Gen. McChrystal squelches talk of pressure, resignation

In a post about Afghanistan the other day, I included reports suggesting that Gen. Stanley McChrystal might resign if President Obama did not approve committing additional troops.

McChrystal has now stepped forward, forthrightly and professionally, to end that speculation and to endorse the debate now taking place in Washington. As the New York Times reports it:

General McChrystal said he agreed to speak to The New York Times on Wednesday after he became increasingly concerned about reports of rifts between the military and the civilian leadership, and about rumors he was considering resigning if his assessment was not accepted.

The general denied that he had discussed — or even considered — resigning his command, as had been whispered about at the Pentagon, saying that he was committed to carrying out whatever mission Mr. Obama approved.

“I believe success is achievable,” he said. “I can tell you unequivocally that I have not considered resigning at all….”

“This is the right kind of process, and the way I see duty,” he said. “I have been given the opportunity to provide my inputs to the decision. Then it is my duty to execute that decision.”

I’m glad the general set the record straight.

214 comments Add your comment

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
12:55 pm

Ok, so we have a plan for “success” as defined by the military.

The question for America is is that “success” required?

Normal

September 24th, 2009
12:58 pm

GENERAL McCRYSTAL, TELL THE PRESIDENT TO BRING YOUR BUTT HOME NOW!

Normal

September 24th, 2009
12:59 pm

AND BRING ALL THE OTHER TROOPS BACK WITH YOU!

david wayne osedach

September 24th, 2009
1:05 pm

A General reliazes his potential by engaging in and winning wars. They abhor peace. The Afghanistan conflict speaks for itself.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 24th, 2009
1:07 pm

Well, I reckon it’s only a matter of weeks before this Gen. McCrystal steps down. When they say they won’t never do it or when their boss says he’s got 110% confidence in them, you know the end is near. People learnt how to flat-out lie good during the PR boom in the 1950s, and they’ve been getting better at it every year.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Jay

September 24th, 2009
1:07 pm

To Mrs. G:

Complicating the picture further, McChrystal’s report says that the current approach can’t succeed and that his recommended approach COULD succeed.

COULD, not WOULD.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
1:14 pm

He’ll execute that decision but which decision is that decision and how does that decision fit in with his decision.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
1:15 pm

Jay…. ain’t that a tinkler!

Perhaps our $$$$ would be better spent here at home…..

Najibullah Zazi has been indicted on a charge of conspiracy to use a weapons of mass destruction — explosive bombs — the Justice Department has announced.

here

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/alleged_terror_plotter_indicted.php?ref=fpb

Donovan

September 24th, 2009
1:27 pm

Batter Up, Democrats! This is your war now. Let’s see how you all handle it. I shall give you a clue as to how you will improve your chances of losing it. Don’t seriously consider the recommendations of a professional counter insurrgency general. Listen to the utterings of a political left wing hack senator, Carl Levin of Michigan. Put your faith in a “community organizer” who is controlled by peolple like Harry Reid (”the war is lost”), and Nancy Pelosi (”the CIA lied”). Follow the pulse of the liberal news media. And emulate LBJ’s handling of the war in Viet Nam. Good luck, liberals.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
1:31 pm

Donovan,

We have competent people on the job.

Normal

September 24th, 2009
1:35 pm

The haters are still going to hate and never, ever will they take owership of the fact that they started it. They are soooo happy to give it away though and then complain when it isn’t going well. I just don’t know what to say about that…

mike

September 24th, 2009
1:36 pm

Normal –

Left a response for you downstairs.

Stop being so angry. Or you can stop calling other people angry. Or you can be a hypocrite. Whichever.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
1:36 pm

Normal at 1:35,

Sit back. Relax. Enjoy watching the hate consume the chosen ones.

mike

September 24th, 2009
1:37 pm

Normal –

“The haters are still going to hate and never, ever will they take owership of the fact that they started it. They are soooo happy to give it away though and then complain when it isn’t going well. I just don’t know what to say about that…”

Who are “the haters”?
Who do they hate?
What is the “it” that they refuse to take ownership of?

You are really ranting today.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
1:37 pm

Donovan

We COULD take most nations on the planet…..the question is
SHOULD we?

What say YOU Donovan, do we stay or do we go?

mike

September 24th, 2009
1:38 pm

“Enjoy watching the hate consume the chosen ones.”

Oh please. As this board clearly illustrates there is plenty of hate on both sides. Look at you for instance.

Paul

September 24th, 2009
1:39 pm

And that is as it should be.

The military does not make policy, they carry it out.

It’s gotta be tough, for the military, tough. Pres Obama announces a new strategy in March. The General does his duty and outlines what it’ll take to accomplish it. Then the Commander in Chief says, I’m not sure we have the right strategy. I want to look at it further.

Always good to reconsider… but after just a few months it smacks of politically-driven dithering. Who knows. Maybe VP Biden’s view will prevail this time.

Now for the next question: who began the whispering campaign (I’m being polite – they were lies) and what did they stand to gain?

mike

September 24th, 2009
1:41 pm

Just remember that if you don’t share Normal’s or Taxpayers’s views, you are an angry hater. Oh yeah, and a racist too.

We all need to take a lesson from these guys on tolerance. I mean look how tolerant they are.

Paul

September 24th, 2009
1:41 pm

Normal

[[The haters are still going to hate and never, ever will they take owership of the fact that they started it. ]]

You’re not saying Democrats (who are they, ‘the lovers?’) weren’t every bit as enthusiastic about starting Afghanistan, are you?

mike

September 24th, 2009
1:45 pm

Paul –

No, don’t you remember? Bush lied to get us into Afghanistan and any Democrat who agreed was tricked into it.

Paul

September 24th, 2009
1:50 pm

mike

What I do remember is Democrats used Afghanistan as a cudgel to beat Bush during the dark days of Iraq. “You’re ignoring the good war” they said. “You took your eye off the ball.” “We can’t do the job in Afghanistan because you have all those troops tied up in Iraq.”

Well, now Iraq’s not an issue, troops are being withdrawn, some months will go by and they’ll all be gone (?) and there are plenty to send to Afghanistan.

And Democrats say, ‘hey….. wait a minute….”

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2009
1:51 pm

“I just don’t know what to say about that…”

I know what to say, but the Blog God wouldn’t let me do it.

mike

September 24th, 2009
1:52 pm

“I know what to say, but the Blog God wouldn’t let me do it.”

Don’t talk about Normal like that. He may criticize the behavior of others, but he is OK.

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2009
1:53 pm

“Don’t talk about Normal like that.”

Your mind reading abilities haven’t improved I see.

Hater

September 24th, 2009
1:55 pm

Dont hate the player hate the game.

Ya’ll be drinking too much Hater-aid.

mike

September 24th, 2009
1:57 pm

Doggone –

It was a joke, but you are too quivering with rage to see it.

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2009
1:58 pm

Now for the next question: who began the whispering campaign (I’m being polite – they were lies)

Former Vice-President Dick Cheney.

and what did they stand to gain?

Nothing. He did it because he is simply evil. Or so I heard.

Seriously, who knows. from where I sit it’s likely some reactionary element in the military who might be pressuring Obama to do other stuff (keep DADT alive another year? Or just continue hiring this or that contractor?) and is flexing its muscles by proving it can steer public debate when it wishes.

But that’s just a SWAG.

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2009
2:01 pm

Put your faith in a “community organizer”

Donovan, how long was Obama actually working as a community organizer?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:04 pm

Who here thinks we should send more troops to AFghanistan?

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:04 pm

sfb –

“Donovan, how long was Obama actually working as a community organizer?”

13 years.

“Obama’s self-conception as an organizer isn’t just a campaign gimmick. Organizing remained central to Obama long after his stint on the South Side. In the 13 years between Obama’s return to Chicago from law school and his Senate campaign, he was deeply involved with the city’s constellation of community-organizing groups”

http://www.pickensdemocrats.org/info/TheAgitator_070319.htm

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:05 pm

Mrs. Godzilla –

I don’t know and I feel fortunate that I don’t have to make the decision.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
2:07 pm

mike

September 24th, 2009
1:38 pm
“Enjoy watching the hate consume the chosen ones.”

Oh please. As this board clearly illustrates there is plenty of hate on both sides. Look at you for instance.

Oh please! Well, all you had to do was ask. Now come here and get that hug. You know you want it.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:09 pm

thanks, mike

anybody else wanna go out on a limb and tell us…do we stay or do we go?

Captain Underpants

September 24th, 2009
2:10 pm

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:04 pm
Who here thinks we should send more troops to AFghanistan

We need to double-down!

Normal

September 24th, 2009
2:11 pm

Paul Mike, Haters are haters, not Democrats, not Republicans, just haters. They know no other way to espouse their cause. Too many wedges have been driven between moderates and fanatical right and left wing hateres. We don’t need that. Our nation won’t heal with that. That’s all I’ve been trying to say…What the world needs now is love sweet love. Can’t anybody understand that?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:11 pm

hate….like the lynching in KY?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:13 pm

So Captain Underpants…..double down?

80m troops? I don’t believe the General thinks thats enough.

By the way, I love your books!

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:15 pm

Normal –

Is this how you are going to live up to your request that we ignore each other? :)

Well your expanded defintition of “hater” is not in line with your earlier angry rant. How does your suddenly bi-partisan definition of “hater” fit your statement:

‘“The haters are still going to hate and never, ever will they take owership of the fact that they started it. They are soooo happy to give it away though and then complain when it isn’t going well. I just don’t know what to say about that…””

So it was “haters” in both parties who boosted the war? Does that mean that you think Obama is a hater?

You make no sense.

So

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:16 pm

Mrs G –

“hate….like the lynching in KY?”

Tough to say. Could just be a nutcase. We’ll see.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
2:16 pm

I agree, Normal. There are far too many wedgies in the world. People, like mike and Dave R, cannot love with all these wedgies in the world. The world needs fewer wedgies. And, more hugs. mike needs lots more hugs.

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:17 pm

Taxpayer –

Having some trouble with that cutting and pasting? And I though that your math skills were your biggest problem. LOL

Normal

September 24th, 2009
2:18 pm

PAUL: mike

September 24th, 2009
1:45 pm
Paul –

Mike said: (wrongly, I might add)
No, don’t you remember? Bush lied to get us into Afghanistan and any Democrat who agreed was tricked into it.

I know you know better but Mike seems to have forgotten her history. Afghanistan was where we sould have been in the first place and not left until the job was done, Mike’s Hero/fantasy lover “W” just had to invade a country that had nothing to do with the attack on us.
I never said the Dems were wrong about Afghanistan but I will go to my grave believing that they were lied to about Iraq. Sorry…

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:19 pm

And here come the ultimate admission of defeat in an argument: the “hug” talk.

md

September 24th, 2009
2:19 pm

I say stay as long as the Afghans match any troop numbers, if they refuse to do so, let them sink or swim on their own. They don’t have enough skin in the game and are quite happy to let us do all the dirty work while they battle for their little fifedoms.

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2009
2:21 pm

“It was a joke, but you are too quivering with rage to see it.”

Yep, you DEFINITELY need to work on that mind reading…it’s getting worse and worse

md

September 24th, 2009
2:21 pm

“80m troops? I don’t believe the General thinks thats enough.”

80 million troops? wow, planning on taking over the planet?

GayGrayGeek

September 24th, 2009
2:21 pm

mike, instead of hobby-horsing your dislike for all of us who don’t share your views, why not try to meaningfully contribute to the topic-du-hour?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:21 pm

mike

is there any reason other than hate to lynch a 51 year old single father and carve the word fed on his chest?

insanity? perhaps. but i think hate is itself insane.

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:24 pm

Normal –

Ahh. So this is how you are going to “ignore” me? By responding to my points with me in the third person? I won’t waste my time.

“I know you know better but Mike seems to have forgotten her history. ”

Ahh, reinforcing the angry misogyny. It;s interesting that you think that it is an insult to call me “she”. Says a lot about you.

“Afghanistan was where we sould have been in the first place and not left until the job was done, Mike’s Hero/fantasy lover “W” just had to invade a country that had nothing to do with the attack on us.”

So you are saying that if we had flooded Afghanistan with troops, everything would be fine?

Any evidence for this? If this is the case, surely you will support a large escalation.

“I never said the Dems were wrong about Afghanistan but I will go to my grave believing that they were lied to about Iraq. Sorry…”

LOL. You mean Bill and Hillary were lied to and that is how they came their policy position? LOL You are pathetic.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:25 pm

md

m….. representing roman numeral for 1000, as in per M
pricing…..used in manufacturing all over the world.

md

September 24th, 2009
2:25 pm

“Afghanistan was where we sould have been in the first place and not left until the job was done”

Wasn’t the “job” to drive the Taiban from power and find OBL? The Tailban is out of power and OBL is out of the country, so what are we doing exactly?

Normal

September 24th, 2009
2:25 pm

Mike: Well your expanded defintition of “hater” is not in line with your earlier angry rant. How does your suddenly bi-partisan definition of “hater” fit your statement:

You don’t know me very well because you never take off your red state glasses. I am neither Dem or GOP. If your eally read what I wrote you would know that.
——————–
So it was “haters” in both parties who boosted the war? Does that mean that you think Obama is a hater?

What kind of leap in logic is this? after I already posted: “Haters are haters, not Democrats, not Republicans, just haters”.
And you say I make no sense…wow

Turd Ferguson

September 24th, 2009
2:25 pm

Mrs G –

“hate….like the lynching in KY?”

Probably was some revenuer sniffing around for trouble or was caught stealing some mighty fine corn liquor. Didnt you see Coal Miners Daughter?

When it come to selling corn liquor those fellers dont play.

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:27 pm

Mrs. Godzilla –

“is there any reason other than hate to lynch a 51 year old single father and carve the word fed on his chest?”

Well, I doubt whoever killed him knew all of that, but yes, insanity would be my first guess.

“insanity? perhaps. but i think hate is itself insane.”

Hmm. I think most psychiatrists would disagree. There are various degrees of hate and many of them are rational, if not correct.

For example, there are plenty of hateful people on this blog, but only a few are insane :)

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:28 pm

md

current afghan army between 88 and 92M…..

so you’re with the double down guy and again the General says that number won’t cut it.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
2:28 pm

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:17 pm
Taxpayer –

Having some trouble with that cutting and pasting? And I though that your math skills were your biggest problem. LOL

Alas, mike, the cut portion of the cut-n-paste did get a wee bit excessive. I must watch that in the future and do it more often since it appears to have brought at least a little smirk to your lips, between sips. And, you can be certain that your ‘thoughs’ about my math skills are what they are. Now, do you need another hug. You just give me the word. I’m here for you, mike. You can come here any time you need a hug. Really. My work now is to provide comfort to those suffering from the pains of hate in addition to reminding them of what they hate from time to time. So, cheer up, young man. You have your life and health and happiness and wealth and everything else ahead of you. Most importantly, you have us.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:30 pm

md

congrats on this

“The Tailban is out of power and OBL is out of the country, so what are we doing exactly?”

now can you rethink that number of US troops you want to put in?

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2009
2:31 pm

mike, you’re not Donovan. And Obama did not work as a community organizer for 13 years.

He actually worked for the Developing Communities Project from June 1985 to May 1988.

And from April to October 1992 he directed Illinois’s Project Vote.

So that’s more like 3½ years where “community organizer” would be his full-time gig.

I only mention this because some in here are genuine in their belief that our President’s only gig prior to being elected US Senator was as a “community organizer.” People tend to forget stuff like, oh, those 7+ years as an IL state senator.

Normal

September 24th, 2009
2:32 pm

md: you said: “Wasn’t the “job” to drive the Taiban from power and find OBL? The Tailban is out of power and OBL is out of the country, so what are we doing exactly”?

have you been sick? the Taliban are not out of power in Afghanistan, they are more entrenched there than when the U.S.S.R was there. Why do you think McCrystal is asking for more troops? Just to rake leaves, perhaps? And can you say for a fact that OBL in not in Afghanistan? Or just repeat the reports he MIGHT be in Pakistan?

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:33 pm

Normal –

Try to stay with me here.

You ‘said “The haters are still going to hate and never, ever will they take owership of the fact that they started it.”

Obama was among the huge proponents of the war and like all of us who were, we are responsible for starting it. He certainly has done his part to cheerleader for it over the past few years.

My question is whether or not you consider Obama a hater for his part “starting the war”. That was probably a bad example. Let me pick a better example.

Is Hillary one of the “Democrat and Republican haters” who started the war?

Your original diatribe was clearly directed at Republicans.I just want to see if your expanded definition includes any specific Democrats.

Johnny Bravo

September 24th, 2009
2:34 pm

Clowns never laughed before,
Beanstalks never grew.
Ponies never ran before
Till I met you
Surf never broke before
Artists never drew.
Snow never fell before
Till I met you.
My dream came true,
My dream came true.
The world spins my life begins
‘Cause I met you.
Phones never rang before,
Wise men never knew.
No one ever loved before,
Till I met you.
Clowns never laughed before,
Beanstalks never grew.
Ponies never ran before
Till I met you
Surf never broke before
Artists never drew.
Snow never fell before
Till I met you.

mike

September 24th, 2009
2:35 pm

stands for decibels –

Well my timeline actually has a source and a liberal one at that.

Where is your source?

Also, what did he do between 92 and 97?

For the record, I have no issue with Obama’s resume, but I wanted to answer your question.

Normal

September 24th, 2009
2:36 pm

MIKE: I believe President Obama voted against the war…

md

September 24th, 2009
2:37 pm

“current afghan army between 88 and 92M…..

so you’re with the double down guy and again the General says that number won’t cut it.”

Finance world uses k, not m for thousand, but anyway…..

I’m for doubling down if that is the decision with the caveat that the Afghans supply the doubled down troops.

USinUK

September 24th, 2009
2:40 pm

md –

sorry to carry this on from downstairs, but … the 6 guys you mention had violations to their tourist visas, but that doesn’t mean that they remained in the country the entire time – visa violations can mean that they didn’t notify authorities of where they were staying, overstayed, worked, any number of things.

also, overstayed doesn’t mean they came in and stayed – it just means that they stayed longer than their 6 months allotment.

and, again, I refer you to the same site:

*** All made a number of trips abroad during their extended stays in the United States.*** Of the other 15, only Mihdhar entered the United States, left, and returned. Nawaf al Hazmi arrived in January 2000
with Mihdhar and stayed. Al Mihdhar left in June 2000 and returned to the United States on July 4, 2001. Ten of the others came in pairs between April and June 2001. Three more arrived through Miami on May 28.

they did not arrive during the Clinton administration and stay on.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
2:41 pm

M is used for 1000 and MM for one million. Lower-case m is meter. Definitions are very important.

md

September 24th, 2009
2:41 pm

“the Taliban are not out of power in Afghanistan, they are more entrenched there than when the U.S.S.R was there”

There is a difference between “in power” and “in the country”. They are no longer the gov’t.

As for OBL, someone may want to tell our forces they are looking in the wrong place if you know otherwise:

“WASHINGTON, June 11 (Reuters) – CIA Director Leon Panetta said on Thursday the U.S. intelligence agency believes al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan and hopes joint operations with Pakistani forces will find him.

Asked whether he was sure that bin Laden was in Pakistan, Panetta told reporters: “The last information we had, that’s still the case.”"

Paul

September 24th, 2009
2:47 pm

Normal 2:18

Nothing to apologize for. And I thought mike was being a bit sarcastic.

Mrs Godzilla

Interesting responses to your Afghanistan question. But regarding this:

[[md

congrats on this

“The Tailban is out of power and OBL is out of the country, so what are we doing exactly?”

now can you rethink that number of US troops you want to put in?]]

That situation existed a few months after we invaded. All the Democratic attacks on Pres Bush occurred years later – when Democrats spoke of finishing the job, etc. So it seems many, many Democrats were a little slow on the uptake.

What I’m interested in is, what happened to change Democrats’ minds about the good war? What exactly changed that made so many on the Left who a short time ago were cheerleaders to now want to clear out?

md

September 24th, 2009
2:48 pm

“the 6 guys you mention had violations to their tourist visas, but that doesn’t mean that they remained in the country the entire time –”

It doesn’t mean they left either. I have yet to see any info that definitive.

” Nawaf al Hazmi arrived in January 2000 with Mihdhar and stayed”

This statement says they “stayed”, and that would be Clinton’s term.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:49 pm

Paul

What changed?

The number of American kids required to get the job done. (could be)

No shame is re-thinking that subject to my mind.

md

September 24th, 2009
2:50 pm

“M is used for 1000 and MM for one million. Lower-case m is meter. Definitions are very important.”

Depends on which system one uses, and in finance, k is thousand and m is million.

Normal

September 24th, 2009
2:51 pm

md

September 24th, 2009
2:41 pm
md, they govern whereever they are in control. The Afghani government can’t/won’t do the job…sorry

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2009
2:51 pm

“And can you say for a fact that OBL in not in Afghanistan? Or just repeat the reports he MIGHT be in Pakistan?”

And if the original goal was to “get” him…well, we haven’t accomplished that yet…have we?

USinUK

September 24th, 2009
2:51 pm

md –

“It doesn’t mean they left either. I have yet to see any info that definitive. ”

what part of “All made a number of trips abroad during their extended stays in the United States” seems to elude you?

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 24th, 2009
2:51 pm

I’ll be glad when McCrystal gets Congress to pass a Draft. Otherwise, he’s not getting the troops he asks for.

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2009
2:52 pm

For the record, I have no issue with Obama’s resume, but I wanted to answer your question.

Fair enough.

I grabbed the dates from wiki; I have no reason to think they’re off, since the positions are a matter of public record.

As to what he did between ‘92 and ‘97, looks like he was both a lecturer at Harvard Law School (some take exception to calling him a “Professor” since that formal title means something else, but most would call him “professor” I guess). He was also an associate at the Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland law firm.

There was also the writing and publication of “Dreams from my father” in ‘95.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:52 pm

Oh and congrats and welcome Senator Kirk!

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2009
2:54 pm

meant to write: “looks like he was both a lecturer and a senior lecturer at Harvard…” @ 2.52

Normal

September 24th, 2009
2:55 pm

Paul: you said, “What I’m interested in is, what happened to change Democrats’ minds about the good war? What exactly changed that made so many on the Left who a short time ago were cheerleaders to now want to clear out?”

My version…I think, I hope they realized that too much time has passed and the effort will be unwinnable. I hate that term “good war”.
Ben Franklin said, “there is no such thing as a good war or a bad peace”.
works for me :-)

md

September 24th, 2009
2:55 pm

“The Afghani government can’t/won’t do the job…sorry”

Then that sounds like a personal problem – for them.

Normal

September 24th, 2009
2:56 pm

Oh and congrats and welcome Senator Kirk!

aptian Kirk’s a Senator? OMG!!!

Normal

September 24th, 2009
2:57 pm

Beam me up Scotty, there is no hope no more…

TnGelding

September 24th, 2009
2:58 pm

Good for him. It’ll be interesting to see what his input is.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
2:58 pm

Some call the President “spock”, now Kirk……

Perhaps we shall all live long and prosper!

Paul

September 24th, 2009
3:00 pm

Mrs. Godzilla

[[What changed?

The number of American kids required to get the job done. (could be)

No shame is re-thinking that subject to my mind.]]

No, none at all. But it does see a bit strange that in a fight that Pres Obama says is ‘critical to protecting the United States’ (very strong words) some want to back out if it takes more troops than a fraction of what we had in Iraq.

Seems a far cry than the attitude of our parents and grandparents in WWII. I doubt that was ever a consideration.

So it would appear many Democrats either don’t believe Pres Obama, or do believe him but are not willing to support him.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
3:00 pm

Depends on which system one uses, and in finance, k is thousand and m is million.

As long as those you work with agree. Otherwise, you could have problems.

pat

September 24th, 2009
3:01 pm

Give the general what he needds to acomplish this very important mission. We must win, soon and must win decisivly. Pussy-footing around will only extend this conflict. More intelligence, more weapons and more troops. End it by winning it, quickly. Everyday the conflict continues, lives get lost. We cannot afford to play politics fight to win, win big.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
3:02 pm

“Live long and prosper!” Make it so.

md

September 24th, 2009
3:04 pm

“what part of “All made a number of trips abroad during their extended stays in the United States” seems to elude you?”

Ohhhh, snarky.

If you take that statement, and realize that some came in as early as Jan 2000, they could leave and come back all under Clinton’s term. I have yet to see a timeline on all 19 hijackers, if you are privy to that info, please post it, but what you have posted so far is open ended and open to interpretation. No where does it say “all 19 did such and such”, all made a number of trips tells one nothing except they went out and back, does not say when.

USinUK

September 24th, 2009
3:05 pm

taxpayer –

I thought “make it so” was Capt Picard … whereas Kirk was more “can’t … stay … awake … losing … consciousness … “

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
3:05 pm

What happened to mike. Was there too much love to go around. Not enough hugs. mike. mike. where are you, mike.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
3:07 pm

USinUK,

“Make it so” was Picard. But, Kirk and Picard crossed paths in one of the movies where time had folded back onto itself and I just couldn’t resist.

@@

September 24th, 2009
3:09 pm

Barack Obama is, without a doubt, the most ineffectual leader this country has ever had and that includes Jimmy Carter. Barack Obama is WORSE than Jimmy Carter.

Without ever resolving existing problems he’s out there creating fantasies than he can aspire to solve. What he seeks in self-importance….nothing more.

A world without nuclear weapons!!?!!

Gimme a break.

This country is flying on auto-pilot. We don’t have a leader. We have a DiC! Dreamer in Chief.

USinUK

September 24th, 2009
3:10 pm

md –

it’s not snark. it really is being dumfounded.

you were asserting that they came and stayed (which is how they eluded authorities, by “falling through the cracks” as you put it) when the record clearly says they all came and went from the mid-1990s through 2001.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 24th, 2009
3:10 pm

Paul

It only seems strange if the addition of more troops is the only way to protect America.

A far cry from WWII, you betcha’. Then everybody made sacrifices, not so much now though. Does anybody really think Americans would allow the rationing of eggs, sugar, coffee, tires, silk, nylon, gas etc to do to war in Afghanistan?

ANd I don’t get you last statement at all.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 24th, 2009
3:10 pm

Mike–

You no know how use the google or the bing? You no know how read books?

Obama directed Project Vote in Chicago in 1992 after graduating from Harvard cum laude and rejecting numerous offers for six figures in law firms and federal law clerkships that would have allowed him to gain jobs with higher salalries. For the next 12 years in addition to serving in the legislature, he taught classes at U Chicago Law as an adjunct (part time prof) and joined a law firm in Chicago, Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, , a law firm of 12 attorneys that specialized in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004.

Taxpayer

September 24th, 2009
3:13 pm

@@ made a funny.

Turd Ferguson

September 24th, 2009
3:14 pm

DiC…LOL…Yeppers!

All this junk about eliminating nuclear weapons. Thats a good one. Lets destroy all our so we might be attacked…Great idea, Barry.

Paul

September 24th, 2009
3:15 pm

Mrs. Godzilla

[[ANd I don’t get you last statement at all.]]

I wrote “Pres Obama says (Afghanistan) is critical to protecting the United States’ (very strong words).

If he says that means continuing to wage war there, and Democrats are not willing to support that, that is why I said “So it would appear many Democrats either don’t believe Pres Obama, (that it is critical to protecting the US) or do believe him but are not willing to support him (by doing what he wants in Afghanistan).”

mike

September 24th, 2009
3:16 pm

Public Option’s Doing Swell –

Yes, and by Obama’s own account he was a community organizer during that time. For example, in 95 (during that time period) ACORN was one of his clients.