Our grandchildren will curse us to our face

MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
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Ever see the movie “Water World”? I wonder if that’s our gift to our
Grandkids. Just think, everywhere would be beach front

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The libs can’t destroy the United States with a second porkulus package or their health care bill, the citizenry has wised up on those sinister schemes, so they double down on their “global warming” scare fantasy.

Looks like there is another protest in our future, Conservatives.

March on!

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Will someone please tell me what the correct temperature for the earth should be? Moving forward, how much effort should we spend keeping the temperature constant, as opposed to accepting the same temperature fluctuations that have effected the earth for as long as it existed?

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The self hatred by the left is rather amusing.

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It’s more likely our kids and grandkids will curse us for the taxes they’ll have to pay due to the Obumbler’s spending and not being able to enjoy the same freedom and liberties we’ve enjoyed.

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Isn’t it too late now to do anything about it? They’ll just have to adjust. And Mother Nature could make it moot at any instant.

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well, mike, there’s always this:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOlWiujpOldgk2YCQMLpBQStXRMAD9AT58IG0

New satellite information shows that ice sheets in Greenland and western Antarctica continue to shrink faster than scientists thought and in some places are already in runaway melt mode.

British scientists for the first time calculated changes in the height of the vulnerable but massive ice sheets and found them especially worse at their edges. That’s where warmer water eats away from below. In some parts of Antarctica, ice sheets have been losing 30 feet a year in thickness since 2003, according to a paper published online Thursday in the journal Nature.

Some of those areas are about a mile thick, so they’ve still got plenty of ice to burn through. But the drop in thickness is speeding up. In parts of Antarctica, the yearly rate of thinning from 2003 to 2007 is 50 percent higher than it was from 1995 to 2003.

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… and what will it mean if the ice melts and the sea level rises?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g5Rypcx89nBaZm90KTK-6C56pdIw

Delta land vulnerable to serious flooding could expand by 50 percent this century if ocean levels increase as expected under moderate climate change scenarios, the study projects.

Worst hit will be Asia, but heavily populated and farmed deltas on every continent except Australia and Antarctica are in peril, it says.

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They did not forecast all this rain & the flooding…..yet liberals believe in the HOAX of Global Warming………GIVE ME A BREAK..

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the hoax of glbal warming……there’s your sign!

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Zedd

September 25th, 2009
7:52 am

Well, unless corporate America regains its senses, it’s not going to matter. They’ll be on the dole.

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Just because David doesn’t believe it, doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen, huh folks?

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USinUK –

“well, mike, there’s always this:”

I am confused. Is this a response to something I said,

Reagardless, as your article states:

“Some scientists have previously estimated that steady melting of the two ice sheets will add about 3 feet, maybe more, to sea levels by the end of the century. But the ice sheets are so big it would probably take hundreds of years for them to completely disappear.”

Looks like they were off by a few hundred years. In a few years they will probably say it will be thousands of year.

I don’t think that we should rush into some economy-crippling plan to address climate change when the scientists assumptions are constantly proven to be incorrect and when we have no idea whether any of the proposed actions will even address the problem.

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Well, if we melt enough ice, then we will solve our drought and transportation problems. I see houseboats and homes built on those big chunks of styrofoam and an increased propensity for seafood. Now, let’s see. Where did all that arctic ice go? Oh yes. Andy now claims that it is floating around in the form of antarctic sea ice. hehehe. Truthers, birthers, deniers. Hey, you right wing nutter butters. Two out of three ain’t bad.

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USinUK,

It is much more important to funnel resources into finding that long form. After all, we have a limited time before the earth floods and then it will be lost forever.

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“…the significant global temperature rise is likely to occur even if industrialized and developed countries enact every climate policy they have proposed at this point.”

Jay, this sentence says it will happen regardless of what we do.
And we know the planet’s governments will do nothing. We know the USA will do nothing. Once an item hits the political arena nothing gets done except in very rare cases.

If our great or great-great grand-kids curse us, then they will have a very large dictionary of curse words to choose from. Hey they can call us pinko commie socialist. Or maybe right wing nazi nuts. That’s is one thing we have been doing real well recently, cursing each other in the political arena.

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So what if the Earth’s temp goes up a few degrees? Just crank up the AC and buy more fans. Who care if the ice caps melt? That’s just more water for us. How about finding ways to ship that extra water to places that need it like in the middle of Africa or California.
See, it’s that easy. Bookman and Algore want to scare you so that they can tax you and take your hard earned dollars to redistribute to people that don’t deserve it.
Are you poor? Get help at your church.
Do you need water? Dig a well and get it yourself.
Don’t like how the roads are built? Privative them and let good companies like Walmart build a stretches of road. Buses and trains are collectivist transportation modes. Let’s end them and make gasoline-powered cars more available. Then you liberal secular progressive will say, “Gee Bill, you’re putting more cars on the road and that causes pollution and global warming.” Shut up, you dumb whiners. If more folks could get around on their own, then they can easily find jobs and expand this economy which contracted from Hussein Obama’s recession.
See, it’s all simple you idiot secular progressives. My ideas would greatly reduce gov’t-leaving more money in everyone’s pocket.
If we reduced gov’t and instituted something like the FAIR Tax — and I know Bookman starts to shake and cry about this — then we would be far more prosperous.
Instead, poor Jay and his fellow Communist bed-wetting friends in the MSM and gov’t want to expand gov’t.

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USinUK –

The agument you made is pure Dick Cheney, except he said:

“which is going to be more expensive/worse for everyone: being wrong about Iraq’s WMD and ensuring that he does not have them??

being right about WMD and and NOT ensuring that he does not have them?”

I’d accuse you of fear-mongering, but we all know that only conservatives do that.

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bed wetting….there’s your sign!

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“which is going to be more expensive/worse for everyone: being wrong about Iraq’s WMD and ensuring that he does not have them??”

wow. so you’re comparing something that we had NO evidence of (other than the magic UN photos of trucks that “could be harboring germ warfare labs”) to something that we have daily evidence of …

mmmmmkay …

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Other than a dwindling handful of nobodys, there is no real doubt about the conclusions.

Anthropogenic climate change is not even in serious dispute anymore.

Not among anyone other than the neo-conned…

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Because there is no mess.

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Dick Cheney! Isn’t he another one of those Republican conservatives that said that deficit spending doesn’t matter. He should have finished his sentence to include “as long as it is a conservative Republican deciding what to spend it on.” They like spending borrowed money on tax cuts and wars.

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Oh…all this great information from the Crooks at the UN. Typical marketing ploy…create a need then fill it.

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I believe in proper stewardship of our planet. I do not believe that Earth is threatened by an excess of Carbon dioxide and other green house gases. like water vapor.

Labeling me and others who do not buy into this unproven theory as skeptics, is merely an attempt dismiss us. It will not be that easy to do. Using the skeptics word to belittle us implies that believers are actually religious about this issue. And surprise, surprise, they are.

The so call proof(s) that exist regarding Global Warming or if you prefer the new spin name, Global Climate Change is data from computers. I don’t fault the computers, but we all know that computers run software. Software is written by people. The software does what the writers ask it to do.

If you choose to then believe these scientist. In my view the scientist are much like politicians. Their primary job is to justify their own jobs and to be funded and funded again to do more studies. And that is exactly what they have done and continue to do.

In the 60s and 70 we were moving into a cold stretch so their studies indicated the need for further studies of this dangerous cooling trend. Then we entered a warming stretch, and their studies found reason to fear and of course to study that. Now we are either cooling or temporarily stalled or something so it let’s call it something bigger, let’s call it Climate Change.

Thank you very much, but no.

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Speaking of the hooch, all that stuff is now down around Columbus and Macon and below. Folks down there say its the biggest toilet flush they’ve ever seen. It’s epic. Biblical even. Sweetwater creek now has a strange aftertaste and the yellow river got yellower. Those folks in Florida and Alabama asked for it and Georgia delivered.

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dB –

I am immune to the siren’s call of Dick Cheney.

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USinUK –

“wow. so you’re comparing something that we had NO evidence of (other than the magic UN photos of trucks that “could be harboring germ warfare labs”) to something that we have daily evidence of …”

NO evidence? LOL. Are you saying that he never had WMD?

If there was NO evidence, why did so many Democrats claim that he did have the WMD.

Feeble, feeble argument.

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mike –

alarmism. alaaaaarmism. I’m refuting charges of alarmism with … you know … actual facts.

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Joey,

The ice melting and temperature increases are not just data from a computer model. You should really try to expand your knowledge base to include fact.

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Hmmmm. Why do they call it Greenland? Hmmmmm. Why was the ancient body they found in the Italian Alps even there…and not heavily clothed? When the glaciers in the Alps started to recede, why did they find evidence of farming? Why was the Medieval Warm Period followed by the Little Ice Age? Why do we get so alarmed by temperature fluctuations? Could it be that there are people who are profiting from providing a “solution” to the problem? Anyone know someone who would profit from “green” regulations or selling Carbon Offsets? Maybe a former Vice President and his cronies that are associated with a major bank…or a political party? Hmmmmm. I’m teaching my kids to not be a patsy. They can curse me if they want.

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Normal –

“Mike, I don’t envy you your sense of humor”

And I don’e envy your hypocrisy. So what?

“What I believe or not has nothing to do with the fact that the ice IS melting…for what ever reason.”

Duly noted, but what does this have to do with anything that I said?

“In your post below to Jay you said, and I’m paraphrasing here, that in global subjects there is more entrenchment and sniping due to minds made up.”

Huh? How did I say that. What is it with you and your insistence on putting words in my mouth.

“Is that what you are trying to do to me now?”

Do what? You are being incoherent again.

“Do you believe the ice is melting or not?”

Yes, but I have no idea what is causing it.

“I do. I don’t know why it is and I don’t care, but I am concerned that it is.”

Well you sure implied that you think man is causing with your Waterworld quip

“But save your bullets for someone else, I really don’t have the time to exchange shots with you.”

So you said yesterday and we have had four or five exchanges with me since.

I never even paid attention to you until you started calling me angry for daring to call someone a hypocrite. Not surprised that you are raising the white flag after I have schooled you so many times.

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Taxpayer;
I will if you will. Let’s begin with you helping me.

How many years of photo and other factual evidence of ice cover exist?

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“Oh good, then Greenland can be warm again to sustain trees and cattle like the Viking days in 1300’s ”

ohfercryingoutloud …

first of all, the Vikings weren’t from Greenland, they were from Norway, Finland and Iceland. they travelled to Greenland, but that’s not their origin.

secondly, the Viking age was from 700 to about the first millenium.

lastly, thanks for so thoroughly illustrating the intellectual stature of climate change skeptics.

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mike –

“This is utterly false. They never made any such conclusive statement. Please stop making up facts to fit your views.”

actually, Hans Blix did in March 2003 – prior to the invasion, the UN inspectors reported that they weren’t finding anything and that they were given access to areas they didn’t have access to before

“The point is that we all know that at one point he had WMD and that is pretty good evidence that he still might have had them in 2002.”

that’s right, mike … conveniently forget that the UN inspectors were there immediately following Gulf War I to destroy weapons caches.

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“Look, you are missing the point (as usual). Your argument was that we have to address climate change, even if we are wrong, as the consequences would be too great. Dick Cheney had exactly the same mindset with Iraq.”

oh, nearly forgot the last point … you are completely overlooking the glaring difference between the 2 …

climate change – scientific evidence on a daily basis.

WMDs – NO evidence, whatsoever … and, in fact, the evidence they did have was against them.

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An equally important problem that we face is the dependence on foreign governments for much of our fossil fuels. Gasoline and diesel fuel are the very backbone of our economy and to trust that to foreign supply is climbing way out on limb. Alternate energy…. more miles/gallon, wind and solar power, development of the hydrogen fuel cell… all of these will help us to maintain our economy without depending on foreign sources for our energy and putting up with the wars it takes to keep the supply available. If the bottom line is the polar ice shelves not melting so fast, so be it. Rather than being so concerned with more “beach front property”, we should be focusing on alternate sources of energy…. one should take care of the other.

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Normal

September 25th, 2009
8:48 am

Shame on you!

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I just wish I could be around to watch Andy’s coffin get washed up, among all the others, as the camera pans the scene.

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USinUK, ur a putz, I didn’t say the Vikings CAME fron G-land. But they lived and thrived their farming and raising cattle until it got so cold that everything died and they returned to the Norselands around 1200’s. Ignorance is bliss isn’t it?

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Jay, I’d be willing to say for every “climate scientist” you can gather to support your beliefs I could get as many to refute the argument. Therefore, your “denier” argument can be turned on you.

As far as the temperatures continuing its “inexorable rise”, I seem to remember a recent climate change expo in Washington, DC, had to be cancelled due to a massive snow/ice storm. Are you just another “denier”?

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“Hmmmm. Why do they call it Greenland?”

Of all of the nonsense I’ve read here on this topic, this is one of my personal favorites.

And is a testament to how some have intellectually not made any progress in a thousand years or more.

These are the facts and they are irrefutable.

With the release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007, no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change.

NOT ONE! NOBODY. NARY. NADA. ZIP.

And one could easily list at least four DOZEN scientific bodies, many prestigious and with long standing records of acknowledged discovery and excellence, who are in agreement on this matter.

Now, let me ask you conned, exactly how the hell did THAT happen?

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Jay, “credentialed” climatologists? Credentialed by who? Don’t think you could back up your claim.

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Lee –

“Ignorance is bliss isn’t it?”

by all indications, you should know.

godless –

“The change is gradual and so can the solutions be, if necessary.”

and if the change is accelerating (which, according to the evidence scientists are gathering), the solutions should continue to be at the same pace?

“One good volcano can release many times the amount that we do. A couple of trees will offset the CO2 emmisions of an automobile.”

we can’t do anything about the volcanos – but we CAN do something about the autos – particularly if we can’t slow the destruction of the rainforests.

“Yea, it will be harder to drill for oil”

let’s just forget about the destruction of property/farmland/ports, etc … it’s all about drilling

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I seem to remember a recent climate change expo in Washington, DC, had to be cancelled due to a massive snow/ice storm.

This is your brain on Rush.

If movement conservatives were honest enough to admit that they probably believe most of what they’ve heard about climate change, but choose to repeat the “skeptic” riffs in order to advance their real agenda, I might have some respect for them.

But they won’t, so I don’t.

As to what their real agenda is, look no further than Turd’s dark murmurings about those “crooks at the UN.” Essentially, movement conservatives want to ensure that our empire’s grand legacy of imperialism, genocide and resource plundering isn’t tempered by a deathbed confession, that maybe those brown folks in the lands we’d exploited deserved just a little shot of their own, too, and that maybe we should oughta ease up just a little bit in order to let them play a bit of catch-up while we apply a gentle tap on our own brakes. Just to be sporting? We can’t have that. You spoil the natives if you do that.

(Yeah, I exaggerate by as much as 10%, but it’s the Interwebs and I’ve found that this sort of shorthand works way better than the “Public Option of I’ll Pee my Pants” approach.)

Anyway, USinUK, enjoy arguing with mike, the Concern Troll Supremo. Pointless as it may be, I do so enjoy hearing a real pro regurgitate Bush/Cheney’s ca-ca belli.

later, all.

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stands for decibels

My brain on Rush? Are you saying the big meeting in DC that Al Gore was to attend wasn’t cancelled because of the snow/ice storm? If so, you’re brain is dead.

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Yep cap and trade did such a baaaaad job on acid rain……

The Cap and Trade Success Story

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=1085

te hee hee

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Dudley

The list

please

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AmVet, by the way, you said “(And your neighbor up the street who taught phys ed and science in the eighties doesn’t count…”

“Dud”, I wouldn’t bother walking up the street to ask your opinion.

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“My brain on Rush? Are you saying the big meeting in DC that Al Gore was to attend wasn’t cancelled because of the snow/ice storm? If so, you’re brain is dead.”

wow. snow. in DC. in Feb. shocking.

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“let’s just forget about the destruction of property/farmland/ports, etc … it’s all about drilling”

Drill baby, drill. And it will be nice for our oil workers to not have to worry about those pesky Polar bears.

Have you ever seen Venice? Been experiencing sea level rise for years. The people have adapted.

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USinUK, do you not see the irony?

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godless –

“Have you ever seen Venice? Been experiencing sea level rise for years. The people have adapted.”

was there last year … right before it flooded. again.

people haven’t “adapted” – the city is sinking.

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By the way, Repubs, whatever happened to the pre-emptive tactic? Wasn’t that the new end-all, be-all of the Republican party? Prevent a problem before it had a chance to develop into one?

Or was that just an excuse for war? You’re leaders sold that pretty well.

Science is saying things aren’t right and we may, by taking a few measures, be able to prevent some serious problems down the road.

Is that too technical? Maybe we should wait until we get word from our intelligence community?

Perhaps if some terrorist combined global warming with the threat of an attack, you’d be willing to discuss some preemtive measures?

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Taxpayer:
Sorry but you initially chose to respond to me, but then decided to abandon that discussion and move to dinosaurs and soldiers. So I have moved on.

If you want to pick up at the the original points and post something on that, I may still be here.

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Awwww, Joey cannot actually handle a real discussion. Too bad, Joey. I had such high hopes for you. Go back to your whining about others preaching Gospel and failing to see that you are the preacher of said Gospel.

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Mrs. Godzilla

Please move away from watching Oprah and try to stay engaged.

During their two terms in office, Bill Clinton and Al Gore received financial backing from Exxon, BP, and the likes. Taking money is okay but danged if I want your opinion on something as controversial as global warming.

Please don’t let others do your work for you. If you have the facts so blatently in your favor, give us the list. I’ll even give you time to search online for your answer.

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KILL THE COWS!

They cause massive amounts of green house gases, and are unwilling and unable to stop themselves.

Therefore I say we should rid the earth of these mean and hateful animals who care nothing for mother earth.

SO AGAIN KILL EVERY COW YOU SEE!

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“I wouldn’t bother walking up the street to ask your opinion.”

No, likely you are too lazy.

But you’d drive…

Per your request, read away ignormaus!

Note particularly pages 955 – 979. A mere 24 pages of names and respective organizations.

And I’d think even a climatological expert like yourself would recognize those world famous institutions those people are associated with…

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4W…

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“USinUK, do you not see the irony?”

irony = where a conclusion is the exact opposite of what you would expect (i.e, an Olympic swimmer drowns)

a meeting is cancelled because it snowed. in February. /= irony.

now, if it was a meeting on global warming that was cancelled because it snowed in JULY, you might be on to something.

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thomas – no! I like me a good cheeseburger … just lace their hay with bean-o

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See if you can get to the information I linked at 9:33, mystery meat…

If you need help, DO NOT be afraid to ask.

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Ever notice how NO ONE of the warming hysteria can explain the Greenland issue. That between 800-1100 AD that a “natural” cyclical event allowed farming and livestock to thrive during a time when man was present. Perhaps that same phenomenon is occurring now? Anyone? Jay? AmVet? USinUK? Ur so smart…..please explain

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AmVet –

having perused the list of contributors … all I can say is that I don’t envy whoever had to do the roll call …

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Taxpayer:
At 8:36 I responded to your claim that icecap melting is at a critical point by asking:
How many years of photo and other factual evidence of ice cover exist?

An hour or so and several baiting post later you provide me with a video of ice melting a few years ago. I am concluding that your answer to my question is: We have photos, video and factual records from as far back as the summer of 2007.

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Lee, are you serious???

Your premise is ridiculous.

Greenland has a relatively small area along the coasts that are temperate. This is why the Vikings gave it that name. Nothing has changed in this regard.

The Greenland ice sheet (Kalaallisut: Sermersuaq) is a vast body of ice covering 1.71 MILLION square kilometers – roughly 80% of the surface of Greenland.

It is the second largest ice body in the World, after the Antarctic Ice Sheet.

The ice sheet is almost 2,400 kilometers long in a north-south direction, and its greatest width is 1,100 kilometers at a latitude of 77°N, near its northern margin. The mean altitude of the ice is 2,135 meters. The THICKNESS IS GENERALLY MORE THAN 2 km and over 3 km at its thickest point.

It is not the only ice mass of Greenland – isolated glaciers and small ice caps cover between 76,000 and 100,000 square kilometers around the periphery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet

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Joey

How about Glacier national park photos starting 1899….

http://libraryphoto.cr.usgs.gov/hm_archive/2007/hm_july2007.htm

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Mrs. Godzilla, Oprah (or Jerry Springer) must be over. Here’s a link for a quick list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consensus

And your list?

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Mrs. Godzilla,

Here’s another link: http://www.petitionproject.org/

And your list?

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Just remember folks…you are reading insights from a man who votes and supports… all the rest of Congress that have a 23% approval rating.

oh, well that ends my liberalism right there! I’m done with it! Someone tell me what channel fox news is on!

Anyone have an abacus so i can lern cipherin’? I wants ta get ahed in life, pronto!

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Mrs. Godzilla

Here’s a third link: http://www.infowars.net/articles/december2008/101208Warming.htm

And your list?

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Dudley –

I don’t think your list says what you think it says.

you do realize that, out of your list, only 3 scientists truly don’t believe in climate change.

all the rest do believe in it – they differences are that they don’t agree with the rate or severity, they think it’s cyclical or don’t know they source or that they dispute a few of the IPCC findings.

but, again, only 3 scientists don’t think climate change is real.

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USinUK

YOu didn’t read all three links.

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Off topic:

Shouldn’t we start preparing the wingnuts for the unveiling of the Public Option and our new National Health Care System?

I suggest we ease them into it slowly…

Hehehe, this is gonna get UGLY! (Libs, stand back from the exploding gaskets!)

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Ah yes, the famous Global Warming Petition Project.

The one with names like Perry Mason, Geraldine Haliwell (the Spice Girl!) and Robert Byrd?

The one with duplicate names and corporate names?

A farce for losers and flat-earthers.

Dud, you are living up to your name…

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godless heathen

September 25th, 2009
9:57 am

I own 20 acres of trees. Is that enough or shall we compare notes regarding energy efficiency, etc.

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godless –

1-car household, we use mass trans and walk as much as possible, we have an electricity monitor so that we can actively manage our useage, we buy locally as much as possible to reduce produce-travel miles, I have a garden, recycle, and compost.

answer your question?

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And once again, you liberal yahoos like Bookman, TaxCheat and AmVet continue to blame humans for whatever climate change is going on, yet none of you have ever answered the following question:

If man made global warming (or as AmVet loves to use now), anthropogenic climate change exists, and we have done nothing significant environmentally to change our ways (and we have not), why have the past 2 years been cooler than the previous highs?

And sorry, TaxCheat, a poll doesn’t count as proof that it exists. Tool.

Bottom line, climate change is a natural phenomenon, and we are arrogant in the extreme and foolish to think that we have done anything to cause it or can do anything to change it.

But go ahead, mindless zombies, answer my question with FACTS if you can. The facts are as follows:

1. Global climate change exists.
2. We have done nothing significant to change our ways environmentally.
3. There are more humans on the planet than last year and previous years.
4. Global temps are cooler in 2007 and 2008 than in 2006 (and trending cooler in 2009).

Now, prove to me this phenomenon is anthropogenic. I’m sure your responses will be short on FACTS and long on howling.

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Dave R. needs a huuuuug. Come on Dave R. You know it is true. And, you especially like my hugs because they’re specccccial. Now come here and get your hug.

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Dave RRRRRRRRRRRRR! Come here. Let me pinch those cheeks too. They’re just so cute when they get all red like that. You cute little thang.

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Mrs. Godzilla, USinUK, and AmVet

In a matter of 2 minutes I found the 3 links I posted. Can certain elements be picked apart? Of course. But so can the lists you can supposedly provide. As a whole there is enough validity in these lists to draw the conclusion that NOT every scientist is endorsing the Al Gore scorched earth view of global warming.

So not all signees are valid? Sure. Will you admit that all ACORN petitions may have inaccuracies as well? Doubt you’d admit it.

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Dave R –

“why have the past 2 years been cooler than the previous highs?”

wow. so, we’ve been going through a steady increase over the last 100 years, but the last 2 have been cooler …

if the equity market was going through a steady decline over a year, but you saw 2 days of increases, how would you say that fit with the trend?

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

please learn the difference between trend and anomoly.

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“Climate change” alarmism = absurdity

Our grandchildren will curse us for the trillions in debt we are leaving them. Of JB will allude the many economists “from both sides of the aisle” who said we HAD to do “something”.

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“So not all signees are valid? Sure. Will you admit that all ACORN petitions may have inaccuracies as well? Doubt you’d admit it.”

baaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha … when all else fails, yell ACORN!!!

hoooboy, thanks for the laugh, DD …

“Can certain elements be picked apart? Of course.”

CERTAIN elements??? you mean, besides 1 list only having 3 people who don’t believe in climate change, 1 link not actually BEING a list, and 1 list being a bogus petition???

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USinUK, try to “thoroughly” read all three links. It may actually require you to click on a few links. Perhaps you cannot count above 3, I just don’t know.

And your bulletproof list? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

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USinUK

Ya’ know, I think you’re terrific….thanks

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DD –

“And your bulletproof list? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!”

you mean AmVet’s … which was comprised of the scientists who actually worked on the IPCC report.

now, I’ll grant you, they’re no paleontologists …

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Lee –

“See any livestock there?”

ah. yeah.

“During the summer, South Greenland fully lives up to its Danish name, Green Land, as this is the most fertile part of the country. In fact most of the flora of Greenland grow in this particular region. The winter climate is relatively mild, and summer temperatures reaching 16-18°C are not uncommon. Because of these conditions, the economic life of this area is also very different from the rest of Greenland, with sheep farming and agriculture playing an important part. If you take a boat trip along the fjords you will see isolated sheep farms, some of which have paths and rough roads leading to them, while for others the only contact with the outside world is by boat or radio transmitter.

The sheep are rounded up in September, and some 20,000 lambs are taken on flat-bottomed boats to the slaughterhouse in Narsaq, one of the three sizeable large towns in South Greenland.

Many sheep farmers have built cabins near their farms, in which guests can stay for a day or two before they continue on foot to the next farm.

The abundant fertility of this region was also the reason why Eric the Red chose to live in South Greenland in around 985 AD, after he was outlawed from Iceland. ”

http://www.greenland-guide.gl/reg-south.htm

please, lee. stop digging.

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USinUK

The IPCC?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You gotta be shi**ing me? That’s a UN sponsored panel. The UN??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I actually thought you had some good points until you referenced the IPCC?

The UN?? BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Thanks for making my day.

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Mrs. Godzilla

if at first you don’t succeed….

You make an excellent point there, Mrs. G. After all, they have evolved to accept warm yellow rain as a part of their ‘norm’. Warm embraces might be just the ticket.

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Taxpayer –

I didn’t … but I just scrolled back up … I think the graph says it all …

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AmVet –

I don’t know about you, but until this discussion, I didn’t know how much Greenland actually had to offer (have only flown over it on my way to the states) … actually, it looks like a cool place to visit … expecially if you like horseback riding …

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“The IPCC?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You gotta be shi**ing me? That’s a UN sponsored panel. The UN??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I actually thought you had some good points until you referenced the IPCC?
The UN?? BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Thanks for making my day.”"”

That’s not just your sign that’s a billboard!

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USinUK,

Great that you are doing those things. Is your carbon footprint negative? If not you need to do more. Have you switched to that rough TP yet? Have you painted your roof yet?

I see where Al Gore is in NYC painting roofs. I wonder if he has painted the roof of his 10,000 sq ft mansion?

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USinUK, yeah it does look like a great place.

I almost got the chance to spend some time in Iceland courtesy of Uncle Sam, but alas, had to spend seven wonderful weeks in Italy instead.

And I stand by my earlier assertion that in spite of widely disseminated modern knowledge, technology and discoveries, many of the conned-servatives have barely moved out of the Middle Ages.

And in an odd way the flat-earthers are like Yosemite Sam.

But without any occasional charm and self-effacing humor.

But we Bugs Bunnys sure have fun with them…

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Taxpayer –

no video at work

Godless –

thanks for your comments. I’ll take them to heart. really.

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AmVet –

“I almost got the chance to spend some time in Iceland courtesy of Uncle Sam, but alas, had to spend seven wonderful weeks in Italy instead.”

are there any other kind of weeks in Italy??? (heavy, heavy sigh)

my mom served in Reykjavik – from what she told me, Iceland doesn’t sound quite as nice as Greenland … well, unless you like to drink. a lot.

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Mrs. Godzilla,

I see reason and history are concepts you fail to grasp. You and other tree huggers are citing the results of a UN panel. Good grief.

That’s not just your sign, it’s your epitaph. Enjoy your life.

Feel free to continue to respond to me, but I won’t return in kind. It’s useless.

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lee. really. stop. you’re like watching a bad audition on Britain’s Got Talent.

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Dudley

Big ditto dude….

You and climate deniers cite John Coleman…..yikes!

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Lee, sorry, I’m not clear on what you are asking me.

Would you try again?

But you did see the birch trees in that photo, yes?

You did see the flowering valleys, yes?

And you did read about the well developed farming industry with sheep and horses, yes?

And you do realize you made a false contention that they no longer existed, yes?

And you do nonetheless understand that the Greenland Ice Sheet is second only to Antarctica’s in size, yes?

That it is nearly 2 miles thick in places, yes?

Are there any other facts you would like to learn about Greenland. Lee?

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Just wanted to clarify: the nimrod global warming denier posting here is clearly NOT me.

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Dave R –

I did answer your question on the previous page, short-attention-span boy … I suggest you go back.

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Dateline, 2021

Grandson. I really apologize. I tried to stop it, but they had so much control of the media. First President Bush and the Republicans that ran Congress just could not figure how to counter the propaganda that was being spewed by the now defunct major media outlets. See, there were these big companies that were completely in bed with the democrats. So it was no problem installing Obama as president, after the democrats had already began to dismantle our economy.

By the time Obama had been in office for a couple of years, he and the democrats had forced this horrible health care program that we all have to endure, there was little we could all do to stop them from using this crazy myth that the world is overheating.

They claimed that unless we start shutting down major industries, the oceans were going to rise up and consume all the countries of the world. And this was the years that the world’s average temperature had been going down and down and down. Yes, it was crazy that people actually believed this nonsense, but back then, the government had so much control of the media that no one could really stop them. There was FOX News, but Obama shut them down in 2010, just before the Congressional elections where the democrats passed all the laws that said that they could only be replaced after they die. So this is why Obama is still in the white house and the Congress is now considered to be one of the worst governments the world has ever known.

I’m sorry kids. We really did used to have running water in our homes and we had electricity 24 hours a day. We had HUNDREDS of television stations, not the one that we have now. And America was the best country in the world. that’s right, we were even better than China or Iran. Women could wear whatever they want and girls could go to school with the boys.

I’m really sorry kids. Now let’s go back in the house and remember, while we are in the house and within range of the Obamaface Sculpture, we can NEVER talk about any of this. Please promise or I will disappear just like your Mother did for trying to claim that she could have a third child. And PLEASE never tell anyone about that book called the bible that I have been reading out of. If they find out I still have a bible . . . well you know.

And my company has long ago been taken over by the government and the unions, so i won’t have anything to leave you kids.

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The UN is the DEBBIL!!

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And USinUK, your answer was long on crap and short on facts.

If WE are the cause of global warming, as you claim, and there are more people now than before, and we have done NOTHING to change our ways, how can there logically EVER be an anomaly?

If WE are the cause?

There can’t be an anomaly if WE are the cause and WE haven’t changed our ways, fool.

But I know your acquaintance with logic is a bit tenuous. Try again.

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For those not terribly frightened of knowledge, here is some really interesting info on CO2 from those hacks at the American Geophysics Union and the American Meteorological Society.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2007/0603-can_carbon_dioxide_be_a_good_thing.htm

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DD –

“USinUK, are your many facts and positions endorsed by the UN? ”

yep. that’s right. don’t bother addressing the pages and pages of scientists that worked on the report – you just say that it was for the UN so it doesn’t matter.

(UN = ACORN = MoveOn = George Soros = eeeeeeeeeeeeeeebil)

meanwhile, all you can do is produce a 3 scientists who don’t believe in climate change and probably the most poorly executed petition I’ve ever seen headed up by … whom, exactly??? since they don’t list who they are, how they’re funded or where they’re headquartered …

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Dave R has proclaimed that the world is flat and he knows this based on his personal reading of constitutionals. So, the only thing left for Dave R is warm embraces. Come on Dave R and I’ll give you another warm embrace. You sweet thang.

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Here is FACTS that YOU can count on..

Regardless of the whining, the admonishing, the crying, or the taxes and laws passed by B. Hussein and his group of UN losers…
(I really wish a meteor would hit that place during full session..imagine the sight of all those flowing robes and turbans on fire as they flee the building..but i digress..)
….I will Drive a fast sexy looking car that doesn’t need to be plugged in.
….I will not use compact flourescents where not applicable..the light is crap to read by, compared to incandescent.

….I will not sit in heat in the summer and cold in the winter like Jimmy the teeth demanded

In short, I will NOT change my lifestyle for this psuedo science fake crisis.

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USinUK

Still stuck on the number 3? Just can’t read the list, perhaps?

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Oh, one more thing in the idle musing department …
As in so many other scenarios, too bad that the consequences of political actions don’t affect ONLY those making them. Wouldn’t that be nice? Then all the global warming deniers could cheerfully go on freely spewing CO2 into our atmosphere and letting their corporate pals do the same, while continuing to move into, develop and invest in our coastal regions, secure in their beliefs, while the rest of the world acts in accordance to what the weight of scientific opinion suggests.
If wishes were fishes … They could swim along in the rising seas with the climate change naysayers. Too bad that’s not how the universe works.

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DD –

“Still stuck on the number 3? Just can’t read the list, perhaps?”

I did peruse your “list” … however, I’m not quite convinced YOU did …

and, with that, I’m taking my Greenland-loving behind upstairs …

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Taxpayer;
I regret that I had to drop off for awhile. For what it is worth to you, and I will assume that it is worth nothing: The dismissive and superior tone of your comments are cute, and they probably endear you to others who share you views, but that dismissiness and superiority do not strengthen your argument or your point.

In fact they indicate that you have difficulty making a point or participating in a discussion.

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The basic mindset of a troll is that they are far more interested in how others react to their edits than in the usual concerns of accuracy, veracity, comprehensiveness, and overall quality. If a troll gets no response to their spurious post, then they can hardly be considered a troll at all.

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I just don’t understand why the more sensible of you get the strength and patience to argue with these ignorant and detestible bottom feeders.

They should all wear a stamp on their foreheads: “say it loud; i’m ignorant and proud!!”

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AmVet

You seem to possess intimate knowledge into the minds of trolls. Is there something you wish to share with us?

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mm

Perhaps you’re content living in a world mandated by the policies of the United Nations. I, however, prefer the sovereignty that is presently offered by the United STATES.

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Come up with that thought all by yourself, AmVet? Wait! That’s not possible. You haven’t been capable of independent thought for years!

I never thought I’d see the day when someone who claims to be a Vet is found out to be chicken. Either admit you don’t have a logical answer for me, or simply provide one.

If man made global warming (or as AmVet loves to use now), anthropogenic climate change exists, and we have done nothing significant environmentally to change our ways (and we have not), why have the past 2 years been cooler than the previous highs?.

But go ahead, mindless zombies, answer my question with FACTS if you can. The facts are as follows:

1. Global climate change exists.
2. We have done nothing significant to change our ways environmentally.
3. There are more humans on the planet than last year and previous years.
4. Global temps are cooler in 2007 and 2008 than in 2006 (and trending cooler in 2009).

Those are the FACTS AmVet. Either dispute them, or come up with a reason why we should believe all your “scientists” regarding the CAUSE of global warming.

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I can’t see the sky, I’ve handcuffed myself to a tree.

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Well, while you all are fussing they’re letting this Biden speak and try and turn out kids and young people into libruls. I say we go down to all the TV stations and bust in and make them turn him off. NOW WHO’S WITH ME? LET’S GO!

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Redneck Convert, I’m willing to go with you but you must first:

* have someone come pick me up at my house and take me there
* buy me lunch while I’m gone
* register me to vote
* pay me for my time
* have someone take me home
* have someone bring supper because I got back too late to make it

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Carbon emissions, CFC’s, CO2 etc is just all rubbish. This global climate change phenomena can be retroactively traced to the lack of Crop-circles.

YES…since the demise of the once ever popular crop-circle we have seen El Nino, La Nino, severe hurricanes, earthquakes, wildfires and now the Great Flooding of Atlanta.

The sooner the crop-circles begin reappearing the better off we all will be.

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Even an atheist can recognize a religion when he sees one.

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Enjoy your weekend, Taxpayer. What’s this weekend’s theme, the Village People?

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If we keep up the overspending and massive debt they will be cursing to us in Mandarin Chinese.

If we enacted the Kyoto Protocols they would be cursing us out because the buggy needs a knew wooden wheel, the horse has come up limp again and someone needs to dig a new hole for the outhouse.

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