Obama at the UN: World loves it, neo-cons hate it
President Obama’s speech to the United Nations was well-received, at least by the world leaders and ambassadors assembled for the occasion. As The Wall Street Journal reported, Obama “sought to distance his country from the era of his White House predecessor, vowing that “America will live by its values” on human rights even as he said he would take to task the abuses and failures of allies and foes alike.”
“The U.S. president clearly tried to turn the page on the Bush era. He spoke of his decisions to ban the use of torture and close the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The U.S., he said, has “moved from a bystander to a leader in international climate negotiations.” He pledged to soon seek the ratification of the Comprehensive nuclear Test Ban Treaty and pursue deep cuts to the U.S. nuclear arsenal…
As he spoke, the dramatics that had greeted some of the addresses of President George W. Bush were nowhere in evidence.
But Mr. Obama did call on the world to give up a “an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for our collective inaction.”
“Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world’s problems alone. We have sought — in word and deed — a new era of engagement with the world,” he said. “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.”
Over the National Review’s Corner, however, the reviews were not so kind. Words such as “shameful,” “appalling,” “galactic obliviousness” and “staggering naivete” were being bandied about. Former UN Ambassador John Bolton called it “a post-American speech by our first post-American president.”
Here’s the text of the speech. Go read it yourself, and judge for yourself. Personally, I think the folks at the Corner have utterly lost it.
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I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
5:18 pm
I’ll bet the UN “security” council clapped the loudest for your little Benedict Arnold, who loves Libya and Somalia more than Obozo?
Party time, eh?
ACORN, trial lawyers, abortion mongers and now the UN, wonderful constituency you have there.
ew
Normal
September 23rd, 2009
5:29 pm
Good speech, Mr. President. I hope we can live up to your words…
GEORGE AMERICAN
September 23rd, 2009
5:30 pm
I LOVE QADAFI’S CONTRIBUTION TO OBLAMA’S SPEECH.
BILL AYERS AND THE ACORN PR STAFF MUST HAVE BEEN TOO BUSY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SPEECH.
DID HE GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO HIS FELLOW COUNTRYMEN IN KENYA?
reality
September 23rd, 2009
5:31 pm
All I know is that metro Atlanta is devastated, we have loss of life, power is out, and water is cut off in many counties. Barack Obama, FEMA, and the Federal government are no where to be found and have been silent on help with the damage. Hope and change my azz.
Pogo
September 23rd, 2009
5:32 pm
Folks, if you ever want a topic changed by Jay, just say so and I’ll post a comment. That’ll do it everytime.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
5:33 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot the labor unions-
The 215 percent increase in tire imports from China is largely the fault, so to speak, of lower-income Americans, many of whom will respond to the presidential increase in the cost of low-end tires by driving longer on their worn tires. How many injuries and deaths will this cause? How many jobs will it cost in tire replacement businesses, or among longshoremen who handle imports? We will find out. The costs of the president’s sacrifice of the national interest to the economic illiteracy of a single labor union may also include injuries China might inflict by imposing retaliatory protectionism or reducing its purchases of U.S. government debt, purchases that enable Americans to consume more government services than they are willing to pay for.-George Will, RealClearPolitics
mike
September 23rd, 2009
5:38 pm
“Personally, I think the folks at the Corner have utterly lost it.”
Yes, don’t those guys know that only Bookman and those who share his views are allowed to criticize a UN speech?
You think the guys at the Weekly Standard feel any differently about guys like Jay? You think they care? Are we supposed to find it newsworthy that a hyper-partisan liberal pundit thinks those who don’t share his views have “utterly lost it”?
south fulton
September 23rd, 2009
5:40 pm
reality..where have you been? maybe you should search google or read the ajc.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
5:41 pm
You think ACORN is relevent-
LAST MONTH A CLASSIFIED UNITED Nations report prompted Secretary General Kofi Annan to admit that U.N. peacekeepers and staff have sexually abused or exploited war refugees in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The worst of the 150 or so allegations of misconduct–some of them captured on videotape–include pedophilia, rape, and prostitution.-Weekly Standard
Birds of a feather…….
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
5:44 pm
@I Report
The UN clapped loudest when President Obama called you out!
@GEORGE AMERICAN
President Obama gave a shout-out to you, his fellow countryman; I forget, you didn’t get the news that the President was born in Hawaii!
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
5:46 pm
@I Report
You must be in a time warp. Kofi Annan is no longer Secretary General of the UN. Keep posting this information that gives all insight into you delusions.
mike
September 23rd, 2009
5:48 pm
This post is actually in response to Cynthia Tucker’s column comparing “birthers” with “truthers” which just disappears when I post it. Just trying to see if it is something with the blog software or if it is some kind of censorship:
First of all, Cynthia is a member of the “left wing fringe” herself. That is pretty indisputable.
Second of all, Public Policy Polling is a partisan liberal polling source, so their numbers are garbage. PPP says that Democrats are 25%-63%-12% yes/no/not sure on Bush and 9/11. Rasmussen non-partisan poll has it at 35%-39%-26%. The difference between the two polls is 24 points on whther Bush may have known about 9/11. Just to be clear 61% of Democrats think that Bush did or may have knowledge of 9/11, so Tucker’s claim that there are extremists on the left is laughable.
Thirdly, the notion that everyone who does not know if Obama was born out of country is a “birther” is a joke. The question only asks if you think Obama was born out of country, not if he is legally President. For folks who don’t follow politics, they may simply may be confused by the cross-talk, Many folks are aware that Obama’s father was Kenyan and that he lives overseas as a child. Is it such a stretch that people may not know where the guy was born? Do we also think that all of these people are familiar with the naturalized birth requirement for the President. Liberal hacks intentionally conflate the two to make just the silly point that Tucker is making here.
Finally, let’s compare the two “offenses”. It is much more extreme to accuse Bush of intentionally letting 3,000 people die than it is to not be aware of where Obama was born. Tucker may try to conflate the two to continue her relentless partisan march to demonize people who dare not share her narrow-minded views, but this dishonest argument falls apart under light scrutiny.
mike
September 23rd, 2009
5:49 pm
What is up with this garbage blog software? I can’t imagine what is finding objectionable about my posts.
Hef
September 23rd, 2009
5:51 pm
“Obama laid out four pillars for the world community-peace in the mideast & elsewhere,a reduction in nuclear weapons,preservation of the enviroment,and global economic opportunity.” in baseball a .250 batting average gets sent to the minors or released. While good intentions, a well spoken speech, and the fawning from the press plays well,is any but one realistic?
mike
September 23rd, 2009
5:51 pm
Jackie –
George American is one of the several mindless partisans who do lame “parodies” of conservatives. You would have thought that the joke would have gotten tired after the first few posts for these guys,but here we are.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
September 23rd, 2009
5:52 pm
Let’s see, on the European tour he apologized profusely for America and now he says he won’t apologize for America. The reason that President Bush drew a visceral response from the UN crowd was simple – he viewed the world as a battle between good and evil and the corrupt fat cats in the UN audience are the embodiment of evil. On the other hand, in Obama they have found a cuckhold willing to set aside American interest to win the world’s approval. One can hardly cheer anything this dufus does, let alone his ramblings today at the UN.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
5:53 pm
Well, this sounds like a good reason to keep a few neo-cons around. They serve as a good metric. If they hate it, do it.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
5:59 pm
Jackie- Obozo is no longer the leader of Acorn either, right?
We think?
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
5:59 pm
“George American is one of the several mindless partisans”
Give him his due…he gave us Engrish.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 23rd, 2009
6:00 pm
Well, I sure hope old Sonny and all them homeowners turn down any federal aid on account of this flooding. I know they can just suck it up and be too proud to accept money from a guvmint they want to secede from. I hope I read wrong, but it sounded like old Sonny was asking for federal money, and that would make him a Trader to our cause. So I’m asking all the flooded-out homeowners to just pitch a tent and wait it all out. God will provide, but maybe it will take a few decades.
Anyhow, I’m just flabbergasted this Obama wants to get along with other countries. Now My President would of got up there at the UN and told them how rotten they are and let them know we got plenty of troops to take care of them too if they don’t straighten up and fly right. Maybe he would of added a few countries to the Axis of Evil.
We are going downhill fast as a nation and that’s all I got to say. Oh, and a big shout-out to my friend mike. He seems to be my biggest fan. Have a good night everybody.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
6:01 pm
Andy,
The time has come for America to make its own tires and most everything else. Then, there will exponentially fewer poor “lower-income Americans.”
The time has long past to abandon failed neo-liberal policy. It’s time to “BUY AMERICAN.” We need to start SELLING to the world instead of BUYING from it.
All you libertarians SELL OUT AMERICA WHILST WAVING YOUR FLAGS.
Reaganomics, neo-liberal economics–whatever you want to call it has been a miserable failure. Drive down the street–look at all of the “For Lease” and “For Sale” signs where once-profitable businesses once were.
It’s gut-check time. Will you continue to SELL OUT YOUR COUNTRY for the CHEAPEE DEAL? DO YOU CARE? Will society have to unravel into chaos? Don’t think your guns will save you–they won’t.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
September 23rd, 2009
6:01 pm
Surprisingly, while Jay can’t seem to keep his hands off himself as he basks in the afterglow of the Obama speech, Cindy Tucker was sharply critical of Obama. Some excerpts are below:
Could he get any more handsome? No he couldn’t!
Size shouldn’t matter, but he still has the biggest teleprompter in the world!
Just words? Absolutely, when I watch his lips and tongue move I can’t hear a word he is saying!
He was wrong to ban torture without first determining if the definition of torture includes tying me up and running and ice cube across my skin!
mike
September 23rd, 2009
6:02 pm
DoggoneGA –
“Give him his due…he gave us Engrish.”
He gives us another lame and bigoted parody. Yawn.
The truth is that the parodies are useless as folks like Whiner, Taxpayer and AmVet are caricatures of partisanship as they are. No wonder newcomers to the site can’t tell the difference between the “parodies” and the real thing.
Hef
September 23rd, 2009
6:03 pm
When I was young my dad would read me stories much like Pres Obama’s speech,back then and as today we call them fairy tales. Boy life was so much simpler then.
mike
September 23rd, 2009
6:03 pm
Redneck –
Nah. I am actually no more a fan of you than I am of other intolerant bigots. You are all pretty much the same, no matter who the target of your ignorant stereotypes may be.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
6:04 pm
Screw the rest of the world, Hope & Change! Try focusing on the country you live in and represent sometime, instead of caring about what the rest of the world thinks about us.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
6:07 pm
Soothsayer, I agree with you in that we should make more of our items we buy.
Now, if the unions would simply get out of the way we could start doing that tomorrow.
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:07 pm
Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi stated today that he would be happy if Obama could stay president forever.
Well dims?
Duh?
Any comment on this great American that you guys have installed?
mike
September 23rd, 2009
6:07 pm
Look, I think it is great that Obama got big applause. I am just waiting to see some of the applause translate into more of our “allies’” troops in Afghanistan and more support for putting pressure on Iran and NK.
As time goes on it is quite evident that no other nation’s attitude towards us has changed in any meaningful way, even without the excuse of mean old George Bush to hold them back. Maye that will change over time, but I think it is quite naive to believe so.
md
September 23rd, 2009
6:09 pm
The UN is an utterly worthless good ole boys club and way past its prime. Want to save some money, close it up and quit paying the horendously disproportional dues. Its nothing more than a group of self serving grown-up cliques.
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm
Redneck
**Anyhow, I’m just flabbergasted this Obama wants to get along with other countries.**
Conservatives don’t have a problem with his getting along with other countries as long as those other countries weren’t responsible for murdering a planeload of people over Locerby Scotland. Can you understand that?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
6:14 pm
That’s real nice Soothie but-
None of the 10 manufacturers who comprise the domestic tire industry sought this protectionism. Seven of the 10 also make tires in other countries. Most U.S. manufacturers have stopped making low-end tires, preferring the higher profit from more expensive models. (Four U.S. companies make low-end tires in China.)
The president smote China because a single union, the United Steelworkers, asked him to. It represents rubber workers, but only those responsible for 47 percent of U.S. tiremaking. The president’s action will not create more than a negligible number of jobs, if any. It will not restore a significant number, if any, of the almost 5,200 jobs that were lost in the tire industry between 2004 and 2008. Rather, the president will create jobs in other nations (e.g., Mexico, Indonesia) that make low-end tires. They make them partly because some U.S. firms have outsourced the manufacturing of such tires to low-wage countries so the U.S. firms can make a small profit, while making high-end and higher-profit tires here in high-wage America.-George Will, RealClearPolitics
Dusty
September 23rd, 2009
6:14 pm
Was that truly an American president telling the world that America is NO GOOD? That was not only bad, it was sad.
The greatest country in the world and we have a jackass of a president saying otherwise like he believes it. He probably does. Even a Democrat ought to see what is wrong with that.
But most Democrats seem blind and deaf. Blind devotion. That is the only excuse I can imagine for them. And let not that nasty word “Patriotism” escape their lips. They would not be caught so politically incorrect as to mention the lack of it..
What next? Are we going to surrender to Canada or Mexico? Or just anybody that says “Boo!”?
Hef
September 23rd, 2009
6:14 pm
Mike-What some here in the good ol USA don’t realize is, most of the world hated us well before GW was in the WH. And believe it or not they’ll still hate us when Obama leaves the WH,now do to all of his “we’re sorry,we’re the bad guy” they have every right to hate us and more,great job Pres.
Finn McCool
September 23rd, 2009
6:15 pm
Mike, did you lose your job? Maybe your dog or your girlfriend? Why so angry?
I suggest you get a dog or a girlfriend before you blow a gasket.
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:17 pm
Bookman
When can I expect an answer to my question about whether you supported Bush’s drug plan? Let me guess: I’ll be moderated long before that happens.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm
Dave R:
As much as you hate Unions, they serve a useful purpose: they help prevent the abuse of labor. Strong Unions, fair wages are the secret to “demand-side” economics. We have spent almost 30 years now on “supply-side economics.”
If you research the history of labor, you will find that Unions are not evil as you think but help prevent labor from being exploited to the extreme.
Many on the right think that people who work in factories should work for “less than a living wage.” Let me ask you this? What do you think is a fair hourly wage in the United States? $10.00 $20.00 $30.00?
$10.00 and hour is approximately $20,000 a year. Could you live on that? I know, you don’t give a sh*t! $20.00 and hour is approximately $40,000 year. This approaching a living wage–if your wife works.
How much do you make?
Jay
September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm
Dusty asks:
“Was that truly an American president telling the world that America is NO GOOD? ”
Perhaps Dusty would like to provide the quote from the speech in which Obama made that statement. I’ve provided the link to the president’s speech. It should be easy to find the quote in question, if one exists.
Otherwise….
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm
@I Report
Still have your facts confused, don’t you?
@Nothing Is Free
One good thing about free speech, it is just that. Anyone has the right to say and believe what they choose, they do not have the right to change the facts to suit themselves.
The Constitution of the United States says that each President can only be elected for a total of 8 years, no more. How does that affect the speakers at the UN?
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
Dusty
it’s been a bad day for libs here. I don’t think any of them dared to try to defend what the idiot in the WHite House has done or said. But the personal attacks have been thick. LOL!!!
Did you hear about the fed slapping a gag order on Humana? These guys are one step away from complete fascism.
mike
September 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
Hef –
You are quite right, but don’t tell the folks here
Finn McCool -
Is your constant name calling a sign of what a happy person you are? Spare me your hypocrisy.
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
@Dusty
The President’s speech was not indicative of a jackass articulating his policies, rather it was the jackass that did not hear anything he said.
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:24 pm
Bookman
So you are reading the blog but you make a point of not answering. Point made . . . in so many ways. It’s not like you had any credibility except among your sheep anyway.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
6:26 pm
Andy,
Your point is well-taken. We are not talking isolated incidents here. What I’m talking about is the wholesale transfer of the U.S. economy overseas. This tire incident represents a “beach head” of sorts. Surely, even you can see that we are “dead.” Our economy is dead. Our Country is dead. To continue on this path is lunacy.
Notice that I did not insult you.
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:26 pm
Jackie
I’m glad you are a proponent of Free Speech. So how do you feel about the fed ordering Humana to stop corresponding with their customers, anything that counters what the fed is saying? THat seems to lean a little toward breaking the first amendment, doesn’t it?
Hef
September 23rd, 2009
6:27 pm
Soothsayer-While agree with you that unions at one time served a meaningfull purpose,but like so many they have abused they’re power. As for wages,yes $10.00 an hour is peanuts in today’s world,but I have quite a few of my employee’s making 6 figures at $25.00 per.
mike
September 23rd, 2009
6:27 pm
Nothing is Free –
Jay is always lurking around here. He usually swoops in only when he is pretty confident that he has an easy and definitive response to a comment. He also usually ducks harder questions that point out the flaws in his logic.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm
I am so sad. The President of the United States has declared “American Exceptionalism” an anachronism, if not dead. Freedom and liberty are no longer ideals to propagate wherever possible. We are now just one of many, not the bastion of peoples yearning to breath free.
That Stars Wars bar scene I saw this afternoon (dictators, tyrants, communists, terrorists, socialists, etc.) are now our equivalents. They love our president! There is no question they laugh at his naivete. And perceive his words and actions as weakness.
Sad day indeed.
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:29 pm
Jackie
BTW. The point I was making was that one of America’s longest enemies was saying that he supported Obama. Maybe liberals are really proud of that. Most people would start looking closely at why our enemies would support our president.
RJ
September 23rd, 2009
6:29 pm
Brilliant speech by our president who is on a mission to change course in international relations – or lack thereof in the previous administration which was filled with arrogant thugs who created wars so that their friends could become even bigger greedy profiteers. The Halliburtons, Brown+Roots and Bechtels are put on notice that their vision of world dominance is getting a swift whack in the knees. Their impotent puppets in government are trying to stage their self-described rebellions in the form of retarted tea parties and town hall meetings. These morons and their lemmings – especially in this backwater state – are thought-controlled pansies programmed by jackass Hannity, brain-dead Boortz and drug-addicted hypocrite Limbaugh. It’s about time we have a leader who is willing to stand up to the right-wing neo-con machine and become a player in the world. We’ve had eight years of an installed administration that produced record high deficits to barely fund a multi-trillion dollar fiasco of two wars that ultimately failed in every way possible. Now we have empty-headed drones paradigg as pimps and whores to concoct what they think is the story of the century in ACORN. The right-wing media thinks it’s got the smoking gun to take down this president – who they despised from Moment One. It’s laughable to think that Murdoch has his Woodward+Bernstein Moment, but the mindless idiots who are well-off in suburbs/exurbs and exclusive areas in-town–peddle this crap as if they’re somehow informed. In reality they are stealing alcoholic Glenn Beck’s scripts and regurgitating the lines back to their phony bleach blond-tennis playing-Hummer-driving wives or vice versa to their beer-swilling-college-football-watching-fat hubbies.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
6:30 pm
Soothsayer, there is no such thing as a fair hourly wage. You get paid according to your skill level and the worth of the product you produce. That is fair. If you can live off that, great. If you can’t, get some better skills and a better job so that you can live off of what you make.
The market determines a fair wage. Not you, nor me, nor the government.
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm
@Nothing Is Free
At first glance, it does appear that the order is going too far. However, past investigations into large corporations have been halted because of public pronouncements of innocence/guilt by the target of the probe.
This particular tactic raises the Constitutional question of double jeopardy.
If that is the concern, it is probably best the Justice Department ask the target to refrain from making public statements about the case.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm
…rather it was the jackass that did not hear anything he said.
Ya’ll cut Dusty some slack–It’s hard for her to hear over the cacophony of sounds from her home–the barnyard.
Normal
September 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm
Dusty, Mike, Dave R., NIF, F. Sinkwich and others, While Whiner is sniffing glue and playing with sissors, I’m saying y’all need a dose of this…again. And check that blood sugar, I think it’s low
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm
@F. Sinkwich
If our so-called enemies perceive the President as being weak and indecisive, wonder why they have not marched their armies to our shores?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
6:34 pm
It is one of the characteristics of a free and democratic nation that is have free and independent labor unions.
– Franklin D. Roosevelt
mike
September 23rd, 2009
6:36 pm
RJ –
Wow that is a lot of liberal boiler plate for one post. Let’s just tick off some of that fine liberal tolerance that we hear so much about.
People who don’t share your views are:
“arrogant thugs who created wars so that their friends could become even bigger greedy profiteers”
” impotent puppets”
“retarted ” (I always laugh when people misspell this juvenile insult)
“morons”
“lemmings”
residents of a “backwater state”
“thought-controlled pansies”
“jackasses”
“brain-dead”
“drug-addicted”
“empty-headed drones paradigg(sic) as pimps and whores”
“mindless idiots”
“phony bleach blond-tennis playing-Hummer-driving wives”
“beer-swilling-college-football-watching-fat hubbies.”
That’s a lot of hate for one paragraph! Do you think it is a coincidence that anyone who does not share your narrow minded views is dumb, evil or dumb and evil?
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:36 pm
Mike
I have followed Bookman for years. That is why I knew his stance on the Bush drug program.
He is your basic pundit. As long as he can write and no one answers, he is a happy dude. The proof comes in his ability to defend what he claims. This is why Air America doesn’t work. One smart conservative and the host would pee all over themselves. Liberalism just doesn’t stand up to any sort of logical inspection.
We all want a better world. We all want everybody to be happy. Well . . . Republicans want everyone to be happy. We all know how democrats feel about Republicans, rich people, very rich people, people rich enough to pay their own way, insurance companies. Anyone against the infiltration of unions, Christians, Jews, Blacks that dare to vote Republican and any white man with a job (Considered an act of affirmative action waiting to happen). Did I leave anyone out?
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm
2080 work hours per year x $25 = $52,000—what are you leaving out?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm
Hef:
To make $100,000 at $25.00 an hour a person would have to work 4,000 hours a year or around 78 hours per week. I’m trying to understand your point.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm
RJ, look up “paragraph” on Google.
Thanks for asking.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
6:40 pm
Air America doesn’t work because liberals don’t need to listen to it.
Project much?
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
6:41 pm
Jackie, how about an Iranian nuclear missile going off in Israel?
But as long as that doesn’t happen in Atlanta that’s fine with you, huh?
You’re welcome.
mike
September 23rd, 2009
6:41 pm
Normal –
Spare us your partisan criticisms. Did you miss RJ’s post or does his contempt for conservatives give him a pass?
Why don’t you just be clear for us and detail the rules for people who share your views and detail another separate list of rules for those who don’t? Then we will all do our best to adhere to them so as not to disturb you.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
6:43 pm
Dave R.:
Soothsayer, there is no such thing as a fair hourly wage. You get paid according to your skill level and the worth of the product you produce. That is fair. If you can live off that, great. If you can’t, get some better skills and a better job so that you can live off of what you make.
The market determines a fair wage. Not you, nor me, nor the government.
I couldn’t disagree more. What with Chinese workers willing to work for $0.57/hour, how can any American compete with that?
No the “market” has been usurped. We have sold our AMERICAN WORKERS down the river. Cursed, dispised, laughed at. And yet, in so doing we sold AMERICA down the river. For the AMERICAN WORKER and AMERICA are inseparable.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
6:43 pm
“To make $100,000 at $25.00 an hour a person would have to work 4,000 hours a year or around 78 hours per week”
You forgot about overtime, which is normal time and a half…or $37.50 at $25.00 an hour. I make that 61 hours per week, not 78
mike
September 23rd, 2009
6:43 pm
Nothing is Free –
” Liberalism just doesn’t stand up to any sort of logical inspection.”
Well it can when somebody is actually trying to make the case for liberal views instead of just bashing conservatives
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:43 pm
Jackie
**If that is the concern, it is probably best the Justice Department ask the target to refrain from making public statements about the case.**
That would be great if we were talking about a court case or any kind of action being taken against anyone. We are not. We are talking about a bill being pushed through Congress that will effect us all. Demanding that Humana stop discussing this bill, or sending information to it’s customers while AARP is doing the same thing for it’s customers is simply against the 1st Amendment.
Again, this administration is doing what it pleases and continues to ignore our constitution.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm
All hail RJ!
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm
Soothsayer, the LAST person you need to be quoting to try to make your point is FDR. He is the father of the modern day Socialist movement.
You might try reading Thomas Jefferson some time. A much more valid read.
mike
September 23rd, 2009
6:46 pm
Kamchak –
“Air America doesn’t work because liberals don’t need to listen to”
So the existence of a partisan conservative media outlet means that conservtives “needd it”?
Well then how do you explain the existence of HuffPost, MSNBC, the NYT editorial section or Jay’s blog?
What a silly argument.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
6:49 pm
Too bad if another country is willing to make a product we need and want cheaper than us, Soothsayer.
For me, if I find something made here that is of a better quality than made elsewhere, I buy what is made here because of the quality, not the source. If it happens to cost more because of that quality, I am willing to pay the additional freight.
joe matarotz
September 23rd, 2009
6:49 pm
I think Obama should invest in a new speech writer. He uses too much second person when he is addressing third person situations. I suspect that’s an effort to build affinity. However, some of today’s posters have shown that he needs to dumb things down or they don’t get it.
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm
Mike
I think liberals are just poor souls who want to be happy, but have no idea how to get it. I think that most are waiting for happiness to be brought to them. I think that is why there are so many unhappy liberals.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm
Proposed presidential speech to the UN:
“Thank you for inviting me here to speak to you today. I want you to know that the United States wants freedom and liberty for all who embrace it. We will pursue that interest. Go figure out what that means. Thank you.”
Man, I’m good.
Hef
September 23rd, 2009
6:52 pm
Soothsayer-You were pointing out that it’s hard to live off $10.00 – $20.00 per hour, I agree if you work the basic 40 hours. My guy’s are paid hourly by the job,not necessarily by how many hours they work. i agree with Dave R@6:30. I make a very good living,but I don’t just put in min time to achieve it.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
6:53 pm
Enter your comments here
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
6:54 pm
That submit was a mouse problem
Sorry.
Normal
September 23rd, 2009
6:54 pm
Mike what did RJ say? If you are talking about Boortz, Limbaugh or Beck, they are not Conservatives, they are talking heads who will say anything for rating. They don’t give a fig what you think or feel. Save your vitriol for 2012. The least you can do is give this President a chance What ARE you afraid of? Get over it. The Democrats are in control now, if 2012 comes and they haven’t done the job, then you can vote your guy in and I’ll help you. But honestly, you just come off as a stale sour tart. You certainly are not helping your side. People don’t listen to ugliness.
Nothing is Free
September 23rd, 2009
6:54 pm
Have a good evening, folks.
Hef
September 23rd, 2009
6:55 pm
Soothsayer@6:43pm- Which American worker are you refering to?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
6:57 pm
Dave R:
Franklin Roosevelt inherited a situation very much like the situation President Obama faces today. Years of liberal economic policy had devastated the country resulting in the Great Depression. This liberal economic policy resulted in the same situation we have today–concentration of wealth in upper 1 – 2% of the population.
Now we have neo-liberal economic policy with an even greater concentration of wealth in the top 1% of the population. EVEN WITH all of the policies instituted by FDR, only the second world war was able to break the grip of the depression.
As for all of you “wishers and hopers” out there who are looking for a quick end to our current difficulties, I wouldn’t hold my breath. In case you haven’t noticed, this is not a normal recession. Our economy is gone. Shipped out. Our only hope is home-building. Unfortunately, it costs far more to build a home than you can buy a foreclosed one for.
Hold fast to you beliefs! We are better off buying from overseas! Let our workers languish! They deserve it! It’s their fault! They only wanted a living wage!
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
6:59 pm
So the existence of a partisan conservative media outlet means that conservatives “needd[sic] it?”
Yep.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm
Soothsayer- You haven’t heard the news about the world economy?
Oh my, you’d better sit down.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm
And Soothsayer, there are many out here who believe that FDR’s policies EXTENDED the Depression.
Stop your wealth envy and work towards YOUR own good. Let everyone else work towards theirs without government intervention.
Normal
September 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
6:57 pm
Well said…
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:03 pm
Dave R:
Every dollar you spend on imported products weakens our economy.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
7:04 pm
Jay is always lurking around here. He usually swoops in only when he is pretty confident that he has an easy and definitive response to a comment. He also usually ducks harder questions that point out the flaws in his logic.
Score a point for mike.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
7:05 pm
Soothsayer- That would be the same FDR that saddled us with Social Security, which is fixin to take out whatever Obozo doesn’t?
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:07 pm
Actually, Soothsayer, every dollar this government borrows from other countries weakens our economy.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:07 pm
Dave R:
I am a professional with a degree who makes more than enough to live on. I don’t have any wealth envy. My only concern is FOR OUR GREAT AMERICA that has been SOLD DOWN THE RIVER IN THE NAME OF GREED. You have yours. That’s great! You don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone else. That’s obvious. I want more than anything else a strong, prosperous AMERICA where everyone shares in the wealth–not just the fortunate few.
Normal
September 23rd, 2009
7:09 pm
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm
Stop your wealth envy and work towards YOUR own good. Let everyone else work towards theirs without government intervention.
That is the most stupid statement I have seen on this blog, and that’s saying something. Why don’t you tell us how to do that if there are no jobs? Do you suggest we move to India? I’m usually a “try to get along kind of guy”, but I do have a low tolerance for BS, and unless you can come up with ideas to do your statement, it’s just BS, sorry.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:09 pm
How erudite, Normal.
However, please consider that Chairman O has had his chance and many in America abhor his policies. Rather than insult his opponents, could you please defend his socialist and big government solutions to every problem known to mankind?
Just asking.
Normal
September 23rd, 2009
7:10 pm
,…and Mike, babe, you need a drink…try some milk of human kindness…just suggestin’
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:12 pm
Soothsayer, a liberal arts degree doesn’t make you a genius. Taking wealth from individuals who earn it at the point of a gun is communist. Remember, to each according to their needs, from each according to their abilities.
But I guess you knew that.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:13 pm
Dave R:
I couldn’t agree more. AT LAST WE AGREE ON SOMETHING! At this moment we have borrowed approximately $2,000,000,000,000.00 from the Chinese.
Andy:
Were it not for Social Security millions of old people would live in utter destitute poverty. As for Medicare think of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions who were able to inherit free from claims against their estate because of it.
I think the jury is in long years ago–Social Security works.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:16 pm
F. Sinkwich:
How presumptuous! I don’t have a liberal arts degree. And once again, I make more than enough to live on and then some. Who said anything about a gun? Let me say it once again, if you cheat your countrymen, you cheat AMERICA!
Normal
September 23rd, 2009
7:19 pm
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
I’ll ask you this why are you determined to defend failed policies? The “free enterprise” like Communism is fine on paper, but in reality both sux. Why? Because of human greed. The market has to be regulated. If you can’t stop insurance companies from gouging people and then cancelling them when they need it, they need regulating too.
The Ayn Rand way of doing business is just what she wrote…FICTION!Socialism? We have been socialistic in this country since WWII. Until you stop thinking that helping our fellow American is socialistic, then you are one of the greedy. Keep wishing for the return of the Reagan/Bush era, you just might get what you wish for…then you just might be sorry.
Normal
September 23rd, 2009
7:19 pm
I’m outta here, got Spanish Meatballs waiting…
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:20 pm
Nothing is Free, Dave R, Dusty, et al, simply confirm that there is no God. Otherwise, he would have fried your a$$es ten times over by now.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:23 pm
Soothsayer, you are deep in wealth envy. “The fortunate few”? Like they were lucky to earn a large salar?. Like they were lucky to work hard? Like they were lucky to start their own businesses?
Please. Get over your wealth envy.
And Normal? Here is my philosophy. I promise that I will not take your life, liberty or property through the use of force or fraud, and simply ask that you return that favor to me. Do you have a problem with that way of living?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:25 pm
THINKING is the hardest work there is,
That’s why so few engage in it!
–Henry Ford
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
–Henry Ford
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:28 pm
Dave R:
To get a mule’s attention you have to hit it upside the head with a shovel. I DON’T HAVE ANY WEALTH ENVY! Get over it!
You see, rather than argue on an intelligent basis, you attack me. That is the entire strategy of the right. No answer? Attack!
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:29 pm
Uhh, Soothsayer, if I don’t pay my taxes as imposed by the wealth-envy crowd like you, then some guy with a gun and a warrant shows up at my house.
Get it?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
7:31 pm
Were it not for Social Security millions of old people would live in utter destitute poverty.
Um, soothsayer, I’m pretty sure Social Security is going to get all of us into utter destitute poverty.
Do you libs think money grows on trees?
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:31 pm
Soothsayer, then why do you want my money?
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
7:35 pm
Soothsayer @ 7:29 – “Attack” and “FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER” are the only tools left to the wingnuts. If they can’t make you FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER the pinkocommunistfascistsocialistKenyanMoooooooslum then you Must! Be! Attacked! because you’re obviously a TRAITOR! TRAITOR! TRAITOR!
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:35 pm
Actually, Soothsayer, you are in gross wealth envy. Your very statement that those who are wealthy are “fortunate” says it all.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
7:38 pm
OMG! The fear is absolutely PALPABLE. We’re all gonna go broke! We’re going to be robbed at gun point by the gummint! The rich are all going to die in poverty if we don’t allow the old to die first, in abject poverty! Those lazy SOB’s who are too lazy to find jobs are going to bankrupt us all!
BOOO!
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:39 pm
And TaxCheat, YOUR very presence proves that there not only is a God, but that he is a prankster.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:41 pm
DoggoneGA, how much of my money do you want?
Take a check?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:41 pm
Call Perdue and tell him not to beg for fed money to help out all those flood victims. Call up your Congressmen and praise them for not voting for that unemployment extension and tell them to support your cause by calling out Sonny in public and giving him a thorough tongue lashing for daring to ask for fed money. Come on boys, put those teabags to good use. Join Dick’s Armey today. Stand up and be counted. Get your signs and get out on the streets right now. Let the world know that you and your fellow Americans don’t want or need no steenking handouts from no foreigner like Obama. hehehe
By the way, I think now would be a good time to remind the Republicans that you message is perfect. I mean, it really speaks to the people. Don’t change a thing. Honest. Trust me on this one. I wouldn’t steer you wrong. hehehe
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
7:42 pm
GGG! Great minds think alike!
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
7:42 pm
Nice outburst, duhgone, did it soothe your psychosis any?
Kayaker 71
September 23rd, 2009
7:43 pm
I listened to every word of Bozo’s speech to the UN. He looked like he was on the campaign trail trying to win a primary election talking about how his administration was solving all of the world’s problems. A nuclear free world…. what has he been smoking? Closing Gitmo? Hasn’t happened yet and may not in the near future. “We don’t torture any more…. drew the most applause of anything he said. Guess a lot of those in the audience were happy that they weren’t going to have to worry about that anymore.
A lot of the people who listen in the audience are sizing up the leader of the free world and really like what they see. An empty suit who is a light weight trying to lecture all of the nations of the world on his “vision” of what the world ought to be. The Russians picked up on this on his visit to their country. None of his speeches were carried on Russian TV and many of the people at the Moscow Conservatory left during his speech on his vision of the world. They just don’t think that he is a player and worst of all, he is our president. No respect… no clout… those people in the audience at the UN not only don’t respect him, they are all looking for ways to exploit his weaknesses at the expense of the American people. He will be called out in the near future, depend on it. And when he does, we will learn what a community organizer does in a crisis. We can only hope that we survive.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
7:43 pm
“DoggoneGA, how much of my money do you want?”
All of it of course. I’m one of the lucky rich and if I don’t have all of YOURS I might die in poverty. You wouldn’t want THAT would you. I’m sure you’re more than willing to give it to me to prevent that. Isn’t that what compassionate conservatism is all about?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:44 pm
F. Sinkwich,
Brother, can you spare a dime. I would ask Dave R but he’s a grinch.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:48 pm
Actually, TaxCheat, I reserve the right to choose when, if, and how much I will give to others. Obviously, you would never meet my high standards of need and whether you deserved my largess.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:50 pm
Taxpayer,
So your point is that conservatives are a bunch of hypocrites for accepting federal aid dollars during emergencies if they are not in favor of Chairman O’s socialism?
Must be a bummer being you, no offense.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:51 pm
Dave R, you out there. Hey, brother, can you spare a dime. Dave R! Dave Rrrrrrrrrr. YooHoo, Dave RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! Come on honey, just a dime. I’ll give you a hug. Trust me.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:51 pm
F. Sinkwich:
I am with you we ALL pay too much taxes. I don’t want or need your money.
Andy:
Social Security is one of the greatest successes of modern government. Heck, what a deal: you pay in 6.2% of your salary and receive a guaranteed payment for life.
Dave R:
When the “less fortunate” are at your door, just give them some cake. They’ll understand.
For the less perceptive out there, realize this–the thin veneer that we call society is close to wearing off. Millions are without. When they arrive at your door, I hope you have an answer for them. And I don’t mean a firearm. Because they will overwhelm you!
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:52 pm
That’s what I figured, DoggoneGA. You are indeed a typical Chairman O supporter.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:53 pm
Awwww. Come on, F. Sinkwich. You aren’t going to get on here and whine like a little Republican about paying taxes and then try to defend taking a big fat government handout, are you. By the way, brother, can YOU spare a dime. I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm
And, ewwww, Dave R. Why would anyone even want to know about your large ess. Are you a plumber, Dave R.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm
Soothsayer, I have an answer for anyone who comes to my door and tries to take my life, liberty or property through the use of force or fraud.
And they won’t like it one bit.
For those that ask nicely, and prove a need, they’ll get whatever I have that I won’t need.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:56 pm
Soothsayer, are you from ACORN? Bummer about your federal funding. But I’m sure your messiah will figure out someway to fund your illegal activities. He’s a community organizer after all.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:57 pm
And TaxCheat, as long as the Federal government continues to take our money from this state when it is not an emergency, we have every right to demand it back in an emergency.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
7:58 pm
“That’s what I figured”
You did? Isn’t that AMAZING!
mike
September 23rd, 2009
7:58 pm
Normal –
“,…and Mike, babe, you need a drink…try some milk of human kindness…just suggestin’”
What exactly is your point?
My point is that you continually come after me for being “angry” for the thinnest of reasons (i.e. callign someone a hypcorite), yet you ignore RJ’s rant in which he called conservatives every combination of dumb and evil.
What gives? Do you really have a concern about angry posts or are you just pushing buttons? If the former, then why does your concern about “angry” posts extend only to those commenters who don’t share your views?
Was the above question too angry? If so, I apologize. I didn’t intend it to be. I am just trying to understand what you are trying to say.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:59 pm
Don’t worry, soothsayer. I’m sure that Dave R and Whiner and F. Sinkwich, et al, have their barbed wire and electrified fence and cannons and otherr weapons all set in case any poor look their way. We know how they are with their tax dollars. Them and their Armey of Dicks. By the way, I heard they were complaining about the lack of public transportation and toilet paper in the public restrooms at their “we don’t want no steenking taxes” demonstrations. hehehehe
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:02 pm
“as long as the Federal government continues to take our money from this state when it is not an emergency, we have every right to demand it back in an emergency.”
The illogic in that is just amazing! Where, pray tell, would this state go for the money in an emergency if the Fed HAD’NT “taken” it? Or is is OK if the state takes it to hold for emergencies, but it’s not OK for the Fed to do that?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:02 pm
Hmm. Let’s see ACORN? I don’t give a rat’s ass about ACORN. I think they are as corrupt as anyone.
Dave R:
I get it! Be careful, though. You’re very close to SOCIALISM. You should NEVER give ANYTHING to ANYONE in need. It’s just not RIGHT! What you are saying borders on CHARITY!
Amazing you would give to some unfortunate at your door but you forsake your own countrymen by buying CHINESE.
mike
September 23rd, 2009
8:04 pm
GayGrayGeek –
” Must! Be! Attacked! because you’re obviously a TRAITOR! TRAITOR! TRAITOR!”
I really don’t see too many folks calling anyone a traitor. I see a lot of people calling folks racist though, including ex-Presidents.
Why don’t you just get real and admit that the same behavior is exhibited by the extremists on both sides? Don’t believe me? Scroll up a bit and read RJ’s mindless and hateful display of name calling.
Jack
September 23rd, 2009
8:04 pm
I’m with Dusty.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:04 pm
The state of Georgia is a net recipient of fed money. In other words, we already get more back than we pay in, even before the flood.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
8:05 pm
Ahhhh, I see that it is Children’s Hour on the Bookman blog now that TaxCheat is here. Posting the same tired quotes dozens of times. Never answering questions.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:08 pm
Nothing substantive to say? Insult! Attack! Obfuscate!
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:09 pm
Dave R,
Brother, can you spare a dime, yet. There are folks in need. How ’bout a little charity. It’s tax deductible. There’s plenty of folks out there that did not have flood insurance that need charity and conservatives are really really charitable people because there is a poll out there that proves it and we all know that the polls that prove how charitable conservatives are can’t be wrong, right. I’ll give you a really big hug. Now, come on. I know you can do it. Give us a hug and then a dime.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
8:10 pm
Soothsayer, please. You don’t even know the definition of Socialism if you think that VOLUNTARILY giving your money to others is Socialism.
And I buy Chinese ONLY if they end up making a better quality product. If they don’t, they don’t get my money. I don’t care where it is made, as long as it is the best at what I need.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:10 pm
Come on, Dave R. I know you can do it. Now give us a big hug, big boy. Come on. You know you can do it. Now, give up that dime. It’ll make you feel all good inside. Yes it will. Yes it will Yes sireeeee.
TW
September 23rd, 2009
8:11 pm
Kinda nice taking the brown bag off our heads…
mike
September 23rd, 2009
8:13 pm
TW –
“Kinda nice taking the brown bag off our heads…”
It was only the folks who were utterly incapable of accepting a President not of their party who had the brown bags on their head. All the normal people were fine.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:16 pm
Can I see a show of phalanges for those supporting the Republicans from Georgia. That’s right. Say no to helping someone that’s down and out. They don’t need no steenking federal tax dollars to fund their unemployment. Isn’t that right, Dave R.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:17 pm
Soothsayer, please. You don’t even know the definition of Socialism if you think that VOLUNTARILY giving your money to others is Socialism.
And I buy Chinese ONLY if they end up making a better quality product. If they don’t, they don’t get my money. I don’t care where it is made, as long as it is the best at what I need.
NOWHERE IN MY POST DID I MENTION SOCIALISM! I think the word I used was charity. I challenge you on your “buy Chinese” policy. I don’t think you, like the rest of America, really CARES about where its made as long as its a FEW PENNIES CHEAPER!
Yes! FOCK YOUR COUNTRYMAN! If a COMMUNIST CHINESE can make it a few pennis cheaper, then by all means, let me buy it!
After all, its GOOD FOR AMERICAN CORPORATIONS!
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:17 pm
Who is the selfish one, the one that works his way through a free education system to fend for himself or the one that chooses to give up that free education and relies on others to make ends meet?
Should a college student that studies 24/7 and does no partying share his A’s with the college student that parties 24/7, does no studying and makes F’s?
stands for decibels
September 23rd, 2009
8:18 pm
Personally, I think the folks at the Corner have utterly lost it.
As if the Doughy Pantload and his band of half-wits ever had it!
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:20 pm
“Were it not for Social Security millions of old people would live in utter destitute poverty.”
For the record, one only gets SS if one pays in, and not all payments are equal.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:21 pm
“Should a college student that studies 24/7 and does no partying share his A’s with the college student that parties 24/7, does no studying and makes F’s?”
wouldn’t they both be dead from exhaustion and neither of them have anything to share?
wet wiccan
September 23rd, 2009
8:23 pm
Soothsayer – I am in agreement with you on everything you have posted tonight. The destruction of American manufacturing and the export of American jobs is a national disgrace. Outsourcing of American jobs is economic treason.
stands for decibels
September 23rd, 2009
8:24 pm
The state of Georgia is a net recipient of fed money.
I don’t think that’s quite right–last few years I’ve checked, it’s been pretty even-steven. Not really in the mood to do a lot of poking around, but… Here’s one chart from ‘81-’05 that seems to back me up.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
8:24 pm
The Chinese are getting your money bubby. Maybe you better review the codependence reflected in the vast holding of US bonds by their cheif banker China. China stepped up its lending to the US last winter at an unprecedented rate. That money doesn’t come for no interest.
China now earns more than $50 billion a year in interest from the United States, Mr. Setser at the Council on Foreign Relations calculated. That money don’t come from no tooth fairy; it be comin’ from the American taxpayer.
Midori
September 23rd, 2009
8:26 pm
reading thru the comments, each and every nutjob (you know who you are) come across saying the exact same thing:
ARE THERE NO PRISONS?
ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES?
OBAMA, BAD!!!
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:26 pm
Sincere apologies to Dave R. I DID sat SOCIALISM in my post. I admit it and I apologize.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
8:27 pm
Another amendment lost by the Repubozos in Senate Finance just now–Repubozos continue to do what they’ve done all day on healthcare reform–lose their butts.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:28 pm
I can’t wait to start collecting my social security. Only ten more years to go. Or, is it eleven. I can’t remember what birthdate gets bumped up to 66 in order to collect full benefits. Anyway, I’ll still get mine one of these days as long as those Republicans keep their paws off of the law books. We need to keep voting those suckers out of office and back into the darkness from whence they slithered.
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:28 pm
“The destruction of American manufacturing and the export of American jobs is a national disgrace. Outsourcing of American jobs is economic treason.”
Many of the goods made in the usa cost too much for the american consumer and can not compete on the global market, that said who exactly is going to buy our wonderfully made yet expensive american goods?
TW
September 23rd, 2009
8:29 pm
mike – that you had no bag on your head only further indicts you of having no clue.
Credibility much?
Thought not
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm
md:
Who is the selfish one, the one that works his way through a free education system to fend for himself or the one that chooses to give up that free education and relies on others to make ends meet?
Should a college student that studies 24/7 and does no partying share his A’s with the college student that parties 24/7, does no studying and makes F’s?
What about the college student who does all that and can’t find a job because all of the jobs have been sent to India?
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:33 pm
We owe China a lot, but don’t forget about all the other countries we owe as well. Japan is a close second. But thats OK, for we have the kids’ credit card.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:34 pm
md:
Many of the goods made in the usa cost too much for the american consumer and can not compete on the global market, that said who exactly is going to buy our wonderfully made yet expensive american goods?
Can there be any more damning indictment of our current situation? If the AMERICAN CONSUMER can’t afford goods produced in our own country, what does that say about wages IN OUR COUNTRY?
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:35 pm
“What about the college student who does all that and can’t find a job because all of the jobs have been sent to India?”
What about when that person does get a job and now has to pay back his student loans and pay for the deadbeat that chose to forego that “free” education?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:38 pm
md:
You will notice that I have not said one disparaging word about the Japanese or Koreans. WHY? They have moved their PRODUCTION to America and employ AMERICAN WORKERS to build their automobiles. Therefore MOST OF THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT REMAINS IN AMERICA, even if the 15% profit goes to Japan.
This is in STARK CONTRAST TO CHINESE MANUFACTURING which is the other way around.
One interesting thing to note: workers at Japanese and Korean auto plants make great wages.
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:39 pm
“what does that say about wages IN OUR COUNTRY?”
That some are too high in relation to other countries. One can not pay an automatic screwdriver operator 50k a year and compete on the global market. Its lose – lose, other countries must raise theirs (no time soon) or we reduce ours (no time soon). Lose – Lose
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:39 pm
md:
I think a “DEADBEAT” is someone without opportunity.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:40 pm
“If the AMERICAN CONSUMER can’t afford goods produced in our own country”
so much of “our” manufacturing has been off-shored, I don’t know that you can back up that “we” can’t afford to buy American-made goods. There’s so little made here now there’s no way to tell. Someone said he only bought Chinese if it was better than American made. How is that choice made if there is NO CHOICE because it’s ALL made in China?
mike
September 23rd, 2009
8:40 pm
TW –
Of course I have no credibility with you. I don’t share all of your political views, so I must be dumb, evil or dumb and evil.
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:41 pm
“One interesting thing to note: workers at Japanese and Korean auto plants make great wages.”
And they are built in the south with no unions. Hmmmmm.
RJ
September 23rd, 2009
8:42 pm
Conservatives are happy when taking OxyContin or some anti-depressant. After all, they worked hard to pay for it.
I love that “Conservatives are happy and Libs are unhappy argument” is straight from Rush’s playbook. Remember, the hyprocrite was unhappily married three times. Is Sean happy? Well, I sometimes wonder after seeing how unhappy his wife is. Then there’s Glenn….
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm
md:
FOCK THE GLOBAL MARKET: Every penny we pay to one of our fellow COUNTRYMEN STRENGTHENS THIS COUNTRY. If other countries RAISE THEIRS they might be buyers of our products.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm
@ Taxpayer–
People born after 1939 have to wait until age 66 to collect full social security benefits, and you can begin at 64 if you’re willing to take a 15-20% cut.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm
“They have moved their PRODUCTION to America and employ AMERICAN WORKERS to build their automobiles”
You left something out: they avoid paying shipping costs and tarifs if their cars are made here. Check out the Volkswagen “station wagon” back in the day when that’s what they called their “microbus” – which was a VAN no matter what they called it. But they called it a station wagon to avoid a huge tarif on it. As a “passenger vehicle” it wasn’t subject to that tarif (which still exists, BTW)
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:44 pm
“I think a “DEADBEAT” is someone without opportunity.”
One creates “opportunity”. That deadbeat made a “choice”, and chose to forego that particular “opportunity”. That deadbeat also has the choice to re-enter the education system at any time, but more often than not, “chooses” not to.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
8:45 pm
Point is correct @ md–we do owe a lot of other countries a significant amount.
TW
September 23rd, 2009
8:45 pm
mike – substitute ‘ungrateful’ for ‘evil’…dumb, ungrateful and, being that your boy was quarterbacking when the team went in the the toilet – ‘loser’
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:46 pm
stands for decibels
September 23rd, 2009
8:24 pm
The state of Georgia is a net recipient of fed money.
I don’t think that’s quite right–last few years I’ve checked, it’s been pretty even-steven. Not really in the mood to do a lot of poking around, but… Here’s one chart from ‘81-’05 that seems to back me up.
Thanks, dB. I made the comment to counter the argument that we don’t get our fed tax dollars back. We do.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:46 pm
md:
And they are built in the south with no unions. Hmmmmm
Riddle me this? Why do you think that is?
Friends:
It’s time to change our thinking. Paying OUR WORKERS A LIVING WAGE IS GOOD FOR YOU! IT’S GOOD FOR AMERICA! IT’S THE WAY OUT OF OUR CURRENT PROBLEMS.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:49 pm
“And they are built in the south with no unions”
Umm hmm…check out their wages and benefits. They are fully competitive with union based wages. They mostly located in the South because the cost of living is lower and they were offered better tax cuts to do that.
Jack
September 23rd, 2009
8:50 pm
It’s been posted in here that one only gets SS if one pays in. That’s simply not true. If that were true, SS wouldn’t be in dire straits now.
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:50 pm
“FOCK THE GLOBAL MARKET: Every penny we pay to one of our fellow COUNTRYMEN STRENGTHENS THIS COUNTRY. If other countries RAISE THEIRS they might be buyers of our products.”
Screaming accomplishes what exactly? It is a never ending cycle. If wages go up, cost of goods go up. Cost of goods go up, demand falls. Demand falls, people lose jobs. People lose jobs, no one can afford the goods. Now, everyone is unemployed.
That work for you?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:51 pm
md:
One creates “opportunity”. That deadbeat made a “choice”, and chose to forego that particular “opportunity”. That deadbeat also has the choice to re-enter the education system at any time, but more often than not, “chooses” not to.
WHAT A LOAD OF SMELLY RUBBISH!
There are MILLIONS of educated, enthusiastic individuals who are ready, willing, and able to take any worthwhile opportunity afforded to them. Unfortunately, that opportunity is not forthcoming. It’s been shipped off to India in the case of college-educated individuals or to China in the case of the manufacturing base.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:53 pm
PODS @ 8:43,
Oh Well. I’ll have to hold out eleven more years to get my full benefits then. But, what will I do til then. Brother, can you spare a dime. Dave R is a cheapskate and a grinch. He just shrugs me off. I even offered to give him a hug.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:53 pm
“SS wouldn’t be in dire straits now”
It is? Show us some evidence of that…not just some pundit’s say so, either.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:55 pm
md:
It is a never ending cycle. If wages go up, cost of goods go up. Cost of goods go up, demand falls. Demand falls, people lose jobs. People lose jobs, no one can afford the goods. Now, everyone is unemployed.
Agreed assuming full employment but we are SO far from that! Let’s worry about putting AMERICANS BACK TO WORK and then worry about that!
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:58 pm
“Riddle me this? Why do you think that is?”
Because unions are inefficient. Been there – for over 20 years- waste, waste, and more waste. Ever been through union negotiations? They actually bargain for “gains in production”, changing the rules to “allow” the worker to be more efficient. If the work rules are not changed, workers are “allowed” to remain inefficient. And there a wonder as to why jobs have been shipped over seas.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:01 pm
Jack
September 23rd, 2009
8:50 pm
It’s been posted in here that one only gets SS if one pays in. That’s simply not true. If that were true, SS wouldn’t be in dire straits now.
Well, according to the paperwork that my wife and I get from social security, our ability to receive anything is very much dependent on what we paid in. One problem with funding of social security is that the Republicans borrowed everything in the trust and left their IOUs there.
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:02 pm
“Umm hmm…check out their wages and benefits. They are fully competitive with union based wages. They mostly located in the South because the cost of living is lower and they were offered better tax cuts to do that.”
Yes, they pay comparable wages to keep the unions out. They get efficient workers without the bs of the union, and the workers aren’t paying monthly dues to a bunch of slackers in the union local.
Delta is a prime example. Pay competive wages, there is no need for the union bs.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
9:04 pm
TaxCheat, that last statement is asinine, even for you. The “Republicans” borrowed everything in the trust? Yeah, right. Even when most of the time, Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate. Way to ignore reality, TaxCheat.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
9:05 pm
@ Taxpayer–I should have written that people born after 1939 can begin collecting Social Security age 62 at about a 16% reduction if you start before 66.
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:05 pm
Are there not still prisoners being held at GITMO?
So now it is honorable to claim one has done something eventhough they have done it through words only, no real action or plans in motion, just words?
Just words is quickly becoming a theme of this administration.
Just saying….
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
9:07 pm
Only a child thinks that when the Democrats have a slim majority vote in the House and Senate they are responsible for/can do whatever they want.
The Dems did not have a significant majority in the House and Senate until 2008. The majority was razor thin until then.
Someone needs to brush up on filibuster cloture.
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:07 pm
“There are MILLIONS of educated, enthusiastic individuals who are ready, willing, and able to take any worthwhile opportunity afforded to them. Unfortunately, that opportunity is not forthcoming. It’s been shipped off to India in the case of college-educated individuals or to China in the case of the manufacturing base.”
Those don’t sound like deadbeats. You changed course. One still creates opportunity, but that doesn’t mean it is going to walk in front of your nose. Sometimes one must re-invent themselves to create that opportunity. You think Bill Gates was handed Mocrosoft? He created his opportunity in his garage. What you describe sounds more like an excuse vs an opportunity.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:10 pm
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
9:04 pm
TaxCheat, that last statement is asinine, even for you. The “Republicans” borrowed everything in the trust? Yeah, right. Even when most of the time, Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate. Way to ignore reality, TaxCheat
Quit displaying your ignorance. The Republicans did the borrowing. Yes, right. Now, go back to sleep. Unless you need that hug. Do you need that hug now.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
9:12 pm
TaxCheat, quit displaying your ignorance. The Republicans AND the Democrats did the borrowing. Now go back to being comatose.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
9:13 pm
Public Option, only a child would post without using their real name, especially when we all know you are Chad Harris.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
9:13 pm
“the workers aren’t paying monthly dues to a bunch of slackers in the union local”
No they aren’t…just freeriding on the backs of workers who DO pay union dues…to the unions that are more or less forcing non-union shops to keep up with their pay and benefits.
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:15 pm
Public Option,
So you agree with me then that it is the dems. fault that we have not passed any type of Health Care reform?
According to your 9:05.
They have had the numbers for a while now, waited too long and they lost a vote.
so why have i been seeing people, you included that the lack of HC refrom is due to republicans……..
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
9:17 pm
The Bush administration held hundreds of people at Gitmo with no charges and sat on their butts for 8 years without finding evidence. The Obama administration is doing much of the same thing thus far, although they are working on a plan to try the remianing Gitmo prisoners when and if they get off their butts and find evidence to charge them.
Hundreds have been released who were not charged by the Bush administration and there was no apology whatsoever even though they were held in solitary confinement conditions for years.
State Secrets has been deployed as a defense for those who have sued for torture during their incarceration for which they were not charged.
A case, al-Haramain v. Obama, was argued this morning that is probably the most significant along these lines yet before Judge Vaughn Walker in the ND California. There is arguably more at stake for the Obama administration and its policy of human rights violation parallel to Bush’s than in any other case so far.
So much for the “change” anyone can believe in as to civil rights.
All Obama’s appellate federal filings are well to the right of or identical to Bush’s.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
9:17 pm
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
5:18 pm
…and a visionary world leader.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:17 pm
md:
In fairness to you there have been numerous abuses by Unions (Mafia connections, etc,) On the whole, however, Unions have provided a positive benefit to American society. And, in fairness, I agree that people must seek opportunity. But, I ask you in all honesty, did you “find your own way” or was some opportunity presented to you? Be honest.
I think you can’t accept the conditions that currently exist in our economy. The opportunity you mention has never been so hard to find as it is today.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
9:18 pm
If government spending by Republicans is so bad, then why don’t we reverse it?
Please.
And that’s a hell of an excuse from the immature ones, Bush jumped off the cliff so we can too, nanananaduhblahblah.
fools.
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:19 pm
“just freeriding on the backs of workers who DO pay union dues”
Too bad those workers don’t see the light. I’ve been there, paid years worth of dues only to watch the shop stewards sitting in the next room watching tv all day while the rest of us worked. Unions have a purpose, but they are also highly inefficient.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
9:21 pm
Can anyone imagine the mayhem that would befall us if we took back the No Child’s Behind Left money back from the Teacher’s Unions?
Or busted up the Medicare Part D fiasco?
Bloodcurdling shrieks from the Pinko Nation, like an orchestra of sissies.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:25 pm
md:
I am sincerely sorry that you were subjected to that kind of abuse.
But if you look at the history of unions dating back to the age of the “Robber Barons” many of the things workers take for granted were won by the blood of your predecessors.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
9:26 pm
“Unions have a purpose, but they are also highly inefficient.”
They don’t have to be. If they inefficient it’s because their member let them get away with it.
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:27 pm
Public Option,
But President Obama said today at his speech that he CLOSED gitmo. He didn’t say he has given an order and not much has really been done about it. He didn’t say that infact there are still many, many prisioners there…
Seems like just words, and the funny thing to me is that he is bragging about basically saying words and following through with no action. Especially since there is no legal opposition to him.
Kinda how he says words about health care and implys how it is the republicans fault, but again there is no legal opposition holding him back from doing just that.
So why no action on GITMO or HC ya think?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:32 pm
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
9:12 pm
TaxCheat, quit displaying your ignorance. The Republicans AND the Democrats did the borrowing. Now go back to being comatose.
You really are ignorant. Republicans are the believers of all things deficit. Obama had to resort to continuing Bush’s deficit spending because the Republican policies nearly ran us off the cliff and there were no other good options. Now, go back to sleep. Unless you want that hug now. Do you want your hug now. Come on and I’ll give you your hug. You cute little thang.
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:34 pm
Taxpayer,
What you drinkin tonight?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
9:34 pm
Link: National Geographic News This year’s cooler-than-expected summer means the Arctic probably won’t experience ice-free summers until 2030 or 2040, scientists say. Some models had previously predicted that the Arctic could be ice-free in summer by as soon as 2013, due to rising temperatures from global warming.
I think it could even last until 3577 or maybe 3588, I think.
morons!
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
9:35 pm
“But President Obama said today at his speech that he CLOSED gitmo”
Closed is not the same thing as “closed down” GITMO is not taking any more prisoners…that is closed. What happens to those prisoners still there depends in greatest part on whether enough members of Congress can overcome their fear long enough to fund moving them somewhere else. If not, then they’re going to have to stay there until their cases are resolved one way or another.
Is that an ideal solution? No, probably not…but it’s realistic.
Jay
September 23rd, 2009
9:37 pm
Nothing is Free at 6:24:
The answer you seek was posted at 3:27 on the unemployment post.
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:38 pm
“But, I ask you in all honesty, did you “find your own way” or was some opportunity presented to you? Be honest.”
Many years of night school, full time job, several young humans to raise and given nothing by anyone. Were there is a will there is a way.
We “choose” EVERYTHING we do.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:38 pm
Or busted up the Medicare Part D fiasco?
I think that was one of those retired conservatives at that town hall meeting yelling about the government keeping its hands out of his Medicare. He probably knew about the Republican plan to privatize Medicare and did not care for that. How many of you conservatives out there are planning on signing up for that Republican legislation where you’ll get a voucher instead of Medicare so you can shop for your own coverage. Come on now, show of hands. I know Dave R is going for it, right. Dave RRRRRRRR. Come on now. You can tell us. I’ll give you another hug.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
9:40 pm
But…JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY, that 3:27 isn’t the SOOPER SEEKRIT LAWNG POSSSSSSSST!!!!
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:34 pm
Taxpayer,
What you drinkin tonight?
I live on a natural high most of the time, thomas. Although I do partake of a glass of wine or a beer from time to time. Other than that, just fresh mountain air. No smokes either and no carbonated beverages. I do confess that I do take an Ibuprofen at times after toiling in the garden picking peas or similar activities. Oh, and coffee and tea. I gotta have my caffeine. These old bones just aren’t what they used to be though. Why, I remember when I would just shrug off pain and keep right on going. Those were the days. Just wait til you get aged and arthritic. You’ll know what I mean.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:45 pm
This a test.I think I’ve been blackballed.
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm
“They don’t have to be. If they inefficient it’s because their member let them get away with it.”
No, they don’t have to be, but many are.
And salaries can not rise for unskilled labor based on years of service and allow a company to remain competitive. There comes a time for some workers to realize they are at the peak unless they choose to increase their skills and move to a higher paying job. 50-60k to operate a scewdriver puts the company at a disadvantage and jepordizes everybody’s job.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm
md:
But, I ask you in all honesty, did you “find your own way” or was some opportunity presented to you? Be honest.”
Many years of night school, full time job, several young humans to raise and given nothing by anyone. Were there is a will there is a way.
We “choose” EVERYTHING we do.
MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU AS I AM SURE IS EVERYONE’S ON THIS SITE’S.
But what if you graduated night school only to learn that any opportunities available had been shipped off to India? Would you damn yourself? Would you be understanding? Think about it. Millions are experiencing it now.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm
Ok, try this (offensive) post again:
Taxpayer,
Government serves a valuable function in our society and it must be funded by taxes. Equating emergency disaster relief with welfare is ridiculous.
I’m guessing you knew that. Not.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm
I guess I am blackballed.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:48 pm
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:45 pm
This a test.I think I’ve been blackballed.
Well, mike has expressed a frequent interest in blackface. Maybe you two should get together and work on a routine.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:53 pm
FRIENDS:
THE TIME FOR BICKERING, NAME-CALLING, AND SELF-DEALING IS OVER! Now is the time to return AMERICA to its former greatness! If that means tariffs, hardship, sacrifice WE NEED TO DO IT! DON’T TELL ME HOW PATRIOTIC YOU ARE WHEN YOU BUY PRODUCTS FROM COMMUNIST CHINA! It’s up to you! It’s gut-check time. DO YOU STAND WITH AMERICA OR WITH COMMUNIST CHINA?
ACORN, Health Insurance, etc, NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAT RESTORING THE AMERICAN ECONOMY TO ITS FORMER GREATNESS!
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:54 pm
Taxpayer,
Who is Mike and what are you talking about?
Somehow I think you call yourself “Taxpayer” because you get an “Earned Income Tax Credit.”
Where I come from that’s called welfare.
Thanks for asking.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
Soothsayer,
Please lay off the Caps key and take your meds.
A grateful nation thanks you.
Dusty
September 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
Well, Mr. Bookman @6:20 wanted me to quote lines that led me to believe that the president is saying American is NO GOOD. I will do my best although that was a very long repetitive speech. And one must have the ability to read between the lines, a talent I am not sure Mr. Bookman has acquired. But here are a few lines I did not like or believe to be true..
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“Many around the world had come to view America with skepticism and distrust..
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America has acted unilaterally without the interest of others. This has fed an almost reflective anti-americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for our collective inaction.
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No longer do we have the luxury of indulging our differences to the exclusion of the work we must do together.
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There is no peace without preserving our planet!
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The people of the world want change. They will not tolerate those who are on the wrong side of history.
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That is the future America wants–a future of peace and prosperity that we can only reach that when all nations have rights—
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Then Obama takes responsibility with a bunch of claims most of which are almost unknown but will take a lot of money. Here’s a few of them : agenda for a world without nuclear weapons, Middle East workout, clean energy ($80 billion needed). launch $20 billion global food security, engage the United Nations and several other organizations,.$63 billion for HIV/AIDS.
Obama mentioned that America had once had slavery. He told several “sob” stories. Then he closed by saying America is ready to CHANGE.
“United States stands ready to begin a new chapter of international cooperation, one that recognized the rights and responsibilities of all nations.”
—–
This speech sounds like America has been a bad, bad place but it will do better, somewhat like a bad boy in school. and Obama will take credit for making it good.
This speech will please our enemies.
I think America is the best and we have long been the nation the world turned to for help. People around the world try to get here and stay. I have no patience with those who want to change America to a nebulous nub in a world wheel. Let us continue to work and fight for freedom, not CHANGE for the sake of change.
There, Mr. Bookman, you asked for it.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
I had to watch part of that show about a glee club or something. My wife was laughing so hard that I could not concentrate on my typing. Their football game dance routine was hilarious.
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
Doggone,
So if the grocery store near my house is closed; what you are saying is that they are not taking any new customers but will continue serving those who were customers? And for how long may I ask?
Because i have been in Publix when they announced it was closing time (not closing down time)and I was asked to leave and escorted out.
A real polite employee walked me to the door, at which time he said and I quote, “We can’t close the store until you are not in here.”
But maybe it was him who mis-spoke?
But if you say so, guess I should just take your word.
Is this like that August deadline for Health Care reform thing?
If so should we expect a retreat by the administration closing Gitmo as well?
Oh yes about those who need to overcome their fear, would those be democrat or republican reps. cause unles things have changed the democrats do not need 1 single vote from any republican to pass any legislation.
So are you now saying it is the dems. who are fear mongers?
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm
taxpayer,
just poking at ya.
I know how drunk people are always giving out hugs………
Just checking. !)
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:54 pm
Taxpayer,
Who is Mike and what are you talking about?
Somehow I think you call yourself “Taxpayer” because you get an “Earned Income Tax Credit.”
Where I come from that’s called welfare.
Thanks for asking.
Shhhhh! DON’T TELL ANYONE AND IT CAN BE OUR LITTLE SECRET. OK!
Actually, I call myself taxpayer as a ruse. You’ve paid for everything that I have, even this brand new computer and my internet connection. Now give me hug. I think you need a hug. I’ll share some other secrets with you. And, what is an earned income tax credit. Does it involve working. ewwww. hehehe
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm
Hey, lefties,
Please tell your messiah that I do not want him apologizing for me to that Star Wars bar scene of dictators, tyrants, terrorists, socialists, communists and the other UN miscreants you lefties worship so much.
He’ll listen to you ACORN types before me.
Just sayin.’
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm
“So if the grocery store near my house is closed; what you are saying is that they are not taking any new customers but will continue serving those who were customers?”
You need a better analogy. Last time *I* was in a grocery store they didn’t lock me in and refuse to let me go. Nor did they hold me without any kind of charges, or try me without letting me see the evidence or witnesses against me.
Don’t get it into your pretty little head that I approve of how GITMO has been, or is being handled. I don’t. But all of you conned who think Obama should be able to wave a magic wand and put everything right in an instant need to find another Messiah. This one isn’t up to you expectations. He’s just a man with a LOT on his plate right now and it’s going to take time to get around to everything that needs attention.
“So are you now saying it is the dems. who are fear mongers?”
The ability of the conned to read things that aren’t there just awes me. Try reading my words, and stop listening to the voices in your head.
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
10:02 pm
@F. Sinkwich
What will happen if a nuclear missile DOES NOT go off in Israel?
You attempt at EXTRAPOLATION, CONFLATION and OBFUSCATION is in poor taste and not reflective of someone that appears to be intelligent.
@Nothing Is Free
Regardless of where the action originates, the COURTS will determine if the action is legal, soooooooooo…?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm
taxpayer,
just poking at ya.
I know how drunk people are always giving out hugs………
Just checking. !)
Actually, I know how drunk people like to get hugs. Doesn’t everyone know someone like that. Just don’t let them drive. So, I’m just trying to do my part. Besides, drunks also tend to whine a lot so they really sound like they need lots of hugs. Oh, Dave RRRRRRRR. Do you need a hug.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
10:05 pm
“Please tell your messiah”
You’ll have to tell him yourself. You DO know how to pray don’t you?
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
Because unions are inefficient. Been there — for over 20 years- waste, waste, and more waste.
All this whining about union wages, and not one word about the rock-star salaries of corporate execs over the past thirty years. The Great Re-numerator declared open-season on unions beginning with the air-traffic controllers and his corporate cronies went to school on his lead. Union enrollment has declined over the last quarter century and your still picking at that carcass.
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
“But what if you graduated night school only to learn that any opportunities available had been shipped off to India? Would you damn yourself? Would you be understanding? Think about it. Millions are experiencing it now.”
Life is a challenge, and will seem more challenging at times. Did I get discouraged during my long climb, absolutely. But, I never quit. And I do not believe in rewarding those that give up on themselves. There are making a choice.
On the job front, think its bad now, wait until amnesty is granted for the second time. We went from 5 million illegals to 20 million illegals the first time. Doing it again will more than likely increase it again exponentially. Quit crying about the jobs leaving the country and start worrying about policing our borders to protect the jobs we have left. There is a reason most countries have limits on migrants/immigrants, and its not because we don’t like them.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
10:11 pm
“We went from 5 million illegals to 20 million illegals the first time. Doing it again will more than likely increase it again exponentially.”
We might not have if Congress had gotten off it’s cheap backside and actually FUNDED the enforcement parts of that bill. But yes, if they give “amnesty” (not that any such thing has even been proposed, but let it ride) and don’t fund enforcement…we might have the same problem.
Of course, that would mean SPENDING MONEY on enforcement, wouldn’t it? Nothing is free you know.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:12 pm
And one must have the ability to read between the lines,
Is that how you conservative, family-valued Republicans determine when you need to go and get all pre-emptive on someone’s a$$, Dusty. You just read it between the lines. Is that before or after you look into a person’s soul by staring into their eyes. And, exactly what allows you to identify an “Axis of Eeeeeevil”. Surely, that takes some form of special training like vacation bible school or something. I think Dusty needs more than a hug. She needs many hugs.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
10:13 pm
Jackie:
“What will happen if a nuclear missile DOES NOT go off in Israel?”
Uh, that’s a good thing, right? But Chairman O is enabling Iranian ambitions with his decision to cancel missile defense in eastern Europe coupled with his willingness to engage them diplomatically. That crazy Iranian dictator Chairman O trusts so much thinks Obama is a weakling stooge. So does every other miscreant in the world after that horrible speech.
Bad day for the good ol’ USA.
Josey and the Pussycats
September 23rd, 2009
10:13 pm
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
Do you think Union contracts with the automakers make them more efficient?
Josey and the Kittycats
September 23rd, 2009
10:15 pm
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
Do you think Union contracts with the automakers make them more productive, efficient and competitive?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:16 pm
F. Sinkwich,
Messiahs are equal opportunity listeners, dude. Or so I’ve been told.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
10:17 pm
“But Chairman O is enabling Iranian ambitions with his decision to cancel missile defense in eastern Europe coupled with his willingness to engage them diplomatically”
Nothing beats “mischaracterizing” (personally, I would call it lying) about what he said. He has canceled a non-existent, not-even-at-the-testing-stage long-range missile “defense” system in favor of an existing, tested, ship-based shorter-range missile defense system.
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:18 pm
“All this whining about union wages, and not one word about the rock-star salaries of corporate execs over the past thirty years.”
We were discussing unions tonight, but I’ll be happy to discuss the other as well. Corporate boards have become good ole boy clubs and there needs to be change. The boards, like our gov’t, have forgotten who they are working for – the shareholders. Some top managers are over compensated just as some union members are overcompensated.
There is much work to be done to correct the problems, but I don’t see it coming any time soon. Maybe during the next depression.
When our society pays more for sports and entertainment stars than police, firefighters and soldiers, our priorities are pretty screwed up.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:19 pm
Josey and the Kittycats
Do you think the automaker’s executive salaries make them more productive, efficient and competitive?
Josey and the Kittycats
September 23rd, 2009
10:20 pm
No answer to the question?
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:24 pm
“We might not have if Congress had gotten off it’s cheap backside and actually FUNDED the enforcement parts of that bill. But yes, if they give “amnesty” (not that any such thing has even been proposed, but let it ride) and don’t fund enforcement…we might have the same problem.
Of course, that would mean SPENDING MONEY on enforcement, wouldn’t it? Nothing is free you know.”
Funny, all during the campaigns, all the candidates were going to fix the border first. Can’t even think about amnesty etc until we fix that border.
Border ain’t fixed.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:24 pm
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
9:18 pm
Duh, because we faced the biggest economic challenge since the Great Depression. There’s a difference in spending and investing.
Takes one to know one! Careful or you’ll get sent to your room without your midnight snack by Jay.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:27 pm
Some top managers are over compensated just as some union members are overcompensated.
Really? You think? I had a subscription to the WSJ back in the 80’s, and remember a story about executive compensation—U.S. corps. vs. Japanese. Back then it was Japanese CEO pay was 80:1 to the average worker’s. U.S. CEO 160:1 to the average worker’s. Today, the CEO pay is 560:1 to average worker’s.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:28 pm
When our society pays more for sports and entertainment stars than police, firefighters and soldiers, our priorities are pretty screwed up.
Why, md, we’ve found common ground. Granted, it is a very small patch on a very small planet in a very large universe but… it’s something.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:28 pm
No answer to the question?
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:30 pm
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:19 pm
The union is only as good as its members, so you were partly to blame.
I once had to get up and go in at Lockheed to work ovetime or lose the opportunity. After an hour of operating computer equipment in 2 rooms I went to the supervisor and told him if the rest of the crew didn’t end their smoke break I was going home. I had a grievance filed against me once because I didn’t take a scheduled break. Also because I allowed a non-union worker (programmer) to hang a magnetic tape.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Priorities do tend to kick in when you have one buck and ten things that you need that cost a buck. The border can wait. Besides, we’d only be keeping them in when they’re trying to get out right now.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm
F Sinkwich:
Thanks, I don’t take any meds. Everything I know I learned from GEORGE!
md:
You will not find a stronger advocate for closing our American borders to illegals. Especially now that many have gone home. This is the perfect time to strike! It’s too late to close the barn door after the horses have escaped!
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm
@F. Sinkwich
President Obama is canceling something that is CONCEPTUAL!!!!!!
We currently have ACTUAL short range missle defense systems on ships in the Persian Gulf and other oceans. Is there anything else we should do short of invasion?
Secondly, what should we do if Israel invades Iran?
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:19 pm
Make that at 3:00am to work overtime.
Josey and the Kittycats
September 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm
This isn’t a boxing match Kamchak. Dance around it all you want. A simple yes or no would have sufficed with the question I asked. Now, for some reason, I am expected to answer your thoughtless question, without you having the courtesy to answer mine. You’re the same kind of BOZO that you condemn here, every day.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:36 pm
I don’t think there is any danger of Israel invading Iran. But they might bomb suspected nuclear facilities, which would be a huge mistake.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:37 pm
md:
Did I get discouraged during my long climb, absolutely. But, I never quit. And I do not believe in rewarding those that give up on themselves. There are making a choice.
By all means, throw those less fortunate than you under the bus. I just hope for your sake that you are not laid off.
Jay
September 23rd, 2009
10:38 pm
Dusty suggests that these statements by Obama, among others, are evidence that he believes “America is NO GOOD:”
“No longer do we have the luxury of indulging our differences to the exclusion of the work we must do together.
——————————————————-
There is no peace without preserving our planet!
————————————————————
The people of the world want change. They will not tolerate those who are on the wrong side of history.
————————————————————–
That is the future America wants–a future of peace and prosperity that we can only reach that when all nations have rights.”
To believe those constitute attacks on America, one must believe that America is on the wrong side of history, that America does not believe that all nations have rights, that America is not interested in preserving the planet, that America is willing to indulge our differences to the exclusion of the work we must do together.
I don’t believe those things about America. I don’t believe President Obama believes those things about America.
Yet apparently Dusty, who advocates reading between the lines, DOES believe those things.
Dusty, why do you hate America?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:39 pm
TnGelding,
I remember taking a tour of Lockheed many moons ago and I recall seeing this little experimental remote controlled thing that looked like it could have come from the movie set of “War of the Worlds”. Was it from Roswell. I never could get a straight answer.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:39 pm
“Russian links Iran sanctions to US missile change”
NEW YORK (AP) – With a diplomatic wink and nod, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev opened the door Wednesday to backing potential sanctions against Iran as a reward to President Barack Obama’s decision to scale back a U.S. missile shield in Eastern Europe. While U.S. and Russian officials denied a flat-out quid pro quo, Medvedev told the U.N. General Assembly that Obama’s pivot on a missile defense plan long loathed by Moscow “deserves a positive response.” Obama himself has said his missile decision may have spurred Russian good will as a “bonus.”
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_IRAN?SITE=GACAT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-09-23-21-55-35
Dusty
September 23rd, 2009
10:40 pm
Taxpayer,
Pre-emptive strike?? Axis of evil? Bless your little heart, you’ve been playing war games again. Now run off to bed and be a good boy. It’s gonna be OK…
But poor baby, looking into someones eyes on a blog? Axis of evil?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:40 pm
Jay, I can’t believe you’re up this late!
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:42 pm
“The union is only as good as its members, so you were partly to blame.”
You are correct. I was “young, dumb and stupid”. The old saying of “if I knew then what I know now” certainly applies.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
DoggoneGA:
Canceling the missile defense systems in eastern Europe appeases whom? Putin, maybe? While at the same time sending the message to the former Soviet block of nations that we’re more interested in buddy-buddy with the Russian dictator than their freedom?
This is big-boy geopolitics and President Kum-bye-ah isn’t up to the task. He proved it today.
But you knew that.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
Dusty, why do you hate America?
JAY! You didn’t! You asked the most sacred of Republican patriot questions that may only be asked by the most conservative family-valued patriotic Republicans. I’m feeling a fainting spell coming on. This could be the big one. I hope your moderators are up to the task.
Jay
September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
Me either, Soothsayer. I’m an early to bed, early to rise kind of guy, but I’ve been out and about, and am now calling it a night.
“It’s a night.”
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:45 pm
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:39 pm
A moon rock could have performed the work of some of my coworkers. But of course, since I was low in seniority, I was the first to go when the inevitable layoffs came. I interviewed for the job on a Friday and went to work the following Monday. I thought I really blew their socks off. Years later I learned they got a bonus form Uncle Sam for hiring a USAF veteran
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:45 pm
Dusty, give me a big hug before you read Jay’s reply. OK. I just know that you’re going to need it.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:42 pm
That Lockheed job was the only union job I ever held.
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm
@TnGelding
You and I know that Israel would not invade Iran, but may try to bomb some of the nuclear facilities. In my humble opinion, this action would cascade into global war. There would be nothing we could do to protect israel because the country is so small, one nuclear weapon in the area would be devastating.
If this scenario were to play itself out, the world economy would fall on its proverbial face because the Straits of Hormuz would be closed and many of the ports in the Gulf would be closed because of nuclear fallout.
What would we do for oil and other energy sources?
It appears the keyboard warriors have not thought through the ramifications of this problem.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:48 pm
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
No way the reply will ever make it through, unless Jay releases it.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
10:50 pm
Dusty, why do you hate America?
Jay, i’ve been asking her the very same question for the better part of two years, but as yet she can’t explain it. Or won’t.
After all, she spent the last two years of Duh-bya’s administration insisting on Wooten’s blog that anyone who DARED to disagree with her Fearless Leader was a TRAITOR! TRAITOR! TRAITOR!, simply because they disagreed with Fearless Leader. Since she’s now disagreeing with the current POTUS, I see she’s embraced her treachery.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:50 pm
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm
As small as it is and as well-armed as it is, I’m thinking a well placed firecracker would send the entire country up in smoke.
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:50 pm
“By all means, throw those less fortunate than you under the bus. I just hope for your sake that you are not laid off.”
“Less fortunate”. Interesting choice of words. Not all people that end up in that boat are “unfortunate”. As I said, we choose everything we do, and many in that boat choose to be there. I have no sympathy for the ones that made a conscious decision to be in that boat.
There is a difference between “won’t” care for oneself and “can’t” care for oneself. I’ll bend over backwards helping the ones that “can’t”, but the ones that “won’t” need to get their butts in gear.
Oh, and I have been laid off many times during my career, thats where the re-inventing oneself comes into play.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
10:53 pm
Jackie @ 10:46 – f this scenario were to play itself out, the world economy would fall on its proverbial face because the Straits of Hormuz would be closed and many of the ports in the Gulf would be closed because of nuclear fallout. What would we do for oil and other energy sources? It appears the keyboard warriors have not thought through the ramifications of this problem.
Oh, yes, the 101st Chairborne most certainly HAVE thought this thru. At that point, The Rapture occurs and they no longer have a “problem”.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:53 pm
F. Sinkwich:
Canceling the missile defense systems in eastern Europe appeases whom? Putin, maybe? While at the same time sending the message to the former Soviet block of nations that we’re more interested in buddy-buddy with the Russian dictator than their freedom?
You are proving what a true imbecile you are! We gave a non-working system (land-based) for one that works (ship based) and gained the support and cooperation of a potential ally in the region. The time for “stick-your-finger-in-the-eye” diplomacy is over.
For an insight you should refer to the Russian Missile Crisis. The Russians removed their missiles from Cuba and WE REMOVED OURS from Turkey.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
10:56 pm
Meanwhile, the Teabaggers have apparently bagged ‘em one: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/09/census_worker_found_hanged_in.html
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:59 pm
md:
“By all means, throw those less fortunate than you under the bus. I just hope for your sake that you are not laid off.”
“Less fortunate”. Interesting choice of words. Not all people that end up in that boat are “unfortunate”. As I said, we choose everything we do, and many in that boat choose to be there. I have no sympathy for the ones that made a conscious decision to be in that boat.
There is a difference between “won’t” care for oneself and “can’t” care for oneself. I’ll bend over backwards helping the ones that “can’t”, but the ones that “won’t” need to get their butts in gear.
Oh, and I have been laid off many times during my career, thats where the re-inventing oneself comes into play.
GREAT CAVALIER ATTITUDE! I hope it serves you well when your job is shipped off to India!
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
11:01 pm
@GayGrayGeek
Do you notice that it takes the so-called conservatives a few minutes to try and concoct a response to anything that can be backed with facts.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
11:04 pm
Jackie, you’ve got to remember – to the wingnuts, nothing is a “fact” unless it passes the lips of one of their holy trinity – The Limbaugh, The Sean, and The Holy Beck – or is aired on one of the Faux Poutrage infotainment programs.
md
September 23rd, 2009
11:05 pm
“You are proving what a true imbecile you are! We gave a non-working system (land-based) for one that works (ship based) and gained the support and cooperation of a potential ally in the region. The time for “stick-your-finger-in-the-eye” diplomacy is over.”
No need for name calling.
Its not always that simple in geopolitics. Actions usually have more than one consequence. From Poland:
“some prominent figures in the region, such as former Polish President Lech Walesa, worried the new U.S. administration was turning away from its traditional allies in Central Europe to placate Russia. “It’s not that we need the shield, but it’s about the way we’re treated here,” Mr. Walesa said on Polish TV.”
Eastern Europe has the most to lose in this game with Russia, they remember the many years under soviet rule. We have been lucky in that regard.
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
11:06 pm
@GayGrayGeek
It must be “factual” if they can not find a rejoinder on one of their websites!
This silence is deafening.
md
September 23rd, 2009
11:09 pm
“GREAT CAVALIER ATTITUDE! I hope it serves you well when your job is shipped off to India!”
Were you by chance in the drama club in high school?
Tell you what, I’ll take care of the ones that “can’t” help themselves, and you take care of the ones that “won’t” since you seem to be so worried about them. Maybe when they get through taking advantage of you you will see the light.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
11:15 pm
This isn’t a boxing match Kamchak. Dance around it all you want. A simple yes or no would have sufficed with the question i asked.
No it wouldn’t–it would have taken several paragraphs to unpack that loaded question.
Now for some reason, I am expected to answer your thoughtless question, without the courtesy to answer mine.
I phrased my question the same way you phrased yours. Don’t blame me for the “thoughtless” structure.
You’re the same kind of BOZO that you condemn here, every day.
But I’m not here “every day.” Furthermore I have been accused of not staying on topic and engaging in “chit-chat,” so evidently I don’t have time for condemnation.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
11:25 pm
Alaska added about 1000 union workers between 2007 and 2008, and nearly one-quarter of the state’s workers are in unions. That percentage is one of the highest in the country.
Let’s erect a statue of Samuel Gompers in Wassila.
Dusty
September 23rd, 2009
11:28 pm
Well,
The best that Bookman can do is to say that I hate America. Simplistic prejudiced partisanship!
I wrote a message in return and the blog reports in big black letters that IT COULD NOT TAKE MY POST..????? Wasn’t even moderation ???
Thanks a lot, Bookman. You and this blog are not operating too well.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
11:35 pm
DustBuster – Simplistic prejudiced partisanship!
Of which you are a demonstrated maven, m’dear.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
11:37 pm
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
Told ya.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
11:47 pm
TnGelding
Where is dB’s fainting couch when you need it?
Dusty
September 23rd, 2009
11:53 pm
GGG.
You still hiding out in Canada? Good! Now try to be original and don’t copy what I say so often. That makes you a simplistic prejudiced partisan plagiarist ! Kapeche?
G’nite..
GayGrayGeek
September 24th, 2009
12:03 am
DustBuster – Why not answer Jay’s question?
WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, DUSTY?
George American
September 24th, 2009
12:22 am
SNOPES” VALIDATES THE FACTS BELOW :
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s home district includes San Francisco .
StarKist Tuna’s headquarters are in San Francisco , Pelosi’s home district.
StarKist is owned by Del Monte Foods and is a major contributor to Pelosi.
StarKist is the major employer in American Samoa employing 75% of the Samoan work force.
Paul Pelosi, Nancy ’s husband, owns $17 million dollars of StarKist stock.
In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25, Pelosi had
American Samoa exempted from the increase so Del Monte would not have to pay the higher wage. This would make Del Monte products less expensive than that of its competitors.
Last week when the huge bailout bill was passed, Pelosi added an earmark to the final bill adding $33 million dollars for an “economic development credit in American Samoa ”
Pelosi has called the Bush Administration “CORRUPT” and many other things !!!
How do you spell “HYPOCRISY” ? SHE’S SHAMELESS….
EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD GET THIS E-MAIL. PASS IT AROUND …..!!!
BP
September 24th, 2009
2:09 am
O.K. your pushed my last button I self identify as a liberal. As a member of a union I was pulled to the side in the most remote part of a warehouse ant told by the shop steward to “knock it off”. I asked him what was the meaning of his request he said “your stats for work efficeny are at 200% or more every day and we (the UNION) are trying to get these efficeny ratings thrown out.” Believe me when I say unions are for the people who don’t want to work. BTW I had to agree to join the union or the company I worked for would not be allowed (their word) to hire me.
dusty's sister
September 24th, 2009
2:18 am
DustBuster – Why not answer Jay’s question?
WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, DUSTY?
BP
September 24th, 2009
2:29 am
After military service and working my way through school. I began work in the IT field. Now today I find myself on the street after 25 years with a company because they have outsourced my job to Brazil. Twelve years until I can access the money I have paid into SS for the past thirty seven years. Oh there are still positions I could do at my former employer but they have hired
people from India to come here with special work visas because they “cannot find U.S. citizens to do the work”. WHAT? Here I am pick me! Corporations are abusing these laws left and right. If the government cared they would crack down on these abuses now. That would be change I can believe in.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
4:12 am
BP
September 24th, 2009
2:09 am
I got layed-off at Lockheed due to a RIF. The shop steward walked me to the headhouse. They called me back and I refused to rejoin the union. He called me a scab, but that didn’t stop him from riding to work with me. Are you still out there somewhere Gary?
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
4:23 am
BP
September 24th, 2009
2:29 am
Congress sold us out to big busineess, and big business has deserted us. That’s where the rage should be directed, not at Obama. But you’re right, he could be doing something to stop it.
Are you talking full SS benefits at 67 or did you start work at 13? At least with 25 years with the company you should have a pension coming and a sizeable 401(k). I’d recommend you start drawing your reduced SS benefits at 62 and put them in savings. A bird in the hand… But talk to your acountant or financial advisor.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
4:33 am
BP
September 24th, 2009
2:29 am
I sent our comments to the White House with the admonition to “Do something”.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 24th, 2009
4:57 am
Tryin’ to get things done early before long day. Noticed that
.Acorn Sues Over Video as I.R.S. Severs Ties
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/us/politics/24acorn.html?hp
What time today does Acorn address the UN? They couldn’t do worse than Mommar Kadafi or Mahmoud Ahmadinajad who are premiering a new NBC fall special next week as two wild and crazy brothers who look for hotties.
Polk Cty. Fla. narc squad play Wii Bowling executing search warrant. Will Nintendo capitalize with commercial of video? http://bit.ly/BUASR
Of all the hysteria joints in all the towns, the right wing whackjobs walk into mine.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 24th, 2009
5:39 am
All you right wingnut whackjobs can now roundup your immigrant friends and tip them to the new website to update their status. The vast majority of them work as hard as you do to benefit this country.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/22/AR2009092202424.html
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 24th, 2009
5:46 am
Seems as though Obozo’s patriotism is the real question at hand on this blog-
Gadhafi, who spoke just after President Barack Obama, had praise for the U.S. leader. “The election of Obama is the beginning of change,” he said and applauded Obama’s stated commitment to nuclear disarmament.-Urinal
Any questions?
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 24th, 2009
5:52 am
What would bite most of you wingnuts in the butt first? A moose or a Federal Reporter?
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 24th, 2009
5:55 am
The more people, however bad their past, that praise a US leader at this time, the better. A lot of people are dead because they hate bush and the moron right wing whackjobs that blindly followed him.
A significant portion of people in places like Iran and other “third world countries” are inclined to be pro-US, and it’s all about educating the young and giving them productive reasons not to want to blow your butt up.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 24th, 2009
6:06 am
This should disturb every American, democrats and Republicans alike, brainwashing innocent children, especially of this age, is not what we send our kids to school for-
SHOCK VIDEO: School kids taught to praise Obama…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqMTD5UFmU
This is so Pol Pot.
AmVet
September 24th, 2009
6:16 am
“…democrats and Republicans alike.”
Just like blacks and Whites, right White Welching bigot?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 24th, 2009
6:19 am
These liberals prey on children-
“The American people…just like your teenage kids, aren’t acting in a way that they should act,” the Wall Street Journal quoted Chu as saying earlier this week, which added that environmental officials in the Obama administration have “launched a cross-country tour of 6,000 schools to teach students about climate change and energy efficiency.” Neumayr, AmSpec
Never mind the depravity and sickness, is it any wonder we have the lowest SAT scores for any developed nation?
This is an outrage.
Bud Wiser
September 24th, 2009
6:23 am
All the uppity muslim was missing while he continually trashed America was a turban, a bedsheet, and that little whip they use when they beat themselves.
It was the most disgusting grovelling on a world stage ever, and it was by our president.
Aren’t you libtards and 94 %ers proud now?
You disgust me.
Sluggo
September 24th, 2009
6:28 am
Obama is a naive moron who is just not up to the task before him.
I was embarrassed by his speech and afraid for my country.
USinUK
September 24th, 2009
6:41 am
“Bush was a naive moron who was just not up to the task before him.”
there. fyt.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
7:07 am
Sluggo
September 24th, 2009
6:28 am
I’m embarrassed for you.
Sluggo
September 24th, 2009
7:10 am
RJ needs to wander over to Cyn’s blog for the lunacy discussion. Put the scissors down first.
Taxpayer
September 24th, 2009
7:10 am
Never mind the depravity and sickness, is it any wonder we have the lowest SAT scores for any developed nation?
Just add it to the long list of things that the Republicans left us to fix.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
7:10 am
“America armed, but guns not necessarily loaded”
“We are working overtime and still can’t keep up with the demand,” said Al Russo, spokesman for North Carolina-based Remington Arms Company, which makes bullets for rifles, handguns and shotguns. “We’ve had to add a fourth shift and go 24-7. It’s a phenomenon that I have not seen before in my 30 years in the business.”
“Americans usually buy about 7 billion rounds of ammunition a year, according to the National Rifle Association. In the past year, that figure has jumped to about 9 billion rounds, said NRA spokeswoman Vickie Cieplak.” (Good source of revenue?)
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/america-armed-but-guns-145010.html
(Not necessarily, but probably.)
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
7:12 am
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 24th, 2009
5:46 am
Wasn’t it the previous administration that gave him legitimacy?
Taxpayer
September 24th, 2009
7:14 am
Anything that Obama does that embarrasses a neocon or anything that a neocon hates about Obama are both most excellent things. Great job, President Obama. You are indeed the President of the United States of America.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
7:17 am
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 24th, 2009
6:06 am
I couldn’t understand the words, but we wouldn’t want our children to respect their president now, would we? Besides, it’s needed to overcome the misinformation some of them are getting at home.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
7:19 am
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 24th, 2009
6:19 am
Heaven forbid if we actually teach our children about their world. SAT scores? Look no further than our breeding habits.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
7:21 am
Bud Wiser
September 24th, 2009
6:23 am
I shouldn’t comment since I didn’t see the speech and haven’t read it, but wasn’t he more or less challenging the entire world, not just America?
stands for decibels
September 24th, 2009
7:22 am
I am shocked, shocked, that the same teabaggers who believe “their” country was destroyed in November of 2008, think that Obama’s UN speech was offensive.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
7:23 am
Sluggo
September 24th, 2009
6:28 am
I doubt that you could even identify that task, and people like you scare the hell out of many of us. Have you stocked up on your ammunition? Better hide it from your wife and kids.
stands for decibels
September 24th, 2009
7:23 am
Um Jay, my 7.18? moderated? why?
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
7:27 am
stands for decibels
September 24th, 2009
7:23 am
Must be your lucky day! Buy lottery tickets.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 24th, 2009
7:27 am
NeoCons hate it?
Well, then ……. That makes it a very good thing.
Cheers for our President Obama. I’m so proud to have had the opportunity to vote for him.
oh and, hatey hate hate, hateful, haterism, hate-o-ghetti.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
7:30 am
Mrs. Godzilla
September 24th, 2009
7:27 am
Well, I voted for him, but I’m a little disappointed so far. He needs to give the doctors in Congress an audience, for one thing. And to continue to say he isn’t going to raise taxes on the middle class (income?) isn’t realistic.
Finn McCool
September 24th, 2009
7:31 am
Criticizing the president during wartime is fine. Hypocrisy, on the other hand, isn’t. You either unequivocally support the president in wartime or you don’t. You can’t have it both ways, wingnuts.
http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2009/03/convenient_patr.html
OUCH!
stands for decibels
September 24th, 2009
7:32 am
NeoCons hate it?
Well, then ……. That makes it a very good thing.
Strictly speaking, no, it doesn’t. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
That said, I heard a big chunk of Obama’s speech unfiltered (audio podcast in the car, only way to go, folks–here’s one of my favorite feeds if’n you’re interested) and felt it struck a responsible tone for that forum.
Normal
September 24th, 2009
7:33 am
MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
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environmental officials in the Obama administration have “launched a cross-country tour of 6,000 schools to teach students about climate change and energy efficiency.”
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OMG. SOCIALISTIC BRAINWASHING!!!
Imagine the depravity of teaching our children to be responsible to our planet! Oh, the Humanity, the sky is falling, the sky is falling…
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brainwashing innocent children, especially of this age, is not what we send our kids to school for-
Where were you when children were brainwashed by having to recite the Pledge of Alliegence, every morning in school, complete with the added Theocratic phrase “Under God”? Poor Whiner.
stands for decibels
September 24th, 2009
7:34 am
Must be your lucky day! Buy lottery tickets.
maybe. Funny thing is, my post consisted of a verbatim copy/paste of Bud’s racist screed, followed up by a polite wish that the AJC had picked Bud instead of Kyle Wingfield to represent the right wing on their editorial page.
Can’t fathom what the electronic bluenose found offensive about that.
Finn McCool
September 24th, 2009
7:38 am
I don’t see many illegal hispanic immigrants cruising blogs all day. Perhaps they are out working?
Those of you who lambast them all day on the blogs, what exactly are you doing? Perhaps you are paying them to do your work so you can cruise the blogs all day?
We know who keeps this country afloat: The working man, no matter his/her skin color or employment capacity. And these working folks will not be denied health coverage any longer.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 24th, 2009
7:41 am
TN
Can’t agree with ya’.
The doctors in congress can say all they wish, I remember that Bill Frist certainly did. I’m more comfortable with the opinions of Doctors who are still praticing – still in the trenches so to speak.
AND, I don’t think his promise to raise the taxes on the middle class is the least bit unrealistic.
Consider this “The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period.” (Citizens for Tax Justice) This was a change in the tax rate from 39% to 35% on the teeny tiny minority of the wealthiest Americans.
These are the folks who’s taxes will and should increase.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 24th, 2009
7:44 am
I wonder …..have Lou Dobbs and Michelle Bachmann seen this?
“A U.S. Census worker found hanging from a tree near a Kentucky cemetery had the word “fed” scrawled on his chest, a law enforcement official said Wednesday, and the FBI is investigating whether he was a victim of anti-government sentiment.”
here:
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/census-worker-found-hanged/
Normal
September 24th, 2009
7:54 am
Upstairs, y’all
Taxpayer
September 24th, 2009
8:00 am
Mrs. G,
There are some some sick twisted minds out there. It looks like at least one of them is holed up in Kentucky. Justice will be served, hot or cold.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
8:03 am
Mrs. Godzilla
September 24th, 2009
7:41 am
Didn’t you mean NOT to raise taxes?
Everyone got a tax break under Bush, just most of it didn’t mean that much to anyone but the most wealthy among us, but only because the Democrats insisted. With a nearly $2 trillion deficit this year and over a trillion for years to come, we’re all going to have to start paying our fair share. We aren’t paying anything, but I planned it like that. Do you feel like you could kick in a little more and not be over-burdened?
Mrs. Godzilla
September 24th, 2009
8:09 am
TN – yep you’d be a great editor.
…right now it would be a burden, but I’d do it for my fellow Americans. I just don’t think the top of the ladder is actually paying their fair share.
N.J.
September 24th, 2009
1:11 pm
Of course because the very premise of the neo-con philosophy is for America to rape the rest of the world in order to keep Americans living the American lifestyle. Ever read the PNAC document. Founding document of the Neo-Cons, it espouses creating an American world empire using military force to overthrow government that are important to American vital interests(read “large American corporations overseas”) Basically it is an imperialistic, colonial policy.