GOP once embraced what it now condemns

ObamaCare may destroy health care in 49 other states, but not here in Georgia, say GOP state senators Judson Hill and Chip Rogers. They plan to stop it dead at the state border.

If Georgians want to buy health insurance, Hill told Fox News last week, they should be allowed to do so. But we “don’t want to be penalized or have it forced upon us” by government, he said. So Hill, Rogers and a handful of other Senate Republicans have proposed a state constitutional amendment to guarantee that Georgians cannot be compelled to buy health insurance.

Furthermore, they believe that under the states’ rights doctrine, such an amendment would make any federal law to the contrary unenforceable here in Georgia.

Of course, Washington doesn’t have a monopoly on Big Government enthusiasts. Just two years ago, legislation was introduced in the Georgia Senate that was eerily similar to what Obama is now proposing in Washington.

For example, the Obama approach calls for creating a centralized government-run insurance exchange, a kind of clearinghouse where insurance companies would sell their products to consumers. Senate Bill 28 would have done the same thing, creating a Georgia Health Insurance Exchange. The exchange would have been the only legal means to sell health insurance to individuals and small businesses.

Like federal legislation, the state bill also tried to force citizens to buy a minimum amount of insurance. In fact, anybody with a gross income of 300 percent above poverty would have to buy health insurance or post a $10,000 bond with the state.

If a citizen refused to comply, the consequences were draconian. The state was empowered to garnish a person’s wages and withhold state income tax refunds until that required $10,000 minimum was achieved.

Now, that sounds like the kind of bill that would absolutely horrify small-government conservatives such as Hill and Rogers. But here’s the strange part: Hill was the bill’s chief sponsor; Rogers a co-sponsor.

At the time, Hill gave Newt Gingrich the credit for a lot of the ideas in SB 28, and for good reason. For example, the former House speaker was a strong advocate of digitizing all medical data and then analyzing that data to determine which treatments and procedures worked best.

In fact, just last year in a New York Times oped piece co-authored with Sen. John Kerry, Gingrich noted that “nearly 100,000 Americans are killed every year by preventable medical errors.”

“Working closely with doctors, the federal government and the private sector should create a new institute for evidence-based medicine,” Kerry and Gingrich argued. “This institute would conduct new studies and systematically review the existing medical literature to help inform our nation’s over-stretched medical providers.”

As the Congressional Budget Office explained, “better information about the costs, risks, and benefits of different treatment options, combined with new incentives reflecting the information, could eventually alter the way in which medicine is practiced and yield lower health care spending without having adverse effects on health. Over the long term, the potential reduction in spending below projected levels could be substantial.”

SB 28 attempted to implement such a program on the state level. It required all insurers, doctors, hospitals, pharmacists and other medical professionals to submit electronic medical data to the state. A new Georgia Patient Safety Corporation would analyze the data “for the purpose of recommending changes in practices and procedures.”

The legislation being considered in Washington closely mirrors the approach advocated by Gingrich and Hill. The House bill creates a “Comparative Effectiveness Research Center” to serve much the same function as the Georgia Patient Safety Corporation. Like the agency envisioned by Hill and Gingrich, its findings would be advisory only.

“Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit … the Center to mandate coverage, reimbursement, or other policies for any public or private payer,” the bill states.

Unfortunately, the “Comparative Effectiveness Research Center” has since been given a new name by conservatives: “death panel.”

Suddenly, the idea of mining electronic data for insight into cheaper, more effective care has become a conspiracy to control doctors and deny care to the elderly and vulnerable. Gingrich himself now describes comparative effectiveness research as a effort to ration care, complaining that “this one-size-fits-all approach goes against everything modern medicine is learning about the genetics of the human body.”

It’s enough to make you sick.

317 comments Add your comment

TaxPayer

September 11th, 2009
6:45 am

It is indeed enough to make a real person sick but we’re not talking about people, Jay. So, I’m not the least bit surprised. We’re talking about Republicans. They know no low.

On a side note, has anyone watched this video?

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
6:49 am

And no doubt it will make many sick. Politics, plain and simple. I’m realy disappointed in Newt. I thought he was really out to change the country for the better.

I don’t like mandates on business or individuals, tho. A $10,000 bond? That’s laughable. It would need to be at least 50 times that.

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
6:58 am

“Obama changes talking points on uninsured”

“Why the change?”

“White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama was making the point that under his plan, illegal immigrants would not get health insurance.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090910/pl_nm/us_usa_healthcare_obama_uninsured_4

Rightwing Troll

September 11th, 2009
6:59 am

So state laws trump the Fed? Is that why the Fed was raiding “pot stores” in Cali under Bush when it was perfectly legal by California law?

Since when was newt “out to change the country for the better”? When he wrote that piece of toilet paper “The Contract with America”? (do you remember that, where he and the others of the “republican revolution” wiped thier collective arses with that contract almost as soon as they were elected, then threw it out???)

Finn McCool

September 11th, 2009
6:59 am

off topic (but not really):

Inside the mind of Joe Wilson
America is changing, and that makes white people like Joe Wilson — and Michele Bachmann — very nervous

By Richard Benjamin
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/09/11/joe_wilson/

BitterEXdemocrackkk

September 11th, 2009
7:04 am

Mandate that EACH ONE shall pay for HIS/HER own healthcare, whether by insurance or out of pocket…when this happens, costs will go down for all…remember, ‘healthcare’ is NEITHER a Right NOR a Function of the US Constitution. Look to the Constitution for guidance.

Wow! Who’s watching the hottest new online news resources???

http://www.Breitbart.TV Andrew Breitbart is a brave new patriot!

http://www.BigGovernment.com

jt

September 11th, 2009
7:06 am

Inside the mind of a liberal.

Chirp Chirp.

Lord Help Us

September 11th, 2009
7:07 am

Well for crying out loud…it can’t be good if Obama might get credit.

The reality will be that Obama will get a good healthcare bill through Congress and into law. Like the stimulus plan, the healthcare bill will be popular, effective and will be passed without any substantive Republican participation.

The cons have emasculated themselves with manufactured, specious, shallow and misleading hysteria too many times…

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:11 am

TaxPayer

September 11th, 2009
6:45 am

I have now, thanks. I hope our conservative friends take the time to watch it.

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:14 am

Lord Help Us

September 11th, 2009
7:07 am

I wish I was as confident as you. Don’t forget who we’re dealing with here.

jt

September 11th, 2009
7:14 am

“GOP once embraced what it now condemns”

You lie!!!!

This was a STATE bill. Not a FEDERAL bill.

This would be perfectly acceptable if voted on only by Georgians and only for Georgians.

And besides, I thought the republicans never tried to reform health care. Or does it only count if Barney Frank is involved.?

Joey

September 11th, 2009
7:15 am

Jay;
Typically you share less than half the story.

The State Bill was defeated. Was that defeat lead by Republicans or Democrats. Where do the opponents of the State Bill fall regarding the Democrat National Health Care plan?

Will you allow for the possibility that sponsors and supporters of the State Bill have learned from a past mistake?

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:15 am

“Senate panel seeks end to F-22 export ban”

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A Senate panel urged the Air Force on Thursday to start developing an export model of its F-22 Raptor, the most advanced U.S. fighter jet, even as it voted to end U.S. purchases.

Japan, Israel and Australia have shown interest in buying the supersonic, radar-evading F-22 Raptor, designed to destroy enemy air defenses in the first days of any conflict and clear the way for other missions.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090910/pl_nm/us_arms_usa_congress_2

theROOSTER

September 11th, 2009
7:22 am

Jay, Is there something you do not understand about the 10th Amendment? “The powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.”

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:23 am

jt

September 11th, 2009
7:14 am

If it was good for our state, why wouldn’t we accept it for our nation?
You mean the death panels and rationing are okay on a state level? It’s only a good idea if we propose it. Anything “they” propose is bad.

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:28 am

Refresh, please.

Doggone/GA

September 11th, 2009
7:28 am

“Jay, Is there something you do not understand about the 10th Amendment?”

Is there something about the hypocrisy of being FOR something that you are now AGAINST that YOU do not understand? Remember when that “flip flopping” was used against opponents in an election?

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 11th, 2009
7:31 am

Methinks bookman is confused, data mining or an advisory panel is somewhat different than mandatory end of life counseling.

Know what I mean?

Normal

September 11th, 2009
7:31 am

PRESIDENT OBAMA, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
—————–
Bitter: Breitbart? A little one sided for me… Sorry, Taxpayer, old mindset ;-)
—————–

TN, You ever think that there might be a time when we have to fight our own equipment? I guess the deals would be good for Lockheed, but I wonder what it will do for the country?

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:31 am

“Dems answer Obama’s call for action on health care”

WASHINGTON (AP) – Democratic leaders wrestling with health care legislation are confronting a host of knotty issues such as medical malpractice, abortion, illegal immigrants and Medicaid, all the while predicting passage of sweeping health care legislation within a few months. “That’s the legislative process,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said as she and other Democrats shifted from praising President Barack Obama’s health care speech this week to the less glamorous task of trying to negotiate a bill that will pass muster with a host of opposing factions.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_CARE_OVERHAUL?SITE=GACAT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-09-11-07-08-14

Mrs. Godzilla

September 11th, 2009
7:31 am

regarding the ROOSTER….

Tentherism, in a nutshell, proclaims that New Deal-era reformers led an unlawful coup against the “True Constitution,” exploiting Depression-born desperation to expand the federal government’s powers beyond recognition. Under the tenther constitution, Barack Obama’s health-care reform is forbidden, as is Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. The federal minimum wage is a crime against state sovereignty; the federal ban on workplace discrimination and whites-only lunch counters is an unlawful encroachment on local businesses.

Tenthers divine all this from the brief language of the 10th Amendment, which provides that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” In layman’s terms, this simply means that the Constitution contains an itemized list of federal powers — such as the power to regulate interstate commerce or establish post offices or make war on foreign nations — and anything not contained in that list is beyond Congress’ authority.

The tenther constitution, however, reads each of these powers very narrowly — too narrowly, it turns out, to permit much of the progress of the last century. As the nation emerges from the worst economic downturn in three generations, the tenthers would strip away the very reforms and economic regulations that beat back the Great Depression, and they would hamstring any attempt to enact new progressive legislation.

Such retreat to fringe constitutional theories is one of the right’s favorite tactics during times of historic upheaval. The right-wing South justified both secession and the Civil War on the theory that the Constitution is nothing more than a pact between sovereigns that each state is free to leave at will. In the immediate wake of Brown v. Board of Education, 19 senators and 77 representatives endorsed a “Southern Manifesto,” proclaiming — in words echoed by modern-day tenthers — that Brown “encroach[es] on the rights reserved to the States” because the “Constitution does not mention education.” President Franklin Delano Roosevelt spent much of his first term combating a tenther majority on the Supreme Court, which routinely struck down substantial portions of the New Deal.

http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=rally_round_the_true_constitution

mike

September 11th, 2009
7:35 am

Jay is demonstrating his usual intellectual dishonesty by conflating concern about care rationing with “death panel” claims.

Sorry to hear that thoughtful analysis makes Jay “sick”, but Jay is consistently sickened by any who dare disagree with his narrow views.

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:36 am

Normal

September 11th, 2009
7:31 am

I was just passing along the information. Not necessarily supporting it. But why not let our “allies” pay for their own defense? They’ll develop their own eventually anyway or buy it from someone else.

Normal

September 11th, 2009
7:36 am

Mike, you too, need more fiber…

Cherokee

September 11th, 2009
7:41 am

Chip Rogers is my Senator, sadly. He is the ultimate politician, carefully checking the tea leaves to see what the most radical elements of the xenophobic wingbut base is looking for, and jumping to the front so he can lead the charge. He does not care to solve problems, or lead as a statesman; he is only about his own political power.

And given the prevalence of wingnut thought in this lovely state, he will probably continue to do well in his political career.

But he’s no more than an empty suit, and the fact that he worked yesterday for something that he opposes today wouldn’t give him pause at all..

Typical Republican, at that.

Normal

September 11th, 2009
7:42 am

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:36 am
—————
I’ve had simular thoughts too. I said that if the world wants us to be a police force, we should charge for it. For example. “You want us to clean up the Taliban? OK, but it will cost you $500.00 a day per soldier used, plus expenses. Deal? Sign here…”

This way it would cost the country nothing and each soldier used would be paid what he is really worth. I think it’s a good idea.

Cherokee

September 11th, 2009
7:43 am

and thanks Mrs. G for the explanation…

Jay

September 11th, 2009
7:43 am

Reporter, there is certainly confusion, but it exists in the minds of people such as your sainted Sarah Palin. When she complained about a panel that would allegedly decide whether care should be rationed to people such as Trig, she was referring to the Comparative Effectiveness Research Center.

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:44 am

Refresh, pretty please.

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:48 am

Normal

September 11th, 2009
7:42 am

Yeah, I thnk we need a separate volunteer command for U.N. and humanitarian missions. Your idea would be able to fund it.

Alton E. Drew

September 11th, 2009
7:49 am

If these senators supported mandating health insurance for Georgians in the past, they were wrong then just like Mr. Obama is wrong now. Some of the uninsured have economically rational reasons for not carrying insurance including that it may be less expensive to pay out-of-pocket. Some consumers have the income or sufficient resources to do so.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-18558-Public-Policy-Examiner~y2009m9d11-Choosing-not-to-carry-health-insurance-is-market-behavior-not-irresponsible-behavior

Maxine Klinger

September 11th, 2009
7:50 am

Jay would you consider adding the words “narrow”, “partisan” and “hack” to the computer filter so that we will not have to suffer through mikes boring redundant posts any longer?

Cherokee

September 11th, 2009
7:51 am

what Maxine said…..

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:51 am

Alton E. Drew

September 11th, 2009
7:49 am

Then they shouldn’t object to putting up a bond to prove it and make sure the state doesn’t end up having to pay for their care.

USinUK

September 11th, 2009
7:54 am

(waving hand)

fercryingoutloud, I soooo second Maxine!!!

Mrs. Godzilla

September 11th, 2009
7:55 am

motion carried!

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 11th, 2009
7:56 am

We are talking about two totally different things here-

Sorry Folks, Sarah Palin Is (Partly) Right

President Obama has proposed a new body that would enhance Medicare’s ability to deny care to the elderly and disabled based on government bureaucrats’ arbitrary valuations of those patients’ lives.

It is right there in the legislation now before Congress, and it is called the Independent Medicare Advisory Council.-Cato Institute

Without laboring through the the myriad legislation that defines “Comparative Effectiveness Research Center,” I’m guessing that the Repugs want to improve the level of care, not make it more “cost effective.”

Tom

September 11th, 2009
7:56 am

The point of the proposed State Constitutional amendment is not to prevent the federal law from applying in Georgia. ( Any first year law student knows that the federal law will trump. As much as one might wish otherwise, the 10th amendment does not work that way.) The point of the proposed amendment is to have a hot button issue on the ballot next fall for the state’s elections to rally the conservatives to come out and vote.

TnGelding

September 11th, 2009
7:57 am

Alton E. Drew

September 11th, 2009
7:49 am

Rational choices? I don’t think so. It’s irrational not to have health insurance for all but the very wealthiest among us, the top-one-percenters. Mere millionaires need the protection. But like I stated earlier, I don’t like the mandates either.

mike

September 11th, 2009
8:00 am

Tom –

“The point of the proposed amendment is to have a hot button issue on the ballot next fall for the state’s elections to rally the conservatives to come out and vote.”

Doesn’t every party have “hot button issues”? This constant whining about “wedge issues” and “hot button issues” is such hypocrisy.

Cherokee

September 11th, 2009
8:01 am

Tom you’re absolutely correct. Rogers knows it’s unconstitutional, but that’s irrelevant. It’s all about motivating the base.

mike

September 11th, 2009
8:03 am

Maxine Klinger (or whatever your usual posting name is) –

While you are at it include “racist”, “unpatriotic”, “and “lies” to the list. Of course, liberals would not be able to get much through the system.

Thanks for the lame attack thought. So much easier than actually addressing anything that anyone actually says.

mike

September 11th, 2009
8:05 am

Normal –

“Mike, you too, need more fiber…”

Lame zinger. Yawn.

I love how angry liberals seem to think that my own comments are any more critical than their own. Get over it, hypocrites.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 11th, 2009
8:07 am

fiber…..it’s the new anger

mike

September 11th, 2009
8:08 am

Maxine Klinger (or whatever your usual posting name is) – -

Another thing. My post only used one of the three words you are whining about: “narrow”, which apparently is more offensive than accusing the entire GOP of being racists.

Feel free to respond to something I actually say. Of course, doing so would require you to actually read and think, so I won’t hold my breath. Lame zingers seem to be the extent of your (and many others’) rhetorical capabilities.

mike

September 11th, 2009
8:09 am

Mrs. Godzilla –

Yes, I should be positive like you. LOL

Lord Help Us

September 11th, 2009
8:10 am

Hold the presses!

I find myself converted to the logic of the right in their insistence on verification of legal status of people before they are allowed to receive any healthcare benefits…otherwise…how can we be ABSOLUTLEY SURE that no illegal aliens are breaking the law by receiving gov’t subsidized healthcare insurance!!

I know, I know…but the persistence and logic of the truly enlightened has finally enabled me to see clearly…

However, being a consistent, fair person myself, I must insist that this measure be taken in all laws on the books…again, to make sure that people have no way of circumventing our laws.

For instance:

-All cars must be fitted with a device to make sure they never exceed the limit (otherwise, some might break the law)…

-All tax returns must be audited by the IRS (otherwise, some people will cheat on their income taxes…

-Before anyone can buy a gun, the FBI needs to do a thorough background check…no matter how long it takes (otherwise, some people with felonies, mental illness, etc. could slip through the cracks)

Okay, cons, I’m on board…now please back me up on these other items so that we don’t look stupid.

Davo

September 11th, 2009
8:10 am

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Lie Them
by Jack Hunter on September 11, 2009

http://www.takimag.com/article/lies_and_the_lying_liars_who_lie_them/

“But besides his bad behavior, Wilson’s greatest mistake was in limiting his critique to just one aspect of the proposed healthcare plan. Unlike many conservatives, I don’t find it necessary to attribute all sorts of devious motives to President Obama. Calling Obama a “socialist” is accurate, but he is simply the latest in a long line of socialist presidents who gave us Social Security, Medicare and other expansions of an ever-growing welfare state that too many Americans consider their birthright.”

Joey

September 11th, 2009
8:10 am

How about including “teabagger”, so the morons and idiots who love to sing out that term.

And also include “moron” and “idiot” and their derivitives.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 11th, 2009
8:12 am

Mike

Thanks! Double Dog LOL!

Dave R.

September 11th, 2009
8:14 am

Jay, while you tell your usual half the story and compare apples to oranges, you are right on one point. Rogers and Hill are hypocrites.

However, as even someone as partisan as you might understand, the intent of their bill a couple of years ago was to keep people who could afford insurance from sticking it to you and me in the event they needed care and didn’t have the means to cover a large bill in a hospital. Hope & Change wants to kill off small businesses with his plan, or dump more people into his precious “public option” if they don’t go along. A pretty big difference if you ask me.

Either way, both plans are wrong.

Doggone/GA

September 11th, 2009
8:15 am

“wants to kill off small businesses with his plan, or dump more people into his precious “public option” if they don’t go along”

Proof please

Joey

September 11th, 2009
8:16 am

Help Us;
I am good with your proposal except for the speed limits. Vehicles constantly move from one limit to another and the technology is just to expensive for any but the wealthy to afford.

Hmmm. Only the wealty could afford automobiles. Good for public transportation, good for the wealthy………. Maybe I am wrong about this one.

Tom

September 11th, 2009
8:17 am

Mike, I never said whether I thought that it was good or bad politcs to put hot buttom issues on the ballot. Simply describing the phemonenon. And from you response, it sounds like you agree with me on their motive.

Lord Help Us

September 11th, 2009
8:18 am

Joey, it’s the only way to be ABSOLUTELY SURE nobody breaks the law.

We simply must be consistent, so matter how absurd…

Bubba

September 11th, 2009
8:19 am

I just love the broad brush approach. The headline says ‘GOP once embraced what it now condemns’. The blog refers to two Georgia state legislators — so I guess they are now the entire GOP. Great job!

Stone Cold Steve Austin

September 11th, 2009
8:21 am

I’m glad that somebody finally has the cojones to stand up and oppose Federal mandates for insurance coverage for individuals. Talk about over stepping bounds, and dare I say downright unconstitutional! And that’s the bottom line cause Stone Cold said so!

Doggone/GA

September 11th, 2009
8:21 am

“simply must be consistent, so matter how absurd…”

You forgot jaywalking…we need to line all of our streets with fences, with gates at the cross-walks that only open when the traffic lights permit people to cross.

Dave R.

September 11th, 2009
8:22 am

Analysis, Doggone. Try it sometime instead of repeating like a parrot Democrat talking points.

Donald D

September 11th, 2009
8:24 am

It really doesn’t matter what President Obama does or says. The Republicans are admittingly out to destroy his administration; regardless of the consequences. They could care less if he succeeds and the country benefits. They put their party and ideology over the welfare of the nation.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 11th, 2009
8:24 am

Barney Fife was my anti-jaywalking hero….

TaxPayer

September 11th, 2009
8:24 am

Normal

September 11th, 2009
8:25 am

Mike, you need a hug, too…Better?

Doggone/GA

September 11th, 2009
8:25 am

“Analysis, Doggone. Try it sometime instead of repeating like a parrot Democrat talking points”

You’re replies might make more sense if you’d first quote what you are responding to. I don’t have a clue which of my posts you are replying to.

mike

September 11th, 2009
8:26 am

Normal –

Zinged again. Yawn.

Dave R.

September 11th, 2009
8:27 am

That would be the last one you made to ME, Doggone. Pay attention.

Normal

September 11th, 2009
8:28 am

Lord Help Us

September 11th, 2009
8:10 am

Lord: That is soooo socialist! :lol:

Normal

September 11th, 2009
8:30 am

Mike, you misconscrue, these are not zingers, they are suggestions.
Your tight little line on sight just can’t see that, that’s all.

Doggone/GA

September 11th, 2009
8:30 am

“That would be the last one you made to ME, Doggone. Pay attention”

I get it, you can’t provide proof of your assertions…so you label a request for proof as “repeating like a parrot Democrat talking points”

Learn something new everyday. Hey everyone! If you ask for proof, remember you’re repeating talking points now!

mike

September 11th, 2009
8:32 am

Tom –

“And from you response, it sounds like you agree with me on their motive.”

Kinda sorta. I think there is a kind of chicken-and-egg relationship between the issues that the party officials and the party members want to pursue. In some cases, issues are ginned up for the purpose of getting votes. I think it is much more often the case that the party officials address issues that reflect the concerns of the constituncies.

My gripe is that the GOP is always being cast as being much more cynical about their issue selection. The media likes to throw the term “wedge issue” at controversial issues and apply it to the GOP stance.

Joey

September 11th, 2009
8:34 am

One person’s absurdity is often the logical mind’s clearly made point.

Remember

September 11th, 2009
8:34 am

…and NEVER FORGET –

Let’s roll. –Todd Beamer before he and others apparently
thwarted the fourth set of terrorists

Dave R.

September 11th, 2009
8:35 am

Hey, TaxCheat! You MIGHT wish to post something more recent than a few years ago to make your point, and you MIGHT wish to actually READ your linked article BEFORE posting it to make a lame point (that being a knock on Georgia and Georgian leaders).

From the article you linked to:

“As more than twenty Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents surrounded the trailer”

Is not ICE a FEDERAL AGENCY, TaxCheat? Don’t our local sheriffs and elected officials defer to the FEDERAL government when it comes to illegal aliens and immigration issues?

The answer to BOTH those questions would be a resounding – YES!

As Bugs Bunny would say – “What a maroon!”

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 11th, 2009
8:35 am

Well, if Bookman can’t see the diffrence in these two bills I can’t help him. But there’s a big diffrence. One was put in by a couple godly Republicans. The other was put in by a bunch of librul Democrats. The first one was suppose to keep us Free and away from guvmint control. The librul Democrats bill is suppose to keep us in Slavery to the federal guvmint. They might look alike but their purpose is the diffrence between night and day.

Anyhow, I’m making my rounds so all you drunks can have something to do when traveling music comes on today. Have a good day everybody.

Finn McCool

September 11th, 2009
8:37 am

Listening to an interesting interview with the writer of Republican Gomorrah.

Republican Gomorrah is the first book that actually “gets” what’s happened to the Republican Party and in turn what the Republicans have done to our country. The usual Democratic Party and/or progressive “take” on the Republican Party is that it’s been taken over by a far right lunatic fringe of hate and hypocrisy, combining as it does, sexual and other scandals with moralistic finger wagging. But Blumenthal explains a far deeper pathology: it isn’t so much religion as the psychosis and sadomasochism of the losers now called “Republicans” that drives the party. And the “Christianity” that shapes so much “conservative” thinking now is anything but Christian. It’s a series of deranged personality cults.

http://www.amazon.com/Republican-Gomorrah-Inside-Movement-Shattered/dp/1568583982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252672011&sr=8-1

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 11th, 2009
8:37 am

Gee, how many times have I said this exact same thing-

Tort reform is a policy no-brainer. Experts on left and right agree that defensive medicine—ordering tests and procedures solely to protect against Joe Lawyer—adds enormously to health costs. The estimated dollar benefits of reform range from a conservative $65 billion a year to perhaps $200 billion. In context, Mr. Obama’s plan would cost about $100 billion annually. That the president won’t embrace even modest change that would do so much, so quickly, to lower costs, has left Americans suspicious of his real ambitions.-WSJ

Yankee

September 11th, 2009
8:37 am

My morning Political Vent ritual is to vote down the first 10-15 vents from top to bottom because they are usually MORONIC and GOP hateful talking point straight from FAUX NEWS.

Normal

September 11th, 2009
8:39 am

Redneck is truly the Plato of our time…

Dave R.

September 11th, 2009
8:39 am

Actually, Doggone, I’m not asking for talking points when you ask for proof. I’m merely pointing out that there is a difference in mindlessly following a liberal dogma as you do, and thinking about an issue, which I do. I’m providing analysis of an event yet to come, therefore, proof cannot be provided. You did graduate some form of school at one time, didn’t you?

mike

September 11th, 2009
8:39 am

Normal –

Do me a favor and help me understand your view. I comment on Jay’s post. You choose to engage me with the witty and sophisticated line about “fiber”.

Can you explain what is different between my behavior and yours or any of the other commenters here? Or are you just flapping your gums because you need to?

GEORGE AMERICAN

September 11th, 2009
8:39 am

THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD GET OUT OF DECENT AMERICAN’S BUSINESS. REAL AMERICANS SHOULDN’T BE FORCED (PROBABLY AT GUN POINT) TO BY HEALTH INSURANCE. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP MY HARD EARNED MONEY.

FORCING ME TO BUY SOMETHING IS FASCIST!!!

I SHOULDN’T BE FORCED TO BUY CAR INSURANCE EITHER!!! THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING OUR MONEY.

WE HAVE TO STOP THE GOVERNMENT’S STEALING OF OUR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM!!!

mike

September 11th, 2009
8:42 am

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“Redneck is truly the Plato of our time…”

Actually, Redneck is a bigot who probably has never spent much time with any of the people that he parodies. I have always noticed that people find it easiest to have bigoted, stereotyped and ignorant views of people with whom they have rarely interacted.

Doggone/GA

September 11th, 2009
8:43 am

“I’m providing analysis of an event yet to come, therefore, proof cannot be provided”

You “provided” no analysis whatsoever. You made an assertion without proof and expected us to accept it without criticism. Where is youR analysis (since you have no proof) that Obama “WANTS to kill off small businesses with his plan, or dump more people into his precious “public option” if they don’t go along”? With the emphasis on the WANTS.

Finn McCool

September 11th, 2009
8:44 am

From Reuters (all quotes):
Here are some facts about illegal immigrants and healthcare in the United States:

- A total of 9.7 million among the uninsured said they were “not a citizen.” Foreign students and workers legally in the country as well as illegal immigrants are included in this sub-group, according to Census Bureau researchers.

- Census Bureau researchers are not allowed to ask respondents about their immigration status. Almost all estimates of the number of uninsured illegal immigrants are based on extrapolations from Census surveys.

- There are 6.1 million uninsured adults who are illegal immigrants and 700,000 uninsured children who are illegal immigrants, according to an estimate by the non-partisan Pew Hispanic Center, which was based on Census data.

So, 6.1 mill + 700k, let’s say 7 million people are illegal immigrants. As a slice of 300 million Americans, you are wigging out and stomping your feet for what amounts to 2.3% of the population?

Are you people for real? And you wonder why life has passed you by? Why irrelevancy is what you see in the mirror every morning?

Lord Help Us

September 11th, 2009
8:45 am

Oh boogers, I need some help…

I am trying to evaluate how we can always be ABSOLUTELY SURE our laws are not broken and I have to admit one law in particular has me stumped.

Georgias’ sodomy laws…

How can we make absolutely sure these laws that are already on the books are not broken?

Any ideas would be helpful…

Mrs. Godzilla

September 11th, 2009
8:46 am

Yankee

September 11th, 2009
8:46 am

The Republican (more and more basically a southern, white and right wing NUTCASE organization) mantra is basically ” THE PARTY OF NO ………NO-BAMA” Even if this President could turn water into wine they would find some fault(s). RACISM PLAIN AND SIMPLE !!!

Normal

September 11th, 2009
8:48 am

MIKE: I do my snippets with an attempt at humor, you, on the other hand, sound “on Paper” constantly angry. I have never “heard” you make a comment in measured tones. Why is that? These blogs are not going to change the world and we all disagree with each other at one time or another, but when we disagree we can do it in a civil manner. There are some here that just don’t understand the term “good manners”, and to MY tender sensibilities, you sometimes fall into that catagory.

“Or are you just flapping your gums because you need to?”
This is an excellent ezample of what I am pointing out. ‘Nuff said, don’t you think?

Finn McCool

September 11th, 2009
8:48 am

oops, here is the link to the Reuters info on illegal immigrants:

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE57G53I20090817

Normal

September 11th, 2009
8:49 am

mike

September 11th, 2009
8:42 am
Normal -

“Redneck is truly the Plato of our time…”

Actually, Redneck is a bigot who probably has never spent much time with any of the people that he parodies. I have always noticed that people find it easiest to have bigoted, stereotyped and ignorant views of people with whom they have rarely interacted.

Another act of civility…just sayin’

Doggone/GA

September 11th, 2009
8:50 am

“Even if this President could turn water into wine ”

Obviously, they already think he can…after all, they DO keep calling him the Messiah…don’t they?

Howard

September 11th, 2009
8:51 am

The South Carolina Republican Party and the Texas Republican Party are both challenging the Georgia Republican Party for the top spot in a “Some Times You Feel Like a Nut” commercial. Chip “off the old blockhead” Rogers is giving us a fighting chance of making it on to comedy central as a regular joke.

TaxPayer

September 11th, 2009
8:56 am

Sybil alert at 8:35. Sybil has now released Dave R and TaxCheat and Bugs Bunny on us in one post. Sybil, you’re slipping, losing control of your inner selves. Try to contain yourself.

Bosch

September 11th, 2009
8:57 am

A little early for music, but I was listening to this last night and decided to dedicate it to the GOP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER5AZDzrvRk

Good luck guys!

Dave R.

September 11th, 2009
8:57 am

Gee, Doggone, where have you been for the past 6 months? And by the way, where did you learn about business?

Please tell me you don’t think that Hope & Change doesn’t want as many people dependent on government care as he can get. Despite everything he’s done in his pitiful few years in government service, he’s done nothing BUT vote for everything that would make people more dependent on government.

The bill he supports MANDATES people to have health insurance, and fines businesses if they do not provide insurance to their employees. You HAVE read H.R. 3200, haven’t you? What do you think will happen if this monstrosity is passed, Doggone? Do you think that businesses CURRENTLY providing health care to their employees will continue to do so, or simply dump the employee (one option) or dump the coverage and pay the lesser fine than what is currently costing them in health care costs? After all, they’ll have a new government option to fall under, which the EMPLOYER is now paying for!

If the employer chooses to do the right thing by their employees, how long do they stay in business if they keep dumping employees because they can’t afford to keep them? For that matter, how many people have lost their jobs due to the increase in the FEDERAL minimum wage?

Either way, Hope & Change gets his ultimate goal – complete and utter dependency on government – despite his lying to school children about personal responsibility earlier this week. He no more believes that than he believes in the intent of the U.S. Constitution.

Grow up, Doggone. Your country is being sold down the river, and you are a willing accomplice to the policies and the politicians that are doing it.

[...] In Georgia, GOP once embraced what it now condemns [Atlanta Journal-Constitution] [...]

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 11th, 2009
8:58 am

Jay, if you think that a “healthcare exchange” among private insurers is the same as a “healthcare exchange” with a clear competitive bias toward a government insurer is the same thing you are one twisted dude.

TaxPayer

September 11th, 2009
9:01 am

Doggone,

Dave R is struggling, dare I speak more precisely and say, grunting, even, to deliver another of his insightful morning constitutionals. As usual, it will pass and we can put the stench behind us until his next appearance.

Dave R.

September 11th, 2009
9:02 am

Finn, let’s turn the tables on your argument.

If there are only 3%-4% of Americans who truly do not have health care insurance, as has been shown by different studies, they why is our government trying to “reform” an entire health care system instead of trying to address the problem of those 3%-4%?

Why are YOU wigging out and stomping your feet for 3%-4% of the population?

Joey

September 11th, 2009
9:03 am

I see that the Left-Wing-Wacko-GEORGE AMERICAN is back and is shouting at us again.