Obama at the UN: World loves it, neo-cons hate it
President Obama’s speech to the United Nations was well-received, at least by the world leaders and ambassadors assembled for the occasion. As The Wall Street Journal reported, Obama “sought to distance his country from the era of his White House predecessor, vowing that “America will live by its values” on human rights even as he said he would take to task the abuses and failures of allies and foes alike.”
“The U.S. president clearly tried to turn the page on the Bush era. He spoke of his decisions to ban the use of torture and close the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The U.S., he said, has “moved from a bystander to a leader in international climate negotiations.” He pledged to soon seek the ratification of the Comprehensive nuclear Test Ban Treaty and pursue deep cuts to the U.S. nuclear arsenal…
As he spoke, the dramatics that had greeted some of the addresses of President George W. Bush were nowhere in evidence.
But Mr. Obama did call on the world to give up a “an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for our collective inaction.”
“Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world’s problems alone. We have sought — in word and deed — a new era of engagement with the world,” he said. “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.”
Over the National Review’s Corner, however, the reviews were not so kind. Words such as “shameful,” “appalling,” “galactic obliviousness” and “staggering naivete” were being bandied about. Former UN Ambassador John Bolton called it “a post-American speech by our first post-American president.”
Here’s the text of the speech. Go read it yourself, and judge for yourself. Personally, I think the folks at the Corner have utterly lost it.
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Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:23 pm
Soothsayer, you are deep in wealth envy. “The fortunate few”? Like they were lucky to earn a large salar?. Like they were lucky to work hard? Like they were lucky to start their own businesses?
Please. Get over your wealth envy.
And Normal? Here is my philosophy. I promise that I will not take your life, liberty or property through the use of force or fraud, and simply ask that you return that favor to me. Do you have a problem with that way of living?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:25 pm
THINKING is the hardest work there is,
That’s why so few engage in it!
–Henry Ford
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
–Henry Ford
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:28 pm
Dave R:
To get a mule’s attention you have to hit it upside the head with a shovel. I DON’T HAVE ANY WEALTH ENVY! Get over it!
You see, rather than argue on an intelligent basis, you attack me. That is the entire strategy of the right. No answer? Attack!
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:29 pm
Uhh, Soothsayer, if I don’t pay my taxes as imposed by the wealth-envy crowd like you, then some guy with a gun and a warrant shows up at my house.
Get it?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
7:31 pm
Were it not for Social Security millions of old people would live in utter destitute poverty.
Um, soothsayer, I’m pretty sure Social Security is going to get all of us into utter destitute poverty.
Do you libs think money grows on trees?
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:31 pm
Soothsayer, then why do you want my money?
GayGrayGeek
September 23rd, 2009
7:35 pm
Soothsayer @ 7:29 – “Attack” and “FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER” are the only tools left to the wingnuts. If they can’t make you FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER the pinkocommunistfascistsocialistKenyanMoooooooslum then you Must! Be! Attacked! because you’re obviously a TRAITOR! TRAITOR! TRAITOR!
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:35 pm
Actually, Soothsayer, you are in gross wealth envy. Your very statement that those who are wealthy are “fortunate” says it all.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
7:38 pm
OMG! The fear is absolutely PALPABLE. We’re all gonna go broke! We’re going to be robbed at gun point by the gummint! The rich are all going to die in poverty if we don’t allow the old to die first, in abject poverty! Those lazy SOB’s who are too lazy to find jobs are going to bankrupt us all!
BOOO!
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:39 pm
And TaxCheat, YOUR very presence proves that there not only is a God, but that he is a prankster.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:41 pm
DoggoneGA, how much of my money do you want?
Take a check?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:41 pm
Call Perdue and tell him not to beg for fed money to help out all those flood victims. Call up your Congressmen and praise them for not voting for that unemployment extension and tell them to support your cause by calling out Sonny in public and giving him a thorough tongue lashing for daring to ask for fed money. Come on boys, put those teabags to good use. Join Dick’s Armey today. Stand up and be counted. Get your signs and get out on the streets right now. Let the world know that you and your fellow Americans don’t want or need no steenking handouts from no foreigner like Obama. hehehe
By the way, I think now would be a good time to remind the Republicans that you message is perfect. I mean, it really speaks to the people. Don’t change a thing. Honest. Trust me on this one. I wouldn’t steer you wrong. hehehe
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
7:42 pm
GGG! Great minds think alike!
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
7:42 pm
Nice outburst, duhgone, did it soothe your psychosis any?
Kayaker 71
September 23rd, 2009
7:43 pm
I listened to every word of Bozo’s speech to the UN. He looked like he was on the campaign trail trying to win a primary election talking about how his administration was solving all of the world’s problems. A nuclear free world…. what has he been smoking? Closing Gitmo? Hasn’t happened yet and may not in the near future. “We don’t torture any more…. drew the most applause of anything he said. Guess a lot of those in the audience were happy that they weren’t going to have to worry about that anymore.
A lot of the people who listen in the audience are sizing up the leader of the free world and really like what they see. An empty suit who is a light weight trying to lecture all of the nations of the world on his “vision” of what the world ought to be. The Russians picked up on this on his visit to their country. None of his speeches were carried on Russian TV and many of the people at the Moscow Conservatory left during his speech on his vision of the world. They just don’t think that he is a player and worst of all, he is our president. No respect… no clout… those people in the audience at the UN not only don’t respect him, they are all looking for ways to exploit his weaknesses at the expense of the American people. He will be called out in the near future, depend on it. And when he does, we will learn what a community organizer does in a crisis. We can only hope that we survive.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
7:43 pm
“DoggoneGA, how much of my money do you want?”
All of it of course. I’m one of the lucky rich and if I don’t have all of YOURS I might die in poverty. You wouldn’t want THAT would you. I’m sure you’re more than willing to give it to me to prevent that. Isn’t that what compassionate conservatism is all about?
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:44 pm
F. Sinkwich,
Brother, can you spare a dime. I would ask Dave R but he’s a grinch.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:48 pm
Actually, TaxCheat, I reserve the right to choose when, if, and how much I will give to others. Obviously, you would never meet my high standards of need and whether you deserved my largess.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:50 pm
Taxpayer,
So your point is that conservatives are a bunch of hypocrites for accepting federal aid dollars during emergencies if they are not in favor of Chairman O’s socialism?
Must be a bummer being you, no offense.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:51 pm
Dave R, you out there. Hey, brother, can you spare a dime. Dave R! Dave Rrrrrrrrrr. YooHoo, Dave RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! Come on honey, just a dime. I’ll give you a hug. Trust me.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:51 pm
F. Sinkwich:
I am with you we ALL pay too much taxes. I don’t want or need your money.
Andy:
Social Security is one of the greatest successes of modern government. Heck, what a deal: you pay in 6.2% of your salary and receive a guaranteed payment for life.
Dave R:
When the “less fortunate” are at your door, just give them some cake. They’ll understand.
For the less perceptive out there, realize this–the thin veneer that we call society is close to wearing off. Millions are without. When they arrive at your door, I hope you have an answer for them. And I don’t mean a firearm. Because they will overwhelm you!
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:52 pm
That’s what I figured, DoggoneGA. You are indeed a typical Chairman O supporter.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:53 pm
Awwww. Come on, F. Sinkwich. You aren’t going to get on here and whine like a little Republican about paying taxes and then try to defend taking a big fat government handout, are you. By the way, brother, can YOU spare a dime. I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm
And, ewwww, Dave R. Why would anyone even want to know about your large ess. Are you a plumber, Dave R.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm
Soothsayer, I have an answer for anyone who comes to my door and tries to take my life, liberty or property through the use of force or fraud.
And they won’t like it one bit.
For those that ask nicely, and prove a need, they’ll get whatever I have that I won’t need.
F. Sinkwich
September 23rd, 2009
7:56 pm
Soothsayer, are you from ACORN? Bummer about your federal funding. But I’m sure your messiah will figure out someway to fund your illegal activities. He’s a community organizer after all.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
7:57 pm
And TaxCheat, as long as the Federal government continues to take our money from this state when it is not an emergency, we have every right to demand it back in an emergency.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
7:58 pm
“That’s what I figured”
You did? Isn’t that AMAZING!
mike
September 23rd, 2009
7:58 pm
Normal –
“,…and Mike, babe, you need a drink…try some milk of human kindness…just suggestin’”
What exactly is your point?
My point is that you continually come after me for being “angry” for the thinnest of reasons (i.e. callign someone a hypcorite), yet you ignore RJ’s rant in which he called conservatives every combination of dumb and evil.
What gives? Do you really have a concern about angry posts or are you just pushing buttons? If the former, then why does your concern about “angry” posts extend only to those commenters who don’t share your views?
Was the above question too angry? If so, I apologize. I didn’t intend it to be. I am just trying to understand what you are trying to say.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
7:59 pm
Don’t worry, soothsayer. I’m sure that Dave R and Whiner and F. Sinkwich, et al, have their barbed wire and electrified fence and cannons and otherr weapons all set in case any poor look their way. We know how they are with their tax dollars. Them and their Armey of Dicks. By the way, I heard they were complaining about the lack of public transportation and toilet paper in the public restrooms at their “we don’t want no steenking taxes” demonstrations. hehehehe
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:02 pm
“as long as the Federal government continues to take our money from this state when it is not an emergency, we have every right to demand it back in an emergency.”
The illogic in that is just amazing! Where, pray tell, would this state go for the money in an emergency if the Fed HAD’NT “taken” it? Or is is OK if the state takes it to hold for emergencies, but it’s not OK for the Fed to do that?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:02 pm
Hmm. Let’s see ACORN? I don’t give a rat’s ass about ACORN. I think they are as corrupt as anyone.
Dave R:
I get it! Be careful, though. You’re very close to SOCIALISM. You should NEVER give ANYTHING to ANYONE in need. It’s just not RIGHT! What you are saying borders on CHARITY!
Amazing you would give to some unfortunate at your door but you forsake your own countrymen by buying CHINESE.
mike
September 23rd, 2009
8:04 pm
GayGrayGeek –
” Must! Be! Attacked! because you’re obviously a TRAITOR! TRAITOR! TRAITOR!”
I really don’t see too many folks calling anyone a traitor. I see a lot of people calling folks racist though, including ex-Presidents.
Why don’t you just get real and admit that the same behavior is exhibited by the extremists on both sides? Don’t believe me? Scroll up a bit and read RJ’s mindless and hateful display of name calling.
Jack
September 23rd, 2009
8:04 pm
I’m with Dusty.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:04 pm
The state of Georgia is a net recipient of fed money. In other words, we already get more back than we pay in, even before the flood.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
8:05 pm
Ahhhh, I see that it is Children’s Hour on the Bookman blog now that TaxCheat is here. Posting the same tired quotes dozens of times. Never answering questions.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:08 pm
Nothing substantive to say? Insult! Attack! Obfuscate!
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:09 pm
Dave R,
Brother, can you spare a dime, yet. There are folks in need. How ’bout a little charity. It’s tax deductible. There’s plenty of folks out there that did not have flood insurance that need charity and conservatives are really really charitable people because there is a poll out there that proves it and we all know that the polls that prove how charitable conservatives are can’t be wrong, right. I’ll give you a really big hug. Now, come on. I know you can do it. Give us a hug and then a dime.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
8:10 pm
Soothsayer, please. You don’t even know the definition of Socialism if you think that VOLUNTARILY giving your money to others is Socialism.
And I buy Chinese ONLY if they end up making a better quality product. If they don’t, they don’t get my money. I don’t care where it is made, as long as it is the best at what I need.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:10 pm
Come on, Dave R. I know you can do it. Now give us a big hug, big boy. Come on. You know you can do it. Now, give up that dime. It’ll make you feel all good inside. Yes it will. Yes it will Yes sireeeee.
TW
September 23rd, 2009
8:11 pm
Kinda nice taking the brown bag off our heads…
mike
September 23rd, 2009
8:13 pm
TW –
“Kinda nice taking the brown bag off our heads…”
It was only the folks who were utterly incapable of accepting a President not of their party who had the brown bags on their head. All the normal people were fine.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:16 pm
Can I see a show of phalanges for those supporting the Republicans from Georgia. That’s right. Say no to helping someone that’s down and out. They don’t need no steenking federal tax dollars to fund their unemployment. Isn’t that right, Dave R.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:17 pm
Soothsayer, please. You don’t even know the definition of Socialism if you think that VOLUNTARILY giving your money to others is Socialism.
And I buy Chinese ONLY if they end up making a better quality product. If they don’t, they don’t get my money. I don’t care where it is made, as long as it is the best at what I need.
NOWHERE IN MY POST DID I MENTION SOCIALISM! I think the word I used was charity. I challenge you on your “buy Chinese” policy. I don’t think you, like the rest of America, really CARES about where its made as long as its a FEW PENNIES CHEAPER!
Yes! FOCK YOUR COUNTRYMAN! If a COMMUNIST CHINESE can make it a few pennis cheaper, then by all means, let me buy it!
After all, its GOOD FOR AMERICAN CORPORATIONS!
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:17 pm
Who is the selfish one, the one that works his way through a free education system to fend for himself or the one that chooses to give up that free education and relies on others to make ends meet?
Should a college student that studies 24/7 and does no partying share his A’s with the college student that parties 24/7, does no studying and makes F’s?
stands for decibels
September 23rd, 2009
8:18 pm
Personally, I think the folks at the Corner have utterly lost it.
As if the Doughy Pantload and his band of half-wits ever had it!
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:20 pm
“Were it not for Social Security millions of old people would live in utter destitute poverty.”
For the record, one only gets SS if one pays in, and not all payments are equal.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:21 pm
“Should a college student that studies 24/7 and does no partying share his A’s with the college student that parties 24/7, does no studying and makes F’s?”
wouldn’t they both be dead from exhaustion and neither of them have anything to share?
wet wiccan
September 23rd, 2009
8:23 pm
Soothsayer – I am in agreement with you on everything you have posted tonight. The destruction of American manufacturing and the export of American jobs is a national disgrace. Outsourcing of American jobs is economic treason.
stands for decibels
September 23rd, 2009
8:24 pm
The state of Georgia is a net recipient of fed money.
I don’t think that’s quite right–last few years I’ve checked, it’s been pretty even-steven. Not really in the mood to do a lot of poking around, but… Here’s one chart from ‘81-’05 that seems to back me up.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
8:24 pm
The Chinese are getting your money bubby. Maybe you better review the codependence reflected in the vast holding of US bonds by their cheif banker China. China stepped up its lending to the US last winter at an unprecedented rate. That money doesn’t come for no interest.
China now earns more than $50 billion a year in interest from the United States, Mr. Setser at the Council on Foreign Relations calculated. That money don’t come from no tooth fairy; it be comin’ from the American taxpayer.
Midori
September 23rd, 2009
8:26 pm
reading thru the comments, each and every nutjob (you know who you are) come across saying the exact same thing:
ARE THERE NO PRISONS?
ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES?
OBAMA, BAD!!!
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:26 pm
Sincere apologies to Dave R. I DID sat SOCIALISM in my post. I admit it and I apologize.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
8:27 pm
Another amendment lost by the Repubozos in Senate Finance just now–Repubozos continue to do what they’ve done all day on healthcare reform–lose their butts.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:28 pm
I can’t wait to start collecting my social security. Only ten more years to go. Or, is it eleven. I can’t remember what birthdate gets bumped up to 66 in order to collect full benefits. Anyway, I’ll still get mine one of these days as long as those Republicans keep their paws off of the law books. We need to keep voting those suckers out of office and back into the darkness from whence they slithered.
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:28 pm
“The destruction of American manufacturing and the export of American jobs is a national disgrace. Outsourcing of American jobs is economic treason.”
Many of the goods made in the usa cost too much for the american consumer and can not compete on the global market, that said who exactly is going to buy our wonderfully made yet expensive american goods?
TW
September 23rd, 2009
8:29 pm
mike – that you had no bag on your head only further indicts you of having no clue.
Credibility much?
Thought not
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm
md:
Who is the selfish one, the one that works his way through a free education system to fend for himself or the one that chooses to give up that free education and relies on others to make ends meet?
Should a college student that studies 24/7 and does no partying share his A’s with the college student that parties 24/7, does no studying and makes F’s?
What about the college student who does all that and can’t find a job because all of the jobs have been sent to India?
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:33 pm
We owe China a lot, but don’t forget about all the other countries we owe as well. Japan is a close second. But thats OK, for we have the kids’ credit card.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:34 pm
md:
Many of the goods made in the usa cost too much for the american consumer and can not compete on the global market, that said who exactly is going to buy our wonderfully made yet expensive american goods?
Can there be any more damning indictment of our current situation? If the AMERICAN CONSUMER can’t afford goods produced in our own country, what does that say about wages IN OUR COUNTRY?
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:35 pm
“What about the college student who does all that and can’t find a job because all of the jobs have been sent to India?”
What about when that person does get a job and now has to pay back his student loans and pay for the deadbeat that chose to forego that “free” education?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:38 pm
md:
You will notice that I have not said one disparaging word about the Japanese or Koreans. WHY? They have moved their PRODUCTION to America and employ AMERICAN WORKERS to build their automobiles. Therefore MOST OF THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT REMAINS IN AMERICA, even if the 15% profit goes to Japan.
This is in STARK CONTRAST TO CHINESE MANUFACTURING which is the other way around.
One interesting thing to note: workers at Japanese and Korean auto plants make great wages.
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:39 pm
“what does that say about wages IN OUR COUNTRY?”
That some are too high in relation to other countries. One can not pay an automatic screwdriver operator 50k a year and compete on the global market. Its lose – lose, other countries must raise theirs (no time soon) or we reduce ours (no time soon). Lose – Lose
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:39 pm
md:
I think a “DEADBEAT” is someone without opportunity.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:40 pm
“If the AMERICAN CONSUMER can’t afford goods produced in our own country”
so much of “our” manufacturing has been off-shored, I don’t know that you can back up that “we” can’t afford to buy American-made goods. There’s so little made here now there’s no way to tell. Someone said he only bought Chinese if it was better than American made. How is that choice made if there is NO CHOICE because it’s ALL made in China?
mike
September 23rd, 2009
8:40 pm
TW –
Of course I have no credibility with you. I don’t share all of your political views, so I must be dumb, evil or dumb and evil.
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:41 pm
“One interesting thing to note: workers at Japanese and Korean auto plants make great wages.”
And they are built in the south with no unions. Hmmmmm.
RJ
September 23rd, 2009
8:42 pm
Conservatives are happy when taking OxyContin or some anti-depressant. After all, they worked hard to pay for it.
I love that “Conservatives are happy and Libs are unhappy argument” is straight from Rush’s playbook. Remember, the hyprocrite was unhappily married three times. Is Sean happy? Well, I sometimes wonder after seeing how unhappy his wife is. Then there’s Glenn….
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm
md:
FOCK THE GLOBAL MARKET: Every penny we pay to one of our fellow COUNTRYMEN STRENGTHENS THIS COUNTRY. If other countries RAISE THEIRS they might be buyers of our products.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm
@ Taxpayer–
People born after 1939 have to wait until age 66 to collect full social security benefits, and you can begin at 64 if you’re willing to take a 15-20% cut.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm
“They have moved their PRODUCTION to America and employ AMERICAN WORKERS to build their automobiles”
You left something out: they avoid paying shipping costs and tarifs if their cars are made here. Check out the Volkswagen “station wagon” back in the day when that’s what they called their “microbus” – which was a VAN no matter what they called it. But they called it a station wagon to avoid a huge tarif on it. As a “passenger vehicle” it wasn’t subject to that tarif (which still exists, BTW)
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:44 pm
“I think a “DEADBEAT” is someone without opportunity.”
One creates “opportunity”. That deadbeat made a “choice”, and chose to forego that particular “opportunity”. That deadbeat also has the choice to re-enter the education system at any time, but more often than not, “chooses” not to.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
8:45 pm
Point is correct @ md–we do owe a lot of other countries a significant amount.
TW
September 23rd, 2009
8:45 pm
mike – substitute ‘ungrateful’ for ‘evil’…dumb, ungrateful and, being that your boy was quarterbacking when the team went in the the toilet – ‘loser’
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:46 pm
stands for decibels
September 23rd, 2009
8:24 pm
The state of Georgia is a net recipient of fed money.
I don’t think that’s quite right–last few years I’ve checked, it’s been pretty even-steven. Not really in the mood to do a lot of poking around, but… Here’s one chart from ‘81-’05 that seems to back me up.
Thanks, dB. I made the comment to counter the argument that we don’t get our fed tax dollars back. We do.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:46 pm
md:
And they are built in the south with no unions. Hmmmmm
Riddle me this? Why do you think that is?
Friends:
It’s time to change our thinking. Paying OUR WORKERS A LIVING WAGE IS GOOD FOR YOU! IT’S GOOD FOR AMERICA! IT’S THE WAY OUT OF OUR CURRENT PROBLEMS.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:49 pm
“And they are built in the south with no unions”
Umm hmm…check out their wages and benefits. They are fully competitive with union based wages. They mostly located in the South because the cost of living is lower and they were offered better tax cuts to do that.
Jack
September 23rd, 2009
8:50 pm
It’s been posted in here that one only gets SS if one pays in. That’s simply not true. If that were true, SS wouldn’t be in dire straits now.
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:50 pm
“FOCK THE GLOBAL MARKET: Every penny we pay to one of our fellow COUNTRYMEN STRENGTHENS THIS COUNTRY. If other countries RAISE THEIRS they might be buyers of our products.”
Screaming accomplishes what exactly? It is a never ending cycle. If wages go up, cost of goods go up. Cost of goods go up, demand falls. Demand falls, people lose jobs. People lose jobs, no one can afford the goods. Now, everyone is unemployed.
That work for you?
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:51 pm
md:
One creates “opportunity”. That deadbeat made a “choice”, and chose to forego that particular “opportunity”. That deadbeat also has the choice to re-enter the education system at any time, but more often than not, “chooses” not to.
WHAT A LOAD OF SMELLY RUBBISH!
There are MILLIONS of educated, enthusiastic individuals who are ready, willing, and able to take any worthwhile opportunity afforded to them. Unfortunately, that opportunity is not forthcoming. It’s been shipped off to India in the case of college-educated individuals or to China in the case of the manufacturing base.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:53 pm
PODS @ 8:43,
Oh Well. I’ll have to hold out eleven more years to get my full benefits then. But, what will I do til then. Brother, can you spare a dime. Dave R is a cheapskate and a grinch. He just shrugs me off. I even offered to give him a hug.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
8:53 pm
“SS wouldn’t be in dire straits now”
It is? Show us some evidence of that…not just some pundit’s say so, either.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
8:55 pm
md:
It is a never ending cycle. If wages go up, cost of goods go up. Cost of goods go up, demand falls. Demand falls, people lose jobs. People lose jobs, no one can afford the goods. Now, everyone is unemployed.
Agreed assuming full employment but we are SO far from that! Let’s worry about putting AMERICANS BACK TO WORK and then worry about that!
md
September 23rd, 2009
8:58 pm
“Riddle me this? Why do you think that is?”
Because unions are inefficient. Been there – for over 20 years- waste, waste, and more waste. Ever been through union negotiations? They actually bargain for “gains in production”, changing the rules to “allow” the worker to be more efficient. If the work rules are not changed, workers are “allowed” to remain inefficient. And there a wonder as to why jobs have been shipped over seas.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:01 pm
Jack
September 23rd, 2009
8:50 pm
It’s been posted in here that one only gets SS if one pays in. That’s simply not true. If that were true, SS wouldn’t be in dire straits now.
Well, according to the paperwork that my wife and I get from social security, our ability to receive anything is very much dependent on what we paid in. One problem with funding of social security is that the Republicans borrowed everything in the trust and left their IOUs there.
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:02 pm
“Umm hmm…check out their wages and benefits. They are fully competitive with union based wages. They mostly located in the South because the cost of living is lower and they were offered better tax cuts to do that.”
Yes, they pay comparable wages to keep the unions out. They get efficient workers without the bs of the union, and the workers aren’t paying monthly dues to a bunch of slackers in the union local.
Delta is a prime example. Pay competive wages, there is no need for the union bs.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
9:04 pm
TaxCheat, that last statement is asinine, even for you. The “Republicans” borrowed everything in the trust? Yeah, right. Even when most of the time, Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate. Way to ignore reality, TaxCheat.
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
9:05 pm
@ Taxpayer–I should have written that people born after 1939 can begin collecting Social Security age 62 at about a 16% reduction if you start before 66.
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:05 pm
Are there not still prisoners being held at GITMO?
So now it is honorable to claim one has done something eventhough they have done it through words only, no real action or plans in motion, just words?
Just words is quickly becoming a theme of this administration.
Just saying….
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
9:07 pm
Only a child thinks that when the Democrats have a slim majority vote in the House and Senate they are responsible for/can do whatever they want.
The Dems did not have a significant majority in the House and Senate until 2008. The majority was razor thin until then.
Someone needs to brush up on filibuster cloture.
md
September 23rd, 2009
9:07 pm
“There are MILLIONS of educated, enthusiastic individuals who are ready, willing, and able to take any worthwhile opportunity afforded to them. Unfortunately, that opportunity is not forthcoming. It’s been shipped off to India in the case of college-educated individuals or to China in the case of the manufacturing base.”
Those don’t sound like deadbeats. You changed course. One still creates opportunity, but that doesn’t mean it is going to walk in front of your nose. Sometimes one must re-invent themselves to create that opportunity. You think Bill Gates was handed Mocrosoft? He created his opportunity in his garage. What you describe sounds more like an excuse vs an opportunity.
Taxpayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:10 pm
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
9:04 pm
TaxCheat, that last statement is asinine, even for you. The “Republicans” borrowed everything in the trust? Yeah, right. Even when most of the time, Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate. Way to ignore reality, TaxCheat
Quit displaying your ignorance. The Republicans did the borrowing. Yes, right. Now, go back to sleep. Unless you need that hug. Do you need that hug now.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
9:12 pm
TaxCheat, quit displaying your ignorance. The Republicans AND the Democrats did the borrowing. Now go back to being comatose.
Dave R.
September 23rd, 2009
9:13 pm
Public Option, only a child would post without using their real name, especially when we all know you are Chad Harris.
DoggoneGA
September 23rd, 2009
9:13 pm
“the workers aren’t paying monthly dues to a bunch of slackers in the union local”
No they aren’t…just freeriding on the backs of workers who DO pay union dues…to the unions that are more or less forcing non-union shops to keep up with their pay and benefits.
thomas
September 23rd, 2009
9:15 pm
Public Option,
So you agree with me then that it is the dems. fault that we have not passed any type of Health Care reform?
According to your 9:05.
They have had the numbers for a while now, waited too long and they lost a vote.
so why have i been seeing people, you included that the lack of HC refrom is due to republicans……..
Public Option's Doing Swell
September 23rd, 2009
9:17 pm
The Bush administration held hundreds of people at Gitmo with no charges and sat on their butts for 8 years without finding evidence. The Obama administration is doing much of the same thing thus far, although they are working on a plan to try the remianing Gitmo prisoners when and if they get off their butts and find evidence to charge them.
Hundreds have been released who were not charged by the Bush administration and there was no apology whatsoever even though they were held in solitary confinement conditions for years.
State Secrets has been deployed as a defense for those who have sued for torture during their incarceration for which they were not charged.
A case, al-Haramain v. Obama, was argued this morning that is probably the most significant along these lines yet before Judge Vaughn Walker in the ND California. There is arguably more at stake for the Obama administration and its policy of human rights violation parallel to Bush’s than in any other case so far.
So much for the “change” anyone can believe in as to civil rights.
All Obama’s appellate federal filings are well to the right of or identical to Bush’s.
TnGelding
September 23rd, 2009
9:17 pm
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
5:18 pm
…and a visionary world leader.
Soothsayer
September 23rd, 2009
9:17 pm
md:
In fairness to you there have been numerous abuses by Unions (Mafia connections, etc,) On the whole, however, Unions have provided a positive benefit to American society. And, in fairness, I agree that people must seek opportunity. But, I ask you in all honesty, did you “find your own way” or was some opportunity presented to you? Be honest.
I think you can’t accept the conditions that currently exist in our economy. The opportunity you mention has never been so hard to find as it is today.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 23rd, 2009
9:18 pm
If government spending by Republicans is so bad, then why don’t we reverse it?
Please.
And that’s a hell of an excuse from the immature ones, Bush jumped off the cliff so we can too, nanananaduhblahblah.
fools.