Rail will come ‘when Georgia gets its act together’

Ray LaHood, the U.S. secretary of transportation, was asked Monday whether high-speed rail would ever come to Atlanta.

“It’ll come to Atlanta if Georgia gets its act together,” LaHood said, using words that came across more blunt in person than they do on the page.

In a later interview, LaHood revised and extended that remark, suggesting that the state has yet to get its act together in other ways as well.

“I think that’s true of transit too,” he said. “There has to be a commitment by state government that transit is important,” implying that in Georgia it isn’t.

According to LaHood, he took that same message into a 40-minute private meeting with Gov. Sonny Perdue Monday.

LaHood is a former Republican congressman, serving 14 years in the U.S. House until he was appointed by President Obama to lead the Department of Transportation. The change in administrations has come at a time when the country is already being forced to rethink both its high consumption of energy and a housing industry that was founded largely on suburban and exurban expansion.

Those changes are also having an effect on debate in Congress, which has begun to draft a new national transportation strategy. That strategy is expected to contain a much stronger commitment to transit and rail and a recognition that to maximize efficiency, transportation investments must be linked to land use.

In fact it’s striking, listening to LaHood and others debating transportation strategy at the national level, just how out of sync Georgia’s leadership has become on such issues.

While LaHood talked of the role of well-planned transportation projects in “creating neighborhoods that people want to live in and where businesses want to locate in,” our leading Republican candidate for governor talks of using transportation to destroy such neighborhoods in east Atlanta.

While Georgia transportation officials propose putting expensive tolls on existing interstate lanes, LaHood questions the fairness of asking taxpayers to pay again for infrastructure that they’ve already paid for once.

And while Georgia lawmakers balk at any step that might shift taxing and spending power from state officials to metropolitan areas, LaHood and others discuss changes that would allow federal transportation money to flow directly to metropolitan planning districts, such as the Atlanta Regional Commission, bypassing state transportation departments.

In his comments, LaHood tried hard not to criticize Georgia policy makers directly. “I’m not going to pretend to tell Georgia what to do,” he said repeatedly.

But rather than criticize the lack of planning and support for high-speed rail in Georgia, he offered examples of regions elsewhere that “get it.”
“The Northeast (high-speed rail) corridor has its act together,” LaHood said. “The Midwest corridor has its act together. The governors there have set aside their own egos and their own ambitions” to work together on bringing high-speed rail to those regions.

LaHood made no mention of the stark contrast to the Southeast, where our governors are too busy posturing to discuss resolution of the ongoing water wars, let alone high-speed rail.

However, he did note that in his travels around the country, he’s been struck by how often the pressure to change course and do things differently has been generated by the public rather than by elected leaders.

Every region, every state has to decide which approach best suits its needs, he said. Some communities will make a commitment and investment to passenger rail and high-speed rail, while others will not.

“If the people of Atlanta think it’s OK to sit in traffic for an hour and a half on the way to a doctor’s appointment, so be it,” LaHood said.

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I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
5:11 pm

Go to Chicago, notice the choo choos that run in every direction and then make notice of the fact that the expressways are still jammed to the hilt and most people ride everywhere in taxis.

Can we please do it right the next time, stacking roads on top of roads if we have to?

The train don’t go but so far.

dbm

September 21st, 2009
5:34 pm

To I Report/You Whine: How about doing it right in the future by extablishing separation of state and transportation?

Mason Hicks

September 21st, 2009
5:42 pm

In Chicago, notice that while the highways and taxis may be full, so are the trains, Els, and subways. These trains carry hundreds of thousands of Chicagoans to their jobs and routines every day. Take those trains away from the equation, and see what you’re left with. Hundreds of thousands of ADDITIONAL cars trying to fit into highways which as you correctly state, are already “jammed to the hilt”. I guarantee that it woulbn’t be pretty. Take a look at New York or Chicago during a transit strike for an example. Daily business routine and commerce completely shuts down. That’s exacly why such strikes don’t last very long. That is also precisely where we are heading if we stay on the ‘all roads’ course that we are currently on.

Maybe “the train don’t go but so far”, as, you say; but in New York or Chicago, (and other major cities as well), take it away, and no one is going anywhere…

Bob

September 21st, 2009
5:49 pm

It’s all republicans fault, before Sonny was elected, traffic jams were only in LA. In fact, has anyone driven in LA, Chicago or New York City ?
I have and it sucks, but LaHood singles out the south. How many more Trillions would it be to implement all the rail plans on the table ? It’s a good thing we did not build that outer perimeter or LaHood might put Sonny on double secret probation.

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
6:01 pm

Georgia has not hand it’s act together since Bookman’s first day here, and it will never have its act together. The only rail is the one to ride Sonny out on.

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
6:02 pm

Let’s get clear. If it weren’t for ACORN, Georgia would have an exemplary transportation system. It already has an exemplary legislature.

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
6:05 pm

Racism kept MARTA from going where it should have gone in North Fulton and Gwinette, and racism has kept the bozoheads in the JawJaw legislature like Jill Chambers (whose big butt is enconsed in her Black SUV at all times) crippling MARTA year after year.

Taxpayer

September 21st, 2009
6:05 pm

“If the people of Atlanta think it’s OK to sit in traffic for an hour and a half on the way to a doctor’s appointment, so be it,” LaHood said.

I guess that sums up the feelings of the majority of Georgia voters. Otherwise, you’d think that they’d vote for change instead of more of the same. LaHood probably could have gotten Perdue’s attention if he had said something about plans to run a rail line down by his “gone fishing” sign although I was thinkin’ that a line from Columbus to Atlanta might work as well so we can transport those new Kia’s to the car lots faster.

Hef

September 21st, 2009
6:06 pm

In NY regardless of taxi’s,train’s you don’t go anywhere, so to say hi-speed rail is the answer I think needs to be re-thought.

Dan White

September 21st, 2009
6:06 pm

Just lokk how successful Amtrak is. wait..

Taxpayer

September 21st, 2009
6:07 pm

Take those trains away from the equation, and see what you’re left with.

What? The future Atlanta.

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
6:09 pm

Sounds like someone told former Congressman LaHood that Georgia is largely composed of white racist hicks. He must have seen some of Jack Kingston’s recent Czar sound bytes.

The Repubozotards in Congress and the two in the Senate have done zero to advance transportation in Georgia and Issacson keeps talking about a pie in the sky scheme that will never see the light of day in his lifetime.

thebob.bob

September 21st, 2009
6:11 pm

LaHood is right. Georgia doesn’t get it. Noting the comments above suggesting that you should not build light rail because the roads are still clogged. By that argument you shouldn’t build more roads because they just fill up with more cars. It’s about moving people and having options. If gas (scarcity, higher taxes, global warming) gets expensive and there’s no alternative to cars, then what? If there are no housing options besides a sprawling, car-dependent suburbia, then what? What the rest of the country gets, and Georgia doesn’t, is that you put the people, the businesses and the economy at risk when you have no options.

Good luck sitting in traffic in an air-conditioned S.U.V. when gas is $6/gal.

Taxpayer

September 21st, 2009
6:13 pm

It’s a good thing we did not build that outer perimeter or LaHood might put Sonny on double secret probation

What you talkin’ ’bout, Willis! Just give it time.

NON-aging, underemployed Fox stooge

September 21st, 2009
6:13 pm

Hey Whiner consipirator, Bob, here’s a thought: let’s have a debate about the merits of big-city American mass transit versus Sunbelt-style sit-on-your-hands while region smothers in traffic and money is funneled to money to highway developers. That’s so fruitful. And so original. I mean, it’s obviously never been discussed before you know?

Liberal Convert

September 21st, 2009
6:14 pm

My bebes are trivialized. I mean serialized. I mean traumatized. When is obama going to come give us fema cards?

Daedalus

September 21st, 2009
6:18 pm

Last week the AJC published an op-ed piece by Lee Biola of Citizens for Progressive Transit where he told our neighbors ‘up north’just where they could stick their innovative transit funding laws.

The funny thing was he wasn’t talking about Chicago or New York. He was talking about North Carolina and Tennessee. Tennessee for crying out loud!!! I don’t think you can still link to the AJC op-ed piece, but the CPT website does have a summary of the North Carolina and Tennessee transit funding laws — see http://www.cfpt.org/ .

The reality is that the GOP controls the executive and legislative branches of government in Georgia and that means we will never have any progress on transit, or even allow counties to band together to tax themselves to build transit, roads, sidewalks or anything (except boat ramps).

You see the state legislature wants to control the tax revenues from metro Atlanta so they can spend them in Hahira, Rome, Valdosta, etc., etc. Antwhere but metro Atlanta. Besides, the Georgia GOP doesn’t do infrastructure. I cannot find a single major transportation project started by Sonny Perdue in meto Atlanta. That includes roads. All the big projects (the 316 interchange, etc.) were started before Governor “Pray for Rain and Build Us Some Boat Ramps Yee Haw” turned the Governor’s Mansion into the place where all good ideas go to die.

And before anyone brings it up, turning HOV lanes into Lexus Lanes is not exactly an innovative congestion relief project and will have a minimal impact on congestion. Even though those lanes are already built, GDOT hasn’t been able to pull that off and they’ve been talking about it for 8 years now. The HOV lane to Lexus Lane project is about as lame as Sonny’s “let’s synchronize traffic lights” solution to metro Atlanta’s traffic during his first election campaign.

Only problem is that there aren’t traffic lights on the interstate.

D’oh!

Hef

September 21st, 2009
6:18 pm

thebob.bob-Was’nt the same type of logic used with the expansion’s of marta over the last 20 years? Not sayin I enjoy readin war & peace on my way back & forth to work everyday,but will fast transit help much when majority of people live within 15 miles of work?

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
6:18 pm

Houston, in fact, is one of a handful of cities that has been able to slow its congestion growth by concentrating on more roads, the study found.

“Areas that build more roads (on pace with) their traffic growth have less increase in congestion, or slow the increase in congestion,” said Tim Lomax, co-author of the study. “That says building more roads does make a difference.”

Um, duh.

NON-aging, underemployed Fox stooge

September 21st, 2009
6:21 pm

Hey Whiner conspirator, why don’t you try shutting your Fox-stooge trap and listen to Daedalus. He’s right on target. Right. On.

NON-aging, underemployed Fox stooge

September 21st, 2009
6:23 pm

By the way, I just typed “he” for Daedalus, but it could just as well be a she for all I know …

Taxpayer

September 21st, 2009
6:30 pm

Here in Georgia, we start out with a little one-lane horse and buggy gravel road and build subdivisions up and down its length. Then, everything that is done to that one-lane road reduces congestion. Duhhhhh.

Jay

September 21st, 2009
6:31 pm

Reporter, would that be the same Houston that just broke ground on two new light-rail lines expected to create 25,000 jobs, the same Houston where ridership on existing light-rail lines already exceeds projections for 2020?

The Houston that is at the epicenter of the U.S. petroleum industry, yet is building transit rapidly and efficiently?

THAT Houston?

Daedalus

September 21st, 2009
6:36 pm

Phoenix light rail line exceeds ridership expectations:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/us/20rail.html?_r=1

Even the King City of Sprawl has built a light rail line. I like the quote from the representative from the conservative Goldwater Institute when asked about her group’s prediction that the rail line would be a flop: “We don’t dwell” on that.

Course not. That would mean admitting you were wrong. Of course, they do think that the light rail should not be subsidized. You know, like highways and roads aren’t subsidized. Except they are. Oops. Wrong again.

Paul

September 21st, 2009
6:44 pm

[[Ray LaHood, the U.S. secretary of transportation, was asked Monday whether high-speed rail would ever come to Atlanta.

“It’ll come to Atlanta if Georgia gets its act together,” LaHood said]]

So I guess the simple answer is ‘No’?

piggyback on Jay’s 6:31: well do I remember when Tom DeLay pulled approved funding for Houston transit, noting he wasn’t aware of any data showing strong support by the people for such projects. It sticks in my mind as I was amazed this was the only time I heard DeLay speak of making a decision based upon data…. when it was something he didn’t want.

Then again, we had a few articles about where DeLay got a bunch of campaign contributions from. It wasn’t rail. But road construction and cement companies and others…

Taxpayer

Answered downstairs. What I think your question might be. As it’s so elusive to get you to clearly state a question. Let alone answer one. But I tried asking again. Went from multiple choice to two possibilities (three if you answer ‘maybe’).

See? I’m an optimist! I think it’s possible you may answer a direct question!!!

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
6:46 pm

Sounds like Houston is fixin to find out the hard way, don’t it?

Hey, at least they won’t be stuck on the expressways watching the empty train roll by.

jconservative

September 21st, 2009
6:48 pm

We will not get hi speed rail in Georgia because rail lines bring “those” people out to where “we” people live.

Hef

September 21st, 2009
6:50 pm

Just wonderin,are’nt the majority of folks that use mass transit here in the ATL without any other modes of transportation?

GayGrayGeek

September 21st, 2009
6:54 pm

Jay, you silly goose. After all this time, and you want Andy to acknowledge DEMONSTRABLE FACTS as well as VERIFIABLE TRUTHS?

Silly. Just silly. Haven’t you figured out, by now, that there is no breeze moving the windmills of his mind?

Jay

September 21st, 2009
6:57 pm

I doubt it, Hef. Otherwise the parking lot at my local MARTA station wouldn’t be full to overflowing every morning.

Normal

September 21st, 2009
6:58 pm

I consider trains “the other white meat” in transportation, and I would like to see a national railway system complete with coast to coast high speed non stop monorail systems and electric train coast to coast for vacationers or business people where time isn’t an issue. Trains like the “Nancy Hanks” were wonderful in their day and should be brought back. A good running train system would be a great benefit for this country in jobs, taxes, etc. And besides, if you haven’t done it, there is nothing like making love in your private sleeper, going clickity, clak, clickity clak…just sayin’ ;-)

Jay

September 21st, 2009
6:59 pm

Well, Reporter, every evening as I head home on MARTA I glance out the window at I-85-75 and marvel at the long, unbroken line of brake lights moving very slowly.

Ten minutes later, I’m home cracking open a beer. And those people on the Interstate might have hit 14th Street by then.

Hef

September 21st, 2009
7:01 pm

Jay-According to Washington Post (I could’nt find anything at AJC.com) the percentage is 45% of transit riders do not have any other mode of transportation. My guess of MAJORITY was incorrect.

Paul

September 21st, 2009
7:02 pm

Another Texas comparison: DFW-Ft Worth metro area local gov’ts cooperate on mass transit. Local authorities told state reps the people were willing to fund tax increases to pay for it. State legislature wouldn’t allow it. Said from their vantage, people didn’t want more taxes so they wouldn’t let them vote.

Democracy at its finest.

I’m voting for Anybody But the Incumbent next time around.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
7:05 pm

GayGrayFreak- It’s a DEMONSTRABLE FACT as well as VERIFIABLE TRUTH that only 5% of the population uses rail as a form of transportation.

Wanna guess what percentage use automobiles, fruitcake?

Which is why bookman advocates for the choo choo, he hates prosperity because it harms the planet, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Paul

September 21st, 2009
7:05 pm

Correction: one mass transit line did get approved and funded.

Local city added three new convention centers to the two already there.

Locals won’t work for convention center wages, so they need a transit line to bring in people who will work for those wages.

This is wrong on so many levels -

Taxpayer

September 21st, 2009
7:05 pm

See? I’m an optimist! I think it’s possible you may answer a direct question!!!

I can relate to that.

Hef

September 21st, 2009
7:06 pm

Gettin ready to leave office in Roswell for my 40 min ride home to ATL just west of Hartsfield,usually a smooth non-stop ride. Doubtfull tonite cause of weather. Drive Safe All

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
7:07 pm

Hey, I know, let’s build an expressway that runs parallel to the downtown connector.

Like bookman says, sounds like we need it.

Chad Harris

September 21st, 2009
7:16 pm

My experience as an MD has allowed me to become quite an expert regarding high speed rail.

I’ll pontificate as soon as I finish watching The Cosby Show. You know, Mr. Huxtable was an MD also.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
7:16 pm

I rode the Metra or whatever the hell it’s called in DC during the family’s occasional pilgrimage to the capital of the once greatest nation on Earth, just a short jump to the other side of the Mall, and I remember how nice it was to be sized up by the local thuggery and the welcoming stares they gave us for invading their space.

Wasn’t a cop in sight.

DoggoneGA

September 21st, 2009
7:18 pm

“I remember how nice it was to be sized up by the local thuggery”

Did you shoot one of them for reaching into his back pocket for a cigarette?

RW-(the original)

September 21st, 2009
7:19 pm

Birthers and light rails when there’s a two hour season premiere of Heroes tonight?

Geez….

Paul

September 21st, 2009
7:23 pm

RW-(the original)

That’s one of the things I like about you – you keep your priorities straight!

I think Bosch left some time ago to plant himself in front of the tube so he wouldn’t miss anything.

Kinda hope they do a recap.

Jay

September 21st, 2009
7:24 pm

Perhaps the “local thuggery” were wondering where the cops are when you need them.

GayGrayGeek

September 21st, 2009
7:24 pm

Normal @ 6:58 – You randy goose, you. “Choo-choo, woo-woo”, indeed! :-D

BTW, I forgot to say “Hi back, and thankee!” downstairs to your nice greeting to me the other day. I can’t say as I’m permanently back – since I’ve been unemployed Mr. GayNotSoGrayGeek is keeping my days busy with HouseSpouse Chores, but when I need a break from errands, etc., I’m more than happy to stur up the, um, well, you know, around here. LOL

Road Scholar

September 21st, 2009
7:26 pm

Houston’s managed lanes (HOV or toll) are already over capacity and more lanes are needed w/o more transit investment. Their present system has some bus stations intregated into the HOV system.

Now remember Texas has their own oil (as does Alaska) so their dependance on autos and oil revenues are linked. They already have a light rail line from a University/hospital district to a downtown entertainment area. I’ve ridden it and it was ok. Decent patronage at dinner time during the week.

But they are running out of undeveloped property next to their road coridors. Which brings me to Whiners contention to Double deck our highways. How do you build them with traffic below? No! Where do you then send the traffic? How does this work at the interchanges, esp when the present highway goes below the cross street?

When our and the world’s economy comes back, esp the Chinese, the price of gas/oil will skyrocket. How do you move around then? Transit better be in place. Not only to address cheaper movement of people, but also reduced stress! In focus groups, the No 1 reason behind financial was stress reduction. Those who said this read (imagine!), listened to music, talked , slept,…All transit users agreed the best bi-product was stress reduction.

Midori

September 21st, 2009
7:26 pm

Glenn Beck: Obama Better For Country Than McCain Would Have Been

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/21/katiecouric/main5328053.shtml

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
7:29 pm

duhgone- Believe me, at the time I was wishing that I had my favorite cannon with me so that I could show it to them and we could have a polite and jovial discussion about ballistic coefficiencies.

I hate those who prey on others, sorry, I know how much you find them to be adorable.

Northern Songs LTD

September 21st, 2009
7:29 pm

i’d be happy to take marta to work, except it takes me longer to get to a marta station than it takes me to get to work. oh, and there’s no marta near where i work. damn. what’s an enviro-lib-whacko (did i get that right?) to do??

Sluggo

September 21st, 2009
7:35 pm

By committed to transit, do you mean whether or not it makes sense. For people like Bookman LaHood transit will the answer regardless of the question. More of the same big government, spend like there is no tomorrow, let’s be like Philly mindset.

Paul

September 21st, 2009
7:35 pm

Hi Midori!!!

I read this weekend that Dick Armey said he was too hard on Pres Clinton

“”Both George W. Bush and Barack Obama have made me appreciate Bill Clinton more than I did. I think that President Clinton was more involved, more responsibly and more ably, in his job as president than what we’ve seen since him. He deserves more credit than I gave him at the time.”

When told of this, Pres Clinton quipped he just might have another heart attack!

Midori

September 21st, 2009
7:38 pm

Hi Paul,

Armey is a dick.

:)

Northern Songs LTD

September 21st, 2009
7:39 pm

RW – dont know about you, but i’m giving ‘heroes’ 3 episodes to get back to the brilliance of season 1, or i’m done with it.

crack is whack

September 21st, 2009
7:42 pm

Anyone care that half of metro Atlanta is under water? Pres? so-called journalists??

Paul

September 21st, 2009
7:43 pm

Midori

So, tell me how you really feel?

Can’tcha’ give him just a bit of credit for having the decency to say what he did?

(and please, no cracks about ‘okay, so he’s only a little d….’)

I impersonate people; fecal flinging my only talent

September 21st, 2009
7:47 pm

I have no ideas; I grew up stupid, and I impersonate people because fecal material is my only tool.

RW-(the original)

September 21st, 2009
7:50 pm

Paul,

The Sake is heated and the Thai infused Kung Pau is ready.

Kamchak,

You’ve got something of a point but there’s a lot of brilliance in the darkness too.

RW-(the original)

September 21st, 2009
7:51 pm

Make that Northern Songs, sorry Kamchak.

bill w.

September 21st, 2009
7:51 pm

the second i git my drivers license re-instated, i’m jumpin back in my car! marta gave me a ticket for having a beer on the train and i was gonna put it back in my bag when i was done wit it.er your comments here

Paul

September 21st, 2009
7:55 pm

RW-(the original)

Do you have a good sake recommendation? Nothing exotic, just for a normally enjoyable evening. And how warm do you drink it?

Kung Pao – one of my favorites. I have to admit, I do prefer mine to what I get out – but man, do those chilis and garlic overpower the stove vent!

Dave R.

September 21st, 2009
7:58 pm

“The Northeast (high-speed rail) corridor has its act together,” LaHood said. “

Yeah, it moves people fine, but loses money like a Democrat-sponsored program.

Normal

September 21st, 2009
8:00 pm

G3.. Well, just keep checkin’ in from time to time. Those house chores can be a drag. I’m having to go down to my basement every 20-30 minutes and vacuum out the water that keeps coming in. It looks like I’m going to have to build another wall. I thought I had it licked, until this “perfect storm”. I remember a line from a movie…Hi, I’m Randy…and I really am, too” But sleepers on a train, you gotta love ‘em. I used to take one from Groton Conn to Buckhead in the eighties whenever I would come home to visit. Ah, the memories… :-)

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
8:02 pm

Normal- Do you have drain pipes in the floor of your basement?

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
8:03 pm

When the term local thuggery hit this blog did it time travel back into the 1930’s? Tragic there isn’t a You Tube video of Andy and Family arm and arm with the “local thuggery” singin’ Juvenile’s “400 Degrees.” 5′ll get ya ten the local thuggery were black like the local thuggery hip hoppin’ up the White House which derives its name from a house where only White People are supposed to get near.

When Luvie Smith, Alex Brown, and Charles Tillman come down the street are they part of the “local thuggery”?

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
8:05 pm

No transit system in the US makes a profit. They aren’t designed to make a profit. They’re supposed to move people who are smarter than to sit in a Porsche Carrara at the Grady Curve seeing how many tweets they can send in an hour.

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
8:07 pm

Marta is also the only major transit system in the country that gets no money whatsoever from the state it’s in because the state legislature is largely composed of White Racist corpone hicks in a state that has never been better than 47th in SATs.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
8:08 pm

Mad Harris- “Luvie” Smith, Alex Brown, and Charles Tillman beat up on big boys like Steelers, not unarmed tourists.

Try again, spaz.

Normal

September 21st, 2009
8:09 pm

WHINER…Not yet, but soon…and a sump pump too…

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
8:11 pm

I saw the game. In a way I’m a Chicago fan if for no other reason than you can show up at Murphy’s Bleachers for years in a row on a weekday or Wrigley across the street and both of them will be packed in the middle of the day no matter where the Cubs are in the standings. And it is true that mathematically the White Sox still have a chance to be in the playoffs.

Normal

September 21st, 2009
8:13 pm

Compliments of Glen Miller…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF1JnbISh9Y
back to pumpin’…goodnight all… :-)

RW-(the original)

September 21st, 2009
8:13 pm

Paul,

I just heat the carafes full of sake in a pan of water. The Geikekan (sp) is just fine with me.

The geniuses here at our local NBC had weather info up so we missed all the closed captions of Hiro and Ando talking in Japanese. If you don’t mind how about seeing if you can translate for us. Thanks. :-)

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
8:15 pm

Normal- I used to have a swamp where I now have a finished basement, water was following the drain pipe and coming up from under the slab. I dug down on the outside of the house, deeper than the pipe and put a well in with a sump pump in it.

Dry as a bone.

That pump worked it’s little butt off today.

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
8:17 pm

I woulda thought RW would be glued to Texas’ most famous soon to be convict takin’ on Michael Irwin on the dance floor.

RW-(the original)

September 21st, 2009
8:18 pm

We only need the first conversation. They fixed it in time for saving Muffin Man.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
8:18 pm

Mad Harris- The Twinkies are fixing to put a stop to that statistical pipe dream.

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
8:18 pm

Are there no girls with English as a first language who will dance with American men?

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
8:26 pm

Bears @ Georgia Dome 10/18.

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
8:29 pm

Only in Georgia would a little rain close all da schools. Cause learnin’ is hard.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
8:31 pm

Mad Harris- The Dirty Birds will be 2 and 2 by then, the get the angry Patriots next week and the surging 49′ers 2 weeks after that.

Ouch.

And then the Cutler Nation comes to town.

Normal

September 21st, 2009
8:32 pm

Whiner, thanks, I’ll look into that..,

Normal

September 21st, 2009
8:36 pm

Whiner, just saw your post about the Pats and 49ers…I’ll wager a dollar to a doughnut the Birds beat the Pats and another that the Birds beat the ‘niners…you saw it here first, folks…
Something is happening with Brady…I think he remembers last years hit,
and the ‘Niners play in the NFC West :roll: Friendly wager Whiner?
I’ll check in later…

Taxpayer

September 21st, 2009
8:40 pm

Normal

September 21st, 2009
8:09 pm
WHINER…Not yet, but soon…and a sump pump too…

Hi Normal,

Do you have functioning drain tile around the outside of the basement walls.

Taxpayer

September 21st, 2009
8:42 pm

Public Option’s A Go

September 21st, 2009
8:29 pm
Only in Georgia would a little rain close all da schools. Cause learnin’ is hard.

After all, what’s eight foot deep water to a bus load of kids.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
8:44 pm

Normal- Careful, they are playing in N.E.

And Singletary took out the Cardinals in game 1.

Kevin

September 21st, 2009
8:44 pm

Wow, Public Option. And people say that white Republicans are angry.

Dude, you really need to double-down on the Prozac.

electrician

September 21st, 2009
8:44 pm

not that it really matters to anyone here,but the extremist blather on this blog is boring and repetitive..a complete,non-productive waste of time that means nothing and changes nothing.

Northern Songs LTD

September 21st, 2009
8:50 pm

electrician – that’s the mission statement…

Taxpayer

September 21st, 2009
8:52 pm

electrician

September 21st, 2009
8:44 pm

Well, it was this or a party of no.

Normal

September 21st, 2009
8:57 pm

Taxpayer: Do you have functioning drain tile around the outside of the basement walls.

Honestly don’t know…
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Whiner, I stand by my statement…

Normal

September 21st, 2009
8:57 pm

See y’all in the morn’…

Chad Harris

September 21st, 2009
9:03 pm

Before I was a MD, I was a urban planner and a meteorologist. I also was a therapist.

Too bad you redneck, white racists have to close da schools. Only 30,000 without power and four dead.

Pansies…

amazing

September 21st, 2009
9:06 pm

“Before I was a MD, I was a urban planner and a meteorologist. I also was a therapist.

Too bad you redneck, white racists have to close da schools. Only 30,000 without power and four dead.

Pansies…’

Name the low 9 cloud.

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
9:07 pm

In most places in this country, there is considerably more rain than in Georgia. If you ever spent any time living in Nashville, it rains this much and this hard several days a month if not a week. There were some weeks some years when it was a rare day when it wouldn’t pour down rain. It rains a lot more in the NE than here. It rains a lot more in the NW (Seattle, Portland than here). It rains a lot more in Ky. and Indiana than here and schools never ever close. And it snows like hell in a lot of those places. And schools never ever close.

We had a little rain here. We needed it. We have a governor who prays for rain and spent $8.5 million on outside counsel in a case which was a slam dunk for him to lose because of S. Ct. precedent who is now painted into a corner and wants to lose more money, and wants to launch the dumbest appellate case ever based on the Tenth Amendment’s allowing his state to ignore federal law.

There is no reason to close the schools. It stopped friggin’ raining hours ago. What’s the rain gonna do–is it concentated HCl and it’s evaporation gonna dissove the babuhs skin?

Atlanta and surrounding counties will close schools for reason no sane place anywhere else would.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
9:10 pm

Mad- I believe that most of the roads leading to the schools have been washed out.

I suppose the younguns could swim….

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 21st, 2009
9:11 pm

Don’t take it personal though, I guess the school buses could get a real big running start, you do have a point.

Public Option's A Go

September 21st, 2009
9:13 pm

I noticed the President of the ACP Joe Stubbs, an internist in Albany for years wrote an editorial on health care reform in the AJC today.

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/shame-on-us-all-142955.html

Reuters published a story summarizing how worthles coops/exchanges are and what big failures they are in having any impact on insurance premiums which is why the insurance companies who wrote the Baucus bill support them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-HealthcareReform/idUSTRE58K3L920090921?

Chad Harris

September 21st, 2009
9:16 pm

I agree with Public Option’s A Go. 24 inches of rain in two days is no reason to close da schools.

I remember the time I worked as a topographer. The runoff basins feeding into Lanier and Allatoona can easily support the existing rainfall.

I truly believe the pictures on the news are fabricated. It is only the result of a Right Wing plan by the Repugs to misdirect the uneducated masses in GA from our traffic woes.

DoggoneGA

September 21st, 2009
9:23 pm

“There is no reason to close the schools”

Oh sure…I bet the kids are going to learn a LOT in the school I just saw on TV that’s up to the EAVES in dirty water. Maybe they can learn ‘em to swim in there.

Taxpayer

September 21st, 2009
9:27 pm

Normal

September 21st, 2009
8:57 pm
Taxpayer: Do you have functioning drain tile around the outside of the basement walls.

Honestly don’t know…

That would be the first thing that you need to determine. If the foundation has been prepared properly for a basement that is located partially below grade, then a drainage system, called drain tile, would have been installed such that any water, limited by the size of the installed pipe, that flows down the outside wall would be drained away, via gravity, from the house. If you have the proper drainage system installed and you have the yard graded such that water is diverted away from your house, then you should not need a sump pump, etc., unless you have an underground source of water such as a spring that needs to be drained away or some other extreme scenario. Just curious because I had a house once with a walk out basement and I had a problem with water coming up from around the perimeter of the wall in a real heavy rain and it turned out that the end of the drain tile had gotten covered up and it restricted the escape of the water. Once the end of the pipe was cleaned out, it worked great.