Dems afraid to tell it like it is on health care

Writing on today’s Wall Street Journal op-ed page, Thomas Frank condemns the Democrats’ decision to “complain to the referee” (my words) about GOP incivility rather than take the debate head on. Among other things, he writes, the approach “goes against the old rough-and-tumble image of the Democratic Party and confirms instead the effete latte-and-sushi stereotype of recent years.”

It’s a good piece, but the closing offers a lot of wisdom and good advice packed in three little paragraphs:

“The health-care showdown should have been a one-sided blowout. And yet it is the Democrats who are running to the playground monitor and watching their support drain away.

Why? Because from the beginning they have understood the problem primarily as a technical consumer issue, not a bid for social justice in a manifestly unjust time. In their criticism of the insurance industry they have largely avoided terms like “profiteering” in favor of dry talk about lower costs and more competition—hardly an ideal platform from which to launch a crusade.

Conservatives, on the other hand, have been crusading nonstop since the days of Barry Goldwater. Every economic issue is a grand moral issue for them—this particular one, even in its lukewarm Senate Finance Committee version, is “a stunning assault on liberty,” according to Sen. Jon Kyl (R., Ariz.)—and until liberals are prepared to contest those terms, they will have to live with a little incivility.”

Amen, Brother Thomas. Can I have an amen?

341 comments Add your comment

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
8:07 am

Mr. Frank is right when he calls this a bid for social justice.

(and about the dems not being strong enough)

Turd Ferguson

September 23rd, 2009
8:09 am

Yes…a bid by the Dems for social injustice against those individuals who work hard for their things only to see them stripped away by this ever so crooked President and his evil minions.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
8:14 am

Turd

All we dems need is a copy of your cancelled check and we’ll drain your finances by check o matic.

help us make it true

send your voided check

to Order of Obama
666 Boulevard of Satan
Washington DC 12UR0

Lord Help Us

September 23rd, 2009
8:16 am

If you want a war, the Christian Right will be o nyour side…

If you want to help the needy, the Christian Right will fight you…

Jesus must be so proud…

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
8:20 am

Jay – as I’ve said before, I’ll see your amen and raise you a TESTIFY!

meanwhile, did you read about Cantor’s not-townhall meeting in which he told a woman that, if her friend needed surgery on her stomach tumors, she should appeal to charity or a government program???

that’s right. let’s not fix the problem, let’s just wish it away.

Finn McCool

September 23rd, 2009
8:23 am

GOP Rushes To Defend Insurance Companies From Dem Attack

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/gop-rushes-to-defend-insu_n_295469.html

mike

September 23rd, 2009
8:23 am

Well Frank is certainly right about the “complaining to the referee” part. Democrats and their flacks in the media seem to have believed that screaming “racism” and “Republicans are bad” would be a winning argument for a particular version of health care reform.

Jay is a primary example of this. Here he has this huge microphone and he has used it on lame, undifferentiated partisan attacks instead of using it to make his argument for a particular health care policy. This was the same tactic used by every liberal media outlet and many Democrats in office. This tactic failed miserably, but I can guarantee that nothing will change. It is so much easier to call someone a racist than it is to make a persuasive argument.

Peadawg

September 23rd, 2009
8:23 am

If they “tell is how it is” (i.e. tell the truth about the bill), then NOBODY would be in favor of it. Some people see through the lies…some people believe the lies.

stands for decibels

September 23rd, 2009
8:28 am

So Frank believes the answer to the overhyped discussions about civility is to… gripe very publicly about the overhyped civility discussions?

Since I tend to like Thomas Frank I won’t write him off as a concern troll, but this one veers pretty damn close.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
8:28 am

Us in UK

Did you see the GOOD NEWS about the ACORN defunding?

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/could-acorn-defunding-bill-strike-military-industrial-complex/

Verrrry Interesting

Curious Observer

September 23rd, 2009
8:28 am

Why are the Democrats playing footsie with the Republicans on healthcare reform? They must know by now that not a single Republican will vote for a bill and that all the compromising and amending will not change that fact. Meantime, they are allowing themselves to get beaten up and abused, while reform is delayed. Just put a package together, one that includes a public option, and go the reconciliation route. That’s the way the Republicans handled the Bush tax cuts and it’s what they threatened to do to get their Supreme Court nominees confirmed. The Democrats need to recognize that Republicans will never accept real healthcare reform and that trying to appease them is pointless. Just shove healthcare reform up their ample derrieres and be done with it.

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
8:29 am

Well, the reason for the reasoned approach used to date by the Democrats is simple. They’re speaking to their constituency. If they wanted to reach the Republican base, the appropriate language would consist of such well-known phrases as “Drill This, Drill Now” and “You Lie”. Those two phrases cover a good 95% of all the GOP’s “communications” with their base.

stands for decibels

September 23rd, 2009
8:29 am

that’s right. let’s not fix the problem, let’s just pray it away.

sorry, had to fyt.

Zedd

September 23rd, 2009
8:30 am

Any mandates on individuals will be challenged in a court of law thereby tying up any new health care legislation in court potentially for years. BwaHaHa!

TnGelding

September 23rd, 2009
8:31 am

You think it might have something to do with the fact that only 10% of us are uninsured? And I’m sure the misreprsentaion hasn’t swayed anyone.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
8:20 am

A government program? Surely you jest!

pat

September 23rd, 2009
8:31 am

The fact that democrats are inept even in majority is no surprise to me. They snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. However, this is a good thing. First, the people spoke up and won…This should always be the case. Second, the resulting legislation should be better than what was previously proposed. Then again, these are politicians with an amazing nack to screw up in the most simple of circumstances. So we’ll see. For now the system worked as it should.

Fly-On-The-Wall

September 23rd, 2009
8:32 am

And we saw through the lies with the war in Iraq and the right called us unpatriotic. The right believed the lies and here we are trillions further in debt from it and no justice at home. And where is that compassionate conservatism again?

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
8:35 am

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
8:28 am
Us in UK

Did you see the GOOD NEWS about the ACORN defunding?

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/could-acorn-defunding-bill-strike-military-industrial-complex/

Verrrry Interesting

Awwwww. That’s just terrible. But, it’s the rule of law. hehehehe

Jackie

September 23rd, 2009
8:36 am

Repubs want things there way, as soon as they figure out what their way happens to be.

They remind you of children; give them too many choices and it confuses them.

Jackie

September 23rd, 2009
8:37 am

Should read their instead of there.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
8:37 am

TnG –

No, I’m not kidding … and stop calling me shirley! (yay!!!) :-)

Mrs. G –

money quote in the article: “You see, regardless of what you think of ACORN, it is laudable to stop taxpayer money from going to organizations that commit fraud against the government,” he said in a statement. “So as per the bill’s text, I’m going to put into the Congressional record a list of organizations who have committed fraud against the government or employs anyone who has.”

now, how can anyone POSSIBLY be against that???

meanwhile, BlackWater murders iraqi civilians and still gets their funding … SOOOOOOOOO glad the GOP has their priorities straight :roll:

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
8:41 am

Lockheed Martin, Northrup, Boeing, Humana…..

here’s the list

http://www.contractormisconduct.org/

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 23rd, 2009
8:42 am

That’s funny, all they’ve been doing is lying, so what do you want, bookman, a confession from them about the death panels, increased costs, mandated tax penalties and rationing?

President Obama, talking about his own civility concerns in an interview with CBS’s Bob Schieffer on Sunday, said he understands that the health-care debate is a “proxy for a broader set of issues about how much government should be involved in our economy.”-Thomas Franks, WSJ

The very same See BS that concocted a fake memo trying influence the outcome of a presidential election.

Civility, indeed.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
8:44 am

Speaking of which…see CBS lost it’s bid to have the Dan Rather suit dismissed again….

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
8:48 am

baaaaaaaahahahaha …. and this is why I love Whinus Maximus …

the same day he says “Stands for dingbat- I do” (readily dispute facts and opinions of “liberal” media outlets) – 7:47 this morning – he says “The very same See BS that concocted a fake memo trying influence the outcome of a presidential election” rather than address the facts and opinions of Thomas Franks.

hoooooo-boy, thanks whiner, you’re always good for a laugh …

VOICE OF REASON

September 23rd, 2009
8:48 am

The GOP panders and incite the unwashed, illiterate masses, primarily in the south by using certain code words and/or conducts. A significant portion of the masses are rural, lack education, lack health care and are on welfare. Yet, they accuse the Federal Government of being communist, socialist etc ( I doubt if they know the meaning or the implications of these words). A good example, is the Governor of Georgia asking for a hand out from the communist Obama for the floods we’ve just had in Georgia. The GOP is a shameless party for preying on these people by advocating policies which is against their interest.

pat

September 23rd, 2009
8:49 am

Civility is small issue to the larger problem. Both sides have been plenty uncivil. We need a solution that does not increase the size of government, but lowers costs and increases accessibility of health care. The democrats failed because their plans sucked. We need a plan that works for everybody not just democrats or republicans. What ever we get will be permanant it needs to be right, not just a “victory” for democrats. This victory would be a disaster for all.

danjonglee

September 23rd, 2009
8:50 am

The Party heads, super rich & politically connected will still have the best Healthcare in the world while the rest of the masses get screwed. Now that’s “social justice”…….Amen

jconservative

September 23rd, 2009
8:50 am

The Democratic problem on health care is Democratic senators from states that McCain carried in 2008. Ark, Miss, Neb to name 3. Those Democratic senators feel they cannot vote for a health care bill that would end up costing them their senate seat.

A reconciliation approach may be the only way a health care bill can be passed in 2009.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
8:50 am

Mrs. G -

I’m looking forward to having all the details of that case brought to light … they say the best lie is the one based in truth – I think there was a lot more truth in that memo than we know … the fact that the guy’s secretary actually verified the contents, jsut said that she didn’t type it, says a lot. and, yes, I do see Rove’s slimey fingerprints all over this story …

Road Scholar

September 23rd, 2009
8:52 am

What! Didn’t the Repubs READ their own bill before introducing it and asking for a vote on it?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
8:53 am

USinUK

I think Rather sees it the same way….

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
8:54 am

Road Scholar

Apparently not. And as much as I’d like to think the Dems were ahead of this and left the wording as is on purpose……it’s most likely a stretch.

Will Obama sign it and threaten the likes of GE with loss of federal funding?

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
8:58 am

People vote with their feet. And they love Bill O’Reilly; they love Glenn Beck. They love the shows that are on Fox. That’s what matters. Because people want to go where they can find truth. They obviously aren’t finding truth over on some of these other channels.

Come on, Jay. You don’t seriously expect reasoned Democrats to try and discuss issues with someone like this. I mean, the first step is to teach her to use her hands when voting instead of her feet.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
8:58 am

Mrs. G –

“Will Obama sign it and threaten the likes of GE with loss of federal funding?”

great … now I’ve got the song “straighten up and flyyyy right” in my head …

Turd Ferguson

September 23rd, 2009
8:58 am

OboboCare will be DOA!!

YEA BABY!!!

stands for decibels

September 23rd, 2009
8:59 am

A reconciliation approach may be the only way a health care bill can be passed in 2009.

I keep hearing threats of tiny-feet-stomping from a GOPer here and there if that is, in fact, how the bill winds up passing, but beyond that, what’s the real blowback?

I know the public can be a little thick at times, but I believe they could understand why it became necessary to overcome the archaic 60 vote threshold artificially imposed by our House of Lords in order to bring them the reform they thought they’d voted for in 2008.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:01 am

Taxpayer –

this is still my favorite bachmann-ism …

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2329978/posts

say what you want about that nutty-nut-nut, but, much like whiner, she’s always good for a laugh …

Disgusted

September 23rd, 2009
9:02 am

How do you enforce a law that permits imposition of a penalty if an organization is only charged–not convicted–of a fraudulent act? Would such a law pass constitutional muster, given our innocent-until-proven-guilty legal assumption? Perhaps some lawyers on this blog could weigh in on the issue.

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
9:02 am

We need a plan that works for everybody not just democrats or republicans. What ever we get will be permanant it needs to be right, not just a “victory” for democrats. This victory would be a disaster for all.

That’s why we are establishing new communities all across the country. We call them Perfect, USA.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
9:03 am

danjonglee

September 23rd, 2009
9:03 am

Since the best minds in our country have declared healthcare a basic human right, then it would be natural to presume that food would be included also, since it is the most fundamental component to all human health.
Then we must put an end to the gross & unconscionable profits made by Farmers, Ranchers, Meat Packers, Grocery Stores(Whole Foods), restaurateurs..
We need a Food Czar to put an end to the unequal distribution of nutrition.

Turd Ferguson

September 23rd, 2009
9:04 am

its basic Robbing Hood mentality…

Obama and his Evil Minions want to steal from those who have earned a decent living, invested wisely, built a nest egg, had kids within wedlock, etc…ya know people with morals and character and give to the bums, unwed baby-mama’s, lazy oafs, dimbulbs, adulterers, fornicators…ya know the people without morals and have zero character.

Thats pretty much the bottomline. Steal from the workers and give to the lazy. “Go to the ant thou sluggard and consider her ways”.

GEORGE AMERICAN

September 23rd, 2009
9:06 am

OBLARA AND HIS STOOGES ARE TRYING TO STEEL OUR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM WITH A TROGAN HORSE THEY ARE CALLING HEALTH CARE REFORM!!!

THIS AGGRESSION WILL NOT STAND!!!

Captain Underpants

September 23rd, 2009
9:07 am

For all I care the Homeless bums/baby-mama’s can eat fried turkey rectums.

AmVet

September 23rd, 2009
9:07 am

“First, the people spoke up and won…”

pat, I had to read that twice. I see now that you meant this regarding changing the health care industry in this country.

At first I thought it was a reference to the GOP losing 94% of the contests in the past two national elections.

I agree that this proposed solution is a farce.

For starters, you don’t cut deals with the corporate criminals and traitors at Aetna and Pfizer et al who have foisted the murderous status quo on we the people.

Single Payer now.

Uncle Sluggo

September 23rd, 2009
9:08 am

Why not just feed the homeless to the hungry?!!!

Hoppin Jack

September 23rd, 2009
9:11 am

I have some old used jockstraps I could donate to the homeless. They could be placed on their heads in winter as nose warmers.

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
9:12 am

Then, there is this Republican allstar. Her solution to what ails California would probably be a merger of equals, like California and South Carolina. :roll:

At least she knew that Palin was not qualified to run a major corporation. Then again, neither was she.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:13 am

shhhhhh … don’t anybody tell dan about the food stamp program, or the school breakfast/lunch programs, or WIC … it’s a secret …

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:14 am

Taxpayer –

you know, according to the Peter Principle, she should have been out of the game in 2000 … is she some kind of zombie, or what???

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
9:17 am

YIPES! We have been discovered.

Yep, lemonade…..we are coming for YOUR money.

Next Monday at 9 am.

Have it all in unmarked bills in a wicker laundry basket next to your mail box. The merry men will pick it right up!

Poor folks – we’ll meet for lunch and distribution at Fogo in Buckhead.

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
9:18 am

danjonglee

September 23rd, 2009
9:03 am
Since the best minds in our country have declared healthcare a basic human right, then it would be natural to presume that food would be included also, since it is the most fundamental component to all human health.
Then we must put an end to the gross & unconscionable profits made by Farmers, Ranchers, Meat Packers, Grocery Stores(Whole Foods), restaurateurs..
We need a Food Czar to put an end to the unequal distribution of nutrition.

Don’t forget air and water pollution. The Republicans really did one thing well while they were in power, they screwed up everything they touched. It’ll take more than Nixon-era Czar titles to fix it though.

Paul

September 23rd, 2009
9:19 am

Jay

Amen.

Some here complained about Frank Luntz (author of “Words That Work: It’s Not What You Say, It’s What People Hear” ) and his effectiveness. Instead of complaining, Democrats should’ve hired him. If you can’t find the words for the concepts that resonate with Americans, you lose.

But it’s not just the words. “approach “goes against the old rough-and-tumble image of the Democratic Party and confirms instead the effete latte-and-sushi stereotype of recent years.” Nothing like reinforcing a derogatory stereotype.

And it’s more than ‘complaining to the referee’ (which many dismiss as whining). It goes to the necessity of having an enemy to blame and to dismiss one’s troubles on them – whether it’s Astroturf or Town Hallers or Republican free marketers (or any other type) (who couldn’t stop a united Democratic healthcare initiative if they tried) –

Pres Obama almost gets it right with the moral framework – but he remains a tad too professorial, too above it all for many. And when the issues gets turned over to House and Senate and DNC members, you get the situation that led to the Franks piece.

Turd Ferguson

September 23rd, 2009
9:23 am

Nixons only crime was getting caught.

Paul

September 23rd, 2009
9:24 am

Mrs. Godzilla 8:28

Which of those organizations act as an arm of the Democratic Party and have so embarrassed the Party that most Congressional Democrats want to distance themselves from them?

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:28 am

“Nixons only crime was getting caught”

see. here’s the thing. if what he was doing wasn’t illegal, then “getting caught” at doing something legal really wouldn’t matter.

but, nice try, anyway.

AmVet

September 23rd, 2009
9:28 am

Regarding the hypothesis of this column, I think it is pretty obvious that the spineless Dems for the most part cannot hang with their GOP rivals on this matter.

The Republicans long ago mastered being mean little pr!cks. Look at their heroes – McCarthy, Nixon, Spiro, Newty, DickHead, Rummy….

These men were natural and innately self-serving, foul-mouthed b@st@rds.

The Dems have tried hard to keep up but will never even be in the same league.

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
9:28 am

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:14 am
Taxpayer –

you know, according to the Peter Principle, she should have been out of the game in 2000 … is she some kind of zombie, or what???

She is just well endowed with golden parachutes and lots of time on her hands.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
9:28 am

Paul

Let me guess ACORN? Wasn’t Cheney hatched from one? Bosch says he’s evil ya’ know.

However – the bill that made it through congress doesn’t limit the defunding to groups that embarass Democrats – it apparently includes
groups that have possibly embarassed the entire United States of America and all ddecent people in the world.

Imagine that?

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:30 am

Taxpayer –

“well endowed with golden parachutes” … is that what the kids are calling them these days?

pat

September 23rd, 2009
9:32 am

If we get single payer, can we get a co-op to manage the health a well being of the under aged prostitutes procured by ACORN?

Anybody wonder how many real underaged brothels ACORN actually help set up? They did seem to know what they were talking about in the videos, as if they’ve done it before. I tell you, I am curious.

Paul

September 23rd, 2009
9:33 am

Mrs. Godzilla

I’ll be a bit of a cynic and say that’s not surprising. After all, we’re dealing with the same types that brought us the financial meltdown.

But ACORN was different. It was working for the common good, for those without a voice, for the betterment of the communities.

And when Democratic lawmakers saw that meant recruiting clients to establish whorehouses with underage girls and subvert the tax laws, they ran as fast as they could.

They need to let that issue – not fade away – but drop like a stone, far out of sight.

Paul

September 23rd, 2009
9:34 am

USinUK

[[“well endowed with golden parachutes” … is that what the kids are calling them these days?]]

I think it has to do with all those tanning sprays…

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
9:36 am

These men were natural and innately self-serving, foul-mouthed b@st@rds.

And, pillars of their communal — The Order of the Grape Flavor-aiders. Strong God-fearing men with family values. Something for others to die for. :roll:

Paul

September 23rd, 2009
9:36 am

Mrs. Godzilla 9:28

Sorry, I forgot my on-topic comment.

I’ll believe it when I see it. And what gets taken away from a corporation in one area gets added back on thru the back door.

I rather think this was a way to provide political cover to Democrats.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:37 am

pat –

“I tell you, I am curious”

indeed. I’m sure you are.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
9:38 am

USinUK, Mrs. Godzilla

**Lockheed Martin, Northrup, Boeing, Humana…..here’s the list http://www.contractormisconduct.org/**

So you are both rejoicing over the fact that this ruling could result in thousands being unemployed that worked at major defense contractors.

And you wonder why so many are against people that think like you being in charge. Putting politics over the quality of lives of employees. I certainly expected no more but I am a little surprised that you openly admit that hate drives your every thought.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
9:38 am

Paul

ACORN is far from perfect. BUT so far as I know the organization has never been found guilty of anything other than poor folks.

I know to some folks that’s tantamount to treason.

I knew this community organizer once, had a group of 12 guys workin’ for him…ya’ know canvassing Gallilee, Bethlehem, Nazareth…..
turns out one of the 12 was making some cash on the side…..

It was a bummer.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
9:39 am

insert helping between than and poor, please

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
9:39 am

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:30 am
Taxpayer –

“well endowed with golden parachutes” … is that what the kids are calling them these days?

Are we talkin about the same thing… or the same person? :smile:

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
9:41 am

Nothing is Free

Are you putting $$$$ in front of ethics?

Oh, my…..I am soooooo hatin’ you. Getting out the doll and the pins…..hate ..hater….hatest. NOT.

Taxpayer

September 23rd, 2009
9:41 am

I tell you, I am curious.

For professional reasons? :smile:

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:41 am

NiF –

“So you are both rejoicing over the fact that this ruling could result in thousands being unemployed that worked at major defense contractors”

so you have no problem with them defrauding the gummint??? (ahem) And you wonder why so many are against people that think like you being in charge …

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
9:42 am

Lord Help Us

**If you want a war, the Christian Right will be o nyour side…If you want to help the needy, the Christian Right will fight you… Jesus must be so proud…**

The massive prejudice, bigotry and overt hate involved in that statement is about as disgusting as anything I have ever read. It is nothing but yet more hate filled vomit discharged by the liberal left.

Lord Help US make it to Nov., 2010.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:43 am

Mrs. G – “turns out one of the 12 was making some cash on the side” …. ooooo … very good, missy, very good …

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
9:43 am

Mrs. G.,

YES!!! He is.

pat,

“Anybody wonder how many real underaged brothels ACORN actually help set up?”

No. I’ll bet your the only person in the world whose actually sat around and thought about that.

Kamchak

September 23rd, 2009
9:43 am

Some here complained about Frank Luntz and his effectiveness. Instead of complaining, Democrats should’ve hired him.

Maybe Luntz doesn’t resonate with progressives. It takes a Goebbels to raze a village.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
9:44 am

hatee hate hate,,,,,,hate-eriffic….hate-tastic…..

super-cali-hater-fraggle-rock-a-espi-ali-liscious.

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
9:44 am

USinUK

Who is them? The honest and dedicated workers who are supporting their families? Too much to think about? It’s so much easier to just hate everyone, isn’t it?

Is there any possibility that you could take off the hate glasses long enough to start seeing clearly?

I don’t think so.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
9:44 am

My new catch phrase for the rest of the week:

“hate filled vomit”

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
9:46 am

Mrs. Godzilla

**Are you putting $$$$ in front of ethics?**

You girls yuk it up. It’s just people losing their livelihoods, their homes, their everything.

But hey, if that kind of thing bothered you, you would be one of the outraged ones on here instead of the ones laughing about the problems that this administration has dumped on America. .

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
9:47 am

Bosch

Anything that might wake you up.

Paul

September 23rd, 2009
9:47 am

Mrs. Godzilla

I must run (literally) so I haven’t time to provide source, but haven’t nearly 80 ACORN workers been indicted? True, it’s not the ‘organization,’ but when it covers so many arms of ACORN, then add to it the latest… well, it’s what’s referred to as systemic and it appears to be the straw that broke the camel’s back. Remember, it wasn’t just a few Democratic votes that let defunding pass – it was a huge majority.

As I said, better for Democrats to not mention this any more.

oh, and as far as “turns out one of the 12 was making some cash on the side…..

It was a bummer.”

We know what happened to that guy (Judas). You’re not suggesting the ACORN leadership should go and do likewise, are you?!!?

(joke!)

Later -

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:47 am

Bpsch –

“YES!!! He is” … aHA … now we know how to summon you … just mention He Who Must Not Be Named …

Joan

September 23rd, 2009
9:48 am

Lots of goofy people here. The CBO says the Baucus bill will strip Medicare advantage programs, resulting in seriously diminished care; the President says there is billions of waste now in Medicare, but doesn’t have a plan for a fix for that other than holding it hostage to getting his bill passed. Congress won’t consider free trade and competition for insurance companies across state lines, which would help with costs. It also won’t consider tort reform–making the loser pay for frivolous law suits, because the trial lawyers control the Democrats. It won’t allow doctors to turn away hugely obese patients with a prescription to “lose weight”. So, maybe we ought all just bend over.

AmVet

September 23rd, 2009
9:49 am

“The government awards contracts to companies with histories of misconduct such as contract FRAUD and environmental, ethics, and labor violations.”

Niiice.

Do they at least provide Vaseline when they bend Uncle Sam over?

The corporate destruction of capitalism.

And then these lamebrain conned blame ANYBODY but the criminals and traitors who run these imperious monsters. Whilst professing such deep and abiding concern over the poor employees.

Yeah, riiight…

Do they insist they adhere to the rule of law? Do they seek justice, economic or otherwise, for these crimes? Do they advocate for substantial changes and improvements?

Hell, no! They say these gangsters need less watching over!!!

And they remain steadfastly stupid while 75% of the people in this nation think these corporations have too much control over us…

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
9:49 am

Before I go to work:

Sarah Palin just made a huge difference in the health bill from her facebook site. It’s no wonder liberals are so terrified of her.

Liberals, she will be back and you are about to get your slimy a*s kicked.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
9:50 am

USinUK,

LOL! Yes, you can mention his evil highness or hate filled vomit.

[hate filled vomit..........that just cracks me up]

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
9:51 am

“Liberals, she will be back and you are about to get your slimy a*s kicked.”

Such, hate filled vomit.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
9:51 am

Paul

If ACorn leadership is the problwm well then can damn sure go the way of Judus.

Maybe when you come back you can tell us how many of those 8 were turned in by ACORN itself to the authorities.

Nothing is Free

You give us girls so much fodder for yukkin it up!

Of course we care about folks not having jobs…but that would be the fault of the folks who defrauded the government…..

See if corporations want personhood – they have to have personal responsibity too.

(won’t that upcoming SCOTUS ruling be fun!)

Lord Help Us

September 23rd, 2009
9:52 am

NF, easy questions then…

Are you a Christian?

Do you support government actions intended to help the needy?

Did you support the War in Iraq?

Nothing hateful (in my post…yours is another matter…), just seems those that identify themselves as Christians on this blog seem to act (spew) otherwise…

Nothing is Free

September 23rd, 2009
9:52 am

Bisch

It’s not like I really thought it would wake you up. One word can’t add to your IQ.

USinUK

September 23rd, 2009
9:52 am

NiF –

“Who is them? The honest and dedicated workers who are supporting their families? Too much to think about? It’s so much easier to just hate everyone, isn’t it?

wow. does the phrase “useful idiot” mean anything to you??? look it up … the rest of us will wait …

(whistling “straighten up and fly right” … thanks again, Mrs. G)

it’s people like you who rant and rail against health care and spending “your” money to help people have access to doctors … but, evidently have NO problem with Lockheed, Northrup, etc fraudulently spending “your” money to line executives’ pockets – you people just slay me with your “fiscal conservatism”

AmVet

September 23rd, 2009
9:52 am

BTW look a this rogues galleries of the biggest thieves among the fascists:

#1) Merck

#2) Glaxo Smith Kline

#3) Exxon Mobil

#4) McKesson

#5) Boeing

And the conned shuck and grin FOR them to the harm of their own children and grandchildren and so on!

Dupes…

Mrs. Godzilla

September 23rd, 2009
9:53 am

Vomit Hate crimes legislation is just around the corner!

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
9:53 am

“It’s not like I really thought it would wake you up. One word can’t add to your IQ.”

Such hate filled vomit.

Donovan

September 23rd, 2009
9:53 am

You’ve got to hand it to Bookman. He tries to present a persuasive argument for another lame-brained idea of his liberal party which wants to destroy a system that 85% of this country is comfortable with. These goofy liberals have been to Disney World once too often and are incapable of reason anymore. Read our lips, Bookman…We don’t want socialized medicine. It does not work. Rationing kills people and destroys medical quality. There won’t be enough doctors or nurses to run your fantasy. The poor and unproductive have been allowed reasonable life saving health care in this country for decades. You mining for Democrat votes in such a fashion is reprehensible.

Worst President EVER!

September 23rd, 2009
9:54 am

Obama approval rating tanking along with democrat-majority congress. Obama embarrassing himself and our country at the UN – shameful. Middle East leaders knowing they’re dealing with a weak president. Don’t blame me – I voted for McCain.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2009
9:55 am

Mrs. G.,

“Vomit Hate crimes legislation is just around the corner!”

I’ll bet those debates will be messy.