What does ‘46.3 million uninsured’ mean?

I’ve been poking through the Census Bureau’s annual report on household income, poverty and health-insurance coverage. It’s not pleasant reading.

Overall, the report shows, median household income didn’t change in real terms from 1998-2008. And last year, median household income fell by 3.6 percent. The rate of that decline varied considerably by region, with the steepest fall (4.9 percent) here in the South and the Northeast squeaking out a 0.1 percent gain.

Poverty levels rose as well, particularly among married-couple families. The poverty rate in that subgroup rose from 4.9 percent in 2007 to 5.5 percent in ‘08.

Politically, the data point getting the most attention is the fact that the number of uninsured Americans rose from 45.7 million to 46.3 million. But what does that number really mean? What’s the definition of “uninsured?”

Reading the official Census Bureau explanation makes the number more dire than I had previously understood:

“People were considered ‘insured’ if they were covered by any type of health insurance for part or all of the previous calendar year. They were considered ‘uninsured’ if, for the entire year, they were not covered by any type of health insurance.”

In other words, if you had insurance at any point in the year, you are considered insured in the Census data. Those 46.3 million uninsured were, by the Bureau’s account, uninsured for all of 2007.

And yet we spend twice as much per capita on health care as most other Western industrialized nations. Something is fundamentally wrong, people.

UPDATE: The Georgia Budget and Policy Institute dug deeper into that Census data for insurance numbers specific to the Peach State. It reports that 19.2 percent of Georgia’s non-elderly population were uninsured in 2007-2008, compared with 1.2 million, or 16.4 percent lacking coverage at the start of the decade (2000-2001).

“Employer-provided health insurance is declining in Georgia, an unwelcome statistic for working Georgians,” GBPI notes. “Sixty-two percent of Georgians had employer-provided coverage in 2007-2008, down from 67.6 percent in 2000-2001. The erosion of employer-sponsored health insurance is a leading factor in Georgia’s increasing number of uninsured and indicative of the difficulty of affording health insurance among employers and employees.”

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I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(

September 10th, 2009
4:01 pm

I think it has alot to do with the democrat Congress and the Obozo economy.

How do you like that, they wreck, they “fix.”

Pretty soon, we’ll be totally wiped out.

Jay

September 10th, 2009
4:03 pm

Of course you think that, Reporter.

And the fact that the time period in question ends Dec. 31, 2008, before Obama even took office, doesn’t change your thinking in the least.

thomas

September 10th, 2009
4:03 pm

So Jay why did Obama only claim 30 million last night?
Eventhough he had been going with the 46 million up til that point.

Jay

September 10th, 2009
4:10 pm

Thomas, I have no idea, although I too am curious.

jconservative

September 10th, 2009
4:11 pm

Yeah, the medical insurance companies buy for their employees is turning into an unacceptable percentage of the total cost of payroll. Most workers are probably seeing their share go up & the quality of the policy go down. I have for the past 25 years.

So more & more workers are going to lose medical insurance or end up with a catastrophic type policy with a killer out of pocket.

We must get the costs down. When the baby boomers hit Medicare this country is going to look like the Titanic when it hit the iceberg.
Our iceberg is the cost of health care.

I don’t care who gets covered or who does not get covered, whether is public or private, in a few years it will make no difference. The CMS will spend $803 Billion on benefits for 98 million beneficiaries in FY 2010. That 98 million is going to double in a few years plus costs are going up. You are then looking at $2 Trillion for CMS to spend in a few years.

Is this what everyone wants? It should be, because that is what you are going to get.

Paul

September 10th, 2009
4:12 pm

I’m struck by the fact that, generally speaking, states with the highest uninsured rates have Congressmen most opposed to health care reform, let alone a public option.

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But the data on the income levels, even among households with both working, is extremely troubling. Now factor in increases over time in local tax rates (I’m making an assumption here) and disposable income really takes a hit.

booger

September 10th, 2009
4:12 pm

The reason he claimed 30 million last night is that he said 30 million citizens, not residents.

Paul

September 10th, 2009
4:15 pm

Jay

I haven’t verified it, but I believe the Census includes all those who reside here. Legality of being here is not an issue. So uninsured data derived from the Census would necessarily include those here legally and illegally.

josef nix

September 10th, 2009
4:19 pm

“Something is fundamentally wrong, people.”

Yes, it is and a good part of that is that we no longer can use the word fundamentally. Until we get back to the fundamentals, we’re doomed to failure.

Free, universal health care. No more, no less. That’s the fundamental. Set it as our priority and find our moral compass.

Truth

September 10th, 2009
4:19 pm

I agree, Jay. People need to take responsibility for themselves and their families. They must make health insurance their number one priority. My guess is that many of the uninsured are spening their money on “wants” instead of “needs”.

GEORGE AMERICAN

September 10th, 2009
4:21 pm

thomas

September 10th, 2009
4:24 pm

Jay,

That seems like a dodge. ;)

You have written 3 pieces today, and have yet to express any concern about that eventhough others have.

You seem to have a handle upon the motives of republicans often so one would only assume that you have some insight as to how 17 million people got dropped?

Were they planning to include illegals, but now are not?
Or were they knowingly exaggerating the numbers to make things sound worse than they are? As if they are not bad enough.

BTW they call knowingly exaggerating lying, were I come from. Though I understand that is unattainable from your keyboard.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 10th, 2009
4:25 pm

This is amazing…..Rob Miller now up to $350,000…..

Somebody let Wilson say something else……

Angry Black Man

September 10th, 2009
4:29 pm

Truth

You may be about 20-30% right about that. I would think more along the lines that some people see insurance as a luxury that they can not afford after basic necessities are taken care of like food, rent/mortgage, utilities, and things like that. Growing up, I considered it a luxury. I was raised by my grandparents who were on fixed incomes. I didn’t get to play football, because as my mom told me point blank, “I don’t have insurance to cover you if you get hurt.” Once I got a job that I could afford the payments, I’ve had coverage since. I saw an almost 50% increase to my bi-weekly premium just this year alone. It’s almost getting to the point of being a luxury again. If it were not for the wife and child, I’d almost consider dropping coverage for a while. I could save some money to afford to pay for insurance. I can only imagine the decisions that people who make less than I do are confronted with.

thomas

September 10th, 2009
4:30 pm

Truth,
you didn’t know that health care is a right not a need.

Needs are things like food, water, shelter, clothing. You know the same things that would bring health care cost down. B/C more people would be healthier.

ByteMe

September 10th, 2009
4:36 pm

Mrs. G: Over $400K as of 2:40 today.

ByteMe

September 10th, 2009
4:37 pm

Mrs G: Oh, and Wilson went on MSNBC to say that many of his constituents have called to praise his outburst.

RealityKing

September 10th, 2009
4:40 pm

Yesterday, a new night brought a new number — one which may reflect a conscious shift in emphasis on the president’s part.

Throughout the last few months congressional Democrats as well as the President have been put on the defensive trying to rebut claims illegal immigrants would be able to get coverage.

In his Thursday briefing, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that the 30 million figure was used because the administration is limiting who can be covered and therefore he argued the different number is the most appropriate.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 10th, 2009
4:40 pm

…405,000 and counting…….

Byte Me

If I were Wilson I tell ‘em “forget the compliments for my a$$holiness
and send campaign cash”!

thomas

September 10th, 2009
4:40 pm

ABM,

Does a cell phone, cable TV, internet, Xbox……… count as a necessity? NO

I assume the 20-30% was accounting for those who have the things I listed above.

Wouldn’t it be great if both political parties would speak honestly and agree there are those who could afford coverage but choose not to purchase any.

By dems. setting that example maybe the few republicans acting carelessly and dishonestly may be compelled to act and speak more honetly.

Disclaimer- I am only speaking about elected officals, not radio or telvision personalities. As both sides are bad in that department.

ByteMe

September 10th, 2009
4:42 pm

Mrs G: Soon he will go on the “Sarah Palin Oppressed Tour” and complain that liberals are not “civil” and that’s why he’s under attack. It’s all in how you continually reframe the discussion and whether your supporters have ADD.

RealityKing

September 10th, 2009
4:45 pm

Add 7 million to that for the number of Americans that are covered under current government assistance programs. 8 million for the number of Ameircans making over 70,000 but choose not to buy insurance. For a grand total of 15 million American citizens that actually need government assistance to get or keep healthcare insurance. Which is, not surprisenly, the exact same number that Republicans have been using for their arguments on targeted reform the whole time.

Angry Black Man

September 10th, 2009
4:47 pm

Thomas

That’s why I was giving you the 20-30%. I’ve seen people with the 20″ rims on their cars and living in the projects. I’ve also known people who grew up with hand-me-down clothes and living in houses that should have been condemned. Some of those who you see with the rims and stuff like that are spending money that was not legally earned anyway. Others don’t have the financial training and education to make what we feel are sensible financial decisions. I can’t personally fault a person for their spending habits if they were not taught good habits to begin with.

RealityKing

September 10th, 2009
4:48 pm

Now for some non-progressive news:

Health care policy researchers are contradicting President Obama’s claim that a government-run health insurance program would be self-sufficient and could rely on premiums, saying it’s not possible to insure up to 30 million people with better coverage and reduce costs at the same time.

“The numbers don’t hold up,” Grace Marie Turner, president of the Galen Institute, a think tank devoted to health policy, said Thursday.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 10th, 2009
4:50 pm

Wilson supporters money bomb so far……$200.00 from a total of 5 donors…..

RealityKing

September 10th, 2009
4:52 pm

30 million uninsured.., clearly a policy recoil from Joe Wilson. One that is leaving even the most progressively liberal columnists scratching their heads today.

ty webb

September 10th, 2009
4:52 pm

ah yes “free, universal healthcare”. free? really? okay, sign me up. I’ll also take that ever elusive “free” lunch. what’s on the menu?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 10th, 2009
4:53 pm

The Galen Institute describes itself as “a non-profit research organization devoted exclusively to health policy,” which advocates for “individual freedom, consumer choice, and competition in the health sector.” Among other approaches, the think tank advocates for health savings accounts. [1]

The group’s website lists as its core beliefs: [1]

“Consumers and their physicians should have authority and responsibility over their own health care decisions.

“A consumer-driven market will lower costs, promote innovation, expand choice, and increase access to better medical care.

“The vibrant free market will encourage research and innovation and provide better access to new medical technologies.

“Updating outmoded tax policy will facilitate greater access to more affordable health insurance.”

Just FYI…..

Truth

September 10th, 2009
4:55 pm

ABM… “Others don’t have the financial training and education to make what we feel are sensible financial decisions.”

Great! You agree that their situations are based on their decisions. You are coming around! Now, I gotta get you to realize that “training and education” is a cop-out. :)

@@

September 10th, 2009
4:56 pm

Funny, I just left the Census Bureau site. Looking at what constitutes a non-worker. In almost every instance save students, there was a disability involved. Then I go to the Oregonian and read an article about how much in taxpayer dollars is lost due to disability fraud.

Seems like past administrations have complained about workload and backlog. What is needed, they say is more funding for government to do their job. They get the funding and when it runs out, the backlog starts piling up once again…more money is needed.

When addressing Medicare and Medicaid last night, I was hoping Obama would give us his definition of waste. From what I read it’s government wasting time and money.

thomas

September 10th, 2009
4:58 pm

ABM,
I do not fault the ones spending the money. I have friends that fall on both sides of the fence you describe. Most were able to work their way out. Some are still finding their way.

I only fault the politicians who use those who make the decision to not purchase insurance and make it seem as if they simply can’t afford it.

josef nix

September 10th, 2009
4:59 pm

ABM–I am always befuddled by those who throw out the rims etc. when, here in my neighborhood, you see plenty of high whites in nazimobiles living in million dollar shacks who are one step away from crashing and burning, having gone to the limit of their outgo-versus-income and yet they are looked upon as having “made it,” role models. Of the same ilk as the ilk as the project dweller with the 20″ rims, they weren’t taught good habits to begin with either…indeed the project dweller probably is probably more rational in that he is in the cash economy and not the credit economy…his rims are paid for, the nazimobile isn’t…

RealityKing

September 10th, 2009
5:01 pm

What does ‘46.3 million uninsured’ mean?

It obviously means a progressive lie.., now that Obama has corrected it.

josef nix

September 10th, 2009
5:02 pm

“I’ll also take that ever elusive “free” lunch. what’s on the menu?”

Well, today it was nachos, green salad, English peas, canned peaches and milk.

md

September 10th, 2009
5:03 pm

“I can’t personally fault a person for their spending habits if they were not taught good habits to begin with.”

That covers a large number of folks that are not hurting for money as well. Where do we draw the line?

Truth

September 10th, 2009
5:05 pm

josef nix… Why bring up race??? What is the point?

md

September 10th, 2009
5:06 pm

“Well, today it was nachos, green salad, English peas, canned peaches and milk.”

Do they still serve those nasty soybean burgers?

ty webb

September 10th, 2009
5:07 pm

pretty unusual mix there Josef, a regular potpourri of cuisine.

Jay

September 10th, 2009
5:09 pm

So when the Census Bureau under Bush reported 45 million uninsured last year, RealityKing, was that also a progressive lie?

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 10th, 2009
5:10 pm

A “cut off” of Dec31st, 2008, was two years of democrat control of Congress and 6 months worth of the threat of a socialist hanging over the economies head.

Look at when the stock market plunged and when unemployment started to skyrocket, the same day the tax and spender got nominated.

And gosh, if all those predictions haven’t come true.

Chris

September 10th, 2009
5:14 pm

Responding to RealityKing @4:48–

Grace-Marie Turner’s Galen Institute is an organization with an ideological opposition to finding the best solutions if and when the best solutions might involve the government (i.e. you and me). She’s been proposing nonsensical solutions that we’ve heard for years (e.g. health savings accounts)–solutions that primarily benefit the wealthy with tax cuts that the rest of us end up paying for.

In short, Grace-Marie Turner has an ideological interest in defeating reform and her “research” can’t be trusted.

Angry Black Man

September 10th, 2009
5:16 pm

Truth

If you’re never taught your left from your right, is your decision to drive down the wrong side of the road and cause a head-on collision based only on your decision to drive? Could there not be an underlying cause? If you’re not taught how to make a decision, how do you know right from wrong.

Josef

You make a valid point that I didn’t want to bring up because I don’t want to give them too much to think about. Bad decisions are made by people from all races and all financial backgrounds. As a teacher, I already know you understand the importance of giving a child a good foundation when it comes to decision making.

Angry Black Man

September 10th, 2009
5:17 pm

md

I draw the line on people who know better but choose to make stupid decisions. If you know right from wrong and choose to do wrong, then your mistakes are your problem and not mine.

josef nix

September 10th, 2009
5:20 pm

ty webb–a potpourri of cuisine–yeah, ours is a multi-cultural environment! I just hope health care tastes better!

md–nasty soy burgers? Only to the Hindus! The latest is turkey this and turkey that. They DO still make those wonderful yeast rolls, though.

truth–why bring up race? It’s a factor whether or not we want to admit it and deal with it or not…

Angry Black Man

September 10th, 2009
5:23 pm

BTW Truth

How is education a cop-out?

Wes

September 10th, 2009
5:24 pm

Jay,

How much do you think that we’re going to raise our average life expectancy by providing health insurance for these people?

A rough guess will be fine. Just assume the improvement in their lives and multiply by 15%

josef nix

September 10th, 2009
5:26 pm

ABM–and we forget the lesson of the Christ: “…and a child shall lead them…” The little ones, who are still innocent and honest, will accept the responsibilty for and the consequences of their actions a whole lot more readily than will their adults.

Chris

September 10th, 2009
5:29 pm

30 million or 46 million uninsured? It doesn’t make much difference to me. Either way, the numbers are shocking and disgraceful.

Just as disgraceful is the fact that the rest of us who have health insurance are underinsured. Insurers are profiting substantially by gouging us and our employers on a monthly basis. Then when we need it most, we’re either denied coverage or simply run out of insurance.

Most of those people who suffer foreclosure or file for bankruptcy because of medical bills had insurance. The same thing could happen to any of us.

Angry Black Man

September 10th, 2009
5:30 pm

josef

Isn’t that the truth. That’s why I’m envious of your job. Although I get a perverted sense of satisfaction by breaking a person’s story when they’re lying to me about why they want to enter our country.

Pogo

September 10th, 2009
5:33 pm

Anybody see the film of the ACORN worker’s talking to the independent film maker and his “prostitute” wife about how to buy a house of prostitution? And these ACORN people are going to be involved in the Census? As a “Community Organizer”, Obama should be proud. This organization needs to be under Federal Investigation and it needs to be shut down because it receives Federal Tax Dollars. But under Holder and Obama, it won’t happen. Truly sickening.

Bill Cosby

September 10th, 2009
5:41 pm

We Can’t Blame White People” essay at Snopes

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different ‘husbands’ — or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs. We as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

We cannot blame the white people any longer.

josef nix

September 10th, 2009
5:41 pm

ABM–ah, immigration stories! I assigned my kids the oral presentation to tell about “the most exciting thing that ever happened to me.” Little Juanito began (and I must admit, he did a great job of filling the English language curriculum requirements!) “When we came to the United States the cayote…” and he told a tale of adventure in which he had to dodge search lights, run real fast, etc…”
“Juanito, that’s a great story and you made an A, but look, mijito, you might ought not to tell that story in public…” His answer, “well, I know you’re not the migra!”

Midori

September 10th, 2009
5:42 pm

lol

here comes Pogo playing with his nuts again :lol:

md

September 10th, 2009
5:44 pm

“How is education a cop-out?”

Dropping out of school is a choice. Since we pay taxes so all may go to school, no education is an excuse.

Angry Black Man

September 10th, 2009
5:47 pm

Josef

That one word will clear an entire city. Just shout out “La Migra” and it can sometimes be as dangerous as shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre. I came upon a work crew one morning at a QT on my way to work. They were all fixing coffee. When I went to fix a cup of coffee, you could have heard a rat pi$$ing on cotton it was so quiet in there. I haven’t seen that company at that QT anymore.

md

September 10th, 2009
5:48 pm

” Although I get a perverted sense of satisfaction by breaking a person’s story when they’re lying to me about why they want to enter our country.”

Ever wondered why you have a job doing what you do when the rest of our border is manned by no one?

Angry Black Man

September 10th, 2009
5:49 pm

Midori

You made me spill my coke with that… Pogo playing with his nuts…

That was wrong on so many different levels. But funny as hell.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 10th, 2009
5:52 pm

To wit, give or take 5 or 10 million-

(calendar years 2005 and 2006), and 10.7 percent (27.9 million people, estimate not shown) were uninsured for the entire two-year period

http://www.meps.ahrq.gov/mepsweb/data_files/publications/st220/stat220.pdf

Since Nasty Pelosi and crew took the helm, let’s say 15 million more uninsured.

They wreck, they “fix.”

Angry Black Man

September 10th, 2009
5:54 pm

md

Dropping out is a choice, as well is teachers refusing to teach. We still end up paying for both. Both end up with the same result.

“Ever wondered why you have a job doing what you do when the rest of our border is manned by no one?”

I’m not understanding your question. The border is manned, but there’s not enough manpower to place people along the entire border. Can you clarify your question for me so I can better understand and answer it?

josef nix

September 10th, 2009
5:55 pm

ABM–we used to have a social worker who took no bull. She was a cubanita hardly 5 ft tall and we used to claim she could clear the neighborhood quicker than the migra, all she had to do was turn the corner and kids took to running home, folks closed the doors and peeped through the windows to see who it was she was after! My little fellow above? Well, his parents did get their paperwork straightened out, Georgia Tech gave him a full scholarship and he’s now a high-tech engineer—Mexico’s loss, our gain, but that social worker chased and caught him and took him to school on a regular basis–Juanito came to visit not long ago and we were talking over “old times” and he was recalling the “most exciting thing” episode and declared that if we REALLY wanted to do something about illegal immigration, we’d hire la Cubanita to teach them how! :-)

TaxPayer

September 10th, 2009
6:03 pm

Jay,

Please try to keep Republican comments in their proper perspective — they come from dumba$$es.

Angry Black Man

September 10th, 2009
6:05 pm

josef

“little” cubanitas scare me. You know, a little dynamite packs a big punch.

jt

September 10th, 2009
6:06 pm

What does ‘46.3 million uninsured’ mean?

To any intelligent person,
considering the source,
Absolutely nothing.!!!

Counting illegal aliens and the uninsured is like counting ants,
You can’t.

Any info from our benevolent federal goverment is usually ridiculous. (unemployment less than 10%, inflation rate calculated without food and fuel, TARP funds,etc…….)

Oh well, a fool and his money.

josef nix

September 10th, 2009
6:07 pm

Bill Cosby–I admire the h*ll out of Cosby for saying what he did, when he did, where he did and refusing to back down. I have no problem with the common vernacular in whatever form. I love, cherish and cultivate my Hillbilly and Coona** dialects because there are things I can say in them that I cannot say in any other language or dialect. However, standard academic English is the language of access and it must be mastered as well. Rasing our own kids, we modeled for them when and where you use which form of speech and to what end.

josef nix

September 10th, 2009
6:08 pm

Gotta run for now. Check back in later…be nice!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 10th, 2009
6:11 pm

Well, it just means we got 46.3 million bums and illegals in this country. If they wasn’t bums and illegals they would have a job that pays for insurance. I don’t wish none of them harm or nothing, but it don’t bother me they don’t get to see Drs. I’ll even pray for them down at the Church of Holiness Sunday. I’ll be praying the illegals get kicked out of the country and the bums go out and find a job.

That’s the Conservative way of looking at things. I don’t care if the figure is 46 million or 30 million. They either need to go looking for a job or get out of this country. I ain’t their Daddy and I shouldn’t be made to pay for them. This is the U.S. of A., not some Commie country. It’s a jungle out there and the guy with the biggest club wins. I’m sick of this namby-pamby stuff.

There. I blowed off some steam and now I’m ready to watch some football tonight. I just can’t decide if I’ll watch GA Tech-Clemson or Tenn.-Pittsburgh. Maybe the Clemson team will get mugged down there before they get to the field and I’ll only have one game to watch. Have a good night everybody.

TaxPayer

September 10th, 2009
6:15 pm

I feel the hate spewing from the loser conservative Republican party and I’m lovin’ it. By the way, have I mentioned lately that the Republicans are doing a most excellent job with their message. It is really working for you. I would not change a thing. Really. Honestly. Trust me. Would I steer you wrong.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 10th, 2009
6:40 pm

here’s some news……seems the President is going to do a major speech on the anniversary of the financial collapse.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????

Do you remember where you were when Lehman Borthers failed?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 10th, 2009
6:42 pm

Borthers? Damn I’m getting old!

Dave R.

September 10th, 2009
6:51 pm

The problem comes when only raw figures are used to shape a debate, whether it is from the GOP side or the Democrats, Jay. Doesn’t matter.

The fact that you actually took the time to look at PART of the problem (unlike Pelosi or Reid or Hope & Change) shows there may just be some hope for you yet. Unlike the TaxCheat. Unfortunately, you MISSED the over 10 million illegal aliens counted as being without insurance. Maybe that is why last night Hope & Change tinkered with the numbers. Who knows?

Bottom-line, it has never been 47 million Americans without insurance. The real figure is much closer to 8-10 million who don’t have it and cannot get it. And those are the only people we should be targeting with any health care reform, as I have been saying for months.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 10th, 2009
6:55 pm

Dave R

So you agree with the President?

Those who don’t have it and cannot get it need help. CHECK

Not for illegal immigrants. CHECK. CHECK.

Cool!

Time to make the gravy…..

TaxPayer

September 10th, 2009
7:03 pm

Dave R.

September 10th, 2009
7:06 pm

Actually, Mrs. G., if you had actually READ my posts from the last few months, I have always conceded that some type of public option was needed, but ONLY for those who had pre-existing conditions that private companies refused to insure, and those at a certain poverty level. HOWEVER, I also called for a strict definition of those two exceptions and called for a 2/3rds majority required to change those two classifications to keep Congress from creeping into a full-fledged government-run system.

I also called for tort reform, offering of insurance across state lines and allowing group insurance for job classifications, not just for certain businesses.

THAT is TRUE compromise, not the phony bipartisanship that Pelosi, Reid and Hope & Change SAY they want.

My solution fixes the actual problems with the system, and doesn’t blow it up or destroy private insurers or small businesses.

So, do we have a deal on this, Mrs. G.?

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 10th, 2009
7:06 pm

Big Government got off to a big start today. Its main story was an undercover video taken by filmmaker James O’Keefe of an ACORN worker advising a fake ‘pimp’ and his ‘prostitute’ how to avoid taxes and prosecution.

And buy a house. And qualify underage prostitutes as their “dependents” on the tax return.

http://biggovernment.com/category/acorn/

ACORN.

eeewwww.

eewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Dave R.

September 10th, 2009
7:08 pm

You continue to be the biggest moron on this blog, TaxCheat. No one disputes that ice caps are melting, you jerk. What we dispute is the CAUSE of that melting.

Tool.

@@

September 10th, 2009
7:09 pm

jay, I left the original Congressional Research Service Report downstairs for TGT. You’re welcome to read it. I still say the language is obscured enough to warrant suspicion. Of course who knows which dadgum bill they were referring to. The politicians are running a blitz on us.

DoggoneGA

September 10th, 2009
7:11 pm

“The real figure is much closer to 8-10 million who don’t have it and cannot get it”

I’m trying to figure out how you take 47 million…subtract 10 million that you claim are illegal aliens…and come up with a figure of 8-10 million. Are you sure you aren’t advocating for including the illegals and leaving out everyone else? Or is that some kind of new math?

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 10th, 2009
7:12 pm

WASHINGTON, Sept 10 (Reuters) – As billions of dollars from the economic stimulus plan pour through the U.S. economy, members of Congress, the administration and regulatory agencies are increasingly worried about the risks of fraud.

Earl Devaney told Congress on Thursday the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board he chairs is investigating those who may have misappropriated stimulus money.

His board has “forwarded more than 100 matters to various IGs (inspector generals to ensure heightened scrutiny of specific procurements that board staff has identified as potentially problematic.

Duh, you reckon?

@@

September 10th, 2009
7:12 pm

make that Congressional Service Report, DangIt!

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 10th, 2009
7:13 pm

DaveR- Yeah, the ice caps melt every summer and this surprises our resident Einsteins like Taxxie.

md

September 10th, 2009
7:13 pm

After a President has been in office for 6 months it is customary for
the last President to send a note of congratulations to the new one.

So yesterday when the note came from Bush to Obama, the President was
somewhat troubled because it was written in code and all it said was:

370H-SSV-0773H

This troubled him as he had always heard from his peers how former
president Bush was perceived to have been scholarly challenged.

So he took the note to his wife. She was unable to decipher it. They
called in the VP, and he was unable to decode the message. They called
in the chief of staff and the head of Secret Service detail and they
were unable to determine the meaning of the note.

Next he called in the head of the Senate and Speaker of the House. They
both were mystified by the meaning of the coded message.

Now there was complete panic in the oval office.

They called all of their contacts in the media and sent copies of the
note to all of them, and not one was able to come up with an answer.

A special emergency meeting was called by the staff. All branches of
the military, counter intelligence, CIA, FBI were called in, and the
best minds were unable crack the code.

After a sleepless night, a now humbled President picked up the phone and
called the former president, and asked him the meaning of the note.

Bush chuckled and replied: “Dude… You’re holding it upside down!”

Dave R.

September 10th, 2009
7:18 pm

Doggone, if you’d take the time to look at the data, as many of us have, you’d see that there are about 10-15 million Americans who are covered under Medicare or SCHIP, but for some reason or another just don’t use the programs. There are another 10 million or more that earn at least $50k per year and many more that earn over $75k per year, that don’t bother to buy health insurance for themselves when they could. Add in the 8-10 million illegals, and you get around 10 million truly uninsured.

But don’t let all these facts muddle your brain. We’ve got it covered for you.

md

September 10th, 2009
7:19 pm

“an ACORN worker advising a fake ‘pimp’ and his ‘prostitute’ how to avoid taxes and prosecution.”

I loved the part where she is told she is not a prostitute but a “performing artist”.

Gotta get me one of those t-shirts.

DoggoneGA

September 10th, 2009
7:24 pm

“But don’t let all these facts muddle your brain”

Hey, it was YOU who just sort of left out some of those figures. And I have an idiotically simply view of it: uninsured is unisured. That brings it right back up to 47 million, give or take.

Dave R.

September 10th, 2009
7:29 pm

Which is why you’d make the perfect Democrat politician, Doggone – short on substance.

Do we throw out an entire system of private insurance that over 83% of people who have it, like it or like it a lot, in order to fix a problem that REALLY encompasses only 4%-5% of our population?

I know what you’d say.

The rest of us who actually think with our brains would say – No!

Public Option Now.

September 10th, 2009
7:32 pm

What does it mean when a woman gets an infiltrating duct carcinoma with axillary nodes positive and the insurance company she and her employer paid for years drops her on the spot and she goes bankrupt?

Finn McCool

September 10th, 2009
7:33 pm

To paraphrase the Pres, “the reason there was a deficit when I entered the White House is because so many of the initiatives of the past 8 years were not paid for.”

Scared republicans can’t decipher that statement either.

DoggoneGA

September 10th, 2009
7:38 pm

“Do we throw out an entire system of private insurance that over 83% of people who have it, like it or like it a lot, in order to fix a problem that REALLY encompasses only 4%-5% of our population?”

Since no one has proposed that, there’s no answer. Why don’t you try basing your arguments on the TRUTH for a change?

“I know what you’d say.”

No, you don’t.

Ray

September 10th, 2009
7:43 pm

Great one md! Reminds of Michael Duvall bragging about banging those lobbyist chicks when his wife thought he was just being a good Republican Christian!

Mrs. Godzilla

September 10th, 2009
7:43 pm

Dave R

You’re right about me not reading much of what you post. Sorry.

But yep, we have deal. You agree with the President on two points.
Cool.

I’m one of those 83%. ‘Course ‘cept for the annual things, I never use it. In truth, it’s never been tested.

83% like what they got. 77% want a public option.

They are not mutually exclusive.

Oh, and as the President pointed out – he wanted to build on what works, not throw the entire system out.

TaxPayer

September 10th, 2009
7:43 pm

Is Sybil (aka Dave R, apparently the ‘dominant personality’ trapped inside that shell) on here talking to one of his others, Again! The poor things really need help. Dave R and TaxCheat need to let the other five out sometime.

Midori

September 10th, 2009
7:45 pm

where’s Pogo?

ACORN fires 2 after hidden-camera footage aired

8 mins ago

BALTIMORE – The nonprofit housing group ACORN has fired two employees at its Baltimore office who were seen on hidden-camera video giving advice to a man posing as a pimp and a woman pretending to be a prostitute.

Fox News Channel broadcast excerpts from the video Thursday. Those excerpts showed a man and woman asking about buying a house and how to account on tax forms for the woman’s income. An ACORN employee advises the woman to list her occupation as “performance artist.”

Maryland ACORN board member Margaret Williams says in a statement the employees “did not meet ACORN’s standards of professionalism.”

The statement also says the video was an attempt to smear ACORN and that undercover teams attempted similar stunts at three other ACORN offices.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_re_us/us_acor…

Finn McCool

September 10th, 2009
7:46 pm

We need to get the profit motive out of health care. Sure you should be able to make a good living within the industry but you shouldn’t have the services available determined by the profit behind that service.

If you want to sell a drug that stops heartburn but also causes orifice leakage, that’s fine – just don’t expect for it to be covered by national health care. Those “trendy” drugs can be paid for out of people’s own pockets.

jt

September 10th, 2009
7:48 pm

We’ll all get our bill.

ON APRIL 15.

Public Option Now.

September 10th, 2009
7:50 pm

And then she dies of metastatic breast cancer while bankrupt.

If I get my Christmas, Hanukah, and Kwanza cards early will I have enough to send to all my insurance company friends on the Death Squads who wrote Max Baucus’ bill and were so dumb they left their margin notes in the MSFT Word document?

Simply put, no public optioin would mean not a scintilla of any of the 4 bills and one crap bill from Senate Finance written by your friendly undertaker the insurance companies would have any price controls on them whatsoever and 14 million people per day in the US will continue to be dropped when they get significant illnesses like breast cancer.

Public Option Now.

September 10th, 2009
7:52 pm

If you have your money tucked away in a UBS Swiss bank account you will not get a bill from IRS–your money won’t be touched.

Congrats to Beverly Martin who was reported out of SJC with a voice vote this afternoon for Ca 11 and Judge Denny Chin who will be the only active Asian American judge in the US when he is confirmed soon for Sonya Sotomayor’s seat on the 2nd Circuit. His parents were a garment worker and a cook in a Chinese Restaurant.

Dave R.

September 10th, 2009
7:53 pm

Except that when I hear his plans, and that of the House Democrats, Mrs. G., I see and hear throwing out a perfectly good system. I look at the unintended consequences of the actions of government, while you and folks like Doggone just accept what they say as Gospel.

So Mrs. G., are you going to call your U.S. Representative and drop a dime to Hope & Change with the details of our deal? I’ve done my bit for bi-partisanship with my calls.

And Public Option, aka Chad Harris, I’d say that first, she’d have a pretty good case to appeal the canceling of her coverage, and next, I’d say that MY plan as proposed would immediately cover her if her appeal failed with her insurer or in the courts.

Dave R.

September 10th, 2009
7:59 pm

Let’s see, Chadly – 14 million people per day dropped from coverage, 310 million people in the United States (give or take), would mean that NO ONE would be covered by insurance companies in just 22 DAYS!

Now, since there are clearly well over 200 million people currently covered by private health insurance, and 83% or better of those are happy with their coverage, I’m officially calling BS on your phony numbers.

Public Option Now.

September 10th, 2009
8:03 pm

If you want to sell a drug that stops heartburn but also causes orifice leakage, that’s fine

I’m not sure what this means exactly–drugs for heartburn that cause “orifice leakage”–

If only things were that bright line easy Finn. Drugs get on the market by clearing hurdles called NDAs after considerably wide multicentered trials are done. The trials have 4 stages called NDAs, the first being animal research and very small numbers of controled hospital studies and then at each stage the population widens out and in the last it’s tested by docs in offices and clinics.

So drugs are pretty extensively tested before they get to market, but as has happened with afew of the ANSAIDS post market like Bextra and when more people take them, they might have a significant side effect in some people like coronary ischemia dispite the fact they have strong benefits for most people.

Then the class action suits story collected by the lawyers from their Gulf Streams.

So all drugs have side effects, and benefits, and that doesn’t make any of them “trendy.”

Maybe by “trendy” you mean the PDE-5 Inhibitors that are all over the tube showing the guy leading the girl into a room and closing the door.

Public Option Now.

September 10th, 2009
8:12 pm

I wonder if Michael Steele enhanced his recruitment of black America for the Joe Wilson Palin or you fill in the whackjob ticket in 2012 when the Son of Confederate Veterans became the first person to heckle a President duing a speech to both houses of Congress who happens to be the first black President because that’s what’s all over black talk radio today.