Our grandchildren will curse us to our face
As the father of two children, I really, truly hope these people are wrong. They’re the experts, they’re the best in their field, but I really hope they’re wrong.
Because if they’re right, and I believe that they are, our children and grandchildren are going to curse us for our greed and obstinance, and they will every cause to do so.
“What did you do to stop it?” they’ll ask us, and how will we answer?
“But but but … there were skeptics!”
Somehow, that’s just not going to cut it.
“Climate researchers now predict the planet will warm by 6.3 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century even if the world’s leaders fulfill their most ambitious climate pledges, a much faster and broader scale of change than forecast just two years ago, according to a report released Thursday by the United Nations Environment Program.
The new overview of global warming research, aimed at marshaling political support for a new international climate pact by the end of the year, highlights the extent to which recent scientific assessments have outstripped the predictions issued by the Nobel Prize-winning U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007.
Robert Corell, who chairs the Climate Action Initiative and reviewed the UNEP report’s scientific findings, said the significant global temperature rise is likely to occur even if industrialized and developed countries enact every climate policy they have proposed at this point. The increase is nearly double what scientists and world policymakers have identified as the upper limit of warming the world can afford in order to avert catastrophic climate change.”
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stands for decibels
September 25th, 2009
7:38 am
“But but but … there were skeptics!”
Also, we had to “teach the controversy.” We’re sorry about that, too.
Normal
September 25th, 2009
7:40 am
MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
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Ever see the movie “Water World”? I wonder if that’s our gift to our
Grandkids. Just think, everywhere would be beach front
Doggone/GA
September 25th, 2009
7:45 am
“everywhere would be beach front ”
Ummm…if the whole world is covered in water, then NOWHERE is beachfront!
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 25th, 2009
7:46 am
The libs can’t destroy the United States with a second porkulus package or their health care bill, the citizenry has wised up on those sinister schemes, so they double down on their “global warming” scare fantasy.
Looks like there is another protest in our future, Conservatives.
March on!
stands for decibels
September 25th, 2009
7:47 am
Grandkids, keep in mind too that such intellectual powerhouses as Kyle Wingfield encouraged us not to pay a whole lotta heed to alarmist types.
mike
September 25th, 2009
7:49 am
Will someone please tell me what the correct temperature for the earth should be? Moving forward, how much effort should we spend keeping the temperature constant, as opposed to accepting the same temperature fluctuations that have effected the earth for as long as it existed?
Turd Ferguson
September 25th, 2009
7:49 am
Speaking of OboboCARE…
You may have to try times. When I tried there was too much activity on the site.
KEEP TRYING!!!
Please read and act,
only it only takes a minute!
Please pass this on!!
On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a two-page amendment courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn that would require all Members and their staffs to enroll in any new government-run health plan. It took me less than a minute to sign up to require our congressmen and senators to drink at the same trough! Three cheers for Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana!
Congressman John Fleming ( Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt).
Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and sign his petition (very simple – just first, last and email). I have immediately done just that at: http://fleming.house.gov/index.html
. http://fleming.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=55§iontree=29,55
Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!
If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families.
Easy as pie...
September 25th, 2009
7:50 am
The self hatred by the left is rather amusing.
mike
September 25th, 2009
7:51 am
sfb –
“Grandkids, keep in mind too that such intellectual powerhouses as Kyle Wingfield encouraged us not to pay a whole lotta heed to alarmist types.”
Got any refutation for his argument? Or are we just to accept his writing as intrinsically wrong because and “intellectual powerhouse” like you disagrees with him?
Zedd
September 25th, 2009
7:52 am
It’s more likely our kids and grandkids will curse us for the taxes they’ll have to pay due to the Obumbler’s spending and not being able to enjoy the same freedom and liberties we’ve enjoyed.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
7:52 am
Jay,
They won’t curse you or I…..or lots of folks who have since that first earth day and every day after recognized the importance of and fought for the proper stewardship of our planet.
They will be really mad at Andy though. Really mad.
TnGelding
September 25th, 2009
7:52 am
Isn’t it too late now to do anything about it? They’ll just have to adjust. And Mother Nature could make it moot at any instant.
mike
September 25th, 2009
7:54 am
Normal -
“Ever see the movie “Water World”? I wonder if that’s our gift to our
Grandkids. Just think, everywhere would be beach front ”
Well if you look at the geological history of the earth since Pangaea, you will that there is a ton more “beachfront property” than there used to be. Pretty amazing that the bulk of that change happened before man existed.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
7:54 am
well, mike, there’s always this:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOlWiujpOldgk2YCQMLpBQStXRMAD9AT58IG0
New satellite information shows that ice sheets in Greenland and western Antarctica continue to shrink faster than scientists thought and in some places are already in runaway melt mode.
British scientists for the first time calculated changes in the height of the vulnerable but massive ice sheets and found them especially worse at their edges. That’s where warmer water eats away from below. In some parts of Antarctica, ice sheets have been losing 30 feet a year in thickness since 2003, according to a paper published online Thursday in the journal Nature.
Some of those areas are about a mile thick, so they’ve still got plenty of ice to burn through. But the drop in thickness is speeding up. In parts of Antarctica, the yearly rate of thinning from 2003 to 2007 is 50 percent higher than it was from 1995 to 2003.
TnGelding
September 25th, 2009
7:55 am
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 25th, 2009
7:46 am
…and on, and on….into the sea!
I tend to agree with you on this one, but we certainly need to be aware of the harm we’re doing to our environment and take reasonable corrective actions.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
7:57 am
… and what will it mean if the ice melts and the sea level rises?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g5Rypcx89nBaZm90KTK-6C56pdIw
Delta land vulnerable to serious flooding could expand by 50 percent this century if ocean levels increase as expected under moderate climate change scenarios, the study projects.
Worst hit will be Asia, but heavily populated and farmed deltas on every continent except Australia and Antarctica are in peril, it says.
mike
September 25th, 2009
7:57 am
Here is an interesting video of the folks who made the latest global warming alarmist film. The thrust of the movie is that airline traffic is destructive and that flights should be curbed in developing nations. Guess how the movie’s makers got to the premiere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-cvK9vxA6M
DAVID
September 25th, 2009
7:59 am
They did not forecast all this rain & the flooding…..yet liberals believe in the HOAX of Global Warming………GIVE ME A BREAK..
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
7:59 am
“Delta land vulnerable to serious flooding could expand by 50 percent this century”
and the impact won’t just be on food – it’s also going to be on international finances as P&C insurance companies are forced to pay out on damages and as the economics of those regions collapse …
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
8:00 am
the hoax of glbal warming……there’s your sign!
Normal
September 25th, 2009
8:01 am
Doggone: Perhaps I should have said “Boat Front”…
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Mike: I’m thinking if this keeps up my property might be beach front for the new Eastern American Sea…
TnGelding
September 25th, 2009
8:01 am
Zedd
September 25th, 2009
7:52 am
Well, unless corporate America regains its senses, it’s not going to matter. They’ll be on the dole.
Joey
September 25th, 2009
8:02 am
Jay;
I responded in the previous post.
Normal
September 25th, 2009
8:02 am
Just because David doesn’t believe it, doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen, huh folks?
Turd Ferguson
September 25th, 2009
8:04 am
Oh yea…its GLOBAL HYSTERIA!!!
mike
September 25th, 2009
8:04 am
USinUK –
“well, mike, there’s always this:”
I am confused. Is this a response to something I said,
Reagardless, as your article states:
“Some scientists have previously estimated that steady melting of the two ice sheets will add about 3 feet, maybe more, to sea levels by the end of the century. But the ice sheets are so big it would probably take hundreds of years for them to completely disappear.”
Looks like they were off by a few hundred years. In a few years they will probably say it will be thousands of year.
I don’t think that we should rush into some economy-crippling plan to address climate change when the scientists assumptions are constantly proven to be incorrect and when we have no idea whether any of the proposed actions will even address the problem.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
8:05 am
here’s the thing:
which is going to be more expensive/worse for everyone: being wrong about climate change and doing something about carbon emissions ??
being right about climate change and NOT doing something about carbon emissions?
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
8:06 am
Well, if we melt enough ice, then we will solve our drought and transportation problems. I see houseboats and homes built on those big chunks of styrofoam and an increased propensity for seafood. Now, let’s see. Where did all that arctic ice go? Oh yes. Andy now claims that it is floating around in the form of antarctic sea ice. hehehe. Truthers, birthers, deniers. Hey, you right wing nutter butters. Two out of three ain’t bad.
mike
September 25th, 2009
8:07 am
Normal –
“Just because David doesn’t believe it, doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen, huh folks?”
Kind of like it is gonna happen because you believe it? Do you really think your brilliant “waterwold” quip is some kind of definitive argument?
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
8:07 am
USinUK,
It is much more important to funnel resources into finding that long form. After all, we have a limited time before the earth floods and then it will be lost forever.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
8:08 am
mike –
“I don’t think that we should rush into some economy-crippling plan to address climate change when the scientists assumptions are constantly proven to be incorrect and when we have no idea whether any of the proposed actions will even address the problem.”
you’re missing the point – whether the train is heading towards you at 100 mph or 60 mph, it’s still heading towards you.
whether the ice shelves are melting at a faster or slower rate than previously estimated, they’re still melting.
and do you really think that lowering our carbon emissions could possibly be a BAD thing???
jconservative
September 25th, 2009
8:09 am
“…the significant global temperature rise is likely to occur even if industrialized and developed countries enact every climate policy they have proposed at this point.”
Jay, this sentence says it will happen regardless of what we do.
And we know the planet’s governments will do nothing. We know the USA will do nothing. Once an item hits the political arena nothing gets done except in very rare cases.
If our great or great-great grand-kids curse us, then they will have a very large dictionary of curse words to choose from. Hey they can call us pinko commie socialist. Or maybe right wing nazi nuts. That’s is one thing we have been doing real well recently, cursing each other in the political arena.
Doggone/GA
September 25th, 2009
8:09 am
“I’m thinking if this keeps up my property might be beach front for the new Eastern American Sea”
Wasn’t there some conman back in the 70’s who was trying to sell land in California as “future beachfront” when the San Andreas fault finally split and all of California west of the fault “fell into the sea”?
Bill White
September 25th, 2009
8:09 am
So what if the Earth’s temp goes up a few degrees? Just crank up the AC and buy more fans. Who care if the ice caps melt? That’s just more water for us. How about finding ways to ship that extra water to places that need it like in the middle of Africa or California.
See, it’s that easy. Bookman and Algore want to scare you so that they can tax you and take your hard earned dollars to redistribute to people that don’t deserve it.
Are you poor? Get help at your church.
Do you need water? Dig a well and get it yourself.
Don’t like how the roads are built? Privative them and let good companies like Walmart build a stretches of road. Buses and trains are collectivist transportation modes. Let’s end them and make gasoline-powered cars more available. Then you liberal secular progressive will say, “Gee Bill, you’re putting more cars on the road and that causes pollution and global warming.” Shut up, you dumb whiners. If more folks could get around on their own, then they can easily find jobs and expand this economy which contracted from Hussein Obama’s recession.
See, it’s all simple you idiot secular progressives. My ideas would greatly reduce gov’t-leaving more money in everyone’s pocket.
If we reduced gov’t and instituted something like the FAIR Tax — and I know Bookman starts to shake and cry about this — then we would be far more prosperous.
Instead, poor Jay and his fellow Communist bed-wetting friends in the MSM and gov’t want to expand gov’t.
Al Goron
September 25th, 2009
8:09 am
Watching the floods in GA this week and Anartica melting has made me soil myself. Tipper…where are my rubber underpants?
mike
September 25th, 2009
8:10 am
USinUK –
The agument you made is pure Dick Cheney, except he said:
“which is going to be more expensive/worse for everyone: being wrong about Iraq’s WMD and ensuring that he does not have them??
being right about WMD and and NOT ensuring that he does not have them?”
I’d accuse you of fear-mongering, but we all know that only conservatives do that.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
8:10 am
mike –
oh, and the post was a reponse to your comment about refuting Kyle W. who said that climate change is alarmism.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
8:10 am
bed wetting….there’s your sign!
godless heathen
September 25th, 2009
8:11 am
After reading the headline, I thought this column was going to be about the debt that out of control Federal spending is going to stick them with.
USinUK
September 25th, 2009
8:12 am
“which is going to be more expensive/worse for everyone: being wrong about Iraq’s WMD and ensuring that he does not have them??”
wow. so you’re comparing something that we had NO evidence of (other than the magic UN photos of trucks that “could be harboring germ warfare labs”) to something that we have daily evidence of …
mmmmmkay …
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
8:14 am
Ok try this…..if the ice cap melts all the water will roll off the edge of the flat earth and you won’t be able to make beer for lack of sky blue waters.
How can so many be so blind to the mess we have made?
AmVet
September 25th, 2009
8:15 am
Other than a dwindling handful of nobodys, there is no real doubt about the conclusions.
Anthropogenic climate change is not even in serious dispute anymore.
Not among anyone other than the neo-conned…
Normal
September 25th, 2009
8:15 am
Mike, I don’t envy you your sense of humor. What I believe or not has nothing to do with the fact that the ice IS melting…for what ever reason. In your post below to Jay you said, and I’m paraphrasing here, that in global subjects there is more entrenchment and sniping due to minds made up. Is that what you are trying to do to me now? Do you believe the ice is melting or not? I do. I don’t know why it is and I don’t care, but I am concerned that it is. But save your bullets for someone else, I really don’t have the time to exchange shots with you.
Turd Ferguson
September 25th, 2009
8:16 am
Because there is no mess.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 25th, 2009
8:20 am
Turd
No mess?
Have a big refreshing tumbler of water direct from the hooch….after
an hour or two they’ll start calling you Loosey Goosey Ferguson.
No mess indeed.
Taxpayer
September 25th, 2009
8:21 am
Dick Cheney! Isn’t he another one of those Republican conservatives that said that deficit spending doesn’t matter. He should have finished his sentence to include “as long as it is a conservative Republican deciding what to spend it on.” They like spending borrowed money on tax cuts and wars.
godless heathen
September 25th, 2009
8:21 am
Consider these possibilities:
Global warming is a real long term trend and not a blip on the long time line of history.
Global warming is caused by the activity of man.
Global warming is bad.
We can do something about it.
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To justify drastic action, all of the above must be true. Put me in the skeptical column.
Turd Ferguson
September 25th, 2009
8:22 am
Oh…all this great information from the Crooks at the UN. Typical marketing ploy…create a need then fill it.
stands for decibels
September 25th, 2009
8:25 am
wow. so you’re comparing something that we had NO evidence of (other than the magic UN photos of trucks that “could be harboring germ warfare labs”) to something that we have daily evidence of …
Huh? You weren’t so distracted by our troll’s extree-special use of Dick Cheney as a distraction that your normal powers of deductive reasoning weren’t rendered impotent?
mike, move back three spaces.
Joey
September 25th, 2009
8:25 am
I believe in proper stewardship of our planet. I do not believe that Earth is threatened by an excess of Carbon dioxide and other green house gases. like water vapor.
Labeling me and others who do not buy into this unproven theory as skeptics, is merely an attempt dismiss us. It will not be that easy to do. Using the skeptics word to belittle us implies that believers are actually religious about this issue. And surprise, surprise, they are.
The so call proof(s) that exist regarding Global Warming or if you prefer the new spin name, Global Climate Change is data from computers. I don’t fault the computers, but we all know that computers run software. Software is written by people. The software does what the writers ask it to do.
If you choose to then believe these scientist. In my view the scientist are much like politicians. Their primary job is to justify their own jobs and to be funded and funded again to do more studies. And that is exactly what they have done and continue to do.
In the 60s and 70 we were moving into a cold stretch so their studies indicated the need for further studies of this dangerous cooling trend. Then we entered a warming stretch, and their studies found reason to fear and of course to study that. Now we are either cooling or temporarily stalled or something so it let’s call it something bigger, let’s call it Climate Change.
Thank you very much, but no.