where you find the following conjecture about the alleged “DC source” quoted above:
“Hopefully his friend in the administration is not the young Federal witness they just found dead who was going to testify in the passport and credit card fraud case. This kinda smacks of the Whitewater investigations where folks who knew something damaging simply ended up dead. If it is I pray we do a better job of connecting crimes to the source than we did with the Clintons. Where’s Clint Eastwood when you need someone to protect a witness?”
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I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 26th, 2009
9:31 am
See what I mean, TaxPayer^^-
TaxPayer- I am assuming that you are a consumer of wild eyed liberal media paranoia about capitalist greed, as witnessed here at the bookman blog on a daily basis.
Can I at least work with this assumption or is there something about you that I am not aware of?
There are two kinds of people in America, those who worry about what other people have and those who worry about what other people don’t have.
The first group, known as democrats, wants it all for themselves, see Gore, al-, Freidman, Tom, et al, etc, etc, etc.
Would you care to dispute the facts that I have proof of in multitude archived bookman columns and legion pinko media blatherings?
And then there are Conservatives, the second group, which deem responsibility to mean not only to their own but to others, and need no government entity to move them to giving freely of themselves.
I would not expect you to know these things, living in your divisive world of political paranoia and grievances, seeing white sheets and pointy hats in every unfamiliar corner.
Me, I don’t have such illnesses to deal with.
I still can’t believe the Lord used the Urinal to move me to do His Will, what a truly awesome Savior I have.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 26th, 2009
9:36 am
For those who are unable to comprehend what a bookman column on “Birthers” has to do with 9:31, imagine Jay getting out his gallon of Birther Latex and his political brush and painting a whole group of good people to suit his ideological colors.
Back into your corners, y’all.
mike
September 26th, 2009
9:48 am
“They aren’t conservative, they aren’t Republican, and they don’t tell us anything about conservatives or Republicans in general”
Holy cow! Intellectual honesty from Jay Bookman! Kudos!!!
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 26th, 2009
9:49 am
Now, obviously, the AJC thinks the following is some heroic measure and that those who see it as reckless abandonment of fiscal responsibility are racists and/or birthers-
With the Sept. 30 end of the government’s fiscal year looming, the chamber voted 217-190 to keep most agencies at current budget levels through Oct. 31.
The bill includes provisions allowing the Postal Service to fill a budget hole by deferring $4 billion in payments due at the end of this month to an employee benefits trust fund. The agency requested the change to help it contend with the recession and declining use of the mail.-Urinal
I don’t use typewriters anymore but I do buy a new one every year just in case, hahahaha.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 26th, 2009
9:50 am
mike- Read the whole column, please.
Now, if you want to fall still deeper down the rabbit hole, go to that RepubX site,
Taxpayer
September 26th, 2009
9:51 am
Andy,
I find no need to start worrying about anything just yet since you still make no sense whatsoever to me. However, you can be certain that I will be forever vigilant.
By the way, there is one aspect regarding the poll that uncovered the more charitable nature of conservatives relative to liberals. Did those results factor in tax deductions. Oh wait, never mind. I think we already have that answer in the form of all the whining from the ‘conservatives’ when Obama mentioned reducing some of those tax deductions.
Regarding your movements at the ‘Urinal’, you might want to compare notes with Dave R. He also likes to discuss constitutionals.
Now, you have a nice, giving day, ya hear and try not to worry too much about what sort of tax write off your generosity might bring your way. Anyway, cheer up and let’s talk conspiracies. 8>0
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
9:52 am
Jay, presumably you meant to embed this youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/v/u_jZdkCFAUw
In Firefox, at least, we’re not seeing it.
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
9:53 am
From the video:
“Send a fax–for only THIRTY DOLLARS!”
I have to admit, it is tempting to ride some of this Birther gravy train. Presumably it’s pretty easy to part these fools from their money.
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
9:55 am
From the Birther video host’s webpage:
As part of Bill Keller Ministries, a 501(c)(3) organization, all donations to Liveprayer.Com are tax deductible.
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
9:56 am
And when you hear this or that online conservative claim that their lot are more likely to contribute to “charity” than those mean-spirited libruls, remember: in the eyes of the IRS, the “Bill Keller Ministries” are one such “charity.”
N-GA
September 26th, 2009
9:56 am
Jay,
At the risk of raising the ire of those whose brains are already sizzling with anger, I believe that the “birther” movement has the highest population of (closet) racists of any of the opposition groups. Now I expect those “birthers” who disagree with that opinion to begin yelling that most of them are not racists. I’ll answer them now by observing that I never said “most”, or used the term “majority” or any such descriptive to suggest that most are racists.
The other opposition groups may be sincere in their desire to have our government represent corporate America instead of the voters. They actually believe that if the government represents the People, then we will certainly become a communist nation with a socialist society.
With corporate America in the driver’s seat, we need not worry about corporate oversight, pollution control, global warming, healthcare, etc. Our government can focus on the things that matter most: war, profits, wealth, profits, greed, profits, and widening the gap between the haves and the have-nots.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 26th, 2009
10:05 am
By the way, there is one aspect regarding the poll that uncovered the more charitable nature of conservatives relative to liberals. Did those results factor in tax deductions. Oh wait, never mind. I think we already have that answer in the form of all the whining from the ‘conservatives’ when Obama mentioned reducing some of those tax deductions.
Anybody else notice that the liberals have all of the tax deductions memorized even though taxes are “patriotic?”
And let’s check this out, now that the subject has been broached- Let’s say that your annual charitable givings are around $20,000 or so, which means you are not a leading democrat politician and that you probably file your taxes. For this patriotic duty, you can expect the IRS to return to you a sum of about $400 for your efforts.
That leaves what, $19,600?
Am I missing something here?
Jay
September 26th, 2009
10:09 am
Thanks, SfD. Fixed now
N-GA
September 26th, 2009
10:13 am
Most liberals I know donate something more valuable (and irreplaceable) than money….their time. We have only so much time, and then it’s gone. Conservatives would rather donate money, and spend their time on the golf course, or playing ALTA.
The IRS doesn’t give a tax deduction for the time you donate to Habitat for Humanity, soup kitchens, etc. Even in the Middle Age, wealthy people would pay poor people to perform their penance. They would purchase “indulgences” from the Catholic Church. The rich funded the building of churches, the poor actually built them!
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
10:15 am
Presumably Bill Keller picks up his hair-care product at the same joint that caters to the House Minority Leader’s skin care.
Taxpayer
September 26th, 2009
10:17 am
The bill includes provisions allowing the Postal Service to fill a budget hole by deferring $4 billion in payments due at the end of this month to an employee benefits trust fund.
I just loves me some talk about pension plans. I gets me an update (with a one year time lag) on my pension plan every year. So far so good. The last thing that I would want right now though is for the PBGC to take it over. I’m too young. The PBGC’s maximum monthly guarantee would leave me short-changed for several more years.
RW-(the original)
September 26th, 2009
10:19 am
Enter your comments here–
Remember when Jay B was going to ban anybody that brought up the birthplace issue? You’ll have to go back past about forty times he brought it up himself but it’s back there somewhere and he still gets to post here.
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After all the things we read here about evil right wingers voices that might set a climate for violence why aren’t we reading about the Pittsburgh riots being traceable back to that Macy’s balloon sometimes labeled as Michael Moore?
Assume for the sake of argument that violent rhetoric does beget violence. By this logic, shouldn’t we blame Michael Moore’s vitriolic indictments of investment banks for the brick that was hurled through a PNC Bank window yesterday? And if government aids and abets the evil that is capitalism, aren’t Moore’s words responsible for the bricks that were hurled at riot police in Pittsburgh?
After-Birthers Movement
September 26th, 2009
10:23 am
AS CHAIRMAM OF THE AMERICAN AFTER-BIRTHERS MOVEMENT:
WE DEMAND THAT CONGRESS SUPEONA “PRESIDENT” BARRACK HOOSAIN OBAMA AND DEMAND THAT HE PRODUCE HIS PLACENTA.
Taxpayer
September 26th, 2009
10:24 am
Anybody else notice that the liberals have all of the tax deductions memorized even though taxes are “patriotic?”
That’s because us so-called ‘liberals’ actually try to pay our correct amount of taxes. Further, even if some folks have trouble figuring out the correct amount and get called out for it, at least they tried and they did pay and they did not deliberately conceal their income. Of course, that would be in stark contrast to so many UBS customers, for example (some of that “I got mine” crowd, no doubt), whom I look forward to hearing more about in the near future. What about you, Andy.
Soothsayer
September 26th, 2009
10:25 am
Take this true/false test.
Cholesterol is a poison and I should try to reduce it at all costs.
If I lower my cholesterol, I will live longer.
Having “high” cholesterol means I will die younger.
My Doctor does not have any monetary incentive to prescribe statin drugs to me.
Eating foods that contain cholesterol will raise my cholesterol level.
Eating foods that contain animal fat will raise my cholesterol level.
“High” cholesterol is associated with above-average intelligence.
Each person’s cholesterol level is unique to that individual.
The scientific foundation on which the “lipid hypothesis” and the prescribing of statins is irrefutable and rock solid.
Margarine is better for me than is butter.
Atherosclerosis is a calcification of the artery wall and is the body’s response to injury to the artery wall caused by chemical insult from trans fats contained in hydrogenated oils.
Animal fats should be avoided at all cost.
There will likely not be an epidemic of congestive heart failure when the people taking statins reach old age.
I know all about the Framingham Study. I know what the lipid hypothesis is.
The so-called “Food Pyramid” with its emphasis on grains and grain products has nothing whatsoever to do with the epidemic of diabetes in this country.
High fructose corn syrup is a natural substance and is no different than sugar and has nothing to do whatsoever with the epidemic of obesity in this country.
Statin drugs are completely safe or my Doctor would not prescribe them to me.
Having “high” cholesterol means that I am much more likely to develop heart disease.
Hydrogenated vegetable oils are better for me than animal grease or butter.
Here http://www.health-heart.org and here http://www.westonaprice.org are couple of good places to look for the answers.
mike
September 26th, 2009
10:29 am
stands for decibels –
Read the book “Who Really Cares” which is by the fellow who did the study. (BTW: he too is a liberal and said that he was surprised and disappointed by what he found.)
He is quite clear that even if you only take that charitable giving to churches that could specifically tracked to philanthropy outside the church, that the disparity is still strong.
Folks like the birther fellow you call out represent a distinct minority of churches. I can speak for my church, which is quite large. The overriding message of the church is that it is the highest form of worship to minister to the needy and helpless. I have seen and participated in many initiatives through the church that have had a tremendous impact on the needy, from repairing roofs of poor folks in West End after the tornado a few years back, to collecting and distributing survival essentials for destitute folks in South America.
If your church is not engaging in these activities, you might want to find another church. If you don’t go to church, you might want to go for a day to see what people are saying and doing. It’s not talking about Obama’s birth certificate.
Taxpayer
September 26th, 2009
10:32 am
The rich funded the building of churches, the poor actually built them!
But, think of all the jobs they created.
mike
September 26th, 2009
10:35 am
sfb –
One more point. I do think that the church plays a role in that disparity in charitable contributions in both time and money.
It’s not that the church goers are any more moral or caring than those who don’t. It is that most churches are geared towards charity and provide a comfortable and consistent mechanism for church goers to participate in that. The church organizes and promotes these activities which makes it easy for church goers to donate time and money, particularly if you are doing these things with your friends. More people in red states attend church and hence, the numbers look better for those states.
Taxpayer
September 26th, 2009
10:35 am
Soothsayer,
You better not be trying to bad mouth Crisco. Just lettin’ you know. That’s the sort of talk that set off many of feud.
Taxpayer
September 26th, 2009
10:36 am
I wonder if Jay really was tryin’ to get folks to lighten up along the lines of a non-partisan birther bashin.
mike
September 26th, 2009
10:42 am
Taxpayer –
“I wonder if Jay really was tryin’ to get folks to lighten up along the lines of a non-partisan birther bashin.”
If this is the way he wants to couch it, I am ready to join in. The birthers are nuts just like the truthers are.
SOUTHERN ATL
September 26th, 2009
10:52 am
Jay,
I just don’t understand why the REPUBLICANS would get Orly Taitz to do their underground dirty work. She is a RUSSIAN and her trickery seems so un-American…Nobody sums up the whole Republican movement more then Stephen Colbert….got to love him!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/25/blackwashing-colbert-unve_n_299601.html
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 26th, 2009
11:00 am
That’s because us so-called ‘liberals’ actually try to pay our correct amount of taxes.
Hardee, har, har, it was just a random coincidence! that every Obozo democrat cabinet or other governmental nominee forgot to file taxes the last decade or so of their lives, wasn’t it?
Brad Steel
September 26th, 2009
11:05 am
mike,
Thanks for your solipsistic preaching and your fine examples of your moral superiority and omniscience.
Now, do something for us all, go fart in your hand and then smell it.
BS
Soothsayer
September 26th, 2009
11:09 am
Dangers of Statin Drugs: What You Haven’t Been Told About Popular Cholesterol-Lowering Medicines
Taxpayer
September 26th, 2009
11:14 am
Hardee, har, har, it was just a random coincidence! that every Obozo democrat cabinet or other governmental nominee forgot to file taxes the last decade or so of their lives, wasn’t it?
Would you mind sticking your head up out of that gopher, er, rabbit, hole so I can bop it.
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
11:22 am
mike, to your points and questions raised @ 10.29 & 10.35 — I know a fair amount about church activities, given that I not only belong to a church but I had a close family member (who had been a church administrator and who had a good eye for any red flags) review its budget before I joined, to ensure there wasn’t anything fishy going on.
Nowhere in my posts here, or elsewhere, have I asserted that it is wrong for the the federal government to provide a tax break for such contributions. Indeed, many such religious institutions provide invaluable services (disaster relief being among the most obvious).
However, I think it is fair to ask those who are quick to hype the polling you’ve cited, just how charitable that giving really is. And I write this as someone whose own contributions are also, of course, tax deductible. My place of worship does its share of good work for the local and greater community, but a big honkin’ chunk of the dollars, of course, go to ordinary operations and the modest salaries paid to the staffers. And the church is a resource for my family and myself.
Just trying to see this clearly, and not sugar coating it, is all.
jconservative
September 26th, 2009
11:23 am
Wait to you see Sarah Palin’s birth certificate!
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
11:25 am
every Obozo democrat cabinet or other governmental nominee forgot to file taxes
And by “every”, of course, Whiner means some teensy percentage of the massive hiring done at the start of any new Administration, a percentage probably akin to what one would find of any halfway decent vetting process of a random group of Americans.
That we had not heard of similar tales in previous Administrations might just be good luck, or (as I tend to suspect) the vetting wasn’t all that rigorous.
then again, sure. Maybe the current administration is EXTREE EVIL.
getalife
September 26th, 2009
11:30 am
Enter your comments here :
Like truthers, they just can’t let it go.
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
11:30 am
The birthers are nuts just like the truthers are.
Indeed, that’s why the birthers are called, well, “birthers.” (as opposed to “The Certifiable” or suchlike.)
There were people on the left who wanted very much to draw a parallel between these nutters on the right, and the nuttiest conspiracy theorists on the left. I like to think I was among the first to promote this usage, at the time I used it for the first time I might’ve even thought I came up with it on my own, but I think mostly it was a matter of bunch of great minds (ok, stupid drones on the InterWebs) thinking alike.
Taxpayer
September 26th, 2009
11:40 am
Well. I just don’t personally see the need to continue this issue regarding the birth certificate. The evidence, or lack thereof, clearly proves that Obama has no birth certificate. Therefore, the real question to be asked should be “Was Obama born?” So, join me, fellow “hatchers” in my campaign to get to the yolk of this matter.
catlady
September 26th, 2009
11:52 am
To quote the title of a children’s book: Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs.
We all know there are a LOT of nuts around. We’ve got a lot of folks with a chip on their shoulders. The chip is from those nuts.
getalife
September 26th, 2009
12:02 pm
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stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
12:03 pm
The text stays in this box when refreshed.
The text that refreshes.
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
12:06 pm
or…
The clause that refreshes.
getalife
September 26th, 2009
12:10 pm
Enter your comments here:
At least they are working on the problem.
RW-(the original)
September 26th, 2009
12:10 pm
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Perhaps the largest group of like minded nutjobs are the Halliburtoners.
DoggoneGA
September 26th, 2009
12:11 pm
“That we had not heard of similar tales in previous Administrations might just be good luck, or (as I tend to suspect) the vetting wasn’t all that rigorous”
Or it just flat wasn’t reported.
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2009
12:25 pm
Perhaps the largest group of like minded nutjobs are the Halliburtoners.
hmm. wondering–How would you classify a Halliburtoner?
I only ask because I was wondering how many Americans could even correctly answer the question, “Which former Vice President was once CEO of Halliburton?”, let alone construct conspiracy theories about that connection playing a role in decisions made by the Bush Administration.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 26th, 2009
12:33 pm
Ah jist wonders why them birther commercials were bought in markets in the South? Could it be the South has the biggest epicenter of poorly educated white hicks? They seem to have flocked here.
Another day and another Repub Congressman federally indicted. Congrats Cong. Doolittle from California. You make us proud. You’re taking back America one federal cell block at a time. Enjoy your cube.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 26th, 2009
12:34 pm
Which former VP is so brave he dodged the draft 6 times and hunts by shooting at de-winged turkeys and hits old men in the face?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 26th, 2009
12:41 pm
I don’t know, I believe the BlackWaters are right up there with the Halliburtoners, with Obozo being chief nutjob for each both of these little kults, except that now BlackWater rides shotgun for Obozo, to keep his little ass safe.
That’s gotta be worth bonus points, don’t it?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 26th, 2009
12:42 pm
each or both, either way works for me, geez.
RW-(the original)
September 26th, 2009
12:43 pm
Enter your comments here–
sfb,
I love the way moonbats pretend history doesn’t exist. It’s one of your cuter qualities.
I’m going to put in a few miles before the next round of breathless weather people tell me to build an ark.
Later!