Obama at the UN: World loves it, neo-cons hate it
President Obama’s speech to the United Nations was well-received, at least by the world leaders and ambassadors assembled for the occasion. As The Wall Street Journal reported, Obama “sought to distance his country from the era of his White House predecessor, vowing that “America will live by its values” on human rights even as he said he would take to task the abuses and failures of allies and foes alike.”
“The U.S. president clearly tried to turn the page on the Bush era. He spoke of his decisions to ban the use of torture and close the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The U.S., he said, has “moved from a bystander to a leader in international climate negotiations.” He pledged to soon seek the ratification of the Comprehensive nuclear Test Ban Treaty and pursue deep cuts to the U.S. nuclear arsenal…
As he spoke, the dramatics that had greeted some of the addresses of President George W. Bush were nowhere in evidence.
But Mr. Obama did call on the world to give up a “an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for our collective inaction.”
“Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world’s problems alone. We have sought — in word and deed — a new era of engagement with the world,” he said. “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.”
Over the National Review’s Corner, however, the reviews were not so kind. Words such as “shameful,” “appalling,” “galactic obliviousness” and “staggering naivete” were being bandied about. Former UN Ambassador John Bolton called it “a post-American speech by our first post-American president.”
Here’s the text of the speech. Go read it yourself, and judge for yourself. Personally, I think the folks at the Corner have utterly lost it.
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md
September 23rd, 2009
9:19 pm
“just freeriding on the backs of workers who DO pay union dues”
Too bad those workers don’t see the light. I’ve been there, paid years worth of dues only to watch the shop stewards sitting in the next room watching tv all day while the rest of us worked. Unions have a purpose, but they are also highly inefficient.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
9:21 pm
Can anyone imagine the mayhem that would befall us if we took back the No Child’s Behind Left money back from the Teacher’s Unions?
Or busted up the Medicare Part D fiasco?
Bloodcurdling shrieks from the Pinko Nation, like an orchestra of sissies.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:25 pm
md:
I am sincerely sorry that you were subjected to that kind of abuse.
But if you look at the history of unions dating back to the age of the “Robber Barons” many of the things workers take for granted were won by the blood of your predecessors.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
9:26 pm
“Unions have a purpose, but they are also highly inefficient.”
They don’t have to be. If they inefficient it’s because their member let them get away with it.
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:27 pm
Public Option,
But President Obama said today at his speech that he CLOSED gitmo. He didn’t say he has given an order and not much has really been done about it. He didn’t say that infact there are still many, many prisioners there…
Seems like just words, and the funny thing to me is that he is bragging about basically saying words and following through with no action. Especially since there is no legal opposition to him.
Kinda how he says words about health care and implys how it is the republicans fault, but again there is no legal opposition holding him back from doing just that.
So why no action on GITMO or HC ya think?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:32 pm
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
9:12 pm
TaxCheat, quit displaying your ignorance. The Republicans AND the Democrats did the borrowing. Now go back to being comatose.
You really are ignorant. Republicans are the believers of all things deficit. Obama had to resort to continuing Bush’s deficit spending because the Republican policies nearly ran us off the cliff and there were no other good options. Now, go back to sleep. Unless you want that hug now. Do you want your hug now. Come on and I’ll give you your hug. You cute little thang.
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:34 pm
Taxpayer,
What you drinkin tonight?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
9:34 pm
Link: National Geographic News This year’s cooler-than-expected summer means the Arctic probably won’t experience ice-free summers until 2030 or 2040, scientists say. Some models had previously predicted that the Arctic could be ice-free in summer by as soon as 2013, due to rising temperatures from global warming.
I think it could even last until 3577 or maybe 3588, I think.
morons!
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
9:35 pm
“But President Obama said today at his speech that he CLOSED gitmo”
Closed is not the same thing as “closed down” GITMO is not taking any more prisoners…that is closed. What happens to those prisoners still there depends in greatest part on whether enough members of Congress can overcome their fear long enough to fund moving them somewhere else. If not, then they’re going to have to stay there until their cases are resolved one way or another.
Is that an ideal solution? No, probably not…but it’s realistic.
Jay
September 23rd, 2009
9:37 pm
Nothing is Free at 6:24:
The answer you seek was posted at 3:27 on the unemployment post.
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:38 pm
“But, I ask you in all honesty, did you “find your own way” or was some opportunity presented to you? Be honest.”
Many years of night school, full time job, several young humans to raise and given nothing by anyone. Were there is a will there is a way.
We “choose” EVERYTHING we do.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:38 pm
Or busted up the Medicare Part D fiasco?
I think that was one of those retired conservatives at that town hall meeting yelling about the government keeping its hands out of his Medicare. He probably knew about the Republican plan to privatize Medicare and did not care for that. How many of you conservatives out there are planning on signing up for that Republican legislation where you’ll get a voucher instead of Medicare so you can shop for your own coverage. Come on now, show of hands. I know Dave R is going for it, right. Dave RRRRRRRR. Come on now. You can tell us. I’ll give you another hug.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
9:40 pm
But…JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY, that 3:27 isn’t the SOOPER SEEKRIT LAWNG POSSSSSSSST!!!!
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:34 pm
Taxpayer,
What you drinkin tonight?
I live on a natural high most of the time, thomas. Although I do partake of a glass of wine or a beer from time to time. Other than that, just fresh mountain air. No smokes either and no carbonated beverages. I do confess that I do take an Ibuprofen at times after toiling in the garden picking peas or similar activities. Oh, and coffee and tea. I gotta have my caffeine. These old bones just aren’t what they used to be though. Why, I remember when I would just shrug off pain and keep right on going. Those were the days. Just wait til you get aged and arthritic. You’ll know what I mean.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:45 pm
This a test.I think I’ve been blackballed.
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm
“They don’t have to be. If they inefficient it’s because their member let them get away with it.”
No, they don’t have to be, but many are.
And salaries can not rise for unskilled labor based on years of service and allow a company to remain competitive. There comes a time for some workers to realize they are at the peak unless they choose to increase their skills and move to a higher paying job. 50-60k to operate a scewdriver puts the company at a disadvantage and jepordizes everybody’s job.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm
md:
But, I ask you in all honesty, did you “find your own way” or was some opportunity presented to you? Be honest.”
Many years of night school, full time job, several young humans to raise and given nothing by anyone. Were there is a will there is a way.
We “choose” EVERYTHING we do.
MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU AS I AM SURE IS EVERYONE’S ON THIS SITE’S.
But what if you graduated night school only to learn that any opportunities available had been shipped off to India? Would you damn yourself? Would you be understanding? Think about it. Millions are experiencing it now.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm
Ok, try this (offensive) post again:
Taxpayer,
Government serves a valuable function in our society and it must be funded by taxes. Equating emergency disaster relief with welfare is ridiculous.
I’m guessing you knew that. Not.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm
I guess I am blackballed.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:48 pm
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:45 pm
This a test.I think I’ve been blackballed.
Well, mike has expressed a frequent interest in blackface. Maybe you two should get together and work on a routine.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:53 pm
FRIENDS:
THE TIME FOR BICKERING, NAME-CALLING, AND SELF-DEALING IS OVER! Now is the time to return AMERICA to its former greatness! If that means tariffs, hardship, sacrifice WE NEED TO DO IT! DON’T TELL ME HOW PATRIOTIC YOU ARE WHEN YOU BUY PRODUCTS FROM COMMUNIST CHINA! It’s up to you! It’s gut-check time. DO YOU STAND WITH AMERICA OR WITH COMMUNIST CHINA?
ACORN, Health Insurance, etc, NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAT RESTORING THE AMERICAN ECONOMY TO ITS FORMER GREATNESS!
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:54 pm
Taxpayer,
Who is Mike and what are you talking about?
Somehow I think you call yourself “Taxpayer” because you get an “Earned Income Tax Credit.”
Where I come from that’s called welfare.
Thanks for asking.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
Soothsayer,
Please lay off the Caps key and take your meds.
A grateful nation thanks you.
Dusty
September 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
Well, Mr. Bookman @6:20 wanted me to quote lines that led me to believe that the president is saying American is NO GOOD. I will do my best although that was a very long repetitive speech. And one must have the ability to read between the lines, a talent I am not sure Mr. Bookman has acquired. But here are a few lines I did not like or believe to be true..
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“Many around the world had come to view America with skepticism and distrust..
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America has acted unilaterally without the interest of others. This has fed an almost reflective anti-americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for our collective inaction.
—————————————————
No longer do we have the luxury of indulging our differences to the exclusion of the work we must do together.
——————————————————-
There is no peace without preserving our planet!
————————————————————
The people of the world want change. They will not tolerate those who are on the wrong side of history.
————————————————————–
That is the future America wants–a future of peace and prosperity that we can only reach that when all nations have rights—
————————————————-
Then Obama takes responsibility with a bunch of claims most of which are almost unknown but will take a lot of money. Here’s a few of them : agenda for a world without nuclear weapons, Middle East workout, clean energy ($80 billion needed). launch $20 billion global food security, engage the United Nations and several other organizations,.$63 billion for HIV/AIDS.
Obama mentioned that America had once had slavery. He told several “sob” stories. Then he closed by saying America is ready to CHANGE.
“United States stands ready to begin a new chapter of international cooperation, one that recognized the rights and responsibilities of all nations.”
—–
This speech sounds like America has been a bad, bad place but it will do better, somewhat like a bad boy in school. and Obama will take credit for making it good.
This speech will please our enemies.
I think America is the best and we have long been the nation the world turned to for help. People around the world try to get here and stay. I have no patience with those who want to change America to a nebulous nub in a world wheel. Let us continue to work and fight for freedom, not CHANGE for the sake of change.
There, Mr. Bookman, you asked for it.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
I had to watch part of that show about a glee club or something. My wife was laughing so hard that I could not concentrate on my typing. Their football game dance routine was hilarious.
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
Doggone,
So if the grocery store near my house is closed; what you are saying is that they are not taking any new customers but will continue serving those who were customers? And for how long may I ask?
Because i have been in Publix when they announced it was closing time (not closing down time)and I was asked to leave and escorted out.
A real polite employee walked me to the door, at which time he said and I quote, “We can’t close the store until you are not in here.”
But maybe it was him who mis-spoke?
But if you say so, guess I should just take your word.
Is this like that August deadline for Health Care reform thing?
If so should we expect a retreat by the administration closing Gitmo as well?
Oh yes about those who need to overcome their fear, would those be democrat or republican reps. cause unles things have changed the democrats do not need 1 single vote from any republican to pass any legislation.
So are you now saying it is the dems. who are fear mongers?
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm
taxpayer,
just poking at ya.
I know how drunk people are always giving out hugs………
Just checking. !)
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
9:54 pm
Taxpayer,
Who is Mike and what are you talking about?
Somehow I think you call yourself “Taxpayer” because you get an “Earned Income Tax Credit.”
Where I come from that’s called welfare.
Thanks for asking.
Shhhhh! DON’T TELL ANYONE AND IT CAN BE OUR LITTLE SECRET. OK!
Actually, I call myself taxpayer as a ruse. You’ve paid for everything that I have, even this brand new computer and my internet connection. Now give me hug. I think you need a hug. I’ll share some other secrets with you. And, what is an earned income tax credit. Does it involve working. ewwww. hehehe
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm
Hey, lefties,
Please tell your messiah that I do not want him apologizing for me to that Star Wars bar scene of dictators, tyrants, terrorists, socialists, communists and the other UN miscreants you lefties worship so much.
He’ll listen to you ACORN types before me.
Just sayin.’
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm
“So if the grocery store near my house is closed; what you are saying is that they are not taking any new customers but will continue serving those who were customers?”
You need a better analogy. Last time *I* was in a grocery store they didn’t lock me in and refuse to let me go. Nor did they hold me without any kind of charges, or try me without letting me see the evidence or witnesses against me.
Don’t get it into your pretty little head that I approve of how GITMO has been, or is being handled. I don’t. But all of you conned who think Obama should be able to wave a magic wand and put everything right in an instant need to find another Messiah. This one isn’t up to you expectations. He’s just a man with a LOT on his plate right now and it’s going to take time to get around to everything that needs attention.
“So are you now saying it is the dems. who are fear mongers?”
The ability of the conned to read things that aren’t there just awes me. Try reading my words, and stop listening to the voices in your head.
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
10:02 pm
@F. Sinkwich
What will happen if a nuclear missile DOES NOT go off in Israel?
You attempt at EXTRAPOLATION, CONFLATION and OBFUSCATION is in poor taste and not reflective of someone that appears to be intelligent.
@Nothing Is Free
Regardless of where the action originates, the COURTS will determine if the action is legal, soooooooooo…?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm
taxpayer,
just poking at ya.
I know how drunk people are always giving out hugs………
Just checking. !)
Actually, I know how drunk people like to get hugs. Doesn’t everyone know someone like that. Just don’t let them drive. So, I’m just trying to do my part. Besides, drunks also tend to whine a lot so they really sound like they need lots of hugs. Oh, Dave RRRRRRRR. Do you need a hug.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
10:05 pm
“Please tell your messiah”
You’ll have to tell him yourself. You DO know how to pray don’t you?
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
Because unions are inefficient. Been there — for over 20 years- waste, waste, and more waste.
All this whining about union wages, and not one word about the rock-star salaries of corporate execs over the past thirty years. The Great Re-numerator declared open-season on unions beginning with the air-traffic controllers and his corporate cronies went to school on his lead. Union enrollment has declined over the last quarter century and your still picking at that carcass.
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
“But what if you graduated night school only to learn that any opportunities available had been shipped off to India? Would you damn yourself? Would you be understanding? Think about it. Millions are experiencing it now.”
Life is a challenge, and will seem more challenging at times. Did I get discouraged during my long climb, absolutely. But, I never quit. And I do not believe in rewarding those that give up on themselves. There are making a choice.
On the job front, think its bad now, wait until amnesty is granted for the second time. We went from 5 million illegals to 20 million illegals the first time. Doing it again will more than likely increase it again exponentially. Quit crying about the jobs leaving the country and start worrying about policing our borders to protect the jobs we have left. There is a reason most countries have limits on migrants/immigrants, and its not because we don’t like them.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
10:11 pm
“We went from 5 million illegals to 20 million illegals the first time. Doing it again will more than likely increase it again exponentially.”
We might not have if Congress had gotten off it’s cheap backside and actually FUNDED the enforcement parts of that bill. But yes, if they give “amnesty” (not that any such thing has even been proposed, but let it ride) and don’t fund enforcement…we might have the same problem.
Of course, that would mean SPENDING MONEY on enforcement, wouldn’t it? Nothing is free you know.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:12 pm
And one must have the ability to read between the lines,
Is that how you conservative, family-valued Republicans determine when you need to go and get all pre-emptive on someone’s a$$, Dusty. You just read it between the lines. Is that before or after you look into a person’s soul by staring into their eyes. And, exactly what allows you to identify an “Axis of Eeeeeevil”. Surely, that takes some form of special training like vacation bible school or something. I think Dusty needs more than a hug. She needs many hugs.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
10:13 pm
Jackie:
“What will happen if a nuclear missile DOES NOT go off in Israel?”
Uh, that’s a good thing, right? But Chairman O is enabling Iranian ambitions with his decision to cancel missile defense in eastern Europe coupled with his willingness to engage them diplomatically. That crazy Iranian dictator Chairman O trusts so much thinks Obama is a weakling stooge. So does every other miscreant in the world after that horrible speech.
Bad day for the good ol’ USA.
Josey and the Pussycats
September 23rd, 2009
10:13 pm
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
Do you think Union contracts with the automakers make them more efficient?
Josey and the Kittycats
September 23rd, 2009
10:15 pm
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
Do you think Union contracts with the automakers make them more productive, efficient and competitive?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:16 pm
F. Sinkwich,
Messiahs are equal opportunity listeners, dude. Or so I’ve been told.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
10:17 pm
“But Chairman O is enabling Iranian ambitions with his decision to cancel missile defense in eastern Europe coupled with his willingness to engage them diplomatically”
Nothing beats “mischaracterizing” (personally, I would call it lying) about what he said. He has canceled a non-existent, not-even-at-the-testing-stage long-range missile “defense” system in favor of an existing, tested, ship-based shorter-range missile defense system.
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:18 pm
“All this whining about union wages, and not one word about the rock-star salaries of corporate execs over the past thirty years.”
We were discussing unions tonight, but I’ll be happy to discuss the other as well. Corporate boards have become good ole boy clubs and there needs to be change. The boards, like our gov’t, have forgotten who they are working for – the shareholders. Some top managers are over compensated just as some union members are overcompensated.
There is much work to be done to correct the problems, but I don’t see it coming any time soon. Maybe during the next depression.
When our society pays more for sports and entertainment stars than police, firefighters and soldiers, our priorities are pretty screwed up.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:19 pm
Josey and the Kittycats
Do you think the automaker’s executive salaries make them more productive, efficient and competitive?
Josey and the Kittycats
September 23rd, 2009
10:20 pm
No answer to the question?
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:24 pm
“We might not have if Congress had gotten off it’s cheap backside and actually FUNDED the enforcement parts of that bill. But yes, if they give “amnesty” (not that any such thing has even been proposed, but let it ride) and don’t fund enforcement…we might have the same problem.
Of course, that would mean SPENDING MONEY on enforcement, wouldn’t it? Nothing is free you know.”
Funny, all during the campaigns, all the candidates were going to fix the border first. Can’t even think about amnesty etc until we fix that border.
Border ain’t fixed.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:24 pm
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
9:18 pm
Duh, because we faced the biggest economic challenge since the Great Depression. There’s a difference in spending and investing.
Takes one to know one! Careful or you’ll get sent to your room without your midnight snack by Jay.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:27 pm
Some top managers are over compensated just as some union members are overcompensated.
Really? You think? I had a subscription to the WSJ back in the 80’s, and remember a story about executive compensation—U.S. corps. vs. Japanese. Back then it was Japanese CEO pay was 80:1 to the average worker’s. U.S. CEO 160:1 to the average worker’s. Today, the CEO pay is 560:1 to average worker’s.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:28 pm
When our society pays more for sports and entertainment stars than police, firefighters and soldiers, our priorities are pretty screwed up.
Why, md, we’ve found common ground. Granted, it is a very small patch on a very small planet in a very large universe but… it’s something.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
10:28 pm
No answer to the question?
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:30 pm
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:19 pm
The union is only as good as its members, so you were partly to blame.
I once had to get up and go in at Lockheed to work ovetime or lose the opportunity. After an hour of operating computer equipment in 2 rooms I went to the supervisor and told him if the rest of the crew didn’t end their smoke break I was going home. I had a grievance filed against me once because I didn’t take a scheduled break. Also because I allowed a non-union worker (programmer) to hang a magnetic tape.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Priorities do tend to kick in when you have one buck and ten things that you need that cost a buck. The border can wait. Besides, we’d only be keeping them in when they’re trying to get out right now.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm
F Sinkwich:
Thanks, I don’t take any meds. Everything I know I learned from GEORGE!
md:
You will not find a stronger advocate for closing our American borders to illegals. Especially now that many have gone home. This is the perfect time to strike! It’s too late to close the barn door after the horses have escaped!
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm
@F. Sinkwich
President Obama is canceling something that is CONCEPTUAL!!!!!!
We currently have ACTUAL short range missle defense systems on ships in the Persian Gulf and other oceans. Is there anything else we should do short of invasion?
Secondly, what should we do if Israel invades Iran?
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:19 pm
Make that at 3:00am to work overtime.
Josey and the Kittycats
September 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm
This isn’t a boxing match Kamchak. Dance around it all you want. A simple yes or no would have sufficed with the question I asked. Now, for some reason, I am expected to answer your thoughtless question, without you having the courtesy to answer mine. You’re the same kind of BOZO that you condemn here, every day.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:36 pm
I don’t think there is any danger of Israel invading Iran. But they might bomb suspected nuclear facilities, which would be a huge mistake.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:37 pm
md:
Did I get discouraged during my long climb, absolutely. But, I never quit. And I do not believe in rewarding those that give up on themselves. There are making a choice.
By all means, throw those less fortunate than you under the bus. I just hope for your sake that you are not laid off.
Jay
September 23rd, 2009
10:38 pm
Dusty suggests that these statements by Obama, among others, are evidence that he believes “America is NO GOOD:”
“No longer do we have the luxury of indulging our differences to the exclusion of the work we must do together.
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There is no peace without preserving our planet!
————————————————————
The people of the world want change. They will not tolerate those who are on the wrong side of history.
————————————————————–
That is the future America wants–a future of peace and prosperity that we can only reach that when all nations have rights.”
To believe those constitute attacks on America, one must believe that America is on the wrong side of history, that America does not believe that all nations have rights, that America is not interested in preserving the planet, that America is willing to indulge our differences to the exclusion of the work we must do together.
I don’t believe those things about America. I don’t believe President Obama believes those things about America.
Yet apparently Dusty, who advocates reading between the lines, DOES believe those things.
Dusty, why do you hate America?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:39 pm
TnGelding,
I remember taking a tour of Lockheed many moons ago and I recall seeing this little experimental remote controlled thing that looked like it could have come from the movie set of “War of the Worlds”. Was it from Roswell. I never could get a straight answer.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:39 pm
“Russian links Iran sanctions to US missile change”
NEW YORK (AP) – With a diplomatic wink and nod, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev opened the door Wednesday to backing potential sanctions against Iran as a reward to President Barack Obama’s decision to scale back a U.S. missile shield in Eastern Europe. While U.S. and Russian officials denied a flat-out quid pro quo, Medvedev told the U.N. General Assembly that Obama’s pivot on a missile defense plan long loathed by Moscow “deserves a positive response.” Obama himself has said his missile decision may have spurred Russian good will as a “bonus.”
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_IRAN?SITE=GACAT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-09-23-21-55-35
Dusty
September 23rd, 2009
10:40 pm
Taxpayer,
Pre-emptive strike?? Axis of evil? Bless your little heart, you’ve been playing war games again. Now run off to bed and be a good boy. It’s gonna be OK…
But poor baby, looking into someones eyes on a blog? Axis of evil?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:40 pm
Jay, I can’t believe you’re up this late!
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:42 pm
“The union is only as good as its members, so you were partly to blame.”
You are correct. I was “young, dumb and stupid”. The old saying of “if I knew then what I know now” certainly applies.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
DoggoneGA:
Canceling the missile defense systems in eastern Europe appeases whom? Putin, maybe? While at the same time sending the message to the former Soviet block of nations that we’re more interested in buddy-buddy with the Russian dictator than their freedom?
This is big-boy geopolitics and President Kum-bye-ah isn’t up to the task. He proved it today.
But you knew that.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
Dusty, why do you hate America?
JAY! You didn’t! You asked the most sacred of Republican patriot questions that may only be asked by the most conservative family-valued patriotic Republicans. I’m feeling a fainting spell coming on. This could be the big one. I hope your moderators are up to the task.
Jay
September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
Me either, Soothsayer. I’m an early to bed, early to rise kind of guy, but I’ve been out and about, and am now calling it a night.
“It’s a night.”
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:45 pm
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:39 pm
A moon rock could have performed the work of some of my coworkers. But of course, since I was low in seniority, I was the first to go when the inevitable layoffs came. I interviewed for the job on a Friday and went to work the following Monday. I thought I really blew their socks off. Years later I learned they got a bonus form Uncle Sam for hiring a USAF veteran
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:45 pm
Dusty, give me a big hug before you read Jay’s reply. OK. I just know that you’re going to need it.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:42 pm
That Lockheed job was the only union job I ever held.
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm
@TnGelding
You and I know that Israel would not invade Iran, but may try to bomb some of the nuclear facilities. In my humble opinion, this action would cascade into global war. There would be nothing we could do to protect israel because the country is so small, one nuclear weapon in the area would be devastating.
If this scenario were to play itself out, the world economy would fall on its proverbial face because the Straits of Hormuz would be closed and many of the ports in the Gulf would be closed because of nuclear fallout.
What would we do for oil and other energy sources?
It appears the keyboard warriors have not thought through the ramifications of this problem.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:48 pm
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
No way the reply will ever make it through, unless Jay releases it.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
10:50 pm
Dusty, why do you hate America?
Jay, i’ve been asking her the very same question for the better part of two years, but as yet she can’t explain it. Or won’t.
After all, she spent the last two years of Duh-bya’s administration insisting on Wooten’s blog that anyone who DARED to disagree with her Fearless Leader was a TRAITOR! TRAITOR! TRAITOR!, simply because they disagreed with Fearless Leader. Since she’s now disagreeing with the current POTUS, I see she’s embraced her treachery.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
10:50 pm
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm
As small as it is and as well-armed as it is, I’m thinking a well placed firecracker would send the entire country up in smoke.
md
September 23rd, 2009
10:50 pm
“By all means, throw those less fortunate than you under the bus. I just hope for your sake that you are not laid off.”
“Less fortunate”. Interesting choice of words. Not all people that end up in that boat are “unfortunate”. As I said, we choose everything we do, and many in that boat choose to be there. I have no sympathy for the ones that made a conscious decision to be in that boat.
There is a difference between “won’t” care for oneself and “can’t” care for oneself. I’ll bend over backwards helping the ones that “can’t”, but the ones that “won’t” need to get their butts in gear.
Oh, and I have been laid off many times during my career, thats where the re-inventing oneself comes into play.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
10:53 pm
Jackie @ 10:46 – f this scenario were to play itself out, the world economy would fall on its proverbial face because the Straits of Hormuz would be closed and many of the ports in the Gulf would be closed because of nuclear fallout. What would we do for oil and other energy sources? It appears the keyboard warriors have not thought through the ramifications of this problem.
Oh, yes, the 101st Chairborne most certainly HAVE thought this thru. At that point, The Rapture occurs and they no longer have a “problem”.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:53 pm
F. Sinkwich:
Canceling the missile defense systems in eastern Europe appeases whom? Putin, maybe? While at the same time sending the message to the former Soviet block of nations that we’re more interested in buddy-buddy with the Russian dictator than their freedom?
You are proving what a true imbecile you are! We gave a non-working system (land-based) for one that works (ship based) and gained the support and cooperation of a potential ally in the region. The time for “stick-your-finger-in-the-eye” diplomacy is over.
For an insight you should refer to the Russian Missile Crisis. The Russians removed their missiles from Cuba and WE REMOVED OURS from Turkey.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
10:56 pm
Meanwhile, the Teabaggers have apparently bagged ‘em one: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/09/census_worker_found_hanged_in.html
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:59 pm
md:
“By all means, throw those less fortunate than you under the bus. I just hope for your sake that you are not laid off.”
“Less fortunate”. Interesting choice of words. Not all people that end up in that boat are “unfortunate”. As I said, we choose everything we do, and many in that boat choose to be there. I have no sympathy for the ones that made a conscious decision to be in that boat.
There is a difference between “won’t” care for oneself and “can’t” care for oneself. I’ll bend over backwards helping the ones that “can’t”, but the ones that “won’t” need to get their butts in gear.
Oh, and I have been laid off many times during my career, thats where the re-inventing oneself comes into play.
GREAT CAVALIER ATTITUDE! I hope it serves you well when your job is shipped off to India!
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
11:01 pm
@GayGrayGeek
Do you notice that it takes the so-called conservatives a few minutes to try and concoct a response to anything that can be backed with facts.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
11:04 pm
Jackie, you’ve got to remember – to the wingnuts, nothing is a “fact” unless it passes the lips of one of their holy trinity – The Limbaugh, The Sean, and The Holy Beck – or is aired on one of the Faux Poutrage infotainment programs.
md
September 23rd, 2009
11:05 pm
“You are proving what a true imbecile you are! We gave a non-working system (land-based) for one that works (ship based) and gained the support and cooperation of a potential ally in the region. The time for “stick-your-finger-in-the-eye” diplomacy is over.”
No need for name calling.
Its not always that simple in geopolitics. Actions usually have more than one consequence. From Poland:
“some prominent figures in the region, such as former Polish President Lech Walesa, worried the new U.S. administration was turning away from its traditional allies in Central Europe to placate Russia. “It’s not that we need the shield, but it’s about the way we’re treated here,” Mr. Walesa said on Polish TV.”
Eastern Europe has the most to lose in this game with Russia, they remember the many years under soviet rule. We have been lucky in that regard.
Jackie
September 23rd, 2009
11:06 pm
@GayGrayGeek
It must be “factual” if they can not find a rejoinder on one of their websites!
This silence is deafening.
md
September 23rd, 2009
11:09 pm
“GREAT CAVALIER ATTITUDE! I hope it serves you well when your job is shipped off to India!”
Were you by chance in the drama club in high school?
Tell you what, I’ll take care of the ones that “can’t” help themselves, and you take care of the ones that “won’t” since you seem to be so worried about them. Maybe when they get through taking advantage of you you will see the light.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
11:15 pm
This isn’t a boxing match Kamchak. Dance around it all you want. A simple yes or no would have sufficed with the question i asked.
No it wouldn’t–it would have taken several paragraphs to unpack that loaded question.
Now for some reason, I am expected to answer your thoughtless question, without the courtesy to answer mine.
I phrased my question the same way you phrased yours. Don’t blame me for the “thoughtless” structure.
You’re the same kind of BOZO that you condemn here, every day.
But I’m not here “every day.” Furthermore I have been accused of not staying on topic and engaging in “chit-chat,” so evidently I don’t have time for condemnation.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
11:25 pm
Alaska added about 1000 union workers between 2007 and 2008, and nearly one-quarter of the state’s workers are in unions. That percentage is one of the highest in the country.
Let’s erect a statue of Samuel Gompers in Wassila.
Dusty
September 23rd, 2009
11:28 pm
Well,
The best that Bookman can do is to say that I hate America. Simplistic prejudiced partisanship!
I wrote a message in return and the blog reports in big black letters that IT COULD NOT TAKE MY POST..????? Wasn’t even moderation ???
Thanks a lot, Bookman. You and this blog are not operating too well.
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
11:35 pm
DustBuster – Simplistic prejudiced partisanship!
Of which you are a demonstrated maven, m’dear.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
11:37 pm
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
Told ya.
Kamchak
September 23rd, 2009
11:47 pm
TnGelding
Where is dB’s fainting couch when you need it?
Dusty
September 23rd, 2009
11:53 pm
GGG.
You still hiding out in Canada? Good! Now try to be original and don’t copy what I say so often. That makes you a simplistic prejudiced partisan plagiarist ! Kapeche?
G’nite..
GayGrayGeek
September 24th, 2009
12:03 am
DustBuster – Why not answer Jay’s question?
WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, DUSTY?
George American
September 24th, 2009
12:22 am
SNOPES” VALIDATES THE FACTS BELOW :
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s home district includes San Francisco .
StarKist Tuna’s headquarters are in San Francisco , Pelosi’s home district.
StarKist is owned by Del Monte Foods and is a major contributor to Pelosi.
StarKist is the major employer in American Samoa employing 75% of the Samoan work force.
Paul Pelosi, Nancy ’s husband, owns $17 million dollars of StarKist stock.
In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25, Pelosi had
American Samoa exempted from the increase so Del Monte would not have to pay the higher wage. This would make Del Monte products less expensive than that of its competitors.
Last week when the huge bailout bill was passed, Pelosi added an earmark to the final bill adding $33 million dollars for an “economic development credit in American Samoa ”
Pelosi has called the Bush Administration “CORRUPT” and many other things !!!
How do you spell “HYPOCRISY” ? SHE’S SHAMELESS….
EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD GET THIS E-MAIL. PASS IT AROUND …..!!!
BP
September 24th, 2009
2:09 am
O.K. your pushed my last button I self identify as a liberal. As a member of a union I was pulled to the side in the most remote part of a warehouse ant told by the shop steward to “knock it off”. I asked him what was the meaning of his request he said “your stats for work efficeny are at 200% or more every day and we (the UNION) are trying to get these efficeny ratings thrown out.” Believe me when I say unions are for the people who don’t want to work. BTW I had to agree to join the union or the company I worked for would not be allowed (their word) to hire me.
dusty's sister
September 24th, 2009
2:18 am
DustBuster – Why not answer Jay’s question?
WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, DUSTY?
BP
September 24th, 2009
2:29 am
After military service and working my way through school. I began work in the IT field. Now today I find myself on the street after 25 years with a company because they have outsourced my job to Brazil. Twelve years until I can access the money I have paid into SS for the past thirty seven years. Oh there are still positions I could do at my former employer but they have hired
people from India to come here with special work visas because they “cannot find U.S. citizens to do the work”. WHAT? Here I am pick me! Corporations are abusing these laws left and right. If the government cared they would crack down on these abuses now. That would be change I can believe in.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
4:12 am
BP
September 24th, 2009
2:09 am
I got layed-off at Lockheed due to a RIF. The shop steward walked me to the headhouse. They called me back and I refused to rejoin the union. He called me a scab, but that didn’t stop him from riding to work with me. Are you still out there somewhere Gary?
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
4:23 am
BP
September 24th, 2009
2:29 am
Congress sold us out to big busineess, and big business has deserted us. That’s where the rage should be directed, not at Obama. But you’re right, he could be doing something to stop it.
Are you talking full SS benefits at 67 or did you start work at 13? At least with 25 years with the company you should have a pension coming and a sizeable 401(k). I’d recommend you start drawing your reduced SS benefits at 62 and put them in savings. A bird in the hand… But talk to your acountant or financial advisor.
TnGelding
September 24th, 2009
4:33 am
BP
September 24th, 2009
2:29 am
I sent our comments to the White House with the admonition to “Do something”.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 24th, 2009
4:57 am
Tryin’ to get things done early before long day. Noticed that
.Acorn Sues Over Video as I.R.S. Severs Ties
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/us/politics/24acorn.html?hp
What time today does Acorn address the UN? They couldn’t do worse than Mommar Kadafi or Mahmoud Ahmadinajad who are premiering a new NBC fall special next week as two wild and crazy brothers who look for hotties.
Polk Cty. Fla. narc squad play Wii Bowling executing search warrant. Will Nintendo capitalize with commercial of video? http://bit.ly/BUASR
Of all the hysteria joints in all the towns, the right wing whackjobs walk into mine.