Orly Taitz and the birthers, falling down into the rabbit hole
Today a federal judge down in Columbus dismissed yet another suit by a military officer seeking to duck service in Iraq by claiming that Barack Obama is not a citizen.
Just for grins, I went and read the order. It’s pretty good stuff.
Here’s a taste from the acid pen of Judge Clay Land:
First, Plaintiff’s challenge to her deployment order is frivolous. She has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is ineligible to serve as President of the United States. Instead, she uses her Complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the President is “an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, [and] an unqualified imposter.” (Compl. ¶ 21.)
She continues with bare, conclusory allegations that the President is “an alien, possibly even an unnaturalized or even an unadmitted illegal alien . . . without so much as lawful residency in the United States.” (Id. ¶ 26.) Then, implying that the President is either a wandering nomad or a prolific identity fraud crook, she alleges that the President “might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 social security numbers prior to assuming the office of President.” (Id. ¶ 110 (emphasis added).) Acknowledging the existence of a document that shows the President was born in Hawaii, Plaintiff alleges that the document “cannot be verified as genuine, and should be presumed fraudulent.” (Id. ¶ 113 (emphasis added).)
In further support of her claim, Plaintiff relies upon “the general opinion in the rest of the world” that “Barack Hussein Obama has, in essence, slipped through the guardrails to become President.” (Id. ¶ 128.) Moreover, as though the “general opinion in the rest of the world” were not enough, Plaintiff alleges in her Complaint that according to an “AOL poll 85% of Americans believe that Obama was not vetted, needs to be vetted and his vital records need to be produced.” (Id. ¶ 154.)
Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof, Plaintiff unashamedly alleges that Defendant has the burden to prove his “natural born” status. (Id. ¶¶ 136-138, 148.) Thus, Plaintiff’s counsel, who champions herself as a defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to compel a
citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to “prove his innocence” to “charges” that are based upon conjecture and speculation. Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to purportedly “protect and preserve” those very principles.”
Judge Land tossed the suit as frivolous, granted the defendants (the US Army) court costs and warned wacko birther attorney Orly Taitz that if she brought another such suit into his court she would face legal sanctions.
In an apparent effort to cement her claim to the crown of wacko birther, Taitz told the folks at Talking Points Memo that Judge Land is “a typical puppet of the regime — just like in the Soviet Union” and that “somebody should consider trying [Land] for treason and aiding and abetting this massive fraud known as Barack Hussein Obama.”
The human species is remarkable in its wondrous diversity and ability to entertain, is it not?
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josef nix
September 16th, 2009
6:08 pm
Oh, boy! This ought to really be fun!
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
6:08 pm
“The human species is remarkable in its wondrous diversity and ability to entertain, is it not?”
ESPECIALLY in it’s ability to entertain. We see the lack of understanding of the “burden of proof” here on this very spot every day.
Jay
September 16th, 2009
6:08 pm
You’re welcome, Josef.
josef nix
September 16th, 2009
6:09 pm
JAY
“The human species is remarkable in its wondrous diversity and ability to entertain, is it not?”
Well put!
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
6:10 pm
Josef…two minds with a single thought? (just differently expressed!)
josef nix
September 16th, 2009
6:14 pm
Doggone–well, they do say great ones run in the same channel. ‘Course, yours is great, mine is just grate…
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
6:18 pm
“‘Course, yours is great, mine is just grate… ”
Well, I wouldn’t argue! But I’m SURE there are plenty (TF comes to mind) who would disagree!
jt
September 16th, 2009
6:18 pm
Acid pen indeed- Acid justice too.
They include the place where, in 1912, a mob grabbed a terrified 14-year-old black boy from a courtroom after the jury had found him not guilty of murdering a white playmate, Cedron ‘Cleo’ Land, in a hunting accident.
On his knees in front of the angry crowd the black boy pleaded for his life, but it was to no avail.
Under the leadership of the boy’s father and uncle, a wealthy local farmer called Aaron Land, he was shot up to 50 times.
Yet today, nearly a century later, the echoes of those killings ring loudly.
The direct descendants of that mob’s leaders have played a hand in a grave new injustice: the arrest, trial and handing down of the death sentence on a black man whose guilt has palpably not been proved beyond reasonable doubt; where box files of fresh evidence are consistently ignored; where self-interest appears to be driving the man to his end.
In Georgia’s forbidding Diagnostic And Classification Prison, 56-year-old Carlton Michael Gary has been on death row since 1986 for the rape and murder of seven elderly white women in the so-called Stocking Stranglings.
His most recent attempt to win a retrial failed six weeks ago.
I first met Gary in November 1998 in a bare, oppressive death row visitors’ room.
He made no secret of his previous convictions for robbery and handling stolen goods, but he protested his innocence of the stranglings: “I’m not Prince Valiant,” he said, “but I’m not Satan, either.”
As I investigated his case further, I became certain the trial was a farce, in which evidence was systematically hidden and misrepresented.
Of course, Gary is just one of dozens of black men on America’s death row with questionable convictions.
But what kept me coming back to his case was its almost incredible links with the area’s deeply rooted racist past.
In 1984, Gary’s case was assigned to Judge John Land, 63 at the time, who fatally skewed the trial by refusing to grant a cent of public funding to his defence lawyer.
Land was the son of farmer Aaron Land. Moreover, Gary’s request for a retrial was handed to Judge Clay Land ? John Land’s great-nephew.
josef nix
September 16th, 2009
6:20 pm
“It’s very good jam,” said the Queen.
“Well, I don’t want any to-day, at any rate.”
“You couldn’t have it if you did want it,” the Queen said. “The rule is jam tomorrow and jam yesterday but never jam to-day.”
“It must come sometimes to “jam to-day,”"Alice objected.
“No it can’t,” said the Queen. “It’s jam every other day; to-day isn’t any other day, you know.”
“I don’t understand you,” said Alice. “It’s dreadfully confusing.”
—Through the Looking Glass.
Okay, so it’s down the rabbit hole, but it’s still Alice!
S.H.
September 16th, 2009
6:28 pm
This is a serious matter and not to be down played with words like “wacho” and “birther” which are added to this article in an attempt to discredit or attack the creditiblity of Orly Taitz, Rhodes or anyone who actually BELIVES in the very foundation on which our country was founded with the creation of the US CONSTITUTION. The US Constitution was created to prevent a government take over of this great country which is EXACTLY what is going on with the current administration. Orly Taitz has a lot more intelligence, common sense and guts than the person who wrote this article. Words are CHEAP…I am all for EXPOSING OBAMA and the current soclistic, marxist, communist agenda working deceitfully and contructively to take this country away from its citizens. GO ORLY…too bad more people do not have the courage and abilities of Orly Taitz. I hope the Judge gets impeached, removed totally from what he calls “his” courtroom. I have NEWS for the Judge
the people of California pay his salary and for THAT COURT ROOM HE CALLS HIS.
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
6:30 pm
Hey Josef! It’s started!
vince neil
September 16th, 2009
6:33 pm
BHO is a cynical opportunist who at best has used his miscellaneous associates..and at worst is one of them too…but that said the citizens who serve must first answer to the country as the president will change again…sooner rather than later….and really….the AIW references…..please everyone you are so clever…it just makes me weary….in the way that makes me sigh……………….again…..
TaxPayer
September 16th, 2009
6:34 pm
Witch!
Oops! Pardon me. Wrong century. And, it’s not even in Salem.
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
6:37 pm
anyone got any popcorn?
Paul
September 16th, 2009
6:40 pm
By rights, the Army should court-martial Captain Embarrassing, but I’ve a feeling the next performance report will be in the toilet, so she’ll not make major and will be separated.
josef
Thanks for the note to come upstairs. It was getting surreal…..
your 6:20 – two days ago I picked up a jar of Wilkin & Sons strawberry “Little Scarlet” tiptree preserves. Incredible flavor, worth every penny. Strawberries as they tasted years ago, before being modified for shipping around the world.
you may now go back to your regularly scheduled hour of sucking up to white folks (altho some may appear to have tinges of pink, or yellow, or burnt umber…)
thomas
September 16th, 2009
6:40 pm
Jay,
Didn’t you write an article was it a dy or 2 ago criticizing those who would write articles, like the one from drudge, with nothing more than the intention to cause disagreement and a wedge to be driven between people.
Then here today you take credit for doing that very same thing.
So are you a do as I say not as I do kinda guy?
Paul
September 16th, 2009
6:41 pm
DoggoneGA
Of course! Orville Redenbacher, melted butter (real) and as much salt as you want. Washed down with the beverage of your choice.
How many bowls can I make you?
jconservative
September 16th, 2009
6:43 pm
The US Supreme Court has refused to hear two cases brought that alleged Obama was not a “natural born Citizen”. Chief Justice Roberts, handling the 1st Circuit, made the decisions.
Interestingly, there was also a case alleging that John McCain was not a natural born citizen. Roberts refused that case also.
You would think that would be the end of it. But apparently the case is not the point, the notoriety is the point.
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
6:44 pm
“Didn’t you write an article ”
You can’t blame Jay…sometimes the jokes just write themselves
Paul
September 16th, 2009
6:45 pm
josef nix
Check out the 6:34 and 6:36 downstairs.
Aren’t you glad people have a blog for an outlet? Implications otherwise would be daunting -
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
6:45 pm
“How many bowls can I make you?”
You like the same brand I do! One bowl will do just fine. (Wish I *really* had some!)
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 16th, 2009
6:46 pm
Hey, the right wing now has a Cindy Sheehan, except she is without the whole entire state run media letting her mug for the cameras, until she is no longer any use to them.
Will she be left in the ditches of Texas too?
TnGelding
September 16th, 2009
6:48 pm
I wish this was the end of it, but sadly I’m afraid it’s not.
“FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 16th, 2009
6:49 pm
Well, what I want to know is, is this court order the long form or the short form? If it’s the short form it don’t show nothing and ain’t legal and this woman needs to get another judge and another hearing.
It’s just a shame this Bookman and the other libruls on this blog are making fun of this poor woman. All she wants is what most of the rest of us Conservative Republicans want. Just say this Obama ain’t a born U.S. citizen and has no right to be President. And if he ain’t a lawful President the woman’s got a right not to go where he’s ordered her to go. Cause he can’t give a lawful order if he’s unlawful hisself. And if he ain’t a lawful President then John McCain won the election and should be President. McCain might could be on the librul side, but at least he’s a Republican.
Have a good night everybody.
Jen
September 16th, 2009
6:53 pm
http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/1947_eating_popcorn_and_drinking_beer.gif
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
6:54 pm
Jen…cute! But virtual popcorn and beer just ISN’T the same as the real thing, is it?
Paul
September 16th, 2009
6:54 pm
DoggoneGA
Well, have a rain check, collectable whenever you can manage. In the meantime, I’ll eat a bowl for you!
My folks are here for a visit, so I’m off to prepare dinner (or supper, depending on the part of county from which one hails) –
pleasant evening, all -
jconservative
September 16th, 2009
6:58 pm
Jay – what is the problem with this post?
jconservative Your comment is awaiting moderation.
September 16th, 2009
6:43 pm
The US Supreme Court has refused to hear two cases brought that alleged Obama was not a “natural born Citizen”. Chief Justice Roberts, handling the 1st Circuit, made the decisions.
Interestingly, there was also a case alleging that John McCain was not a natural born citizen. Roberts refused that case also.
You would think that would be the end of it. But apparently the case is not the point, the notoriety is the point.
RW-(the original)
September 16th, 2009
6:58 pm
Judge Land is really stretching things by saying that asking a citizen to prove his qualifications for the office of the Presidency is tantamount to asking them to prove their innocence. Said qualifications aren’t exactly frivolous guidelines, the judge can find them right there in Article II Section 1 of the Constitution.
Joaquin
September 16th, 2009
6:59 pm
Puppet of the regime? Judge Land was appointed by W.
Orly
September 16th, 2009
7:03 pm
RW, would you give me a call.
josef nix
September 16th, 2009
7:05 pm
“Now then, are you ready for your sentence? ”
“But there has to be a verdict first.”
“Sentence first! Verdict afterwards.”
“But that just isn’t the way.
“All ways are…!”
” …your ways, your Majesty.”
TnGelding
September 16th, 2009
7:06 pm
“Embattled ACORN orders independent investigation”
WASHINGTON (AP) – An advocacy group under fire after employees were caught on camera appearing to advise a couple posing as a prostitute and pimp to lie about the woman’s profession to get housing help said Wednesday it is ordering an independent investigation. The group, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, known as ACORN, said it is refusing new admissions into its service programs.
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESS_ACORN?SITE=GACAT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-09-16-18-13-20
josef nix
September 16th, 2009
7:09 pm
PAUL–thanks for the references. Started to ask him if he’d bothered to read that over and over I’ve said I DIDN’T vote for him, but why would he have read what I’ve said. He hasn’t read what HE said!
Doggone–
“It’s started…”
How long before it’s a day at the races?
Class of '98
September 16th, 2009
7:09 pm
I don’t know about the human species, but apparently Doggone and Josef are remarkably good at entertaining each other.
Anyway, this is the SOP of the Left. Find the biggest whacko you can find, and paint them as an example of mainstream conservative thought.
Weak. And getting weaker every day.
Public Option or No Bill
September 16th, 2009
7:11 pm
Orly and the Birthers are the majority of what this blog has as commenters only they are moderate in comparison.
Rockefeller to Baucus, Conrad: Co-ops Are a Sham, Public Option Is a Must
Brian Beutler | September 16, 2009, 3:31PM
“When it became clear several weeks ago that negotiators on the Senate Finance Committee were planning to pursue a private co-op model instead of a public option in their health reform bill, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)–a senior member of that committee, and chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee–undertook a study into the history and effectiveness of health insurance co-operatives.
“As part of that study, he asked the Government Accountability Office to bring together all of the research it had done over the years into the effectiveness of co-ops in the insurance market. Today, he sent a fairly scathing letter to Finance chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) and chief co-op advocate Kent Conrad (D-ND) regarding the results.”
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/rockefeller-to-baucus-conrad-co-ops-are-a-sham-public-option-is-a-must.php?ref=fpblg
Public Option or No Bill
September 16th, 2009
7:12 pm
Class of ‘98 making me smile before dinner. LOL
I can’t find any Repubozo that isn’t an extremist like Katy Abram. Name and cite me one.
Public Option or No Bill
September 16th, 2009
7:14 pm
Class of ‘98 didn’t you just describe the ACORN situation that popped yesterday to a “T”? It sure has obsessed a lot of your “conservative bretherin.”
Jay
September 16th, 2009
7:15 pm
Class, I speak only for myself, but I did not and would not suggest that the birthers are representative of conservatives.
I do wish that more conservatives would expressly and publicly reject that nonsense, but that’s another matter.
Jen
September 16th, 2009
7:15 pm
Dawg…no it’s not but it’s the best I can virtually do. I am indulting in a Terrapin Pale Ale while I observe the blogosphere.
josef nix
September 16th, 2009
7:15 pm
Class of 98…
…and your point would be?
Gotta step out for a minute here, Doggone it, one of “those people” from next door has showed up bearing gifts…
Class of '98
September 16th, 2009
7:15 pm
Name AND cite you one? How about if I just name one? Or should I cite one? You decide.
Class of '98
September 16th, 2009
7:17 pm
So, Public Option, (fomerly) federally-funded ACORN advising people to classify underage prostitutes as “dependents” to evade taxes doesn’t concern you? That’s just scary.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 16th, 2009
7:26 pm
You libs had better start living up to the fact that you were Created-
By the time the reader is done with them, an unbidden conviction takes shape: these astonishingly intricate molecular machines, and the informational software that drives them, could not have arisen, even in a vastly simpler form, as a result of chance combinations of chemicals on the primitive earth. Meyer then nails down that precise point with biological and mathematical tools.
Or else.
RollerGirl
September 16th, 2009
7:27 pm
So if I run for senate, it will be up to others to prove I am not at least 35, according to this jackass of a judge..I can state that I am, just as obama stated he was born in Hawaii, and that will be that…
And that village in kenya is STILL missing it’s Idiot…
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 16th, 2009
7:28 pm
Oh yeah, the book (-:
Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design
By Stephen C. Meyer
Repent, heathens!
Orly
September 16th, 2009
7:32 pm
I don’t know Jay. Me by any other name is still me. You know what me means.
jconservative
September 16th, 2009
7:32 pm
Jay – Please look at my 6:58 pm & let me know.
Thanks
Kayaker 71
September 16th, 2009
7:33 pm
Class of 98,
Absolutely nothing concerns those who continue to support ACORN and it’s criminal activities. The head of ACORN could be an axe murderer or child molester and most of the left would defend that organization just because it is ACORN. This blind loyalty to a criminal organization defies description. Public Option is just one of a group of idiots that thinks that Democratically back organizations can do no wrong and will back and support them no matter what they do. Sort of like those who voted for Marian Berry in DC following his drug conviction. The seven senators who voted for continuing funding for ACORN included Dick Durban and this new senator, Burris, I think is his name. Both from Illinois. Chicago politics at it’s best/worst, however you might view it. Makes you sort of sick, doesn’t it?
Orly
September 16th, 2009
7:33 pm
I’ll skate with you any time, Roller Girl. You rock.
Kamchak
September 16th, 2009
7:35 pm
I do wish that more conservatives would express and publicly reject that nonsense, but that’s another matter.
What a coincidence.
DebbieDoRight
September 16th, 2009
7:35 pm
RW the plaintiff has the “burden of proof”.
Well at least everyone knows Orly’s name. That’s the goal of every attorney; name recognition.
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
7:35 pm
“just as obama stated he was born in Hawaii, and that will be that…”
Ummm…not to be TOO nitpicky, but you left out just one tiny little bit of information: the STATE OF HAWAII said he was born there, and by gollly, they even have a BIRTH CERTIFICATE to prove it.
Just an oversight on your part, I’m sure.
RollerGirl
September 16th, 2009
7:37 pm
Chicago democrats are scum..Did you know John Wayne Gacy was a democrat pricinct captain up there? So yes, you CAN call democrats pedophilic gay homicidal clowns at times..and they can’t call it inaccurate
Rhodes v McDonald – Reactions from the Blogosphere « Native and Natural Born Citizenship Explored
September 16th, 2009
7:38 pm
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Lee
September 16th, 2009
7:38 pm
Yeah? Well, all the while Obama is falling down the ACORN hole!!
Class of '98
September 16th, 2009
7:42 pm
Kayaker, yes it makes me sick that that for some people the ends always justify the means. Voter fraud is perfectly okay to them as long as it gets their candidate elected, for instance. This union will not survive much longer with this mentality.
And RollerGirl, the thing about Gacy is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long, long time. I will use it often.
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
7:43 pm
Oh, yes…BTW…you can be elected to the House of Representatives if you are 25, the Senate if you are 30…but you DO have to be 35 to be elected President. Another little oversight, I’m sure.
UGA Law
September 16th, 2009
7:43 pm
So over here in Athens, I’ve been reading a lot of judicial opinions. And not all of them are well written. This one was.
What’s interesting :
1) That the Captain in question, a doctor, did not want to resign her commission, just refuse her DEPLOYMENT. The court found that there was significant judicial precedent to prevent the court to rule on individual soldiers’ deployment orders; instead, it suggested that the Captain use inter-Army channels to challenge her deployment.
2) What the Captain asked for was for an immediate injunction. In order to grant the injunction, the complaint has to show that there is a reasonable chance that the complaint will win. Unfortunately, to those who post in opposition to the Judge’s opinion, a reasonable person would not believe that the President of the United States, with a public record, would be elected in violation of the US Constitution in 2008. The judge is not saying that it CAN’T happen, the judge is only saying that REASONABLY, it shouldn’t. And since the injunction asked for was this sort of injunction, she lost.
3) Orly Taitz had some pretty un-lawerly language in her complaint. My legal writing professor would skewer me for putting that in one of my briefs.
Proof Please`
September 16th, 2009
7:45 pm
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
7:43 pm
Oh, yes…BTW…you can be elected to the House of Representatives if you are 25, the Senate if you are 30…but you DO have to be 35 to be elected President. Another little oversight, I’m sure.
Proof Please
Class of '98
September 16th, 2009
7:45 pm
Jay, the OJ jury decided as it did because they considered it a form of protest against the white establishment and to even things out for decades of the scales of justice being titled against blacks.
Even Bill Maher, the most liberal person on this planet, said OJ did everything but leave a business card.
Proof Please`
September 16th, 2009
7:46 pm
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
7:35 pm
“just as obama stated he was born in Hawaii, and that will be that…”
Ummm…not to be TOO nitpicky, but you left out just one tiny little bit of information: the STATE OF HAWAII said he was born there, and by gollly, they even have a BIRTH CERTIFICATE to prove it.
Just an oversight on your part, I’m sure.
Proof Please
Orly
September 16th, 2009
7:48 pm
Kayaker,
Latch on to that acorn, much as I have the long form, and don’t ever let go.No matter how tough things get. People may ridicule you, even laugh at you. Ignore them You must do this for the children.
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
7:50 pm
“Proof Please”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html (and click on the needed article link)
“No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years”
“No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years”
(President) “neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years”
Jay
September 16th, 2009
7:51 pm
Your original post had been freed before you posted that one, Jcon. I have no idea why it was held up.
Kayaker 71
September 16th, 2009
7:53 pm
Bookman,
It should be fair game for someone who is to be the leader of the free world and who will be our President to present his credentials to the Democratic National Committee prior to even the primaries to prove that he is eligible to run. We have to present our birth certificate to get a passport, to get a marriage license, to get professional licenses in many states. I had to provide my birth certificate to get a license to practice medicine in Hawaii, the very state that has been holding Bozo’s documents. Why does it not seem reasonable to require someone who runs for the Senate, the Congress or especially the presidency to produce documents that he/she is a citizen? But Bozo has dodged the issue continually. He could have settled this months ago by just producing he document himself and put this to rest. But no, he won’t stoop to this, will he?. Roller Girl is right. All of those who run for public office should have to prove themselves eligible. It is not the job of the electorate to do this…. it is the job of the candidate!
RW-(the original)
September 16th, 2009
7:56 pm
DebbieDoRight,
I wish this whole notion would go away too, but when the Constitution says one must meet certain qualifications and a challenge is made that the person seeking or sitting as the President cannot meet those qualifications it’s hard to see a judge making the claim that the plaintiff has to prove a negative, In this case the judge is basically saying that unless the plaintiff can gain full access to every birth record in the state of Hawaii at the time and determine that none exists for Obama then they have no case and he’s also setting a precedent in law that says you need not prove you meet any Constitutional age or citizenship requirements since the courts won’t allow a challenge.
Orly
September 16th, 2009
7:57 pm
The judge spoke to me in plain English, later in the day, since I was experiencing technical difficulties. He told me to stick with boxers because my briefs were too tight and they were cutting off circulation. Of course, I had to ask, “Circulation to what?” Was that ever a mistake. He started in on me about how I must have grown some to ever even try to pass my ‘brief’ off as… anyway, it gets rather graphic after that point. I will be back though. I will prove my case. This is not over, not by a long form, I mean, shot.
Class of '98
September 16th, 2009
7:57 pm
Hey Jay, since you are so fond of citing “conservative” Kathleen Parker, I’m shocked that you missed this excerpt from her column today about Wilson’s outburst at Obama (which I thought was exceedingly rude)….
“To settle the question — did the president speak inaccurately when he said nothing in ‘our reform effort’ would pay for illegal immigrants or abortion? — the answer is, like H.R. 3200, not simple. What’s true is that the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service concluded that nothing in H.R. 3200 precludes illegal immigrants from buying public insurance on the proposed Health Insurance Exchange. And, as fact-checking groups have confirmed, there’s wiggle room in the bill whereby public subsidies could be used to purchase insurance that covers abortions.”
You must have missed that one. I know you like Kathleen so much.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 16th, 2009
8:03 pm
Given the economic fallout from the long efforts by advocacy groups to water down mortgage lending standards, as well as the controversy surrounding Acorn’s mortgage counseling methods, you would imagine that politicians in Washington would be eager to narrow the scope of the CRA and reduce the leverage that community groups wield under it. But to the contrary, Washington is actually looking to expand the CRA once again.
There is no doubt that the financial disaster was brought about by the democrats and their buddies ACORN.
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
8:04 pm
“All of those who run for public office should have to prove themselves eligible. It is not the job of the electorate to do this…. it is the job of the candidate!”
Very convincing argument…almost. Except you left out the same tiny little bit of information: that Obama HAS made his birth certificate available, and the State of Hawaii (remember them) has verified that it is valid and that he WAS born there.
It’s not the court’s fault, or Obama’s fault, that some few idiots don’t find the proof “acceptable”
But then, I guess my quoting of the Consitution about age requirements isn’t “valid” either…I mean, I DIDN’T actually post the real, original Constitution did I? Just a copy. So sue me.
Hey Look! I change my name every other day and look how long it is!
September 16th, 2009
8:10 pm
Plaintiff alleges in her Complaint that according to an “AOL poll 85% of Americans believe that Obama was not vetted, needs to be vetted and his vital records need to be produced.”
Citing an AOL poll in court papers. Wow.
This ought to be funnier than it is. Maybe I’m just tired of it all, and want the crazy old coots to go back to their homes and stay there for awhile.
Public Option or No Bill
September 16th, 2009
8:10 pm
The fact that the conservatives won’t reject the Birthers and signs like
, “The Zoo has an African and the White House has a Lyin’ African;” “Bury Obamacare with Kennedy;” “We came unarmed (this time)” and “ ‘Cap’ Congress and ‘Trade’ Obama back to Kenya!”
speaks volumes about what they are.
Public Option or No Bill
September 16th, 2009
8:11 pm
Plaintiff is going to get as far in court as plaintiff has in her life.
Orly
September 16th, 2009
8:12 pm
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:,
You let me know when you’re ready to file that brief. I’m here for you. Here is just a sample of what I have to offer. With your brains and my briefs, we can go places.
Public Option or No Bill
September 16th, 2009
8:15 pm
It seemed to me that Kathleen Parker had her clock cleaned by Cynthia McKinney when they met face to facet on MSNBC tonight, instead of on the newly Cox Editorial Board conservative structured editorial page of the AJC, and Cynthia McKinney’s column made a lot more sense than Kathleen Parker who always wants to sweep aside the fact that extremist bozos like the Birthers, the sign makers, Rush, Hannity and the University of “ah done forgot” at Faux who now run and represent the republican party.
josef nix
September 16th, 2009
8:19 pm
RollerGirl @ 7:37
Girl, please!
Proof Please`
September 16th, 2009
8:23 pm
Sinthia McKinney has a column at the AJC? Methinks you may be referring to Tucker. I agree they do look alike and they do sound alike.
Bosch
September 16th, 2009
8:23 pm
Awww, geez, Jay,
Why ya’ gotta go and putting Orly Taitz in with the best story EVER? Damn.
Jay
September 16th, 2009
8:23 pm
The plaintiff has to introduce at least SOME evidence to sustain his or her claim; in this case, the plaintiff produced NONE. Yet some of you act as if some sort of great injustice has been done.
Northern Songs LTD
September 16th, 2009
8:23 pm
PoonBill – and will you reject the vile signs, pictures, and posters as submitted by my buddy ‘mike’ a couple floors downstairs? thought not…. your “ideological purity” is as offensive as Lemon Turd’s.
josef nix
September 16th, 2009
8:27 pm
Proof Please
“Sinthia McKinney has a column at the AJC? Methinks you may be referring to Tucker. I agree they do look alike and they do sound alike.”
And they’re both lightweight champions!
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
8:27 pm
“Yet some of you act as if some sort of great injustice has been done.”
And there’s a lot more to it than that. It’s true that the Constitution sets age limits, but it does not actually say a candidate has to prove they meet the age (and other) requirements, nor does it say to whom that proof shall be presented.
So that DOES throw it back on the “electorate.” Someone has to challenge the eligibility of the candidate and PROVE to a court that the candidate is not eligible. As I read it, the candidates honesty is taken for granted.
Orly
September 16th, 2009
8:29 pm
Well, you know this isn’t right, Jay. And, if you will just let me speak. Just hear me out. I’ll be brief. Now, don’t interrupt me. Don’t stop me in the middle of my explanation because then I will forget where I left off and I will have to start over, again, and again. And, just let me finish and I’ll let you know what I mean and then you will know what I mean and I mean you will know it too just like everyone else knows and we all know it to be true because I have never seen the long form and neither have you because how could you since it does not exist and you know it too.
mike
September 16th, 2009
8:31 pm
Public Option or No Bill –
Do you also hold Democrats responsible for the folks who carried these signs?
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612
preston
September 16th, 2009
8:34 pm
LOL……sounds like Orly got served!!!!
Jay
September 16th, 2009
8:35 pm
Actually, Class, Ms. Parker misreads or misinterprets the report. Yes, illegals could buy insurance from the proposed insurance exchange, just as they can buy it today from private providers, and many do. They could buy it from either the private or public insurance provider. But since the public provider would by law be required to finance all of its benefits and operating expenses from customer premiums, the illegal immigrant would get no subsidy from the taxpayer.
The Senate has now moved to prohibit even that. What that means is that even many illegal immigrants who want to buy and can afford to buy private insurance would be barred from doing so. They will be forced to go the emergency room route, dumping the cost on the rest of us.
In trying to screw them, in other words, we succeed in screwing ourselves.
RW-(the original)
September 16th, 2009
8:35 pm
And there’s a lot more to it than that. It’s true that the Constitution sets age limits, but it does not actually say a candidate has to prove they meet the age (and other) requirements, nor does it say to whom that proof shall be presented.
Actually, DoggoneGA, it should send it to the appellate system and even the Supreme Court, for the very reason you state, to determine what the founders meant by putting in a set of requirements and whether they expected those requirements be met.
Midori
September 16th, 2009
8:38 pm
I suppose Roller Girl has a point when she/it made the comment about Gacy – what I’ll never know.
Serial killer and equally violent rapist Ted Bundy was a republican.
Just wanted to show that evil comes in all colors and political parties.
Question
September 16th, 2009
8:41 pm
Jay – how about a little more diversity and entertainment with an OpEd piece on Barney Frank, Hank Johnson (oops, you got that one), Charles Rangel, Jimmy Carter, ACORN, the Black Panthers, Charles “what ACORN scandal” Gipson (and the rest of the MSM “hear no/speak no/see Nobama”), or those always entertaing King kids???
Taxpayer
September 16th, 2009
8:41 pm
In trying to screw them, in other words, we succeed in screwing ourselves.
But, we must protect the principals at all costs because principals means votes. Of course, that’s just an educated guess. It’s not like they have the power to bring indoctrinated masses to the booth, tomorrow anyway. These things take time.
DoggoneGA
September 16th, 2009
8:42 pm
“Actually, DoggoneGA, it should send it to the appellate system”
But it still has to start with a court challenge. There are NO verification requirements in the Constitution. And that court challenge would have to present at least a reasonable semblence of proof that the candidate is lieing about his age (or any of the other requirements)
In other words, you can run and there is no requirement to prove you are actually eligible. And to be prescise, you would only have to be actually eligible on the day you are seated. There’s nothing in the Constitution that says you can’t RUN if you don’t meet the requirements…only that you can’t “be” a Senator, etc. unless you do.
So, if *I* was a court judge, and *I* was asked to interpret that…my inclination would be that a challenge to a candidate’s eligibilty has to be made to the “leader” of the relevent Chamber, and for President to the Supreme Court. But that’s just personal opinion, and for this latest election it’s not going to get that far.
Maybe next time.
Bosch
September 16th, 2009
8:44 pm
Hey Midori!
Whatdayathink? RollerGirl used to go to Vanderbilt on Tuesdays – but with the new school year goes on Wednesdays? WTF?
Ted Bundy was a Republican? See? THAT’S why I blog here – my mamma told me it was important to learn something new every day! Thanks!!!
Yankee
September 16th, 2009
8:44 pm
CONNIE RHODES is simply a COWARD who is using the RACIST BIRTHER IDIOTS as cover. CONNIE RHODES got the FREE GOVERNMENT Medical Degree and DO NOT have an issue with serving stateside but when CONNIE RHODES is to be deployed to IRAQ is when she has this BIRTHER epiphany. Go to IRAQ and I sincerely hope one of those little BROWN PEOPLE (and IRAQI) light your ass up with and IED and you come back in a pine box.
Taxpayer
September 16th, 2009
8:45 pm
Actually, DoggoneGA, it should send it to the appellate system and even the Supreme Court, for the very reason you state, to determine what the founders meant by putting in a set of requirements and whether they expected those requirements be met.
For it is our duty to understand exactly what the constitution means in light of this new world that we live in, this ever-changing world. Just imagine, if you will, for example, how would one apply said age limits in an era where time travel were possible.
thomas
September 16th, 2009
8:47 pm
the whole thing about the senate doing something that they were trying to screw them(illegal immigrants) and screwed us………….
Who is it again with that majority in the senate?
Seems like this reform should have already passed if Wikipedia was correct.
Public Option or No Bill
September 16th, 2009
8:47 pm
Speaking of the human? species and its ability to entertain we have the Max Tax: (from Max Baucus, insurance company exclusive hooker):
13% off the top of middle class salaries to be deducted from their paychecks if they make between 30 and 60 grand for starters directly paid to to the insurance companies. That amount would not count as co-pays or deductibles for med bills incurred.
Those who make 300% or less of the poverty level would be subsidized. So if an individual makes more than $32,500 or a family of 4 makes motr than $66,150 you get no subsidy and you’re subject to the Maxtax of $700 per month for the insurance companies that still have no change in rules for dropping you or jacking up your rate for a pre-existing condition. If you were to refuse this insane mandate, you would be fined $350 per month at the above income level.
Individuals who are older could be charged 5 X the amount. Anyone with a pre-existing condition goes into a high risk pool, and here is genius at its finest from the Blue Dog 3 million buck hooker–these people could not get insurance at all for an irrational 6 months waiting period which defies any rationale.
The Sonny Purdues and the Sanfords of the world are gonna love this, because a lot of the burden is shifted to the states in the form of the grandaddy of “unfunded mandates” in addition to making it impossible for middle America to begin to afford it.
And the insurance companies only paid the hooker Baucus 3 million bucks for this DOA loser.
Insurance stocks spiked 2-3% today.
Goofball Olympia Snowe, drunk with publicity for the first time in her life, called the bill “a good first step.”
This will pass the Senate about as fast as Micheal Jackson runs up the Senate aisle in Nikes.
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Palin is available as a public speaker after her “meteoric rise”, according to her illustrious web site, to help win Tina Fey an emmy at a 7-11 near you. Will the Cox-AJC Editorial Board sponser a Palin speech soon? Right in Julia’s strike zone.
Midori
September 16th, 2009
8:48 pm
Hi Boschie
To go even further, Bundy worked on the re-election campaign of Washington’s Republican Governor Dan Evans. Evans was elected and he appointed Bundy to the Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Committee. Bundy’s political future seemed secure, when in 1973 he became assistant to Ross Davis, chairman of the Washington State Republican Party. It was a good time in Bundy’s life. He had a girlfriend, his old girlfriend was once again in love with him, and his footing in the political arena was strong.
http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/tedbundy.htm
josef nix
September 16th, 2009
8:48 pm
midori…
“I suppose Roller Girl has a point when she/it made the comment about Gacy – what I’ll never know.”
Well, I’ve got a guess…but Doggone has told me to hold it with the physical insults…but it’s located somewhere above the shoulders…
“Serial killer and equally violent rapist Ted Bundy was a republican.
“And don’t forget, he was straight!
thomas
September 16th, 2009
8:51 pm
Nice of Yankee to openly hope for a soldier to be wounded in battle.
She was wrong and ignorant for her court action. But to call for her injury or death. Classy
I do wish that more conservatives would expressly and publicly reject that nonsense, but that’s another matter……………….
But sub in liberals…………???????????????