Obama at the UN: World loves it, neo-cons hate it

President Obama’s speech to the United Nations was well-received, at least by the world leaders and ambassadors assembled for the occasion. As The Wall Street Journal reported, Obama “sought to distance his country from the era of his White House predecessor, vowing that “America will live by its values” on human rights even as he said he would take to task the abuses and failures of allies and foes alike.”

“The U.S. president clearly tried to turn the page on the Bush era. He spoke of his decisions to ban the use of torture and close the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The U.S., he said, has “moved from a bystander to a leader in international climate negotiations.” He pledged to soon seek the ratification of the Comprehensive nuclear Test Ban Treaty and pursue deep cuts to the U.S. nuclear arsenal…

As he spoke, the dramatics that had greeted some of the addresses of President George W. Bush were nowhere in evidence.

But Mr. Obama did call on the world to give up a “an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for our collective inaction.”

“Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world’s problems alone. We have sought — in word and deed — a new era of engagement with the world,” he said. “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.”

Over the National Review’s Corner, however, the reviews were not so kind. Words such as “shameful,” “appalling,” “galactic obliviousness” and “staggering naivete” were being bandied about. Former UN Ambassador John Bolton called it “a post-American speech by our first post-American president.”

Here’s the text of the speech.  Go read it yourself, and judge for yourself. Personally, I think the folks at the Corner have utterly lost it.

337 comments Add your comment

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 23rd, 2009
5:18 pm

I’ll bet the UN “security” council clapped the loudest for your little Benedict Arnold, who loves Libya and Somalia more than Obozo?

Party time, eh?

ACORN, trial lawyers, abortion mongers and now the UN, wonderful constituency you have there.

ew

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
5:29 pm

Good speech, Mr. President. I hope we can live up to your words…

GEORGE AMERICAN

September 23rd, 2009
5:30 pm

I LOVE QADAFI’S CONTRIBUTION TO OBLAMA’S SPEECH.

BILL AYERS AND THE ACORN PR STAFF MUST HAVE BEEN TOO BUSY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SPEECH.

DID HE GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO HIS FELLOW COUNTRYMEN IN KENYA?

reality

September 23rd, 2009
5:31 pm

All I know is that metro Atlanta is devastated, we have loss of life, power is out, and water is cut off in many counties. Barack Obama, FEMA, and the Federal government are no where to be found and have been silent on help with the damage. Hope and change my azz.

Pogo

September 23rd, 2009
5:32 pm

Folks, if you ever want a topic changed by Jay, just say so and I’ll post a comment. That’ll do it everytime.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 23rd, 2009
5:33 pm

Oh yeah, I forgot the labor unions-

The 215 percent increase in tire imports from China is largely the fault, so to speak, of lower-income Americans, many of whom will respond to the presidential increase in the cost of low-end tires by driving longer on their worn tires. How many injuries and deaths will this cause? How many jobs will it cost in tire replacement businesses, or among longshoremen who handle imports? We will find out. The costs of the president’s sacrifice of the national interest to the economic illiteracy of a single labor union may also include injuries China might inflict by imposing retaliatory protectionism or reducing its purchases of U.S. government debt, purchases that enable Americans to consume more government services than they are willing to pay for.-George Will, RealClearPolitics

mike

September 23rd, 2009
5:38 pm

“Personally, I think the folks at the Corner have utterly lost it.”

Yes, don’t those guys know that only Bookman and those who share his views are allowed to criticize a UN speech?

You think the guys at the Weekly Standard feel any differently about guys like Jay? You think they care? Are we supposed to find it newsworthy that a hyper-partisan liberal pundit thinks those who don’t share his views have “utterly lost it”?

south fulton

September 23rd, 2009
5:40 pm

reality..where have you been? maybe you should search google or read the ajc.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 23rd, 2009
5:41 pm

You think ACORN is relevent-

LAST MONTH A CLASSIFIED UNITED Nations report prompted Secretary General Kofi Annan to admit that U.N. peacekeepers and staff have sexually abused or exploited war refugees in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The worst of the 150 or so allegations of misconduct–some of them captured on videotape–include pedophilia, rape, and prostitution.-Weekly Standard

Birds of a feather…….

Jackie

September 23rd, 2009
5:44 pm

@I Report

The UN clapped loudest when President Obama called you out!

@GEORGE AMERICAN

President Obama gave a shout-out to you, his fellow countryman; I forget, you didn’t get the news that the President was born in Hawaii!

Jackie

September 23rd, 2009
5:46 pm

@I Report

You must be in a time warp. Kofi Annan is no longer Secretary General of the UN. Keep posting this information that gives all insight into you delusions.

mike

September 23rd, 2009
5:48 pm

This post is actually in response to Cynthia Tucker’s column comparing “birthers” with “truthers” which just disappears when I post it. Just trying to see if it is something with the blog software or if it is some kind of censorship:

First of all, Cynthia is a member of the “left wing fringe” herself. That is pretty indisputable.

Second of all, Public Policy Polling is a partisan liberal polling source, so their numbers are garbage. PPP says that Democrats are 25%-63%-12% yes/no/not sure on Bush and 9/11. Rasmussen non-partisan poll has it at 35%-39%-26%. The difference between the two polls is 24 points on whther Bush may have known about 9/11. Just to be clear 61% of Democrats think that Bush did or may have knowledge of 9/11, so Tucker’s claim that there are extremists on the left is laughable.

Thirdly, the notion that everyone who does not know if Obama was born out of country is a “birther” is a joke. The question only asks if you think Obama was born out of country, not if he is legally President. For folks who don’t follow politics, they may simply may be confused by the cross-talk, Many folks are aware that Obama’s father was Kenyan and that he lives overseas as a child. Is it such a stretch that people may not know where the guy was born? Do we also think that all of these people are familiar with the naturalized birth requirement for the President. Liberal hacks intentionally conflate the two to make just the silly point that Tucker is making here.

Finally, let’s compare the two “offenses”. It is much more extreme to accuse Bush of intentionally letting 3,000 people die than it is to not be aware of where Obama was born. Tucker may try to conflate the two to continue her relentless partisan march to demonize people who dare not share her narrow-minded views, but this dishonest argument falls apart under light scrutiny.

mike

September 23rd, 2009
5:49 pm

What is up with this garbage blog software? I can’t imagine what is finding objectionable about my posts.

Hef

September 23rd, 2009
5:51 pm

“Obama laid out four pillars for the world community-peace in the mideast & elsewhere,a reduction in nuclear weapons,preservation of the enviroment,and global economic opportunity.” in baseball a .250 batting average gets sent to the minors or released. While good intentions, a well spoken speech, and the fawning from the press plays well,is any but one realistic?

mike

September 23rd, 2009
5:51 pm

Jackie –

George American is one of the several mindless partisans who do lame “parodies” of conservatives. You would have thought that the joke would have gotten tired after the first few posts for these guys,but here we are.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 23rd, 2009
5:52 pm

Let’s see, on the European tour he apologized profusely for America and now he says he won’t apologize for America. The reason that President Bush drew a visceral response from the UN crowd was simple – he viewed the world as a battle between good and evil and the corrupt fat cats in the UN audience are the embodiment of evil. On the other hand, in Obama they have found a cuckhold willing to set aside American interest to win the world’s approval. One can hardly cheer anything this dufus does, let alone his ramblings today at the UN.

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
5:53 pm

Well, this sounds like a good reason to keep a few neo-cons around. They serve as a good metric. If they hate it, do it.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 23rd, 2009
5:59 pm

Jackie- Obozo is no longer the leader of Acorn either, right?

We think?

DoggoneGA

September 23rd, 2009
5:59 pm

“George American is one of the several mindless partisans”

Give him his due…he gave us Engrish.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 23rd, 2009
6:00 pm

Well, I sure hope old Sonny and all them homeowners turn down any federal aid on account of this flooding. I know they can just suck it up and be too proud to accept money from a guvmint they want to secede from. I hope I read wrong, but it sounded like old Sonny was asking for federal money, and that would make him a Trader to our cause. So I’m asking all the flooded-out homeowners to just pitch a tent and wait it all out. God will provide, but maybe it will take a few decades.

Anyhow, I’m just flabbergasted this Obama wants to get along with other countries. Now My President would of got up there at the UN and told them how rotten they are and let them know we got plenty of troops to take care of them too if they don’t straighten up and fly right. Maybe he would of added a few countries to the Axis of Evil.

We are going downhill fast as a nation and that’s all I got to say. Oh, and a big shout-out to my friend mike. He seems to be my biggest fan. Have a good night everybody.

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
6:01 pm

Andy,

The time has come for America to make its own tires and most everything else. Then, there will exponentially fewer poor “lower-income Americans.”

The time has long past to abandon failed neo-liberal policy. It’s time to “BUY AMERICAN.” We need to start SELLING to the world instead of BUYING from it.

All you libertarians SELL OUT AMERICA WHILST WAVING YOUR FLAGS.

Reaganomics, neo-liberal economics–whatever you want to call it has been a miserable failure. Drive down the street–look at all of the “For Lease” and “For Sale” signs where once-profitable businesses once were.

It’s gut-check time. Will you continue to SELL OUT YOUR COUNTRY for the CHEAPEE DEAL? DO YOU CARE? Will society have to unravel into chaos? Don’t think your guns will save you–they won’t.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 23rd, 2009
6:01 pm

Surprisingly, while Jay can’t seem to keep his hands off himself as he basks in the afterglow of the Obama speech, Cindy Tucker was sharply critical of Obama. Some excerpts are below:

Could he get any more handsome? No he couldn’t!

Size shouldn’t matter, but he still has the biggest teleprompter in the world!

Just words? Absolutely, when I watch his lips and tongue move I can’t hear a word he is saying!

He was wrong to ban torture without first determining if the definition of torture includes tying me up and running and ice cube across my skin!

mike

September 23rd, 2009
6:02 pm

DoggoneGA –

“Give him his due…he gave us Engrish.”

He gives us another lame and bigoted parody. Yawn.

The truth is that the parodies are useless as folks like Whiner, Taxpayer and AmVet are caricatures of partisanship as they are. No wonder newcomers to the site can’t tell the difference between the “parodies” and the real thing.

Hef

September 23rd, 2009
6:03 pm

When I was young my dad would read me stories much like Pres Obama’s speech,back then and as today we call them fairy tales. Boy life was so much simpler then.

mike

September 23rd, 2009
6:03 pm

Redneck –

Nah. I am actually no more a fan of you than I am of other intolerant bigots. You are all pretty much the same, no matter who the target of your ignorant stereotypes may be.

Dave R.

September 23rd, 2009
6:04 pm

Screw the rest of the world, Hope & Change! Try focusing on the country you live in and represent sometime, instead of caring about what the rest of the world thinks about us.

Dave R.

September 23rd, 2009
6:07 pm

Soothsayer, I agree with you in that we should make more of our items we buy.

Now, if the unions would simply get out of the way we could start doing that tomorrow.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:07 pm

Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi stated today that he would be happy if Obama could stay president forever.

Well dims?

Duh?

Any comment on this great American that you guys have installed?

mike

September 23rd, 2009
6:07 pm

Look, I think it is great that Obama got big applause. I am just waiting to see some of the applause translate into more of our “allies’” troops in Afghanistan and more support for putting pressure on Iran and NK.

As time goes on it is quite evident that no other nation’s attitude towards us has changed in any meaningful way, even without the excuse of mean old George Bush to hold them back. Maye that will change over time, but I think it is quite naive to believe so.

md

September 23rd, 2009
6:09 pm

The UN is an utterly worthless good ole boys club and way past its prime. Want to save some money, close it up and quit paying the horendously disproportional dues. Its nothing more than a group of self serving grown-up cliques.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm

Redneck

**Anyhow, I’m just flabbergasted this Obama wants to get along with other countries.**

Conservatives don’t have a problem with his getting along with other countries as long as those other countries weren’t responsible for murdering a planeload of people over Locerby Scotland. Can you understand that?

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 23rd, 2009
6:14 pm

That’s real nice Soothie but-

None of the 10 manufacturers who comprise the domestic tire industry sought this protectionism. Seven of the 10 also make tires in other countries. Most U.S. manufacturers have stopped making low-end tires, preferring the higher profit from more expensive models. (Four U.S. companies make low-end tires in China.)

The president smote China because a single union, the United Steelworkers, asked him to. It represents rubber workers, but only those responsible for 47 percent of U.S. tiremaking. The president’s action will not create more than a negligible number of jobs, if any. It will not restore a significant number, if any, of the almost 5,200 jobs that were lost in the tire industry between 2004 and 2008. Rather, the president will create jobs in other nations (e.g., Mexico, Indonesia) that make low-end tires. They make them partly because some U.S. firms have outsourced the manufacturing of such tires to low-wage countries so the U.S. firms can make a small profit, while making high-end and higher-profit tires here in high-wage America.-George Will, RealClearPolitics

Dusty

September 23rd, 2009
6:14 pm

Was that truly an American president telling the world that America is NO GOOD? That was not only bad, it was sad.

The greatest country in the world and we have a jackass of a president saying otherwise like he believes it. He probably does. Even a Democrat ought to see what is wrong with that.

But most Democrats seem blind and deaf. Blind devotion. That is the only excuse I can imagine for them. And let not that nasty word “Patriotism” escape their lips. They would not be caught so politically incorrect as to mention the lack of it..

What next? Are we going to surrender to Canada or Mexico? Or just anybody that says “Boo!”?

Hef

September 23rd, 2009
6:14 pm

Mike-What some here in the good ol USA don’t realize is, most of the world hated us well before GW was in the WH. And believe it or not they’ll still hate us when Obama leaves the WH,now do to all of his “we’re sorry,we’re the bad guy” they have every right to hate us and more,great job Pres.

Finn McCool

September 23rd, 2009
6:15 pm

Mike, did you lose your job? Maybe your dog or your girlfriend? Why so angry?

I suggest you get a dog or a girlfriend before you blow a gasket.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:17 pm

Bookman

When can I expect an answer to my question about whether you supported Bush’s drug plan? Let me guess: I’ll be moderated long before that happens.

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm

Dave R:

As much as you hate Unions, they serve a useful purpose: they help prevent the abuse of labor. Strong Unions, fair wages are the secret to “demand-side” economics. We have spent almost 30 years now on “supply-side economics.”

If you research the history of labor, you will find that Unions are not evil as you think but help prevent labor from being exploited to the extreme.

Many on the right think that people who work in factories should work for “less than a living wage.” Let me ask you this? What do you think is a fair hourly wage in the United States? $10.00 $20.00 $30.00?

$10.00 and hour is approximately $20,000 a year. Could you live on that? I know, you don’t give a sh*t! $20.00 and hour is approximately $40,000 year. This approaching a living wage–if your wife works.

How much do you make?

Jay

September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm

Dusty asks:

“Was that truly an American president telling the world that America is NO GOOD? ”

Perhaps Dusty would like to provide the quote from the speech in which Obama made that statement. I’ve provided the link to the president’s speech. It should be easy to find the quote in question, if one exists.

Otherwise….

Jackie

September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm

@I Report

Still have your facts confused, don’t you?

@Nothing Is Free

One good thing about free speech, it is just that. Anyone has the right to say and believe what they choose, they do not have the right to change the facts to suit themselves.

The Constitution of the United States says that each President can only be elected for a total of 8 years, no more. How does that affect the speakers at the UN?

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm

Dusty

it’s been a bad day for libs here. I don’t think any of them dared to try to defend what the idiot in the WHite House has done or said. But the personal attacks have been thick. LOL!!!

Did you hear about the fed slapping a gag order on Humana? These guys are one step away from complete fascism.

mike

September 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm

Hef –

You are quite right, but don’t tell the folks here ;)

Finn McCool -

Is your constant name calling a sign of what a happy person you are? Spare me your hypocrisy.

Jackie

September 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm

@Dusty

The President’s speech was not indicative of a jackass articulating his policies, rather it was the jackass that did not hear anything he said.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:24 pm

Bookman

So you are reading the blog but you make a point of not answering. Point made . . . in so many ways. It’s not like you had any credibility except among your sheep anyway.

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
6:26 pm

Andy,

Your point is well-taken. We are not talking isolated incidents here. What I’m talking about is the wholesale transfer of the U.S. economy overseas. This tire incident represents a “beach head” of sorts. Surely, even you can see that we are “dead.” Our economy is dead. Our Country is dead. To continue on this path is lunacy.

Notice that I did not insult you.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:26 pm

Jackie

I’m glad you are a proponent of Free Speech. So how do you feel about the fed ordering Humana to stop corresponding with their customers, anything that counters what the fed is saying? THat seems to lean a little toward breaking the first amendment, doesn’t it?

Hef

September 23rd, 2009
6:27 pm

Soothsayer-While agree with you that unions at one time served a meaningfull purpose,but like so many they have abused they’re power. As for wages,yes $10.00 an hour is peanuts in today’s world,but I have quite a few of my employee’s making 6 figures at $25.00 per.

mike

September 23rd, 2009
6:27 pm

Nothing is Free –

Jay is always lurking around here. He usually swoops in only when he is pretty confident that he has an easy and definitive response to a comment. He also usually ducks harder questions that point out the flaws in his logic.

F. Sinkwich

September 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm

I am so sad. The President of the United States has declared “American Exceptionalism” an anachronism, if not dead. Freedom and liberty are no longer ideals to propagate wherever possible. We are now just one of many, not the bastion of peoples yearning to breath free.

That Stars Wars bar scene I saw this afternoon (dictators, tyrants, communists, terrorists, socialists, etc.) are now our equivalents. They love our president! There is no question they laugh at his naivete. And perceive his words and actions as weakness.

Sad day indeed.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:29 pm

Jackie

BTW. The point I was making was that one of America’s longest enemies was saying that he supported Obama. Maybe liberals are really proud of that. Most people would start looking closely at why our enemies would support our president.

RJ

September 23rd, 2009
6:29 pm

Brilliant speech by our president who is on a mission to change course in international relations – or lack thereof in the previous administration which was filled with arrogant thugs who created wars so that their friends could become even bigger greedy profiteers. The Halliburtons, Brown+Roots and Bechtels are put on notice that their vision of world dominance is getting a swift whack in the knees. Their impotent puppets in government are trying to stage their self-described rebellions in the form of retarted tea parties and town hall meetings. These morons and their lemmings – especially in this backwater state – are thought-controlled pansies programmed by jackass Hannity, brain-dead Boortz and drug-addicted hypocrite Limbaugh. It’s about time we have a leader who is willing to stand up to the right-wing neo-con machine and become a player in the world. We’ve had eight years of an installed administration that produced record high deficits to barely fund a multi-trillion dollar fiasco of two wars that ultimately failed in every way possible. Now we have empty-headed drones paradigg as pimps and whores to concoct what they think is the story of the century in ACORN. The right-wing media thinks it’s got the smoking gun to take down this president – who they despised from Moment One. It’s laughable to think that Murdoch has his Woodward+Bernstein Moment, but the mindless idiots who are well-off in suburbs/exurbs and exclusive areas in-town–peddle this crap as if they’re somehow informed. In reality they are stealing alcoholic Glenn Beck’s scripts and regurgitating the lines back to their phony bleach blond-tennis playing-Hummer-driving wives or vice versa to their beer-swilling-college-football-watching-fat hubbies.

Dave R.

September 23rd, 2009
6:30 pm

Soothsayer, there is no such thing as a fair hourly wage. You get paid according to your skill level and the worth of the product you produce. That is fair. If you can live off that, great. If you can’t, get some better skills and a better job so that you can live off of what you make.

The market determines a fair wage. Not you, nor me, nor the government.

Jackie

September 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm

@Nothing Is Free

At first glance, it does appear that the order is going too far. However, past investigations into large corporations have been halted because of public pronouncements of innocence/guilt by the target of the probe.

This particular tactic raises the Constitutional question of double jeopardy.

If that is the concern, it is probably best the Justice Department ask the target to refrain from making public statements about the case.

Kamchak

September 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm

…rather it was the jackass that did not hear anything he said.

Ya’ll cut Dusty some slack–It’s hard for her to hear over the cacophony of sounds from her home–the barnyard.

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm

Dusty, Mike, Dave R., NIF, F. Sinkwich and others, While Whiner is sniffing glue and playing with sissors, I’m saying y’all need a dose of this…again. And check that blood sugar, I think it’s low
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU

Jackie

September 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm

@F. Sinkwich

If our so-called enemies perceive the President as being weak and indecisive, wonder why they have not marched their armies to our shores?

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
6:34 pm

It is one of the characteristics of a free and democratic nation that is have free and independent labor unions.

– Franklin D. Roosevelt

mike

September 23rd, 2009
6:36 pm

RJ –

Wow that is a lot of liberal boiler plate for one post. Let’s just tick off some of that fine liberal tolerance that we hear so much about.

People who don’t share your views are:

“arrogant thugs who created wars so that their friends could become even bigger greedy profiteers”
” impotent puppets”
“retarted ” (I always laugh when people misspell this juvenile insult)
“morons”
“lemmings”
residents of a “backwater state”
“thought-controlled pansies”
“jackasses”
“brain-dead”
“drug-addicted”
“empty-headed drones paradigg(sic) as pimps and whores”
“mindless idiots”
“phony bleach blond-tennis playing-Hummer-driving wives”
“beer-swilling-college-football-watching-fat hubbies.”

That’s a lot of hate for one paragraph! Do you think it is a coincidence that anyone who does not share your narrow minded views is dumb, evil or dumb and evil?

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:36 pm

Mike

I have followed Bookman for years. That is why I knew his stance on the Bush drug program.

He is your basic pundit. As long as he can write and no one answers, he is a happy dude. The proof comes in his ability to defend what he claims. This is why Air America doesn’t work. One smart conservative and the host would pee all over themselves. Liberalism just doesn’t stand up to any sort of logical inspection.

We all want a better world. We all want everybody to be happy. Well . . . Republicans want everyone to be happy. We all know how democrats feel about Republicans, rich people, very rich people, people rich enough to pay their own way, insurance companies. Anyone against the infiltration of unions, Christians, Jews, Blacks that dare to vote Republican and any white man with a job (Considered an act of affirmative action waiting to happen). Did I leave anyone out?

Kamchak

September 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm

2080 work hours per year x $25 = $52,000—what are you leaving out?

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm

Hef:

To make $100,000 at $25.00 an hour a person would have to work 4,000 hours a year or around 78 hours per week. I’m trying to understand your point.

F. Sinkwich

September 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm

RJ, look up “paragraph” on Google.

Thanks for asking.

Kamchak

September 23rd, 2009
6:40 pm

Air America doesn’t work because liberals don’t need to listen to it.

Project much?

F. Sinkwich

September 23rd, 2009
6:41 pm

Jackie, how about an Iranian nuclear missile going off in Israel?

But as long as that doesn’t happen in Atlanta that’s fine with you, huh?

You’re welcome.

mike

September 23rd, 2009
6:41 pm

Normal –

Spare us your partisan criticisms. Did you miss RJ’s post or does his contempt for conservatives give him a pass?

Why don’t you just be clear for us and detail the rules for people who share your views and detail another separate list of rules for those who don’t? Then we will all do our best to adhere to them so as not to disturb you.

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
6:43 pm

Dave R.:

Soothsayer, there is no such thing as a fair hourly wage. You get paid according to your skill level and the worth of the product you produce. That is fair. If you can live off that, great. If you can’t, get some better skills and a better job so that you can live off of what you make.

The market determines a fair wage. Not you, nor me, nor the government.

I couldn’t disagree more. What with Chinese workers willing to work for $0.57/hour, how can any American compete with that?

No the “market” has been usurped. We have sold our AMERICAN WORKERS down the river. Cursed, dispised, laughed at. And yet, in so doing we sold AMERICA down the river. For the AMERICAN WORKER and AMERICA are inseparable.

DoggoneGA

September 23rd, 2009
6:43 pm

“To make $100,000 at $25.00 an hour a person would have to work 4,000 hours a year or around 78 hours per week”

You forgot about overtime, which is normal time and a half…or $37.50 at $25.00 an hour. I make that 61 hours per week, not 78

mike

September 23rd, 2009
6:43 pm

Nothing is Free –

” Liberalism just doesn’t stand up to any sort of logical inspection.”

Well it can when somebody is actually trying to make the case for liberal views instead of just bashing conservatives :)

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:43 pm

Jackie

**If that is the concern, it is probably best the Justice Department ask the target to refrain from making public statements about the case.**

That would be great if we were talking about a court case or any kind of action being taken against anyone. We are not. We are talking about a bill being pushed through Congress that will effect us all. Demanding that Humana stop discussing this bill, or sending information to it’s customers while AARP is doing the same thing for it’s customers is simply against the 1st Amendment.

Again, this administration is doing what it pleases and continues to ignore our constitution.

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm

All hail RJ!

Dave R.

September 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm

Soothsayer, the LAST person you need to be quoting to try to make your point is FDR. He is the father of the modern day Socialist movement.

You might try reading Thomas Jefferson some time. A much more valid read.

mike

September 23rd, 2009
6:46 pm

Kamchak –

“Air America doesn’t work because liberals don’t need to listen to”

So the existence of a partisan conservative media outlet means that conservtives “needd it”?

Well then how do you explain the existence of HuffPost, MSNBC, the NYT editorial section or Jay’s blog?

What a silly argument.

Dave R.

September 23rd, 2009
6:49 pm

Too bad if another country is willing to make a product we need and want cheaper than us, Soothsayer.

For me, if I find something made here that is of a better quality than made elsewhere, I buy what is made here because of the quality, not the source. If it happens to cost more because of that quality, I am willing to pay the additional freight.

joe matarotz

September 23rd, 2009
6:49 pm

I think Obama should invest in a new speech writer. He uses too much second person when he is addressing third person situations. I suspect that’s an effort to build affinity. However, some of today’s posters have shown that he needs to dumb things down or they don’t get it.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm

Mike

I think liberals are just poor souls who want to be happy, but have no idea how to get it. I think that most are waiting for happiness to be brought to them. I think that is why there are so many unhappy liberals.

F. Sinkwich

September 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm

Proposed presidential speech to the UN:

“Thank you for inviting me here to speak to you today. I want you to know that the United States wants freedom and liberty for all who embrace it. We will pursue that interest. Go figure out what that means. Thank you.”

Man, I’m good.

Hef

September 23rd, 2009
6:52 pm

Soothsayer-You were pointing out that it’s hard to live off $10.00 – $20.00 per hour, I agree if you work the basic 40 hours. My guy’s are paid hourly by the job,not necessarily by how many hours they work. i agree with Dave R@6:30. I make a very good living,but I don’t just put in min time to achieve it.

F. Sinkwich

September 23rd, 2009
6:53 pm

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F. Sinkwich

September 23rd, 2009
6:54 pm

That submit was a mouse problem :-) Sorry.

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
6:54 pm

Mike what did RJ say? If you are talking about Boortz, Limbaugh or Beck, they are not Conservatives, they are talking heads who will say anything for rating. They don’t give a fig what you think or feel. Save your vitriol for 2012. The least you can do is give this President a chance What ARE you afraid of? Get over it. The Democrats are in control now, if 2012 comes and they haven’t done the job, then you can vote your guy in and I’ll help you. But honestly, you just come off as a stale sour tart. You certainly are not helping your side. People don’t listen to ugliness.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
6:54 pm

Have a good evening, folks.

Hef

September 23rd, 2009
6:55 pm

Soothsayer@6:43pm- Which American worker are you refering to?

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
6:57 pm

Dave R:

Franklin Roosevelt inherited a situation very much like the situation President Obama faces today. Years of liberal economic policy had devastated the country resulting in the Great Depression. This liberal economic policy resulted in the same situation we have today–concentration of wealth in upper 1 – 2% of the population.

Now we have neo-liberal economic policy with an even greater concentration of wealth in the top 1% of the population. EVEN WITH all of the policies instituted by FDR, only the second world war was able to break the grip of the depression.

As for all of you “wishers and hopers” out there who are looking for a quick end to our current difficulties, I wouldn’t hold my breath. In case you haven’t noticed, this is not a normal recession. Our economy is gone. Shipped out. Our only hope is home-building. Unfortunately, it costs far more to build a home than you can buy a foreclosed one for.

Hold fast to you beliefs! We are better off buying from overseas! Let our workers languish! They deserve it! It’s their fault! They only wanted a living wage!

Kamchak

September 23rd, 2009
6:59 pm

So the existence of a partisan conservative media outlet means that conservatives “needd[sic] it?”

Yep.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm

Soothsayer- You haven’t heard the news about the world economy?

Oh my, you’d better sit down.

Dave R.

September 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm

And Soothsayer, there are many out here who believe that FDR’s policies EXTENDED the Depression.

Stop your wealth envy and work towards YOUR own good. Let everyone else work towards theirs without government intervention.

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
6:57 pm

Well said…

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
7:03 pm

Dave R:

Every dollar you spend on imported products weakens our economy.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 23rd, 2009
7:04 pm

Jay is always lurking around here. He usually swoops in only when he is pretty confident that he has an easy and definitive response to a comment. He also usually ducks harder questions that point out the flaws in his logic.

Score a point for mike.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 23rd, 2009
7:05 pm

Soothsayer- That would be the same FDR that saddled us with Social Security, which is fixin to take out whatever Obozo doesn’t?

Dave R.

September 23rd, 2009
7:07 pm

Actually, Soothsayer, every dollar this government borrows from other countries weakens our economy.

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
7:07 pm

Dave R:

I am a professional with a degree who makes more than enough to live on. I don’t have any wealth envy. My only concern is FOR OUR GREAT AMERICA that has been SOLD DOWN THE RIVER IN THE NAME OF GREED. You have yours. That’s great! You don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone else. That’s obvious. I want more than anything else a strong, prosperous AMERICA where everyone shares in the wealth–not just the fortunate few.

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
7:09 pm

Dave R.

September 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm

Stop your wealth envy and work towards YOUR own good. Let everyone else work towards theirs without government intervention.

That is the most stupid statement I have seen on this blog, and that’s saying something. Why don’t you tell us how to do that if there are no jobs? Do you suggest we move to India? I’m usually a “try to get along kind of guy”, but I do have a low tolerance for BS, and unless you can come up with ideas to do your statement, it’s just BS, sorry.

F. Sinkwich

September 23rd, 2009
7:09 pm

How erudite, Normal.

However, please consider that Chairman O has had his chance and many in America abhor his policies. Rather than insult his opponents, could you please defend his socialist and big government solutions to every problem known to mankind?

Just asking.

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
7:10 pm

,…and Mike, babe, you need a drink…try some milk of human kindness…just suggestin’

F. Sinkwich

September 23rd, 2009
7:12 pm

Soothsayer, a liberal arts degree doesn’t make you a genius. Taking wealth from individuals who earn it at the point of a gun is communist. Remember, to each according to their needs, from each according to their abilities.

But I guess you knew that.

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
7:13 pm

Dave R:

I couldn’t agree more. AT LAST WE AGREE ON SOMETHING! At this moment we have borrowed approximately $2,000,000,000,000.00 from the Chinese.

Andy:

Were it not for Social Security millions of old people would live in utter destitute poverty. As for Medicare think of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions who were able to inherit free from claims against their estate because of it.

I think the jury is in long years ago–Social Security works.

Soothsayer

September 23rd, 2009
7:16 pm

F. Sinkwich:

How presumptuous! I don’t have a liberal arts degree. And once again, I make more than enough to live on and then some. Who said anything about a gun? Let me say it once again, if you cheat your countrymen, you cheat AMERICA!

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
7:19 pm

F. Sinkwich

September 23rd, 2009

I’ll ask you this why are you determined to defend failed policies? The “free enterprise” like Communism is fine on paper, but in reality both sux. Why? Because of human greed. The market has to be regulated. If you can’t stop insurance companies from gouging people and then cancelling them when they need it, they need regulating too.
The Ayn Rand way of doing business is just what she wrote…FICTION!Socialism? We have been socialistic in this country since WWII. Until you stop thinking that helping our fellow American is socialistic, then you are one of the greedy. Keep wishing for the return of the Reagan/Bush era, you just might get what you wish for…then you just might be sorry.

Normal

September 23rd, 2009
7:19 pm

I’m outta here, got Spanish Meatballs waiting…

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
7:20 pm

Nothing is Free, Dave R, Dusty, et al, simply confirm that there is no God. Otherwise, he would have fried your a$$es ten times over by now. :roll: