‘Racist’ a term that must be applied cautiously

As I noted yesterday, U.S. Rep. Hank Johnson said something pretty stupid and inflammatory about his colleague from South Carolina, Joe Wilson, regarding Wilson’s outburst during President Obama’s health-care speech to Congress:

”It did not help the cause of diversity and tolerance with his remarks. If I was a betting man, I’d say it instigated more racist sentiment, feeling that it’s OK, that you don’t have to bury it down,” Johnson said. “I guess we’ll probably have folks putting on white hoods and white uniforms again and riding through the countryside, intimidating people. That’s the logical conclusion if this kind of attitude is not rebuked.”

That’s just nonsense, and it’s completely unfair to Wilson. Opposition to Obama’s health-care plan is not by any means evidence of racism, and it is wrong to imply otherwise. In fact, “racism” is such a powerful charge that it should never be leveled lightly. Using the charge in an effort to silence criticism, as some have done, is wrong and destructive and cheapens the stigma of real racism.

But let’s not fool ourselves. Real evidence of racism abounds. Fox News star Glenn Beck, the inspiration for last weekend’s rally in Washington, said on the air recently that “this president has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture.”

President Obama hates white people? That’s racist nonsense, plain and unvarnished, and any movement that looks to clowns such as Beck for leadership despite such statements opens itself up to justified questions about racist intentions.

Period.

Mark Williams, another of the leaders of the Tea Party movement, went on national TV last night and confirmed previous statements that Obama is our nation’s “racist in chief” and an “Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug.”

“Welfare thug?” It’s been said that in the infinity of time, there is no sentence that has not already been written or uttered, but I’m gonna guess that in all the long history of the American republic and the English language, no previous president has ever been described using those two words. You might say Williams was speaking in code, but the phrase is so blatantly racist that no decoding is required.

Then there’s the coverage of the schoolbus fight in St. Louis. It now appears that it was a simple case of bullying, reprehensible but utterly unremarkable. Yet right-wing outlets such as the Drudge Report and Rush Limbaugh immediately rushed to sell it as a metaphor for “Obama’s America” in which the poor downtrodden white male is once again being victimized. It was pretty sad to see the insecurities of millions of adults projected onto one teenaged kid.

In fact, as a white male myself, I’m embarrassed. People who look like me dominate the vast majority of Fortune 500 companies and the vast majority of elected political offices. We also control an overwhelming proportion of national wealth, yet somehow we are the downtrodden and powerless?

Guys, if you’re not getting what you think you deserve and have earned, it’s not because the black man is keeping you down. Really.

The game is pretty obvious. What we’re seeing is an effort to stir up white anger and resentment at black Americans in general and at Barack Obama in particular. It is an effort to remind white America that Obama cannot really be your president because, well, look at him. He’s one of Them, not one of Us.

And we’re better than that, all of us.

Johnson ought to apologize, profusely and sincerely, to Wilson. Wilson said two words, “You lie,” and there is no way in the world to accurately claim racism based on that evidence. The fact that Wilson is white, conservative and from South Carolina add absolutely nothing to the “evidence” against him. If you’re gonna throw charges of racism around, you have to be able to back them up.

That said, Limbaugh, Beck, Williams and others are appealing to racism, plain and simple.

219 comments Add your comment

saywhat?

September 16th, 2009
1:07 pm

saywhat?

September 16th, 2009
1:11 pm

Would it be racist to point out that Obama has successfully protected this nation from terrorist attack longer than GWB did in his first term? I suppose now we’ll have to read some nauseating post by Dusty gushing over what a fantastic leader Obama is, seeing as he has done better than her previous hero, W.

stands for decibels

September 16th, 2009
1:15 pm

Would it be racist to point out that Obama has successfully protected this nation from terrorist attack longer than GWB did in his first term?

Why… yes. It would be racist, racist I tells ya, to point out that Obama has kept us safer than Bush.

stands for decibels

September 16th, 2009
1:17 pm

And to Jay’s point–Glenn Beck’s disgusting assertion that Obama doesn’t like white people really ought to be universally condemned by responsible folks in the opposition party.

If they have, I’d love to know about it.

Joey

September 16th, 2009
1:19 pm

Saywhat?
Your name fits well with your words.

Bosch

September 16th, 2009
1:20 pm

Jay,

What are your thoughts about Carter’s statement? Just curious.

Awake

September 16th, 2009
1:21 pm

Unlike Bush, Obama has benefited from an organized, vigilant, anti-terrorist predecessor. The question of his ability to continue to provide security is in doubt. Jimmy Carter is a discredited windbag who set the USA up for decades of islamic terrorism thanks to his weakness, is only a hero to those left wing lunatics who think that Mugabe and Chavez run fair and open elections.

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
1:23 pm

saywhat?

September 16th, 2009
1:11 pm
Would it be racist to point out that Obama has successfully protected this nation from terrorist attack longer than GWB did in his first term? I suppose now we’ll have to read some nauseating post by Dusty gushing over what a fantastic leader Obama is, seeing as he has done better than her previous hero, W.

Say What! Oh! Never mind. You’re correct. Except for Dusty. Dusty is on the beach this week.

jt

September 16th, 2009
1:23 pm

I still like Bill Clinton(our first black president) better.

Bosch

September 16th, 2009
1:23 pm

“It was pretty sad to see the insecurities of millions of adults projected onto one teenaged kid.”

Amen.

stands for decibels

September 16th, 2009
1:24 pm

Obama has benefited from an organized, vigilant, anti-terrorist predecessor.

Yes, he has; unfortunately, Clinton was henceforth succeeded by GW Bush.

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
1:24 pm

“How has misuse of insurance driven up costs?”

“I’m talking the $12 Tylenol and the $120 cling–they’re real Bruno–and I’ve had the chance to review charts over years at hospitals in Atlanta. Some of the charges would blow your mind. Your immediate reaction would be “I can get a lot of bottles of Tylenol for 12 bucks, and of course you could. So why is the hospital charging you $12 for one regular strength Tylenol?”

I think you answered your own question, PON. Thanks for making my case for me.

“Reveals what about me?”

By beginning with the supposition that a large percentage of people (or is that only Republicans?) are inherently racist, it’s easy for you to make the leap that any opposition or challenge to Obama is ultimately motivated by this racism, despite no outward evidence of that being the reason. As such, it reveals to me that maintaining your presupposition is more important to you than considering the actual evidence. Just my opinion, of course.

stands for decibels

September 16th, 2009
1:28 pm

In fact, as a white male myself, I’m embarrassed. People who look like me dominate the vast majority of Fortune 500 companies and the vast majority of elected political offices. We also control an overwhelming proportion of national wealth, yet somehow we are the downtrodden and powerless?

Hear [gerund] hear.

Or as Zappa so eloquently put it back in ‘66:

“Hey, you know something people?
I’m not black
But there’s a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I’m not white”

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
1:29 pm

Oh! By the way! I’m sorry for running you off, Angry Black Man! I did not mean to do it. Can you forgive me? Will you? Don’t leave. Folks here, including myself, enjoy your virtual company.

TW

September 16th, 2009
1:31 pm

Racist? No

Supremacist? Yes

Racism is but a symptom of a disorder characterized by the incessant need to be better than.

Now that skin color is taboo, it resorts to labels like lib, socialist, etc.

Sadly, those who suffer from this disorder, though they wear it like a badge, ought be embarrassed, as it reveals a very major kink in their upbringing – it never happened. That’s why the teabaggers are simply the adult version of the terrible twos :)

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
1:33 pm

I think, and have thought for a long time, that a BIG part of the problem is that too many people use “racist” when they mean “bigoted”…and yep, I’ve said so before.

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
1:35 pm

And, racism had nothing to do with all the bias that has been displayed by schools that proudly present Bush while disavowing any knowledge of Obama. It was just a political thing. A difference in philosophies. It was nuthin’ ‘cept a misunderestimating and it won’t happen again… until next time.

Horrible Horace

September 16th, 2009
1:36 pm

Guys, if you’re not getting what you think you deserve and have earned, it’s not because the black man is keeping you down. Really.

And conversely

Guys, if you’re not getting what you think you deserve and have earned, it’s not because the white man is keeping you down. Really.

Turd Ferguson

September 16th, 2009
1:37 pm

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
1:33 pm

Proof please.

Jimmy Carter

September 16th, 2009
1:39 pm

Mr Bookman…I must ask that you tender your resignation.

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
1:39 pm

Jay you should research these frequent blogs, even if they cut your actual print columns to two (Cox Conservatives diluting the quality of AJC when they removed you, Maureen, and Cynthia from the editorial board and replaced them with themselves and turned way to the right).

Wilson has a pedigree as a racist–did you check his background. He supported keeping the Confederate Flag in S.C. and has been a member of many successionist groups all his life. He also lied about being an immigration attorney in a statement to the national media. Try Fact Check sites on Wilson before you paint him as a saint.

That’s right — Wilson was one of only seven members of the South Carolina Senate to vote to stick it to the blacks to keep the battle flag. It was finally brought down under intense national pressure and from an NAACP boycott, which cost the state millions in tourism revenue. I recall a similar battle took place in Georgia while Mr. Bookman was in residence here and on the editorial board of AJC at the time.

Wilson is an active member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans–check their literature Jay. They are saturated by white supremicists.

Notes the Southern Poverty Law Center,

Early editions of the SCV’s Confederate Veteran newsletter defended the Ku Klux Klan, argued that the United States was created “for white people,” and complained that “when a Negro has learned to read he ceases to work.”

Bosch

September 16th, 2009
1:40 pm

Bruno,

I think a large percentage of people are prejudiced and judgemental, especially in this area of the country, and no not just Republicans. I have my theories as to why, which surprisingly isn’t about race, but mostly about religion – and if I had a few months of uninterrupted time, I might could put together my complete thoughts on the matter, but alas, I don’t – and it would be a very, very long post.

Captain Underpants

September 16th, 2009
1:44 pm

“I guess we’ll probably have folks putting on white hoods and white uniforms again and riding through the countryside, intimidating people. That’s the logical conclusion if this kind of attitude is not rebuked.”

What a coincidence…WalMart is having a sale this weekend on all white sheets sizes little boys/girls, big boys/girls, teens and adults.

OOPS…I MEAN, xtra small, small, medium and large.

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
1:44 pm

Bosch,

I enjoy your posts. So, the best place to start is “In the beginning”.

Turd Ferguson

September 16th, 2009
1:45 pm

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
1:39 pm

Again with the Flag nonsense? BTW…have you checked the Flag lately or decided not to as Jesse and Al kept closed mouthed.

F-105 Thunderchief

September 16th, 2009
1:46 pm

You’re a racist! You’re not a real American!

It’s ugly from any angle.

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
1:48 pm

@ the Turd–

I know Jawjaw’s flag and its history and the people who pushed to keep the confederate flag. I also recognize the systemic racisim by many of the Repubos here.

Kamchak

September 16th, 2009
1:48 pm

When Ms. Tucker did this thread yesterday she linked it to this TPM story. I’ll repeat here what I said yesterday–if Hank Johnson is piggybacking on Wilson’s 15 minutes of fame, then he needs to shut up. This posting from the TPM site though caught my eye mainly because I recognized it as being from a prolific former poster at salon.com:

Johnson is correct; and that’s why I said this needs to be autopsied in the bright light of day so everyone sees what it is. I, for one, won’t tolerate the racist effort to sweep it under the rug with the excuse that telling the truth about it is some sort of bad politics.

Silence is assent. I won’t be part of the silence.

This from today’s dead tree version (thanks DB) of the AJC, however, leads me to believe that Hank Johnson views this as being not just one instance of heckling.

Rep. Scott (D-Atlanta)also suggested Wilson’s remarks were indicative of racial undercurrents. During August, Scott — who like Johnson is black — got several pieces of racist hate mail regarding health care reform that referred to him and Obama with racial epithets. A swastika was also painted on a sign outside one of his district offices.
“I think certain things have been tolerated to allow disrespect of this president because he is an African-American,” Scott said in an interview.

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
1:51 pm

Why in the world does posting a commenen t take 10 refreshes and often put a 404 error up on a box whose IE or FF works perfectly at any other blog site?

Why does it take so long on this blog and no other blog for a comment to post?

Why are there such random whacky filters here?

Why is Wordpress so hard for AJC’s? web personnel who are supposed to be helping Jay Bookman?

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
1:55 pm

Why can’t Jay Bookman post rules for posting and fix the random filter when you make a 2 sentence reply that filters your side of the discussion but not the person you’re trying to answer?

How long would it take for Jay Bookman to pick up his cell to call whoever runs the technical Wordpress part of this blog to fix the glitches that are unique to AJC blogs but no others in the world?

Why should it take a long period of time for a comment to show and why doesn’t this blog return to your posted comment instead of to the top of the page, the first page of the thread, or a 404 error when no other blogs on the planet do this?

Is there no one at Cox who can help Jay fix the technical area of this blog?

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
1:57 pm

Rush Limbaugh couldn’t resist trying to connect the brutal beating of one student by another on a school bus to President Obama, using it as an example of how Obama is somehow causing racism throughout the U.S.:

You put your kids on a school bus you expect safety but in Obama’s America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering ‘yeah, right on, right on, right on.’ Of course everybody said the white kid deserved it he was born a racist, he’s white.
In fact it would be Limbaugh who seems to have the racial hangup. The St. Louis-Dispatch reports that the beating was not racially motivated, as a Belleville police captain had originally speculated, but was instead incited by a pretty common dispute on school buses: choice of seating.

Good old boy, Rush. I wonder if he or Hannity or Beck, et al, covered that racially charged attack down in Clayton County. For some reason, I don’t think so.

Finn McCool

September 16th, 2009
1:57 pm

What’s a white man gotta do to get ahead in America? Jeez. I’m sooooo oppressed!

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
1:58 pm

“I think a large percentage of people are prejudiced and judgemental, especially in this area of the country, and no not just Republicans. I have my theories as to why, which surprisingly isn’t about race, but mostly about religion – and if I had a few months of uninterrupted time, I might could put together my complete thoughts on the matter, but alas, I don’t – and it would be a very, very long post.”

Human nature is what it is, of course, Bosch. Due to our “pack animal” genetics, it is only natural for us to identify with those who look like us. Having said that, automatically labeling any opposition to Obama as being racist in origin blocks any meaningful discussion about what the best way to move forward is, which is unacceptable to me. There’s too much on the table here to not allow any opposition.

I’ll echo TaxPayer in asking that you make an effort to expand upon your remarks, though. It could be interesting. ;-)

Scooter

September 16th, 2009
1:58 pm

Bosch,

I enjoy your posts

TaxPayer, I don’t know about you but I have really enjoyed the interesting and civil debate here today. Very entertaining! :smile:

Jackie

September 16th, 2009
1:58 pm

It is known that no one can prove a negative. Given this statement, there is no way anyone can prove one to be a racist based upon statements.

On the other hand, exhibiting racist tendencies by actions and associations goes further to provide insight into the actions one may take by the “company they keep.”

Don

September 16th, 2009
1:58 pm

From a Progressive book, and why FOX is the only station that carries the REAL stories, and why the ‘racists’ term is thrown around by the left, it’s brainwashing.
“What Orwell could not know in the 1930s and 1940s was that Totalitarianism and its propaganda apparatus would ultimately succeed in penetrating “the inner

heart” of individuals. Nor could he have known how much more sophisticated and pervasive propaganda was destined to become, how in the latter part of the

twentieth century latter-day avatars would graft onto this already dark art a whole host of new and extremely powerful elements. In fact, what was in

Orwell’s time already a frighteningly manipulative tool would over the next few decades take several more quantum leaps forward in its ability to

subliminally deceive and influence. It did so by evolving in a Darwininan manner, by confronting the challenges of capitalism and democracy, and then under

the pressure of this of this natural selection, mutating to incorporate traits from each as if it were cloning new genetic material onto its figurative

genome. It was in this manner that propaganda’s genetic makeup gained a new hybrid vigor, achieving an unforeseen level of sophistication and efficaciousness

that would doubtless have astounded Orwell. In this process there were several major evolutionary breakthroughs worthy of note.

1) Stalin to Mao
The first came about as China imported Stalin’s form of Marxist-Leninist propaganda and imbued it with “Chinese characteristics,” turning it into “Mao Zedong

Thought.”

2) The Marriage of Freudian Insights to Old-Style Political Propaganda
“The second significant evolutionary step occurred because of explicit advances in the burgeoning world of psychoanalytical thought. A new approach,

pioneered by Sigmund Freud, plumbed the depth of human unconsciousness to form a revolutionary corpus of systematized theories on how to understand, and even

heal, the inner workings of the human psyche. Through a quite unholy matrimonial convergence, “old-style” political propaganda became fortified by Freudian

insights about human insecurity, weakness, yearning and guilt. The result: new forms of manipulation in which overt political coercion merged with an array

of subtle but powerfu covert psychological mechanisms.

“One of the pioneers of some of these new psychological mechanisms was Edward Bernays, the father of “public relations,” who also happened to be Sigmund

Freud’s grandson. … ‘If we understand the mechanisms and motives of the group mind,’ Bernays presciently observed, ‘is it not possible to control and

regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it? The recent practice of propaganda has proved that is possible. …’

“When public relations theory and its application to commercial advertising–which Orwell had derided as “the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket”–

became available to authoritarian regimes as a means to bolster their own propaganda and control efforts, a new industrial-strength brew that was infinitely

more subtle and and convincing than anything that had preceded it was born. …

3) Electronic Media
“The third, and last evolutionary development in propaganda was brought about by the development of technology, particularly in the electronic media. What

could be achieved visually on television (and later on the Internet) was far higher on the periodic table of persuasiveness than anything that had preceded

it. This new medium was capable of making almost any almost any message seductive and convincing. … When crossbred with forms of twentieth century

totalitarian ideology and propaganda, television became a powerful new form of indoctrination for both commercial and political purposes.”

Historygeek

September 16th, 2009
2:00 pm

Would it be racist for me, a white guy to say:

That a typical black person has had a negative trait bred into them?
That typical black people don’t care about poor white children?
That blacks routinely target whites unfairly and it showed their stupidity?
That we should build policies to support whites instead of blacks based on the color of their skin alone?

.

September 16th, 2009
2:01 pm

I’m all about banning religion from this country. It’s ruining everything.

And I don’t mean banning faith or spirituality…just organized religion. Root all evil.

Bosch

September 16th, 2009
2:01 pm

Taxpayer,

Thanks! :-)

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
2:01 pm

“How has misuse of insurance driven up costs?”

“I’m talking the $12 Tylenol and the $120 cling–they’re real Bruno–and I’ve had the chance to review charts over years at hospitals in Atlanta. Some of the charges would blow your mind. Your immediate reaction would be “I can get a lot of bottles of Tylenol for 12 bucks, and of course you could. So why is the hospital charging you $12 for one regular strength Tylenol?”

Still waiting for your reply, PON.

“I also recognize the systemic racisim by many of the Repubos here.”

So what is your motivation for posting here, PON? Obviously it isn’t to promote honest discussion. Tell me why I should take anything you say seriously?

mike

September 16th, 2009
2:02 pm

Here are some links to some photos of a time period that many folks seem to be forgetting:

http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20090816

Brad Steel

September 16th, 2009
2:02 pm

Glenn Beck shares some of his brilliant deductions with …who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture.

Like which white people, fatboy, his mom?

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
2:03 pm

@ Bruno–

I still don’t understand what you mean by unnecessary insurance filing? Please elaborate. And I haven’t made your case for anything and when you think I have please have the courtesy to say how instead of glibly high fiving yourself and stating I have.

@ Mr. Green–

The NEJM /Wood Johnson study was done by all statistically accepted methodologies and the mechanics of the survey were posted.

I’ve read IBD for years. Great stock charts and good tech sector info. But their editorial page is right out of the brains of Hannity and Limbaugh.

They did not say where their random MD sample came from of course which is a statistical flaw in and of itself. They said nothing about their methodology.

And make no mistake about it, the AMA’s 16.666% of physicians in US members support reform and public option in large percentage, but AMA is actually working very hard to defeat any health care reform behind the scenes and their past president is conspiculously working to defeat reform for big bucks as a major lobbyist.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 16th, 2009
2:03 pm

Well, us poor White people are being held down by Those People. You can say it ain’t true, but in your heart you know I’m right. They took away our rights when they took the Klan from us and passed all these Civil Rights laws. Just because I don’t like or trust Those People none at all or have anything to do with them is no reason to call me a Racist. Heck, I even said hello to one once. So you can kind of say one is my friend.

Anyhow, I ain’t going to stick around here and let this Normal and AmVet and TnGelding and DebbieDoEverybody and USinUK and other libruls call me a bunch of names I don’t deserve. Have a good p.m. everybody.

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
2:04 pm

Public Option or No Bill Your comment is awaiting moderation.

September 16th, 2009
2:03 pm

mike

September 16th, 2009
2:04 pm

Here some more photos of those”tolerant” critics of Bush who would never be uncivil like those mean old racist conservative critics of Obama’s.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612

Anybody remember these shots making it on to the news during the coverage of the war protests?

Scooter

September 16th, 2009
2:04 pm

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
1:55 pm

Thanks for that post. I thought it was just me making an error!

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
2:04 pm

@ Bruno–

I still don’t understand what you mean by unnecessary insurance filing? Please elaborate. And I haven’t made your case for anything and when you think I have please have the courtesy to say how instead of glibly high fiving yourself and stating I have.

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
2:04 pm

@ Bruno–

I still don’t understand what you mean by unnecessary insurance filing? Please elaborate. And I haven’t made your case for anything and when you think I have please have the courtesy to say how instead of glibly high fiving yourself and stating I have.

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
2:05 pm

The r-word is used more frequently than it should be. Its used to discredit and silence a person, but rarely is it used in its proper context.

For example, Jay, who is and esteemed writer is too quick to assign Glenn Beck’s comments as racist. Perhaps the proper word used would be bigoted.

Don

September 16th, 2009
2:07 pm

I’m AMAZED at the number of brainwashed people there are. Those progressives sure know what they are doing and are VERY goo at it. Scarey stuff

jconservative

September 16th, 2009
2:07 pm

Jay said:
“People who look like me dominate… the vast majority of elected political offices.”

Not For Long. In 30 years we “whites” will be just another minority.
New motto – “A Nation of Minorities”.

Political office will be held by those who can put together a voting bloc consisting of several minorities.

If you don’t like “them” or “those” do not expect to win in 2040.
Actually, on second thought, whites will be one of “them” won’t they?

And I realize I am one of the few with a long range view, so do not bother jumping on me.

mike

September 16th, 2009
2:07 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it) –

I am impressed that you have married your own ignorant intolerance to a parody style popular with racists in the 1800s.

Kudos to you on reinvigorating a fine tradition of bigots everywhere.

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
2:07 pm

@ Mr. Green–

The NEJM /Wood Johnson study was done by all statistically accepted methodologies and the mechanics of the survey were posted. IBD declined to say where they got their “random physicians” and who they were associated with. IBD’s editorials are to the right of Rush.

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
2:08 pm

“I still don’t understand what you mean by unnecessary insurance filing? Please elaborate.”

Huh?? The premise of my argument is that the use of a third-party payment system opens the door for fraud and abuse. You then went on to list numerous abuses you claim to have seen while reviewing hospital charts. As such, you have made my case for me. What about that don’t you understand, you of superior intellect?

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
2:08 pm

@ Don–

And all Repubozos are well educated, independent, articulate cerebral thinkers like Katy Abram and Joe the Plumber, is that it?

Bosch

September 16th, 2009
2:08 pm

And Scooter – thanks too! :-)

Bruno,

I’m not advocating that every opposition to Obama is a racist act – then hell, I’d have to call myself one – nor am I advocating that everybody who opposes Obama is automatically given the racist t-shirt (or hooded bed sheet). I am saying that I have to stop and wonder what actually IS causing animosity towards Obama – because alot of the people who seem to have issue with him – do so not based on policy, or anything he’s actually done, but on perceived fallacies or perceptions and ungrounded fears which causes me to wonder what is the root cause of it all.

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
2:10 pm

From everything that I have seen and heard coming from Rep Hank Johnson’s mouth, I have to conclude that he never view himself as a “Congressman that is black.” Instead, I believe he will always view himself as a “black congressman.”

His statements too often reflect the black caucus as a special interest group. I hear him associated with the black caucus as a national group much more than I hear him associated with Georgia’s 4th congressional district.

Whitey be questioning if Rep. Hank Johnson cares about the little white pellets in the pepper shaker that make up GA’s 4th district.

Want racism? Look less to Glenn Beck and Rep Joe Wilson and look more to the beliefs and statements of Rep Hank Johnson and the black caucus!

Jay

September 16th, 2009
2:12 pm

I was very well aware of all that, PON. To my mind, it did not rise to the level of evidence needed to accuse someone of being a racist.

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:12 pm

“Proof please.”

You want proof of what I THINK? Use your amazing mind reading abilities.

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
2:13 pm

Your words “superior intellect” Bruno–not mine.

I couldn’t make it clearer. The hospital charts show among other things extreme price gouging by hospitals.

I still don’t understand the remark about 3rd party payment. If you mean upcoding, yes upcoding happens but insurance companies are routinely rejecting anything filed by us now just wasting our time and their time. None of us are just going to forget the bill that is legitimate and they know it. We are going to stop this practice that’s continued for years and they realize it now.

I don’t know what abuse you’re referring to? Upcoding? Yep it happens. Emory did it at Grady and Kent Alexander secured a sealed consent agreement with the Georgia AG’s office that the AJC didn’t cover and you can’t read.

Emory is doing it at Grady right now–and Mike Young is aware of it. Emory tried to screw Grady severely too by imposing an inflated system to charge for their services when they didn’t show up and Mike stopped them.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(

September 16th, 2009
2:13 pm

You might want to talk to the Tuck Monster, I doubt if she is on board with such ideas.

Historygeek

September 16th, 2009
2:14 pm

So Bosch, you are then assuming that most people have latent racist feelings? Because I have always disagreed with our President simply on his stand on policies and not on his skin color. And any animosity that I have towards the President is because he is the del facto leader of his party (the party in power) and they are ones in control of the policies that are being and attempted to be enacted.

Yankee

September 16th, 2009
2:15 pm

If Joe “YOU LIE” Wilson had said “YOU LIE” at the end of President Obama speech that would be considered RUDE ,,,,,,,,,,,BUT when an African American President (PRESIDENT OBAMA) said there WILL NOT be any coverage for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in a RACIST mind (MEXICANS) and it invoke a WHITE CONFEDERATE (Joe “YOU LIE” Wilson) senors to become overwhelmed and shout “YOU LIE” this to me is a BLATANT RACIST. WHITE PEOPLE IF YOU HAVE TO PROCLAIM THAT YOU ARE NOT A RACIST, CHANCES ARE THAT YOU ARE A RACIST! RACISM by definition : hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. ………IT IS NOT PROCLAMATION

Don

September 16th, 2009
2:18 pm

I’m not a republican

Kamchak

September 16th, 2009
2:18 pm

Sorry about the bad link. Don’t know what happened.

Bosch

September 16th, 2009
2:19 pm

Historygeek,

As I said earlier, I think that a majority of us (if not all) have prejudices and many people are judgemental. So to answer your question, no.

“Because I have always disagreed with our President simply on his stand on policies and not on his skin color.”

Well good – so I guess I’m not talking about you.

And just to clarify – part of your animosity towards Obama is because he is the de facto leader of the Democratic Party? So?

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
2:20 pm

Jay, then my question would be how much of a preponderence of evidence you want I’m trying to take a step backwards and be objective. Maybe you think that merely being a member of Sons of Confederate Vets and pushing a flag isn’t technically enough evidence and you might be right there.

It’s been widely noted, and I know you’ve read this–that slow motion photography shows that not any of the Republicans sitting in seats surrounding Wilson batted an eye or reacted in any way. That’s surreal. And while it may not technically prove anything, it sure suggests that his outburst was choreographed in advance.

I’ll have to disagree with you too, if you believe the larger issue–that the rampant opposition to anything Obama does with no ability to articulate it–the interviews of the people at the Mall this weekend are evidence–aren’t simply because a black man is in the White House fixing the cascade of messes left by Bush and a Republican congress in the preceeding years. The Dems narrowly took over the Senate in 2006, and the 60 vote or 59 vote majority is a myth since so many Blue Dog Senators are on insurance company and pharmaceutical company payrolls like Landrieu, Lincoln, and Baucus.

And can you please fix the filters and get a Wordpress plug-in for real time posting instead of a post taking several minutes much of the time. One sentence non-controversial posts are getting caught in the filter.

Historygeek

September 16th, 2009
2:21 pm

Yankee, WTF??? “RACISM by definition : hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. ………IT IS NOT PROCLAMATION”
That is idiotic and shows that you, like most people, are not being intellectually honest.
Racism “is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.”

The term was highjacked long ago and changed to define act of bigotry. Let all define what it really is. Very few believe in the actual superiority of one race over another.

Don

September 16th, 2009
2:21 pm

From a progressive book……….”One of the pioneers of some of these new psychological mechanisms was Edward Bernays, the father of “public relations,” who also happened to be Sigmund Freud’s grandson. … ‘If we understand the mechanisms and motives of the group mind,’ Bernays presciently observed, ‘is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it? The recent practice of propaganda has proved that is possible. …’”

Yankee

September 16th, 2009
2:21 pm

Personally I think 99.9% of all WHITE PEOPLE SOUTH OF THE MASON-DIXIE LINE ARE RACIST UNTIL THEY PROVE OTHERWISE PERIOD !!

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
2:22 pm

“Your words “superior intellect” Bruno–not mine.”

In case you forgot, your opening salvo to me a few weeks ago was to tell me how smart you were and how I couldn’t possibly have any qualifications to discuss the issues.

“I still don’t understand the remark about 3rd party payment.”

Let me break it down slowly for you then: When people don’t pay their own bills directly, as is the case with third-party payment via health “insurance”, then due to human nature a natural indifference arises in which no one cares what the prices are since it’s not coming directly from their own pockets. Do I need to make it any simpler for you?

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
2:23 pm

Scooter

September 16th, 2009
1:58 pm
Bosch,

I enjoy your posts

TaxPayer, I don’t know about you but I have really enjoyed the interesting and civil debate here today. Very entertaining!

Well, I don’t ever mean to be uncivilized. After all, I’m not an animal! Wait a minute. Perhaps a little clarification is in order here. After all, I’m not just any animal. I’m a civilized animal. How many of you have ever heard of an uncivilized animal that has learned how to be rude, obnoxious, racist, bigoted, biased, well, maybe biased, etc. Civilizations were created expressly for the purpose of making people… civilized. So, we have rules. Rules for everything, as Kamchak has even recently noted given that essay he shared with me on the rules of dueling. I mean, can you imagine such a thing in the wild. Leopards only coming out during the day. Lions announcing themselves as they approach. I think not. One would have to be civilized to do such things and animals are just not meant to be domiciled. It’s the call of the wild that defines us all. It’s what keeps us free and so very much independent and nothing at all like socialists. But, I digress. This is not about you or me. It is all about the O. Let us not forget. This is the dawning of a new age. Join me in a chorus :smile:

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
2:23 pm

In all seriousness, Mark Williams statement of “Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug” should be further examined. Just like the whole birth certificate noise, let’s put aside the “Indonesian Muslim” aspect (yes, he went to school in Indonesia, yes significant members of his father’s family are Muslim). Instead, look to the phrase “welfare thug.”

Calling Obama a “welfare thug” is perhaps not quite as polished a statement as it could be. Instead of using the word welfare, let’s use “public relief” and instead of using “thug” let’s use “advocate.”

Just words: “Welfare Thug” becomes “Public Relief Advocate.” Not a bad way to describe a former community organizer.

Question

September 16th, 2009
2:27 pm

The issue with the term “racism” seems to be defining it and who is using it, i.e., there appears to be a double standard in who is “allowed” to use it and for what purpose/gain.

For example, in Atlanta, it seems to be used rather freely by a certain demographic population whenever they receive a challenge or push-back in any setting!!

Don

September 16th, 2009
2:28 pm

I suppose if the media ‘pounds’ it in your head that FEMA hosed up during Katrina (as an example), you may eventually be led to believe the federal government is in charge of EVERYTHING. If you have it ‘pounded’ into your head that all conservatives are religious racists, you’d believe that. Are you to the point where you have ‘jumped’ on a bandwagon and believe everything you are told? If so, fine. When you get a chance, go research Progressives and population control, read our science czars book about it. Then ask yourself, “Can I trust anyone in Washington, republican or democrat”?

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
2:29 pm

I wonder, honestly, how Beck& Limbaugh can sleep at night. I guess all that money and endorsements can buy a lot of Oxycontin to make the pain go away.

Dekalb Conservative – when a commentator on a major TV Network says he thinks the President hates white people, (the President is half white himself); then I think his comments beat out Wilson’s. Wilson may intimate “THIS person is racist” But he’s never came out and said BUSH HATES BLACK PEOPLE. Remember when K. West did that and was ostracized and ridiculed by EVERYONE? Why hasn’t the same treatment been given to Beck? Things that make you go hmmm…….

mike: The American citizens have the right to protest. Notice any in those pictures carrying GUNS and making threats of VIOLENCE towards the President?

Historygeek: Yes.

Don

September 16th, 2009
2:31 pm

They want us to fight, for the same reason we don’t see 3rd parties getting tax dollars and/or invited to a presidentail debate. We are just pawns. When repubs and dems quit fighting, they’ll get VERY nervous.

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:31 pm

You decide which is most appropriate:

bigoted
–adjective
utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.

racist
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Jay

September 16th, 2009
2:33 pm

PON writes:

“I’ll have to disagree with you too, if you believe the larger issue–that the rampant opposition to anything Obama does with no ability to articulate it–the interviews of the people at the Mall this weekend are evidence–aren’t simply because a black man is in the White House fixing the cascade of messes left by Bush and a Republican congress in the preceeding years.”

That no doubt plays some role, but it’s a great exaggeration to claim that it’s SIMPLY because a black man is in the White House. Remember the loony antics of the right during the Clinton years? Shooting melons in the head, allegations of cocaine trafficking and rape, Hillary a lesbian who killed her lover Vince Foster, yada yada.

I’d say Obama’s race is a complicating factor to a pre-existing condition.

As to Wordpress, our IT folks have been notified and are working on things, I’m told.

Historygeek

September 16th, 2009
2:33 pm

DebbieDoRight, I assume you are saying “Yes” that I am a for stating those four things listed out at 2:00 pm? Then our President must be considered one. Because those are his own statements turned around.

Now let me be clear, I am not saying that he is a racist (or a bigot), but one MUST take pause and examine things when those are the comments of any person.

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
2:33 pm

@ Yankee

Personally I think 99.9% of all WHITE PEOPLE SOUTH OF THE MASON-DIXIE LINE ARE RACIST UNTIL THEY PROVE OTHERWISE PERIOD !!

Where’s the Mason-Dixie line?

I’m 99.9% certain you meant Mason-Dixon line.

.

September 16th, 2009
2:36 pm

And I think, to add some weight to Bosch’s statement about wondering what is behind the animosity…take a look at the signs at these rallies. They’re all over the place.

Protesting vaccines, abortion, ACLU, Mormons…

But this one is great: http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2009/8/15/13/honest-protestor-28236-1250355636-114.jpg

Don

September 16th, 2009
2:37 pm

Suppose a white guy ran for president in Kenya, 95% of whites supported him and his approval among whites was over 90% a year later. Would that be racists?

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
2:38 pm

I’d say Obama’s race is a complicating factor to a pre-existing condition.

And, therefore, uninsurable.

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:38 pm

“Where’s the Mason-Dixie line?
I’m 99.9% certain you meant Mason-Dixon line”

Nah…he just likes to use Engrish, as espoused by good ‘ole GA

Northern Songs, Ltd.

September 16th, 2009
2:40 pm

historygeek: here, i fixed your 2:21 — Very few will admit to the actual superiority of one race over another.

pat

September 16th, 2009
2:40 pm

To late, the train left the station. You leftwing nuts, since you can never successfully argue on the substance of an issue means you have to resort ad hominem attacks. It’s just evidence that you have lost on substance and have to pull the race card in order to gag your opponents, because that’s what losers do, pull the race card.

Since you think that Limbaugh and Hannity speak for everybody on the right, we have no choice but to believe that Jimmy Carter and ACORN speak for you left wingnuts. It’s bad to be racist, except in the case of Jews, you can hate them all you want for some reason. Hey, Carter does, so you must.

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:41 pm

“Very few will admit to the actual superiority of one race over another.”

Will you?

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:42 pm

“You leftwing nuts”

use ad hominem attacks much?

Turd Ferguson

September 16th, 2009
2:43 pm

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:12 pm

Proof Please…

Don

September 16th, 2009
2:43 pm

From a PROGRESSIVE book, notice the use of the Term WEAK…
“The second significant evolutionary step occurred because of explicit advances in the burgeoning world of psychoanalytical thought. A new approach, pioneered by Sigmund Freud, plumbed the depth of human unconsciousness to form a revolutionary corpus of systematized theories on how to understand, and even heal, the inner workings of the human psyche. Through a quite unholy matrimonial convergence, “old-style” political propaganda became fortified by Freudian insights about human insecurity, weakness, yearning and guilt. The result: new forms of manipulation in which overt political coercion merged with an array of subtle but powerfu covert psychological mechanisms.”

.

September 16th, 2009
2:43 pm

“you can never successfully argue on the substance of an issue”

“because that’s what losers do”

Evidence of the inability to conversate.

norman ravitch

September 16th, 2009
2:45 pm

Is it racist to be uncomfortable with a black man in the White House? I don’t think so and most Americans probably don’t think so. They elected a black man but now are wondering about his program, his nominees, his emphases, and his intentions. That is not racism; it is prudent concern.

Laugh of the Day

September 16th, 2009
2:46 pm

“Evidence of the inability to conversate.”

pat

September 16th, 2009
2:48 pm

He said “conversate”!!! I don’t conversate all that much I must admit.

M. Poster

September 16th, 2009
2:48 pm

What is Jawjaw?

JoeBob

September 16th, 2009
2:49 pm

Ok, is there something wrong if I’m a racist. Am I breaking any laws?

GEORGE AMERICAN

September 16th, 2009
2:50 pm

THESE LEFTNUT RACIST HAVE NO CLUE OF THEIR OWN IRONIC RACIST ATTACKS.

THESE SOCIALIST LEFTNUTS’ IRONICALNESS MAKES ME LAUGH SO HARD THAT I AM GOIUNG TO BUST MY NUT!!!

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:50 pm

“Is it racist to be uncomfortable with a black man in the White House?”

Not enough information. If you are uncomfortable BECAUSE he is black, then it isn’t necessarily racist…but it is certainly bigoted. If you are uncomfortable because you believe his being black makes him “unfit” to be the President…then yes, that’s racist.

“I don’t think so and most Americans probably don’t think so. They elected a black man but now are wondering about his program, his nominees, his emphases, and his intentions. That is not racism; it is prudent concern”

But none of that addresses your first question. Certainly you can disagree with his beliefs and policies, but if THOSE are what you disagre with…then why bring up the color of his skin at all? Doing so brands you, at best, as a bigot.

.

September 16th, 2009
2:50 pm

Uh…define irony

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:50 pm

“I AM GOIUNG TO BUST MY NUT”

You only have one? Interesting admission.

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
2:50 pm

@ DebbieDoRight

Let’s look at Beck’s quote, “this president has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture.”

When Kanye West said George Bush hates black people he was ostracized and ridiculed because that statement was so blatently ignorant. Bush, though slow in initial response put full resources of the U.S. behind the Katrina effort. Bush has also done more to aide Africa in terms of foreign relief than any prior president.

The same treament has been given to Beck. Van Jones and his Color of Change boycott efforts targeted Beck advertisers. They boycott failed. In the case of Beck, there was a massive support for his statment, likely because of a belief that there was a truth that Obama did in fact hold a deep seated hatred of “white culture” and therefore white people. From Obama’s community organizer day’s, radio interviews he made pre State senate election and even his own books.

To be fair to your statment, Obama is half white. Its just ironic he doesn’t reference his white heritage and culture that much and when he does it too commonly has the “typical white person” tone such as how he used in 2008 to describe his grandmother.

I think its important to bring question to Beck’s statement. Equally I think its essential to see if it was an unfair statement, or if there is enough evidence to support speculation around Obama’s value system.

Turd Ferguson

September 16th, 2009
2:53 pm

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:50 pm

Proof please.

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
2:53 pm

History Geek: I was saying YES to the question you asked, “Does my saying these things make me a racist?”

Norman: They should’ve worried more about the WHITE man who was in the house before him. His agendas, his appointees, his programs, his nominees, his emphasis and his intentions.

pat: It’s just evidence that you have lost on substance and have to pull the race card in order to gag your opponents, because that’s what losers do, pull the race card.

Sort of like Limbaugh and Beck huh?

Northern Songs, Ltd.

September 16th, 2009
2:55 pm

Doggone: I have nothing to admit to. It was, I guess, a lmae attempt at some humour. I know good and well that if I am better than someone at anything (i do carry a 4 handicap) it has nothing to do with the colour of my skin, or the circumstances of my birth, or anything other than the effort to succeed.

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
2:55 pm

@ Doggone/GA

You’re going to make people’s head explode by distinguishing usage of the term racist v. bigot.

jt

September 16th, 2009
2:55 pm

Jay- could you please do something with the term “jawjaw”.

It is far more sickening than any N word.

It is not even colloquially correct.

PON if you want to do a dum yankee impression of a Georgian, at least get the colloquials correct.

Scooter

September 16th, 2009
2:56 pm

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
2:23 pm

Dang Taxpayer, what a comeback. Whew! Enjoyed the chorus. :smile:

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
2:57 pm

It’s amazing how so many “racist” Republicans overwhelmingly approve of Condaleeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, and enjoy reading the commentaries of Thomas Sowell. Oh I forgot, they’re not the right “type” of Blacks, so no racial brownie points can be given.

Northern Songs, Ltd.

September 16th, 2009
2:57 pm

Doggone: I have nothing to admit to. It was, I guess, a lame attempt at some humour. I know good and well that if I am better than someone at anything (i do carry a 4 handicap) it has nothing to do with the colour of my skin, or the circumstances of my birth, or anything other than the effort to succeed.

Dr. DryFinger, Obama-care Health Czar

September 16th, 2009
2:59 pm

Racism is a treatable condition.

We have the treatment if you disagree.

Thank You.

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:59 pm

NSL…it can be hard to determine when someone is joking and when not. I’m don’t always remember, but I *try* to use things like /sarcasm etc. It helps…or at least, it ought to!

Northern Songs, Ltd.

September 16th, 2009
3:00 pm

grrrrrr, sorry about the double post.

Don

September 16th, 2009
3:01 pm

Wasn’t racists, but I’m a fast learner

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
3:01 pm

Bruno wrote:

“In case you forgot, your opening salvo to me a few weeks ago was to tell me how smart you were and how I couldn’t possibly have any qualifications to discuss the issues.”

I don’t try to explicitly judge how smart I am or not. I think I have put in a good bit of time watching health care and insurance unfold. I’m going to put up a link in a minute that illustrates why the government is often a big bulky bloated beauracracy and changes are like turning a huge passenger ship–they don’t happen on a dime.

Not close Bruno and you can’t reproduce any words close to that. I didn’t say you don’t have qualifications at all, but your reminding me of ridiculous things that we have been aware of from the first day we saw a patient that patients aren’t always thrilled about seeing a doctor is a little ridiculous. And if we better eduate people as to why preventive medicine is important (insurance companies are an obstacle here to be sure) a lot more people would see the reason for visiting a physician.

@ Jay: I remember the antics towards the Clintons well, and those were tactics of the right as usual owned solely by the right and substituted for facts–Rush and Hannity and the comic phonies at Fox are illustrating those same antics very well.

I think a good deal of the criticism of Obama–it’s certainly not homogeously constructed, is racist and it is hybrided with outrage that the financial bailouts with tax money are so one-sided or do so little to reach “Main Street.” That’s a real concern. The NYT wrote an opinion and a couple of other columns Monday that nailed the sham in financial reform that seams to be happening:

Reforming the Financial System
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/opinion/14mon1.html

The outrage at the financial bailouts which were started with Bush and TARP has given momentum to “Obama hate” and the rage at “government takeover.” Both parties signed off on the financial bailouts and both parties are taking a lot of money from Wall Street to water down any real reform there–and NYT has been nailing this well with Krugman and their economic staff like Anrew Ross Sorkin and Dave Leonhardt. Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone has been outstanding in dissecting this IMHO.

Thanks for help on the filters and posting–I think what I say is valid about them, and appreciate your time there.

I watched the campaign closely last year as I know you did, and in states like Kentucky, Pennyslvania, and Georgia where there was an epicenter of educational deficiency I saw pandemic racism at Palin’s rallies as well as poorly reasoned criticism of Obama. Every time I hear someone say Palin had deep long experience at governing, and Obama didn’t, it makes me grin.

Bushie got her right–check out the new book by his speech writer.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_10957&

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
3:02 pm

@ Jay: I remember the antics towards the Clintons well, and those were tactics of the right as usual owned solely by the right and substituted for facts–Rush and Hannity and the comic phonies at Fox are illustrating those same antics very well.

I think a good deal of the criticism of Obama–it’s certainly not homogeously constructed, is racist and it is hybrided with outrage that the financial bailouts with tax money are so one-sided or do so little to reach “Main Street.” That’s a real concern. The NYT wrote an opinion and a couple of other columns Monday that nailed the sham in financial reform that seams to be happening:

Reforming the Financial System
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/opinion/14mon1.html

The outrage at the financial bailouts which were started with Bush and TARP has given momentum to “Obama hate” and the rage at “government takeover.” Both parties signed off on the financial bailouts and both parties are taking a lot of money from Wall Street to water down any real reform there–and NYT has been nailing this well with Krugman and their economic staff like Anrew Ross Sorkin and Dave Leonhardt. Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone has been outstanding in dissecting this IMHO.

Thanks for help on the filters and posting–I think what I say is valid about them, and appreciate your time there.

I watched the campaign closely last year as I know you did, and in states like Kentucky, Pennyslvania, and Georgia where there was an epicenter of educational deficiency I saw pandemic racism at Palin’s rallies as well as poorly reasoned criticism of Obama. Every time I hear someone say Palin had deep long experience at governing, and Obama didn’t, it makes me grin.

Bushie got her right–check out the new book by his speech writer.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_10957&

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
3:04 pm

DeKalb Conservative: Let’s look at Beck’s quote, “this president has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture.” When Kanye West said George Bush hates black people he was ostracized and ridiculed because that statement was so blatently ignorant.

And BECK’s wasn’t?!??!!!! How so?

Obama’s “supposed” hatred of whites is a myth — just like Big Foot, The Tooth Fairy, and Godzilla. He publicly cried for his grandmother (who was white), when she passed. He speaks about his grandfather (who was white) all the time and the big influence he was on his life. He talks loving about his mother (who AGAIN was white) and the things she did for him. Yet somehow that makes him hate white people?

You know, I noticed during his inauguration, and Michelle has had interviews that stressed this too, how the media didn’t show that many pictures of his Sister. There were plenty of his mother-inlaw (black) and brother-inlaw (black) but not that many of his Sister and her huband NOR his sister-inlaw (Who, gosh darn it is WHITE!!!). Even when they went to the grand canyon a few weeks ago, he had brought along his nieces but, AMAZINGLY few pictures of them were taken or distributed. It’s like someone, media outlets, media czars, whomever, just don’t want anyone to remember that Obama’s family is multicultural and diverse.

People we’re being played — if you’re stupid enough to fall for the rhetoric then there’s nothing that can be said or done. I hope when the big race war comes, and judging by some of the posts I’ve seen on various blogs it will come, I’m off on an island somewhere sipping margaritas. America Enjoy your hatred — Kosovo, Rwanda.

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
3:05 pm

“I remember the antics towards the Clintons well, and those were tactics of the right as usual owned solely by the right and substituted for facts”

So I guess you, along with Jay and Bosch, were asleep the past 8 years when every vicious personal attack imaginable against Bush was made.

pat

September 16th, 2009
3:08 pm

BTW, obama extended the Patriot Act. I expect you to think this is A-OK since obama did it. The silence from the media is defening. I for one was against it when it came out and still against it now…

pat

September 16th, 2009
3:08 pm

BTW, obama extended the Patriot Act. I expect you to think this is A-OK since obama did it. The silence from the media is defening. I for one was against it when it came out and still against it now…

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
3:08 pm

Bruno: It’s amazing how so many “racist” Republicans overwhelmingly approve of Condaleeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, and enjoy reading the commentaries of Thomas Sowell. Oh I forgot, they’re not the right “type” of Blacks, so no racial brownie points can be given.

People read what they like. If you like articles/comments upholding your point of view, you read/watch those. Hence the popularity of Faux News. Besides, Sowell, Rice, and Thomas don’t even consider themselves “Black” — they consider themselves Republicans.

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
3:08 pm

@ Jay–

I have no idea why my last two posts were caught in the filter. Gotta go.

stands for decibels

September 16th, 2009
3:09 pm

I don’t know if it’s racism, as such, but I for one am fairly tired of how the right wing seems to think the only gig that Obama had, prior to being elected US Senator, was as the director of the Developing Communities Project.

I mean, it was three years. It was certainly an important time in his professional life, but the man did serve nearly eight years as a state senator, with a constituency of about 200,000 IL residents (Sarah Palin, by contrast, had fewer than 10,000 people living in Wasilla when she was mayor, but somehow the right wing accepted her nonsense as the one with “actual responsibility”.)

It’s that kind of stuff that fuels the nastier chargers, is all I’m saying.

(And DeKalb Conservative, even though you’re the one who got me thinking about this specific issue, I’m not picking on you—in fact, your contribution @ 2.50 is a lot more thoughtful than most I’ve seen from your side of the aisle.)

GEORGE AMERICAN

September 16th, 2009
3:11 pm

BARACK OBAMA HATES WHITE PEOPLE

GLENN BECK IS RIGHT!!!!

Paul

September 16th, 2009
3:12 pm

Jay

Thank you for refuting the recent writings of Maureen Dowd and Eugene Robinson, where they raised unsubstantiated racist claims, as well as the remarks of President Carter. You’ve previously lamented the Right not having people of influence who would refute the nutty pronouncements of their spokesmen. Thank you for being among the first to do so when the Left’s people of influence make equally nutty pronouncements.

Historygeek

September 16th, 2009
3:12 pm

So, DebbieDoRight, if one would be racisted for saying those things then our President must be considered one. Because those are his own statements turned around.

Now let me be clear, I am not saying that he is a racist (or a bigot), but one MUST take pause and examine things when those are the comments of any person.

“Besides, Sowell, Rice, and Thomas don’t even consider themselves “Black” …” Isn’t that what we are suppose to do? Not see ourselves or others as a color, but people with different opinions and beliefs?

stands for decibels

September 16th, 2009
3:12 pm

So I guess you, along with Jay and Bosch, were asleep the past 8 years when every vicious personal attack imaginable against Bush was made.

Eight years? Let’s see… let’s go back eight years, that’d be just after 9/11, when Bush’s approval numbers hit 90%.

We supported the man. Supported the military invasion of Afghanistan to get the SOBs that attacked us. The tide only began to turn when that trust was (in our eyes, anyway) betrayed over his ginned-up case to go to war in Iraq.

In short: Cut me a break with your sob-story revisionist history. It doesn’t pass the smell test.

md

September 16th, 2009
3:16 pm

“but the man did serve nearly eight years as a state senator, with a constituency of about 200,000 IL residents (Sarah Palin, by contrast, had fewer than 10,000 people living in Wasilla when she was mayor, but somehow the right wing accepted her nonsense as the one with “actual responsibility”.)”

Not a Palin fan, but the argument was about the position, not the person. A mayor actually manages the local gov’t vs a senator that does not.

Its the same reason some people prefer governors over US congress people. One has executive management experience while the other does not.

TnGelding

September 16th, 2009
3:16 pm

Well, it’s certainly a good explanation of the new level of vitriol. In some it might be subconscious. But the fear is unjustified.

Something occurred to me this morning after I signed out. The conservatives say the doctors are practicing defensive medicine. The doctors that hang out here say the patients are vampires, demanding the latest tests and drugs. Which is it? Neither or both?

.

September 16th, 2009
3:17 pm

Beck’s problem is that his mom and brother committed suicide. You don’t go through that without coming out FITH.

Paul

September 16th, 2009
3:17 pm

DDR

“Besides, Sowell, Rice, and Thomas don’t even consider themselves “Black” — they consider themselves Republicans.”

Wow. That sounds more like a sound bite at a political rally than the thoughtful ideas you usually express.

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
3:18 pm

“The conservatives say the doctors are practicing defensive medicine. The doctors that hang out here say the patients are vampires, demanding the latest tests and drugs. Which is it? Neither or both?”

Actually…they aren’t mutually exclusive.

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
3:19 pm

@ Jay –

I’d also like to hear your take on the persistent ignorant Birther meme which I believe is a component of racism.

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
3:19 pm

Bruno: To be fair to your statment, Obama is half white. Its just ironic he doesn’t reference his white heritage and culture that much and when he does it too commonly has the “typical white person” tone such as how he used in 2008 to describe his grandmother

What should he do Bruno? I mean should he take out flyers all over the US that says, “Hey Everybody!! I’m White TOO!!” Should he buy television time and say, “What you’re seeing now is me, a WHITE MAN TOO!!” Should he buy space in the major newspapers and say, “Guess What?!? I’m a WHITE GUY!!!” I mean what would appease you?

In His education push to the kids last week, he mentions his mother and all that she did to prepare him and make sure he was academically well-adjusted in school. He tells of her getting up every school day at 4:30 to go over learning materials with him. Now should he have said, “When I was little, my WHITE MOTHER, did ……..” Would that have made it better?

You speak of his books, which you’ve obviously NEVER read, you’ve probably just heard/read quotes by conservative pundits who twisted the whole book around. Instead of READING IT YOURSELF, (heck if you don’t want to pay for it, it’s in the library!!), and getting ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE FOR YOURSELF, you’ve relied on someone else’s word. Well, funny thing about people ; do you know that people will twist and warp things around to suit their own agendas? Crazy ain’t it!! I’ve seen it on this very board many times people post HALF a post or inaccurately post it, then when you go to the link they cite, it looks like NOTHING they’ve posted!!! Amazing isn’t it! Some people will actually LIE to get their points across!!

If you never read anything for yourself, then you’ll believe anything someone tells you. What a sad country we live in.

AmVeterinarian practicing in Farm Animals, specializing in Swine.

September 16th, 2009
3:20 pm

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
2:50 pm
“I AM GOIUNG TO BUST MY NUT”

You only have one? Interesting admission.

Proof Please.

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
3:21 pm

“People read what they like. If you like articles/comments upholding your point of view, you read/watch those. Hence the popularity of Faux News. Besides, Sowell, Rice, and Thomas don’t even consider themselves “Black” — they consider themselves Republicans.”

Several posters here have either implied or directly stated that a majority of Republicans are racists, despite the fact that support for Rice, Thomas and Sowell remains high. Every time in the past I’ve brought this up, I was informed that supporting these folks didn’t “count” for some reason, since they didn’t hold traditional liberal views. Do you have any perspective on that? As for these individuals not identifying themselves by race first, it only adds to the attraction, IMO.

I agree with you that people often choose their news programming to validate their pre-existing viewpoints rather than to expand them. Since you only mentioned “Faux” News, I was curious to know if you felt that this applied as well to those on the Left who get their “news” from MSNBC or CNN?

jt

September 16th, 2009
3:22 pm

Just like some people need to come to terms with being a socialist, I myself believe that I am genetically superior to the yank race who can not properly enuciate the letter “R”.

To admit, and define, the problem is the first step.

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
3:22 pm

“Proof Please”

You’ll have to go back to GA for that one. He’s the only one that knows for sure. I mean, after all, he MIGHT be lieing about it…you know?

Normal

September 16th, 2009
3:22 pm

MIKE, I’m out sick today with a touch of the flu, I guess, so forgive me if I seem a little out of “it”. But, I need to know just exactly what it is you see In George W. Bush, that makes you defend him like he was Haysus Christo? I am genuinely curious about this because I think of you a a rather intelligent person and this belief of yours ids beyond the pale. I’ll check back in later, friend, but I may be a little tardy. sorry in advance…

AmVeterinarian practicing in Farm Animals, specializing in Swine.

September 16th, 2009
3:22 pm

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
3:18 pm

Actually…they aren’t mutually exclusive.

Proof Please

md

September 16th, 2009
3:23 pm

The photos at Mike’s 2:02 are interesting in that I have never seen in the national news the black women carrying the sign of Bush with a bullet hole in the head.

Anyone here think that would be the case if the situation were reversed? It would be the lead story on the MSM. The 2-way street is and will remain a problem.

AmVeterinarian practicing in Farm Animals, specializing in Swine.

September 16th, 2009
3:24 pm

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
3:22 pm
“Proof Please”

You’ll have to go back to GA for that one. He’s the only one that knows for sure. I mean, after all, he MIGHT be lieing about it…you know?

Proof Please

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September 16th, 2009
3:25 pm

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September 16th, 2009
3:25 pm

.

September 16th, 2009
3:27 pm

Barack…sorry for the misspell.

stands for decibels

September 16th, 2009
3:29 pm

A mayor actually manages the local gov’t vs a senator that does not.

Its the same reason some people prefer governors over US congress people. One has executive management experience while the other does not.

I’ve heard that argument before, and just a few stray food-for-thoughts:

1) You go down the list of US presidents, I don’t think those who’d been “executives” just prior are necessarily superior to those who were merely elected representatives

2) 200K constituents probably beats 10,000 town residents on the responsibility chart. Not just on the raw numbers, but on the nature of the types of bills a State Senator has to vote on, and answer to.

AmVeterinarian practicing in Farm Animals, specializing in Swine.

September 16th, 2009
3:29 pm

Normal, in all seriousness, the opposite thing could be addressed to you concerning Obama and his Messiah status.

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
3:30 pm

HistoryGeek: So, DebbieDoRight, if one would be racisted for saying those things then our President must be considered one. Because those are his own statements turned around

PROVE IT. Talk is cheap. Show me links.

Paul: Wow. That sounds more like a sound bite at a political rally than the thoughtful ideas you usually express.

Paul, I find it amazing that my statement was seen as extreme. All three quoted have absolutely no connections what so ever to their families. Clarence Thomas wrote that his grandfather raised him after his mother past, but he never speaks of anyone else in his family or even his father’s family. Rice’s family wrote a commentary in Essence Magazine that said basically, they haven’t heard from her, personally, NOR has she came to visit in the past 25 years. That really makes me wonder.

md

September 16th, 2009
3:30 pm

Normal,

I can’t speak for Mike, but what I see in his posts is the hypocrisy of those that condemn certain actions/statements today with this president but did not with Bush. Its either wrong or its not, but don’t talk out both sides of one’s mouth.

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
3:31 pm

“concerning Obama and his Messiah status”

What Messiah “status”?

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
3:32 pm

“The tide only began to turn when that trust was (in our eyes, anyway) betrayed over his ginned-up case to go to war in Iraq.”

And that somehow justified all the personal attacks, which only distracted from real debate about the issues? The point of my post is that Jay, Bosch, and PON could only think of Clinton when looking for examples of other Presidents who had to endure unwarranted personal attacks. I was just curious as to the cause of their selective memories, postulating that they may have been in hibernation the past 8 years.

“What should he do Bruno? I mean should he take out flyers all over the US that says, “Hey Everybody!! I’m White TOO!!” Should he buy television time and say, “What you’re seeing now is me, a WHITE MAN TOO!!”

Sorry, DDR, but that wasn’t my post. You’ll have to take the issue up with DeKalb Conservative. For reference, I live in Gwinnett.

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
3:33 pm

Dot – WoW!! He looks EXACTLY like his grandfather!! Genetics is amazing ain’t it!!

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
3:34 pm

.

September 16th, 2009
3:37 pm

I just wanted to show that his whiteness is obvious…he looks like his white grandfather. He couldn’t hide it if he tried.

md

September 16th, 2009
3:38 pm

“1) You go down the list of US presidents, I don’t think those who’d been “executives” just prior are necessarily superior to those who were merely elected representatives”

Hence the reason I stated “some people”. No different than the HR person scanning resumes, they look for areas of comfort.

“2) 200K constituents probably beats 10,000 town residents on the responsibility chart. Not just on the raw numbers, but on the nature of the types of bills a State Senator has to vote on, and answer to.”

One has direct responsiblity for all 10,000 and must manage all departments and services no matter how large or how small. The other is basically trying to pass legislation to benefit a majority of the 200,000, as it is doubtful they all agreed on his position. He could actually do nothing for 8 years if he chose to, but whoever was directly responsible for the services to those 200,000 surely could not.

Turd Ferguson

September 16th, 2009
3:39 pm

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
3:31 pm

Proof please.

Marke

September 16th, 2009
3:39 pm

Just wonder if it’s racist that 99.9 percent of all blacks who voted went for Obama? What if 99.9 percent of whites voted fir McCain. I wonder if it’s racist to spend many years hanging and friends with folks like rev wright and jones? Woukd it have been ok for bush to go to a white supremist church but then claim he is not one of them? President (failure) Carter has started a new civil war.

Bosch

September 16th, 2009
3:39 pm

Bruno,

Please don’t speak for me. That has not been the point of my recent posts – and you know it. You can interpret them however you chose, but don’t put words in my mouth and then turn around and ask for a defense of something I never wrote or even implied.

It certainly does not justify personal attacks, but at least such attacks were based on events that happened instead of perceived fears of things that might happen or complete lies.

AmVeterinarian practicing in Farm Animals, specializing in Swine.

September 16th, 2009
3:39 pm

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
3:31 pm
“concerning Obama and his Messiah status”

What Messiah “status”?

Proof Please

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
3:41 pm

“Sorry Bruno”

Cool “red-faced” icon! I’m not computer savvy enough (by choice) to know how to do many cool things like that.

I’m still curious as to your opinion as to whether someone can support Rice, Thomas and Sowell, but still be considered a racist?

getalife

September 16th, 2009
3:47 pm

“Born for the Part:

Rove on Family Guy cameo: “I play myself, meaning the son of Satan, the spawn of evil,” Rove said.”

Perfect.

–Josh Marshall

Normal

September 16th, 2009
3:49 pm

md I hear what you are saying but if this is directed toward me “but don’t talk out both sides of one’s mouth.” I don’t iunderstand. But right now I’m running a 103 degree temperature so I might not understand anything. Explain please…thanks.

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
3:51 pm

@ DebbieDoRight

Need some proof of Obama’s views of white people? Its all over his books.

“… I cease to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites…”

(1:09) – Barack Obama, from Dreams of My Father

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
3:52 pm

Ok this one is from you for sure this time!!

Bruno: majority of Republicans are racists, despite the fact that support for Rice, Thomas and Sowell remains high. Every time in the past I’ve brought this up, I was informed that supporting these folks didn’t “count” for some reason, since they didn’t hold traditional liberal views. Do you have any perspective on that?

I don’t think it’s their non “traditional liberal views” that makes some people wary of them; I think it’s their lack of OTHER blacks in their lives. OK this is a sidebar coming up….SIDEBAR: I saw the documentary on Emmett Till a while back; in it, the cinematographer had come to the conclusion that it was a fellow BLACK man who had told Till’s killers about the infamous “whistle”. Remember, the man’s wife, (and I can’t think of her name right now), didn’t want to tell her husband because she knew what would happen and she knew Till was just a kid and didn’t mean it. So the only other person who could’ve told the husband about the incident had to of been a black person. [OK here comes the tie-in] People don’t trust other people who have no affinity towards their own. Concentration Camp survivors routinely talk about the Jewish captor who ratted out to the Prison guards in order for more favors/food etc. These were the most hated and despised people because they’d turned their backs on their fellow inmates.

As for these individuals not identifying themselves by race first, it only adds to the attraction, IMO

Who knows? I just find it odd that neither of them even MENTIONS anything about their families or even goes to visit them. You could at LEAST put flowers on your mother’s grave; but Thomas’ mother’s grave, looks like no one’s visited it in years. You can at least visit your family; they were the ones who sacrificed to get you where you are; but, according to Rice’s family, she hasn’t in quite a while. It makes you wonder……..

I agree with you that people often choose their news programming to validate their pre-existing viewpoints rather than to expand them. Since you only mentioned “Faux” News, I was curious to know if you felt that this applied as well to those on the Left who get their “news” from MSNBC or CNN?

I don’t consider MSNBC a “news channel” per se; mainly because they have other programs on. CNN is respected around the world. You can go to the London Times and find CNN posts, quotes and links on it; as well as any World Newspaper. Could you say the same of Faux News?

Scooter

September 16th, 2009
3:54 pm

Dang Normal, 103 is serious at your age. Get to the Dr. dude!

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
3:55 pm

@ AmVeterinarian practicing in Farm Animals, specializing in Swine-

If you’re seeking proof of Obama Messiah status, then a field trip to the boutique storefront vendors in The Underground might be helpful.

md

September 16th, 2009
3:55 pm

Normal,

“but don’t talk out both sides of one’s mouth.”

Not for you unless you consider yourself to be such, as I do not. Hence the use of the term “one” vs you/your.

Paul

September 16th, 2009
4:00 pm

DDR

I do not understand how “Besides, Sowell, Rice, and Thomas don’t even consider themselves “Black” — they consider themselves Republicans” is explained by “all three have no connection to their families.”

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
4:00 pm

“Please don’t speak for me. That has not been the point of my recent posts – and you know it.”

My bad in lumping you with Jay and PON in regards to only recognizing unwarranted criticism of Democratic Presidents. I rescanned the posts and didn’t see any from you on that topic. I guess I was still in shock regarding your comments that most people are racist to the point that their political support is strictly made along racial lines. See my comments above re: Rice, Thomas, and Sowell.

AmVeterinarian practicing in Farm Animals, specializing in Swine.

September 16th, 2009
4:03 pm

Normal, a fever as high as 105 could be expected if you have the swine flu. My son had this. Fortunately it does subside – after 48 hours. Then the vomiting and the other end start happening. Running to the doctor isn’t really going to do anything other than make you aggravated. They can’t do anything for you as far as the flu goes. Do not get dehydrated – you don’t need that to complicate matters.

md

September 16th, 2009
4:03 pm

“CNN is respected around the world. You can go to the London Times and find CNN posts, quotes and links on it; as well as any World Newspaper.”

I’ll have to admit that CNN has made a concious effort to move closer to the middle, but for years their repoting has been liberal. Many conservatives refer to CNN as the Clinton or Communist News Network for a reason.

pd

September 16th, 2009
4:06 pm

A lot of people who don’t like Obama, are not racists.

However, a lot of them are.

Maybe they also disagree with his politics. I know one guy personally that hates Obama. Doesn’t like black people. AND he opposes Universal Healthcare.

Come to think about it, there isn’t much that he does like.

Midori

September 16th, 2009
4:06 pm

yesterday Rush made a big deal about the black and white kid who were fighting on the bus:

Limbaugh On Bus Fight: ‘Obama’s America – White Kids Get Beat Up, Black Kids Cheering’

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/rush-limbaugh-obamas-amer_n_288371.html

Wonder where he, as well as you other filthy bigots, are on this story?

http://www.ajc.com/news/clayton/army-reservist-beaten-in-138917.html

Hef

September 16th, 2009
4:09 pm

If was feasible that GW hated black people, why is not feasible that Obama hates white people? Just askin

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
4:10 pm

“I think it’s their lack of OTHER blacks in their lives. People don’t trust other people who have no affinity towards their own.”

Ummmmm, don’t you think that these statements could be construed as being, ummmmmm, shall I say, racist. DDR? “Their own” ?!?! Would you give me a free pass if I made a statement like that?

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
4:11 pm

@ DebbieDoRight

Good sidebar. Follow up question, if “People don’t trust other people who have no affinity towards their own” is this limited to race? To say people aren’t naturally drawn towards similar people is a lie. However, is it really race, or is it class and other beliefs?

Sowell is respected because he gives excellent analysis. The first time I read one of his books I had no indication of his race. I was drawn to Michael Steele well before he became RNC chair because he spoke in genuine terms with people. I’ve never considered Rice a good example because her gender and race as having historic status always seemed to trump her accomplishments.

I think what sets back this topic all together is when people such as Jay lash out and call people a racist. I’m going to speculate here, but the slang of being associated as “acting white” is seen so harshly in black culture as an insulting phrase that I think black culture has established itself as a niche focus where ideas of Sowell and Steele will never be accepted by the masses.

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
4:14 pm

So, Deb, does that mean that other whites should shun me since all of my clients as well as my GF are all black? I’m not very close to my family either. What does that say about me? Just curious.

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
4:14 pm

@ Midori

The Army reservist beaten in front of child article in the AJC you mentioned is horrific. There’s no excuse for resorting to kicking someone in the head unless you basically want them either dead, or significantly injured.

One thing missed by the AJC, which changes this story completely… the story missed to point out that the woman first spit at him BEFORE he started beating her. Doesn’t excuse his actions at all, but does completely change the context of her being an innocent mother concerned with the well being of her daughter.

@@

September 16th, 2009
4:18 pm

Good lawd in heaven!!!!

AGAIN?!!?

“Racist” a term that must be applied cautiously…

but as frequently as the public will tolerate.

Can you give me a rough estimate as to when you left-wing journalists might have this “subject” out of your systems? Talk about saving “brown stamps” in your “tube” (Reference to Napkin Notes on the Art of Living.

I only have one thing to say…it’s kinda on topic and in response to someone downstairs. Came in early but didn’t have time to respond. It’s about predictions during the campaign that, should Obama be elected, any disagreement with his policies would be attacked as racist in nature.

I took a moment to look through old articles – most of them from what many would consider conservative sources – so I thought….Why not go straight to the horse’s mouth?

I wanna take you back to the 2008 campaign – sometime during the summer when Obama, himself, interjected racism. He said…talking about McCain “They will attack me because I don’t look like all those other Presidents on those dollar bills”…followed by, I’m sure, some sort of “clarification”> Not the first time either. Another instance…

Do you guys remember when, during the campaign, Hillary made the comment that it was Lyndon Johnson who brought Martin Luther King’s dream to fruition? Do you remember how she was attacked. WaPo reported that it had touched a nerve with many African Americans sympathetic to the Clintons.

Yeah, right. Couldn’t have possibly been a campaign strategy by the Obama team, now could it?

When asked if Hillary’s comment had offended him, his response was:

Asked whether he had taken offense to Clinton’s remarks, the Illinois Democrat said he had not been the one to raise the subject. “Senator Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill-advised remark, about King and Lyndon Johnson. I didn’t make the statement,” Obama said in a conference call with reporters. “I haven’t remarked on it. And she, I think, offended some folks who felt that somehow diminished King’s role in bringing about the Civil Rights Act. She is free to explain that. But the notion that somehow this is our doing is ludicrous.”

Obama’s a smooth operator. He never soils his hands. He’s above it all, don’tcha know. He sends out his subliminal messages and sits back, silently letting his supporter do his dirty work.

When he says jump they ask…HOW HIGH?

Unbelievable. Anyhoo, this is a black conservative’s take. Found it while I was searching.

Can White Americans Criticize President Obama and Not be labeled A Racist?

I like his take on it. Very impressive.

Midori

September 16th, 2009
4:22 pm

On edit a bit more:

West told police he became upset because Hill spit on him after accusing him of trying to hit her daughter, according to the police report. But several witnesses said they never saw the 35-year-old Army reservist spit on West.

The entire incident was caught on the restaurant’s video surveillance system, but Cracker Barrel officials and police declined to release the video Tuesday because it’s part of an ongoing investigation.

http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2009/09/attack-on-army-re…

Midori

September 16th, 2009
4:23 pm

want some more?

But just seconds later Ellis watched as 7-year-old Shiyenn Hill’s mother Tawshawnea Hill was beaten by 6′2″ 250 lb. Troy Dale West. Police said the beating happened right in front of Shiyenn.

—–

The employee said Hill told West, “Please don’t do this, I’m in the military,” to which West responded “I don’t give a f***you black n***** b****and then started punching her.” The employee said “I saw the foot motion of him kicking her. As he was punching her, he called her a black n***** b**** twice.”

Ginger Ellis says she is convinced the attack was racially motivated “because he used the N word and the way he kept kicking her and he kept hitting her. You could see the evilness on his face.”

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/20931542/detail.html

Hef

September 16th, 2009
4:27 pm

Midori-Question why did no one help? Reports state numerous witnesses.

Jackie

September 16th, 2009
4:28 pm

@Midori

Turns out the fight between the kids on the bus was a fight between two kids who wanted the same seat. The Chief of Police indicates the report by Drudge and pushed up by Rush and his loonies was nothing to do about nothing.

As usual, the so-called conservatives EXTRAPOLATE, CONFLATE and OBFUSCATE.

Midori

September 16th, 2009
4:29 pm

hef,

that is the $10 million question………

however, I read somewhere that Cracker Barrell employees finally came to her aid.

Bruno

September 16th, 2009
4:31 pm

“Ginger Ellis says she is convinced the attack was racially motivated “because he used the N word and the way he kept kicking her and he kept hitting her. You could see the evilness on his face.”

The last I checked, punching and kicking someone is a crime, and I’m sure this guy will be punished for it. Calling someone a name shouldn’t be a crime, however, that is if you believe in the First Amendment.

Hef

September 16th, 2009
4:32 pm

Midori-What after the thug got tired of kickin her a*s in front of her daughter,they decided to step in. Thug & bystanders guilty as charged!

RW-(the original)

September 16th, 2009
4:35 pm

What amazingly convoluted logic. If Beck is a racist for thinking Obama is a racist then I guess Jay is a racist for thinking Beck is a racist. Carter would be a racist for thinking the protesters are racists, Dowd would be a racist for making up her racist fantasy of what Wilson “really wanted” to say and so on and so on……

…which is why I try to stay off these “race” threads. Good thing a floor has been added on upstairs. Then again looking at the title of the post it might be just more of the same.

DeKalb Conservative

September 16th, 2009
4:35 pm

@ Hef

“Midori-Question why did no one help? Reports state numerous witnesses.”

Perhaps I can try this with my liberal logic abilities: It must be because everyone at Cracker Barrel is a racist! Think about it. Don’t you find it weird that Cracker Barrel is never in urban areas, including the inner city, but its restaurant is located is more rural areas. Heck, just the word “cracker” in Cracker Barrel denotes of just how racist the entire enterprise is. Call Al Sharpton, rally the NAACP, its time to boycott Cracker Barrel, demand they remove the word “cracker” from their brand name and build more restaurants in urban areas where a more diverse community can access their country cooking.

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
4:38 pm

Obama on Grandmother: Obama took a break from campaigning and flew to Hawaii to be with Dunham as her health declined. Obama said the decision to go to Hawaii was easy to make, telling CBS that he “got there too late” when his mother died of ovarian cancer in 1995 at 53, and wanted to make sure “that I don’t make the same mistake twice.” “She’s the one who taught me about hard work,” he said. “She’s the one who put off buying a new car or a new dress for herself so that I could have a better life. She poured everything she had into me.”
Obama’s nickname for his grandmother was “Toot,” a version of the Hawaiian word for grandmother, tutu. Many of his speeches describe her working on a bomber assembly line during World War II. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27522679/

Obama on his grandfather: One of my earliest memories is of sitting on my grandfather’s shoulders as the astronauts from one of the Apollo missions arrived at Hickam Air Force Base after a successful splashdown,” Obama wrote in Dreams From My Father.

“I remember the astronauts, in aviator glasses, as being far away, barely visible through the portal of an isolation chamber. But Gramps would always swear that one of the astronauts waved just at me and that I waved back. It was part of the story he told himself. With his black son-in-law and his brown grandson, Gramps had entered the space age.” Dunham died in Honolulu at the age of 73 in 1992 — four years before his grandson won his first political office.
“I can tell you Stanley would be right proud of Barack,” said Virginia Goeldner, 72, Stanley Dunham’s half-sister. “He was a wonderful fella, and he was very, very proud of Barack. . . .
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545442,BSX-News-wotreedd09.stng

Obama on his mother: n her own way, Ann tried to compensate for the absence of black people in her son’s life. At night, she came home from work with books on the civil rights movement and recordings of Mahalia Jackson. Her aspirations for racial harmony were simplistic. “She was very much of the early Dr. [Martin Luther] King era,” Obama says. “She believed that people were all basically the same under their skin, that bigotry of any sort was wrong and that the goal was then to treat everybody as unique individuals.” Ann gave her daughter, who was born in 1970, dolls of every hue: “A pretty black girl with braids, an Inuit, Sacagawea, a little Dutch boy with clogs,” says Soetoro-Ng, laughing. “It was like the United Nations.” Obama’s mother cared deeply about helping poor women, and she had two biracial children. But neither of them remembers her talking about sexism or racism. “She spoke mostly in positive terms: what we are trying to do and what we can do,” says Soetoro-Ng, who is now a history teacher at a girls’ high school in Honolulu. “She wasn’t ideological,” notes Obama. “I inherited that, I think, from her. She was suspicious of cant.” He remembers her joking that she wanted to get paid as much as a man, but it didn’t mean she would stop shaving her legs. In his recent Philadelphia speech on race, in which he acknowledged the grievances of blacks and whites, Obama was consciously channeling his mother. “When I was writing that speech,” he told nbc News, “her memory loomed over me. Is this something that she would trust?” When it came to race, Obama told me, “I don’t think she was entirely comfortable with the more aggressive or militant approaches to African-American politics.” http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-6,00.html

Regarding your post about Obama not wanting to talk about his white mother, here are some posts from other bi-racial children:

Halle Berry: When we lived in the black neighbourhood, we weren’t liked because my mother was white. In the white neighbourhood, they didn’t like me because I was black. That was the beginning of my trying to be what I thought people wanted to be.’

Mariah Carey: . “My struggles began when I was 5,” she recalls. Two moments crystallized this for Carey: The first was when two White teacher’s assistants laughed at her for trying to draw her father with a brown crayon. The second was Carey’s taking her 6-year-old best friend to her father’s house and her friend’s bursting into tears at the sight of a Black man hugging his now obviously not-White daughter.

Jennifer Beale: Beals stated that her biracial heritage had some impact on her, as she “always lived sort-of on the outside”, with an idea “of being the other in society”

Troy Beyer: Troy Beyer says she experienced identity crisis while growing up in New York City with her Black mother and later with her White father in Idaho, where she was the eeonly Black child at her high school. “I used to think it was hard being both Black and White,” she says. “I didn’t know who I was. I just wanted to be one or the other. But now I wouldn’t have changed a thing. “My father was always proud of what I was, and he used to say, ‘Darling, you have the best of both worlds,’ so I felt lucky

“Race is so important in our society that people have to know how to classify you racially.”
Dr. Fairchild, whose mother is Japanese American and father is Black, says that when he makes speaking appearances, people unfailingly want to know whether he is from Tonga or Hawaii or some other South Pacific locale. “I find it a little distracting because I’m there to convey a message, not to discuss my background,” he says.

How a biracial child copes with his identity crisis often depends on the support and influence of his parents. In many cases, the parents are divorced and the child has little, if any, contact with the Black parent. Consequently, he or she may not develop a healthy Black identity; at the same time, he is constantly reminded that he is “different” from the White children.

Hef

September 16th, 2009
4:40 pm

AND IN THIS CORNER-Reigning Chief Executive of WWE Linda McMahon!!!!! McMahon to enter Conn. Senate race held by Chris Dodd,Oh God please help my GOP. What Jimmy “The Fly” Snucka was’nt available?

Midori

September 16th, 2009
4:40 pm

Dekalb – I wouldn’t go that far.

There could be any number of reasons as to why no one came forward.

Friends of yours? Maybe you are projecting their thoughts.

Thanks Jackie.

BravesFan79

September 16th, 2009
4:44 pm

Thank you for bringing up the St Louis incident. If people are talking about “hate crimes” violation for the incident with the Army lady, how is the school bus incident not a “hate crime”!?

The answer is the same reason the Knoxville case in which the 2 Univ of Tenn students were carjacked BOTH raped and tourted and murdered by black thugs… was not a HATE CRIME! Because the media / NAACP only seeks to promote and fight against “white racism” while ignoring the fact that blacks do 3 times the hate crimes that whites do!

Midori

September 16th, 2009
4:47 pm

Braves Fan,

wonder if they yelled “honkey” while they did it?

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
4:50 pm

“What is Jawjaw?”

It’s a synonym for Georgia I like to use when I represent the pandemic ignorance there.

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
4:52 pm

The question was asked: “What is Jawjaw?”

It’s my and other people’s synonym for Georgia representing the widespread ignorance that abounds there.

Hef

September 16th, 2009
4:52 pm

True story-There was a restaurant chain up north called SAMBO’s of all things,it was there for years.No one thought much of it,then out of the blue they were picketed/protested upon by out of state groups. I moved to Atl and don’t know for a fact but I think the restarant either changed it’s name or went out of business. Oh yeah name of restaurant was derived from two owners 1st names,Sam & Bo. No lie

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
4:53 pm

Dekalb Conservative: You gave me a link to a youtube site; you STILL have not read the book yourself and gathered your own views. Here’ is an excerpt from the forward in the book when it was republished, from Obama. Pay careful attention to the paragraph where he writes that instead of dedicating the book to his absent father, he should’ve paid more attention to the parent who was there all the time. Doesn’t sound like someone who hates white people to me…..:

The exception is my mother, whom we lost, with a brutal swiftness, to cancer a few months after this book was published.

She had spent the previous ten years doing what she loved. She traveled the world, working in the distant villages of Asia and Africa, helping women buy a sewing machine or a milk cow or an education that might give them a foothold in the world’s economy. She gathered friends from high and low, took long walks, stared at the moon, and foraged through the local markets of Delhi or Marrakesh for some trifle, a scarf or stone carving that would make her laugh or please the eye. She wrote reports, read novels, pestered her children, and dreamed of grandchildren.

We saw each other frequently, our bond unbroken. During the writing of this book, she would read the drafts, correcting stories that I had misunderstood, careful not to comment on my characterizations of her but quick to explain or defend the less flattering aspects of my father’s character. She managed her illness with grace and good humor, and she helped my sister and me push on with our lives, despite our dread, our denials, our sudden constrictions of the heart.

I think sometimes that had I known she would not survive her illness, I might have written a different book — less a meditation on the absent parent, more a celebration of the one who was the single constant in my life. In my daughters I see her every day, her joy, her capacity for wonder. I won’t try to describe how deeply I mourn her passing still. I know that she was the kindest, most generous spirit I have ever known, and that what is best in me I owe to her.

Excerpted from Dreams from My Father by Barack Obama Copyright© 2004 by Barack Obama. Excerpted by permission of Three Rivers Press, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher.

http://www.wnyc.org/books/40725

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
4:53 pm

I wonder what ole Bruno thinks when he sees the ignorant signs that are pandemic and the birther meme from ignorant people. Because those are clearly racist.

Jay didn’t comment on either of those.

Hef

September 16th, 2009
4:56 pm

Just did a wiki-names were derived from owners 1st & last names. Northern chains were renamed to “The Jolly Tiger”

Normal

September 16th, 2009
4:56 pm

md: Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it.
SCOOTER, been to the doc and the wife has taken over…I’m in good hands…Thanks for your concern… :-)

Public Option or No Bill

September 16th, 2009
5:24 pm

I’m not sure that misplaced protesting against a restaurant named Sambo’s Hef (there are several in the US right now) has much relevance to the wide spread racism being expressed against Obama.

What is happening is that rage at things that aren’t remotely Obama’s fault are being channelled into the deep and long held racist views by white ignorants.

And here’s what’s ironic. Much of the rage is being projected because of the economic situation and Republicans are right in the forefront of the fight to prevent economic reform:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/business/15sorkin.html

Reforming the Financial System

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/opinion/14mon1.html

Historygeek

September 16th, 2009
5:55 pm

DDR: Sorry for the long time to post. I had work to take care of and I was not shrinking from the discussion. I believe part of our problem is people not having open honest discussions and falling back on name calling (racist, liberal, rightwing idiots, fascist, Nazi). Labels though are correct when someone admits it themself.

“PROVE IT. Talk is cheap. Show me links” You’re right, and I don’t have the links to the quotes, but I am sure you will remember them all.

That a typical black person has had a negative trait bred into them?
“She is a typical white person, who if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, then there’s a reaction that is bred into our experiences”.

That typical black people don’t care about poor white children?
“I want to emphasis the word responsibility whether you are a white executive living out in the suburbs who doesn’t want to pay taxes to inner city children for them to go to school…”

That blacks routinely target whites unfairly and it showed their stupidity? The Gates story: “The Cambridge Police acted stupidly…” because there is a history of racial profiling. Even though President Obama admitted he did not know all the facts. He fell back on the prism of how he sees the world.

That we should build policies to support whites instead of blacks based on the color of their skin alone? He supports affirmative action and has said that he thinks it has done good, but it needs to do more. There needs to be more programs like that to support minorities.

His default position is to see white people as typically unfair. Does this make him racist/bigoted? Not necessarily. But when you add to it that many of his advisors and friends have these same views, and that they have tried to hide or at least not promote these ideas over the past 18-24 months, you have to wonder why. I support our country and our president. I simply do not agree on the road that the policies that he, his party, and (for the most part) the other party have been taking us. The problem in all of this is that both parties have been thinking for too long that Government (or more government “oversite” (control)) is the answer to all problems. I, and many others, disagree.

TnGelding

September 16th, 2009
6:19 pm

pat

September 16th, 2009
3:08 pm

“Fact Check: Obama’s Consistent Position on the Patriot Act”

“Obama Has Consistently Said He Would Support A Patriot Act That Would Strengthen Civil Liberties Without Sacrificing The Tools That Law Enforcement Needs To Keep Us Safe”

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/01/05/fact_check_obamas_consistent_p_1.php

“In a letter to lawmakers, Justice Department officials said the administration supports extending the three expiring provisions of the law, although they are willing to consider additional privacy protections as long as they don’t weaken the effectiveness of the law.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090916/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_patriot_act_10

Kevin

September 16th, 2009
6:46 pm

Jay,

Would you go as far as publicly condemning Maureen Dowd’s (NYT) column? How about former President Carter?

I have been dumbfounded how Ms. Dowd, Mr. Carter, or Mr. Johnson made the leap from Rep. Wilson’s (dumb) two word exclamation to charges of racism.

Can’t you comprehend that when this kind of “what he really meant” occurs, it makes people feel like they will be labeled as racist if they question anything about the president? That, my friend, is nuts. Plain and simple.

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
6:50 pm

Bruno: Ummmmm, don’t you think that these statements could be construed as being, ummmmmm, shall I say, racist. DDR? “Their own” ?!?! Would you give me a free pass if I made a statement like that?

We are one species, but somewhere along the evolutionary ladder we’ve become comfortable with people who look like us, sound like us, and act like us. Who ARE us per se. So, you’re telling me that you would be totally comfortable in a room full of Arabs and you’re the only American? NO you wouldn’t!!

My father was a soldier – and I noticed that when we were overseas all the Americans hanged together, no matter what their color. Why? Because we were comfortable with each other. We understood each other’s slang words and habits. In England a cigarette is called a “f@a@g”. If someone from England came up to you and asked you for a f@ag! if you didn’t know what they meant, would you become offended? Probably, because you’re not familiar with the British slang words and you’d thought they were trying to be funny. That’s why when we were overseas Americans congregated together because “like attracts like”. Lots of Jocks hang with other jocks. Lots of highly educated people hang with other highly educated people. MENSA has their followers as do NASCAR and Trekkies. Similiar interests and shared history blend people together. That doesn’t mean that you NEVER cross over – it just means that the majority of your friends and acquaintances like the same things that you do.

Dekalb: “People don’t trust other people who have no affinity towards their own” is this limited to race? To say people aren’t naturally drawn towards similar people is a lie. However, is it really race, or is it class and other beliefs?

I think it’s a combination of things. Before I fell for Dudley, I used to date this guy from Jamaica. He and I were similiar in that we had the same melanin; HOWEVER we were dissimiliar because we came from different cultures. His culture and attitudes, as an American woman, were abhorrent to me. And he thought that I, as a BLACK American woman, had no respect for the Black man. Although I loved his accent and we had great fun together, it didn’t last long.

Enter Dudley. Soldier. White guy from the south. Came from same culture. Still together. End of story. :)

Bruno: So, Deb, does that mean that other whites should shun me since all of my clients as well as my GF are all black? I’m not very close to my family either. What does that say about me? Just curious.

Bruno, you missed the TOTAL point of my post. The 2 republicans that were named don’t even want to associate, talk to, or mention their families. I would wonder about someone who doesn’t give a rat’s behind about their families. I know you’ve heard the saying “If he treats his mother that way, he’ll treat you that way”. Your families say a lot about you, good, bad or indifferent.

Jen

September 16th, 2009
7:05 pm

Sambo means “my friend” in Swahili.

I know it’s a pejorative in America but I always think “my friend” when I hear it.

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
7:13 pm

HistoryGeek: No prob. I was off-line for a minute myself, servers went down.

Your first quote, let’s look at the paragraph before it: “I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

Do you think his grandmother, who loved him dearly, was racist? OR do you think she had an innate fear of black men bred into her by where she grew up or from the medias portrayal of black men?

The rest of the quote: “the point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person who, you know, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there is a reaction that has been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way”

Before that speech let’s take a look back real quick at some of the major events that hit america in the past few years prior to this remark.

Susan Smith — drowned her children but blamed black man for it. Her friends said that Susan wasn’t racist but she knew she’d probably be believed more quickly if she said a black man abducted her children.

Charles Stuart — who shot his pregnant wife in Boston and blamed a black man for it.

The McCain campaign staffer who said that a black man attacked her and carved a “B” on her face.

Do you see where I’m going here? There’s a lot of fear from white america concerning black men; some real some imagined. But it’s amazing how if you want to get away with something these days that you’ve done, all you have to say is “some dark skinned black guy did it….”

His grandmother was typical to me because even though she loved her grandson, she still had an innate fear of black people in general. I’m sure growing up, Obama had to deal with a lot of people who followed him through stores, grabbed their purses when he got onto an elevator, etc. He would obviously take their actions to mean “typical white people fear” of the unknown.

DebbieDoRight

September 16th, 2009
7:25 pm

HistoryGeek: “The Cambridge Police acted stupidly…” because there is a history of racial profiling. Even though President Obama admitted he did not know all the facts. He fell back on the prism of how he sees the world.

How do YOU see the world? Do you believe that racial profiling doesn’t happen? I have been profiled and pulled over and harrassed for no reason myself. I was driving my friend’s car who’s on the Hawks and it was a nice big ole Cadillac (those truck looking cars). I was driving in Miami, Liberty City, (all of us went down for the weekend and since I knew the area I was going out to buy some conch already sauteed and tenderized so that I could make some conch fritters); I was stopped at a RED LIGHT, when all of a sudden the cops flash their lights behind me. I thought they wanted to get by so I pulled over to get out the way, when I saw they were after me I was astounded. I mean how much could i have done wrong stopped at a red light? This cop made me get out of the car, turn around and put handcuffs on me, then he had me to sit on the corner while his partner shined a light in my face and asked me about the car I was driving (they had SAID the car had been stolen–that was their rationale for pulling me over).

I sat on that curb for about 30 minutes and the cop with the flashlight, (which he NEVER stopped shining in my face), kept spitting in my direction. When they finally uncuffed me, I asked for their badge numbers — I was told by law they couldn’t give it to me, they laughed and got back in their car. I was so angry, embarrassed and hurt; that if I had a gun I would’ve blown their brains out. To them it was a joke, to me, it was as if i had been violated.

So now when I hear stories about cops and their run ins with black motorists, I am 100% on the motorists side. So did my experience cloud by impartiality about cops YES. HELL YES. Why? Because I’m HUMAN. Not PERFECT.

Brittancus

September 16th, 2009
7:31 pm

As usual the opponents of any kind of restriction on the illegal immigration, is playing the race card? It’s a forgone conclusion that the benefactors of promoting a mass invasion of our shores, such as religious groups, unions, ACLU, radical ethnic caucuses and even our own US Chamber of Commerce, will mouth epithets that doesn’t benefit big business, that doesn’t advocate a continuous force of illegal cheap labor. Now they are really livid because their objection to E-Verify was thrown out of court. Now all federal contractors and subcontractors must adhere to the law. They have conspired against the American worker and people for too long, and now we are fighting back ourselves against corrupt politicians and other elected officials nationwide,

Rep.Joe Wilson was actually telling the truth at the time, and now Democrats have placed restrictive language in the Health care reform package as a reluctant afterthought by public demand. This was nothing to do about bigotry or racism, but the American workers and family survival. None of the business community who hire them wants their labor, but forces the taxpayer to carry the financial load. The US labor force should not have to be in competition, with people from other countries. Businesses have already offshore American jobs, because it’s cheaper? So every illegal foreign national and family member should be exempt from government run health care, jobs and all the billions of taxpayer dollars secretly allocated to pay for their support. Twenty million plus illegal people compromised themselves, when they entered a sovereign nation without permission. Find out the truth at NUMBERSUSA, JUDICIAL WATCH and contact your politician at 202-224-3121 demanding no weakening conditions to E-Verify or any other law authored by Congress.

number1ninja

September 16th, 2009
8:47 pm

They are racist because Obummer is 90% Bush, and now after spending five years calling people unamerican and terrorist sympathizers for not mindlessly worshipping Bush, they’re screaming bloody murder at what they mere months ago were fanatically defending. It got bad with Clinton, but not this bad. And anybody who tries the old “we’re just doing what libs did for Bush” should be educated on his 90% approval ratings until the Iraq debacle was finally exposed for what it was.

number1ninja

September 16th, 2009
8:48 pm

They are racist because O’bummer is 90% Bush, and now after spending five years calling people unamerican and terrorist sympathizers for not mindlessly worshipping Bush, they’re screaming bloody murder at what they mere months ago were fanatically defending. It got bad with Clinton, but not this bad. And anybody who tries the old “we’re just doing what libs did for Bush” should be educated on Bush’s 90% approval ratings until the Iraq debacle was finally exposed for what it was.

number1ninja

September 16th, 2009
8:48 pm

Jay, fix your site!

TnGelding

September 16th, 2009
10:48 pm

Brittancus

September 16th, 2009
7:31 pm

Joe Wilson seems like a decent fellow that just got caught up in the moment. Pelosi should have let it slide, but I guess it was hard to do after she let Bush escape.

How much of the economic growth over the last 30 years has been due to illegal immigration? That and their contributions to Social Security without being eligible for benefits is why the government looked the other way.

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September 17th, 2009
12:38 am

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robert

September 17th, 2009
3:05 am

“The overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity to Obama is based on the fact that he is black..” Yes, the truth hurts, doesn’t it? I’m talking to you — you white southern racists. It seems that half the white population of the south are nothing but ignorant racists. This region of the country is an albatross on the neck of America. We’d be so much better off if we could just saw it off and let it drift into the Atlantic. I am deeply sorry that the North won the civil war. Oh wait, I mean the war of Northern Agression. Lincoln has a lot to answer for. That guy could have saved generations of Americans from being weighed down by that sorry stupid excuse of culture known as the South. Boy, we could only dream of what things might have been like. Time and time again southern “culture” has produced political dialogue somewhere between retarded and cretin. How can we explain the birthers? How do we explain the hysteria over allowing Obama speak to school children? And the claim of “you lie” over a point in which the congressman making this statement is 100% wrong? This outburst was extraodinary for the level of disrespect and lack of decorum, but the statement wasn’t even true. It wasn’t even close to being true. It was about as wrong as you could be.
Yes there is a clear explanation that ties together all these seemingly disparate irrationalities. That explanation is simple. Some people in this country — mostly from the South — dont believe that a black man can or should be president. It makes their head hurt, the idea of it. If it seems to be true — well it can’t be. Yes, I see him on the television, and everyone seems to say he is president. But the fact remains that he is black. And how can a black man really be president? The answer is that he can’t. And if by some horrible mistake in the cosmos he is, then of course he is a thug, liar, nazi, etc…
The theory of cognitive dissonance is useful here. The white south just cant reconcile two truths: One, the president is the leader of our country and deserves the respect that the office of the president holds. Two, the president is black. Now your average southern racist just cant keep these two ideas in his head at the same time. Something’s got to give. Either he isnt the president (the birthers) or he isnt deserving of any respect (all other southern jack offs).
I’m sorry if the South is the most openly ignorant and racist part of the country. I realize that there are many people in the south who are neither. and that there are plenty of ignorant racists in other parts of the country. But what’s obvious is obvious. Face up to realty. Yes, the truth hurts.

Archie

September 17th, 2009
3:45 pm

Jay,like many whites you miss the point that Carter gets. Joe Wilson is a racist not just because of this outburst but because he has repeatedly, to use your term, done things in code. Wilson said that a lady was trying to smear Strom Thurmond by saying she’s his daughter, well the fact is she is Thurmond’s daughter and she’s black and also Wilson said the woman should have kept on being quiet about her true parentage. Wilson also tried to stop a bridge project in Clyburn’s district and he held a town hall meeting in Clyburn’s district at the very school where Clyburn’s children once attended school. Columnist Maureen O’Dowd noted these facts and she is white and I note these facts because I am from South Carolina and I remember these facts. Most of Wilson’s behavior is subtle jabs here and there at Clyburn and other blacks he doesn’t like but then most racist behavior is subtle and no one ever admits to being a racist but then they react so angrily,so angrily. Anyone can disagree with Obama’s policies but let me state I know black republicans and privately they will say Wilson is a racist and the fact that President Obama does not say this means nothing because what else can he say? Obama knows it’s better to take the subtle disses but the rest of us, Carter,O’Dowd,Maher,myself, and many others simply call it like we see it. I am so hoping that my state will progress into the 21st century.

Brad Stonecipher

September 18th, 2009
1:24 pm

Picked on? I guess Rodney King was just roughed up a little by some well meaning policemen. Did you actually watch the video of the St. Louis school bus. That was a beat down by a bunch of THUGS to use your racist term. If that had been an African American beaten by a whites it would have been a hate crime . Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would be on their way to St. Louis and it would have lead the evening news.

Tim

September 18th, 2009
5:04 pm

Enter your comments here

I was reading the paper this morning, and I got around to the editorial page. I saw Jim Wooten and Charles Krauthaumer, and I immediately skipped past those clowns. I assumed that at least I could read a common-sense article from Jay Bookman. I read the first line, “Hank Johnson, the Democratic congressman from Dekalb County, owes an apology to his colleague Joe Wilson”. I wanted to vomit. It took me a while to get past that first sentence.

Here we have a “progressive” white columnist telling a progressive black congressman to apologize to a white racist because he called him a white racist. There needs to be a moratorium on black men apologizing. After watching Michael Vick apologize 500 times, and after witnessing President Obama host a beer summit for the stupidly behaving Officer Crowley, I can’t take anymore. If anyone from Hank Johnson’s camp is reading this, YOU BETTER NOT EVEN THINK OF APOLOGIZING!!!

Leave it to Jay Bookman to come to the defense of this neo-Confederate. Congressman Joe Wilson:

1. Is fond of Strom Thurmond

2. Wanted the Confederate flag to continue flying on top of the State house in S.C.

3. Did I mention he is fond of Strom Thurmond?

Why would a non-racist white man admire Thurmond? Can you answer that Jay?

If a white man wanted a swastika to fly at a statehouse, and admired neo-Nazis, Bookman would have no problem with the man being labeled Anti-Semetic. No one would say anything if the Anti-Defamation League spoke out, but if Reverend Sharpton or Jackson speaks out against an obvious racist, then they are playing the mythical “race card”. What a laughable double standard. Jay says that crying “racism” is a rhetorical nuclear bomb. Notice how he used the word “crying”. You know, as if calling a Strom Thurmond/Conderate Flag loving congressman a racist is somehow an exaggeration. Why can’t we have some truly progressive columnists on the editorial page? The page is filled with right-wing conservatives and centrists who want to show Republicans they can be “fair”.

Bookman, you should be ashamed of yourself asking Hank Johnson to apologize to Joe Wison. Are you living in bazarro world? It’s time for Democrats to stop being well-mannered wimps.

Thank you President Carter for speaking the truth. Thank you for not providing cover for Neo-Confederates.