Our grandchildren will curse us to our face
As the father of two children, I really, truly hope these people are wrong. They’re the experts, they’re the best in their field, but I really hope they’re wrong.
Because if they’re right, and I believe that they are, our children and grandchildren are going to curse us for our greed and obstinance, and they will every cause to do so.
“What did you do to stop it?” they’ll ask us, and how will we answer?
“But but but … there were skeptics!”
Somehow, that’s just not going to cut it.
“Climate researchers now predict the planet will warm by 6.3 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century even if the world’s leaders fulfill their most ambitious climate pledges, a much faster and broader scale of change than forecast just two years ago, according to a report released Thursday by the United Nations Environment Program.
The new overview of global warming research, aimed at marshaling political support for a new international climate pact by the end of the year, highlights the extent to which recent scientific assessments have outstripped the predictions issued by the Nobel Prize-winning U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007.
Robert Corell, who chairs the Climate Action Initiative and reviewed the UNEP report’s scientific findings, said the significant global temperature rise is likely to occur even if industrialized and developed countries enact every climate policy they have proposed at this point. The increase is nearly double what scientists and world policymakers have identified as the upper limit of warming the world can afford in order to avert catastrophic climate change.”
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Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
9:12 am
Joey
September 25th, 2009
8:59 am
Taxpayer;
Your post is typical of the Believer.
Unresponsive and acusing.
Is that a yes or a no there, big boy. Show me what you got.
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
9:13 am
AmVet, by the way, you said “(And your neighbor up the street who taught phys ed and science in the eighties doesn’t count…”
“Dud”, I wouldn’t bother walking up the street to ask your opinion.
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
9:14 am
Mrs. Godzilla
Your list please. And not the one constructed by Al Gore.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
9:14 am
“My brain on Rush? Are you saying the big meeting in DC that Al Gore was to attend wasn’t cancelled because of the snow/ice storm? If so, you’re brain is dead.”
wow. snow. in DC. in Feb. shocking.
Joey
September 25th, 2009
9:14 am
With absolutely not apoligies to Jay for plagiarism.
Climate change Believers begin from a simple primise. I cannot chalenge scientist or anything that they may tell me.
Once that position is taken, the enormous human capacity and expertise to rationalize making laws that impact human behaviour begins to kick in.
An objection raised is shouted down and the person(s) objecting are ostracized and condemned. Over time as Believers preach their gospel the unbelievable becomes only questionable, and the questionable becomes a United Nations requirement.
And given the working of the human mind, as long as objections can be drowned out reality can be denied. At some point for many, a tipping point is reached. Those who previously questioned are insolated and find that there is no longer a way to argue their point. It is too late to keep Believers from causing Earth harm. .
Meanwhile, the temperature continues is inexorable decline.
godless heathen
September 25th, 2009
9:16 am
“let’s just forget about the destruction of property/farmland/ports, etc … it’s all about drilling”
Drill baby, drill. And it will be nice for our oil workers to not have to worry about those pesky Polar bears.
Have you ever seen Venice? Been experiencing sea level rise for years. The people have adapted.
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
9:17 am
Read this and let me know what it fails to explain to Your satisfaction regarding consensus. K. Let’s see if there is some common ground.
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
9:17 am
USinUK, do you not see the irony?
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
9:17 am
Oops, that 9:17 was for those looking for info on concensus, like Dudley.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
9:17 am
godless –
“Have you ever seen Venice? Been experiencing sea level rise for years. The people have adapted.”
was there last year … right before it flooded. again.
people haven’t “adapted” – the city is sinking.
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
9:18 am
stands, you are spot on.
tTe “motivation” for the ostriches like Dud is NOT scientific.
It is completely ideology driven.
Even they will not refute the following:
They loathe all things liberal.
This includes their perceived notion that education and academia is liberal.
A very large part of this crowd is fully into religious mysticism and superstition, including the Garden of Eden story and the concept of “Intelligent Design”.
By far, most have NO, nor ever had, mastery of even rudimentary science and mathematics.
But here is the bottom line, everybody knows they cannot possibly SCIENTIFICALLY trump the theory of anthropogenic climate change with a superior one, so they do the ignorant predictable.
They learn” their “science” from morons like Rush who grasps at volcanoes and cows and sunspots and wobbles in the earth’s orbit.
Truly childish attempts.
But, as this nearly universally accepted theory is not “proven” to their satisfaction, it is to be summarily dismissed.
BUT WAIT!
Neither is the theory of gravity!!! And many other equally fundamental parts of the equation.
Uh oh, they might just start floating away…
Finn McCool
September 25th, 2009
9:19 am
By the way, Repubs, whatever happened to the pre-emptive tactic? Wasn’t that the new end-all, be-all of the Republican party? Prevent a problem before it had a chance to develop into one?
Or was that just an excuse for war? You’re leaders sold that pretty well.
Science is saying things aren’t right and we may, by taking a few measures, be able to prevent some serious problems down the road.
Is that too technical? Maybe we should wait until we get word from our intelligence community?
Perhaps if some terrorist combined global warming with the threat of an attack, you’d be willing to discuss some preemtive measures?
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
9:19 am
I’m waiting Joey. You sound like you just want to preach Gospel though. Care to share some data, some facts. Come on, you can do it.
Joey
September 25th, 2009
9:20 am
Taxpayer:
Sorry but you initially chose to respond to me, but then decided to abandon that discussion and move to dinosaurs and soldiers. So I have moved on.
If you want to pick up at the the original points and post something on that, I may still be here.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
9:20 am
Dud, dude – you first
you bragged you could do it
so, come on , do it
“”Jay, I’d be willing to say for every “climate scientist” you can gather to support your beliefs I could get as many to refute the argument.”"
oh and since you’re now into adding comditions please
make sure not to include any body with support from Exxon or BP…..
and hurry
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
9:22 am
Awwww, Joey cannot actually handle a real discussion. Too bad, Joey. I had such high hopes for you. Go back to your whining about others preaching Gospel and failing to see that you are the preacher of said Gospel.
Finn McCool
September 25th, 2009
9:23 am
Venice has adapted all right. They’ve spent millions upon millions dredging the coastline and using the greatest available engineering minds (yeah, that’s science) to create a system of valves and breaks to keep the water back.
Very impressive. Scientists are useful aren’t they?
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
9:25 am
Mrs. Godzilla
Please move away from watching Oprah and try to stay engaged.
During their two terms in office, Bill Clinton and Al Gore received financial backing from Exxon, BP, and the likes. Taking money is okay but danged if I want your opinion on something as controversial as global warming.
Please don’t let others do your work for you. If you have the facts so blatently in your favor, give us the list. I’ll even give you time to search online for your answer.
Joey
September 25th, 2009
9:25 am
Taxpayer:
Interesting challenge. Is he a man or a mouse? Cute. Yes. Effective? No.
My challenge to you is to actually respond to my earlier, that being my 2nd, post; my first response to your post.
thomas
September 25th, 2009
9:26 am
KILL THE COWS!
They cause massive amounts of green house gases, and are unwilling and unable to stop themselves.
Therefore I say we should rid the earth of these mean and hateful animals who care nothing for mother earth.
SO AGAIN KILL EVERY COW YOU SEE!
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
9:27 am
OK, Joey. Here are some pictures for you. Watch the whole thing. Watch carefully and tell me what you see.
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
9:27 am
“I wouldn’t bother walking up the street to ask your opinion.”
No, likely you are too lazy.
But you’d drive…
Per your request, read away ignormaus!
Note particularly pages 955 – 979. A mere 24 pages of names and respective organizations.
And I’d think even a climatological expert like yourself would recognize those world famous institutions those people are associated with…
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4W…
Finn McCool
September 25th, 2009
9:29 am
Dudley, whoever Bill Clinton or Al Gore took money from has nothing to do with the argument at hand.
You are delaying, sir.
Well, I suppose we can now guess where you were going to get your “experts” list from.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
9:30 am
“USinUK, do you not see the irony?”
irony = where a conclusion is the exact opposite of what you would expect (i.e, an Olympic swimmer drowns)
a meeting is cancelled because it snowed. in February. /= irony.
now, if it was a meeting on global warming that was cancelled because it snowed in JULY, you might be on to something.
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
9:31 am
AmVet, nice try. Your link cannot be accessed. Much like your brain.
No, I wouldn’t drive. Not very interested in viewing foreclosed houses.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
9:31 am
thomas – no! I like me a good cheeseburger … just lace their hay with bean-o
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
9:33 am
Damn funky link.
http://www.ipcc-wg3.de/activity/assessment-reports/ar4/working-group-iii-fourth-assessment-report
If you dare, click on the link – Annex III: Contributors to the report
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
9:34 am
See if you can get to the information I linked at 9:33, mystery meat…
If you need help, DO NOT be afraid to ask.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
9:35 am
Finn
From the Discovery Channel:
In 1900, St. Mark’s Square in Venice flooded about 10 times a year. Now water covers it 100 times a year. Global warming is causing sea levels around the world to rise and environmental experts believe Venice may well go the same way as Atlantis.
In September 2003, work began to prevent the city’s 45km of canals from cannibalising its ancient architecture.
Phase one saw dredging machines begin to remove 3.8 million cubic metres of clay from the lagoon bed at the mouth of its three inlets.
This is being replaced with 9m tons of rock and concrete to provide a sturdy foundation to fix the 79 steel floodgates. Each is bigger than a football field and weighs over 300 tons.
When not in use, the gates will lie flat against the lagoon floor. At the threat of a high tide, hydraulic valves can be opened at the flick of a switch allowing the gates to pivot into position.
At a cost of $3 billion, the project isn’t exactly cheap. But then, it’s less than the estimated losses during Venice’s worst ever flood in 1966.
Lee
September 25th, 2009
9:36 am
Ever notice how NO ONE of the warming hysteria can explain the Greenland issue. That between 800-1100 AD that a “natural” cyclical event allowed farming and livestock to thrive during a time when man was present. Perhaps that same phenomenon is occurring now? Anyone? Jay? AmVet? USinUK? Ur so smart…..please explain
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
9:37 am
SO…..
Dudley can’t do it.
After bragging about it…..
What’s the correct term for a guy who can’t back up his big talk?
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
9:38 am
AmVet –
having perused the list of contributors … all I can say is that I don’t envy whoever had to do the roll call …
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
9:40 am
Finn
When you here that slamming sphincter sound you’ll know Dud has
obtained the list he was bragging about.
Joey
September 25th, 2009
9:41 am
Taxpayer:
At 8:36 I responded to your claim that icecap melting is at a critical point by asking:
How many years of photo and other factual evidence of ice cover exist?
An hour or so and several baiting post later you provide me with a video of ice melting a few years ago. I am concluding that your answer to my question is: We have photos, video and factual records from as far back as the summer of 2007.
Finn McCool
September 25th, 2009
9:42 am
And if anyone is planning a trip to Venice, I can suggest a Venice hotel that maintains an apartment one block off St Marks square over the Cartier store that is amazing and also quite affordable.
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
9:44 am
Lee, are you serious???
Your premise is ridiculous.
Greenland has a relatively small area along the coasts that are temperate. This is why the Vikings gave it that name. Nothing has changed in this regard.
The Greenland ice sheet (Kalaallisut: Sermersuaq) is a vast body of ice covering 1.71 MILLION square kilometers – roughly 80% of the surface of Greenland.
It is the second largest ice body in the World, after the Antarctic Ice Sheet.
The ice sheet is almost 2,400 kilometers long in a north-south direction, and its greatest width is 1,100 kilometers at a latitude of 77°N, near its northern margin. The mean altitude of the ice is 2,135 meters. The THICKNESS IS GENERALLY MORE THAN 2 km and over 3 km at its thickest point.
It is not the only ice mass of Greenland – isolated glaciers and small ice caps cover between 76,000 and 100,000 square kilometers around the periphery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet
Donovan
September 25th, 2009
9:47 am
Let me put this into perspective. Obama just finishes his lecturing to the world body at the UN about Gitmo and the environment and his minions start up the liberal quack box. Tucker dutifully writes a blog about Gitmo and Bookman dutifully writes a blog about the environment. Each blog takes us down the twisted path once more in its lunacy from the left. Bookman cites wisdom from his left wing source, the Washington Post, that there is doom and gloom on the horizon like Obama uses in his speeches about the nation always standing on the abyss when he wants to spend into generational debt. I don’t know where Bookman gets his numbers from, but the world is now basically cooling off and has been for the last two years. Amazing how we have not heard from Al Gore since he stole the Peace Prize Award. Just remember folks…you are reading insights from a man who votes and supports people like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Al Franken, Diane Feinstein, Carl Levin, Chuck Shumer, and all the rest of Congress that have a 23% approval rating. Someone please throw a net over these journalistic lunatics who torture us with the real deal; left wing drivel.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
9:49 am
Joey
How about Glacier national park photos starting 1899….
http://libraryphoto.cr.usgs.gov/hm_archive/2007/hm_july2007.htm
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
9:49 am
JB, let my people (and my post at 9:43) go!
(Hang in there Lee.)
Mystery meat, where is your list?
Perhaps you need help with the Google?
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
9:50 am
Mrs. Godzilla, Oprah (or Jerry Springer) must be over. Here’s a link for a quick list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consensus
And your list?
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
9:50 am
“And if anyone is planning a trip to Venice, I can suggest a Venice hotel that maintains an apartment one block off St Marks square over the Cartier store that is amazing and also quite affordable.”
and if you don’t want to stay anywhere near the madness of St. Mark’s Square, I can recommend the Ca Pisani near the Accademia Bridge
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
9:51 am
Mrs. Godzilla,
Here’s another link: http://www.petitionproject.org/
And your list?
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
9:51 am
stole the peace prize……there’s your sign!
Finn McCool
September 25th, 2009
9:53 am
Just remember folks…you are reading insights from a man who votes and supports… all the rest of Congress that have a 23% approval rating.
oh, well that ends my liberalism right there! I’m done with it! Someone tell me what channel fox news is on!
Anyone have an abacus so i can lern cipherin’? I wants ta get ahed in life, pronto!
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
9:53 am
Run along, Joey. You obviously did not watch and comprehend the video given your remarks regarding its content. I hear your mommy calling.
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
9:54 am
Mrs. Godzilla
Here’s a third link: http://www.infowars.net/articles/december2008/101208Warming.htm
And your list?
Turd Ferguson
September 25th, 2009
9:55 am
SPEAKING OF OBOBOCARE>>>!!!
You may have to try times. When I tried there was too much activity on the site.
KEEP TRYING!!!
Please read and act,
only it only takes a minute!
Please pass this on!!
On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a two-page amendment courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn that would require all Members and their staffs to enroll in any new government-run health plan. It took me less than a minute to sign up to require our congressmen and senators to drink at the same trough! Three cheers for Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana!
Congressman John Fleming ( Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt).
Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and sign his petition (very simple – just first, last and email). I have immediately done just that at: http://fleming.house.gov/index.html
. http://fleming.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=55§iontree=29,55
Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!
If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
9:55 am
Dudley –
I don’t think your list says what you think it says.
you do realize that, out of your list, only 3 scientists truly don’t believe in climate change.
all the rest do believe in it – they differences are that they don’t agree with the rate or severity, they think it’s cyclical or don’t know they source or that they dispute a few of the IPCC findings.
but, again, only 3 scientists don’t think climate change is real.
godless heathen
September 25th, 2009
9:57 am
Since the lefties are all so up in arms about global warming and CO2 emissions, I would like to know what they are personally doing about it – not what they want the government to force others to do. Have you foregone soft toilet tissue for the rough and ready kind made from recycled fibers? Have you sold you car and got a bicycle and rickshaw? Have you painted your roof white? Have you disconnected your home heating / cooling system?
Personally I grow enough trees such that I have a negative carbon foot print. (Also enough to cover several hundred of you mid-town libs.) So I do my consuming with a clear conscience.
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
9:57 am
USinUK
YOu didn’t read all three links.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
10:01 am
Dudley
First let’s review the veracity of your list…..
“”Unfortunately, the OISM’s list has had its credibility fabricated for it by individuals and groups as diverse as Steve Milloy of Fox News (see this link for a S&R investigation into the background and tactics of Steve Milloy), L. Brent Bozell of conservative “news” site Newsbusters and founder of the conservative Media Research Center, Benita M. Dodd of the Georgia Public Policy Foundation, the libertarian/conservative site American Thinker (a site that has regularly failed to fact-check their AGW posts), conservative commentator Deroy Murdock (who works on Project 21 with the wife of one of Steve Milloy’s long-time associates), RightSideNews, Dakota Voice, Dennis T. Avery of the Hudson Institute, Lawrence Solomon of the Financial Post, Michelle Malkin, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute, to name just a few of the better known. As a result, the OISM’s petition has been elevated to a level of credibility that is arguably undeserved.”"
lots more here:
http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/08/02/152-oism-scientists-cant-be-wrong/
good list…..not so much.
Finn McCool
September 25th, 2009
10:02 am
Off topic:
Shouldn’t we start preparing the wingnuts for the unveiling of the Public Option and our new National Health Care System?
I suggest we ease them into it slowly…
Hehehe, this is gonna get UGLY! (Libs, stand back from the exploding gaskets!)
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
10:03 am
Dudley
2nd link
has header that says
“The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. ”
good list….not so much
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
10:04 am
Ah yes, the famous Global Warming Petition Project.
The one with names like Perry Mason, Geraldine Haliwell (the Spice Girl!) and Robert Byrd?
The one with duplicate names and corporate names?
A farce for losers and flat-earthers.
Dud, you are living up to your name…
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:04 am
DD –
“YOu didn’t read all three links”
first of all, the infowars list was an article that said 650 scientists disagreed (no list) and then included some edited quotes at the bottom (including one from a paleontologist – so well-versed in meteorology, I’m sure) …
as for your “petition project” … “This petition is primarily circulated by U. S. Postal Service mailing to scientists. Included in this mailing are the petition card, the letter from Frederick Seitz, the review article, and a return envelope. If a scientist wishes to sign, he fills out the petition and mails it to the project by first class mail.”
seriously? I mean. seriously???
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
10:06 am
godless heathen
September 25th, 2009
9:57 am
I own 20 acres of trees. Is that enough or shall we compare notes regarding energy efficiency, etc.
pat
September 25th, 2009
10:07 am
Jay, of course climate change is real. The Earth goes through warming cycles and cooling cycles. Sometimes the cycles are elongated and sometimes they are abrupt. This is normal stuff.
Do you think you are powerful enough to keep the Earth status quo? That is excessively arrogant. The cycles happen and will continue to, period. We are little issue to it. Mean while climate alarmist keep trying to find a smoking gun but they can’t find it. First it was Carbon monoxide, then CFC’s, now it’s CO2. What’s it going to be next, we got to much oxygen?
It’s BS and you people keep falling for it. The climate is made of thousands upon thousands of variables. We cannot accurately predict the weather much less what will happen 10, 20,100 years from now. Remember? More rain on Tuesday, oops never mind, but it’s really going to rain Thursday! Um, ok. We’ll try again today.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:10 am
godless –
1-car household, we use mass trans and walk as much as possible, we have an electricity monitor so that we can actively manage our useage, we buy locally as much as possible to reduce produce-travel miles, I have a garden, recycle, and compost.
answer your question?
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
10:11 am
Dudley
3rd link
good list….not so much
http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/11/inhofe-morano-recycles-long-debunked-denier-talking-points-will-the-media-be-fooled-again/
Dave R.
September 25th, 2009
10:11 am
And once again, you liberal yahoos like Bookman, TaxCheat and AmVet continue to blame humans for whatever climate change is going on, yet none of you have ever answered the following question:
If man made global warming (or as AmVet loves to use now), anthropogenic climate change exists, and we have done nothing significant environmentally to change our ways (and we have not), why have the past 2 years been cooler than the previous highs?
And sorry, TaxCheat, a poll doesn’t count as proof that it exists. Tool.
Bottom line, climate change is a natural phenomenon, and we are arrogant in the extreme and foolish to think that we have done anything to cause it or can do anything to change it.
But go ahead, mindless zombies, answer my question with FACTS if you can. The facts are as follows:
1. Global climate change exists.
2. We have done nothing significant to change our ways environmentally.
3. There are more humans on the planet than last year and previous years.
4. Global temps are cooler in 2007 and 2008 than in 2006 (and trending cooler in 2009).
Now, prove to me this phenomenon is anthropogenic. I’m sure your responses will be short on FACTS and long on howling.
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
10:13 am
pat, we can observe our surroundings. we can gather data and we can identify change versus time from that data. Did you watch the video that I posted at 9:27 for Joey. Take the time to watch the entire video. There is a lot of information contained in it.
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
10:15 am
Dave R. needs a huuuuug. Come on Dave R. You know it is true. And, you especially like my hugs because they’re specccccial. Now come here and get your hug.
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
10:17 am
Ptolemy, Copernicus, Magellan, Newton, Galileo, Darwin, Scopes and countless others.
These were all enemies to the science-averse.
Fortunately the Duds of the world will have virtually no say in this matter going forward…
Besides their successful predictions, climate scientists have been assembling a “body of evidence that has been growing significantly with each year,” Mann said.
Data from tree rings, ice cores and coral reefs taken with instrumental observations of air and ocean temperatures, sea ice melt and greenhouse gas concentrations have all emerged in support of climate change theory.
“There are 20 different lines of evidence that the planet is warming,” and the same goes for evidence that greenhouse gases are increasing in the atmosphere, Schmidt said. “All of these things are very incontrovertible.”
In Newton’s seminal “Principia Mathematica,” he noted that if separate data sets are best explained by one theory or idea, that explanation is most likely the true explanation.
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
10:17 am
Dave RRRRRRRRRRRRR! Come here. Let me pinch those cheeks too. They’re just so cute when they get all red like that. You cute little thang.
RW-(the original)
September 25th, 2009
10:18 am
Enter your comments here–I’ll no longer accommodate the inadequacies of this blog platform by erasing before I post so from now until the IT ferrets fix the software every post of mine will be preceded by the “enter your comments here” message.
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Climate researchers now predict the planet will warm by 6.3 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century even if the world’s leaders fulfill their most ambitious climate pledges,…
There might actually be a kernel of truth here since the earth has been going through these cycles for millions of years. Unless, of course, you’re stupid enough to believe this is man made. We may even find ourselves with a whole slew of brand new species on the back end just like we did during the Cambrian warming period.
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
10:18 am
Mrs. Godzilla, USinUK, and AmVet
In a matter of 2 minutes I found the 3 links I posted. Can certain elements be picked apart? Of course. But so can the lists you can supposedly provide. As a whole there is enough validity in these lists to draw the conclusion that NOT every scientist is endorsing the Al Gore scorched earth view of global warming.
So not all signees are valid? Sure. Will you admit that all ACORN petitions may have inaccuracies as well? Doubt you’d admit it.
Dave R.
September 25th, 2009
10:19 am
Typical TaxCheat. Long on foolish, short on intelligence.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:19 am
Dave R –
“why have the past 2 years been cooler than the previous highs?”
wow. so, we’ve been going through a steady increase over the last 100 years, but the last 2 have been cooler …
if the equity market was going through a steady decline over a year, but you saw 2 days of increases, how would you say that fit with the trend?
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif
please learn the difference between trend and anomoly.
Finn McCool
September 25th, 2009
10:21 am
Dave R., I don’t see anyone here trying to emphasize WHO or WHAT is causing global climate change. No one is caught up in the blame game.
The simple fact is, who or what is capable of maybe altering that change? The plants aren’t going to change their day-to-day activities to change the trajectory. Animals, well, I don’t see them doing much on their own to help out (though I’m sure the polar bears would help out if they could grasp the idea.)
The evidence is in and we are the only ones who can be pro-active in changing the trajectory. We are way past the blame game. Move to the next level.
Pokey
September 25th, 2009
10:21 am
“Climate change” alarmism = absurdity
Our grandchildren will curse us for the trillions in debt we are leaving them. Of JB will allude the many economists “from both sides of the aisle” who said we HAD to do “something”.
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
10:21 am
Dave RRRRRRRRRRR! Come on now you sweet little thang. Come get that hug. You’re just so cute especially with that steam coming out of your cute little ears.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:22 am
“So not all signees are valid? Sure. Will you admit that all ACORN petitions may have inaccuracies as well? Doubt you’d admit it.”
baaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha … when all else fails, yell ACORN!!!
hoooboy, thanks for the laugh, DD …
“Can certain elements be picked apart? Of course.”
CERTAIN elements??? you mean, besides 1 list only having 3 people who don’t believe in climate change, 1 link not actually BEING a list, and 1 list being a bogus petition???
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
10:23 am
Taxpayer
maybe it’s the term you use….try “warm embrace” instead of hug.
if at first you don’t succeed….
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
10:24 am
USinUK, try to “thoroughly” read all three links. It may actually require you to click on a few links. Perhaps you cannot count above 3, I just don’t know.
And your bulletproof list? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Finn McCool
September 25th, 2009
10:24 am
We may even find ourselves with a whole slew of brand new species on the back end just like we did during the Cambrian warming period.
The Wingnutters are the first new species I’ve spotted…odd little creatures. Quite disturbed, panties constantly in a wad.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
10:25 am
USinUK
Ya’ know, I think you’re terrific….thanks
Lee
September 25th, 2009
10:25 am
AmVet, geologists and archaeologists have found remnants of birch tree forests off which the Vikings lived upon. See any birch trees in Greenland lately? See any livestock there? Nice try…next!
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:27 am
DD –
“And your bulletproof list? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!”
you mean AmVet’s … which was comprised of the scientists who actually worked on the IPCC report.
now, I’ll grant you, they’re no paleontologists …
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
10:27 am
USinUK,
Did you see the paper that I posted at 9:17 regarding consensus. The Order of the Deniers would not know the truth if it bit them in the buttocks, repeatedly, and there is even years of data to support that fact. It too is undeniable, unless you are one of them. Oh, Dave RRRRRRRRR! Come here and get that hug.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:29 am
Lee –
“See any livestock there?”
ah. yeah.
“During the summer, South Greenland fully lives up to its Danish name, Green Land, as this is the most fertile part of the country. In fact most of the flora of Greenland grow in this particular region. The winter climate is relatively mild, and summer temperatures reaching 16-18°C are not uncommon. Because of these conditions, the economic life of this area is also very different from the rest of Greenland, with sheep farming and agriculture playing an important part. If you take a boat trip along the fjords you will see isolated sheep farms, some of which have paths and rough roads leading to them, while for others the only contact with the outside world is by boat or radio transmitter.
The sheep are rounded up in September, and some 20,000 lambs are taken on flat-bottomed boats to the slaughterhouse in Narsaq, one of the three sizeable large towns in South Greenland.
Many sheep farmers have built cabins near their farms, in which guests can stay for a day or two before they continue on foot to the next farm.
The abundant fertility of this region was also the reason why Eric the Red chose to live in South Greenland in around 985 AD, after he was outlawed from Iceland. ”
http://www.greenland-guide.gl/reg-south.htm
please, lee. stop digging.
Dave R.
September 25th, 2009
10:29 am
Thanks for NOT even trying, USinUK. Your stupidity is matched by your choice of countries (and your politics).
Stick with me here. Try. I know you have it in you.
You claim man is the cause of global warming.
There are more humans on the planet than ever before.
We have done nothing significant to change how we approach the environment.
Yet temps have gone down the past 2 years and probably the current one.
If we are the cause, there logically cannot BE an anomaly, unless something ELSE is the cause of global warming.
I know logic is something you aren’t very well acquainted with, but try again.
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
10:31 am
USinUK
The IPCC?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You gotta be shi**ing me? That’s a UN sponsored panel. The UN??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I actually thought you had some good points until you referenced the IPCC?
The UN?? BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Thanks for making my day.
Betula pubescens
September 25th, 2009
10:32 am
See any birch trees in Greenland lately?
What am I, chopped liver?
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
10:32 am
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
10:23 am
Taxpayer
maybe it’s the term you use….try “warm embrace” instead of hug.
if at first you don’t succeed….
You make an excellent point there, Mrs. G. After all, they have evolved to accept warm yellow rain as a part of their ‘norm’. Warm embraces might be just the ticket.
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
10:33 am
Lee, would those be similar to these? Or maybe the exact same?
But keep on grasping at those GREEN straws!
South Greenland is a region full of contrasts, known for its FLOWERING and FERTILE valleys, ice-filled fjords, numerous glaciers and mineral-rich mountain landscapes. The region has a well-developed farming industry with EXTENSIVE GRAZING PASTURES for sheep and horses and some of the best-preserved Norse ruins. Whether you are interested in Inuit or Norse history, ice or minerals of all types, hunting and fishing or just magnificent scenery, then South Greenland has it all.
http://en.sl.life.ku.dk/Faciliteter/GroenlandsArboretet/Skovplantninger.aspx
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:33 am
Taxpayer –
I didn’t … but I just scrolled back up … I think the graph says it all …
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
10:34 am
Dave RRRRRRRRR! Come here you sweet little thang and get your ‘warm embrace’. hehehe
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:34 am
AmVet –
I don’t know about you, but until this discussion, I didn’t know how much Greenland actually had to offer (have only flown over it on my way to the states) … actually, it looks like a cool place to visit … expecially if you like horseback riding …
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:35 am
Betula –
you made me snort
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
10:36 am
“The IPCC?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You gotta be shi**ing me? That’s a UN sponsored panel. The UN??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I actually thought you had some good points until you referenced the IPCC?
The UN?? BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Thanks for making my day.”"”
That’s not just your sign that’s a billboard!
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
10:37 am
USinUK,
have you watched the video that I posted for Joey at 9:27. It is really a good presentation. I hope this guy is able to keep spreading the word.
godless heathen
September 25th, 2009
10:37 am
USinUK,
Great that you are doing those things. Is your carbon footprint negative? If not you need to do more. Have you switched to that rough TP yet? Have you painted your roof yet?
I see where Al Gore is in NYC painting roofs. I wonder if he has painted the roof of his 10,000 sq ft mansion?
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:39 am
DD –
“The UN???”
oh, dear. I see someone hasn’t bothered to look at the SCIENTISTS who made up the panel … talk about people too lazy to read …
http://www.ipcc-wg3.de/activity/assessment-reports/ar4/.files-ar4/Annex-III.pdf
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
10:41 am
USinUK, yeah it does look like a great place.
I almost got the chance to spend some time in Iceland courtesy of Uncle Sam, but alas, had to spend seven wonderful weeks in Italy instead.
And I stand by my earlier assertion that in spite of widely disseminated modern knowledge, technology and discoveries, many of the conned-servatives have barely moved out of the Middle Ages.
And in an odd way the flat-earthers are like Yosemite Sam.
But without any occasional charm and self-effacing humor.
But we Bugs Bunnys sure have fun with them…
TnGelding
September 25th, 2009
10:41 am
Snatched!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8CNa_viKg0
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:41 am
Taxpayer –
no video at work
Godless –
thanks for your comments. I’ll take them to heart. really.
Lee
September 25th, 2009
10:42 am
AmVet, so the Vikings lived for 500 yrs prior to the little ice age when only the Inuits could live. So where did all those Greenhousd gases come from back in the days of the Vikings?
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
10:43 am
AmVet –
“I almost got the chance to spend some time in Iceland courtesy of Uncle Sam, but alas, had to spend seven wonderful weeks in Italy instead.”
are there any other kind of weeks in Italy??? (heavy, heavy sigh)
my mom served in Reykjavik – from what she told me, Iceland doesn’t sound quite as nice as Greenland … well, unless you like to drink. a lot.
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
10:44 am
The Order of the Deniers. Who are they, you might ask. What a group. I think most of their research comes from Am Spec and their naval fuzz.
Dudley Doright
September 25th, 2009
10:45 am
Mrs. Godzilla,
I see reason and history are concepts you fail to grasp. You and other tree huggers are citing the results of a UN panel. Good grief.
That’s not just your sign, it’s your epitaph. Enjoy your life.
Feel free to continue to respond to me, but I won’t return in kind. It’s useless.