Time to wean Ga.’s jobless from taxpayer support, right guys?

The official unemployment rate in Georgia is 10.2 percent, which means that more than one of 10 Georgians who want a job can’t find one. Unfortunately, that  number that doesn’t fully describe how widespread the problem has become, because it doesn’t include those who have simply stopped looking in an economy in which a single advertised job can attract thousands of applicants.

All in all, almost 240,000 jobs have disappeared from Georgia in the last year.

Last night, the U.S. House of Representative voted 331-83 in favor of a 13-week extension of unemployment benefits in high-unemployment states, defined as those with an unemployment rate of 8.5 percent or higher for the last three months.  That would include Georgia and 28 other states. The check isn’t a lot — it maxes out at $355 a week here in Georgia — but for many households it’s the only income they can depend upon.

(UPDATE: I just got off the phone with the state Department of Labor. According to their estimates, as many as 40,000 Georgians would lose their unemployment benefits by the end of the year — and in many cases their only source of income — without legislation extending those benefits.)

Six of Georgia’s 13 congressmen voted AGAINST extending unemployment benefits to fellow Georgians out of work.

They were:

U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, R-Athens, Phone  (202) 225-4101

U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, R-Gainesville, Phone (202) 225-5211

U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Marietta, Phone (202) 202-225-2931

U.S. Rep. John Linder, R-Duluth, Phone (202) 225-4272

U.S. Rep. Tom Price, R-Roswell, Phone (202) 225-4501

U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, Coweta County, Phone (202) 225-5901

I’ve included the Washington phone numbers of each of those congressmen just in case anybody wanted to phone their office to make their opinions heard.   If you hear any interesting explanations for the vote, feel free to post those responses in the comments below.

I should also note that the bill next makes its way to the U.S. Senate, where Johnny Isakson (202-224-3643) and Saxby Chambliss (202-224-3521) will be asked to vote on it.

256 comments Add your comment

ByteMe

September 23rd, 2009
1:04 pm

Just because you call doesn’t mean they actually hear your opinion unless you first accept Jesus Christ and Rush Limbaugh as your personal saviors…..

GayGrayGeek

September 23rd, 2009
1:09 pm

ByteMe – Tsk, tsk, tsk. You seem to forget that the Wingnuts have proclaimed Obama to be “The Messiah”. They must believe it, given how often they repeat it, so one must accept the POTUS, as well.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
1:10 pm

Jay

If the politician in the White House that you support would maybe start making an attempt at helping the owners of small businesses instead of paying off fat cat banks, maybe the economy would improve and people would start finding jobs.

No one likes being on unemployment and strangely enough, you left out where those benefits would come from.

**Extending unemployment-insurance benefits will support the recovery at a critical turning point, Mr. McDermott said. He also said the legislation is being funded by extending a small tax on employers so it does not increase the federal deficit.**

So once again, small businesses are left to take it on the chin because this administration is incompetent.

Why can’t you tell the whole story, Bookman. Are you that afraid of the truth?

ByteMe

September 23rd, 2009
1:12 pm

Except for Broun, who’s definitely out there in loony-land, the rest aren’t true wingnuts.. they’re just deluded by their own wrong ideas.

Turd Ferguson

September 23rd, 2009
1:13 pm

I agree with unemployment benefits being extended.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
1:13 pm

Or maybe if we could get a single-payer system, then businesses wouldn’t be spending a large percentage of their profits on health care for their employees and could hire more people.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
1:15 pm

ByteMe, GayGrayGeek

Do you really need to call? They are going to tell you that they are trying to offer some relief for small businesses that are stuck paying those benefits. In spite of what you are told here and other liberal; sites, there is a reason why Republicans want to support business and get our economy back on it’s feet. I would think that eventually, you will start to wonder why the economy just keeps getting worse and worse.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
1:16 pm

I’d hate to have their karma.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
1:17 pm

Bosch

**Or maybe if we could get a single-payer system, then businesses wouldn’t be spending a large percentage of their profits on health care for their employees and could hire more people.**

Congratulations. You have finally figured out why most Republicans believe that the “Public Option” would destroy our health care system.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
1:18 pm

“the economy is getting worse and worse”…..there’s your sign.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
1:18 pm

NIF,

“the “Public Option” would destroy our health care system”

Oh, please, do tell.

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
1:20 pm

Jay, I really need to know why my 11:42 downstairs was moderated. Please!

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
1:21 pm

Normal,

Did you refer to an alcoholic adult beverage as the word that starts with a “c” followed by the word tails? I did that once, and the Blog God got me. It took me a good five minutes to figure out what’d I’d done.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 23rd, 2009
1:24 pm

Phoning those six numbers or the numbers of Chambliss and Issackson for anything the Repubozos don’t support is like going out in the street, getting on your knees, and talking to the curb. It would do that much good.

Money talks in the Senate and House for Repubozos–hooker-john is the only paradigm that matters.

Zedd

September 23rd, 2009
1:24 pm

Where are all the new jobs we were told would come as a result of passing the stimulus?

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
1:24 pm

Bosch

**Oh, please, do tell.**

Yep. Caught you making sense so you certainly need to come back on that one.

So make up your mind: If corporations would make much more profit by paying the fines and dumping health care coverage, why would they not do that? And if they did, what would that mean to the insurance companies and the drug companies?

Think really hard now. What would happen.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
1:24 pm

Bosch

I noticed where universal healthcare has turned Sweden, the UK, Canada
and Germany into slimy cesspools full of terrorists and gays, who read
newpapers, eat organic and practice safe sex.

It’s sooooooooooooooooosad.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 23rd, 2009
1:25 pm

Bosch–

What’s wrong with the word cocktails?

Paul

September 23rd, 2009
1:26 pm

Jay

Good to see you’re into public service announcements.

‘Twas noted in a local paper the other day that after all the hoopla by the Texas governor over the bad stimulus, secession and all the other nonsense…

that he took the stim money and used it to fund Medicaid and a host of other social service programs.

I hope he gets defeated. Kinky Friedman’s looking pretty good right about now.

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
1:26 pm

BOSCH. I used the word Peter

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
1:27 pm

nope, that wasn’t it… :roll:

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
1:27 pm

Mrs. Godzilla

I’m just not a “sign” person. I have noticed that only radical liberals and radical Christians use bumper stickers, both having a strong desire to preach at strangers.

Also liberals are so full of hate that they would probably slash my tires and I always buy good tires.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 23rd, 2009
1:28 pm

Boy are the stupid comments flowing. The Clintons didn’t pass anything to help insurance companies in 1994. Get mommy to read from the history books.

So it’s the evil health insurance companies that strangely enough gained almost unlimited power the last time the dims tried to pass Universal Health Insurance. All the things that the dms are complaining about was granted by the Clintons. Hello Hillary. Helloooooo HMOs. Yes, they had been around since Nixon, but they had never given that kind of power.

Totally false. Where is your documentation of this absurd fiction? The fact is that the Clinton’s did not grant or pass anything as to health care reform and they did not grant insurance companies anything. I would delight in seeing any evidence that the insurance companies “gained almost unlimited power..granted by the Clintons.” Only a drunk child would think a President could issue an executive order to legislate for insurance companies, and Republicans have passed laws to give them the domniant power they have including 94% of the US covered by only two of them in exchange for money outlined in the links I’ve provided.

And the insurance companies have doubled rates in the last ten years, and are projected by Kaiser Family Foundation and Healthcare America Now to triple rates in the next 10 years and in a rush to raise premiums because they fear their whores on Senate Finance won’t come through for them (correct) in 5 states insurance companies have raised premiums in the past 3 weeks from 22% in Michigan to 30% in 4 other states.

The insurance companies will drop 430 Georgians today this afternoon before 5PM and 14,000 Americans, because they got very sick. They have as much as doubled and tripled rates for patients with minor pre-existing conditions, sometimes as innocuous as acne.

Only a child thinks the Clintons “granted [a damn thing].” President’s don’t grant insurance companies breaks, although Rahm Emanuel has tried.

Congress passes the laws. Insurance companies operate with congress in a relationship best termed whore-john. The john (insurance company) pays the whore for services. It’s been called the world’s oldest profession, and the dynamic or platform or paradigm is alive and well in Congress, and particularly at the Senate Finance Committee during the past ten years and particularly during this summer–specifically money to Republicans and Blue Dogs.

If you want to see tangible evidence of payment for the granting of services (and the turning of the trick is being defeated right now in Senate Finance by Democrats) turn on your TV. The payments by insurance companies for carte blanche to do what the want is catalogued at

http://www.opensecrets.org

http://www.campaignmoney.org/threevotes

Cherokee

September 23rd, 2009
1:29 pm

I called Dr. Price’s office and got the same runaround I get when I write him. Along the lines of “thank you so much for your input.” Public Option, you’re so right…

Price is a moron…

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 23rd, 2009
1:29 pm

The italicized words above were the complete fiction from Nothing is Free for whom something must be free because he sits home while the rest of us work.

Paul

September 23rd, 2009
1:30 pm

Mrs. Godzilla 1:24

Glad you didn’t include Denmark. VisitDenmark had a whacky tourism commercial where they had a good looking woman holding a baby, saying she wanted to find the baby’s tourist father. She’d had a one night stand and couldn’t remember his name, but if he remembered her could he please get in touch?

They’ve pulled the commercial, to much ridicule.

Danes need to get with the safe sex program.

And the advertising with brains program.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
1:33 pm

Public Option’s Doing Swell

So you know that I am home.

Can you see me right now? Can you see what I am thinking? Can you see what I am doing with my middle finger?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
1:33 pm

NiF

……you ARE the sign.

Matilda

September 23rd, 2009
1:34 pm

These “Representatives” only care what we think if (a) we attach a big fat campaign check to our opinion, or (b) promise to deliver the votes/support of a large professional or civic organization or church congregation. Individuals, small organizations, and unions will be ignored. Dr. Prices’s office will be happy to confirm this.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
1:34 pm

NiF

Please pull that out of there!

POP!

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
1:34 pm

Public Option –

I used the word cocktails this weekend, in a very short post and it got moderated – that was the only thing I could see that would do it.

NIF,

“If corporations would make much more profit by paying the fines and dumping health care coverage, why would they not do that?”

I think it would be stupid for them not to. I don’t have a problem with that.

“And if they did, what would that mean to the insurance companies and the drug companies? ”

Hopefully health insurance companies would become non-existant, or have to re-group to sell supplemental coverage. Drug companies? Got me.

Jay

September 23rd, 2009
1:35 pm

Normal, I have no idea. Maybe the automated bluenose doesn’t like Latin. In any event, it’s now free.

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
1:35 pm

The official unemployment rate in Georgia is 10.2 percent, which means that more than one of 10 Georgians who want a job can’t find one.

Actually, it’s only 5.1%. Let me show you the math. :smile:

The devil made me do it. Maybe Mr. Broun can wash that hate-filled vomit right out of my head. Gonna wash that hate right outa my head. Hey, that’s catchy.

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
1:35 pm

NIF, you are a class act…just sayin’

Matilda

September 23rd, 2009
1:35 pm

Ah, Cherokee DID confirm this. Thanks! haha!

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
1:36 pm

Public Option,

I just put that word in a post and it is now in moderation. Blog God why do you hate me and not Public Option? BLOG GOD!!!

NIF,

I’ll just copy and paste what I wrote instead of recreating:

“If corporations would make much more profit by paying the fines and dumping health care coverage, why would they not do that?”

I think it would be stupid for them not to. I don’t have a problem with that.

“And if they did, what would that mean to the insurance companies and the drug companies? ”

Hopefully health insurance companies would become non-existant, or have to re-group to sell supplemental coverage. Drug companies? Got me.

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
1:36 pm

Jay, thank you :D

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
1:37 pm

And, to think of all those folks out there that were thinking that life as they knew was going to end on September 23. You see, there is a God after all. He even grants reprieves.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
1:37 pm

Mrs. Godzilla

Mind out of the gutter. And maybe you are right. I am the sign of the end of days for this administration.

Biden said yesterday that if the Republicans take back Congress that will be the end of Obama’s plans. So much for bipartisanship. No gross majority by the dims so it can’t be done if half of America has a say-so.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
1:38 pm

NIF,

“I have noticed that only radical liberals and radical Christians use bumper stickers”

Not in my neck of the woods. Here you see things like:

“America: Born, July 4, 1776; Died November 8, 2008 – somehow I don’t think the owner of that car was a liberal.

GayGrayGeek

September 23rd, 2009
1:38 pm

Boschie @ 1:36 – BUT THINK OF THE POOR, DOWNTRODDEN INSURANCE EXECUTIVES!!!

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
1:39 pm

“Can you see what I am doing with my middle finger?”

Keeping it classy with more hate filled vomit.

Paul

September 23rd, 2009
1:40 pm

Bosch

Thanks for the invite. But before I came upstairs… the remark downstairs… sorry… the political calculating long knives came out and all I could think was ‘nice guys finish last.’

Nothing personal, to you or Taxpayer. But like I said, you gotta draw the line somewhere…

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
1:41 pm

Bosch

….and he accused me of having my mind in the gutter asking him to pull his fingers out of his nose……

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
1:43 pm

Bosch

**Drug companies? Got me.**

Well that’s a hell of a plan. Turn all of our health care over to the government and stop all medical research that is currently being carried out by the drug companies. That sounds like a great plan for you. But would you mind if I support a system that didn’t turn our lives over to bureaucrats and put a definite end to medical research?

If you want to live in that world, I say go for it.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
1:43 pm

Paul,

RE: from downstairs – don’t make me have to challenge you to a dance off. You too Taxpayer – I can shake a groove.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
1:45 pm

NIF,

“and stop all medical research that is currently being carried out by the drug companies”

Got drama? That wouldn’t happen. It’s not like drug companies would stop making a profit. And what the hell do you think NIH is? Chopped liver?

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
1:54 pm

Bosch

**Got drama? That wouldn’t happen.**

Oh I’m sure the drug companies would just do the research for free. You know, like “free” health care. After all, so many advances come from countries with socialized medicine. Like Cuba.

Paul

September 23rd, 2009
1:54 pm

Bosch

I saw DeLay on a commercial for Dancing with Stars – couldn’t change channels fast enough… it was horrible… horrible…. now you give me a visual of you dancing… how will I ever regain sanity? …wait, I know…

Bosch dancing with DeLay!! Yeah, that’s it!

Grumpy

September 23rd, 2009
1:56 pm

JFK 1961 – ask not what your country can do for you…

The American People 2009 – GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME. Cradle to grave baby! Money for nothin’ and your chicks for free!

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
1:56 pm

eagle scout

September 23rd, 2009
1:56 pm

Why does it not suprise me that they all have one thing in common, an R at the end of their names!

Q

September 23rd, 2009
1:56 pm

Is anyone wondering why the same Georgia Congressional group that does not want government ‘interfering’ by helping those who don’t have health insurance is asking the federal goverment to help out those who didn’t have flood insurance?

Don’t get me wrong, my heart aches for those who are facing financial ruin because of the unfortunate events of the last few days and I pray for them every day. I even have my children saying a special prayer for them.

I’m on the side of having a pub-lic opt-ion…..I just think these turn of events makes these ‘righteous’ politicians look very hypocritical.

Cherokee

September 23rd, 2009
1:58 pm

“stop all medical research that is currently being carried out by the drug companies”

Conservatives always amaze me. For years we’ve been hearing how much more effecient private companies are at delivering services. Now, threaten them with a little bit of competition, and they’re all going to shrivel up and die….

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
1:59 pm

Mrs. G –

” noticed where universal healthcare has turned Sweden, the UK, Canada
and Germany into slimy cesspools full of terrorists and gays, who read
newpapers, eat organic and practice safe sex”

only on weekends and every other thursday

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
1:59 pm

Q

Once again, bookman and the dims are only telling half the story. The difference is that the fed provides flood insurance and already heavily burdened small businesses will need to pay for the extended coverage.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
2:00 pm

Bosch –

“That wouldn’t happen. It’s not like drug companies would stop making a profit. And what the hell do you think NIH is? Chopped liver?”

don’t forget universities

HDB

September 23rd, 2009
2:01 pm

NIF….

Have you forgotten that the current crises were initiated under a REPUBLICAN Administration….Republican ideologies….and a dominant Republican Congress for the first SIX years of the new century?? Please explain it to me that every time a REPUBLICAN enters the White House, I LOSE my job….and remain unemployed for an average of 14 months….while whenever a DEMOCRAT enters the White House, I can FIND employment….and my unemployment period is only 90 DAYS???

Why is that New Orleans didn’t get assistance from the Bush Administration until they were shamed into it….but Mississippi Gulf Coast got immediate help?? Guess Kanye West was RIGHT in that aspect…hmmmmm?

danjonglee

September 23rd, 2009
2:01 pm

Georgia Unemployment is at 10%? Are you sure?? Why is that……?

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
2:02 pm

Cherokee

I don’t think that competition from an entity that can print it’s own money is exactly fair, do you?

How about granting competition between insurance companies in different states? Have you even considered why the dims are so against that?

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
2:02 pm

““I have noticed that only radical liberals and radical Christians use bumper stickers””

wow. there were a helluva lotta radical liberals running around with W stickers on the back of their cars … not to mention the “don’t blame me, I voted for Bush/Dole” during the Clinton years … and, let’s see, I do recollect a number of “protected by smith and wesson” bumper stickers when I lived in the greater DC area …

Road Scholar

September 23rd, 2009
2:03 pm

Jay, since they against extending unemployment benefits, and then give lip service to anyone who calls requesting an explanation, maybe a rumor needs to be spread (isn’t this the Repub way?) that there is a job fair with “plenty of jobs” at each of their offices?

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
2:04 pm

NIF,

Who said they would do it for free? Drug companies and the NIH work together all the time – in fact, NIH pays for alot of money for drug research done by drug companies. That would be interesting to know though – how much money NIH pays to drug companies to do research. I don’t know the answer, but Germany is one country that pops to mind where they have a single-payer system and several drug companies that work side by side.

Paul,

Ewwwww. I HATE it when the remote control malfunctions and you can’t turn the channel fast enough. Tom Delay dancing. Now I’m gonna have to take a shot of tequilia and it ain’t even three yet.

Cutty

September 23rd, 2009
2:05 pm

Since wingnuts despise socialism so much, shouldn’t Sonny withdraw his request for FEMA Aid? Jus sayin, be consistent.

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
2:05 pm

I hope this same class act let it be known loud and clear that they also are in disagreement with Perdue and his call for declaring a state of emergency and the subsequent tax dollars that would then be provided. I mean, after all, a man’s just got to have principles that he lives by, through thick and thin. Those folks just need to tough it out and pray a little extra.

Jay

September 23rd, 2009
2:06 pm

What in the health insurance bill requires drug companies to compete with an entity that prints its own money, NiF?

Even more to the point, what in the health insurance bill requires insurance companies to compete with an entity that prints its own money? The House bill, for example, explicitly requires the public option to pay all of its operating costs and benefits out of premiums collected from its customers.

So back up your bluster, NiF. What on earth are you talking about?

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
2:06 pm

USinUK,

Oh, I haven’t forgotten universities, but NIH funds alot of that research right? I don’t know all the figures and stuff, but I do know that NIH got a big boost in fundage.

stands for decibels

September 23rd, 2009
2:06 pm

Now, threaten them with a little bit of competition, and they’re all going to shrivel up and die….

Never underestimate the fear of shrinkage.

HDB

September 23rd, 2009
2:07 pm

NIF…insurance rates VARY across states….and the coverage requirements differ. If you were able to get comparable coverage across state lines, it would have been done by now! If the requirements in California are greater than Georgia’s, you are DENYING coverage if one purchased Georgia insurance to cover one’s self in Cali!! And THAT’S the Republican goal: to deny as much….and to profit MORE!! Please explain why the national safety net is ALWAYS jeopardized by Republicans??

Joseph Wherry

September 23rd, 2009
2:07 pm

Sounds like BS to me.

GayGrayGeek

September 23rd, 2009
2:08 pm

USinUK – don’t forget universities

Seems the Wingtards have, since “You-nuh-versus-tees” is where “intalekshuls” learn to think for themselves. And we mustn’t have THAT in a Faux Noise Poutrage kind of nation, can we?

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
2:09 pm

HDB

**Have you forgotten that the current crises were initiated under a REPUBLICAN Administration….Republican ideologies….and a dominant Republican Congress for the first SIX years of the new century?? **

I hate to answer a question with a question, but can you tell me what the unemployment figure was when the Republicans were kicked out of Washington? That was in 2006. try 4.6% What is it now that Democratic ideologies have been in effect for three years? Am I starting to make any sense, now?

**and my unemployment period is only 90 DAYS**

Do you have a job now? If so, that is great. But a lot of good people don’t. Wouldn’t it be better if they did? Maybe we should bring back the republican ideologies that gave us 4.6% employment.

**Why is that New Orleans didn’t get assistance from the Bush Administration until they were shamed into it**

The Governor of Louisiana asked for help on Wednesday night. The National Guard was there on Thursday morning. So what are you talking about?

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
2:09 pm

Cherokee,

“Now, threaten them with a little bit of competition, and they’re all going to shrivel up and die….”

And dogs and cats will start living together!

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 23rd, 2009
2:10 pm

Comparable coverage across state lines is a farce and it won’t pass. It allows the insurance companies to completely ignore any state’s requirements for a robust benefits package, and then offer crap insurance with all kinds of exclusions based on one central federal requirement. It does nothing to stimulate insurance competition.

Peadawg

September 23rd, 2009
2:10 pm

Mrs. Godzilla “I’d hate to have their karma.”

HaHa you got that right! There’s a special place for these “representatives” in you know where. :)

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
2:12 pm

Nothing is Free

Except for the flood insurance the gubmint provides?

I had to pay for mine…..

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
2:12 pm

Peadawg,

Not to nit pick, but “hell” and “karma” – two different belief systems.

Just joking – I’ve always said “God” – “Allah” – “Karma” who cares – it’s all the same.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 23rd, 2009
2:14 pm

3 Repubozo myths that I’ve debunked several times are

1) Malpractice caps would influence the cost of patient health insurance. I’ve linked the onpoint study dozens of times from Robert Wood Johnson. It lowers costs of insurance to doctors 20% when a 250 grand cap is imposed. It does nothing for patients and in Texas one out of four is nosert insured and they’ve had this cap for years.

2) Across state lines–but LOL the conservatives never explain what this actually means and I just did because they don’t know. They hear it on Rush or some Repubozo station or blog.

3) Coops work. They don’t work, most are dead after years of failure except for 2 in the country, and the CBO issued a report a week ago that said “coops or exchanges” were completely worthless.

Conrad and Baucus chose to hang on the CBO last night like a child on it’s mommy’s skirts, but they did not mention one word about the CBO’s evaluation of coops. Gee I woner why?

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 23rd, 2009
2:14 pm

I can just say this Bosch–and I’ll catch up with yall later.

http://twitter.com/HCAN

http://healthcareforamericanow.org/

As you know as well as I–an alternative to private insurance that is a true public option will be competition for the insurance companies. I know Dr. Elmendorf, the CBO director forgets more economics/finance in five minutes than I could probably master in years, but I respectfully disagree with his projection that only about 5-10% of people would migrate to a public option simply because everyone I know is going to buy the same product at the cheapest location if they can reach it reasonably quickly and with reasonable convenience.

It also seems absurd that the Senate Finance Committee is pressing CBO’s staff to come up with projections in minutes and then vote on amendments that grant or take away hundreds of billions of dollars. If for no other reason than that–driving that point home to kids in high school and college is worthwhile as to how Congress works. Dr. Elmendorf and his staff of whizkids are guessing (granted with terrific backgrounds in finance/economics) and some of that SF Committee are taking his word as gospel. They are forcing him to crank out projections in minutes and his staff to stay up all night many nights.

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
2:15 pm

Haven’t you heard, Jay. Milton Bradley is getting into the health insurance business. You can buy into it once you get four hotels.

Public Option's Doing Swell

September 23rd, 2009
2:15 pm

As to the pharmaceuticals, you’re probably very well aware that Rahm Emanuel working with the Senate Finance Six (3 Blue Dog Dems and 3 Repubs) made a deal with Bill Tauzin their chief lobbyist who makes over a million bucks a year and used to have Henry Waxman’s job as Chairman of House Energy and Commerce, that the pharms would kick in $85 billion over ten years so that they would not be forced to deal with the much greater reductions that would happen if Health Reform forced them to deal with Medicare aka CMS the way they deal with private hospitals. By that I mean that pharma struck a “secret deal” to reduce costs $85 billion so they could make profits 20-30X that by charging medicare beneficiaries a lot more money for their meds–causing the continuance of the Donut, the out of pocket caps seniors have to pay for meds, and causing many seniors with heart failure, chronic pulmonary obstructive disease, angina, and diabetes to choose between one of their needed meds and groceries/rent/mortgage.

There was a parallel deal by the same participants with Rahm Emanuel at the table that allowed the hospitals’ lobbyists to make a deal that the hospitals would kick in $155 billion in cost reductions over 10 years. Biden was also present and very much a part of both deals. Biden announced the hospital deals back on July 8, 2009. This deal would keep the status quo for the hospitals that there would be next to no limit on their outrageous charges for every service and supply–the $12 Tylenol that any doctor can buy from a wholesale supplier for a fraction of a penny or the $120 cling wrap that any doctor can buy from a wholesale supplier for a fraction of a buck–as can the hospitals who then screw you.

The NYT allowed Rahm Emanuel to dictate two stories to them on the deals, and Obama’s health care advisor in residence’s husband is a major reporter for NYT. (Nancy Ann de Parle and son Jason). DeParle worked as a “consultant/lobbyist for the health care companies and recently purchased a $3 million dollar home in D.C. The De-Parles are very well insured, andi quite the power couple. One of them has the ear of the President after making gobs of money as a health industry lobbyist, and the other has the power of the megaphone of arguably the most read newspaper in the world if you include it’s reproduction in the Herald Tribune.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1882709,00.html

In my favorite moment so far, Schumner, Nelson and Kerry told Grassley who went ballistic that the “secret deal” was not going to fly and explained to Grassley that Rahm Emanue was the Executive Branch, that the Senate Finance Six represented 2.2% of the constituents in the country and they represented New York, Mass, and Florida’s populations, and that they were not included in the secret deal–so they could throw it in the trash.

Notably the Blue Dogs also pitched a fit. “This isn’t fair they said…We made a deal.” And Schumner said not pausing a NY heartbeat–”Yeah you made a deal. You represent a tiny fraction of the country, and we weren’t at the table for that deal. So you’re deal is toast.”

I clapped.

My nomination for biggest phony of the year and most disingenuous Senator is Olympia Snowe and fortunately she won’t have near the influence she thinks she does.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
2:16 pm

Sonny the Socialist….has a ring to it!

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
2:17 pm

Never underestimate the fear of shrinkage

That’s why the Republicans prefer to dance instead of swim.

Tomhere

September 23rd, 2009
2:17 pm

Be careful when you call Isakson’s office. If they don’t like what you say they will call the FBI and say that you are “threatening” them.
Like all good republicans they are not afraid to “Bear False Witness”….

HDB

September 23rd, 2009
2:22 pm

NIF….not quite accurate on the unemployment rate; if you broke it down demoographically, the unemployment rate for certain sectors of the nation was between 11.5 and 23.4%. I was in THAT sector – the MINORITY sector. Under Clinton, the minority unemployment rate – contingent upon which demographic – was between 8.7 and 16.8%. If you check historically, minority unemployment rates nearly DOUBLE under Republican rule…….

What gave the nation 4.6% unemployment rate? A DEMOCRATIC Administration that focused its agenda domestically….and on the people!! Under Clinton…lest you forget, the nation was at virtually FULL EMPLOYMENT and a SURPLUS!! The same can happen again….if people would look LONG TERM at the present agenda!!

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
2:22 pm

Jay

**The House bill, for example, explicitly requires the public option to pay all of its operating costs and benefits out of premiums collected from its customers.**

Is that the same bill that says that 500 billion will be taken from corruption in the current system? Is that the same government that gave us the secure Social Security Trust fund? And is that the same government that gave us medicare premiums in a lock box? And you believe that?

Jay, I can’t argue against what the democrats claim. I can argue against an absence of common sense and bad math, but you have to do a little thinking on your own.

I’m curious, did you believe President GW Bush when he said that the medicare Part D Prescription Drug benefit would be largely self funding? That program is now also costing tax payers billions more. Personally, I didn’t believe it either.

La Chupacabra Democrat

September 23rd, 2009
2:22 pm

Jay – regarding your comment at 2:06pm

Respectfully sir, Which healthcare bill are you referring to?

HR3200? the senate bill?

I was under the impression we don’t have ANY official bill yet.
Am I wrong?

True or not? ….. Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee on Wednesday turned back a Republican amendment to wait 72 hours and require a full cost estimate before the final committee vote on the health care reform bill. Is this a bad idea?

I actually support extending unemployment benefits…. But who’s paying for it?

It’s another tax Jay. Plain and simple. A tax on employers.

How much will this cost?

We deserve to know the truth….. not some partisan spin.

If you’re a truthful commentator then let’s have it.

stands for decibels

September 23rd, 2009
2:23 pm

Across state lines–but LOL the conservatives never explain what this actually means and I just did because they don’t know. They hear it on Rush or some Repubozo station or blog.

I heard two of the cretins on Jay’s list, “representatives” Price and Linder, pushing this idiotic idea at their townhaller last month. They were also making up the usual crap about tort reform.

They are out of ammo.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
2:24 pm

G-cubed –

“Seems the Wingtards have, since “You-nuh-versus-tees” is where “intalekshuls” learn to think for themselves. And we mustn’t have THAT in a Faux Noise Poutrage kind of nation, can we?”

you forgot to add … that they’re all a bunch of flamin’ LIBRULS at them thar yoo-nee-ver-sities … :roll:

HDB

September 23rd, 2009
2:25 pm

NIF….and yes, I am employed now!! Only took 4 years!!

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
2:25 pm

HDB

Clinton with a republican Congress did OK. But the employment rate was 4.5% when he left. A democrat in the White House and a good economically driven Republican Congress usually does pretty well. That’s what I am hoping for after 2010.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
2:27 pm

HDB

I’m truly glad you have a job. I hope it’s a good one.

HDB

September 23rd, 2009
2:28 pm

NIF…you also forget that the Executive Branch sets the national agenda!! Under Democrats, the national safety net gets reinforced….and under Republicans, it gets CUT!!

Disgusted

September 23rd, 2009
2:28 pm

How about granting competition between insurance companies in different states? Have you even considered why the dims are so against that?

The ignorance of this argument defies belief. Any insurance company that operates on a legal reserve system can set up operations in any state it chooses. The only requirement is that the state insurance commissioner must approve policies offered and the rates attached. That’s all for the protection of the consumer, so that fly-by-night operators can’t swoop in and victimize state residents. There is absolutely no prohibition on insurance companies who wish to do business in a state otherwise.

The alternative to state regulation of insurance companies is federal regulation, and your view of the federal government would seem to indicate that you would be against that.

There is no such thing as gargantuan savings in insurance costs by virtue of companies operating across state lines. Hint: they already do. Please learn something before you spout party-line arguments. This message has been brought to you by someone who worked in the life and health insurance industry for 20 years.

Tomhere

September 23rd, 2009
2:29 pm

These are the guys who Sonny is going to get to “push” his Lake Lanier legislation through the U.S. Congress.
That’s the problem with republicans. They are incapable of governing. In order for the people of Georgia to get access to Lake Lanier’s waters it will take a concerted team effort to get the Democrats to help them.
What chance do you think they have of doing that? Slim? Or NONE?
LMAO!
“Grandpa, what was a republican?”

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
2:31 pm

I see NIF once again is incapable of backing up his claims. Jay, you did not really expect an answer, did you.

HDB

September 23rd, 2009
2:32 pm

NIF — Thank you for the wishes…..but it took a change of administrations for the job market to begin to open up!! The other issue that happens under Republicans is that when a resume has a lot of jobs on it…..and the applicant is a minority….companies call it “job hopping”…but if the applicant is a Caucasian, it’s called “job progression”!! The political input of the Southern Strategy becomes more evident….and more hostile!!

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
2:32 pm

Disgusted –

“The ignorance of this argument defies belief. Any insurance company that operates on a legal reserve system can set up operations in any state it chooses. ”

I honestly think that these numpties believe that BC/BS GA is totally unrelated to BC/BS CT and that Prudential in MD has nothing to do with Prudential in TX.

AH

September 23rd, 2009
2:33 pm

Don’t you understand that if you continue to extend unemployment benefits then you will continue to exasperate the unemployment problem. Not everyone on unemployment is lazy shiftless bums, but by extending the benefits you extend their behavior. There are very few truly motivated people that can’t find a job in 24 weeks that replaces $355 dollars a week.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
2:33 pm

Taxpayer –

gee … didn’t you see earlier … he linked that one time a few weeks ago … isn’t that enough???