Surprise! South isn’t like the rest of the country
Last week, Steve Benen of the Washington Monthly put together an interesting chart using results of a weekly nationwide Research 2000 poll. He took the question “Do you have a favorable view of the Republican Party?” and charted the results by region.
As the Cookie Monster might note, one of these regions is very much not like the other.
While public attitudes toward the GOP are largely positive here in the South, they are very much negative in the rest of the country. Just 7 percent of voters polled in the Northeast think favorably toward the Republican Party, and numbers in the Midwest (13 percent) and West (14 percent) aren’t much better.
Not surprisingly, charting favorability toward the Democrats would produce a mirror image of Benen’s chart. While just 41 percent of voters think favorably of Democrats, and 50 percent perceive it unfavorably, those national numbers vary widely by region. In the Northeast, 62 percent view the Democrats favorably, while just 20 percent do so in the South.
The poll was done for the liberal DailyKos site, which will no doubt taint it in the eyes of some. But the national numbers it produces track closely with other polls, suggesting that it is not an outlier. Nationally, Research 2000 put Barack Obama’s favorability rating at 54 percent, while the average of major polls at Pollster.com puts it at 53.6 percent. (Here in the South, Research 2000 put Obama’s favorability number at just 27 percent, with 67 percent viewing him unfavorably.)
The standard question of whether the country is headed in the right direction or is on the wrong track also suggests the Research 2000 findings are in the mainstream. Its results put the numbers at 40 percent right direction, 54 percent wrong track, while the poll average at Pollster puts it at 38.6 percent right direction, 54 percent wrong track. In other words, the poll “trues up” pretty well.
And yes, we here in the South are considerably more pessimistic about the country’s direction than our fellow Americans. Just 30 percent say we’re headed in the right direction, while 63 percent say we’re on the wrong track.
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mike
September 22nd, 2009
11:51 am
Doggone –
“Thanks for your regular dose of mischaractering RC’s schtick:
Whatever. It is bigoted stereotyping and you know it. You just aren’t offended because you share the same bigoted stereotypes.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
11:52 am
I think it’s pretty clear that HE did state he thought those who opose Obama views,policy’s,etc,was based on him being a black man. He also stated racism was still very prevelant,so if you add those two statements how could conclude otherwise.
For starters, I don’t think it’s a dead horse, we can talk about this.
I think that Carter gets a bit of a kick out of being a news item now and then; he chose his words very carefully and he surely knew that as a former President and life long Southerner, his comments on racial animosity toward Obama were going to be noticed.
But were they really that unreasonable? As someone who naturally feels a bit defensive of the President when he’s attacked from the right (and sometimes from the left–then again, sometimes I’m that guy attacking from the left!) I certainly thought not.
But it’s all about perceptions and feelings, after all; Carter can’t prove that this guy hoisting this ugly sign is necessarily doing so because Obama’s black. If Carter hadn’t added the critical words “I think” then he’d be incorrect–he has no way, generally, of KNOWING what motivates people he doesn’t know personally.
I guess if he’d thrown in a few more hedges he’d have taken a more defensible position. I’ll continue to defend it as being reasonable, although I don’t necessarily agree 100%.
(But then, I’m not an ex-President and life-long Southerner, so what do I know.)
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
11:53 am
Normal,
“Mike does seem to be a bit of a sour tart today, huh?”
Just today?
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
11:53 am
bosch –
“That sounds tasty. I made chutney once, I didn’t mean to….it was just how whatever I made turned into.”
this was intentional, but a little too sweet-and-sour … I usually like a little more going on … next time, I’m adding a little ginger and maybe a chilli pepper …
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
September 22nd, 2009
11:54 am
But Obama’s inability to point to concrete action at home on both fronts — issues where Obama’s proposals have bogged down in Congress – is likely to undercut his bargaining power, and his authority to press other nations to act.
Let’s see here, many of these foreign obozo’s set limits on their own countries, patted themselves on the back, mugged for the cameras, received glowing accolades from their state run media propaganda outlets and then went straight back home and broke those very same limits.
So wtf cares what they think?
duh
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
11:55 am
“The difference between 52% and 48% is 2%. All day long.”
Wrong. The difference between 52% and 48% is 4%…all day long. If you have 2 groups of people, one containing 52 people and the other 48 people…it’s takes 4 people (that’s 4%) to change 52 to 48, and it takes the same number (and percentage) to change 48 to 52.
It does only take 2 people (2%) to make them even at 50/50…but percentagewise that’s not the DIFFERENCE between them.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
11:56 am
It is bigoted stereotyping and you know it.
You read minds now?
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
11:56 am
Bosch-Not trying to argumentative,but we must be listening to different interviews. I have yet to hear the “Radical Fringe Element of Demonstrators and Others……etc” in the interview of which I speak with B.Williams on mnbc.com. It does state what I said above,however. I guess we just deduct differently based on what he said,no biggie.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
11:56 am
Mrs. Godzilla
Yes, he throws like a girl:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/23/obama-to-throw-out-first_n_219885.html
Tossing a basketball thirty feet can be done by any middle school athlete. Bush threw a hard strike across the plate.
“”CINCINNATI — Perhaps it was the pitching practice he got over the weekend or inspiration from the new baseball bat that outfielder Ken Griffey Jr. gave him. President Bush had lots of oomph in his arm to throw out a strong first pitch for the Cincinnati Reds’ home opener.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIiTYfFuAWA
Obama couldn’t throw it hard enough to MAKE IT to the plate.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
11:56 am
“You just aren’t offended because you share the same bigoted stereotypes”
you need to brush up on your mind reading. I don’t actually ever READ his posts, because I find them irritating. so, no, I do NOT “share” his stereotypes.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
11:57 am
Bosch, save me a seat on the plane.Had brunch with Mrs.G so I will have supper with you and USinUK.
USinUK, how bout califlower fried in olive oil and garlic and pepper with a little lemon on it when served! Goes great with spinich.Off Topic
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:00 pm
Scooter … ooooo … cauli … I’m all about the cauli … none in the fridge, though, so it’ll probably be the good ol’ standby: peas.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
12:00 pm
sfd and Hef,
I think of it like this – Carter knows racism he’s seen it. The man is 85? 86? He knows racism, overt and subtle. Dave Matthews said the same thing in an interview I read:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/21/qa.dave.matthews/?imw=Y
And again, from the perspective of a South African – they are going to view racism totally different – like Carter – who grew up in the rural South, ever been to Plains?
Carter is a Fool
September 22nd, 2009
12:00 pm
Still waiting for someone on the Paper to condemn Carter as short sighted for his idea that it is racism that is behind opposition to the takeover of healthcare. Any takers from our fearless communists, err columnists. Even Clintoon distanced himself from Carter’s ramblings.
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
12:00 pm
I also noted that I believed the poll to be skewed as it came from the hyper-partisan Daily Kos. followed by Typical mindless partisan. Keep on bleating!
Such a good little wingnut. Or, to put it another way – Doctor, heal thyself!
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
12:03 pm
Mike, just face it the south is ignorant, racial uneducated country folks who think differently than the rest of the country, and that country is in complete agreement on ALL of the other issues. It is disturbing to us all here that the south is still caught in the racial times of the 1860s.
Don’t you worry that in more than 1 of those poll questions that the south was actually closer to the center(west and midwest) than the NE.
You just remember that the south and its conservative loving, republican loving racist, and hate mongers and their ideals are to blame for all that is wrong. Did I mention that the people from the south think differently than everyone else.
Funny I just wonder how many people on this blog today are from the south?
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:04 pm
“Funny I just wonder how many people on this blog today are from the south?”
born and raised … made my escape when I was 29
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
12:04 pm
Normal @ 11:51 – Debate the message and quit trying to kill the messagers…
But, but, but…that’s the one of the few “weapons” in the wingnuts’ arsenal. They can’t refute the message with DEMONSTRABLE FACTS nor VERIFIABLE TRUTHS, so they go with “kill the messenger” when they can’t incite FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER in everyone.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
12:05 pm
Bisch
Do a little research about Carter before he became Gov. of Georgia. He was a strict segregationist like the other democrats in Georgia. He is very familiar with racists. He are one.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
12:05 pm
SFD-I don’t have any problem with Mr. Carter expressing his views,and I think each of us can accept and create our own thoughts/views based on that.
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
12:06 pm
How would one know if someone is mischaractering another posters schtick, if that same person has NEVER EVER read the schtick?
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
12:07 pm
Hef,
Wrote that 12:00 before I saw your 11:56 – again, he did not in any form say that all who oppose Obama was racist – it’s just not there. He mentioned the fringe element. And I know I’m probably gonna regret writing this because the winggies will yell “Bosch thinks I’m racist” – but I think alot of people are racist on a subconscious level. That does not for one second think that I think all people who oppose Obama are racists, hell, then I’d be one too. But I feel that Carter was talking about the extreme fringe elements out there, that, and the prejudices and feelings we all have on a subconscious level.
I think alot of folks need to really be honest with themselves about why they hate the man. He’s not a socialist, sorry, that’s just not there either, and if it’s not racism, then what? I’m totally open for suggestions.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
12:07 pm
“He are one”
Wrong. He WAS one. You need to brush up on your elementary school level English.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
12:08 pm
Out for a bit – later taters.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
12:08 pm
“if that same person has NEVER EVER read the schtick?”
How is it that my statement “don’t read” got changed to NEVER? I didn’t say I NEVER read them…I said I DON’T READ them. I’ve read enough of them in the PAST to skip over them NOW.
Public Option's A Go
September 22nd, 2009
12:09 pm
The poll painted a vivid picture of the Bookman wingnuts who flock here. Out of touch, extremist Faux Noise fringers.
73 degrees and sunny and only one place in the nation would close schools many hours after a moderate rain, and that place is Atlanta 47th in the SATs and proud to be. Wonder how many stayed home from work at large companies and used the excuse it rained earlier this week?
Kent Contrad, the hooker who can’t deliver for his johns is finding out now what it means to represent less than 1% and the most sparsely populated area of the country. As reporters keep slamming him with the fact that the CBO found coops completely worthless, Conrad says he agreed with the CBO right up until that happened. Dems from places like New York are telling Conrad to bury his stupid idea deep in the North Dakota plains. Coops have failed in every state they’re tried and would insure dominance of the status quo insurance runs medicine market.
Conrad has repeatedly refused to provide any concrete details for his co-ops idea becauswe he’s never seen any work. The two in North Dakota failed years ago, as did the two in Grandma Grassley’s Iowa. They were no competition for large insurance monopolies in both states.
Even the National Cooperative Business Association admits that competition from large private insurance monopolies (only two choices in 94% of the states raising rates 25-30% in five of them 3 weeks ago) drove most of the health insurance co-ops out of business or forced them to abandon the co-op structure. While Group Health Cooperative provides a good quality of care, its premiums are still spiraling out of control.
All the conservatives when not whining about getting their country back (who has it?) keep saying “ah wants what the Congress has.” They assume Congress has free health care. They do not and neither does the President. But they make more money than you do for screwing around and doing little and they take far more vacation time than you did when and if you worked.
The Federal Employee Health Benefits Program. is what Congress and all the federal employees in buidlings around the Russell building and the AJC soon to be abandoned for the perimeter have. The FEHB is a health insurance exchange for federal employees. It does a great job of offering many choices but a terrible job at controlling cost. From 1985-2002 the premiums in the FEHB program grew only 0.1% slower than the rest of the private insurance market. The FEHB does not include a public option.
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
12:10 pm
Bosch, for the record I lived in Americus, which is about 12 min. from plains, and it is actually not that racist of a town.
From my peronal experience, lived in Snellville for 18yrs and Americus 4, I would say people of the metro area see things through color and act accordingly, moreso than those in the Plains region.
Just from someone who has lived there.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
12:10 pm
“but I think alot of people are racist on a subconscious level.”
and I don’t agree…but I would agree that a lot of people are bigots on a subconscious level.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
12:10 pm
USinUK
**made my escape when I was 29**
I’m glad you made it out, like most of the other segregationists. It is a lot nicer here since the integrationist Republicans have been in charge. We are still trying to get rid of the segregationist “Great Society” but for some reason, the failing and corrupt city of Atlanta is still being run by segregationist democrats that couldn’t add two and two if their life depended on it.
So the city will continue to crash and burn like every other place that the dims run. .
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:11 pm
Nothing is Free –
12:05 – what a load of bollocks:
http://www.oxfordtoday.ox.ac.uk/2007-08/v20n1/02.shtml
“My mother ignored the mores and customs of racial segregation, and I think she planted in me similar feelings.’ Carter’s first political campaign, running for the Georgia State Senate, was in opposition to segregation in schools. When he became Governor – succeeding the segregationist Lester Maddox – he instigated an equal rights policy, appointing African Americans to posts from which they had previously been excluded.”
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:13 pm
NiF –
“like most of the other segregationists”
cute.
nah. I just like living in places were we can buy beer on Sunday.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
12:13 pm
Doggone/GA
So he was a racist. And Robert Byrd “WAS” a member of the KKK.
But they both are praised like a God to the segregationist dims. You must be very proud.
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
12:14 pm
Sorry doggone, but your statement was ever read I added the never. But how could you have read enough of them in the past if you and I quote said…….
“you need to brush up on your mind reading. I don’t actually ever READ his posts, because I find them irritating. so, no, I do NOT “share” his stereotypes.”
What is that 13th word again? Looks like ever. Seems as if one says that they don’t ever do something… is it not logical to say that they never do that same thing?
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
12:14 pm
Elsewhere
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:14 pm
Doggone –
“Wrong. He WAS one. You need to brush up on your elementary school level English.”
actually, no he wasn’t.
Morningstar
September 22nd, 2009
12:15 pm
To answer your question about Republican vs. Wingnut – I’ll give you an example:
Colin Powell – Republican
Nothing is Free – Wingnut
ter your comments here
Great example! Most of us probably know some Repubs who voted for President Obama as opposed to McCain. IMHO, Powell is a true statesman who will support whomever he deems to be best for the country. Granted he’s made some mistakes, and has admitted as much, but he’s obviously not in the ‘wingnut’ league.
Wonder if he’d (Powell) have supported McCain, had McCain chosen someone other than a Caribou Barbie as his vice?
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
12:16 pm
Bosch-I’m 50 and I think I know what racism is also.I believe you and most here know what racism is. I think Mr. Carter knew what he was saying and knew that it would create the stir that it did. I think it’s also not correct for him to do so.Mr. Carter while President convinced Egypt & Israel to come together,what he said in that interview did the exact opposite in regards to race relations in the U.S. These are just my opinions of course.
Nothing is Free
September 22nd, 2009
12:16 pm
USinUK
**nah. I just like living in places were we can buy beer on Sunday**
So you moved to another country to buy beer. Got it.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
12:16 pm
UsinUK: I remember in South Georgia, the schools had Four H clubs and the triple K would use them to recruit
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
12:19 pm
but I think alot of people are racist on a subconscious level.
well yeah. You and me, too.
I think of myself as a recovering racist, recovering homophobe, recovering sexist. Being a member of a group that had claimed and held a position of superiority for centuries, it’s something bred into me, that I have to resist. Doesn’t matter how devoutly opposed to racial prejudice my own parents may have been–it’s bigger than that.
I don’ t know why this is especially controversial, but some people get kind of upset when you point it out.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
12:24 pm
Here is a thought for y’all…It spoke to me, just sayin’
Southern Attitudes…The South is deeper than the sterotypacal veneer, ya know?
“…to a considerable population of folks this is as much about grits, greens and hog jowls, yes sir and no ma’am, the Southern Baptist faith, Jeffersonian democracy and Lockeian principles as it is anything else. It’s about blues, jazz, country-western, gospel and rock-and-roll. It’s about William Faulkner, Richard Wright, Tennessee Williams, Eudora Welty and Shelby Foote. It’s about O Brother Where Art Thou. It’s about peanut butter and pioneer open heart surgery. It’s about the 14 Points of Versailles and the Marshall Plan. It’s about Mardi Gras and river boat gamblers, county line juke joints, Spoleto and the Lauren Rogers Museum…”
USinUK
September 22nd, 2009
12:25 pm
NiF –
“So you moved to another country to buy beer. Got it.”
wow. did it cost a lot to have your sense of humor removed? or were you just born without one??? (I’m sure there’s a plaid-colored ribbon for that or something …)
Normal –
“the schools had Four H clubs and the triple K would use them to recruit”
I remember the K-cubed marching in Kennesaw, having upgraded their outfits from sheets to fatigues … that’s when I knew it was time to get the hell out of the ‘burbs and move into the city …
anyhoo … heading home … night all …
El Jefe
September 22nd, 2009
12:26 pm
It is very simple. The south has fewer closed shop states. The region is mostly “Right to Work” states. That way the Unions are not inserted into every aspect of our lives. It is also the reason so many foreign auto makes are settling in the South.
More freedom, more conservative.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
12:27 pm
SFD-I agree 100% I think that there is a smidgen of racism in everyone.I also think accepting that notion and how one deals with it defines each of us.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
12:28 pm
To answer your question about Republican vs. Wingnut – I’ll give you an example:
Colin Powell – Republican
Nothing is Free – Wingnut
Republicans
William F. Buckley
Kathleen Parker
Wingnut Extremists-all the commenters here who don’t support the Dems
People with the same old platitutdes they copy from Faux and Red State–all the commenters here who don’t support the dems
People who have nothing substantive to say about healthcare reform or any detail–all the commenters here who are against any changes
People who are not rich but love to see the insurance companies take 25% of their income–all the commenters here who are birthers/tenthers/birchers and want the government to control you when it’s one of their initiatives like controlling the relationship between a pregnant woman and her doctor, and then throwing the baby away and cutting off any health benefits for that baby when its born
People who are wingnuts here think that a proposed Tenth Amendment law by a few wingnutsin the Georgia legislature has any more chance in the federal appelate courts than the Titanic has of wining a sailing race
People who are wingnuts here think the civil war will happen again and it’ll be just like a Georgia Florida game
People who are wingnuts here like Kay Baily Hutcheson think that Afghanistan is “simple” as she said last night–”We’re fightin’ them over theah so they can’t come heah”
What shuts her up quickly is when someone asks her when she’ll introduce a draft so that her children can go to Afghanistan. It shuts up all the Repubozos who think we should pour way more troups into Afghanistan.
What shuts them up quickly is when you ask them where the 400-500 thousand troops needed to protect Afghanistan will come from since NATO says nothing doing and their troops are like 1/10 of a troop and National Guard is getting depleted and on their 4th tours with broken homes and crippled people strewn across this country.
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
12:30 pm
I stated — between two choices. Obama vs others.
No you didn’t. You said:
Your wildly popular President got 2.92% of the vote more than the old guy who picked the dumb broad to run with
Obama got 9,700,477 votes more than McCain. That 9,700,477 difference represents 7.4% of the total votes cast.
stands for decibels
September 22nd, 2009
12:32 pm
“Right to Work” states.
Had Orwell only lived to hear that one…
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
12:34 pm
Nothing is Free
OH NOES! He didn’t toss a burning 95 mph fastball! Bet you can’t either!
By the way, being a girl myself, I know how girls throw. That wasn’t it.
What’s next Nothing is Free…..dazzle us with some nana nana boo boo?
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
12:35 pm
“is it not logical to say that they never do that same thing?”
You’re confusing the present tense READ, with the past tense READ.
I don’t READ (present tense) his posts because Ihave READ (past tense) enough of them to find them irritating.
I don’t ever READ them (now) because I have READ them in the past and found them irritating.
Got it? I didn’t say – as you falsely stated – that I NEVER Read (past tense) them.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
12:36 pm
“actually, no he wasn’t”
I stand corrected!
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
September 22nd, 2009
12:37 pm
“Surprise! South isn’t like the rest of the country”, PRAISE G-D that is is different than the rest of the country. Certainly different that the northeast where men marry other men – or for that matter, Chicago, from whence, as if a venereal disease, ACORN sprung from a city that once had broad shoulders – or for that matter, California where the liberals have spent a once great state into bankruptcy and disrepair – and most of all, Washington DC, where a crackhead can be elected to city council, where Teddy Kennedy is not considered a partisan, and decent American folk are looked down upon and ridiculed by an effete liberal elite class of leaches.PRAISE G-D that the southland is still like Texas and Oklahoma, G-d fearing – still like Kansas and Nebraska, filled with people who are willing to subjugate their individual desires and need to an America is G-D’s greatest gift, after the Christ, to mankind.
To the rest of America, I say, “You’re queer – I’m here – please stay there.
Until 2012 when Palin/Liz Cheney sets that which is wrong, right.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
12:38 pm
However you look at it Obama kicked the Sh*t out of the Old Guy and his lame choice of VP. If it had been a little league baseball game the 10 run rule would’ve been applied after the 2nd inning.
Matilda
September 22nd, 2009
12:38 pm
Normal, good one at 12:24!
I Don't No
September 22nd, 2009
12:47 pm
You know, folks down in New Orleans are lookin’ up this way and wonderin’ ’bout a few things. Like, don’t y’all know to get out of town when there’s a flood about to break out over the levees (that would be the equivalent of the banks of the rivers and creeks, etc.). They’re also wondering if they’re gonna have to make room for a bunch of immigrants from Atlanta (especially places like Cobb and Gwinnett and Cherokee and Douglas counties). If so, they just need a few years notice so they can get the FEMA trailers lined up and connected to water and power. Sewage hookups are extra. One final thing, they say that you shouldn’t be expecting any help from the Fed because you really need to be more self sufficient. Call your local church instead. Oh yes, there will be another tea party this weekend. Bring your own tea bags and something to boil the water with. Be there or be square.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
12:53 pm
Blogging Senate Finance Markup
http://www.slate.com/id/2229192/
Dick's Armey
September 22nd, 2009
12:55 pm
Where did everybody go. Hey, I got mine. Stand with me on this. Hello. Hello… hellooooooooo.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
12:55 pm
I thought the levees broke in Atlanta; that’s why they called off schools on a sunny day with temp at 73.
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
12:56 pm
Matilda, thanks…I am a Georgia Citizen by accident. I was born in Kentucky to I’m a natural neutralist, with KY being neutral in the War of Northern Aggression. Dad moved us to Georgia around ‘56, when he as transferred to Fort Stewart. It was the first time I had to deal with Jim Crow and it perplexed me and, I might add, got me into a few fights.
We retired (Dad) and moved to Atlanta, while he worked at Fort Mac. For two years, I had a room that was mine and not the Army’s.
The point I am trying to make is that for most of my life I have been a tumbleweed. All over europe during the occupation after WWII and 20 some odd year in the Navy, cruising the Pacific. I am only back in Georgia now because my Mom and my Sister are still here. And I will admit to you that all of the ugly sterotypes was all I saw for years.
The persecution of a race seem so unamerican, you know.
But I have a dear friend who has opened my eyes to the rich overall
heritage of the South. There is good and bad in everything, but what I
wrote above truly moved me. I confess that is not mine, but I wish it was. Sorry to ramble on like that
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
12:59 pm
Last night during his CBS interview with Katie Couric, Glenn Beck said he may have voted for Hillary Clinton and that “John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama.”
The world gonna end now. If the Atlanta flood worse than Katrina doesn’t drown you today, then Beck’s statement’ll kill ya.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:00 pm
Hef,
I’m 41 – and thankfully in my years I’ve seen very little overt racism – but my parents and grandparents? Not so much my dad, cause he makes me look like Andy, but my mom still pshaws inter-racial couples although she’d be the first to bake either of them a casserole if either were sick or needed help. My grandparents were just all out with their racism.
Like sfd said, I’m a recovering a whole lotta things, I just realized that we are all human beings and as I’ve gotten older I’ve realized that I have absolutely no business to judge anyone, regardless of anything they do.
Your 12:27? Couldn’t agree more. I’ve noted my distinct prejudice against dumb asses before, and I’m still working on it.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:03 pm
Hef,
I just thought of something: if there were a Socialist scale, 1 being lowest to 10 being the highest? My dad would be a 10.
He’s also agnostic. My parents are like opposite ends of the spectrum – no wonder I’m warped!!!
toll booth operator
September 22nd, 2009
1:03 pm
With all these washed out bridges and roads and no money to rebuild them, does this mean that the Republicans are going to finally have their way and put toll booths up all over the place. I sure hope so ’cause I could sure use the overtime.
Public Option's A Gol
September 22nd, 2009
1:04 pm
Baucus and CMS (Medicare on the street) make legal threat to muzzle insurance companies
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/baucus-muzzles-misleading_n_294782.html
Enjoy your school vacation day and don’t let the rain drown ya. I can hardly see out the window it’s comin’ down so hard.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:04 pm
Public Option,
He said that because he knows his show is going down the toilet.
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:06 pm
toll booth operator,
Never fear! Sonny is here! I just heard an interview on the news where he’s asking for federal emergency funds – damn Socialist.
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
1:07 pm
All this talk about BHO’s “pitching” skills.
Look, GWB could throw a ball 60 feet, 6 inches. But he could also f up everything he touched.
And I still contend that MLB’s big wigs and owners like Bud Selig should be water boarded for letting that major league (get it?) screw up Georgie get out of baseball and into politics.
It’s too late for that other GOP sycophant Ueberroth, but hopefully he’s playing catch with Satan…
Normal
September 22nd, 2009
1:08 pm
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:06 pm
toll booth operator,
Never fear! Sonny is here! I just heard an interview on the news where he’s asking for federal emergency funds – damn Socialist.
Bosch, Sonny just wants to get his before he leaves in 2110, don’t cha know…
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
September 22nd, 2009
1:11 pm
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
1:07 pm
For once we agree. Considering Obumbler’s “pitching” skills is a waste of time – one look at the 10 inched neck gomer and you can tell he’s a “catcher” not a “pitcher.”
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:12 pm
Normal,
In that news report I just heard, they were reporting that most of the people who will be receiving money don’t have insurance. I just can’t believe it! Those people should have KNOWN better!
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:14 pm
I think to be eligible for emergency funds you have to sign an anti-secession waiver……
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
1:14 pm
An Updated Version
During the past year!!!
Even if you aren’t a sports fan this is very interesting!
36 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
3 have done time for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 currently are defendants in lawsuits,
And,
84 have been arrested for drunk driving
In the last year
Can
You guess which organization this is?
NBA Or NFL
?
Give up yet?
Scroll down,
Neither,
it’s the 535 members of the
United States Congress
The same group that cranks out
Hundreds of new laws each year
Designed to keep the rest of us in line.
You
Gotta pass this one on!
Next year November 2nd, 2010 we need to replace all of them, 100%.
I just got an email from a friend that I would like to share with y’ll. Can anyone tell me how to post it here?
Jack
September 22nd, 2009
1:19 pm
What bothers me is the fact that Bookman actually reads DailyKos.
Jill
September 22nd, 2009
1:21 pm
Jack
September 22nd, 2009
1:19 pm
What bothers me is the fact that Bookman actually reads DailyKos.
And, you read Bookman. So, where do we go from here.
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
1:22 pm
Scooter, I’m quite sure that Andy could give you pointers on how to cut-n-paste…
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
1:22 pm
Bosch-My family has very different views on race. Mom,Dad,& sister racist to the core,other siblings open minded. Even my EXTREMELY BEAUTIFULL wife to be who is african american as I have stated hear many times calls me a closet racist, in jest. I to TRY not to judge people just actions,but sometimes I fail. I still have alot to learn,and enjoy working on myself(never ending project)
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:24 pm
Jack
Why would it bother you that a journalist reads Kos?
Is it because Kos used to be a republican?
Or because he served in the US Aremed forces?
Is it because he holds multiple degrees?
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
1:25 pm
Jack @ 1:19 – You could have stopped after 10 words and summed up most wingnuts’ “issues” with Jay as well as anyone who doesn’t agree with their views.
Scooter
September 22nd, 2009
1:26 pm
GGG, thanks, if he shows back up I will ask him!
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:26 pm
Hef
Good post! Aren’t we all works in process?
I am having trouble getting over my “norwegian” prejudices….
jconservative
September 22nd, 2009
1:27 pm
For those of you interested – Electoral and popular votes 2008:
Barack Obama Democratic 365 66,862,039
John McCain Republican 173 58,319,442
margin 192 8,542,597
The popular vote margin does not matter, the 2012 Republican ticket can pick that up by increasing margin in the southern tier.
The problem is the electoral vote. The 2012 ticket must pick up states
that McCain did not carry. But the demographics in those states do not favor a Republican candidate. In 2008 the Republicans lost all demographic groups but whites and over 60 (and the over 60 is getting smaller every day).
The Republican candidate in 2012 needs to be someone who appeals across those demographic lines.
AmVet
September 22nd, 2009
1:27 pm
Byll, apparently he’s a hoopster!
I remember when we had real men in the White House. Who actually valued and advocated for physical fitness for America’s youth…
Bosch
September 22nd, 2009
1:31 pm
Hef,
Yes, as Mrs. G stated – we are all works in progress. As I’ve stated before the only true facts in the world is that we were all born and we will all die – the rest is a matter of perspective.
As the wise Jedi Obi Wan said, “Only Siths speak in absolutes.” And we ALL know how evil Dick Cheney, oops, I mean Siths are!
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
1:33 pm
Bosch@1:03-Admitting it (warped) is the first step to recovery,Ha. Seriously,How do you know you’re the warped one? Could be the others that are warped!
Surprise
September 22nd, 2009
1:36 pm
Surprise — yet another term “tax” re-defined by PresBO !!!!! Anyone keeping track of PresBO’s new definitions????
According to Barack Obama, requiring everyone to carry health insurance … and making them pay a fine if they don’t … is not a tax increase.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:37 pm
Hef
My High School psychology nun said the folks who are truly insane
are those who never question their own sanity.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
1:37 pm
Ms Godzilla-Ha I liked that! When I stop wanting to improve myself,is the day the Big Guy hopefully asks me to join him.
GayGrayGeek
September 22nd, 2009
1:37 pm
Surprise, if it wasn’t a “tax” when the Mittster did it in Massachusetts, it’s not a tax now. No surprise, a’tall.
Hef
September 22nd, 2009
1:39 pm
lunchtime
Sighko
September 22nd, 2009
1:40 pm
When you guys secede you can keep our retired grandparents, but please don’t take Orlando. The whole world would hate to see Disney World and Universal turned into creationist theme parks.
Northern Songs, Ltd.
September 22nd, 2009
1:40 pm
jconservative “(and the over 60 is getting smaller every day).” sigh. wrong, as usual.
http://www.johnsimonds.com/2005/10/more-on-maturing-workforce-of-the-population-over-60/
United States
Percent of population aged 60 and above in 1980: approx. 16.07%
Percent of population aged 60 and above in 2000: approx. 16.27%
Percent of population aged 60 and above in 2005: approx. 16.81%
Percent of population aged 60 and above in 2010: approx. 18.41%
Percent of population aged 60 and above in 2025: approx. 24.21%
Kamchak
September 22nd, 2009
1:41 pm
jconservative
Your figures do not match those at http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2008/popular-vote.html
Mrs. Godzilla, Bosch–”we are all works in progress.” I will always be agin’ Man. U. and Liverpool—Just sayin’.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
1:41 pm
“According to Barack Obama, requiring everyone to carry health insurance … and making them pay a fine if they don’t … is not a tax increase”
Are the insurance premiums you pay NOW a tax?
Curious Observer
September 22nd, 2009
1:44 pm
Oh, put a sock in it! I grew up at a time when the N-word was commonplace in discussions within and between families. And when people in northern Virginia faced the prospect of forced integration in the schools, they actually moved their kids to my area to live with grandma and grandpa or an uncle or an aunt, for the place where I grew up didn’t have a black person who lived within 50 square miles. Many years later, the terminology in the area changed and we heard platitudes about how we’re all alike beneath the skin and how important equal opportunity is. But guess what? Those same people go to the polls and vote just as they always did. Their words changed, but their attitudes never did. If you are incapable of acknowledging that you are imbued with racist attitudes that you must work all your life to overcome, some of them reflexive, there’s no hope for you.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:45 pm
I pay tax to State Farm and Nationwide……
Surprise
September 22nd, 2009
1:48 pm
A bit more from Hogue –
The best follow-up this morning was printed (again) in the Wall Street Journal, “It turns out that the President thinks a health-care tax is not a tax if he thinks the tax is for your own good.”
Now this is exactly what Sacramento suffers from; in the Belly of the Beast we’ve heard this from the majority party for the past ten years. Every piece of new legislation that attaches ‘new fees’ for the general budget is a tax…that really isn’t a tax because the majority party of California ‘believes’ it is for your own good.
For California folks; ‘been there done that’ was the reply after George’s final commercial toss exiting the interview.
For my fellow ex-patriot here, a suggestion; it might be time for George Stenphanopoulous to use Wikipedia versus Webster. It seems like the true definitions of words are evolving each day. With each new piece of “Hope and Change” comes a new revelation of what we – the citizens of the country – really need, and how government has decided to describe them
thomas
September 22nd, 2009
1:50 pm
Insurance premiums are a choice, not a forceable act issued by the government.
Taxes not so much.
I do not go to jail if i don’t pay my insurance.
Northern Songs, Ltd.
September 22nd, 2009
1:53 pm
thomas — not YET you don’t.
Mrs. Godzilla
September 22nd, 2009
1:59 pm
That there Eric Hogue?
Boortz wanna’ be – only more christianist.
Doggone/GA
September 22nd, 2009
2:00 pm
“Insurance premiums are a choice, not a forceable act issued by the government”
Even when you are REQUIRED to have it? Like liability insurance for your car, or flood insurance for your mortgage?
“I do not go to jail if i don’t pay my insurance”
It’s prefectly possible to live in such a manner that you owe no taxes. Why don’t you try it sometime?
Disgusted
September 22nd, 2009
2:02 pm
I do not go to jail if i don’t pay my insurance.
Well, it depends. You can very well go to jail if you don’t carry liability insurance and you get caught driving on the roads without it. And nobody knows yet what the penalty would be if you refuse to pay the fine for not carrying mandatory health insurance. That still wouldn’t make the fine a tax, any more than premiums for mandatory auto insurance are a tax.