Secret Iranian nuke facility revealed; showdown may loom

From the Associated Press:

President Barack Obama, flanked by French President Nicolas Sarkozy and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, warn of a push for stern new sanctions against Iran after discovery of a secret nuclear research facility. (AP photo)

President Barack Obama, flanked by French President Nicolas Sarkozy and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, warn of a push for stern new sanctions against Iran after discovery of a secret nuclear research facility. (AP photo)

VIENNA – Iran has revealed the existence of a secret uranium-enrichment plant, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Friday, a development that could heighten fears about Tehran’s ability to produce a nuclear weapon and escalate its diplomatic confrontation with the West.

President Barack Obama and the leaders of France and Britain demanded Friday that Iran fully disclose its nuclear ambitions “or be held accountable” to an impatient world community. They threatened new sanctions after the disclosure of a secret Iranian nuclear facility.

“Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follows,” Obama said in the opening moments of the G-20 economic summit….

Two officials told the AP that Iran revealed the existence of the second plant in a letter sent Monday to International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei.

IAEA spokesman Marc Vidricaire confirmed receipt of the letter, saying the agency was informed “that a new pilot fuel enrichment plant is under construction.” The letter said that the plant would not enrich uranium beyond the 5 percent level suitable for civilian energy production. That would be substantially below the threshold of 90 percent or more needed for a weapon.”

Iranian leaders reportedly revealed existence of the plant only after learning that Western intelligence was onto them.  The discovery of such blatant cheating by Iran may force countries such as Russia and China to finally show their hand regarding sanctions against Iran. And given the Iranian government’s precarious grip on power, the power of those sanctions to force change may never be greater.

215 comments Add your comment

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2009
11:09 am

Enter your comments here—-please repair this

We knew about this before the UN meeting but our “leader” decided to wait until he got to Pittsburgh to mention it.

Truth

September 25th, 2009
11:12 am

Something must be done. I am not saying they need to be attacked because I am not an expert on the issue, but diplimacy isn’t working.

Zip

September 25th, 2009
11:18 am

Didn’t we learn anything from our dealings with the No Koreans? And Supreme Leader is just shocked! How dare they lie!

joe matarotz

September 25th, 2009
11:23 am

Time for Obama to appoint an Iranian-Nuclear-Weapons Czar. Yeah, that’s the ticket!

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
11:25 am

I love the fact that we knew about it before they admitted to it….
means somebody is on the ball.

Diplomacy isn’t working? I don’t know…..we are being diplomatic,
we have learned the truth, the world is behind us and nobody has been blown up yet. Sounds like it is working.

Truth

September 25th, 2009
11:27 am

They continue to build. The object of diplomacy was to stop them from building.

godless heathen

September 25th, 2009
11:27 am

More Sanctions! That has them quaking in their boots.

But I don’t understand the concern. If we have nukes, why can’t they? Besides, when Obama gets rid of ours, they will destroy theirs, because Obama is going to ask them nicely.

RollerGirl

September 25th, 2009
11:28 am

Bookman must be as naive as B.Hussein believes the rest of us to be. China and Russia won’t have to support sanctions, there is always an out..thats why our Unilateralism , now abandoned, was important ..it allowed us to act to get our way, even when otherswere dead set against helping and indeed, profiting from status quo(Russia is BUILDING their nuclear infrastucture in Iran). Netanyahu, do your business…I hope before you leave office, Ahmedinijad is dead And the Bashir site is spewing thick black smoke from a cratered centrifuge bunker. If carter had had the guts and the wisdom to assassinate Khomeini in Paris in exile, none of this would ever have been necessary. Jimmy Carter was a loser who’s failures continue to reverberate.

getalife

September 25th, 2009
11:31 am

This is why it is treason to out an undercover CIA agent for Iranian nukes but they still caught it .

Nice work.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
11:31 am

Seems we’ve been tracking this location for years…..

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
11:32 am

Good job by our intelligence community!

How about a round of applause?

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
11:33 am

godless –

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty

when you’re scrolling and get to the H’s … slow down

Dave R.

September 25th, 2009
11:33 am

This is the kind of Hope & Change we get when the leader of the free world pees in his pants. More sanctions that haven’t worked.

Pokey

September 25th, 2009
11:33 am

What???!!! No way!

I am sure the Iranians are afraid of BHO, et al.

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
11:33 am

Mrs. G -

(golf clap)

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
11:33 am

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
11:34 am

UsinUK

NYT says Obama was briefed on this after elecetion so the previous administration knew about it as well…..

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
11:35 am

getalife –

“This is why it is treason to out an undercover CIA agent for Iranian nukes but they still caught it”

well said!

Dave R.

September 25th, 2009
11:36 am

If we have been tracking this location for years, Mrs. G., wouldn’t that have been Bush’s intelligence community? You know, the one that wasn’t afraid of government-sponsored witch hunts exposing everything they did and how they did them?

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
11:36 am

Mrs. G –

“NYT says Obama was briefed on this after elecetion so the previous administration knew about it as well…..”

shocked … gambling … blahblahblah

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2009
11:38 am

You know, the one that wasn’t afraid of government-sponsored witch hunts exposing everything they did and how they did them?

It’s not very nice to talk about Dick Cheney like that.

AmVet

September 25th, 2009
11:43 am

Personally I’m a big fan of the Reverse Cheney Doctrine:

If there’s a 1% chance that that the neo-conned are attempting to regain power, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response. It’s not about our analysis … It’s about our response.

GEORGE AMERICAN

September 25th, 2009
11:44 am

BOTH PLANTS COULD BE EASILY TAKEN OUT WITH A COUPLE OF WELL PLACED DAISY CUTTER – PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

BUT WHY DO WE CARE WHAT FRANCE THINKS – THOSE ANTIE-AMERICAN SURRENDER MONKEYS!!!

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
11:45 am

george – you forgot “cheese-eating”!!!

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2009
11:46 am

George @ 11.44, who is this “Daisy” you speak of, and how would you propose to weaponize her flatulence?

jconservative

September 25th, 2009
11:48 am

RW-(the original)

“We knew about this before the UN meeting but our “leader” decided to wait until he got to Pittsburgh to mention it.”

If you are interested in the facts. We new about it last fall. Bush’s NSC people briefed Obama just after the election.

There is an advantage gained when you know something about the other side that they do not know you know. The Iranians only found out a few days ago that we (US, UK, Fr & Ger) had been onto them for a year. That is why they wrote their “confessional” letter to the IAEA.

Nothing is Free

September 25th, 2009
11:49 am

AMvet

**If there’s a 1% chance that that the neo-conned are attempting to regain pow**

Do you have any idea about what is going to happen to the democrats in Congress in 2010? Obama can’t even get them to act like a majority because they are so terrified of losing their jobs. They should be very worried. Other than others like you: the unthinking far left, no one supports what they are trying to do.

Bye, bye, dims.

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
11:49 am

(shouldn’t have brought up cheese … skipped lunch and starving … )

jconservative

September 25th, 2009
11:50 am

GEORGE AMERICAN – When we went into Afghanistan the French we the first on the ground after the US.

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
11:51 am

“That is why they wrote their “confessional” letter to the IAEA.”

dear iaea …

I never thought I’d write a letter like this …

jconservative

September 25th, 2009
11:53 am

RollerGirl September 25th, 2009 11:28 am
“..thats why our Unilateralism , now abandoned, was important…”

What unilateralism? Give us an example.

Nothing is Free

September 25th, 2009
11:54 am

USinUK

*shocked …**

You shouldn’t be. We had a real CIA back then. Obama will learn nothing other than what Bush’s administration was able to find out.

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
11:56 am

NiF –

“We had a real CIA back then”

that’s right … so it was important that Cheney out them (especially the ones working on Iran and their nuclear capabilities) for being the real CIA that they were … or something like that …

mike

September 25th, 2009
11:57 am

The idea that China and Russia are going to back serious sanction is naive.

The question is what do we do when they don’t.

AmVet

September 25th, 2009
11:57 am

Antie?

I believe you mean the French are Auntie American Surrender Monkeys, Georgie.

You know, married to Uncle American Surrender Monkeys.

Nothing, I agree that the chances for another epic, record-breaking neo-con slaughterfest – which would make three in a row – are not that good.

With a lot of hard work and huge piles of dirty money your beloved fraud conservatives loss rate won’t yet again be an almost unimaginable 94%.

OUCH!!!

That’s gotta hurt.

I’m guessing the Republidolts will lose around 65 – 80% of all contested national seats from sea to shining sea in 2010.

Which is still great news for the nation.

And immense pleasure for the rest of us…

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2009
11:58 am

I never thought I’d write a letter like this …

Y’know, if you’re fighting hunger pangs, the visual of Ahmadinejad penning a Penthouse Forum letter oughta do the trick.

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
11:59 am

dB –

sadly, no … I’ve gone past the point of no return … even picturing Dick Cheney writing a letter like that doesn’t put me off my feed at the moment …

oh … waitaminnit … I may have spoken too soon …

Nothing is Free

September 25th, 2009
11:59 am

USinUK

Cheney outed them? Hmmm. but what about the trials that the Obama crew are planning. Do you have a problem with any of that?

BTW, I left you an answer to the climate change post downstairs. Better stay away from it. Pretty logical stuff. You are not going to like it at all.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:01 pm

isn’t Dick Cheney still evil?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 25th, 2009
12:01 pm

Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
11:31 am

“Seems we’ve been tracking this location for years…..”; or, more appropriately, President Bush and Vice President Cheney have been tracking it for years. G-d bless you President Bush, you kept us safe in a dangerous world.

The other truth to jump forth from this episode is equally clear, now we know why experienced, smart leaders, such as President Bush and Vice President Cheney, would not offer to meet “without preconditions” with a bunch of animals like the leaders of Iran. Our dufus, Obumbler, did, however.

Finally, G-d bless Netanyahu for speaking a truth that the world had to hear even though our callow, inexperienced community organizer abdicated our world authority. I guess, at least when it come to freedom and moral clarity, the leader of Yisrael, rather than the POTUS, is the leader of the free world. Change we can’t believe happened. Could we have put a dumber, more ignorant smuck into the Whitehouse than its current resident?

Palin/Liz Cheney 2012 – before its too late.

jconservative

September 25th, 2009
12:02 pm

USinUK
“dear iaea …
I never thought I’d write a letter like this …”

You got it just about right.
————-
Mrs. Godzilla – Give a tip of the hat the intelligence services of UK, Fr & Ger. Since they have people on the ground they probably had more to do with uncovering the Qom facility than we did.

mike

September 25th, 2009
12:02 pm

LOL. Looks like old George American has nothing to say.

Look, bro. Spare us the shouting in bolded caps and just write “Conservatives are bad”. That’s all your pathetic rhetorical skills are capable of.

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
12:04 pm

mike –

(pssst … george american … eeees joke … not to take seriously … )

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
12:05 pm

NiF –

“Do you have a problem with any of that?”

yes. if they broke the law, yes, I most definitely have a problem with that. as should anyone who supposedly loves their country and supports their troops.

Doggone/GA

September 25th, 2009
12:06 pm

“not to take seriously …”

Awhhh…give Mikey a break. He can’t help it. His Pavolvian resonse just TAKES OVER and he sends that complaint before he can stop himself. He just can’t help it.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
12:11 pm

So how’s that “Hope and Change” been working out for you guys?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:11 pm

Byll….

Preconditions? what the hell does that have to do with anything?

looks to me that keeping it under wraps in order to drop it on the international stage was a brilliant idea.

marvelous timing

good for the inteligence community from both administrations and France and the UK and everybody else!

TW

September 25th, 2009
12:13 pm

Early Christmas for the right -

“A Fulton County Superior Court judge this morning cancelled a temporary restraining order that had stopped Grady hospital from closing its outpatient dialysis clinic.”

Be more humane to gas them, wouldn’t it?

Ah, but not as cheap…

The rightwing was better back when they thought Jesus was cool….

AmVet

September 25th, 2009
12:14 pm

(pssst … george american … eeees joke … not to take seriously … )

What a hoot, USinUK,

Reminds me of the slap the Jap humor prevalent in the 80s.

Not to be confused with Slap Funk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AfJkD8mh8

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:15 pm

Say what

actually the Hope and Change are working out quite well for me.

I really wish it does for you too.

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2009
12:15 pm

Enter your comments here–jconservative,

I think you missed the point but why doesn’t that surprise me? The point is that since all parties knew before the UN speeches began it might have been a more meaningful place for BO to do his toothless tongue lashing.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
12:16 pm

So jump right in, TW, and take your money to keep it open. After all, money is always availble for unprofitable operations, right?

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
12:16 pm

NiF –

this will be my only post on the issue from downstairs – regarding your question of whether or not temperatures are rising, I recommend you look on this link:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

I’m not surprised you remember the question of cooling in the 50s and 60s when you look at the chart, there was a leveling off – however, if you look at the overall trend (particularly in the last 40 years), you can’t deny that the earth is warming.

as for the ozone, just because you don’t read about it now, doesn’t mean it’s not an issue. yes, the hole appears and disappears, but the overall thinning of the stratosphere is of concern because of what it could mean for increased incidents of skin cancer and the catastrophic effects it could have on crops.

and, now, I’m really done on this issue.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
12:17 pm

Working out well for you? So how much bailing out have you received, Mrs. Godzilla?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:17 pm

RW

but it also might NOT have been a more meaningful place……

You guess is as good as anyones though.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:18 pm

Say what

None? You?

GEORGE AMERICAN

September 25th, 2009
12:20 pm

mike,
YOU SIMPLETON!!! GEORGE AMERICAN CAN SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS. YOU GO AHEAD A SNIVEL ABOUT GEORGE AMERICAN’S POWERFUL CONSERVATIVE VOICE, IF YOU WANT. CAUSE YOU ARE TOO WEAK TO HAVE SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT TO SAY!!!

IT’S A FREE COUNTRY, A LEAST UNTIL THE JACKET-BOOT OBOZO FASCISTS KICK IN YOU DOOR AND TAKE YOUR MONEY AND GUNS. SO SNIVELING WHILE YOU CAN, mike!!!!

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
12:21 pm

I don’t accept handouts, MG. It’s also not a prerequisite for my vote. You know, sort of a “I’m a capitalist and will stand on my own two feet” mentality. I’m not very impressed with the liberal “from the cradle to the grave” style of government

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 25th, 2009
12:22 pm

Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
12:11 pm

“Preconditions? what the hell does that have to do with anything?”

Surely, you jest. The world has seen our president make overtures “without precondition” to a most evil regime. He either did that not knowing about the report or with full knowledge. Neither smart nor experienced enough to know how to deal with thugs, or not in command of the facts when he makes an initiative, either way , on the world stage he looks like a stooge, duped by Iran’s leadership.

Add this to undercutting (which see Polles and Czechs) or abandoning (which see Yisrael) in a quixotic quest to prove to the world that he is not Bush and to be loved by all. Well, I have news for Obama, I know President Bush, and Obama is no President Bush. Obama is not of the caliber sufficient to earn the right to shovel President Bush’s dog’s manure.

The world see Obama as a harmless, silly man – a useful fool to its interests – and they love him for that.

There was nothing brilliant about the current scrambling that Obama undertakes, just another show of incompetence and weakness to the world.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
12:22 pm

Sanctions have not worked, because Russia and France will continue to sell nuclear bomb precursor materials to Iran and possibly North Korea behind our backs. Sanctions will not work. The Sanctions of course do not impact the elite people running the Iran government, and certainly not the byzantine cleric structure. Bush and Condi operated in hibernation mode and were ignored by Iran for 8 years, and now they will have nuclear bomb delivery capability to anywhere in the Mideast and Europe soon if not now.

Better consider Plan “B” whatever that is.

godless heathen

September 25th, 2009
12:23 pm

USinUK,

Send that link to Imanutjob. He must have forgotten about it.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
12:24 pm

Yo Repubozos Wake up–

Iran has been a certainty to have nuclear bomb capability well before Bush’s 2nd term. And you all didn’t do jack squat effing anything.

And that was because?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:25 pm

Say What

Me neither! Never did.

Still the hope and change is working quite well for me.

AmVet

September 25th, 2009
12:26 pm

Would that be the irrelevant UN? Or the relevant one?

Keeping up with conned double speak is not that easy, but can be mastered over time.

Just remember that black is white, war is peace, up is down and lies are truth.

And also to always replace the word conservative with corporate.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:26 pm

Now, there, there Byll….

I’m sure you’ll get the chance to blow something up sometime.

Is that your best shot?

September 25th, 2009
12:28 pm

Public Option’s Doing Swell referes to “Repubozos”. That’s the best you got? What are you, a third grader? Get of you mommy’s computer.

Slick

September 25th, 2009
12:28 pm

GEORGE AMERICAN

This may come as a shock to you…but “What France Thinks” is a lot more important than what YOU think!

If you think that an attack on Iran’s facilities would go unanswered…you are certainly uninformed if not completely stupid!

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
12:29 pm

MG said “never did”. Riiiiiigggggghhhhhhhttttt.

Kumbaya, MG, Kumbaya………..

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:29 pm

AmVet

great catch.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 25th, 2009
12:30 pm

Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
12:26 pm

I don’t want to blow something up. I just want America to have someone cut from a better cloth than the keystone cops in the Whitehouse. I want a President with moral clarity and at least enough character to quick smoking rather than smoking in the oval office.

In our current president we have far less than this nation dweserves.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
12:30 pm

AmVet said to “always replace the word conservative with corporate.” Be glad to if you will also always replace the word liberal with socialist.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 25th, 2009
12:31 pm

Enter your comments here

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
12:33 pm

Bolton was ensconsed at the UN unconfirmed by the Senate on a recess appointment from 2005-2006 and resigned when the Senate wouldn’t confirm him. He was planted there by Bush for years and he didn’t do effing anything at all to stop Iran. He was followed by Zalmay Khalilzad who changed nothing.

Further Bush chose for 8 years not to even make the UN Ambassador a cabinet level position, and he refused to have any discussions with Iran. Whatever pre-conditions Bush communicated via back channels, Iran communicated a very consistent one to Bush. They gave him the finger, and burned his effigy in the streets every day.

Intelligence showed that at least 2/3 of the under 20 generation in Iran was and is favorably disposed towards the US and Bush ignored them.

Plan B doesn’t include kvetching on Bookman’s blog–it will solve nothing.

Dudley Doright

September 25th, 2009
12:33 pm

USinUK

Thought your last word on global warming was in the previous blog but you’re at it again. Still predicting the end of mankind?

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
12:34 pm

godless –

don’t say nuts … I told you, I’m staaaaarving, here!

;-)

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
12:35 pm

“Still predicting the end of mankind?”

yep. next Tuesday … no, waitaminnit, I’ve got big plans for next weekend, so make it Tuesday week.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:35 pm

Say What

Don’t be afraid. If you think I’m a liar man up and say it.

But. I’m not.

Years ago as a young divorced mother, financially eligible for food stamps I did not apply. I worked harder.

Don’t have an FHA mortgage.

Didn’t take advantage of cash for clunkers.

Pay my health care premiums.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
12:36 pm

Riiigggghhhhttt, Iran started their nuclear program under Bush. What’s next, global warming started under Bush as well? Guess you actually believe Al Gore invented the internet.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2009
12:37 pm

Now, there, there Byll….

I’m sure you’ll get the chance to blow something up sometime.

Like this, for example.

(yes, I went there.)

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
12:38 pm

MG, you may not be paying health care premiums much longer if Obamacare comes to pass. You’ll get that wonderful government controlled solution. Just take your pill and drink the koolaid. After all, they have successfully run Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Cash for clunkers and many many more well-managed programs.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
12:38 pm

What! And, they probably got it all done in just nine months. Amazing. Where was Bush during all this secretive work and why didn’t McCain insist that we bomb them off the face of the earth. Those Republicans just cannot do anything correctly.

GEORGE AMERICAN

September 25th, 2009
12:39 pm

IRAN, BRING IT ON!!!

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR WEAK, SILLY LITTLE PRESIDENT O-PEASER AND HIS BAND OF FAIRY STOOGES (LIKE BARN-DOOR FRANK AND NANCY POSLEEZEY), AMERICAN HAS THE TOUGHEST AND MOST RUGGED WARRIORS IN THE WORLD!!!

AFTER WE BLOW UP YOUR SECRET BOMB PLANTS, WE WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY AND OIL!!!

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:39 pm

Byll,

Glad you don’t want to blow something up. You get 2 points.

I happen to have a President with moral clarity.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
12:40 pm

Wyld Byll needs a hug. Where’s @@ when we really need her the most.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
12:41 pm

MG, oh yeah, the govt run Post Office is billions in the hole. Another profitable govt run venture.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
12:41 pm

Anybody who floated an attack on Iran’s facilities is bringing the stupid writ large.

If anyone were in a position to know them, it’s Israel since we have next to no CIA presence in Iran. We’re depending on the Mossad and Shin Bet for almost all of our intelligence in Iran, with some help from a panoply of other countries. Iran is 1/5 the size of the US or roughly the size of the combined Western US. Their nuclear materials can be put into a space smaller than Jerry Jones’ new Mitsubishi scoreboard that the Sunday Football whizkids called Sony. So they could easily launch nuclear strikes that would put the middle east and Europe into the Stone age physically, and beyond what we can treat in 2009 nuclear medicine wise.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:41 pm

al gore invented the internet……there’s your sign!

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:42 pm

say what

take a deep breath.

hope and change really works for me. sorry it hasn’t for you.

nuff said?

Dudley Doright

September 25th, 2009
12:42 pm

USinUK

Hate to hear your prediction about Tuesday week, however, I’m sure you and your brethren will find a way to blame it on Bush.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
12:42 pm

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:35 pm

Don’t you just love these little kids and their little dream worlds that they have made up for themselves to live in. Think warm embrace. Do it for the children, no matter how old they may be in human years.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
12:44 pm

Whizkid–

The post office is Republican Congress run because they devised the idiotic byzantine financial allignment that makes them set aside funds for htousands of employees’ benefits package that they will never hire that they can’t touch.

Additionally, in case you haven’t noticed, an exponentially increasing amount of transactions are done by email and scanning and attachments and the snail mail system is being abandoned.

If you want to lay some dog crap at the feet of those who set up the current post office structure, put it at Chambliss’ door because he was involved.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:45 pm

oh and

say what

as I have said before, I have read the ingredients on the koolaid
pouch and wouldn’t give that chemical mess to Joe or any of his doggie buddies.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
12:45 pm

I hear the FDIC is broke. I wonder how many Republicans would be in favor of keeping them in business with some fed money. Poor ole grandma’s savings might not be too secure after all.

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
12:45 pm

“I’m sure you and your brethren will find a way to blame it on Bush.”

nah … sometimes we spread the blame around and share it with Cheney, as well …

(ask Bosch why … he’ll tell ya)

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
12:46 pm

MG, just curious, what Obama sponsored change has made your life so good? After all, you don’t take bailouts and didn’t participate in cash for clunkers. Unemployment continues to rise (blame it on Bush, right?) even under his adminstration. So what legislation made things so much better?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:46 pm

USin UK

Can we wait till late October for the end of the world….

we’ve got a big surprise party and a baby shower planned….

damn I hate to waste the tapas

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 25th, 2009
12:46 pm

Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
12:39 pm

Obama is neither moral nor clear, or perhaps he merely meets a very low threshold set by those who consider him as such.

As the character of Kennedy has been slowly unraveled over time, so will it be with Obama. Once his protection from the media fades, I would wager that he will be just another shade of Cynthia McKinney. Just something that should be scraped off our collective shoes.

On the other hand, Obama has proved the perfect foil to initiate the recovery of the publics view of President Bush at a much earlier time than one would have suspected a scant few months back.

Luckily, Gov. Palin and Liz Cheney sit on the death panel that will terminate Obama’s political career in 2012.

mike

September 25th, 2009
12:47 pm

Anybody notice that there are no representatives from Russia or China on that podium?

If they can’t stand at a lectern and note their solidarity with the West on this, how can any reasonable person think they will support meaningful sanctions?

Dudley Doright

September 25th, 2009
12:48 pm

USinUK

My bad. I totally overlooked the “blame Cheney” mob. I’ll close with this: I would have rather gone hunting with Dick Cheney any day over riding in a car with (the now deceased) Ted Kennedy.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
12:48 pm

Here’s the Post Office Briefing your momma forgot to teach you to read for all of you Repubozos bringing the stupid bashing the Post Office. It was made financially precarious by your stupid Repubozo Congress years ago.

This is but one more in a series of things that the Katy Abram ignorant here blame on government when it is in fact the screwup of Repubozo government.

How Republicans Cripled the Post Office Along with Medicare

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/business/08nocera.html

Glad to school you.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(

September 25th, 2009
12:49 pm

They want enough bombs to blow us up too.

Like Obozo will have the courage to stop them.

mike

September 25th, 2009
12:50 pm

George American –

Your pathetic “parody” is beyond lame. Just be more forthright and say “I hate Republicans and I see them through the lens of ignorant stereotypes.”

If that is not enough to satisfy your need to flap your gums, you could also say, “I am incapable of articulating any thoughts beyond my mindless partisan beliefs that those who don’t share my narrow-minded views is a bad person.”

You can even shout in in bold-faced caps since your need for attention is only matched by you inability to voice any meaningful thoughts.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
12:52 pm

ewwww. Dudley wants his face blown off. That’s gross. I hope you have a good health insurance policy.

Question

September 25th, 2009
12:53 pm

Why even have a blog on this?

We know the outcome which is the same as our policy/position with North Korea — “Okay, we’ll let it go this time, but don’t let it happen again. And, BTW, can we offer anything so you don’t do it again?”…

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
12:54 pm

Taxpayer …

“I hear the FDIC is broke”

you do realize that the reason the FDIC is broke is because the Republican congress prohibited it from enforcing insurance premium collections from the banks …

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/03/11/now_needy_fdic_collected_little_in_premiums/

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 25th, 2009
12:55 pm

stands for decibels
September 25th, 2009
12:37 pm

Not only are you mentally, the liberal and gay communities that would use something like that for their release are truly sick. Just thinking of you people makes me want to shower in antiseptic.

Dudley Doright

September 25th, 2009
12:55 pm

Public Option’s Doing Swell

BAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Nothing like using a liberal rag like the NYT to help me make my point. For those of you who care to read on, the beginning of the article reads:

“Consider the plight of John E. Potter, the chief executive of the second-largest employer in America. On the one hand, he has a guaranteed monopoly for much of his business. On the other hand, monopoly or not, the combination of the Internet and the recession is absolutely crushing his company, just as it is for so many other companies across the country. His last quarter’s results, which were announced on Wednesday, revealed a loss of $2.4 billion. The business is on track to lose a staggering $7 billion in 2009, on around $68 billion in revenue. That’s practically General Motors territory.

What can he do to fix the situation? Surprisingly little. His employees have clauses in their union contracts that forbid layoffs. Nor can he renegotiate their gold-plated benefits, the way, say, the auto companies did when their backs were against the wall.”

Notice the key words like “monopoly” and “union contracts that forbid layoffs”. In other words, the Government cannot even run a profitable MONOPOLY.

Thanks, Public, I appreciate the support.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
12:55 pm

We know the outcome which is the same as our policy/position with North Korea — “Okay, we’ll let it go this time, but don’t let it happen again. And, BTW, can we offer anything so you don’t do it again?”…

That is to appease all the Republicans that wanted Obama to stick with the Bush plan. It is just for show though. The real work is going on behind the scenes because otherwise the Republicans might start wee weeing on themselves again, like Dave R did earlier.

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
12:55 pm

it’s time … time for food and the train home … later taters!!!

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
12:55 pm

well Say What

when I travel abroad, I can be proud we are a nation that does not torture.

The credit card companies can’t play some of their little games with me any more.

My best friend got a great new small business loan.

Kids in the neighborhood have access to SCHIP.

My unemployed brother in law father of three will get his unemployment
extended.

My gay cousin is protected from hate crimes.

Being a lover of the arts the increase in NEA funding really turns me on!

I’m crazy about space exploration and its scientific benefit to the world.

The expanded Americorps would be a great opportunity for my nephew as he graduates from college.

Poor folks I know will have help winterizing their homes this year.

Investment in alternative energy will turn my 32 mpg car
obsolete in a few years.

I have to admit I’d take the rebate for a hybrid plug in if still available when old Tony Toyota passes!

Hopefully I’ll get the opportunity to ride high speed rail.

I’m proud that the President has Dems and Reps in his cabinet.

Stem cell research might cure my nieces lupus.

But that’s just today….check for more next week.

mike

September 25th, 2009
12:56 pm

Public Option –

“Glad to school you”

LOL. Name calling and posting a link while distoting the contents of the article is schooling?

If this is your idea of schooling, no wonder you are incapable of reading. Despite your silly summary blaming Republicans (what else is new?), the article states quite clearly what the Post Office’s problems are:

“On the other hand, monopoly or not, the combination of the Internet and the recession is absolutely crushing his company, just as it is for so many other companies across the country.”

Hmm, I guess Republicans are responsible for the internet?

The article makes no reference to Republicans at all.

I guess you have confused “schooling” with “lying”.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
12:56 pm

New York Times/CBS News poll TODAY 9/25/09

The poll suggests that Mr. Obama is in a decidedly more commanding position than Republicans on this issue as Congressional negotiations move into their final stages. Most Americans trust Mr. Obama more than Republicans to make the right decisions on the issue; 76 percent said Republicans had not even laid out a clear health care plan.

And by a lopsided margin, respondents said that Mr. Obama and not Republicans had made an effort to cross party lines and strike a deal that has the support of both parties.

At 56 percent, Mr. Obama’s job approval rating is about par for a president at this point in a first term: Reagan had a 53 percent job approval rating, while Bill Clinton was at 43 percent.

And Americans think the economy is on the mend, while there has been a 15 point increase to 36 percent in the percentage of Americans who said Mr. Obama’s stimulus package has improved the economy.

Just 30 percent said they had a favorable view of Republicans in Congress. By contrast, 47 percent said they had a favorable view of Congressional Democrats.

The poll of 1,042 adults was conducted by telephone from Saturday through Wednesday. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Cutty

September 25th, 2009
12:57 pm

******Watch Saxby run from the cameras as he enters his lobbyist-sponsored ‘fundraiser’ tonight on ABC @ 7.************

Where is Bo when you need him?

mike

September 25th, 2009
12:57 pm

Dudley –

There were so many angles to pick apart Public Options stupid comments on the Post Office. The guy is so pathetic.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
12:57 pm

USinUK

September 25th, 2009
12:54 pm
Taxpayer …

“I hear the FDIC is broke”

you do realize that the reason the FDIC is broke is because the Republican congress prohibited it from enforcing insurance premium collections from the banks …

SHHHHHH! THE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR SCREWUPS TO THEMSELVES. DON’T TELL ANYONE. THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WORD WILL LEAK OUT ABOUT OTHER STUFF THAT THEY DID. DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE DEFUND ACORN BILL, FOR EXAMPLE. SHHHH. KEEP IT QUIET.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(

September 25th, 2009
12:58 pm

From da udder blog-

Jay

September 25th, 2009
8:53 am

Meanwhile, the temperature continues its inexorable rise.

bookman, it’s called the thermostat, it would be located somewhere on the wall of your house in a central location, find it and turn it down.

duh.

Either that or come outside where it HAS GOTTEN COLDER!

:-)

AmVet

September 25th, 2009
12:58 pm

Say What, that’s pretty funny.

Which for a rightie is fairly noteworthy in and of itself. Seriously.

But your analogy is somewhat faulty as perhaps the greatest American socialist of them all was…………………wait for it………………… George W. Bush.

Who used socialism to bail out capitalism last September.

Less than Curious George along with McCain, Clinton, Obama et al engaged in the single biggest act of socialism in US history. Far bigger even than FDR’s policies between the Great Depression and World War II.

The “bailout” of the gangster capitalists and white collar criminals on Wall Street, including we the people’s government back-stopping money market funds, and buying stock in criminally mismanaged banks to keep them afloat, is the very definition of socialism: The state owning the means of production and exchange.

That BHO has continued Marxist George’s policies is something I predicted…

Dudley Doright

September 25th, 2009
12:59 pm

Taxpayer. You said “ewwww. Dudley wants his face blown off.” What in the world are you referring to. Are you that ignorant?

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:01 pm

I hope someone remembers to ask Saxby why he was trying to divert blame on that poor guy at Imperial Sugar. The findings are in, Saxby is an evil puppet for the sugar industry and anyone else with a buck.

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:01 pm

Public Option’s Doing Swell –

Nice cherry picking of the poll. At least you aren’t just making stuff up, so you are making progress.

Here are some points you neglected:

The poll found that an intense campaign by Mr. Obama to rally support behind his health care plan — including an address to Congress, a run of television interviews and rallies across the country — appears to have done little to allay concerns.

Majorities of respondents said that they were confused about the health care argument and that Mr. Obama had not done a good job in explaining what he was trying to accomplish.

The percentage of people who approve of the way he has dealt with Afghanistan has dropped to 44 percent from 56 percent in April. The percentage of Americans who approve of his handling of the economy, at 50 percent, has dropped from 61 percent since April. In April, Mr. Obama had a 43-point advantage over Republicans in terms of who would make the right decisions on the economy; that has dropped to a 26-point advantage.

56 percent of respondents said they did not expect Mr. Obama to be able to keep his promise not to raise taxes on households making less than $250,000.

The poll suggested that Mr. Obama’s effort to deal with concerns about the health plan has enjoyed, at best, mixed success. In the poll, 55 percent said Mr. Obama had not clearly explained his plans for changing the health care system, and 59 percent said they thought the health care changes under consideration in Congress were confusing.

The fact that so many Americans say they do not know enough about the plan to offer an opinion — 46 percent — shows the risk of the White House’s strategy of not putting forward its own specific bill.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:02 pm

Nice try, AmVet. You almost sounded coherent.

Personally, I was against the bailout initiated by Bush, but that’s water under the bridge.

Don’t lose site of the fact that, while Bush was running up a $1 trillion debt, Obama has now risen it exponentially. I believe the last estimate I heard for the year 2011 was $9 trillion. I heard other numbers closer to $11 trillion, but that didn’t include Obamacare, which will take 17% or our economy and put it under govt control.

That may be tough for you to grasp, but the truth hurts. Unless, of course, you’ve taken you daily pill and drank the koolaid.

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:02 pm

Dudley -

“Are you that ignorant?”

Oh god yes. You will learn pretty quickly to just ignore Taxpayer. He is among the least intelligent people that visit this blog.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:03 pm

Dudley, you said you wanted to go hunting with Cheney and Cheney aims high with that shotgun. I just thought that you knew what you were getting yourself into but if I saved you from harm, then no thanks are needed. You are welcome.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
1:03 pm

@ “MIke”

No one from my camp is calling you a name Mike. I’m referring to your party in the same way that all your Congress bozos call the Democratic party the Democrat party to denigrate your Congress.

If you check, I’m not calling a commenter any names, at least until they start flinging fecal material first.

Concentrate on the issues. Picking on the post office or Medicare for insolvency is patently stupid when insolvency can be directly laid at the feet of Republicans. And although Senate Finance will have little say in the final health care bill, and everyone forgets that–the floor and conference will be much more important as will the House, they already votged down one attempt to fix Medicare’s solvency and plug the donut hole because they were going to bat for their johns the insurance company. Senate Finance is the Republican and Blue Dog controlled committee in the Senate that usually deals with tax matters over there.

The article makes no reference to Repubozos at all, but later if I have time when I’m through with work, I will show you that the Repubozos set up the current postal corporation. I don’t rely NYT articles to do everything for me. And surely you’re not so ignorant as to think Congress doesn’t make law and oversee the Post Office. Did you think it was Hezbollah who organizes it and makes its laws perhaps?

I said schooling and I meant it. As usual, I can support my claims and you ramble like an ignorant child.

Gotta go Mike. Keep the unemployed fires burning. We’re trying to get health care for ya.

Rant

September 25th, 2009
1:03 pm

The best response is to give Israel the green light, i.e., release the hounds!!!

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:04 pm

mike needs are warm embrace, don’t you mike. How much have you had today. Now come here and get that hug you sweet thang.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(

September 25th, 2009
1:04 pm

“Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follows,” Obozo said 9/25/09

“No nation can or should try to dominate another nation,” Obozo intoned. “No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed. No balance of power among nations will hold.”-9/23/09

blah, blah, blah.

Turd Ferguson

September 25th, 2009
1:05 pm

Its time to bring in the Israelees and let them take out these nuclear facilities. Hopefully the US will flyover and drop a few bombs also.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 25th, 2009
1:05 pm

Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
12:55 pm

Are you also proud of a deficit trend that has gone vertical and will choke the world’s greatest nation to death, and the administration that can’t seem to get the number right

Are you proud of an administration that promised transparency, yet rams through deficit engorging legislation before it is even read

Are you proud of the way we sawed of the limb behind our allies, the Poles and Czechs

Are you proud of the way that a western democracy, a longtime ally, in Yisrael was thrown under the bus in favor of a bunch of uncivilized animals

Are you proud of the way that the administration plumped the pork for a group like ACORN that regularly engages in voter fraud and would help someone enslave minors and set up a whorehouse in your neighborhood

Are you proud of a cabinet level appointment who believes the government brought down the towers on 09/11, or the ones that never go their taxes right

Are you proud of an administration that lionizes a man who left a preganant, young girl to drown in a sunken car.

It seems that your list, when taken against the totality of the obama-nation, is much like arranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:05 pm

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:02 pm
Dudley -

“Are you that ignorant?”

Oh god yes. You will learn pretty quickly to just ignore Taxpayer. He is among the least intelligent people that visit this blog.

Isn’t that sweet. mike loves me. Don’t you mike. You can admit it. You’re amongst friends here. Anonymous friends. You sweet little thang.

Turd Ferguson

September 25th, 2009
1:07 pm

Multi-lateralism is never a good thing as in too many cooks spoil the soup as in “we are all on the same team”. All this is BS and HS propogated by the panty waists Carter, Clinton and now Obobo.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
1:08 pm

Oh Byll!!

I’m proud my outlook is diametrically opposed to yours.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
1:09 pm

Oh Byll….

Rearranging the deck chairs is a democratic luntzism…try and get your own.

AmVet

September 25th, 2009
1:09 pm

Say What, shucking and grinning for BushCo is one thing, and seen here every day of the week.

But to mangle the numbers like that takes true talent!

On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion.

The day he left office?

$9.849 trillion.

A 71.9 percent increase by your fiscal conservative, I mean corporatist….

No wonder coherency is hard for you to get a grasp on…

Just like the “leaders” in the GOP

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:11 pm

That’s OK, Mrs. G at 1:08. Byll has mike and Dave R and others that are not opposed. I see them going places.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:14 pm

AmVet,

these conservative Republican children can’t even read. Much less understand. I prefer to offer them hugs and words of encouragement just to let them know that we’re here to see that their basic needs are taken care of, except an education. After all, there is a limit to what we can do for them.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 25th, 2009
1:17 pm

Somehow, from my beach front hot tub outside Fortaleza, watching dolphins breach, people paddle boarding, and a 30 year old b list actress (she once spoke to Charlie on 2 1/2 men) performing yoga exercises a few feet away, I’m rather glad that my outlook has been different than yours.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:18 pm

You know, a good stunt to pull on old Wyld Byll right now would be to dip his hand in some warm water. hehehe

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 25th, 2009
1:20 pm

Hardly, Ol’ Wyld Byll’s a fixin’ to dip another part into something warm in a minute or two.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
1:21 pm

Byll

Not bad.

The view from my backyard hot tub includes two silly dogs running in the yard, our Mimi in her wheelchair on the deck, the neighborkids
playing ball and Mr G coming down the steps with an icey cold beverage.

I’m happy with that.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:21 pm

Then again, someone better throw a pitcher of cold water on him before he blows a gasket.

Turd Ferguson

September 25th, 2009
1:22 pm

I see the #2 idiot is in town today. Wonder how long it will take before he opens mouth and inserts foot?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
1:22 pm

Byll

Make Sure little Byll and the twins are protected!

That new HIV vaccine is only 30 something percent effective.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:22 pm

AmVet, I no longer need to match wits with you. You’ve done yourself in. You’ve quoted a CBS news report. Hahahahahaha. I’ll bet they have some great stories from Dan Rather about Bush and the National Guard as well, don’t they?

I know you don’t like to be hit with facts, but here goes:

Money quote:

The public national debt – $5.8 trillion as of 2008 – is projected to double by 2012 and nearly triple by 2019. Thus, America would accumulate more government debt under President Obama than under every President in American history from George Washington to George W. Bush combined.

You liberals, er, uh, I mean socialists never cease to amaze me. Thanks again for the laugh.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:22 pm

I think someone here has been reading a short story. “Beaches in heat.”

Turd Ferguson

September 25th, 2009
1:23 pm

We wont know the Iranians have a nuclear bomb until after they have it. Best to ere on the side of caution and lauch a strike force, along with Israel, and take out this menace.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 25th, 2009
1:24 pm

There is nothing little on Ol’ Byll.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:25 pm

I see our VP has heard the pleas from the Georgia Republicans and has come down here to offer federal aid to all those truly in need. All they had to do is ask. Just ask. That is all it takes.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
1:26 pm

Byll

Then stay out of the pool…..don’t wanna scare the yoga babe.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:27 pm

Taxpayer, you keep talking about giving out hugs. Creeeeeepy. Perhaps you’re just a collaborator.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:27 pm

Iran poses more of a threat to countries that they neighbor. They are no real threat to the US. Perhaps China and Russia and Saudi Arabia, etc., should start re-thinking their strategies.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:28 pm

Nice try, Taxpayer. Actually, Georgia was granted federal aid before Biden ever touched down.

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:29 pm

Public Option –

“No one from my camp is calling you a name Mike”

What crap. I am called names as an individual and as a conservative every day. Sorry to tell you this, but Repubozo is a name.

” I’m referring to your party in the same way that all your Congress bozos call the Democratic party the Democrat party to denigrate your Congress. If you check, I’m not calling a commenter any names, at least until they start flinging fecal material first.”

Yeah, because it is so much more admirable to call millions of people names as a group than it is to call an individual a name.

“Concentrate on the issues. Picking on the post office or Medicare for insolvency is patently stupid when insolvency can be directly laid at the feet of Republicans”

You have yet to display any evidence that the Post Office’s insolvency is because of the Republicans. The article that you cite says its primarily due to the Internet.

Where are you getting your “facts”?

.”And although Senate Finance will have little say in the final health care bill, and everyone forgets that–the floor and conference will be much more important as will the House, they already votged down one attempt to fix Medicare’s solvency and plug the donut hole because they were going to bat for their johns the insurance company. Senate Finance is the Republican and Blue Dog controlled committee in the Senate that usually deals with tax matters over there.”

What does that rambling statement have to do with anything that we were discussing.

“The article makes no reference to Repubozos at all, but later if I have time when I’m through with work, I will show you that the Repubozos set up the current postal corporation. I don’t rely NYT articles to do everything for me.”

Look, you make the stupid comment that it is all Republican’s fault and then you post an article that says that is not true at all. I never said that you rely on the NYT, I was just commenting on the article that you cited.

“And surely you’re not so ignorant as to think Congress doesn’t make law and oversee the Post Office. Did you think it was Hezbollah who organizes it and makes its laws perhaps?”

More irrelevant yap-yap. Your own article says the primary problem is the the Post Office got wiped out by the Internet. You shouldn’t need the Times to explain that. Any moderately intelligent person would know that physical mail delivery would take a huge hit with the spread of email.

“I said schooling and I meant it. As usual, I can support my claims and you ramble like an ignorant child.”

You have not supported a single claim that you made in that post at all, so apparently you can’t support your claims. My “ignorant” rambling has got you sputtering like a fool, so it appears to be good enough.

“Gotta go Mike. Keep the unemployed fires burning. We’re trying to get health care for ya.”

LOL. Thanks for the concern. Any other random thoughts in your head that you want to claim as truth?

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:29 pm

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:27 pm
Taxpayer, you keep talking about giving out hugs. Creeeeeepy. Perhaps you’re just a collaborator

In fact, I am known the world over as the great collaborator. Would you like to collaborate.

AmVet

September 25th, 2009
1:30 pm

“AmVet, I no longer need to match wits with you.”

As long as you know your place.

In remedial math class…

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:31 pm

Apparently Public Option thinks that posting here means you are unemployed. Does that mean that he is unemployed?

Or is this another rule that only applies to people who don’t share his narrow views?

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:32 pm

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:28 pm
Nice try, Taxpayer. Actually, Georgia was granted federal aid before Biden ever touched down

I know. Perdue called Obama and asked for fed help and Obama said yes and sent Biden to convey that message to Georgia’s republicans that did not trust Obama. All they had to do was ask. tis true.

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:32 pm

Say what –

“Taxpayer, you keep talking about giving out hugs”

That is what the angry liberals do here when they run out of things to say and need to keep flapping their gums. That or they do lame and bigoted parodies of conservatives.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:36 pm

My “ignorant” rambling has got you sputtering like a fool, so it appears to be good enough.

Why that’s just foolish talk. Just plain foolish. You need a warm embrace, don’t you mike. You do. Now admit it. You sweet thang. You’re just grumpy on the outside, aren’t you. And, it is all because of all the hypocrisy and the adding of homonyms that you have to subject yourself to every day. You can tell us. It is true, isn’t it.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:41 pm

You can do it too mike. Flapping the gums, that is. It is really fun and it is stress relieving too. You just lick your lips and poke them out real far. That much I didn’t even have to tell you though. That is because you are a grump. Anyway, not to distract from the task at hand. Now, take your index finger and run it up and down against your upper and lower lips while exhaling, not through your nose, through your lips, silly. Now, you see. You can’t help but smile and grin and even giggle once you do that, especially if your better half catches you doing it and you have to explain it. hehehe.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:42 pm

AmVet, is that the best you can come up with? Speaking of remedial math, I missed out. Some guy by the name of AmVet took the last seat. How about trying to knock down the debt post I offered. You offered a CBS News article? Hahahahahahaha. CBS?? Nothing like an accurate and unbiased news organization like Dan Rather’s CBS News. Hahahahahaha. You obviously missed the meds today.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:44 pm

Still wrong, taxpayer. It was widely reported that Georgia received federal aid looooooonnnnngg before Joe Isuzu, er, I mean Joe Biden arrived. I know.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
1:45 pm

Off Topic but funny:

Via TPM

Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) argued that insurers must be required to cover basic maternity care. (In several states there are no such requirements.)

“I don’t need maternity care,” Kyl said. “So requiring that on my insurance policy is something that I don’t need and will make the policy more expensive.”

Stabenow interrupted: “I think your mom probably did.”

F. Sinkwich

September 25th, 2009
1:47 pm

Any so-called sanctions by Russia and China against Iran or North Korea will be all sizzle and no steak. Of course Chairman O will ignore this inconvenient fact and will go to bed each night believing he’s made the world safer.

Meanwhile, back at the Kremlin Putin and his buddies knock back vodka and and belly-laugh every time one of them does an Obama impression of his speech at the UN. They blow chunks when someone mentions Obama’s toughness on missile defense in eastern Europe.

The world is a tough place. Unfortunately Chairman O is not. I fear for our country’s safety, much less the world’s.

It’s Bush’s fault <—– Beat you to it!

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:47 pm

TPM. Wow, another “objective” source cited today.

TnGelding

September 25th, 2009
1:47 pm

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:48 pm

Mrs G –

But doesn’t that miss the point a bit? If one is single, gay or infertile, why should they have to purchase a plan the covers maternity care?

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:49 pm

Where are you AmVet? Did the “Obama tripling the debt” post overload your circuit or make your meds null and void?

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:49 pm

TnGelding –

“The sky is falling! The sky is falling!”

Actually, Jay’s post about global warming is downstairs. It is titled, “Our Grandchildren Will Curse Us to Our Face.”

Pretty hysterical, huh?

AmVet

September 25th, 2009
1:50 pm

Say What, are you really that dense???

Do you really contend the debt was only $5.8 trillion when George of the Bungle left office?

Are you seeing an entire team of doctors???

PLEASE do cite your “sources”, mystery meat.

I’d love to see it one single solitary source for this nonsense, “I believe the last estimate I heard…”

Link phobic?

Corrobaorationally challenged?

CBS ain’t good enough for ya?

And yet all you can do is pull numbers out of your ample…

Lay them on me stud…

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:50 pm

Say What –

Do you really want to go down that road? Asking AmVet to accept a fact that he does not want to be true?

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:53 pm

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:44 pm
Still wrong, taxpayer. It was widely reported that Georgia received federal aid looooooonnnnngg before Joe Isuzu, er, I mean Joe Biden arrived. I know.

Now, try to pay attention. If you’re having trouble with this step, then you will not be able to get the following. I’ll repeat it.

Perdue called Obama and asked for fed help. Obama said yes and sent Biden to talk to the folks in some of the hardest hit counties — counties that just happen to have a good number of conservative Republicans that don’t really want any outside help, especially from the fed. They don’t trust Obama and they sure don’t want no handout from the fed because that would mean that tax payer’s money would be coming to them even though they need it. So, Biden came and eased the pain of accepting that handout.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
1:53 pm

mike

i guess for the same reason if you are male and single and suffer from irectile dyfunction insurance covers viagra.

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:53 pm

If you want to get a handle on the timelines of the deficit, take a peek at this graphic from the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html

It’s not just the deficit of the current year. It is the deficits in the future that are the real problem.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:54 pm

AmVet, speaking of dense. P l e a s e

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It referenced Money.

Now, back to the Daily Kos for you.

StinkFoot

September 25th, 2009
1:54 pm

I don’t need maternity care,” Kyl said. “So requiring that on my insurance policy is something that I don’t need and will make the policy more expensive.”

Stabenow interrupted: “I think your mom probably did.”

Whats so funny about that? Seems more like a typical smart a s sed rebuke from yet another know-nothing democrap.

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:55 pm

Mrs. Godzilla –

“i guess for the same reason if you are male and single and suffer from irectile dyfunction insurance covers viagra.”

Well, that shouldn’t be either. Making people buy health coverage for which they have no use is unfair.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
1:55 pm

Mrs. Godzilla, what is “irectile” dysfunction? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Guess you sipped too many cold ones in your hot tub while wathcing your dogs.

Captain Underpants

September 25th, 2009
1:56 pm

Obobo is just trying to change to topic of focus from OboboCare to Iran. He doesnt care what Iran does because they are his Muslim brothers and sisters.

Obobo is just worthless and maybe even more worthless than Carter.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:57 pm

AmVet,

I think Say What may be one of those, you know, members of The Order of the Deniers too. So, go easy on him. You may need to break down the truth into smaller pieces fo rhim to chew on. Smaller, smaller, no, smaller. Getting warmer… .

mike

September 25th, 2009
1:58 pm

So What –

You have to keep in mind that Taxpayer is incapable of distinguishing between the bizarre theories he creates to satisfy his mindless partisan hatred and reality.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 25th, 2009
2:00 pm

Mike

Pink and Blue healthcare!

What a great idea!

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:00 pm

Taxpayer…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..thanks for the laugh. Biden “eased” their pain? My goodness, what WOULD we do without Joe’s compassion? By the way, he visited primarily metro Atlanta – Obama country – so leave the Republican nonsense out of it. Floods don’t discriminate between parties. Unless, of course, you want to blame this on Bush.

mike

September 25th, 2009
2:01 pm

Mrs. Godzilla –

“Pink and Blue healthcare! What a great idea!’

Can we trademark that? ;)

Horrible Horace

September 25th, 2009
2:02 pm

Well of course the flood was the fault of Bush. If the N.O. levees had been strengthened properly this ATL flooding would never have occurred. GEESH…how simple must I make it for you! *POOT*

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:03 pm

Taxpayer, Order of the deniers? Not familiar with them. You, on the other hand, play the blame game. Bush or Cheney, take your pick.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
2:03 pm

You have to keep in mind that Taxpayer is incapable of distinguishing between the bizarre theories he creates to satisfy his mindless partisan hatred and reality.

Awww, mike. That is just so sweet. Why do I get the feeling that you chose to ignore the advice that I offered you in my earlier post. Here. let me repeat it so you can have it at your finger tip.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
1:41 pm
You can do it too mike. Flapping the gums, that is. It is really fun and it is stress relieving too. You just lick your lips and poke them out real far. That much I didn’t even have to tell you though. That is because you are a grump. Anyway, not to distract from the task at hand. Now, take your index finger and run it up and down against your upper and lower lips while exhaling, not through your nose, through your lips, silly. Now, you see. You can’t help but smile and grin and even giggle once you do that, especially if your better half catches you doing it and you have to explain it. hehehe.

There. Now try it, mike. I think it could do you good. Really. You have to trust me on this one. Don’t be afraid. It won’t hurt. In fact, it tickles a little.

Nothing is Free

September 25th, 2009
2:04 pm

Amvet

Optimism is a good thing. I’ll play the lotto tonight. I’m already picking out my boat.

USinUK

**yes. if they broke the law, yes, I most definitely have a problem with that. **

Well I guess we are OK. The department of justice gave their OK before either person was water-boarded. So if that is the only criteria, then why in the world would the Obama administration want to waste all that time and money? Could it be about politics and his penchant for acting like a third world dictator that is making him do it?

Public Option’s Doing Swell

i thought I was Mike. Didn’t you claim that I was Mike?

Mike

I’m you. You must be a hell of a good guy and a snazzy dresser, too.

AmVet

September 25th, 2009
2:06 pm

Say What, your amazing intellectual dishonesty and lack of basic integrity preclude you from admitting that you royally screwed up those numbers.

And you still won’t produce one single item to confirm your fallacious claim.

Will you?

Nope.

Not one. Not now. Not ever.

So by way of red herring and to try and avoid the embarrassing spotlight that is shing squarely on you, you imagine I somehow support BHO’s disastrously bad fiscal policies.

I voted against him. I predicted he would be a corporatist and a disaster. I said like his predecessor – the one you voted for twice – he was a total farce. I told my liberal friends to prepare to be disappointed. On this very blog.

IMHO, he is just another Republican-lite but that doesn’t change the fact that you could no more accurately assess a political candidate than you could tell us what the national debt figures were in Jan. 2001 and Jan. 2008.

But your comedic efforts, mystery meat, are at least humorous…

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
2:08 pm

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:00 pm
Taxpayer…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..thanks for the laugh. Biden “eased” their pain? My goodness, what WOULD we do without Joe’s compassion? By the way, he visited primarily metro Atlanta – Obama country – so leave the Republican nonsense out of it. Floods don’t discriminate between parties. Unless, of course, you want to blame this on Bush.

It is all right, say what. I know that conservative Republican pride can be a tough thang to swallow. What, with Perdue having to ask Obama for help and Obama saying yes and all. It was nice of Obama to send Biden down here like that, now wasn’t it. It is good to see that you are not denying that. There may be hope for you yet, in a few years. Then again, who knows. You just hang in there though. We’re here to help.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
2:12 pm

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:03 pm
Taxpayer, Order of the deniers? Not familiar with them. You, on the other hand, play the blame game. Bush or Cheney, take your pick

I understand. It’s that secrecy thang, isn’t it. Secret handshake and all. And, the special code language that you use to screen out people that you are not supposed to listen to. That is what the ‘blame Bush’ thang is that you cling to, isn’t it. But, you don’t have to say anything. It will be our little secret.

Nothing is Free

September 25th, 2009
2:15 pm

Taxpayer

**t was nice of Obama to send Biden down here like that, now wasn’t it**

Not really. It was nice for Biden . . . al those photo-ops of him looking concerned. We could have used the help several days ago like . . . like . . . no, I guess the comparisons to the response time under Bush and Obama would be unfair. Bush is a conservative. He is expected to be efficient and strong in everything he did. Obama is a democrat, so it’s not really fair to expect him to be anything more than a non-caring gov’ment worker who might get around to it today, or maybe not.

mike

September 25th, 2009
2:16 pm

Nothing is free –

“I’m you. You must be a hell of a good guy and a snazzy dresser, too.”

Lucky devil. Welcome aboard.

By the way, one of the angry liberals accused me of being Ray yesterday, so you are Ray too.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
2:17 pm

Yesterday, “Mike” committed to ignorance and lazyness said that I was lying when I stated the Senate Finance Committee took up an amendment by Sen. Bill Nelson to close the donut. They did; and Republicans and Blue Dogs heavily paid by Insurance and Pharmaceutical comapnies voted to continue donut and Medicare D insolvency. This will be addressed again there, and on floor/conference and is addressed in the 4 other committees. Mike made a false statement because he was ignorant and too lazy to research his rambling.

Today I stated that the main reason the post office is on a GAO list of financially risky agencies is because of the regulatory framework a Republican controlled set of oversight committees in House and Senate set up and I was correct. Further the NYT article I pointed out did not blame “the internet” for financial problems at the Post Office. In fact it was clear that Potter who runs the Post Office blamed Congress for the byzantine financial framework and lack of tools he has, but Repubozos read what they want in articles no matter what’s in front of their face.

It is fact that the financial framework that the NYT points out is unique only to the Post Office was set up by the Senate and the House when Repubozos were in complete control. The Postal Regulatory Comission makes suggests but has little power, just like MEDPAC for Medicare.

And as I said yesterday, Medicare Part D was set up in 2003 by the Repubozo Congress chiefly Bill Frist after heavy contributions to them by the pharm industry. Repubozzos like to bank on Medicare as if it were a living breathing entity. Medicare’s finances are totally controlled by the Senate Finance Committee and Grassley a Repubozo who lies about death panels was Chairman when the SF Committee hamstrung Medicare.

Back to the Post Office’s financial setup which was not done by Mr. Potter or the Post Office. As he says in the NYT article–his hands are completely tied and they aren’t tied by the “internet.” It doesn’t set financial regs for USPO.

The financial organization of USPO is set by Congress who has confirmation power over its Board of Governors who have next to no power and do not make financial statutes. Acord 39 U.S.C. § 202 Article I, section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution grants U.S. Congress the power to establish post offices and post roads. The latest set of financial architecture regs for the USPO was the Postal Act of 2006 reported by Senator Grassley’s committee to the Senate floor and by the House Committee on Oversight of Governmental Affairs which regs the USPS in the House. The Chairman in 2006 was Tom Davis of Virginia the powerful Republican who resigned in 2008.

Nothing is Free

September 25th, 2009
2:19 pm

Mike

Me and you and Ray makes three. Actually, you know that there is only one conservative in the world and we are him. I am feeling pretty powerful right now.

Is the party with Sarah Palin still on? What a dish.

Nothing is Free

September 25th, 2009
2:25 pm

Mike

You . . . er I . . . er Ray . . . whatever . . . must have done something right. When he starts a post with: Yesterday, “Mike” committed to ignorance and lazyness, he has kicked into Televangelist mode where his biggest regret in life is that there is not a key on the keyboard that will make a finger shake at you.

Good job.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:26 pm

Taxpayer, you say things like giving hugs and keeping little secrets. Are you a 10 year old girl?

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
2:27 pm

Nothing is Free

September 25th, 2009
2:15 pm
Taxpayer

**t was nice of Obama to send Biden down here like that, now wasn’t it**

Not really. It was nice for Biden . . . al those photo-ops of him looking concerned. We could have used the help several days ago like . . . like . . . no, I guess the comparisons to the response time under Bush and Obama would be unfair. Bush is a conservative. He is expected to be efficient and strong in everything he did. Obama is a democrat, so it’s not really fair to expect him to be anything more than a non-caring gov’ment worker who might get around to it today, or maybe not.

Not really. Obama could do nothing until Perdue asked for the help. The ball was in Perdue’s court. Obama replied with a yes to that ask for help very quickly and then he sent Biden down to give that show of support. Of course, he probably would have worn his jeans and brought a pair of gloves if he had known that you needed his personal help. He’s just that kind of guy.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:30 pm

Taxpayer, since you are so enamored with “little secrets” I’ll let you in on one. Go to CBS News and you’ll find an interesting piece that Dan Rather did on George W. Bush and the National Guard. Keep it quiet though. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You socialists, er, libs are hilarious.

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
2:30 pm

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:26 pm
Taxpayer, you say things like giving hugs and keeping little secrets. Are you a 10 year old girl?

Do you expect to get hugs from ten year old girls and do you ask them to keep them secret. If so, I think you have a serious issue that requires immediate attention. Seek help now. I urge you.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
2:31 pm

Further the NYT Article published last month does not blame the internet for hamstringing the post office’s financial architecture. It quotes the CEO for nine years, John F. Potter, who puts the blame squarely on Congress who set up the byzantine rules in 2006 when the Republicans were firmly in control. The slim 2006 November election majority for Dems did not go into effect until January 2007 after this postal financial architecture was set up by Jim Davis and Chuck Grassley both Repubozos.

Joe Nocera, one of the chief NYT financial editors quotes Potter extensively. Potter is not the internet and he zeroes in on Congress who is not the internet.

Given the internet’s advantages along with scanning software, there would be more compelling reasons for Potter’s congressional overseers to grant his requests, but the Blue Dog and Republican controlled Senate Finance Committee has yet to do so, and in the House Daryl Issa is giving them no help as well as the ranking member.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:32 pm

Taxpayer, the same could be said about Bush and Katrina. He was waiting for the LA Gov to call, but she initially didn’t. Did you cut W some slack when her late call finally arrived?

Taxpayer

September 25th, 2009
2:33 pm

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:30 pm
Taxpayer, since you are so enamored with “little secrets” I’ll let you in on one. Go to CBS News and you’ll find an interesting piece that Dan Rather did on George W. Bush and the National Guard. Keep it quiet though. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You socialists, er, libs are hilarious.

You really need to let him go. Bush is gone, say what. He can do us no harm any longer. Now we have to focus on repairing the damage. Join us in repairing that damage. There is no need to deny it any longer.

Nothing is Free

September 25th, 2009
2:36 pm

Taxpayer

WOW!!!! That’s incredible because that is exactly what happened with Bush and Katrina.

Now aren’t you sorry you said all those nasty things about Bush? Apparently, most of the things that Obama is doing, Bush is being held up as his standard.

Maybe Obama can keep trying and become a real president some day.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
2:39 pm

From Nocera NYT:

“But as I discovered on Thursday, when I watched a Senate hearing on the current Postal Service crisis, that’s not likely to happen. For one thing, Mr. Potter isn’t really asking for the tools he needs to turn the Postal Service into a real business. He is asking Congress to relieve it from the health prepayments, which he is likely to get, at least temporarily. He is also asking that the Postal Service be allowed to reduce mail service to five days a week, and to eliminate some postal branches. These aren’t exactly revolutionary ideas — yet they are viewed as highly controversial in Congress, which frets that constituents might get angry if the local postal branch closes.”

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 25th, 2009
2:39 pm

Point frigging made to the unemployed ignorant lazy Repubozos.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:40 pm

Taxpayer, I think Public needs one of your “hugs”. Go on. You know you want to do it.

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:42 pm

Taxpayer, you’re right, Bush is gone. So who are you going to blame for the continuing rise in unemployment and the national debt? After all, like you said, “You really need to let him go.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Say What??

September 25th, 2009
2:44 pm

Public, you must be a Democreep.

N.J.

September 26th, 2009
5:33 pm

Unfortunately Bush caused the problem in the first place. In the second place Iran has never, not once, violated the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. The treaty guarantees two things. One is the right to nuclear reactors for energy purposes. The second is the right to enrich your own uranium fuel for those reactors. Case closed.

Bush, like the traditional Republican bully, decided that he was going to decide which nations got their full rights under the treaty, and which did not.

Which is why both the Bush and Obama administrations harp on the “secrecy” of what they are doing but neither have ever pointed to any specific violations that Iran has engaged in.

The real elephant in the room is Israel. There is only one nation in the Middle East that HAS nuclear weapons and it is also a nation that has repeatedly under false pretext attacked its neighbors. That is Israel. It has repeatedly claimed its strikes were “preemptive” but in every case, it has later been proved that there was no threat against them at the time. The example of the 1967 War is the best. Israel claimed that the Egyptians were massing troops at the border, but this was not only planned, but Egypt sent messages to Israel through diplomatic channels that they would be conducting scheduled military exercises near the border, gave dates, times and troops locations and concentrations so Israel would not think they were planning an attack.

On television, Queen Noor of Jordan, one of the leaders of the nuclear non proliferation movement, repeatedly points out that every nation in the Middle East must disarm if the area is to become a nuclear free zone. Thats not going to happen if Israel gets to keep its estimated 100-400 nukes. If they have the upper end, they have more nukes than all the nations in Europe put together.

As a recent article points out:

But notice that neither Obama, French President Nicholas Sarkozy nor British Prime Minister Gordon Brown accused Iran of a specific violation of its international nuclear responsibilities, and pivoted their case instead on Iran’s concealment. That’s because it’s not actually clear whether Iran has committed a specific violation of either the Nuclear Nonprofileration Treaty or its follow-on agreements negotiated separately with the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Under the NPT, each state negotiates a safeguards agreement to the IAEA so the atomic watchdog can work out where and how to establish monitoring devices like cameras at declared facilities. “Iran’s specific safeguards agreement doesn’t say anything about the time limits for the provision of design information,” says Ivanka Barzashka, an analyst with the Federation of American Scientists’ Strategic Security Program. Specific time-frames for site or design disclosure typically occur in additional “subsidiary arrangements,” and usually provide for disclosure around 180 days before the introduction of nuclear material into a given facility. But Iran’s subsidiary arrangement with the IAEA “has not been made public as far as I know,” Barzashka says…

…And that clearly hasn’t happened. According to an U.S. intelligence official who would only speak on background, “We’ve known about this facility for years. Over time, a clearer picture evolved of Iran’s intentions and activities at this covert site — one that, it turns out, wasn’t unknown to us.”

That’s still not the same thing as a broken obligation binding under international law. But the lack of a specific broken obligation, in turn, isn’t a reason to dismiss today’s disclosure. “It adds to the fact that Iran’s behavior is ambiguous,” Barzashka says. “The issue for Iran should be to do anything to dissuade this concern, like [implementing] further transparency measures … that should be the issue Iran should address.”…

http://washingtonindependent.com/60932/has-iran-actually-violated-any-specific-international-obligations-here

Iran has constructed a large facility. But there is no evidence that there is any URANIUM at the facility at all. It must tell the IAEA that it is going to introduce Uranium into the reactors at the facility six months before it does so

The U.S. government has actually KNOWN about this facility for years. Obama was made aware of it when he became president as any president who is being briefed on entering office would be.

Here is a U.S. government REPORT on the installation:

The latest IAEA report (GOV/2009/55) states that Iran has not yet implemented early provisions of design information in accordance with the revised Code 3.1 of the Subsidiary Arrangements General Part, which would require Iran to notify the agency of the construction of new facilities or modifications to existing ones as soon as such a decision has been authorized by the government or the plant operator. The original agreement required Iran to submit such information no later than 180 days before the introduction of nuclear material into the facility (GOV/2003/40).

The only reason that the United States would have to complain is if it had some belief that Iran was going to place Uranium into the reactor within the next six month, before that six months is up, and so then Iran would be in violation of the NNPT, But so far no Uranium has been introduced, nor has Iran stated that it intends to introduce any.

Iran and Syria have repeatedly made a single statement. Make the ENTIRE Middle East a nuclear free zone, and we will give up all of our nuclear energy programs.

Unfortunately the United States does not accept that offer, because it does not want to force Israel to give up its nukes, because it knows full well that Israel will not do so, which means that the U.S. will have to simply allow the other states to do the same.

N.J.

September 26th, 2009
5:56 pm

Bush is gone, he is still to blame for the continuing rise in unemployment and national debt just as much as a man who pushed a person off of the roof of a skyscraper would be responsible after he left the roof and before the person hit the ground.

Thats the way with economics. The laws of inertia apply. An economy that is moving down will continue to move down unless an equal economic force is applied against it. The answer to the national debt created by the Bush tax cuts and then borrowing is to RAISE taxes by an amount that will pay off that debt over eight years. That would mean increasing the top tax rate to between 50 and 80 percent and eliminating all tax break for those at the upper end. Then the government would create enough revenue to pay off the national debt.

All of the conservo b.s. about cutting spending is just diversion. The bulk of the spending is in defense. 54 percent direct, another 21 percent indirect (like the fifty percent of NASA’s budget that is for defense purposes, the 67 percent of the Department of Energy’s budget that is defense oriented and so on) This brings up the total Defense portion of the budget to about 75 percent. Social Security makes up half of what is left, and Social Security brings in enough money to pay for itself and Medicare out of payroll tax dollars to not need a red cent of income tax dollars.

Defense is the problem in the budget. It does not pay for itself. It does not even stimulate the economy enough to justify its existence. It eats up about 12-15 percent of GDP but only puts 6 percent back in.

The Reagan defense buildup and the Bush Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are responsible for 80 percent of the debt. The INTEREST on that 80 percent is responsible for another 10 percent of the debt. Obama’s spending on new things that he is interested in doing have added a total of about 350 billion to the debt

What he has to spend because of the mess Bush got America into in Iraq and Afghanistan is what is responsible for virtually all of the debt that Republicans are asserting belong to Obama.

The Bailout is all Bush so far. Obama has set another 250 billion dollar place holder, in case it is needed, but it has not been activated yet.

The one thing that is forgotten is that almost all of Obama’s deficit spending will vanish in a year. As soon as the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy expire there will be another 1.4 trillion dollars in tax revenues. If he lets ALL of the cuts expire, including Bush’s tax cuts to the middle class, that increases to 2.3 trillion. The exact sum of the two Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003.

The Republicans keep insisting that the Bush tax cuts stimulate the economy. But as with all Republican tax cuts, they virtually assure that a speculative crash will follow because Republican tax cuts are top heavy. They ALWAYS give 46 percent to the top two percent, and 56 percent to the bottom 98 percent. That must ALWAYS be the breakdown because that is how a ten percent across the board tax cut to all brackets will distribute over a standard statistical curve.

Obama is immediately stuck with a huge expense over the next ten years. The cost of bringing home troops from Iraq as well as replacing or repairing the equipment lost or damaged there will cost as much as the war itself will cost to the day that it ends. If by the time we leave it costs 750 billion dollars, add another 750 billion to bring the troops home and bring the military back to its full strength. The only other option is to bring them back and forget about replacing everything that was lost or left behind. That would make Russia about ten times more powerful than the United States military equipment wise. Something conservatives would just not want to agree to.

About 90 percent of the current and future deficits can be tagged onto things that Republicans started in the last eight years, and have to be paid for after they started them.

N.J.

September 26th, 2009
6:07 pm

The final facts are that in Obama’s less than ten months in office:

1. DJIA is now higher than when he got elected
2. Government has started earning profits on TARP investments
3. JObs are being created
4. Roads are being repaired
5. Airports are expanding services
6. Businesses are starting to see an upswing in consumer confidence
7. unemployment rates fell in several states

Add to this this months rise in housing prices and housing starts first time in 24 months, and you have Obama doing much better than Bush or Reagan did in their first ten months in office.
Obama’s policies have been more effective than the Bush tax cuts claim they were. It took almost two years before you saw any positive economic change after the dot com bubble and the Bush tax cuts. In fact the market went down even further for some time after the Bush tax cuts.

In fact the Dow was at about 10,500 when Bush entered office and it was 10,500 on the day he was inaugurated for his second term in office

In fact after the Bush tax cuts which went into effect early in 2001, the market plummetted from 10,504 in July of 2001, to 7,992 in April of 2003. It was not until January, 2005 that they reached the same levels they were at on the day Bush entered office. January 2001 the Dow was at 10,686.00
and it finally passed this on Jan-05 10,783.75 though by the end of the same month it was down again to 10,489.94.

N.J.

September 26th, 2009
6:14 pm

Letting go of Bush is dumb. Most of the current government spending levels are inheritances from things Bush started. Can’t get away from that. Defense spending is much higher than it needs to be, largely because of two wars started by Bush. Bailout expenses are also higher than they needed to be. Passed by Bush.

Though people point to the Obama deficits, 450 billion out of the current 600 billion are attached to things started by Bush.

A simple look at a graph of the Dow Jones in Bush’s last year in office and Obama’s first year so far proves the point. With Bush the decline is at a 45 degree angle downwards. With Obama it is at a 45 degree angle upwards

And of course the fix is in. The estimates for the percent of the Bush tax cuts that were used to start new businesses, to hire new employees, to upgrade existing businesses. Four percent.

N.J.

September 26th, 2009
6:17 pm

And finally the worlds largest violator for years of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. The United States. While the U.S. demands that other nations allow the IAEA in to inspect their reactors and place cameras in them and so on, the United States has denied this for almost 30 years.

N.J.

September 26th, 2009
6:27 pm

And of course Obama’s economic policies started him with a stock market that was at 7,949.17 the morning he was inaugurated, and closed at 9,665.19 yesterday. No president has done this in recent history.