Palin, DeMint should take lessons from this guy

Judging from conservative rhetoric, the debate over health-care reform is in truth a fight over the future of American democracy and capitalism. Stopping the health-care bill is being described as an essential step toward restoring America to its rightful owners and rightful course.

“Friends, this is a critical battle for the heart and soul of America, and for freedom itself,” Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina told a rally in Washington over the weekend. “Freedom fighters are outnumbered in Congress, but not in America. If you continue to stand up and speak out, we will save freedom in America.”

Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska, made a more personal contribution to the hysteria. Health care reform would not merely threaten the foundations of America, she warned, it would lead to government-mandated abandonment of our loved ones and family.

“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’whether they are worthy of health care,” Palin wrote on her Facebook page. “Such a system is downright evil.”

While that’s some pretty impressive demagoguery, Palin, DeMint and others are mere pikers compared to the master of the genre. To appreciate true genius in explaining how government health care will destroy all that is good and Godly about this country, you can’t do better than the Great Communicator himself, Ronald Reagan.

In a recording back in 1961, Reagan patiently explained, step by step, how the then-controversial proposal to create Medicare would lead to an America in which freedom was a distant memory. In post-Medicare America, government would dictate to its citizens where they would be allowed to live, what they would be allowed to study and what career they could pursue.

It’s a great case study in how elusive the line between reality and fantasy can be, particularly in the hands of a master illusionist.

Reagan begins by noting that under Medicare, the federal government would pay doctors for the care they provide. From that single data point, he weaves a portrait of America that none of us would recognize.

“First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients — (the patients are) equally divided among the various doctors by the government,” Reagan says in a perfectly reasonable sounding conjecture. “But then the doctors aren’t evenly divided geographically, so a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town, and the government has to say to him, ‘You can’t live in that town, they already have enough doctors, you have to go someplace else,’ and from there it is only a short step to dictating where he will go.”

Note the graceful transition as one “what if” glides effortlessly into the next, and then the next, until suddenly the listener finds himself led into a crazy country in which federal bureaucrats dictate where doctors can live and work. As the Gipper notes, “this is a freedom that I wonder if any of us have the right to take from another human being.” (The effect is even more convincing if you listen to Reagan’s words rather than read them.)

To hear Reagan tell it, they won’t stop there. Once government starts dictating to doctors where they can live and practice, it will do the same for all Americans, in all lines of work.

“Pretty soon, your son won’t decide when he’s in school where he will go or what he will do for a living,” Reagan warns. “He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work, and what he will do.” Once Medicare becomes law, Reagan concludes, Americans will “spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America, when men were free.”

Today, almost half a century later, we know how things turned out. Medicare did become law, as Reagan feared, but the rest of his horror story never came to pass. Government is not dictating where we can live or what we can study or what career we can enter. We remain a free people, in many ways far more free than we were in 1961. And Medicare is now so popular that even as Republican leaders rail about the dangers of “socialized medicine,” they make sure to exempt Medicare from that criticism.

In other words, conjecture is a land of many possibilities. There was nothing in the original Medicare bill that would have let government dictate where physicians could live and work, just as there’s nothing in the current reform bill that will create “death panels” or a government takeover of health care or subsidize health insurance for illegal immigrants. But words like “could” and “might” let you claim almost anything.

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Public Option Now.

September 15th, 2009
10:23 pm

Andy is a little confused about abortions and the law. If someone wants an abortion, they can get one in this country. That’s called Rowe v. Wade. And unless and until it’s overturned, that’s the way it is.

When a healthcare bill is passed, it will be silent on abortions, because the S. Ct. has spoken. The S. Ct. has said it’s part of the health care options a woman and her doctor can opt to choose.

Glad to clear this confusion up.

Meanwhile, mostly Republoputzobozotards and some Democrats are insuring that nothing will change and a financial meltdown will repeat again:

Repubozoputzotards stalling financial reform

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/opinion/14mon1.html

http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/why-wall-street-reforms-have-stalled/?ref=business

Midori

September 15th, 2009
10:23 pm

Godless,

*****And the word “moran” does not appear in the Merriam-Websters online dictionary. *********

That’s what makes the photo I linked so funny. And telling.

Friend of your’s?

Moran.

And I may or may not do your googling for you.

Come to think of it, I won’t.

Not now anyhow.

TaxPayer

September 15th, 2009
10:25 pm

godless heathen

September 15th, 2009
10:13 pm
Good point, josef. I know a couple of good ol’ boys that drove all the way to Washington DC last weekend to be in the Tea Party on the mall. These boys are fired up. And they are armed to teeth.

So, film it and make a documentary on the making of an American Taliban. It’ll be a real blast.

Public Option Now.

September 15th, 2009
10:25 pm

It’s amusing to see the ignorant Repubos think they can change the law of the land by inserting an amendment in the health care bill. The Repubozos on Senate Finance have been told that they won’t get an abortion restriction anywhere in the heath care bill. Abortion is the law. That’s a little like the Repubozos trying to say if you need a laceration repaired, the doctor can’t use a Z-plasty to make it plastic.

Get the ignorant Repuboputzotards out of the way between doctor and patient.

Public Option Now.

September 15th, 2009
10:27 pm

The term teabaggers is a derivative from the term moron shleppers who don’t know wtf they stand for and can’t define any of the words that end with ism they use. It also derives from the term black hater and racist.

Bruno

September 15th, 2009
10:29 pm

“No matter how you look at it, it would certainly go a long way in improving health and reducing costs. Why are our “leaders” so silent?”

When more than 35% of the people in our country qualify as obese, it astounds me that no one is addressing this obvious way to bring health care costs under control.

“It is my stance that preventative health care (i.e. education) will be facillitate by a free, universal health care system where resources can be allocated for such.”

That is the promise, but like the promise of less ER visits once the purchase of mandated insurance goes into effect, I don’t believe it will happen as witnessed by the failure of the Massachusetts plan to reduce the frequency of ER visits. In the end, josef, you really can’t change human nature via social policy. It is far wiser, IMO, to harness human nature rather than trying to fight it. Only when health care consumers can back in control of their own spending can we begin to expect people to make responsible choices.

“In other words, yes, you could sit and watch someone die and not pay that small share to keep them alive.”

It must be nice to live in your simplistic conservative=bad world. No thinking required.

TaxPayer

September 15th, 2009
10:30 pm

H-’d say, “It’s shabbas for Chr-ssakes! Rest!”

I think you’re on to something, josef. They certainly need to give it a rest. The hate/fear mongering from the right wing nutter butters is beyond boring.

TnGelding

September 15th, 2009
10:30 pm

Bruno

September 15th, 2009
9:41 pm

Expanding Medicaid is part of what is being considered. How do you know when you might become one of the vampires? I like the catastrophic coverage idea, but too many people wouldn’t go to the doctor even if they had to pay only a few hundred dollars. I sometimes go to the walkin blood lab and pay just to avoid the hassle.

Midori

September 15th, 2009
10:30 pm

changed my mind. and looks like, much like your party, you lose:

Use as a political term

During the 2009 Tea Party protests against the tax policies of the United States Government,the use of the phrase “tea bag” was used by Fox News Reporter Griff Jenkins and reteaparty.org. (March 2009 Note the date. )

Salon.com, however, pointed out that “teabagging” has long had another meaning.[8][9][10][11][12]

The term “tea bagging” was quickly co-opted by those critical of the movement. For example, MSNBC’s David Shuster who on April 13, accused the protesters of “going nuts for it” and “whip[ping] out the festivities”; wanting to “give President Obama a strong tongue-lashing and lick government spending.”

MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow made similar remarks. On April 14[17] and 15,[18] MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann made remarks in the same vein, and on April 15, CNN’s Anderson Cooper said “It’s hard to talk when you’re teabagging.”[19][20]

josef nix

September 15th, 2009
10:31 pm

GayGreyGeek…

Thank G-d you’re here! I was beginning to feel I was the only one of “our kind” left! BTW, have you done the Melungeon thing yet? Was thinking about you today during my lecture, the Melungeons being part of it…

TaxPayer

September 15th, 2009
10:34 pm

As I recall, the first new-age tea party included a little ritual (or, at least the plans for it) whereby a dumptruck load of tea bags were to be dumped somewhere — Boston harbor, perhaps? I suspect the phrase “tea bagger” may have been associated with that failed bit of symbolism so they had to improvise.

josef nix

September 15th, 2009
10:35 pm

midori–
Yeah, Rachel Maddow, one of the precious few from the left who refuses to let Fierce Advocate off the hook. My hero! (or is that heroine–never sure if the pc speech police are going to call me in with no habeas corpus on that one!) Anyway, I like her and listen to what she has to say…

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
10:36 pm

@Bruno–

You didn’t qualify the “rampant fraud” you alluded to because specifics are hard for you. If you mean the 10% Medicare Fraud, it’s dwarfed by the 100% insurance fraud of dropping people when they get sick which has no meaning for you because you haven’t grasped it in months.

Health Care reform is about insuring the uninsured, basically so we can prevent tax payer dollars from paying for their care at tax funded tertiary inner city hospitals when they get end stage diseases they shouldn’t have gotten in the first place if they were picked up and treated early on.

It’s also about keeping you and your employer from getting screwed by insurance companies but you’ve totally missed that Bruno.

Do some reading.

Bruno

September 15th, 2009
10:36 pm

“How do you know when you might become one of the vampires?”

I work in health care, Tn, though I don’t want to give out any details for obvious reasons. Every doctor can tell you who the vampires are–they want the most expensive tests and procedures available whether it makes sense or not. Somehow it seems to fill a pyschological need to be fussed over.

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
10:37 pm

Josef–

Still waiting to see the homophobia here you alluded is coming from liberals. Is that stashed in the same bag where you’re going to pull 400,000 Afghanistan troops from since the US doesn’t have 80,000 to put in Afghanistan rightnow?

Kamchak

September 15th, 2009
10:37 pm

Do a Google news search and you will find no instance of Tea Party Attendees calling themselves tea-baggers

But you will find videos of participants unloading trucks of tea bags, opening the boxes and hamming it up on camera. Had they consulted their contracted linguist, Frank Luntz, I feel positive he would have told them to choose another symbol

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
10:37 pm

Josef–

Still waiting to see the homophobia here you alluded is coming from liberals. Is that stashed in the same bag where you’re going to pull 400,000 Afghanistan troops from since the US doesn’t have 80,000 to put in Afghanistan right now?

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
10:40 pm

Check out videos of interviews of the so-called te cabaggers or whatever the F at the Mall this weekend and you’ll find a collection of 60,000 of the dumbest people on the planet who can’t define why they’re there.

“Ah wants mah Kontrah back from the black man…so ah kin… ah kin.. ah wants it back anyway.

“Mah healthcare plan is whatever Rick the defeated Santorum says ’cause well cause….”

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
10:41 pm

Ah never saw so many people here at once from the Faux University of “ah don’t remember.”

Midori

September 15th, 2009
10:42 pm

Bruno

September 15th, 2009
10:43 pm

“You didn’t qualify the “rampant fraud” you alluded to because specifics are hard for you.”

I’ve read varying estimates over the years, although hard numbers are hard to produce since successful fraud is never caught, and therefore never counted. I’m sure if you google ” percentage of waste and fraud in health care” you can find a range of estimates.

“Health Care reform is about insuring the uninsured, basically so we can prevent tax payer dollars from paying for their care at tax funded tertiary inner city hospitals when they get end stage diseases they shouldn’t have gotten in the first place if they were picked up and treated early on.”

Again, you’re making an assumption that human nature will fundamentally change via social policy. People are people, and most don’t like seeing a doctor, including myself. Forcing people to purchase health insurance isn’t going to create a health conscious mindset. In fact, it would be easy to construct an argument for the opposite effect.

“It’s also about keeping you and your employer from getting screwed by insurance companies but you’ve totally missed that Bruno.”

I’m both self-employed and self-insured.

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
10:43 pm

756 dead in Afghanistan and growing. It will hit 3000 soon.

TaxPayer

September 15th, 2009
10:43 pm

I work in health care, Tn

Bruno is just a more twisted version of Broun, if that’s even possible. :roll:

homo racism or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
10:43 pm

can rangle push the draft again?

josef nix

September 15th, 2009
10:46 pm

Public Option…

“The term teabaggers is a derivative from the term moron shleppers who don’t know wtf they stand for and can’t define any of the words that end with ism they use. It also derives from the term black hater and racist.”

Shleppers? Oy, shaygets, and was ist es that their shlepping? Red’n mamaloschen?
What’s that about about defining words? Nur sag ich as Normal would say. :-)

Chris Salzmann

September 15th, 2009
10:49 pm

Jay,

These folks cannot even give a straight number about how many people were in Washington DC. Not one of these idiots can cite a reliable source when they give their outlandish figures. Like Glenn Beck who cites “1.7 Million protesters” citing the “University of …..I don’t remember”!!! Rush Limbaugh even claimed 2 million citing a British Tabloid that reported no such thing. It would be funny if it weren’t pathetic, which by the way, pretty much describes these poor lost souls :-)

BTW, the Tea-Party movement has finally been exposed for what it is; an umbrella group of crazy birthers. Here’s a recent interview with the “Tea-Party” leader Mark Williams where he calls the President “an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief”.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/tea-party-leader-melts-do_n_286933.html

ROFLAMO. All that’s left is to call the guys with the butterfly nets.

Bruno

September 15th, 2009
10:51 pm

“Bruno is just a more twisted version of Broun”

You’re so clever, TaxPayer. No run along while the adults have a discussion here.

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
10:54 pm

I’m sure if I google waste and fraud in health care I’d get a lot of worthless hits. I know where the waste and fraud in health care is and so does anyone who spent their adult life in healthcare. But I also know you do what you always do–make a broad sweeping statement without any specificity or documentation.

Most of the Medicare fraud by a long shot is not physician billing–it has to do with devices.

And what you and none of the Repubozos will acknowledge Bruno, is that the only reason Medicare is headed for the red in eight years is because Bill Frist and the Repubozos forbided competitive pharmaceutical purchases by Medicare in Part D–hence the donut. The Repubozos made the donut and it’s why many elderly patients can’t get the drugs Rx’d for them that are crucial to their health–and I’m going to lay one on you Bruno–people get more illnesses when they get older–surprised?

Further the agreement the pharma made with Emanuel that today the Blue Dogs asked Waxman to include in a House Bill–won’t happen would keep Medicare the way it is and headed for broke unless its bidding process for drugs can be revised to conform to the bidding process all private hospitals use.

You seem totally unaware of this Medicare architecture Bruno–not surprising.

I really appreciate you cluing me in to what people are and how they feel about seeing a doctor since I’ve been seeing people seeing me and other doctors since I was in the first year of med school. You think we’re so stupid we don’t talk to them and know how they feel Bruno? But the vast majority of them get better as a result of seeing us.

We don’t have the number of people who refuse to see a physician that the Repubozos like to claim or put in street language–you’re asserting that the unswashed social masses aren’t as enlightentend as the sophisticated Brunos and won’t get health care.

You’re also oblivious to the 3 card monte or shell game where insurance companies collect premiums for years from employers and employee average 12,500 employer now and 4500 employee now and then cut their insurance when they get sick.

I don’t want to force people to buy the same crap insurance they have now. I want them to have a public option and competition for the crap insurance nscompanies. But they’re afraid of it. And the Repubozo hookers like Snowe, Enzie, Grassley who have raked in millions from their insurance company johns are afraid of it because they don’t want the Bunny Ranch to shut down.

And so what if you’re self-employed and self-insured. Your premiums will go up to double or triple in 10 years just like everyone elses and so will the hospital bills or drug costs should you incure them.

josef nix

September 15th, 2009
10:54 pm

Public Option–

Homophobia–what about all those who keep defending Fierce Advocate on his bloody cr*p on DADT and “be patient, it’s coming, just look how far we’ve come…” Or how about those who say I’m being didactic and…oh what the hey…I need to go shopping at K’chak’s shoe store for this one…and it wouldn’t hit home if I did…

TaxPayer

September 15th, 2009
10:54 pm

No Broun. You just start talking like an adult and give me reason to stay.

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
10:57 pm

Try this Bruno–you’ll google enhance your reading or not since you’re a google afficianado. Bing has similar apps:
http://fastflip.googlelabs.com/

Bruno

September 15th, 2009
10:59 pm

“Your premiums will go up to double or triple in 10 years just like everyone elses and so will the hospital bills or drug costs should you incure them.”

Hmmmm–so the premiums I pay myself are going up?? I agree that medical costs will continue to rise until we address the waste and fraud problems in a meaningful way.

And once again, if you’re an MD, then I’m Buzz Aldrin.

P.S. Have tried three times to post links to estimates of fraud and waste, but the system won’t print the posts. Again, google in “percentage of fraud and waste in health care”.

TaxPayer

September 15th, 2009
10:59 pm

I’m both self-employed and self-insured.

That is hardly an accomplishment much less a meaningful response to the generic issue,

“It’s also about keeping you and your employer from getting screwed by insurance companies but you’ve totally missed that Bruno.”

that extends beyond your perception of reality.

Bruno

September 15th, 2009
11:02 pm

“You just start talking like an adult and give me reason to stay.”

I wouldn’t want to take responsibility for you hanging around, because frankly, I think that you are one of the posters who has driven ABM away with your childish insults and throwaway posts.

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
11:03 pm

I’m not someone that defends Obama’s lack of actioon on a number of things including “don’t ask don’t tell” or who supports prohibition to gay marriage Josef. But to be clear, I haven’t seen anyone advocating that Obama’s doing that in here and that’s what I asked you about. Obama has also filed worse civil rights briefs in the federal appellate courts than Bush and that seems to escape you.

It’s an affront on gay rights and dilutes our military to have a “don’t ask don’t tell” and there have been a lot of well publicized cases of losing valuable people.

But it’s also an afront on a father’s rights to be at Gitmo for 8 years and counting and not charged and to have no access to evidence against him. It’s an affont when people are let out after years who are totally innocent and were tortured not to be able to sue for this egregious treatment because the Bush and now Obama administration are claiming “state secrets.”

And it’s particularly interesting but escapes most people here that the most effective litigator for these rights, Georgetown Law’s Neal Katyal is now in the crazy position of arguing against his former briefs in the same cases as Obama’s Deputy Solicitor General aka point guard in the federal courts for the Obama administration–mainly because his boss the former Dean of Harvard Law hadn’t tried a case in a court room or argued an appeal in a courtroom until the one she did the other day that she’s going to lose by a big majority last week.

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
11:07 pm

Bruno–

I don’t understand what your self employment or self insurance has to do at all with the reasons for health care reform. Your “vampire” statement is total BS.

I really appreciate your clinical acumen and insight into the mind of a patient though–where else could I have gotten such hard to elicit info? LOL

Bauccus care will be announced tomorrow and ripped to shreds immediately. And the Max Tax should be. He’s a hooker getting 3 million bucks from the insurance companies and his bill is a total insurance company enrichment bill.

TaxPayer

September 15th, 2009
11:07 pm

Bruno

September 15th, 2009
11:02 pm
“You just start talking like an adult and give me reason to stay.”

I wouldn’t want to take responsibility for you hanging around, because frankly, I think that you are one of the posters who has driven ABM away with your childish insults and throwaway posts.

You thinking for ABM might have an even larger impact on any decision ABM may have made. That’s mighty presumptuous of you to think that you know the man’s mind.

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
11:12 pm

Why didn’t Joe Wilson throw his shoe at Obama the other night?

Bruno

September 15th, 2009
11:12 pm

josef nix

September 15th, 2009
11:18 pm

Public Option…

It’s late and I have to get my tired self to bed. We can continue this ad infinitum. I don’t expect you to see what I see or read between the same lines as I. That’s as it should be in a free and democratic society.

josef nix

September 15th, 2009
11:21 pm

Good night all!

TaxPayer

September 15th, 2009
11:22 pm

g’night, josef.

crazy shoe hits face

September 15th, 2009
11:56 pm

Sorry, Public Option or No Bill, not everyone can be a crazy azz doctor like U. U rock,man.

crazy shoe hits face

September 16th, 2009
12:18 am

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 16th, 2009
5:08 am

Tapes lead Senate to cut off ACORN, On hidden camera, staff advised ‘pimp’ how to evade taxes.-Urinal

What, only about a week late?

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 16th, 2009
5:17 am

But Scott believes it would be a mistake not to acknowledge the racism swirling around the health care debate because its potency could derail efforts at reform. He acknowledges that bigots represent a minority — “What speaks for America is what happened last November,” he said — but he thinks ignoring them “would be doing a disservice.”

“Nothing is more important than health care. We’re this close to getting something that will lift this nation to another level. We must not let the hate win.”-Queen Pinko, Urinal

Right on cue, race mongering.

sick

jt

September 16th, 2009
6:08 am

I hope everybody slept good last night after their four page Reagan Bash Fest. Thanks Jay.

It is indicative of a declining and sick culture to destroy every thing that is good. Reagan’s decency will live on forever.

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
6:56 am

“Reagan’s decency will live on forever.”

And unfortunately, so will his political legacy

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
7:08 am

Where is the decency in arming a killer such as Saddam and turning a blind eye as he proceeds to kill his own with the support of the Reagan administration.

Kayaker 71

September 16th, 2009
7:14 am

Look, the majority of those protesters in Washington DC couldn’t care less if Bozo was green with pink stripes. Carter has stooped to an all time low, if that is possible for him, by accusing those who don’t agree with Bozo as racists. It’s always the last thing you do when your cause is failing. The race card is the favorite ploy of the left but this time, it is not going to work, despite ACORN’s , Carter’s, Kayne West’s and Sharpton’s best efforts. Admit that ACORN has problems and is in need of reform. The left would gain more credibility by doing this than killing the messenger….. but the left can do no wrong can it….. if all else is failing, call them racists. That ought to do it.

Turd Ferguson

September 16th, 2009
7:16 am

This OboboCare debacle and Obobo MUST BE STOPPED!

Turd Ferguson

September 16th, 2009
7:17 am

Carter is a Jackass.

USinUK

September 16th, 2009
7:22 am

“Reagan’s decency will live on forever.”

look. I’m sure the guy had some good points, but jeezy-creezy, let’s not start the beatification process quite yet:

- supported (and funded) the Saddam regime
- supported (and funded) the Contras, despots that went around killing nuns and priests, raping women and executing children – with Reagan saying they were just like the patriots that fought for US independence
- meanwhile, he cut funding for community mental health programs, job training, college loans, food subsidies, child daycare centers and centers for the elderly.
- he undermined clean air and water regulations

and, lastly, let’s not forget his complete disregard for the US Constitution, which he had taken an oath to uphold.

decency??? maybe you and I just have a different definition of the word …

Normal

September 16th, 2009
7:36 am

USinUK, And thet’s why he is worshipped by the NeoCons… :roll:

…and lest we forget: MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!

TnGelding

September 16th, 2009
7:37 am

Public Option or No Bill

September 15th, 2009
10:43 pm

Well, it would have to hit 1,000 first. But the casualties are unacceptable. Let’s talk?

USinUK

September 16th, 2009
7:40 am

Normal –

“USinUK, And thet’s why he is worshipped by the NeoCons… ”

I thought it was because he single-handedly (*cough*) brought down the Soviet Union …

USinUK

September 16th, 2009
7:41 am

Normal … oops, I nearly forgot … WOLVERINES!

jt

September 16th, 2009
7:42 am

David McKalip, M.D. nails this issue.

“But the biggest bait and switch has been the selling of the public option as a key component of health system reform. He started this in the spring. But it has been clear from the beginning that the insurance companies would never allow this to happen. In fact, the insurance companies have been spending at least $12 million to support health care reform created by them and about a dozen other special interests over the last several years. So, much to the chagrin of many who hoped the public option would be a Trojan horse for a single payer system, Obama began throwing that plan under the bus as described by Salon.com*. Of course this had long been planned since the real goal has always been a mandate of each and every person to buy health insurance from private companies. That is why liberal blogger Greg Palast is also complaining about the betrayal of Obama and calling him a charming liar and his health care approach “fascist” — on Air America too!

He uses another great deception to sell this as a means to get rid of “pre-existing conditions”. As it turns out the trade off is that everyone must buy insurance — while ignoring the fact that 30 states have state subsidized policies for those with pre-existing conditions that work. Mandated will be insurance that will be created by the government, approved by the government, the purchase of which will be enforced by the government. In fact, the rationing rules created by the government will also apply to private insurance. The insurance companies will receive free customers courtesy of the government mandate and will be guaranteed profits in perpetuity. Obama then gets to claim a victory for Democrats in 2010 after he announces what will be hailed as “the September compromise” — perhaps even in the name of the recently passed Senator Kennedy who put his seal of approval on the same plan introduced by then-Republican-Governor Romney in 2005.”

GUARANTEED PROFITS in PERPETUITY for the hated insurance companies. Ya gotta love it.

mike

September 16th, 2009
7:45 am

Normal –

“And thet’s why he is worshipped by the NeoCons…”

What’s up with the name calling?

Normal

September 16th, 2009
7:50 am

USinUK, that was a good movie, I guess my favorite of Patrick’s was “Point Break” with Keanu. I loved the bank scene where, as they left the bank they robbed wearing Presidents masks, he wore Nixon’s and raised his arms doing the “victory sign”, like Nixon always did and said “I am not a crook” as he left with the money. It still makes me laugh. He will be missed.

Normal

September 16th, 2009
7:51 am

MIKE, who did I call names?

USinUK

September 16th, 2009
7:54 am

Normal –

my fav Swayze flick is still Road House … couldn’t be bothered with Point Break (the keanu factor) … I’m willing to suspend my disbelief for a movie, but Red Dawn asked just too much …

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September 16th, 2009
7:55 am

Interesting discussion on the term “tea baggers”. Basically what’s been established is that the conservative mind doesn’t exist in the gutter but the liberal mind will always reach for the gutter.

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
7:58 am

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September 16th, 2009
7:55 am
Interesting discussion on the term “tea baggers”. Basically what’s been established is that the conservative mind doesn’t exist in the gutter but the liberal mind will always reach for the gutter.

What are you talking about.

Finn McCool

September 16th, 2009
7:59 am

Many Employers to Raise Cost of Health Benefits, Survey Finds

As businesses contend with rising costs, many workers face an erosion of health benefits next year, according to an annual survey released Tuesday by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research and Educational Trust.

Forty percent of employers surveyed said they are likely to increase the amount their workers pay out of pocket for doctor visits. Almost as many said they are likely to raise annual deductibles and the amount workers pay for prescription drugs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/15/AR2009091501175.html?nav=hcmodule

You think that $30 copay stings a bit now? Wait until it’s $50, yeah, $50 per prescription.

USinUK

September 16th, 2009
8:00 am

“Basically what’s been established is that the conservative mind doesn’t exist in the gutter but the liberal mind will always reach for the gutter.”

@@. seriously. are you REALLY going to try to assert that conservatives are purer of heart than liberals? REALLY??? cuz, if you are, I have a whole list of Republican sex scandals to refresh your memory … and, darlin’, they’re not “white bread” sex scandals … I’m talking diapers, wet suits with (ahem) “steely dans”, sex clubs …

so, you may want to re-think that particular strategy …

@@

September 16th, 2009
8:03 am

About the racism tag. I was thinking back last night to the time right after, or maybe it was before, the president was elected. Some media pundits made the prediction that anyone criticizing the president would be tagged a racist in an attempt to silence opposition.

If nothing else, leftists are predictable.

USinUK

September 16th, 2009
8:05 am

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“Some media pundits made the prediction that anyone criticizing the president would be tagged a racist in an attempt to silence opposition.”

hahahaha … try supporting that with a link next time … it’d be more credible …

Doggone/GA

September 16th, 2009
8:07 am

“conservatives are purer of heart than liberals?”

No, no, no! They have purer MINDS than liberals. Which might very well be truer than we’d like to think. Living in a non-reality based world can do that do you, you know.

@@

September 16th, 2009
8:08 am

USUK:

I’m talking about the citizens. Yes…I do believe that many of them don’t dwell in the gutter. I didn’t know what the term tea bagging meant until you guys brought “enlightenment”. I’m not a total innocent but damn!!!!

You leftists know it all.

Out!

TaxPayer

September 16th, 2009
8:10 am

I see, @@. As soon as President Carter cried out “racism”, you shut right up. Is that how it works.

Turd Ferguson

September 16th, 2009
8:11 am

Point Break.

Good Movie! The only detractor was Keanu “Cant Act” Reeves.

Normal

September 16th, 2009
8:12 am

Mike, if you are talking about me using “Neocon”, then here is something
I want you to read. It was written in 2004 but when I read it, I thought it was a good non-partisan explaination of Conservative and Neo
Conservative. A word or phrase can be taken out of context and be made to seem a slur, but neocon is, in no way, in the same bed as racist, bigot, moron, bed wetter, etc.
Read it, and tell me what you think…
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_196286.html

stands for decibels

September 16th, 2009
8:14 am

They have purer MINDS than liberals. Which might very well be truer than we’d like to think. Living in a non-reality based world can do that do you, you know.

Conservatives certainly have purity of essence.

“Women sense my power, and they seek my life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake. But, I do deny them my essence.”

USinUK

September 16th, 2009
8:18 am

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“I’m not a total innocent but damn!!!!”

sorry, but that made me chuckle.

I heard the term used first by John Watters in an interview some 10 years ago (during the same interview, he also introduced the term “helicoptering”, which also made me laugh) … it was also referred to in Sex and the City about 8 years ago …

maybe it’s just we “leftists” that would watch those programs … but, given their ratings, I don’t think so …

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