Surprise! South isn’t like the rest of the country
Last week, Steve Benen of the Washington Monthly put together an interesting chart using results of a weekly nationwide Research 2000 poll. He took the question “Do you have a favorable view of the Republican Party?” and charted the results by region.
As the Cookie Monster might note, one of these regions is very much not like the other.
While public attitudes toward the GOP are largely positive here in the South, they are very much negative in the rest of the country. Just 7 percent of voters polled in the Northeast think favorably toward the Republican Party, and numbers in the Midwest (13 percent) and West (14 percent) aren’t much better.
Not surprisingly, charting favorability toward the Democrats would produce a mirror image of Benen’s chart. While just 41 percent of voters think favorably of Democrats, and 50 percent perceive it unfavorably, those national numbers vary widely by region. In the Northeast, 62 percent view the Democrats favorably, while just 20 percent do so in the South.
The poll was done for the liberal DailyKos site, which will no doubt taint it in the eyes of some. But the national numbers it produces track closely with other polls, suggesting that it is not an outlier. Nationally, Research 2000 put Barack Obama’s favorability rating at 54 percent, while the average of major polls at Pollster.com puts it at 53.6 percent. (Here in the South, Research 2000 put Obama’s favorability number at just 27 percent, with 67 percent viewing him unfavorably.)
The standard question of whether the country is headed in the right direction or is on the wrong track also suggests the Research 2000 findings are in the mainstream. Its results put the numbers at 40 percent right direction, 54 percent wrong track, while the poll average at Pollster puts it at 38.6 percent right direction, 54 percent wrong track. In other words, the poll “trues up” pretty well.
And yes, we here in the South are considerably more pessimistic about the country’s direction than our fellow Americans. Just 30 percent say we’re headed in the right direction, while 63 percent say we’re on the wrong track.
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I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 22nd, 2009
8:39 am
Train running late this morning, bookman?
And you are right, Daily Kooks polls are for the, um, kooks.
We live in the real world.
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
8:44 am
I must say that graphic tell the whole story even without any numbers. The Republicans have been fingered out.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
8:44 am
you know, if GA actually got it’s head out of it’s collective keister and had Sunday alcohol sales, the view of where the country was heading would turn right around …
godless heathen
September 22nd, 2009
8:46 am
And Obama got 52% of the vote nationally. Says something about his appeal doesn’t it?
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
8:47 am
“And Obama got 52% of the vote nationally. Says something about his appeal doesn’t it?”
yep. says folks like him more than they liked W
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
8:49 am
Secede!
We’re a fickle lot. We thought the country was headed in the wrong direction under Bush, too, by much larger numbers, tho. Obo will get us turned around.
New motto: AUSTERITY!
How anyone could view the GOP favorably is beyond me. And ditto for the Democrats.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
8:50 am
What’s interesting to me is how close the yes and no are in the South as compared to the other areas.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
8:51 am
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
8:47 am
Or was it fewer folks disliked him?
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
8:53 am
huh huh…
Jay said “taint.”
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
8:54 am
Jay! You’re pullin’ our legs!
We know you weren’t really surprised! Anybody who has traveled out
of Dixie knows there is a great big beautiful world out there that the South is only a small dusty corner of.
Taxpayer…..quite a perceptive observation.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
8:55 am
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
8:50 am
Interesting? What about embarrassing? The unsure vote is larger, as well.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
8:55 am
TnG
8:51
that, too.
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
8:55 am
Godzilla, if you hate the south so much…leave!
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
8:59 am
“What about embarrassing?”
Why is it embarrasing?
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:02 am
Peadawg
Please show me where I said I hate the south.
If you can’t (and you can’t) go play in a swamped septic system you twit.
godless heathen
September 22nd, 2009
9:02 am
With such a disparity, you would think that Obama would have garnered more than 52% of the vote. This suggests that the Research 2000 poll is a bunch of crap.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
9:02 am
And Obama got 52% of the vote nationally.
I know I’m nitpicking but… you always know you’re dealing with a real special kind of entrenched denial when someone chooses to round 52.92 DOWN, to 52.
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:03 am
“South is only a small dusty corner of.”
I took that as you don’t like the South very much….I put words in your mouth like y’all do to me all the frigin time
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:04 am
And we’ve already started the name calling…that didn’t take long.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:05 am
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
8:59 am
That so many of us are that intractable after 8 years of total incompetence and miserable failure.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:05 am
Peadawg
You took it as?? You took it as?
Find the sawmp dude, and dive.
Also show me where I ever put words in your mouth (a gaping hole no human would approach to be sure) and I’ll give you a floaty for the swamp.
Twit.
godless heathen
September 22nd, 2009
9:06 am
Sorry, dB, I guess I misremembered. 52 or 53? BFD, point stands. Your wildly popular President got 2.92% of the vote more than the old guy who picked the dumb broad to run with him.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:06 am
Peadawg
Starting name calling?
How about false accusations?
Take some personal responsibility.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
9:07 am
“With such a disparity, you would think that Obama would have garnered more than 52% of the vote. This suggests that the Research 2000 poll is a bunch of crap.”
you’re confusing opinions about a party with opinions about a person. just because people have a more positive opinion of Democrats in general doesn’t mean they’ll automatically vote for Obama for president.
nice try, though.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
9:07 am
“That so many of us are that intractable after 8 years of total incompetence and miserable failure”
Sorry, I see it much more positively. To me, it reads like the GOP is very close to losing the South…just as they have lost the rest of the country.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:07 am
Peadawg
Now try the topic at hand, if you can.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:07 am
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
8:54 am
Well, I’ve got to admit, I was thinking maybe you should be looking for greener pastures myself. But I know you really love it here. It’s just some of the inhabitants that annoy you.
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:08 am
Dang someone’s panties are in a wad early this morning! LOL! This could be a fun day seeing your responses to my comments.
Bob from Dahlonega
September 22nd, 2009
9:10 am
I have a triple wide for sale up here. its in a nice Christian conservative trailer park no immigrants or liberals allowed.
anyone interested let me know. I have a four wheeler and some old confederate flags for sale also.
Road Scholar
September 22nd, 2009
9:10 am
I thought that the red in the graph was also the relative SAT scores in this country by region!
Peadawg; Why should Mrs G leave….I thought that ya’ll were going to secede and move to Texas?
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
9:11 am
I imagine there are more people here in the south who are not liking the south too much right about now. Of course, those that bought flood insurance and need it now can be rejoicing because, unlike other insurance, flood insurance is backed by the fed. So, when you need it, it will be there for you. They won’t dump you.
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:11 am
Ok topic at hand…..
IMO this pole indicates that the rest of country has gone to hell in a hand basket a loooong time ago. If we keep believing gibberish from the Democrats, the South may be gone soon….sadly.
Lord help this country please!!!
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:11 am
Peadawg
We can all see that yours are…..it reminds me of the joke about the two old guys on the beach and the potato…..
Joan
September 22nd, 2009
9:11 am
Republicans suffer from baggage, and lack of leadership. I am a conservative. I am not an anti-abortionist or a social demagogue. There are many of us who just want to try to keep some of our own hard earned dollars in our pocket to provide for our own old age. If people want to act like fools on game shows, or have same sex relations, well, so long as I am not paying for it, I don’t care. Where is the party for the conservative? And where is the rational spokeman? Mitt Romney was my pick, but the religious right killed his chances, and look what they got instead.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
9:11 am
Y’all remember this?
And I went up there, I said, ‘Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.’ And I started jumpin up and down yelling, ‘KILL, KILL,’ and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, ‘KILL, KILL.’ And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, ‘You’re our boy.’
——————-
Don’t know why it is, but everytime I think of politicians of any stripe
I start humming “Alice’s Restaurant”…Am I sick, doctor?
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:12 am
godless heathen
September 22nd, 2009
9:02 am
Democrats aren’t held in much higher esteem. That and some could never vote for an inexperienced, foreign-born Muslim.
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:12 am
“Peadawg; Why should Mrs G leave….I thought that ya’ll were going to secede and move to Texas?”
I never said or agreed with that. That’s actually a pretty retarded idea. Thanks for putting words in my mouth…try again.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:12 am
Taxpayer
Isn’t flood insurance MANDATED in some areas?
Joey
September 22nd, 2009
9:13 am
Abandon hope all yee who give credence to a Daily Kos poll.
Or:
Surprise! Daily Kos is not like the rest of the country.
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:13 am
“and lack of leadership”
Kind of like the community organizer we have in office that is in waaaaaay over his head.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:14 am
Link to the potato joke:
http://jokes.aspcode.net/15810/Two-guys-who-wanted-to-pick-up-women.aspx
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:15 am
“Isn’t flood insurance MANDATED in some areas?”
I think I remember my loan officer talking about this back in May when we bought our house…I think it is depending on what kind of loan you get.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:15 am
What part of the two polls say the same thing did some folks miss?
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:16 am
Peadawg
I think its related to location. Flood plain lines and such.
Couldn’t get a mortgage in certain areas of Jackson MS without it.
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:16 am
HAHAHAHA nice joke Godzilla. Hilarious!
Road Scholar
September 22nd, 2009
9:16 am
IR/YW: At least Jay shows up! Where has Kyle been? Also Kyle seems to be stuck in proposing “softballs” versus Jay’s multiple posts each day.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:17 am
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
9:07 am
Save your Dubya dollars boys, the South will rise again! Not as long as NASCAR and football are more important than academics.
Jimmy62
September 22nd, 2009
9:17 am
What do you bet most of the margin was in California and New York? Coincidentally our two most bankrupt states. Obviously the people living there really know what they are doing. Not that the south is much better.
Joey
September 22nd, 2009
9:17 am
Jay;
Thanks for the laugh. I was a little down from dealing with water seeping into the basement of my home and into the lower level of our office.
This gem of yours gave me the laugh that I needed.
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:17 am
Ya that makes sense…not much of a change for a flood out here in Athens.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
9:18 am
Your wildly popular President got 2.92% of the vote more than the old guy who picked the dumb broad to run with him.
heh. That’s one way to look at it, sure. Or you could say that my wildly popular President got 2.2% more of the vote than the Great Communicator did in 1980.
that said, I would like to hear just what it is about this poll’s sampling or the way its questions were worded, that would indicate that there’s something amiss, and not simply that it was sponsored by the Orange Satan (or, as you seem to be indicating, that it’s produced numbers you don’t care for).
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:19 am
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
9:11 am
No self-respecting conservative Southerner would accept any government subsidized insurance!
Brad Steel
September 22nd, 2009
9:20 am
With brilliant GOP debaters like South Carolina’s Joe Wilson, it is no surprise that southerners revere the GOP.
Well, it looks like the regional approval of republicans is highly correlated with low SAT scores, crappy high schools, and low college attendance rates.
cue douchebag: Delta is ready when you are, love it or leave it, or a quote for Amtrak prices, etc..
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:21 am
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:11 am
It ain’t that bad. It’s just awfully hard to govern. The GOP ain’t dead….yet.
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
9:21 am
Funny Jay, that an entire article is focused on how here in the south we are different than the rest of the country.
That point is fine, only one slight problem you merely gloss over the fact that the Northeast is the polar opposite of the south.
The numbers for the northeast were actually farther off from the rest of the country. Seems like actually only the west and midwest are alike.
Seems this poll is no different than what we already knew about people. This time it is broken down by geogaphy. But the fact remains that there are fringes on both sides. The dems. have the northeast, while the rep. have the south. Both are doing poorly in the west and mid west. Thus the west and midwset has presented itself as the center on this issue.
But nice attempt at linking southern, republican and the negative connotations associated with the south.
Just my take on the article presented today, and some of the facts that were unintentionally left out.
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
9:23 am
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:12 am
Taxpayer
Isn’t flood insurance MANDATED in some areas?
The government should mandate flood insurance for improved properties in flood plains but they do not. The mortgage companies require it.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:23 am
Joan
September 22nd, 2009
9:11 am
I agree with you about Romney and the cause of his failure. That would have been a very interesting race. We needed someone with his grasp of how our economy works, not that Obama and his advisors don’t.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:25 am
is thomas looking at the same graph we are?
Road Scholar
September 22nd, 2009
9:26 am
Mrs. G, you are right. If you live in a floodplain, you must have flood insurance to get a loan. Flood plains are defined by the USGS and are figured on different design storms (10,50,100,and 500 yr storms); locally, the time of concentration used also has a large effect.
Unfortunately, with all the development and paved areas added, and the lack of dependable detention facilities, the floodplain is now more suseptible to rain events like we’ve had in GA.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:26 am
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:13 am
Did you see my pre-primary analyses?
GEORGE AMERICAN
September 22nd, 2009
9:29 am
OK, LET’S DO THAT SUCESSION ROLE CALL AGAIN!!!
WE DO THINGS OUR WAY HERE IN THE SOUTH. IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT, SUCK IT, SOCIALISTS!!!
THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS A BUNCH OF ELITIST BIG-GOVERNMENT, WHINING, NYTIMES-READING, UNION LIBERALS!!! WE DON’T WANT’EM HERE IN GOD’S COUNTRY!!!
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:32 am
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
9:21 am
You’d better take another look at the graph.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:34 am
Road Scholar
September 22nd, 2009
9:26 am
…and drastically changing.
Finn McCool
September 22nd, 2009
9:34 am
HERE IN GOD’S COUNTRY!!!
Therein lies the problem, GEORGE!
Wingnutters are just EVIL, BATTY, RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORISTS!
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
9:35 am
OK, LET’S DO THAT SUCESSION ROLE CALL AGAIN!!!
Turd Ferguson
September 22nd, 2009
9:35 am
“Surprise! South isn’t like the rest of the country”
And that is supposed to be a bad thing?!
Peadawg
September 22nd, 2009
9:36 am
LOL Finn…now Republicans are terrorists?
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
9:38 am
Finn, you left out TALIBAPTIST!
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
9:39 am
EnJoey
September 22nd, 2009
9:17 am
Joey, we have more in common than I thought. I too, was vacuuming water at 4:30 this morning…
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
9:40 am
A little retro-spective on Georgia’s flood plains. If you build, it will change them, the flood plains, that is.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
9:40 am
Someone may have wrote this already, but it kind of looks like the other three regions are giving us the finger!
godless heathen
September 22nd, 2009
9:40 am
The Research 2000 poll as presented indicates an almost 6:1 unfavorable view of the Republican party in the populous areas of the country. That that only translates to a 2.92% margin of victory in the most recent national poll (the election) makes me suspicious of the Research 2000 poll.
And what this has to do with Reagan or Bush’s margin of victory is beyond me.
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
9:41 am
Mrs. Godzilla,
Yes I am looking at the same graph,
However I chose to not be lazy and looked at the actual poll. Through looking at the entire poll, and not just taking Jay’s word for it you will see I am correct about what I posted.
But I do understand that the information I presented does not go with the current of your political persuation. However I feel you will be too intellectually honest to argue that the NE is just as one sided as the south. Or is it ok to be one sided if they are right and think like you do?
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:41 am
Peadawg
read his post again….
it says
Wingnutters are just EVIL, BATTY, RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORISTS!
then you say
now Republicans are terrorists?
So not wanting to put words in your cake hole…..are you saying
republicans are EVIL, BATTY, RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORISTS?
I don’t think so….
getalife
September 22nd, 2009
9:43 am
Red cons.
This is funny:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/21/barney-frank-on-leno-call_n_294233.html
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:43 am
again thomas you reading the same graph we are?
GEORGE AMERICAN
September 22nd, 2009
9:43 am
WELL MR. MCCOOL, YOU SEEM TO BE VERY ACCOMPLISHED NAME CALLER AND HATER OF ALL THINGS CONSERVATIVE.
WHY DON’T YOU MOVE BACK TO IRELAND, MR. BOOZEY MCLIVER-DAMAGE!!!
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
9:43 am
TNgelding and you may want to look at the entire poll and all of the questions.
Jay did an excellent job of tricking many of you simply by him knowing you would not go look at all of the questions of the poll.
You are correct though on the graphic jay decided to use for the piece does show the south being different. But hey the link is there if you actually care.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
9:48 am
Well, all of these polls and graphs are just so much window dressing.
I personally think that we tear this political system up and start anew. You become a President, Get a seat in Congress via Mega Bucks…
You get all six, you’re the Prez, 5 out of 6, you’re a Senator, 4 out of 6, you’re in the House. State election can use Fantasy Five…
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
9:48 am
Mrs. G, from all I have read on this blog site Repubs and wingnutters are one in the same. ??????
jconservative
September 22nd, 2009
9:48 am
This & other polls indicate the size of the Republican tent. This is still a problem for Republicans. McCain had a fairly large tent but the tent has gotten smaller since the election. (One caveat, this poll is a poll of the public, not voters.) The Republicans have a problem.
The Republican base is 28 electoral votes; states McCain carried by at least 60% of the vote. The Democratic base is 146 electoral votes; states Obama carried by at least 60% of the vote. The Republicans need to create 241 electoral votes to win in 2012. The Democrats need to create 123 electoral votes to keep the WH in 2012.
Where are the Republicans going to get the needed 241 electoral votes?
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
9:49 am
Mrs. Godzilla,
Here are some numbers for you, 82% really that seems in order with the rest of the nation………..
DEMOCRATIC PARTY
FAV UNFAV NO OPINION
ALL 41 50 9
MEN 35 56 9
WOMEN 47 44 9
DEM 71 22 7
REP 4 93 3
IND 38 53 9
OTH/REF 37 54 9
NON VOTERS 40 40 20
WHITE 32 61 7
BLACK 74 15 11
LATINO 52 31 17
OTHER/REF 52 30 18
18-29 56 35 9
30-44 27 61 12
45-59 48 46 6
60+ 38 53 9
NORTHEAST 62 26 12
SOUTH 20 70 10
MIDWEST 46 47 7
WEST 44 48 8
Generic Congressional Ballot
QUESTION: Would you like to see more Democrats or Republicans elected to Congress in 2010?
DEMOCRATS REPUBLICANS NOT SURE
ALL 34 28 38
MEN 27 34 39
WOMEN 41 22 37
DEM 75 5 20
REP 4 84 12
IND 20 17 63
OTH/REF 16 26 58
NON VOTERS 24 16 60
WHITE 25 34 41
BLACK 64 5 31
LATINO 48 22 30
OTHER/REF 50 16 34
18-29 50 7 43
30-44 25 40 35
45-59 37 24 39
60+ 30 34 36
NORTHEAST 49 9 42
SOUTH 21 45 34
MIDWEST 36 25 39
WEST 35 27 38
NANCY PELOSI
FAV UNFAV NO OPINION
ALL 34 58 8
MEN 20 71 9
WOMEN 48 45 7
DEM 73 18 9
REP 4 94 2
IND 22 72 6
OTH/REF 19 74 7
NON VOTERS 25 58 17
WHITE 32 66 2
BLACK 47 26 27
LATINO 30 50 20
OTHER/REF 32 47 21
18-29 43 49 8
30-44 23 62 15
45-59 41 57 2
60+ 33 61 6
NORTHEAST 50 40 10
SOUTH 19 77 4
MIDWEST 37 54 9
WEST 35 54 11
BARACK OBAMA
FAV UNFAV NO OPINION
ALL 55 38 7
MEN 48 46 6
WOMEN 62 30 8
DEM 85 7 8
REP 4 93 3
IND 58 35 7
OTH/REF 53 39 8
NON VOTERS 62 30 8
WHITE 46 47 7
BLACK 88 4 8
LATINO 67 28 5
OTHER/REF 66 27 7
18-29 79 16 5
30-44 43 48 9
45-59 63 30 7
60+ 41 53 6
NORTHEAST 82 10 8
SOUTH 27 67 6
MIDWEST 62 31 7
WEST 59 34 7
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
9:53 am
thomas, I so admire your persistance and the erudite methods you use to get your point across. please continue.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
9:54 am
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
9:43 am
Thanks, I’ll do that. Are you saying Jay misrepresented the poll?
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
10:00 am
Scooter,
No, Republicans and wingnuts are not one in the same; at least not in the World According to Bosch.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:03 am
** weekly nationwide Research 2000 poll**
What a friggin fascist coward. Bookman shows yet again he has no brain and no spine.
Posts a poll from the Daily Koss and tries to pass it off as a reliable poll.
And the sad thing is that the dolts here never took the time to look at where the poll originated.
It’s a good thing that Democrats are so dumb. Bookman would be bagging groceries if they weren’t.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
10:03 am
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
9:43 am
Well, the graph looks accuate to me. The South is the one section that stands out. The NE is much closer to the MW and West. Maybe I’m missing your point.
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
10:03 am
Your wildly popular President got 2.92% of the vote more than the old guy who picked the dumb broad to run with.
IS THERE A MATHEMATICIAN IN THE HOUSE?
Election totals.
Total number of votes cast–131,032,799
Votes cast for Obama–69,297,007………………………52.9%
Votes cast for McCain–59,597,520………………………46.2%
52.9% — 46.2% = 7.5%
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
10:04 am
I’m a little surprised that only 26% percent of Southerners are favorable of The Boehner.
and gh @ 9.40, points taken. I’ll just say this–
A snapshot of a poll like this is only useful if it’s tracked over time. It could be that national mood swings over party brand are more volatile than you or I imagine. Obviously a lot of people who voted for McCain or Obama didn’t do so just because they thought the Rs or the Ds were the cat’s pajamas; they vote for the person.
That said, I think a lot of people tend to forget that the Rs haven’t managed to win a plurality of popular votes in a Presidential election but once since 1992. I think they’ve had some skilled strategists working wedge issues to eke out their ongoing viability and who knows, maybe they can go on being a viable opposition party going forward by continuing to do that.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
10:06 am
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:03 am
Excuse me, but I think he pointed that out.
“The poll was done for the liberal DailyKos site, which will no doubt taint it in the eyes of some. But the national numbers it produces track closely with other polls, suggesting that it is not an outlier”
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
10:06 am
Normal at 9:48,
If you spent a buck on the lottery and your prize was a Congressional seat, tell me again what you won.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
10:06 am
Noting is free
please reread this from Jay’s post
“while the average of major polls at Pollster.com puts it at 53.6 percent.”
yes, Nothing is free…..education costs.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
10:07 am
IS THERE A MATHEMATICIAN IN THE HOUSE?
What can I say–he was on a roll. He had me at “Old guy who picked the dumb broad…”
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
10:08 am
thomas,Mrs. G is a diehard believer in her ideology and nothing will sway her from that. so don’t waste your breath.( no offense intended Mrs.G)I would still love to come to your house for breakfast!
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
10:09 am
thomas,
could you provide some graphs to go with those numbers. Pictures are easier to understand than all those columns of numbers.
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
10:09 am
Mrs. G. @ 9:06 – Take some personal responsibility.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Don’t you remember? “Personal Responsibility” applies to Everyone Else, not Good Godly Republican’t’s like Larry Craig, Mark Sanford, lather, rinse, repeat.
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
10:09 am
Oops.
McCain 45.5%
52.9% – 46.2% = 6.7%
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
10:12 am
I just saw sunlight.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
10:13 am
Scooter
Myself, I’m proud of being the latest in over 250 years of liberal American women in my family!
After a artery chokin’ vacation…..it’s granola and yougurt for a couple of weeks. But I got stash of some Amish applewood smoked bacon
hidden in the fridge from a little old butcher in PA. Yum.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
10:15 am
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
10:06 am
Normal at 9:48,
If you spent a buck on the lottery and your prize was a Congressional seat, tell me again what you won.
FREE HEALTHCARE!!!
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
10:15 am
OK Bosch,in the World According To Bosch what is the diff between wingnuts and Repubs? ?????
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:15 am
Just the very fact that he reads the Daily Koss shows he has no reasoning skills. And if other polls show similar results, why did he post this one? The Koss only has credibility to idiots.
that’s the problem with liberals, they are indeed the dweebs that attend liberal arts schools so “they can learn to talk reeeeal purty”.
It was so true after every Obama speech. He promises pie in the sky BS and the Republicans need to come on and explain why the math won’t work.
You guys keep worshipping “purty words” the rest of us will continue to face the reality of this nightmare this idiot in chief is creating.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
10:16 am
“I just saw sunlight”
It’s just a figment of your imagination!
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
10:16 am
FIRST on page 2!
godless heathen
September 22nd, 2009
10:17 am
Scuse me Kam, should have said 2.9% more than the rest. This is percentage and not absolute numbers. So if you take the 2.9% from the 52.9% you must add it to the other side.
52% is technically two more percent than 48%, not 4 percent more. Or to put it more simply, say there 100 votes and 52 were cast for Obama. Only 2 need to change their votes to make it a tie. 2/100 = 2%
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
10:17 am
Notwithstanding that Dixie has countless fine people and a charm that is often wonderful, she is noentheless also synonomous with unrivaled racial brutality and blind, often Christian-based hatred. And that the worst of these characteristics have risen to the fore in many of their leaders is why I refer to the Democrats turned Republicans as The Old White Guy Party of Dixie.
The inherent distrust of secular education by a staggering amount of the populace here is the KEY to their “ideology” and their many hyper-entrenched and localized failures. They deem it too “liberal” and loathe it as non-Biblical. They neither value it nor promote it. And then blame the evil liberal teachers that Johnny and Susie are functionally illiterate when they “graduate” from high school. But the worst part is that these children, like their parents, have almost zero intellectual curiosity.
And in terms of mathematics and the sciences, these HS grads function at about a seventh grade level. Many of the greatest problems facing us as a people will require open, not closed minds. Will require a determined effort to discover the truth, not a blind adherence to some outdated and repudiated mythology and superstition.
And this unending quest for discovery and knowledge has very sadly become almost exclusively the domain of non-conservatives. And for the conned, there is the rub.
Yet, in light of all of this, the reactionary foot dragging, the endless denying and the flat-earth policies still remain steadfast and “true” in Dixie. War is always good, corporations are your friend and our government of the people, by the people and for the people is your enemy.
For gawds sakes, look at our previous West Wing occupier! Stultifyingly stupid by presidential standards. Imperious and deadly. Clearly in WAY, WAY over his head. “Advised” by little weasels and rats like Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al. And the conned thought it was all fun and games. And here in the Deep South they thought he was the new Ronnie on a White Horse as evidenced by their reverence for him at the polls.
Until the fake conservatives made blunder after blunder and blunder and then got destroyed in the next two elections. Then the laughing stopped.
So, until this changes and the imploding GOP finds a way to reinvent itself and attract reasoned and reasonable Americans to it’s core beliefs, they are gonna see many more dark days ahead. And even if they do pull themselves up off of the floor in 2010 their long term future looks horrific…
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
10:19 am
Nothing is Free
READ CAREFULLY
in the 5th paragraph of Jay’s post there is a BLUE word.
The blue word says pollster.
point your mouse at the blue word.
click
Yes You Can!
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
10:21 am
“And if other polls show similar results, why did he post this one? The Koss only has credibility to idiots. ”
wow. I mean … just … wow … talk about hearing the point go “whoooooshing” by … (I wonder if his hair flapped in the breeze)
the point was that the poll commissioned by Kos (not performed by Kos, just commissioned) wasn’t an outlier, that, even though it’s by the right’s favorite Great Satan, it’s still a valid poll.
thanks for the chuckle, though …
Brad Steel
September 22nd, 2009
10:22 am
thomas,
please post another numbers jumble. i loved it!
your whacky posting made a very clear point that numbers jumbles are fun, fun, fun!
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
10:22 am
If you spent a buck on the lottery and your prize was a Congressional seat, tell me again what you won.
FREE HEALTHCARE!!!
Good answer Normal! I’m with you
Finn McCool
September 22nd, 2009
10:22 am
Peadawg wrote: now Republicans are terrorists?
Yeah, they blow up federal buildings and shoot abortion doctors. That’s terrorism.
We have less to fear from foreign islamic terrorists than we do from these wingnut terrorists! They lose elections and then they wig out and start blowing stuff up.
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
10:23 am
Protect Insurance Companies: Will Ferrell, Jon Hamm Speak Out Against The Public Option. Well, I find it hard to argue with them. They really present a compelling argument.
joe matarotz
September 22nd, 2009
10:24 am
Evidently, the level of education is inversely proportional to the willingness to accept Boortz, Beck, Limburgher et al. as serious journalists.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:25 am
AMvet
**I refer to the Democrats turned Republicans as The Old White Guy Party of Dixie.**
Can you name a single segregationist from the 50 or 60s that became a Republican other than Strom Thurman? You should be ashamed of yourself for publicly lying like that.
And please. Hold down the regional bigotry as much as your liberal background will let you. The longest and bloodiest race riots in the country were in South Boston: yet another liberal democratic stronghold.
I loved your description of the Bush White House while this idiot continues to talk really purty while the country continues to slide into depression. I wouldn’t expect you to be any smarter.
But liberals need to hate somebody. It makes your hysterical politics appear to make sense. So please. Continue to point out why others are beneath you. I’m sure it makes you feel better.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
10:25 am
mathless heathen –
“52% is technically two more percent than 48%, not 4 percent more. Or to put it more simply, say there 100 votes and 52 were cast for Obama. Only 2 need to change their votes to make it a tie. 2/100 = 2%”
dearest. please. use google archives and read any/all analysis of polls leading up to the election, including the election, itself. you’ll see that someone is ahead by a margin of X%. that X /= what it takes to get to 50%. X = Candidate A%-Candidate B% … in other words, if Obama won 52.9% of the voters and McCain won 46.5%, then Obama won by a margin of 6.4%.
oy.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
10:25 am
Mrs. G, I can do brunch too. I love smoked bacon! Sorry everyone, I will try to stay on topic now!
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:27 am
USinUK
** it’s still a valid poll.**
Your standards of validity compares with your standards for choosing leaders.
Nuff said.
DannyX
September 22nd, 2009
10:27 am
I see a lot posts claiming Democrats have lost it, are failing miserably, and Americans have lost confidence in them.
Surely the polls like the one Jay produced should show a big increase in Republican popularity. The fact is most polls show that Republicans haven’t gained much if any. The crazy factor has the Republicans looking like a bunch of loonies out of touch with reality.
If the Dems are as unpopular as Republicans pretend, why do Americans still favor Dems over Republicans in Congress? Nancy Pelosi the most hated person in America? How bad is it for Republicans then? Republicans in Congress got a 27% approval rating and 70% disapproval, almost 10 points lower than the Democrats. (Gallup, last week)
Apparently the side show of screamers, birthers, racists, amnesia, the tantrums, Fox News phony journalism and lies the Republicans put on after the election isn’t what the American people want at all.
…..Republicans have the ball first and goal at the 8 yard line……..FUMBLE! The Dems may have recovered….
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
10:29 am
“Liberals need to hate something”…….there’s your sign!
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
10:30 am
“52% is technically two more percent than 48%, not 4 percent more. Or to put it more simply, say there 100 votes and 52 were cast for Obama. Only 2 need to change their votes to make it a tie. 2/100 = 2%”
That’s also why folks that choose to sit out the election have such a big impact. And, that does not even include the benefit of voting third party. You Republicans are just so good with cyphering.
david wayne osedach
September 22nd, 2009
10:31 am
Won’t it be something when it turns out the south was right!
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:31 am
Ask David Paterson about the popularity of the dims.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
10:31 am
shorter Nothing is Free –
“lalalalalalalalalala” (with fingers firmly in ears)
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
10:32 am
“Won’t it be something when it turns out the south was right!”
The South is already “right” – but it’s getting less and less right as time goes by.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:32 am
Mrs. Godzilla
Big secret to ya. Everybody already knows it.
Archie
September 22nd, 2009
10:33 am
I must say I like the headline but I am amazed that the South has not advanced much beyond 1863 when it comes to certain things…
godless heathen
September 22nd, 2009
10:33 am
“any/all analysis of polls leading up to the election, including the election, itself.”
A common error. 52% is 2% more than 48% because it only takes a 2% change to make it even.
None of this smoke belies the point that the Daily Kos poll was not supported by the recent election. I know you libs want to believe the Obama was elected by everyone in the country except for a few ignorant southerners and racists, but the numbers don’t support this. And his difficulty in getting his health care agenda through congress is a reflection of this.
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
10:33 am
godless heathen,
pray that no one else gets your math teacher.
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
10:35 am
david wayne osedach
September 22nd, 2009
10:31 am
Won’t it be something when it turns out the south was right!
If you believe in miracles.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:35 am
USibUK
Oh, I can hear it. Along with promises of Hope and Change and how spending will keep the unemployment from going over 8%. I HEAR a lot.
So when you are ready to accept a poll commissioned by Rush Limbaugh, I’ll accept the results offered by the Daily Koss? Will that work for you?
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
10:37 am
mathless –
“A common error. 52% is 2% more than 48% because it only takes a 2% change to make it even.”
seriously. no. that’s a 4% margin.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
10:37 am
You know the Dems and Repubs should have a football game to see who runs Congress. I can see it now…
The game would go something like this, for 3 1/2 quarters it would be fumbles, picks, three and outs, and punts. But then, the Dems score! The crowd goes wild!!. The Repubs, knowing they have no chance, leave the field in disgust…10 plays later, the Dems score again…
Oh yes, our leaders at work…
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:42 am
Normal
The dims and Pubs having a football games? LOL!!
The dims have the ball.
The skinny little quaterback takes the ball and steps back, he starts his speech. My Fellow players, is it so important that you knock me down . . . just as he is driven into the ground.
The dims huddle up. Use the nuclear option to pass a new law that says that the Republicans must play with both hands tied and blindfolded. Rohm Emanuel now goes in, but insists on carrying a baseball bat and a handgun. Yep, another day in Washington.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
10:42 am
Nothing is Free
But, but, but, you asked why he didn’t post one and you could not seem to find it all by yourself.
forgive me for trying to help you…..
so much for my “help the right wing find the data” badge!
jconservative
September 22nd, 2009
10:42 am
It is Electoral Votes that matter. 269 electoral votes needed to be president.
The Republican ticket only received 28 electoral votes from states carried by 60% or more. That is a real problem going forward.
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
10:43 am
Normal at 10:37,
I can see that happening too. This is getting too twilight zone-ish.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
10:43 am
NiF –
“So when you are ready to accept a poll commissioned by Rush Limbaugh, I’ll accept the results offered by the Daily Koss? Will that work for you?”
if a Limbaugh poll is reiterated by other national polls, then, I would have no problem with it.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
10:44 am
Normal, you are on a roll this morning!
FinnMcCool
September 22nd, 2009
10:44 am
Will Ferrell, Jon Hamm, etc on the Public Option:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/protect-insurance-compani_n_294406.html
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
10:46 am
Nothing is free, here is Research 2000’s website. They are the people who actually did the polling and compiled the numbers. Kindly inform us what it is about them that you find so incredibly loathsome that you need to insult anyone who gives credence to their findings?
And god-free heathen, who on earth is saying anything like “Obama was elected by everyone in the country except for a few ignorant southerners and racists”? Where are you getting this?
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:46 am
USinUK
Other national polls? LOL!!!
So where are the polls that say what the Koss poll says? Remember, they need to be reputable and current.
Midori
September 22nd, 2009
10:46 am
I want to dedicate this to Nothing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ5-BTdcqjk
mike
September 22nd, 2009
10:47 am
If you look at the poll, you will also see that the Northeast polls pretty differently than the Midwest and West too. All this poll shows is that the South has the highest percentages of conservatives, the Northeast has the highest percentage of liberals and the West and Midwest are more middle of the road. If a non-partisan organization did the poll, it probably would have shown much less difference between the South and Northeast’s deviation from the norm.
If Jay was interested in casting light instead of heat, he would have titled this piece “Surprise! South and Northeast are most partisan!”. Instead he wants to add this as further “evidence” of how wrongheaded the South is. I wonder if he also thinks the Northeast is wrong for deviating from the norm? I doubt it. I am sure that on this matter, like all others, Jay has different standards for folks based on whether or not they share his political views.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
10:47 am
“So when you are ready to accept a poll commissioned by Rush Limbaugh”
HECK! I’d just like to SEE a poll commissioned by Limbaugh. No matter what it says. Make a nice change from the stats he just makes up, don’t you think?
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 22nd, 2009
10:48 am
The North Koreans said no to repeated attempts at talks, by test-launching long-range missiles in April; Russia and China keep on saying no to tougher sanctions on Iran; the Iranians keep saying no to offers of talks by saying they’re willing to talk about everything except a halt to uranium enrichment; Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas is saying no by refusing to meet with Binyamin Netanyahu until Israel freezes all settlement construction; the Israelis said no by refusing to agree to a settlement freeze, or even a settlement moratorium until and unless the Arabs ante up their normalization gestures. Which brings us back to the original Saudi no.
The only thing Obama did manage to get Bibi and Abbas to say yes to is a photo-op at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in NY.
They know a clown when they see one.
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
10:48 am
Nothing, against my inclinations to suffer a fool, I’ll go ahead and feed you this one time. Then you’ll have to go leg-humping elsewhere.
What I hate is when our elected con leaders wipe their fat a-sses with the US Constitution. What I hate is when the conned coddled and aided Wall Street criminals and let them walk off with $3,000,000,000,000.00 of we the people’s money. What I hate is that the gangster capitalists are NOT even held accountable to the rule of law while you laughed. What I hate is when the neo-con chickenhawks get nearly 5,000 great young Americans needlessly killed to save daddy’s reputation. What I hate is that morons like you cheered them on.
And you were outraged by NONE of it. Then or now. Were you?
It is you bigots and xenophobes turned Republican that I referenced.
“I loved your description of the Bush White House…”
No you didn’t, prevaricator.
It is simply that YOU have NOTHING (get it?) to refute it. Do you?
Otherwise, countermand my claims and inundate us with BushCo’s stunning successes!
But even in your self-created myopic dementia you know what I wrote is all true. DON’T YOU? But like the rest of your craven Republiconned friends YOU clearly lack the nads to admit the unmitigated failures and the despicable quasi-criminals that you cheered on. And voted for.
Twice.
But by all means, keep up the Obama red herrings! (Who BTW is another fraud in my book) It makes you look like the obfuscating, short term memory challenged, newly outraged, hyper-partisan, poorly written loser/Republican you are…
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
10:48 am
>>FREE HEALTHCARE!!!
>Good answer Normal! I’m with you
You guys do realize that congressmen don’t actually get free healthcare, right?
(while they’re in DC, they do get cared for by local docs on our dime, but they still have to purchase insurance for when they’re on the road, and for their own families.)
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
10:49 am
HECK! I’d just like to SEE a poll commissioned by Limbaugh.
I hear he commissioned a pole or two in the Dominican.
Dave R.
September 22nd, 2009
10:50 am
Sorta off topic, but maybe not. Hope & Change at the U.N. speaking about global warming:
“The journey is hard. And we don’t have much time left to make it,”
Maybe he knows his chances of a Democrat majority to pass phony global warming legislation (global warming being phony – the legislation being true) is going down the tubes in 2010 as well?
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
10:51 am
If you look at the poll, you will also see that the Northeast polls pretty differently than the Midwest and West too.
Ok, mike, here’s some math.
7 Guzinta 14 how many times? Good!
Now, 14 Guzinta 50 how many times? Very good!
godless heathen
September 22nd, 2009
10:52 am
Seriously. What is the percentage difference between 52% and 48%. It’s 2%. Only 2 out of a 100 have to change. Too simple for the liberal mind?
“And god-free heathen, who on earth is saying anything like “Obama was elected by everyone in the country except for a few ignorant southerners and racists”? Where are you getting this?”
It’s the lib talking point of the month that only racists oppose Obama’s plans.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
10:52 am
FinnMcCool
September 22nd, 2009
10:44 am
Finn,get up to speed dude!Taxpayer just posted that link.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
10:53 am
i hated guzinta’s……the nuns made me do it though
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:53 am
Sorry, I’m not going to be moderated by an ignorant fascist.
Good luck to all you libs in 2010.
And Jay, come and see me about a job when this liberal rag goes under. It’s not like you could get a job anywhere else. I have a broom with your name on it.
Shawny
September 22nd, 2009
10:54 am
Just tells you that outside the south, people are distrusting. Southerners are friendlier by nature, but also are too gullible. I’ll bet that a poll of the dems would be similar.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
10:55 am
Reading King Tool’s daily Rant was as usual un-inspiring and self absorbed,refreshing. One way thinking is great unless you aspire to be fair & open minded. Don’t go changin,you might hurt yourself.
DannyX
September 22nd, 2009
10:56 am
Actually that football game would be a massacre. The Dems would be dominate on offense and defense. Final score Democrats 72 Republicans 0.
Of course the next day the Republican blogs would be afire with how the Republicans crushed the Democrats. “We totally dominated them!” “The game was much closer than the score.” “Next time will be different.” “Sure the score was 72-0, but that’s really only a 10 touchdown advantage.” “We’re so much better than them.” “We played an error free game.” We’re truly the best 0-9 team, we just didn’t show it.”
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
10:57 am
mathless …
from today’s news … an example:
“A new ICM poll for the Guardian is out tonight, and it’s not going to make pleasant bed-time reading for the Prime Minister. The Tories are on 43% (up 2 points), Labour is on 26% (up 1 point) and the Lib Dems are unchanged on 19%. It’s the second highest Tory lead since ICM started polling with the Guardian in 1984.”
what’s the headline? ICM Poll: Tory Lead Hits 17 Points
http://blogs.wsj.com/iainmartin/2009/09/21/icm-poll-tory-lead-hits-17-points/
so, yes, the margin between 52% and 48% is 4%, not 2%, no matter how much you really-really-really want it to be otherwise.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
10:58 am
DannyX – now, that’s funny.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:59 am
DannyX
Obama throws like a girl. The rest of the team has no backbone and pretty speeches do no good when you are being rushed.
The dims wouldn’t even show up.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
10:59 am
“only racists oppose Obama’s plans.”….there’s your sign!
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
11:03 am
“Obama throws like a girl”
oh yea????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j87k1j4CpOw
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
11:03 am
All this number stuff is confusing to me but I’ll place my bet on USinUK
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
11:05 am
DB, don’t be so serious! Me and Normal are just funnin
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
11:10 am
“I’m not going to be moderated by an ignorant fascist”
There’s your sign!!!
Scooter,
To answer your question about Republican vs. Wingnut – I’ll give you an example:
Colin Powell – Republican
Nothing is Free – Wingnut
DannyX
September 22nd, 2009
11:13 am
Sorry Nothing is Free, Republicans need a new coach. “Win one for the Gipper?”
It’s really time to move on. Forget about that man and that myth and join the real world.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
11:14 am
It’s the lib talking point of the month that only racists oppose Obama’s plans.
You really believe that? Come on.
Here is what the Craziest Most Radical Ex-President Ever actually said that got everyone in a tizzy:
“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African-American”
He then went on to expand this thought and say, a few days later:
“When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy, those kinds of things are beyond the bounds” [...]
“I think people who are guilty of that kind of personal attack against Obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be African American.
“It’s a racist attitude, and my hope is and my expectation is that in the future both Democratic leaders and Republican leaders will take the initiative in condemning that kind of unprecedented attack on the president of the United States,
Radical fringe. Intensely demonstrated animosity.
Obviously, that is not “everybody who opposes Obama.” Had he said anything nearly that stupid I’d be among the first to call him out for it.
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
11:16 am
Seriously. What is the percentage difference between 52% and 48%. It’s 2%. Only 2 out of a 100 have to change. Too simple for the liberal mind?
Seriously, dude, or dudette. If I choose not to vote for A then that does not automatically ensure that I choose to vote for B. I could vote for C, for example. So, say that 2% change their minds and do not cast their vote for Obama and vote for Ron Paul instead. Then Obama’s percentage of the vote drops to 50% but McCains vote does not increase by that 2%.
godless heathen
September 22nd, 2009
11:16 am
“so, yes, the margin between 52% and 48% is 4%, not 2%, no matter how much you really-really-really want it to be otherwise.”
But as I have proven to you again and again, this is a common error. Only 2% need to change to make it even. It’s not like I have 6 apples and Suzie has 4, how many more apples do I have than Suzie? Of course that answer is 2. But if you ask the question, how many apples do I have to give to Suzie so that we have an equal number, the answer is 1. So when polls typically incorrectly say that there is a 5% difference between 2 possible choices, what they really mean is that there is a 2.5% difference, because that’s the percentage that will need to change to make it even.
So simple even a caveman could see it.
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
11:17 am
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
10:27 am
And who would you have preferred? He was the best of what we had to choose from.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
11:17 am
sfd,
Thanks for posting that, but it won’t do any good. Misquoting people and fake poutrages are key for the wingnut survival. I’d be the first to call him on that as well, and we all know here who my hero is.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
11:18 am
Colin Powell – Republican
Nothing is Free – Wingnut
Good example Bosch! But is Powell really Repub sinse he endorsed Obama for Prez or was it because they are both black? ????
TnGelding
September 22nd, 2009
11:20 am
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
11:03 am
Bottom! He can shoot that rock, but can he play D? And let’s see him throw.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
11:21 am
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 22nd, 2009
10:48 am
WOW Whiner…it sounds like there is more than one “Just Say No” Party out there, huh?
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
11:22 am
Scooter,
Yes – even though the Evil One said different – he hasn’t officially changed parties. But then again, Powell and I aren’t buds or anything, so he hasn’t told me that directly.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
11:23 am
mathless –
“But if you ask the question, how many apples do I have to give to Suzie so that we have an equal number, the answer is 1 … what they really mean is that there is a 2.5% difference, because that’s the percentage that will need to change to make it even.”
what will make it even isn’t the issue — hell, it doesn’t even matter. the winning margin is what matters. you go to a football game, and the final score is 14-10, the margin isn’t 2, it’s 4. you win an election with 60% of the votes, you didn’t win by 10%, you won by 20%.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
11:23 am
Oh, and Scooter,
I know lots of Republicans who voted for Obama this last go round.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
11:25 am
Bosch and Scooter –
11:23
so do I.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
11:28 am
me too!
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
11:29 am
You guys do realize that congressmen don’t actually get free healthcare, right?
They will when I get there…Gawd, I’m being corrupted already…
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
11:30 am
Bosch –
in fact, I’ll go so far as to say that one of the more dyed-in-the-wool republicans I know not only voted for Obama, but has since registered as a Dem out of disgust for the religious wack-jobs running the GOP.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
11:31 am
Normal –
“Gawd, I’m being corrupted already…”
you’re not cheap … just inexpensive.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 22nd, 2009
11:31 am
Well, I’m going to try some of that new math like the one that says the diffrence between 52% and 48% is just 2 points. When we went down to the Country Spot for lunch after they closed the course on us Saturday, I didn’t have enough money with me so Joe Bill paid 4 bucks of my 12 buck meal and I promised to pay him back. This Saturday I’m going to offer him 2 bucks and say that’s all the real diffrence was between what I had and what I owed. I can’t wait till I start explaining how I come up with that figure and watch his eyes glaze over.
Have a good lunch everybody.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
11:35 am
Bosch & SFD- Not to beat a dead horse,I just and re-listened to Jimmy’s interview on msnbc.com. I think it’s pretty clear that HE did state he thought those who opose Obama views,policy’s,etc,was based on him being a black man. He also stated racism was still very prevelant,so if you add those two statements how could conclude otherwise. I think the AJC also ran a story with the same conclusions,I may be wrong on that.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
11:35 am
you go to a football game, and the final score is 14-10, the margin isn’t 2, it’s 4.
if you want some real fun, let a FairTax enthusiast insist that it wouldn’t be a 30 cent per dollar tax on goods and services, even though everyone in America thinks of sales taxes as being the amount you pay above and beyond the untaxed purchase price.
They can be quite entertaining.
Having said that, in gh’s partial defense, I’ll admit to falling prey to the siren song of “X votes swinging this way means Y happens instead” in 2004, when it was down to around 60 thousand or so for Bush instead of for Kerry in OH.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
11:36 am
Bosch … speaking of food … I made my first chutney over the weekend (it’s okay – I have some ideas for v.2.0) … so, tonight, it’s going to be chicken breast with homemade plum chutney and mozzerella, wrapped in proscuitto, served with steamed spinach and … a veg to be named later.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
11:38 am
dB –
“Having said that, in gh’s partial defense … ”
oh, I understand what he’s saying … but a winning margin is a winning margin, it’s not a “what it would take to make it a tie” margin …
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
11:38 am
a veg to be named later.
My Little League nickname.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
11:42 am
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
11:31 am
Normal –
“Gawd, I’m being corrupted already…”
you’re not cheap … just inexpensive.
My slogan in Congress…20% off one day only. Name your Bill, I’ll name my price!
godless heathen
September 22nd, 2009
11:42 am
I stated – between 2 choices. Obama vs others. And percent of the vote. The number that don’t vote is irrelevant. Score of a football game is irrelevant. Cost of lunch is irrelevant. We are talking about percentages that must total 100. Can’t take from one without giving to the other side.
The difference between 52% and 48% is 2%. All day long.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
11:43 am
USinUK,
Dang! I’ll get on the first plane to London. Be there in a few hours.
That sounds tasty. I made chutney once, I didn’t mean to….it was just how whatever I made turned into.
Hef,
He said “When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others ” – that does not – no where even close equate to “all those who oppose Obama in any shape form or fashion is a racist.” Sorry, but it’s exagerrating what the man said and twisting it into a fake poutrage.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
11:43 am
I know this is a dumb question y’ll but how does someone register to be
Dem,Rep or Ind? Way back when I registered I don’t remember being asked that question. ?????
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
11:45 am
You guys do realize that congressmen don’t actually get free healthcare, right?
Right, some people also claim that they work for their taxpayer money (saying no is hard work) or that the insurance companies really pay for their coverage in exchange for their vote, etc. I read somewhere that the representatives get their health insurance subsidized (to the tune of about 70%) by those that they work for. If that’s true, then I guess the taxpayer does not subsidize their coverage. They also get ‘group’ coverage so they cannot be denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions or dropped if they try to file a claim. On top of that, they can just vote themselves a raise to cover increases in premium costs. Cool stuff, huh.
mike
September 22nd, 2009
11:46 am
stands for decibels –
I was talking about the whole poll, not the cherry picked segment chosen by Bookman, which of course you focused on solely like an unthinking sheep.
Take a look at the right track/wrong track numbers or the approval of Democrat numbers.
I also noted that I believed the poll to be skewed as it came from the hyper-partisan Daily Kos. As a result, I am not doing the simple division that you are.
Hmm. Can’t read and can’t think for yourself. Typical mindless partisan. Keep on bleating!
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
11:48 am
SCOOTER: In Georgia, they don’t require it. they just assmume you are a wingnut
mike
September 22nd, 2009
11:49 am
Redneck Convert –
Thanks for your regular does of bigoted stereotyping. You are a fine example of that liberal “tolerance” we keep hearing about.
Do you do black face too? I mean since you are such a fan of ignorant and hateful stereotypes and all.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
11:49 am
“Thanks for your regular does of bigoted stereotyping.”
Thanks for your regular dose of mischaractering RC’s schtick.
mike
September 22nd, 2009
11:50 am
Normal –
Are you going to do like you say and refrain from name calling? I’d say that you were being a hypocrite, but then you would scold me.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
11:51 am
mathless –
“The difference between 52% and 48% is 2%. All day long.”
mmmhmmm … you just keep telling yourself that everytime you read headlines like: http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2263
… just keep saying “everyone else is wrong! so very wrong! I am right! the cheese stands alone!!!”
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
11:51 am
Mike does seem to be a bit of a sour tart today, huh? Mike, chill. Debate the message and quit trying to kill the messagers…
mike
September 22nd, 2009
11:51 am
Doggone –
“Thanks for your regular dose of mischaractering RC’s schtick:
Whatever. It is bigoted stereotyping and you know it. You just aren’t offended because you share the same bigoted stereotypes.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
11:52 am
I think it’s pretty clear that HE did state he thought those who opose Obama views,policy’s,etc,was based on him being a black man. He also stated racism was still very prevelant,so if you add those two statements how could conclude otherwise.
For starters, I don’t think it’s a dead horse, we can talk about this.
I think that Carter gets a bit of a kick out of being a news item now and then; he chose his words very carefully and he surely knew that as a former President and life long Southerner, his comments on racial animosity toward Obama were going to be noticed.
But were they really that unreasonable? As someone who naturally feels a bit defensive of the President when he’s attacked from the right (and sometimes from the left–then again, sometimes I’m that guy attacking from the left!) I certainly thought not.
But it’s all about perceptions and feelings, after all; Carter can’t prove that this guy hoisting this ugly sign is necessarily doing so because Obama’s black. If Carter hadn’t added the critical words “I think” then he’d be incorrect–he has no way, generally, of KNOWING what motivates people he doesn’t know personally.
I guess if he’d thrown in a few more hedges he’d have taken a more defensible position. I’ll continue to defend it as being reasonable, although I don’t necessarily agree 100%.
(But then, I’m not an ex-President and life-long Southerner, so what do I know.)
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
11:53 am
Normal,
“Mike does seem to be a bit of a sour tart today, huh?”
Just today?
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
11:53 am
bosch –
“That sounds tasty. I made chutney once, I didn’t mean to….it was just how whatever I made turned into.”
this was intentional, but a little too sweet-and-sour … I usually like a little more going on … next time, I’m adding a little ginger and maybe a chilli pepper …
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
September 22nd, 2009
11:54 am
But Obama’s inability to point to concrete action at home on both fronts — issues where Obama’s proposals have bogged down in Congress – is likely to undercut his bargaining power, and his authority to press other nations to act.
Let’s see here, many of these foreign obozo’s set limits on their own countries, patted themselves on the back, mugged for the cameras, received glowing accolades from their state run media propaganda outlets and then went straight back home and broke those very same limits.
So wtf cares what they think?
duh
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
11:55 am
“The difference between 52% and 48% is 2%. All day long.”
Wrong. The difference between 52% and 48% is 4%…all day long. If you have 2 groups of people, one containing 52 people and the other 48 people…it’s takes 4 people (that’s 4%) to change 52 to 48, and it takes the same number (and percentage) to change 48 to 52.
It does only take 2 people (2%) to make them even at 50/50…but percentagewise that’s not the DIFFERENCE between them.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
11:56 am
It is bigoted stereotyping and you know it.
You read minds now?
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
11:56 am
Bosch-Not trying to argumentative,but we must be listening to different interviews. I have yet to hear the “Radical Fringe Element of Demonstrators and Others……etc” in the interview of which I speak with B.Williams on mnbc.com. It does state what I said above,however. I guess we just deduct differently based on what he said,no biggie.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
11:56 am
Mrs. Godzilla
Yes, he throws like a girl:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/23/obama-to-throw-out-first_n_219885.html
Tossing a basketball thirty feet can be done by any middle school athlete. Bush threw a hard strike across the plate.
“”CINCINNATI — Perhaps it was the pitching practice he got over the weekend or inspiration from the new baseball bat that outfielder Ken Griffey Jr. gave him. President Bush had lots of oomph in his arm to throw out a strong first pitch for the Cincinnati Reds’ home opener.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIiTYfFuAWA
Obama couldn’t throw it hard enough to MAKE IT to the plate.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
11:56 am
“You just aren’t offended because you share the same bigoted stereotypes”
you need to brush up on your mind reading. I don’t actually ever READ his posts, because I find them irritating. so, no, I do NOT “share” his stereotypes.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
11:57 am
Bosch, save me a seat on the plane.Had brunch with Mrs.G so I will have supper with you and USinUK.
USinUK, how bout califlower fried in olive oil and garlic and pepper with a little lemon on it when served! Goes great with spinich.Off Topic
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:00 pm
Scooter … ooooo … cauli … I’m all about the cauli … none in the fridge, though, so it’ll probably be the good ol’ standby: peas.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
12:00 pm
sfd and Hef,
I think of it like this – Carter knows racism he’s seen it. The man is 85? 86? He knows racism, overt and subtle. Dave Matthews said the same thing in an interview I read:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/21/qa.dave.matthews/?imw=Y
And again, from the perspective of a South African – they are going to view racism totally different – like Carter – who grew up in the rural South, ever been to Plains?
Carter is a Fool
September 22nd, 2009
12:00 pm
Still waiting for someone on the Paper to condemn Carter as short sighted for his idea that it is racism that is behind opposition to the takeover of healthcare. Any takers from our fearless communists, err columnists. Even Clintoon distanced himself from Carter’s ramblings.
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
12:00 pm
I also noted that I believed the poll to be skewed as it came from the hyper-partisan Daily Kos. followed by Typical mindless partisan. Keep on bleating!
Such a good little wingnut. Or, to put it another way – Doctor, heal thyself!
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
12:03 pm
Mike, just face it the south is ignorant, racial uneducated country folks who think differently than the rest of the country, and that country is in complete agreement on ALL of the other issues. It is disturbing to us all here that the south is still caught in the racial times of the 1860s.
Don’t you worry that in more than 1 of those poll questions that the south was actually closer to the center(west and midwest) than the NE.
You just remember that the south and its conservative loving, republican loving racist, and hate mongers and their ideals are to blame for all that is wrong. Did I mention that the people from the south think differently than everyone else.
Funny I just wonder how many people on this blog today are from the south?
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:04 pm
“Funny I just wonder how many people on this blog today are from the south?”
born and raised … made my escape when I was 29
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
12:04 pm
Normal @ 11:51 – Debate the message and quit trying to kill the messagers…
But, but, but…that’s the one of the few “weapons” in the wingnuts’ arsenal. They can’t refute the message with DEMONSTRABLE FACTS nor VERIFIABLE TRUTHS, so they go with “kill the messenger” when they can’t incite FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER in everyone.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
12:05 pm
Bisch
Do a little research about Carter before he became Gov. of Georgia. He was a strict segregationist like the other democrats in Georgia. He is very familiar with racists. He are one.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
12:05 pm
SFD-I don’t have any problem with Mr. Carter expressing his views,and I think each of us can accept and create our own thoughts/views based on that.
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
12:06 pm
How would one know if someone is mischaractering another posters schtick, if that same person has NEVER EVER read the schtick?
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
12:07 pm
Hef,
Wrote that 12:00 before I saw your 11:56 – again, he did not in any form say that all who oppose Obama was racist – it’s just not there. He mentioned the fringe element. And I know I’m probably gonna regret writing this because the winggies will yell “Bosch thinks I’m racist” – but I think alot of people are racist on a subconscious level. That does not for one second think that I think all people who oppose Obama are racists, hell, then I’d be one too. But I feel that Carter was talking about the extreme fringe elements out there, that, and the prejudices and feelings we all have on a subconscious level.
I think alot of folks need to really be honest with themselves about why they hate the man. He’s not a socialist, sorry, that’s just not there either, and if it’s not racism, then what? I’m totally open for suggestions.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
12:07 pm
“He are one”
Wrong. He WAS one. You need to brush up on your elementary school level English.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
12:08 pm
Out for a bit – later taters.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
12:08 pm
“if that same person has NEVER EVER read the schtick?”
How is it that my statement “don’t read” got changed to NEVER? I didn’t say I NEVER read them…I said I DON’T READ them. I’ve read enough of them in the PAST to skip over them NOW.
Public Option's A Go
September 22nd, 2009
12:09 pm
The poll painted a vivid picture of the Bookman wingnuts who flock here. Out of touch, extremist Faux Noise fringers.
73 degrees and sunny and only one place in the nation would close schools many hours after a moderate rain, and that place is Atlanta 47th in the SATs and proud to be. Wonder how many stayed home from work at large companies and used the excuse it rained earlier this week?
Kent Contrad, the hooker who can’t deliver for his johns is finding out now what it means to represent less than 1% and the most sparsely populated area of the country. As reporters keep slamming him with the fact that the CBO found coops completely worthless, Conrad says he agreed with the CBO right up until that happened. Dems from places like New York are telling Conrad to bury his stupid idea deep in the North Dakota plains. Coops have failed in every state they’re tried and would insure dominance of the status quo insurance runs medicine market.
Conrad has repeatedly refused to provide any concrete details for his co-ops idea becauswe he’s never seen any work. The two in North Dakota failed years ago, as did the two in Grandma Grassley’s Iowa. They were no competition for large insurance monopolies in both states.
Even the National Cooperative Business Association admits that competition from large private insurance monopolies (only two choices in 94% of the states raising rates 25-30% in five of them 3 weeks ago) drove most of the health insurance co-ops out of business or forced them to abandon the co-op structure. While Group Health Cooperative provides a good quality of care, its premiums are still spiraling out of control.
All the conservatives when not whining about getting their country back (who has it?) keep saying “ah wants what the Congress has.” They assume Congress has free health care. They do not and neither does the President. But they make more money than you do for screwing around and doing little and they take far more vacation time than you did when and if you worked.
The Federal Employee Health Benefits Program. is what Congress and all the federal employees in buidlings around the Russell building and the AJC soon to be abandoned for the perimeter have. The FEHB is a health insurance exchange for federal employees. It does a great job of offering many choices but a terrible job at controlling cost. From 1985-2002 the premiums in the FEHB program grew only 0.1% slower than the rest of the private insurance market. The FEHB does not include a public option.
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
12:10 pm
Bosch, for the record I lived in Americus, which is about 12 min. from plains, and it is actually not that racist of a town.
From my peronal experience, lived in Snellville for 18yrs and Americus 4, I would say people of the metro area see things through color and act accordingly, moreso than those in the Plains region.
Just from someone who has lived there.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
12:10 pm
“but I think alot of people are racist on a subconscious level.”
and I don’t agree…but I would agree that a lot of people are bigots on a subconscious level.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
12:10 pm
USinUK
**made my escape when I was 29**
I’m glad you made it out, like most of the other segregationists. It is a lot nicer here since the integrationist Republicans have been in charge. We are still trying to get rid of the segregationist “Great Society” but for some reason, the failing and corrupt city of Atlanta is still being run by segregationist democrats that couldn’t add two and two if their life depended on it.
So the city will continue to crash and burn like every other place that the dims run. .
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:11 pm
Nothing is Free –
12:05 – what a load of bollocks:
http://www.oxfordtoday.ox.ac.uk/2007-08/v20n1/02.shtml
“My mother ignored the mores and customs of racial segregation, and I think she planted in me similar feelings.’ Carter’s first political campaign, running for the Georgia State Senate, was in opposition to segregation in schools. When he became Governor – succeeding the segregationist Lester Maddox – he instigated an equal rights policy, appointing African Americans to posts from which they had previously been excluded.”
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:13 pm
NiF –
“like most of the other segregationists”
cute.
nah. I just like living in places were we can buy beer on Sunday.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
12:13 pm
Doggone/GA
So he was a racist. And Robert Byrd “WAS” a member of the KKK.
But they both are praised like a God to the segregationist dims. You must be very proud.
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
12:14 pm
Sorry doggone, but your statement was ever read I added the never. But how could you have read enough of them in the past if you and I quote said…….
“you need to brush up on your mind reading. I don’t actually ever READ his posts, because I find them irritating. so, no, I do NOT “share” his stereotypes.”
What is that 13th word again? Looks like ever. Seems as if one says that they don’t ever do something… is it not logical to say that they never do that same thing?
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
12:14 pm
Elsewhere
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:14 pm
Doggone –
“Wrong. He WAS one. You need to brush up on your elementary school level English.”
actually, no he wasn’t.
Morningstar
September 22nd, 2009
12:15 pm
To answer your question about Republican vs. Wingnut – I’ll give you an example:
Colin Powell – Republican
Nothing is Free – Wingnut
ter your comments here
Great example! Most of us probably know some Repubs who voted for President Obama as opposed to McCain. IMHO, Powell is a true statesman who will support whomever he deems to be best for the country. Granted he’s made some mistakes, and has admitted as much, but he’s obviously not in the ‘wingnut’ league.
Wonder if he’d (Powell) have supported McCain, had McCain chosen someone other than a Caribou Barbie as his vice?
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
12:16 pm
Bosch-I’m 50 and I think I know what racism is also.I believe you and most here know what racism is. I think Mr. Carter knew what he was saying and knew that it would create the stir that it did. I think it’s also not correct for him to do so.Mr. Carter while President convinced Egypt & Israel to come together,what he said in that interview did the exact opposite in regards to race relations in the U.S. These are just my opinions of course.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
12:16 pm
USinUK
**nah. I just like living in places were we can buy beer on Sunday**
So you moved to another country to buy beer. Got it.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
12:16 pm
UsinUK: I remember in South Georgia, the schools had Four H clubs and the triple K would use them to recruit
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
12:19 pm
but I think alot of people are racist on a subconscious level.
well yeah. You and me, too.
I think of myself as a recovering racist, recovering homophobe, recovering sexist. Being a member of a group that had claimed and held a position of superiority for centuries, it’s something bred into me, that I have to resist. Doesn’t matter how devoutly opposed to racial prejudice my own parents may have been–it’s bigger than that.
I don’ t know why this is especially controversial, but some people get kind of upset when you point it out.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
12:24 pm
Here is a thought for y’all…It spoke to me, just sayin’
Southern Attitudes…The South is deeper than the sterotypacal veneer, ya know?
“…to a considerable population of folks this is as much about grits, greens and hog jowls, yes sir and no ma’am, the Southern Baptist faith, Jeffersonian democracy and Lockeian principles as it is anything else. It’s about blues, jazz, country-western, gospel and rock-and-roll. It’s about William Faulkner, Richard Wright, Tennessee Williams, Eudora Welty and Shelby Foote. It’s about O Brother Where Art Thou. It’s about peanut butter and pioneer open heart surgery. It’s about the 14 Points of Versailles and the Marshall Plan. It’s about Mardi Gras and river boat gamblers, county line juke joints, Spoleto and the Lauren Rogers Museum…”
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:25 pm
NiF –
“So you moved to another country to buy beer. Got it.”
wow. did it cost a lot to have your sense of humor removed? or were you just born without one??? (I’m sure there’s a plaid-colored ribbon for that or something …)
Normal –
“the schools had Four H clubs and the triple K would use them to recruit”
I remember the K-cubed marching in Kennesaw, having upgraded their outfits from sheets to fatigues … that’s when I knew it was time to get the hell out of the ‘burbs and move into the city …
anyhoo … heading home … night all …
El Jefe
September 22nd, 2009
12:26 pm
It is very simple. The south has fewer closed shop states. The region is mostly “Right to Work” states. That way the Unions are not inserted into every aspect of our lives. It is also the reason so many foreign auto makes are settling in the South.
More freedom, more conservative.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
12:27 pm
SFD-I agree 100% I think that there is a smidgen of racism in everyone.I also think accepting that notion and how one deals with it defines each of us.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
12:28 pm
To answer your question about Republican vs. Wingnut – I’ll give you an example:
Colin Powell – Republican
Nothing is Free – Wingnut
Republicans
William F. Buckley
Kathleen Parker
Wingnut Extremists-all the commenters here who don’t support the Dems
People with the same old platitutdes they copy from Faux and Red State–all the commenters here who don’t support the dems
People who have nothing substantive to say about healthcare reform or any detail–all the commenters here who are against any changes
People who are not rich but love to see the insurance companies take 25% of their income–all the commenters here who are birthers/tenthers/birchers and want the government to control you when it’s one of their initiatives like controlling the relationship between a pregnant woman and her doctor, and then throwing the baby away and cutting off any health benefits for that baby when its born
People who are wingnuts here think that a proposed Tenth Amendment law by a few wingnutsin the Georgia legislature has any more chance in the federal appelate courts than the Titanic has of wining a sailing race
People who are wingnuts here think the civil war will happen again and it’ll be just like a Georgia Florida game
People who are wingnuts here like Kay Baily Hutcheson think that Afghanistan is “simple” as she said last night–”We’re fightin’ them over theah so they can’t come heah”
What shuts her up quickly is when someone asks her when she’ll introduce a draft so that her children can go to Afghanistan. It shuts up all the Repubozos who think we should pour way more troups into Afghanistan.
What shuts them up quickly is when you ask them where the 400-500 thousand troops needed to protect Afghanistan will come from since NATO says nothing doing and their troops are like 1/10 of a troop and National Guard is getting depleted and on their 4th tours with broken homes and crippled people strewn across this country.
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
12:30 pm
I stated — between two choices. Obama vs others.
No you didn’t. You said:
Your wildly popular President got 2.92% of the vote more than the old guy who picked the dumb broad to run with
Obama got 9,700,477 votes more than McCain. That 9,700,477 difference represents 7.4% of the total votes cast.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
12:32 pm
“Right to Work” states.
Had Orwell only lived to hear that one…
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
12:34 pm
Nothing is Free
OH NOES! He didn’t toss a burning 95 mph fastball! Bet you can’t either!
By the way, being a girl myself, I know how girls throw. That wasn’t it.
What’s next Nothing is Free…..dazzle us with some nana nana boo boo?
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
12:35 pm
“is it not logical to say that they never do that same thing?”
You’re confusing the present tense READ, with the past tense READ.
I don’t READ (present tense) his posts because Ihave READ (past tense) enough of them to find them irritating.
I don’t ever READ them (now) because I have READ them in the past and found them irritating.
Got it? I didn’t say – as you falsely stated – that I NEVER Read (past tense) them.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
12:36 pm
“actually, no he wasn’t”
I stand corrected!
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
September 22nd, 2009
12:37 pm
“Surprise! South isn’t like the rest of the country”, PRAISE G-D that is is different than the rest of the country. Certainly different that the northeast where men marry other men – or for that matter, Chicago, from whence, as if a venereal disease, ACORN sprung from a city that once had broad shoulders – or for that matter, California where the liberals have spent a once great state into bankruptcy and disrepair – and most of all, Washington DC, where a crackhead can be elected to city council, where Teddy Kennedy is not considered a partisan, and decent American folk are looked down upon and ridiculed by an effete liberal elite class of leaches.PRAISE G-D that the southland is still like Texas and Oklahoma, G-d fearing – still like Kansas and Nebraska, filled with people who are willing to subjugate their individual desires and need to an America is G-D’s greatest gift, after the Christ, to mankind.
To the rest of America, I say, “You’re queer – I’m here – please stay there.
Until 2012 when Palin/Liz Cheney sets that which is wrong, right.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
12:38 pm
However you look at it Obama kicked the Sh*t out of the Old Guy and his lame choice of VP. If it had been a little league baseball game the 10 run rule would’ve been applied after the 2nd inning.
Matilda
September 22nd, 2009
12:38 pm
Normal, good one at 12:24!
I Don't No
September 22nd, 2009
12:47 pm
You know, folks down in New Orleans are lookin’ up this way and wonderin’ ’bout a few things. Like, don’t y’all know to get out of town when there’s a flood about to break out over the levees (that would be the equivalent of the banks of the rivers and creeks, etc.). They’re also wondering if they’re gonna have to make room for a bunch of immigrants from Atlanta (especially places like Cobb and Gwinnett and Cherokee and Douglas counties). If so, they just need a few years notice so they can get the FEMA trailers lined up and connected to water and power. Sewage hookups are extra. One final thing, they say that you shouldn’t be expecting any help from the Fed because you really need to be more self sufficient. Call your local church instead. Oh yes, there will be another tea party this weekend. Bring your own tea bags and something to boil the water with. Be there or be square.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
12:53 pm
Blogging Senate Finance Markup
http://www.slate.com/id/2229192/
Dick's Armey
September 22nd, 2009
12:55 pm
Where did everybody go. Hey, I got mine. Stand with me on this. Hello. Hello… hellooooooooo.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
12:55 pm
I thought the levees broke in Atlanta; that’s why they called off schools on a sunny day with temp at 73.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
12:56 pm
Matilda, thanks…I am a Georgia Citizen by accident. I was born in Kentucky to I’m a natural neutralist, with KY being neutral in the War of Northern Aggression. Dad moved us to Georgia around ‘56, when he as transferred to Fort Stewart. It was the first time I had to deal with Jim Crow and it perplexed me and, I might add, got me into a few fights.
We retired (Dad) and moved to Atlanta, while he worked at Fort Mac. For two years, I had a room that was mine and not the Army’s.
The point I am trying to make is that for most of my life I have been a tumbleweed. All over europe during the occupation after WWII and 20 some odd year in the Navy, cruising the Pacific. I am only back in Georgia now because my Mom and my Sister are still here. And I will admit to you that all of the ugly sterotypes was all I saw for years.
The persecution of a race seem so unamerican, you know.
But I have a dear friend who has opened my eyes to the rich overall
heritage of the South. There is good and bad in everything, but what I
wrote above truly moved me. I confess that is not mine, but I wish it was. Sorry to ramble on like that
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
12:59 pm
Last night during his CBS interview with Katie Couric, Glenn Beck said he may have voted for Hillary Clinton and that “John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama.”
The world gonna end now. If the Atlanta flood worse than Katrina doesn’t drown you today, then Beck’s statement’ll kill ya.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:00 pm
Hef,
I’m 41 – and thankfully in my years I’ve seen very little overt racism – but my parents and grandparents? Not so much my dad, cause he makes me look like Andy, but my mom still pshaws inter-racial couples although she’d be the first to bake either of them a casserole if either were sick or needed help. My grandparents were just all out with their racism.
Like sfd said, I’m a recovering a whole lotta things, I just realized that we are all human beings and as I’ve gotten older I’ve realized that I have absolutely no business to judge anyone, regardless of anything they do.
Your 12:27? Couldn’t agree more. I’ve noted my distinct prejudice against dumb asses before, and I’m still working on it.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:03 pm
Hef,
I just thought of something: if there were a Socialist scale, 1 being lowest to 10 being the highest? My dad would be a 10.
He’s also agnostic. My parents are like opposite ends of the spectrum – no wonder I’m warped!!!
toll booth operator
September 22nd, 2009
1:03 pm
With all these washed out bridges and roads and no money to rebuild them, does this mean that the Republicans are going to finally have their way and put toll booths up all over the place. I sure hope so ’cause I could sure use the overtime.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
1:04 pm
Baucus and CMS (Medicare on the street) make legal threat to muzzle insurance companies
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/baucus-muzzles-misleading_n_294782.html
Enjoy your school vacation day and don’t let the rain drown ya. I can hardly see out the window it’s comin’ down so hard.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:04 pm
Public Option,
He said that because he knows his show is going down the toilet.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:06 pm
toll booth operator,
Never fear! Sonny is here! I just heard an interview on the news where he’s asking for federal emergency funds – damn Socialist.
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
1:07 pm
All this talk about BHO’s “pitching” skills.
Look, GWB could throw a ball 60 feet, 6 inches. But he could also f up everything he touched.
And I still contend that MLB’s big wigs and owners like Bud Selig should be water boarded for letting that major league (get it?) screw up Georgie get out of baseball and into politics.
It’s too late for that other GOP sycophant Ueberroth, but hopefully he’s playing catch with Satan…
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
1:08 pm
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:06 pm
toll booth operator,
Never fear! Sonny is here! I just heard an interview on the news where he’s asking for federal emergency funds – damn Socialist.
Bosch, Sonny just wants to get his before he leaves in 2110, don’t cha know…
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
September 22nd, 2009
1:11 pm
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
1:07 pm
For once we agree. Considering Obumbler’s “pitching” skills is a waste of time – one look at the 10 inched neck gomer and you can tell he’s a “catcher” not a “pitcher.”
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:12 pm
Normal,
In that news report I just heard, they were reporting that most of the people who will be receiving money don’t have insurance. I just can’t believe it! Those people should have KNOWN better!
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:14 pm
I think to be eligible for emergency funds you have to sign an anti-secession waiver……
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
1:14 pm
An Updated Version
During the past year!!!
Even if you aren’t a sports fan this is very interesting!
36 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
3 have done time for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 currently are defendants in lawsuits,
And,
84 have been arrested for drunk driving
In the last year
Can
You guess which organization this is?
NBA Or NFL
?
Give up yet?
Scroll down,
Neither,
it’s the 535 members of the
United States Congress
The same group that cranks out
Hundreds of new laws each year
Designed to keep the rest of us in line.
You
Gotta pass this one on!
Next year November 2nd, 2010 we need to replace all of them, 100%.
I just got an email from a friend that I would like to share with y’ll. Can anyone tell me how to post it here?
Jack
September 22nd, 2009
1:19 pm
What bothers me is the fact that Bookman actually reads DailyKos.
Jill
September 22nd, 2009
1:21 pm
Jack
September 22nd, 2009
1:19 pm
What bothers me is the fact that Bookman actually reads DailyKos.
And, you read Bookman. So, where do we go from here.
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
1:22 pm
Scooter, I’m quite sure that Andy could give you pointers on how to cut-n-paste…
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
1:22 pm
Bosch-My family has very different views on race. Mom,Dad,& sister racist to the core,other siblings open minded. Even my EXTREMELY BEAUTIFULL wife to be who is african american as I have stated hear many times calls me a closet racist, in jest. I to TRY not to judge people just actions,but sometimes I fail. I still have alot to learn,and enjoy working on myself(never ending project)
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:24 pm
Jack
Why would it bother you that a journalist reads Kos?
Is it because Kos used to be a republican?
Or because he served in the US Aremed forces?
Is it because he holds multiple degrees?
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
1:25 pm
Jack @ 1:19 – You could have stopped after 10 words and summed up most wingnuts’ “issues” with Jay as well as anyone who doesn’t agree with their views.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
1:26 pm
GGG, thanks, if he shows back up I will ask him!
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:26 pm
Hef
Good post! Aren’t we all works in process?
I am having trouble getting over my “norwegian” prejudices….
jconservative
September 22nd, 2009
1:27 pm
For those of you interested – Electoral and popular votes 2008:
Barack Obama Democratic 365 66,862,039
John McCain Republican 173 58,319,442
margin 192 8,542,597
The popular vote margin does not matter, the 2012 Republican ticket can pick that up by increasing margin in the southern tier.
The problem is the electoral vote. The 2012 ticket must pick up states
that McCain did not carry. But the demographics in those states do not favor a Republican candidate. In 2008 the Republicans lost all demographic groups but whites and over 60 (and the over 60 is getting smaller every day).
The Republican candidate in 2012 needs to be someone who appeals across those demographic lines.
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
1:27 pm
Byll, apparently he’s a hoopster!
I remember when we had real men in the White House. Who actually valued and advocated for physical fitness for America’s youth…
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:31 pm
Hef,
Yes, as Mrs. G stated – we are all works in progress. As I’ve stated before the only true facts in the world is that we were all born and we will all die – the rest is a matter of perspective.
As the wise Jedi Obi Wan said, “Only Siths speak in absolutes.” And we ALL know how evil Dick Cheney, oops, I mean Siths are!
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
1:33 pm
Bosch@1:03-Admitting it (warped) is the first step to recovery,Ha. Seriously,How do you know you’re the warped one? Could be the others that are warped!
Surprise
September 22nd, 2009
1:36 pm
Surprise — yet another term “tax” re-defined by PresBO !!!!! Anyone keeping track of PresBO’s new definitions????
According to Barack Obama, requiring everyone to carry health insurance … and making them pay a fine if they don’t … is not a tax increase.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:37 pm
Hef
My High School psychology nun said the folks who are truly insane
are those who never question their own sanity.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
1:37 pm
Ms Godzilla-Ha I liked that! When I stop wanting to improve myself,is the day the Big Guy hopefully asks me to join him.
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
1:37 pm
Surprise, if it wasn’t a “tax” when the Mittster did it in Massachusetts, it’s not a tax now. No surprise, a’tall.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
1:39 pm
lunchtime
Sighko
September 22nd, 2009
1:40 pm
When you guys secede you can keep our retired grandparents, but please don’t take Orlando. The whole world would hate to see Disney World and Universal turned into creationist theme parks.
Northern Songs, Ltd.
September 22nd, 2009
1:40 pm
jconservative “(and the over 60 is getting smaller every day).” sigh. wrong, as usual.
http://www.johnsimonds.com/2005/10/more-on-maturing-workforce-of-the-population-over-60/
United States
Percent of population aged 60 and above in 1980: approx. 16.07%
Percent of population aged 60 and above in 2000: approx. 16.27%
Percent of population aged 60 and above in 2005: approx. 16.81%
Percent of population aged 60 and above in 2010: approx. 18.41%
Percent of population aged 60 and above in 2025: approx. 24.21%
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
1:41 pm
jconservative
Your figures do not match those at http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2008/popular-vote.html
Mrs. Godzilla, Bosch–”we are all works in progress.” I will always be agin’ Man. U. and Liverpool—Just sayin’.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
1:41 pm
“According to Barack Obama, requiring everyone to carry health insurance … and making them pay a fine if they don’t … is not a tax increase”
Are the insurance premiums you pay NOW a tax?
Curious Observer
September 22nd, 2009
1:44 pm
Oh, put a sock in it! I grew up at a time when the N-word was commonplace in discussions within and between families. And when people in northern Virginia faced the prospect of forced integration in the schools, they actually moved their kids to my area to live with grandma and grandpa or an uncle or an aunt, for the place where I grew up didn’t have a black person who lived within 50 square miles. Many years later, the terminology in the area changed and we heard platitudes about how we’re all alike beneath the skin and how important equal opportunity is. But guess what? Those same people go to the polls and vote just as they always did. Their words changed, but their attitudes never did. If you are incapable of acknowledging that you are imbued with racist attitudes that you must work all your life to overcome, some of them reflexive, there’s no hope for you.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:45 pm
I pay tax to State Farm and Nationwide……
Surprise
September 22nd, 2009
1:48 pm
A bit more from Hogue –
The best follow-up this morning was printed (again) in the Wall Street Journal, “It turns out that the President thinks a health-care tax is not a tax if he thinks the tax is for your own good.”
Now this is exactly what Sacramento suffers from; in the Belly of the Beast we’ve heard this from the majority party for the past ten years. Every piece of new legislation that attaches ‘new fees’ for the general budget is a tax…that really isn’t a tax because the majority party of California ‘believes’ it is for your own good.
For California folks; ‘been there done that’ was the reply after George’s final commercial toss exiting the interview.
For my fellow ex-patriot here, a suggestion; it might be time for George Stenphanopoulous to use Wikipedia versus Webster. It seems like the true definitions of words are evolving each day. With each new piece of “Hope and Change” comes a new revelation of what we – the citizens of the country – really need, and how government has decided to describe them
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
1:50 pm
Insurance premiums are a choice, not a forceable act issued by the government.
Taxes not so much.
I do not go to jail if i don’t pay my insurance.
Northern Songs, Ltd.
September 22nd, 2009
1:53 pm
thomas — not YET you don’t.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:59 pm
That there Eric Hogue?
Boortz wanna’ be – only more christianist.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
2:00 pm
“Insurance premiums are a choice, not a forceable act issued by the government”
Even when you are REQUIRED to have it? Like liability insurance for your car, or flood insurance for your mortgage?
“I do not go to jail if i don’t pay my insurance”
It’s prefectly possible to live in such a manner that you owe no taxes. Why don’t you try it sometime?
Disgusted
September 22nd, 2009
2:02 pm
I do not go to jail if i don’t pay my insurance.
Well, it depends. You can very well go to jail if you don’t carry liability insurance and you get caught driving on the roads without it. And nobody knows yet what the penalty would be if you refuse to pay the fine for not carrying mandatory health insurance. That still wouldn’t make the fine a tax, any more than premiums for mandatory auto insurance are a tax.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
2:07 pm
How about some GOP “amnesty” for fines that are taxes on death panels to kill granny and force big insurance companies outa’ bidness causing us all to gay marry while fighting them over there so they don’t bring their WMDs over here?
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
2:09 pm
oh and Muslim, muslim, muslim…..
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
2:10 pm
The penalty that Baucus wants you to pay is through the nose money not jail. Health care in prison systems is eggregiously crap.
If you want to watch us slam the Blue Dogs and Republicans live in Senate Finance including the liar Grandma Grassley and the lying Blue Dog Conrad, the insurance company whores on parade, you can watch on C-Span 2 or here. The Senate Finance Feed doesn’t work all the time. What’d you expect–it’s Baucus’ committee?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2005/04/12/VI2005041201139.html
I saw Grassley yammering on. For what Grassley understands about health care delivery, it could just as well be Britney Spears.
1/4 don’t have insurance in Hotlanta says AJC and it’s growing. Republozos say that’s great and keep it growning. They can’t afford it ‘because insurance companies have raised premiums out of their reach and their employers are dropping their insurance because it’s too high.
Repubozos say that’s good. Let ‘em die.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
2:10 pm
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
2:07 pm
Ma’am, you have a mean streak in you a mile wide…
Richard Dawson
September 22nd, 2009
2:12 pm
…this was our number one answer…
Survey SAYS: Majority of Southerners havent drank the ObamaAid.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
2:14 pm
Normal….
Gee thanks!
ANd Mr. G thinks I’m a pushover
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
2:15 pm
Mrs. G –
you forgot abortion. also.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
2:15 pm
I don’t see insurance company whore Kent Conrad addressing the fact that his beloved CBO announced a few days ago that his coop idea is complete BS and that coops are worthless. Funny how he has stopped using CBO charts now that CBO has rejected his idea as bogus and pointed out coops have been a complete failure in this country.
Funny how Baucus and Conrad don’t bring up this article that shows coops are complete failures and don’t impact premiums by the large boss hog monopoly insurance companies. But the progressives who represent places like NY will:
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-HealthcareReform/idUSTRE58K3L920090921?
How many times could you fit the population of North Dakota into New York City? Or the population the Senate Finance Six losing power every second represent?
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
2:16 pm
A fine is a ‘non-compliance fee’. Republicans don’t do taxes.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
2:17 pm
A lot of surveys say the majority of southerners have the least education of any region in the US. Maybe they can’t read to understand what’s going on.
Disgusted
September 22nd, 2009
2:17 pm
And don’t forget your Right to Carry, Mrs. G.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
2:18 pm
Disgusted,
Carry what? A burden?
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
2:19 pm
UsinUK
damn! Perfection eludes me! (by a few miles….)
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
2:20 pm
RIP Co-ops
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
2:21 pm
Mrs G –
but you’re thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis close!
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
2:21 pm
A grudge?
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
2:22 pm
Other than telling each other what great studs and studesses they are, the Gang of Six neglects to say that they have come up with nothing, and Baucus’ bill is dead in the water–that they’ve taken the money from their insurance johns and are packed into the car squealing outta motel parking lot.
Apparently Orin Hatch hasn’t read any of the surveys where the overwhelming number of MDs want the public option.
More banal blather from someone who wants the status quo. Can’t possibly listen to any more.
Apparently ole Orin hasn’t read the Survey USA poll that 77% of Americans want a public option and a choice away from being gouged so much by private insurances companies that their employers are dropping their insurance in droves.
Atlanta is in a tie with Texas where 1/4 have no insurance in both places. And they’re both trying to secede from the US pushing the distorttion of the Tenth Amendment argument.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
2:23 pm
POAG,you is probly rite!
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
2:23 pm
USinUK
I had occasion to look up Brian Wesbury chief economist at First Trust and columnist at American Spectator and read through his predictions back to 2005. How can someone be so wrong and still keep such a prestigious job?
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
2:29 pm
Kam –
“How can someone be so wrong and still keep such a prestigious job?”
ask Bill Kristol … maybe he can shed some light on that question …
The thing is that a number of people actually did say that there was going to be a recession – however, I can’t think of anyone who had even the remotest idea that it would be this bad …
in fact, back in the summer of 2007, I was at a conference where they were saying that there will always be a business cycle, but now, because of all the new forms of hedging, that all the downsides will be mitigated and recessions won’t be as deep or last as long …
oy.
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
2:32 pm
Kamchak, the way all of those corporate criminals and their white collar suckers and grinners like the buffoons on MSNBC did. They all sang the same George of the Bungle tune – the economy is sound and everything’s rosy! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
And then that major league arsewipe, DickHead Cheney had the cojones to look at the camera and say, “Don’t blame Bush. no one saw this coming.”
That man will forever go down in history as a bald-face liar, an incompetent scumbag of the nth degree and a deadly fool. (now ask me what I really think of him and his puppet GWB.)
How these men are not in prison is a testament to the unstoppable corruption of the Wall Street fascists that now own Washington DC.
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
2:32 pm
USinUK
oy indeed. Thanks.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
2:37 pm
Kam –
me, I thought it was interesting that Greenspan stepped down when he did … then, he became one of the first people to say that the US was heading into a recession …
did he know how bad it was going to be?? I doubt even he realized the extent to which the investment banks were exposed via the derivatives that he thought were the panacea to risk … but, I do think he knew that something bad was coming …
always keep your eyes on the yield curve … an inverted yield curve (where the short end is higher than the long end) always … ALWAYS … precedes a recession. when people say “but this time it’s different”, don’t listen to them – they’ve been wrong everytime they’ve said that.
(yield curve = yields on us treasuries … look at 3-month, 2- 5- 10- and 30-year yields … they’re published everyday in the business section)
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
2:40 pm
Just listen to this buffoon that used to “advise” Saint Ronnie. Now there’s a trickle down your thighs economic model to follow!
Any bets that he didn’t pocket a bunch of dirty money before the shiite hit the fan a year ago?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/this-guy-predicted-the-fi_n_143965.html
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
2:48 pm
One could argue that Reagan’s mindless and traitorous 11th Commandment has a great deal to do with the rampant corruption in the GOP and the enabling of the long-standing corporate crime wave.
Hypothetically, lets say there were a few members of the Republican Party with a brain and a soul.
Because of the Reagan Manifesto they didn’t dare speak of what they saw. That the imbeciles in charge of that party were steering the USS America towards the rocks. In foreign polciy, in domestic policy and in values.
So they ALL, except for a few outcasts and brave souls like Ron Paul and Chuck Hagel, said and did NOTHING.
Now the conned want us to believe their boys have any credibility or integrity???
No wonder they keep getting destroyed at the polls…
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
2:54 pm
AmVet, I’m sure you will correct me if I am wrong but the buffoon as you call him seems to know what he is talking about.If I had known what he knew I could have saved a heck of a lot of money! ???????
md
September 22nd, 2009
2:55 pm
“Not surprisingly, charting favorability toward the Democrats would produce a mirror image of Benen’s chart.”
So, where’s the chart? Oh yea, agenda, agenda, agenda.
As for the current topic of the recession, its all about fundamentals. A baseball team can’t catch and throw, they lose. Derivatives based on unsound fundamentals (mortgage ratios), house of cards falls.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
2:55 pm
“he became one of the first people to say that the US was heading into a recession …”
I’ve taken anything he says or does with a LARGE grain of salt, ever since he was so surprised at how well the economy did after the Clinton tax raises.
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
2:58 pm
USinUK
Funny you should mention inverted yield curve. Just a sample of his Monday morning outlooks:
Jan 16 2007 Don’t Worry About Inverted Yield Curve
May 14 2007 The Economic Rebound is Already Underway
Oct 1 2007 The Economy Is Not Landing, It’s Taking Off
Oct 8 2007 The Consumer Will Not Fade
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
3:00 pm
“…seems to know what he is talking about.”
Scooter, please do expound.
Dusty
September 22nd, 2009
3:00 pm
Well, talk about much ado about nothing, this one takes the prize. Bookman wants to tell us the South isn’t like the rest of the country. Thank GOD for that.
Reading all the pointless negative comments from the “imports” who couldn’t wait to get to the South is laughable. They couldn’t wait to get here and now they want to change the South BACK to resemble the place they left.
Give it up, boys and girls. Just like Bookman, you ran down here for the best of everything. Now you sit here like a boll weavil in a cotton patch, determined to be the biggest loser of a grinch for all times.
Southerners are noted for their charm, civility and good manners. Indeed, dear folks, I will hold the door open when you want to leave. I will chip in on your airline ticket. I will help you get on the train. I’ll even give you a hug as you depart. I’ll sing a few lines of “Dixie” for you.
On the other hand, welcome South, BROTHER. Now act like one.
And so long, grouch. May your happiness be as big as your minute moments of lucidity. Au revoir!!
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
3:02 pm
Now that’s southern hospitality!
I’ll pop for the juleps.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
3:03 pm
Scooter-puss …
the buffoon in question was Laffer (the other guy) — the one who was saying that “wealth” was growing, that everything was great.
Kam …
hahaha … was his october 15 2007 one “Clap if you believe” followed by his october 22 one “I think I can I think I can”
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
3:03 pm
And I’ll make all the vegetables for the buffet: Macaroni and cheese, hashbrown casserole, broccoli casserole, and squash casserole – plus the green bean cooked to a mush with bacon and potatoes.
Oh boy!
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
3:06 pm
And cheese grits, of course.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
3:08 pm
Bosch –
please-o-please-o-please to make some creamed spinach!!!!
I’ll make the pecan pie
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
3:08 pm
Rachel Maddow…mint julep recipe
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30524940/
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
3:09 pm
I do a pretty damn good calabash shrimp with cheses and bacon grits….
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
3:09 pm
But that’s not a Southern vegetable. But, okay.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
3:11 pm
Mrs. G.,
Bacon is fine – it’s part vegetable in Southern cuisine, but the shrimp makes it more low country than Southern. Ya’ think? Oh, what the hell…..
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
3:13 pm
Low country is southern …..ain’t it?
Just been to Calabash NC…..
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
3:15 pm
Mrs. G.,
You’re right – it’s actually better than just plain old Southern.
and ohhh…..USinUK just had to go and mention pecan pie.
whistling dixie
September 22nd, 2009
3:15 pm
I note that Dusty seems to have her extra large granny bloomers in a wad this P.M.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
3:18 pm
NO COOL WHIP!
I’ll whip the heavy cream for that pecan pie…..
emeril
September 22nd, 2009
3:19 pm
I guess when there is nothing left to discuss the regulars turn to my area of expertise COOKING!
Wow….I’m impressed……………………..
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
3:20 pm
Bosch –
if creamed spinach isn’t southern, then why is it in every southern cafe I’ve ever been to??? (right alongside creamed corn and grey-ish green beans)
and I make a killer pecan pie (the secret: more pecans)
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
3:22 pm
I note that Dusty seems to have her extra large granny bloomers in a wad this P.M.
What, you don’t get all charmed as get-out when a born/bred type tells you how her fambly came and moved here and made the South a certain way and now nobody’s allowed to come in and change it, ever!
It’s so civil; so polite.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
3:22 pm
“Well, talk about much ado about nothing, this one takes the prize. Bookman wants to tell us the South isn’t like the rest of the country”
In case you failed to notice, this is HIS blog. He want’s to comment…it’s his choice. YOU on the other hand DON’T have to come here and bitch about it. You don’t like it? Do your OWN BLOG.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
3:24 pm
Massachusetts Senate approved replacing Kennedy. House has already. If final votes done tomorrow, Patrick could appoint his relacement as soon as tomorrow. That will give the Dems a Senator that can show up every day and vote on every issue.
That leaves Byrd who can’t show up every day.
Specter and Leiberman don’t count because they vote with Repubozos on every bill and are essentially Repubozos.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
3:24 pm
I see where we’re gonna get a temp in the MA senate seat afterall.
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
3:24 pm
ooo … here’s a question for the class … is the Smith House still open up in Dahlonega??? ohmygod, some of the best fried chicken and creamed corn I’ve ever had. in my life. ever. and did I mention the biscuits and rolls???
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
3:27 pm
Mrs. G –
do you think the other Senators are going to be like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NubcKsQTuNQ
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
3:27 pm
Smith House still open, it would seem.
(I was just up in Dahlonega few weeks back, but don’t know that place. guess I should. next time.)
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
3:28 pm
Nothng like hypocrisy at its finest. AMA has a powerpoint on health reform while working quietly behind the scenes with insurance companies to kill it.
http://ow.ly/qyqP
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
3:28 pm
WHAT!!?? No Fried okra?
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
3:30 pm
dB
try the smith house for sure! i can’t eat my money’s worth there, but Mr G takes up the slack.
then walk across the square to the candy shop on the corner and try some of the pralines…..
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
3:31 pm
dB –
we went there every fall for Gold Rush Days when I was growing up … ohmygod … the fact that I’m still rhapsodizing about their food (mumble-mumble) years later should tell you how good it is …
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
3:34 pm
USinUK, The Smith House, yeppers! My wife and I go there for our bithdays and when I went to school there I hit the place every Sunday.
The whole thing was just two bucks then. I believe it’s up to around fifteen per plate now. If you had seen it in the sixties, you would think it was a five star restuarant now…BUT, it still has the best fried chicken…
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
3:35 pm
I don’t think Dusty’s from these parts.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
3:37 pm
When you have a governor who doesn’t know how to govern, and a legislature that doesn’t know how to govern you get this. Georgia becomes Little Katrinaville.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/us/23rain.html?hp
“A sewage treatment plant northwest of Atlanta flooded late Monday and into Tuesday, spewing sewage into the Chattahoochee River, which had already swollen to at least 12 feet over its minimum flood stage level.
“When you have a situation like that, there is very little that can be done,” said Janet Ward, the spokeswoman for Atlanta’s Department of Watershed, in an interview Tuesday morning. “We knew yesterday afternoon that things were getting serious and it wasn’t until last night that we realized that we would lose the plant. The plant is very close to the river.”
She added: “The primary and secondary treatment is very compromised, and a lot of sewage is going into the river.”
By 5 a.m. Tuesday, 17 bridges across the state were closed, along with sections of major interstate highways in the Atlanta area including I-20 and I-285.
The death toll rose to seven on Tuesday morning , according to Georgia’s office of emergency management. The body of 14-year-old Nicholas Osley was recovered from a cornfield flooded by the nearby Chattooga River in Trion, Ga., according to a spokeswoman for the Chattooga County Emergency Management Agency. On Monday, Mr. Osley and a friend had rushed to an abandoned car to rescue the occupant, not knowing the occupant had already escaped. Mr. Osley was swept away by the current, while his friend was rescued, the spokeswoman said.”
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
3:40 pm
USinUK and AmVet,as usual I guess I am the buffoon here!
md
September 22nd, 2009
3:40 pm
“you have a governor who doesn’t know how to govern, and a legislature that doesn’t know how to govern you get this. Georgia becomes Little Katrinaville.”
What would you suggest – flush all the toilets up?
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
3:43 pm
Serial dog killer and dog torturer extrordinaire back on Twitter with 11,071 supporters of serail dog killing and mass dog torturing.
USA USA
Homeland Homeland
http://twitter.com/MV7isback
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
3:46 pm
Definitely no Cool Whip – what is that crap anyway. And fried okra for Normal – and USinUK – okay, okay! Creamed Spinach.
And we used to eat at the Smith House all the time when I was a kid – well, you know how kids are – I thought it was all the time, which probably means I went there two or three times. Didn’t know it was still open though.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
3:46 pm
Where is the streak-o- lean and fried cabbage!
smithhouse
September 22nd, 2009
3:47 pm
Forget the fried chicken. Go with the Lutefisk.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
3:51 pm
I’d suggest state codes for drains and pipes that mean something. Scores of cities have more rain than we’ve had and don’t flood. Seattle, Louisville, Chicago, Indianapolis, Philadelpia, Nashville, New York to name but a few.
If we had them, there wouldn’t be the tragic scene of a mobile home being washed away and a child being washed out of his father’s hands and drowned.
We have had a lot less rain than the above cities in any given week.
Lipton drinker
September 22nd, 2009
3:52 pm
Fellow Lipton drinkers. I know that we normally like to just take care of those like us but these are extraordinary times. We need to show others that are not like us that we are caring and generous during this, their time of need. So, reach out to those, normally no good, Luzianne drinkers and help them out in their time of need. Be charitable. And, remember, don’t tax you neighbor’s patience with comments about being prepared and self sufficient during these times. Wait a few days.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
3:54 pm
lutefisk……EEEEK!
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
3:58 pm
uh oh, the blog has been invaded by a teabagger y’ll!
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
3:59 pm
Just a general question, Mass. must elect a successor to T.Kennedy or did they change the rules again?
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
4:00 pm
Teabaggers…..EEEEEK!!
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
4:00 pm
President of the largest unions calls Baucus Bill BS–and it turns out surprise surprise that the people in the AFL-CIO are actually Americans living and working in the US
http://bit.ly/rGqiA
GOP Senator compares illegal immigrants seeking emergency health care to shoplifters: http://tinyurl.com/m8nle7
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:00 pm
Hef
They changed the rules again.
The Gov gets to select a temp…..but there’s a special election in Dec or Jan…..
If it’s what Mass wants…it’s ok by me.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
4:01 pm
Must admit I do enjoy Luzianne more than Lipton,bolder taste.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
4:01 pm
Anti-reform group spends nearly $500,000 on “death star” ad targeting Rockefeller’s public option amendment: http://tinyurl.com/lgzn6b
Paul
September 22nd, 2009
4:02 pm
Enter your comments here
Paul
September 22nd, 2009
4:04 pm
Hey Bosch
I read “The South Isn’t Like the Rest of the Country” then I read your post of “And I’ll make all the vegetables for the buffet: Macaroni and cheese”
Vegetables = mac and cheese. Yup, all I need to know about how the South’s different!
I like it.
What didja think of Heroes?
md
September 22nd, 2009
4:04 pm
“a general question, Mass. must elect a successor to T.Kennedy or did they change the rules again?”
Yep, changed the rules again. Sounds like Chavez Syndrom.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
4:08 pm
Baucus’ chief of staff have not run coops by CBO, because CBO and every other study of coops has said they’re worthless. No surprise there.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
4:08 pm
Paul,
Yeah, it always cracks me up to go to places like Cracker Barrel, macaroni and cheese is one of the vegetables. I think technically, not one of the “vegetables” listed on the Cracker Barrel menu is actually a vegetable.
I stopped watching Heroes last season. I got kind of sick of it – everyone died, then would come back and the time switching and I got confused.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:09 pm
the house and senate of a state (commonwealth) of it’s own free will
makes a choice to change how stuff is done…..Chavez Syndrome? OH NO!
It’s just plain commie pinko facist evil driven by Satan himself from beyond the grave!
just sayin’
Dusty
September 22nd, 2009
4:09 pm
Ah yes, now it is all clear. The starving invaders from the North just came here to EAT. And the poor souls forgot to exercise OFF that big ol’ overhang! But I will excuse these folks for wanting some good food. They needed something good.
I did the “academics” in Boston for a year or two and they fed me strange stuff like Indian pudding (cornmeal with sugar), lufefisk and finan haddie. You won’t believe what they can to to a poor fish up there. Then they served potatoes for BREAKFAST and never heard of grits! I understand their immigration completely.
But no, I don’t wear bloomers (but did wear a tidy swim suit last week). So don’t get your knickers in a wad, decibelle & bulbous.
TnGelding, this my part of the country, Georgia and South Carolina. They are absolutely the BEST with Arizona running third.
Wow, Doggone, I would never have guessed that this is Bookman’s blog. Now everybody can’t be his little toadie, like you. Even Bookman likes a little diversity. Maybe that is why I was “moderated” 13 times consecutively yesterday. Bookman said he was “Sorry”. Well, I knew that. But being forgiving as I am, I am here as the pleasant one today. Cheerup, honey. You,too, may be able to say something sweet. Give it a try.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
4:11 pm
I like “Texas Tea” it’s richer!
md
September 22nd, 2009
4:12 pm
“the house and senate of a state (commonwealth) of it’s own free will
makes a choice to change how stuff is done…..Chavez Syndrome? OH NO!”
One must look at why it was changed the first time to understand the Chavez Syndrom.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
4:12 pm
Ms Godzilla-I agree it is they’re state,but is’nt it a little shady to change the rules the last couple of times(including this one) to favor one side?
Ronnie
September 22nd, 2009
4:13 pm
Eat your ketchup, except that Heinz stuff. It’s made by commie pinkos.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
4:13 pm
In the Baucus plan, Americans between 200% and 300% of the poverty line would be paying 19-20% of their income to buy one of the cheaper plans confirmed this moment by CBO Doug Elmendorf. That would be good for making sure that 1/2 Atlantans don’t have health insurance if there is no public option choice.
How bout that Repubozos, ready to ante up 20% of your income in a forced crap plan? How does a choice of a public option look to ya now?
20% of your income for insurance that can charge and raise premiums at will and drop you when you get sick. Beautiful.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
4:15 pm
Hey Dusty,I still love you!
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
4:16 pm
md-Was the first change so Mitt would’nt be able to name a successor to Kerry?
MacroSoft
September 22nd, 2009
4:18 pm
So, the software has gone and made a moderate out of Dusty. Our latest offering, Indoctrination, Version 2.0.1, is working quite well. Bachmann will be pleased.
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
4:18 pm
Pommes frites—-not Southern
Freedom fries—–Southern
md
September 22nd, 2009
4:20 pm
“md-Was the first change so Mitt would’nt be able to name a successor to Kerry?”
Yep.
Pure corrupt politics at its finest. It doesn’t surprise me that Mrs G would agree, as she probably supports Chavez and his marxist buddies as well. No different than voting for handouts from other peoples taxes, sweet gig if one can get it.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:20 pm
Hef
Shady? No. All done out in the open.
Hypocritical, a bit, based on your political persuasion.
Legal. You betcha’.
It was after all Teddy, and most folks in MASS loved him and want
their voice heard on HCR.
and yes, we all know why it was changed the first time.
and because it was done legally they can do it whenever enough
of the people want them to.
and thats a good thing.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:26 pm
exceedingly, exceedingly
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
4:26 pm
Ms Godzilla-Honest answer that I can accept.As I said,it’s they’re state,if the PEOPLE are ok with it,that’s all that matters(legally speaking of course)
smithhouse
September 22nd, 2009
4:28 pm
I have a wonderful Lutefisk white gravy that you can put on just about anything.
Been selling it up in the Northeast for years. Those yankees put it on everything from oatmeal to buffalo wings.
md
September 22nd, 2009
4:30 pm
“and because it was done legally they can do it whenever enough
of the people want them to.
and thats a good thing.”
And where exactly does that differ with Mr. Chavez? He is essentially an elected dictator, and that is a good thing?
This type of politics is bad for a society, and if you can’t see that, then only time will tell. Constitution next? Then Bill of Rights? Where does it stop? (Hint, it won’t without revolution)
You're in the Armey Now
September 22nd, 2009
4:33 pm
Fellow, “I got mine-ers”, I need you to get out there in the streets with your signs and put up the good fight during these times because there is a lot of pressure coming from those people — you know the ones, the ones that want what don’t belong to them, what belongs to us — to take what belongs to us in the form of taxes to do things like re-build washed out roads and bridges and flooded houses and schools, especially in places like Cobb and Forsyth and Douglas and Gwinnett counties. We have to stand united in these times more than any other time otherwise how can those people learn to not be beggars. So, do you part to help them become independents. Just say NO.
Thank you.
Thank you very much,
Your friend,
Dick
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
4:33 pm
smithhouse, too funny!
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
4:36 pm
smoochie
September 22nd, 2009
4:27 pm
Maybe Obama is reading to his kids.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:38 pm
md
citizens of MASS vs. SA dictator
if you really don’t see the difference you’ve got the golgothan
for brains.
funny thing…when the citizens get together we can do all kinds of things.
there’s this thing called “constitutional amendments” all dictators do it!
one of them there amendment thingys…..well that was the bill of rights……approved by the citizens……oops I mean all the dictators of the United State of America!
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
4:39 pm
Kamchak! Good one! I saw a retarded bumper sticker this past weekend:
America – Born, July 4, 1776; Died November 8, 2008.
Oh, the drama.
Speaking of drama, what is the wingnut obsession with Chavez and them telling us what we think?
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:39 pm
damn those dictators who repealed prohibition and gave women the right to vote!
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:40 pm
Bosch
Don’t be a dictator!
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:43 pm
Paul
Thought of you when I read this…..
http://rawstory.com/2009/09/media-hypes-terror-plot-despite-the-fact-no-one-is-charged-with-terror/
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
4:43 pm
Mrs. G.,
I prefer to be a tyrant. It just looks cooler on my business cards:
Bosch, Tyrant
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
4:44 pm
Bschie – Speaking of drama, what is the wingnut obsession with Chavez and them telling us what we think?
The Wingnuts are so used to being told what to think that they believe EVERYONE needs to be told what to think.
Eli Jones
September 22nd, 2009
4:45 pm
Would you like to see Barack Hussein Obama Impeached? Well get in line!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/3/impeach-obama
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:45 pm
Senior or Junior Grade?
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
4:46 pm
Ms Godzilla – I was with you until that crack about women being able to VOTE!!!!
moonbat betty
September 22nd, 2009
4:46 pm
HOPE AND CHANGE
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:47 pm
Eli
Your work is paying off…look 6 or 7 new names in 24 hours…..
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
4:48 pm
Bosch,may you can be a Czar. They out-rank Tyrants don’t they?
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
4:48 pm
Bosch it is obvious that ANYBODY who would put such a moronic bumper sticker on their car voted for you know who. Twice.
You would think that GWB will go down in history as the greatest of all time! Better by far than Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson and Truman. COMBINED!
The reality is that George of the Bungle was more inept than even Hoover. More imperious than even Reagan. More criminal than even Nixon.
He is ASSURED of being one of the very worst two or three US Presidents ever. And arguably may end up at the very bottom of the list.
And the always duped fake conservatives pretend NONE of it ever happened…
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
4:48 pm
Bosch-It would’nt be authentic without a menacing picture, I know I use my driver lic pix on mine.
Taxpayer
September 22nd, 2009
4:49 pm
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
4:43 pm
Mrs. G.,
I prefer to be a tyrant. It just looks cooler on my business cards:
Bosch, Tyrant
Oh yeah. That’s nothing.
There’s this other guy that signs his stuff with:
Yours Truly,
Cheney, Dick.
Now, THAT takes some bal… , well, on second thought, not really.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:51 pm
Taxpayer…..could you hand me Bosch’s screen cleaner and a kleenex…..
k, thx
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
4:52 pm
Mrs. G.,
Hehehehe. Now we know who the bad guys are and we can send our O of O army out to round them up, take away their guns, kill their grannies, and make them all get gay married, and pray on mats.
Fools.
BWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
OMG, wouldn’t it be funny to sign that petition and say something to that effect in the comment section? Just think of the frenzy we could cause.
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
4:52 pm
Eli, you’re about three years too late, my man!
When the most serially impeachable president in history was wiping his arse with the US Constitution…
md
September 22nd, 2009
4:53 pm
“md
citizens of MASS vs. SA dictator”
Maybe you are the one that needs to do a little research. That SA dictator was “voted in” by the “people”. The masses are easily manipulated, and what happened/is happening there can happen here. I believe a gentleman by the name of Adolf was also an elected representative of his country.
There are just as many cool-aid drinkers in this country as there are in other countries.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
Ben Franklin
“Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: ‘No man should have so much.’ The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: ‘All men should have as much.’ ”
–Phelps Adams “
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
4:54 pm
Scooter,
OR, Tyrant Czar! I like it!
AmVet,
Fer rizzle.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:54 pm
Bosch…you’re so cute when your a devilish tyrant!
Brilliant!
Paul
September 22nd, 2009
4:57 pm
Mrs. Godzilla 4:43
Standard tactic in such cases is to get them in custody on whatever you can – particularly if you think a crime is about to occur.
My original point was that, under the Bush Administration such arrests would occur and we’d hear all sorts of commentary along the lines of ‘fake! fear! bogus! fascism! laughable!’
but now we get a case analysis.
Back to my mac and cheese -
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
4:57 pm
Mrs. G. and Hef,
Here’s my driver’s license picture:
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
4:57 pm
md
the masses are easily manipulated? that might cover you toots.
yep, we’ve spent that last 200 and some years voting all the wealth into the hands of the little people…..OOOOPS! NOT!
give it up, the people of MASS had every right to do what they did and it’s wonderfully, blissfully an American thing to do.
Paul
September 22nd, 2009
5:00 pm
Bosch
New bumper sticker for you (or maybe even a t-shirt).
Okay, so I plagiarized a bit. So sue me (med malpractice sharks are going to need a new line of business).
America – Born, July 4, 1776; Died November 8, 2000; Resurrected November 8, 2008.
See? Work the conservative religious market angle. You could even sell a bunch of’em at evangelical retreats and conferences until they caught on!
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
5:01 pm
The masses are easily manipulated, and what happened/is happening there did happen here in 2000.
FYT
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
5:02 pm
Bosch-So that’s YOU!
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
5:03 pm
Paul,
Brilliant! It would probably take them at least until after they paid for it to realize that Obama and the Risen Lord and Savior Jesus Christ were sort of juxtaposed together. I like it!
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
5:03 pm
Hef,
I was having a bad hair day and was wicked hungover.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 22nd, 2009
5:04 pm
bookman take a school day?
And what about Mad Harris, does anyone else not understand what would have happened if school were in session today with all of the road closures?
Who does he think we are, India or something, plunging school buses full of kids into the river?
What a crank.
md
September 22nd, 2009
5:05 pm
The masses are easily manipulated, and what happened/is happening there did happen here in 2008.
You forgot to change that last 0.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
5:06 pm
AmVet, me and this keyboard don’t expound to good. I need to stay with one-liners and questions until I learn to type!
md
September 22nd, 2009
5:07 pm
“give it up, the people of MASS had every right to do what they did and it’s wonderfully, blissfully an American thing to do.”
As I said, there are plenty of cool-aid drinkers in this country.
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
5:08 pm
No worries, Scooter. It’s not like all of the rest of haven’t said something boneheaded from time to time. The difference is that the GWB fans, like him, NEVER make any mistakes…
You can’t expect to wield supreme executive power because some watery tart threw a sword at you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
5:09 pm
Bosch-Hopefully hangover was from some good ol Guinness Stout. Also Yul Brenner look took care of all my bad hair day’s, and my EXTREMELY BEAUTIFULL wife to be loves the look.
md
September 22nd, 2009
5:12 pm
“yep, we’ve spent that last 200 and some years voting all the wealth into the hands of the little people…..OOOOPS! NOT!”
And the reason is the country is still divided 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. If the left ever had the numbers, I would put my money on them voting themselves a raise just like Venezuela thought they were doing. Of course Chavez is bleeding down there driving out all the investments, but he sure has the voters thinking their pot of gold is on the way.
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
5:16 pm
The masses are easily manipulated, and what happened/is happening there could have but didn’t happen here in 2008
FYT again.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
5:17 pm
Ms Godzilla-FYI, I don’t agree with the Mass deal. As I would’nt agree with it the shoe had been on the other foot. If it’s the will of the people then so be it,but if it’s the will of those in power then no.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
5:18 pm
AmVet, too funny dude! I have not seen that in a while.
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
5:19 pm
This nation was once upon a time NOT a complete plutocracy as it is now.
And because of the criminal and corporate ownership of the government it is now officially an oligarchy – a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.
Seriously, does your representative even pretend to try to protect you anymore? Or represent your interests?
At the prodding of the conned they are making it less and less a government of the people, by the people and FOR the people.
And slowly (MUCH too slowly for me) non-Republicans everywhere are starting to wake up to this fact.
This reminds me of neo-cons discussing climatology:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4_9kDO3q0w&feature=related
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
5:23 pm
Ok Gang, unwad your thongs and BVD’s…Ol’ Normal has the cure..
All togeter now, All you need is….;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
5:25 pm
…and hopefully this will happen tomorrow…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZtQh5EIgWQ&feature=related
md
September 22nd, 2009
5:29 pm
The MA shananigans are pure partisan politics.
Both parties do it, and that is why this country is so divided.
Dusty
September 22nd, 2009
5:30 pm
Good heavens, will someone please call Bookman off the golf course? The poor kiddies are playing Bash Bush here again. I mean they never mature beyond bumper stickers and such. A whole crowd of tail gaters, learning to read bumper stickers. I often wondered what liberals did beside post on blogs.
Mz godzie, I like your posts so much better now that you are no longer presenting Dem’s IN THE NEWS. Tres bien.
Scooter, I love you too. Good idea about czars and names.. How’d it go? bosch tyrant. amvet awful, taxie terrific, foxy godzy and texas tall paul…Did I miss anybody? Cute Scoot! KamChak the hack….
By the way, the Smith House has expanded. Still serving good food, even Southern veggies like macaroni. (That’s for you, bosch.)
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Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
5:31 pm
md
the people of Mass have spoken……sorry but you’ll just have to live with it.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
5:33 pm
Dusty
so glad I can make you happy….
N.J.
September 23rd, 2009
11:31 am
Exactly. The BBC and even radio programs in Turkey are running stories that overwhelmingly indicate that the Republican Party is no longer a national party. It is a regional one, a party of the South.
Ironic that what was once the Party of Lincoln, hated by the Confederacy is now their pick of political parties.
The latest figures nationally indicate that the public blames the Republican Party for the stagnation in Washington DC. When asked who is doing more to reach bipartisan agreements, the polls put the Republicans in the low 20 percentiles, while Obama gets well over 50 percent. This in the most recent Bloomberg poll. And Democrats still rate higher than Republicans. Republicans are looking at a 70 percent disapproval rating nationally. Democrats are doing about ten points better. In fact Democrats have seen their approval ratings go up since the end of July, while Republicans have seen them drop.
The executive branch currently has a higher favorability than unfavorability rating.
The most important priority the public has is the economy and job creation. But in second place is still health reform. Government spending comes in third. Social issues like gay marriage and abortions are rock bottom, with only 3 percent thinking them inportant, compared to 30 percent for the economy and 21 percent for health reform.
N.J.
September 23rd, 2009
11:47 am
The FEDERAL government cannot amend the constitution. Only the state governments have the power to amend the federal constitution.
No, Hitler didnt “amend” the constitution. He threw out the old one and wrote a new one.
Republicans have pretty much destroyed the nation’s economy. The best period of economic growth occurred when the top tax rates were the highest. The Middle Class was created as a result of those high top marginal tax rates.
Even Herbert Hoover was smart enough to RAISE the top tax rate from 25 to 65 percent in his last year. The Republican was smart enough to know that if you tax personal income at a high rate, the wealthy will not suck it out of businesses, but leave it safely in the form of a factory or plant equipment. Which would have been sold for scrap at the height of the depression if taxes were low.
After a false threat, the Reichstag Fire, Hitler convinced the president of Germany to pass something similar to the Patriot Act, limiting civil liberties, and then pass the “Enabling Act” which gave him a dictatorship.
For that to occur in the United States, the constitution would have to be amended. This requires the vote of the STATE legislatures of 38 states.