News flash: GOP condemns ‘extremist views, coarse rhetoric’
So Van Jones, Obama’s newly named energy efficiency adviser, had publicly referred to Republicans with an epithet that you creative spellers out there will no doubt find a way to get past our moderation software. That story made me cringe a bit and made Jones a target, but since it occurred before he had taken office, it didn’t seem to carry much longterm significance. It wasn’t that big a deal in a world in which a recent vice president directed an even uglier epithet at a U.S. senator and seemed proud of the fact afterward.
But the fact that Jones had also signed a petition suggesting that President Bush had known beforehand about the attacks of Sept. 11 and allowed them to happen? That’s a little different. Jones now explains that he hadn’t really paid attention to the petition when he signed it back in 2004, but still. It probably does disqualify him from high public office. Acts have consequences.
On the other hand, some of the Republican complaints about Jones are downright laughable given everything else going on in politics these days. Rep. Mike Pence, for example, complained that Jones’ “extremist views and coarse rhetoric have no place in this administration or the public debate.”
Really? Well, if we’re going to eliminate extremist views and coarse rhetoric, those House GOP caucus meetings are going to become so quiet you could hear a pin drop.
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Rightwing Troll
September 5th, 2009
8:03 am
First!!!! WooHoo!!!
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Rightwing Troll
September 5th, 2009
8:08 am
Wingnuts are a nutty bunch… they freak out about the PRESIDENT wanting to address the failing american schoolkids, and wanting to exhort them to do better and challenge themselves… thier BS excuse is that this is something that they should be talking to thier children about, not the PRESIDENT… yet they spend millions and millions of dollars to pursue “creationism” and prayer in public schools… Shouldn’t religion ALSO be something kids learn about at home??? I mean if the PRESIDENT can’t talk to the kids about how and why to be good students, why should any teacher out there be able to talk to my kids about how god made the planet in 7 days???
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Carl Engelbert
September 5th, 2009
8:13 am
Van Jones’s statement is one of hate. It cannot even be considered ignorant. Additionally, he states he did not even pay much attention to what he signed his name. Good solid mature thinking and acting. Now he wants to be an advisor! Obviously he is well qualified to be an Obama team player. NOMOBOBS!
Vinny
September 5th, 2009
8:14 am
Jones is a San Francisco extremist who admits to having been “radicalized in jail.” Phil Kerpen of Americans for Prosperity draws the clear parallel between Jones’ communist and environmentalist advocacy:
“I think it’s pretty instructive what his past is… it’s the same sort of philosophy, the idea that government ought to be reordering society in accordance with some utopian vision that failed with communism and socialism, and will fail with this green jobs idea.”
Jones views environmental activism as a means to advance the ultra-left’s Orwellian notion of “justice.” He has referred to himself not only as a “communist,” but as a “rowdy black nationalist.”
Carl Engelbert
September 5th, 2009
8:14 am
Enter your comments here
Edward
September 5th, 2009
8:19 am
Just look at the “extremist views and course rhetoric” coming from the Republican camp these days. You want evidence? Just look at the ridiculous statements about the school speech, the blatant lies about the health-care reform. The GOP’s only weapon is fear and they will foment that fear with every tool they can muster, including outright lies and deception.
Vinny
September 5th, 2009
8:20 am
Here are just a few of Van’s “qualifications” -
-Co-founded a socialist collective, Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM, in 1994, which held study groups on the theories of Marx and Lenin and dreamed of a multiracial socialist utopia. The group protested police brutality.
-Co-founded the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in 1996 and Color of Change in 2005, which includes Bay Area Police Watch, a group devoted to “protect(ing) the community from police misconduct.” (It’s the police that are the problem, not the crooks according to Jones)
-Was arrested in San Francisco in 1992 after a protest march that followed the acquittal of police officers in the Rodney King beating. Jones was working with the Lawyer’s Committee for Civil Rights in San Francisco.
-Was arrested in the 1999 Seattle protests against the World Trade Organization
Joe Matarotz
September 5th, 2009
8:25 am
If extremist views and coarse rhetoric were eliminated from Washington, DC, there would be nobody left.
@@
September 5th, 2009
8:40 am
Coarse language isn’t the problem, jay. Heck! Dick Cheney’s been known to use coarse language.
The problem with Jones is his past associations with extremist organizations.
Jones is Obama’s problem. It was, after all, Obama that chose him — knowing full-well who and what he was, and most likely still is.
Another problem is Obama thinks Czars (communist) are essential to his administration.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
September 5th, 2009
8:43 am
Van Jones: Only ‘Suburban White Kids’ Shoot Up Schools
Trash like this is best left in the cesspool from whence it came but if bookman so chooses to defend it….
Eddy
September 5th, 2009
8:45 am
C’mon Jay! Even Stevie Wonder can see that Van Jones has no place in the Obama Administration except for the fact that he is black!! Aren’t there any blacks left that could easily fill such a critical (sarcasm on) job….the green Czar. Obama chooses those whose views most closely align with his;ie, Jones. So your faux sarcasm about Repubs is a reflection upon you not the Repubs. Oh yes, haven’t read your blog calling for Rangel’s resignation. I’m sure it is just an oversight.
AmVet
September 5th, 2009
8:47 am
An extremist? But what exactly does that mean these days? That includes seemingly everyone.
And is that necessarily a bad thing?
I contend that with reasonable moderation it is not.
Extremists have created the crucible for innumerable dramatic improvements in this nation.
Notwithstanding some egregious verbal gaffe, the man speaks to the truth about environmental racism.
This president is the antithesis to a threatening black man, and is in most ways in my opinion, just a line from a famous Who song, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.
But I am glad he is actually employing one. With the caveat that if this guy really is a conspiratorial loon, that is a problem.
But as the country realizes, trusting any ecological matters to the anti-environmental extremists in the corporate owned GOP is simply not tolerable in this day and age.
We’ve just endured eight years of the gleeful enabling of these enviro-rapers and a science free White House.
No more…
Normal
September 5th, 2009
8:57 am
Come on Guys and Gals…It’s Labor Day Week End, for Gawdssake. We should be thinking about grilling, being with the kids and grandkids, maybe going somewhere cool. We are going to Chattanooga for the day. Let the world take care of itself this weekend and Tuesday we can roll up our sleeves and start swatting at each other again…relax, enjoy…
TaxPayer
September 5th, 2009
8:59 am
Well. When I listen to the reasoned and calm voice of this guy, I can understand why the Republicans would want to quash the extremist views and coarse rhetoric. It’s just so much easier to exchange facts and opinions when people are calm and not toting guns and such. Maybe it’ll be contagious. I especially liked that bit about Minnesota getting over 90 cents of every dollar going to patients versus 70 to 80 cents return in other states. And, I see he also brought up that example of McAllen, Texas. Good one.
Kayaker 71
September 5th, 2009
9:05 am
If Jones was a Republican, appointed by the evil Bush, all of these liberal opinions would be against him and his boss. The inexperience of Bozo and his minions is very evident in his failure to vet this jerk prior to appointing him to fill a position that would open the door to spending vast sums of taxpayer dollars with little to no supervision. An avowed Communist with a jail record and an extremist of the worst sort. No wonder the American electorate doesn’t trust Bozo and his crowd of clowns to make decisions for us. Again, if Jones was a Republican, you would be yelling your head off about the same things. Jones is just a bad choice and it’s just one more thing that has driven the Independent side of the electorate (the segment that wins elections) to a 66% disapproval rating of Bozo and his plans for America. We’ll see about who has gone down the drain in the 2010 elections. Reid is behind his Republican opponent by a factor of 48 to 38%. And this is just the beginning. Worried libs…. just a little bit?
jconservative
September 5th, 2009
9:16 am
AJC Story – “Allowing people to check a box on their federal tax returns asking that any refund be sent as a savings bond. More than 100 million U.S.households receive refund checks each year…”
A lot of retail businesses will object to this – income tax refund time is a major season for a lot of retail businesses.
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
9:17 am
Rightwing Troll
September 5th, 2009
8:08 am
Clinton was the chief law enforcer to the GOP. Does that make Obama the top educator? Yesh!
Normal
September 5th, 2009
9:18 am
Hitting the road now…thought I’d continue last night one more song…This old hippie says, Love on each other, people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg4MaZ0-p-E&feature=related
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
9:21 am
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator
You Whine 
September 5th, 2009
8:43 am
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Jay say he needed to go?
“It probably does disqualify him from high public office. Acts have consequences.”
Michael H. Smith
September 5th, 2009
9:21 am
The Marxists, Socialists and Communists Obumer has choosen as his Czars – a.k.a. advisers – are being maliciously targeted and attacked in a Representative Republic by a bunch of stinking liberty loving Capitalists who refuse to be transformed – changed – into the image of the People’s Republic of Obamerica – a.k.a. the U.S.S.A. … or is that the U.S.S.O?
Who would have thunk it, Comrade Bookman?
BTW, socialists, thanks for the holiday and in celebration of it I shall being manually laboring this labor day.
Oops… almost forgot… the socialist in Obamerica will have to correct the month and date of celebration for Labor Day to May 1st. Perhaps that is what has Comrade Cynthia all worked-up into such a sentimental tizzy?
Yankee
September 5th, 2009
9:23 am
As for the President address to school age kids; those of you parent who are withdrawing your kids and using your children as pawn for your political hang-ups I say SHAME ON YOU !
Normal
September 5th, 2009
9:25 am
Geez, y’all…well if you really have to try to change the world…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUvyJ1ALWWw&feature=related
Bye
Yankee
September 5th, 2009
9:26 am
I don’t think that the Republi-CANTS can sink any lower.. This party is now a regional party of HATEFUL, TEA-BAGGERS, BIRTHERS AND SOUTHERN RACISTS.
anon
September 5th, 2009
9:32 am
“Oooh. Van Jones, alright! So, Van Jones. We were so delighted to be able to recruit him into the White House. We were watching him, uh, really, he’s not that old, for as long as he’s been active out in Oakland. And all the creative ideas he has. And so now, we have captured that. And we have all that energy in the White House.”
http://blip.tv/play/hJNRgZzkVgI%2Em4v
AmVet
September 5th, 2009
9:35 am
Not my genre, but that WJ was nice. Who doesn’t dig a little pedal steel, fiddle and banjo now and then?
You’re good ‘un Normal, have a blast in Chattanooga – a fun town.
I’m off to a mammoth party in oHIo (high in the middle and round on both ends) to reconnect with hundreds of friends from around the globe for an epic weekend.
For RW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AIszddHZEs
and their magnum opus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGbgqTUm1lw&feature=related
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
9:35 am
TaxPayer
September 5th, 2009
8:59 am
Great contribution, thanks. Maybe Obama had better let him do the talking.
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
9:37 am
Kayaker 71
September 5th, 2009
9:05 am
If frogs had wings….
Kayaker 71
September 5th, 2009
9:39 am
It is increasingly evident throughout the American political spectrum that an increasing number of the electorate does not trust Bozo and those who surround him. If most American voters trusted him, health care would not be an issue and would have already passed. Each time he brings up a solution to a problem, it involves spending more money…. more money than any president has spent in our collective memories. And we are supposed to like this? We are not supposed to protest this madness?
It is also interesting how true narcissists act when they discover that a large segment of the population does not like them and is critical of their decisions. As each bad decision is made, the protests get louder and louder. Interpret this as “wingnut” rhetoric all you want…. America is waking up and none too soon.
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
9:40 am
Good point, that’s probably why it hasn’t been done before. I suggested it here recently and to the WH. We need to start financing our own debt so the interest payments stay here, and China doesn’t have to.
Kayaker 71
September 5th, 2009
9:41 am
Gelding,
They do. And we will see tonight how Auburn’s new coach will handle his football season. Sort of wish they had kept Tubbs.
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
9:43 am
Michael H. Smith
September 5th, 2009
9:21 am
Will you be building a bomb shelter?
TaxPayer
September 5th, 2009
9:48 am
BOISE, Idaho — A federal appeals court delivered a stinging rebuke Friday to the Bush administration’s post-Sept. 11 detention policies, ruling that former Attorney General John Ashcroft can be held liable for people who were wrongfully detained as material witnesses after 9/11.
Ouch! That’s just so, what’s the word I’m looking for, extremist? No, that’s not it. Course? No, no, not that. Justified! Why, yes! That will do. I wonder where Dick and George are when their underlings need them the most. Don’t they care about protecting the little guy that was just following orders. Their orders.
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
9:52 am
Kayaker 71
September 5th, 2009
9:39 am
Half the country doesn’t even know health care reform is on the table. He’ll get this right or it won’t pass. Be patient. If not for the previous 8 disastrous years he’d still be in the senate.
josef nix
September 5th, 2009
9:52 am
YANKEE–and “Southern racists…” ain’t got no Yankee ones? You was supposed to have left your sheet on the bed ’stead of puttin’ it on in sanctimonious robe…
TnGelding–left a poorly worded comment for you downstairs on your a.m. post…
NORMAL–”…pardon me, boys, is that the Chattanooga choo-choo…?” Have a ball. Spending some time this weekend doing some Indian things with the grandbabies…
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
9:57 am
Well, there are extremists on both sides that need to be relegated to the smoked filled back rooms, not the inter-workings of the WH. This guy is probably competent and has probably moderated but has attracted too much attention and needs to resign for the good of the administration and the country.
getalife
September 5th, 2009
9:59 am
Czars are not American.
“You hear it more and more, sometimes spoken in code, sometimes spelled out as clearly as a neon sign. We have reached the tipping point. The enemy has been identified. It’s not left versus right it’s democracy versus greed. This realization sits there like an unexploded bomb. We stare at it, waiting only for someone to light the match.”
Larry Flint and Ariana Huffington gets it.
“For now, remember: The corporations do not control our government; they are our government.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-flynt/does-anybody-really-know_b_276849.html
josef nix
September 5th, 2009
10:01 am
Jay makes his best point in pointing out how we creative spellers will be finding a way around the Moderator. Public discourse once had a moderator called “civility.” Polite manners, though, seems to have been banished to the privacy of our own homes, some quaint custom no longer acceptable in the marketplace of ideas…
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
10:02 am
josef nix
September 5th, 2009
9:52 am
Good morning. Ok, thanks. I found it looking for something else, but decided to use it instead.
Kamchak
September 5th, 2009
10:03 am
If Mr. Jones is a citizen of The United states of America, then he is entitled to express his opinion–no matter how unpopular. Ironic that those who have shouted “political correctness” for a decade and a half, are now employing those same tactics to excoriate him.
Kile Anderson
September 5th, 2009
10:04 am
Van Jones has admitted that he is a communist. Why do we need to say anything else? Not only is he a communist, he’s a racist. But I guess those are his two biggest qualifications from the viewpoint of the Obama administration.
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
10:05 am
getalife
September 5th, 2009
9:59 am
The drug czar should be the first to go! Talk about pouring money down a rat hole. I would feel differently about it if Obama had been the first to use that term.
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
10:07 am
Kamchak
September 5th, 2009
10:03 am
Yes, he can, but in doing so radically he is eliminating himself from sensitive public positions.
Kile Anderson
September 5th, 2009
10:07 am
Kamchak, nobody has said he doesn’t have a right to express his opinions. He absolutely has every right to do that. What we are saying is, his opinions prove that he is a communist and a racist who hates the USA. In short, he is the enemy of freedom and a very dangerous man. I’m just glad that he was stupid enough to express his true feelings. Obama on the other hand, hangs out with racists and communists and America haters, but he doesn’t speak about it in public. He expects us all to believe that he can sleep every night in a room full of flea infested mongrels and not have one flea on himself. It simply defies reason.
josef nix
September 5th, 2009
10:09 am
K’chak is right. This is America. Jones has every right to be a “communist and a racist.” As Mama would say, “Equality. Ain’t it grand?”
getalife
September 5th, 2009
10:10 am
TnGelding,
Czars are separate from established government and do not need Congressional approval or oversight.
It’s not American.
Kamchak
September 5th, 2009
10:13 am
TnGelding
Agreed. Using the literal definition of “political correctness” Mr. Jones effectively ended his plitical career–but using the pop-culture definition of “political correctness,” Mr Jones is being silenced by a group of individuals who find his comments offensive.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
September 5th, 2009
10:24 am
TN- And so he did, I am out in the woods hanging the deer stand and clearing the shooting lanes, I plan on slaughtering every thing that ventures within range, I just glanced at the extreme partisan headline earlier.
See how that works, when you want your real message to get out, put it in the headline.
@@
September 5th, 2009
10:25 am
Just checked out the music thread downstairs to find Dylan was jay’s selection. Kudos to jay for finally acknowledging that Bobby’s Christmas album is in the interest of charity — something that liberals SHOULD support but research has found they don’t.
It’s amazing to me that I’m the only conservative who appreciates Bobby. Conservatives have no problem with Johnny Cash’s voice…Willie Nelson’s voice — just Bobby’s.
jay comes in to tell us that he has to ply his bride with liquor?!!? Like I didn’t know that already…
thanks for sharing anyway.
josef nix
September 5th, 2009
10:36 am
@@
“Candy is dandy,
but liquor is quicker”
josef nix
September 5th, 2009
10:45 am
Hey, folks…could use y’all’s input here if you’re interested in educating our little ones. Our first graders are studying folk heroes and our teachers decided it would be a good thing to use real people who have become folk heroes with an emphasis on the world at large and not just the USA. Any suggestions?
@@
September 5th, 2009
10:45 am
Not you too, josef!!! Why not let nature takes its progressive course?
(ISH)
Here’s another Obama appointee that needs to go.
Madoff Scam Touched Family of SEC Official Whose Unit Got Tip
“It is a failure that we continue to regret, and one that has led us to reform in many ways how we regulate markets and protect investors,” SEC Chairman Mary Schapiro said in a statement. “In the coming weeks we will continue to closely review the full report and learn every lesson we can.”
Sure they will…
josef nix
September 5th, 2009
11:07 am
The Roma caravan has arrived and I’m being kidnapped…back at y’all later…
RW-(the original)
September 5th, 2009
11:10 am
I’ve read a lot of things about Jones and his suspicious associations, organizations, and endorsements that all disqualify him for a top position in our government and perhaps if Obama wasn’t circumventing the Congress to usurp and amass power in the Executive Branch Jones could never make it past a confirmation hearing, but what I haven’t heard is that he’s disqualified for calling Republicans a name. Makes you wonder why that’s the lead in Jay B’s story. I guess it’s just to minimize the issue and allow him to bring Cheney in for a little moral equivalence.
One thing Jay is smart to do, albeit in a truly partisan fashion, is to have Jones go away for signing a document/petition and even allowing him the excuse that he didn’t really read it because if America gets a chance to learn all about Jones then they can only come to the conclusion that either Obama is a clueless rube unfit for the Presidency or a danger to our freedom and unfit for the Presidency.
I lean to the latter but I’m hoping for the former. It sure would help if we had a few honest journalists in this country.
RW-(the original)
September 5th, 2009
11:16 am
josef @ 10:45,
D.B. Cooper
Cherokee
September 5th, 2009
11:42 am
uhh, @@, the czars weren’t communist… they were overthrown by the communists.
And did you complain about Bush’s appointment of czars for every little thing?
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
12:05 pm
I’ve recommended they be eliminated. Surely among all the bureaucrats he can find someone to assume their positions. I understand how he was trying to put more emphasis on perceived problem areas, however. So I don’t see anything inherently evil. There are many policy advisors though that most of us aren’t aware of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Policy_Board
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Science_Board
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
12:06 pm
getalife
September 5th, 2009
10:10 am
The 12:05 was in response to you.
RW-(the original)
September 5th, 2009
12:07 pm
Remember when Van Jones apologized for his signature in the 2004 Truther document and he said he hadn’t clearly read it, but it didn’t reflect his views Now or ever?
Who created, trained and funded the Al Qaeda Network? What is the relationship between Bin Laden, his family and the Bush family and the Carlyle Group? Why were no fighter planes dispatched to intercept the four hijacked planes on September 11h , in violation of standard procedures? Who actually was in control of the “hijacked planes”?
January 8, 2002 was when the march to demand those and other answers took place.
Scroll down to the organizing committee and you find….
Van Jones, national executive director, Ella Baker Center for Human Rights
TnGelding
September 5th, 2009
12:09 pm
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator
You Whine 
September 5th, 2009
10:24 am
Please don’t shoot Bambi! Get home so you can read the articles in depth before commenting, like I do. NOT!
Be careful and don’t shoot yourself or one of your hunting “buddies.”
RW-(the original)
September 5th, 2009
12:15 pm
This is why Obama will soon be tossing Van under the van.
He’s telegraphing the plays
@@
September 5th, 2009
12:26 pm
Cherokee:
You need to review your history. Czarist rule was merely communism in its more “progressive” state:
Communism first took hold in Russia, a nation with a centuries-old reputation for despotism, servility, and brutality. The Marquis de Custine, whose Letters from Russia (1839) led many to dub him “the de Tocqueville of Russia” observed that “Government in Russia is military discipline in the place of civil order, a state of siege which has become the normal state of society.” This authoritarian tradition strongly influenced the Russian Marxists, and through them much of the world socialist movement. Some of the important features of czarism that Communism drew upon and intensified included:
I’m not denying that Bush had his own Czars. Czars…no matter who appoints them, are nothing more than a duplication of government’s ineptitude. We shouldn’t have to pay double for that.
Only difference between Obama’s Czars and Bush’s Czars is that many of Obama’s appointees are/were members of radical revolutionary groups? I challenge you to find a former communist or eugenicist among Bush’s.
Prepare to spend your life in servitude to Obama’s RADICAL, Czarist-led government, Cherokee.
booger
September 5th, 2009
12:34 pm
The real issue here is not Jones, who will no doubt be sacrafaced, but the fact that every page that is turned reveals another troubling relationship. One associate who is an avowed communist is not a killer. In fact in some far left circles I’m sure it’s quite fashionable. However page after page of questionalble relationships reveals a trend and an incite into our president’s motivations.
Welcome to the Fox News Religion
September 5th, 2009
12:53 pm
Princess Maulkin says He Who Shall Not Be Named is coming for your children. Moblize hysteria now! Please come to Dragon Con tomorrow where Princess Maulkin will be signing autographs and selling her new FoxNews Anti-Reason Tasers at a special rate for true believers! ALL HAIL PRINCESS MAULKIN! We would die for you, most wise and beautiful one!
getalife
September 5th, 2009
1:10 pm
The libs fought w’s corporate government and now the con’s are fighting Obama’s corporate government.
One day, libs and cons will stop listening to corporate media and unite to fight corporate government.
N.J.
September 5th, 2009
1:12 pm
Of course the insane who are now complaining about their children having to listen to a speech by Obama didnt complain anything near as much as when the same sort of speech was forced on children while George Bush was president, or when Ronald Reagan was president.
Time to shut up and act like adults and take the same medicine that you forced on the children of people who did not buy into your conservative clap trap.
And that is always the way it is with conservatives. Forcing their propaganda onto the children of others is just fine, but when the shoe is on the other foot…
As far as who created Al Qaeda, its the same people who created Fidel Castro. American policy makers who do anything to further the international interests of foreign companies to further their economic interests at the expense of hundreds of millions of lives of non Americans.
Jack Kennedy became very aware of this towards the end of his presidency:
“I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country’s policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear.”
– U.S. President John F. Kennedy, interview with Jean Daniel, October 24 1963
Americans are unaware that their lifestyle is primarily based taking everything we need to create from other countries, who could improve their own lifestyles if we didnt take it for our own.
We consume more than one third of the all of the resources that the world is capable of producing. Along with Europe and Japan, the total come to over 80 percent. 16 percent of the worlds population sucking up 80 percent of the everything the world is capable of producing.
If the other 84 percent of the worlds population happen to get pissed off, its to be expected.
Dusty
September 5th, 2009
1:15 pm
booger@12:34
You got that right!!
Catbird
September 5th, 2009
1:46 pm
Jones is one MORE EXAMPLE of What the Democrat Party is
installing into the Black Community and into Their Church’s.
Remember the Polling of Democrats — WHERE 70% believe that Bush KNEW
of the 9-11 Attack — BEFORE it Happened.
mike
September 5th, 2009
1:54 pm
Of course Jay turns this into an attack on Republicans. I mean what else is this hypocrite going to do? Acknowlge that course rhetoric and extremist views actually do emanate from the left as often as do from the right?
That would require at least an ounce of intellectual honesty from Jay, so don’t count on. In Jay’s hypocritical world, all Republicans are extremists and all Democrats are moderate. What a joke.
Kamchak
September 5th, 2009
1:55 pm
Remember the Polling of Democrats — WHERE 70% believe that Bush
KNEW
of the 9- 11 Attack — BEFORE it Happened.
Care to back up that allegation?
somewhereinga
September 5th, 2009
2:03 pm
Perhaps Michael Smith and @@ should check their history books. Czars were not communists…duh……
Reform Will Happen
September 5th, 2009
2:06 pm
getalife
September 5th, 2009
9:59 am
TnGelding,
Czars are separate from established government and do not need Congressional approval or oversight.
It’s not American.
Well what the hell was it when Bush appointed a whole series of major recess appointments and got no Congressional approval even though it was required like Acting OLC chiefand torture memo author and target of an investigation Bradbury or John Bolton? Was it Bush the Chinese Emporor?
It’s not American when the Democrats appoint someone who doesn’t need confirmatino as a Presidential advisor, but it’s plenty American for Bush to use recess appointments for major positions that the law requires to be confirmed by congress.
And it’s unamerican for Obama to address school childern, but not when peepants Bush does it when the country has just been attacked or when his father did it as well.
Thanks as always Repubotards for explaining to us what is “American.”
Dusty
September 5th, 2009
2:09 pm
JOSEF, I haven’t done any homework in a long time so I thought this would be fun. (Call me first grader.)
I ran across this quote I thought you might like. “The ordinary man is involved in action. The hero acts. An immense difference.” Henry Miller “The Books in My Life” (1952)
I give you my list, some heroes and heroines, some just heroic. Not too many “Folk”. Just a mixed bag.
Leonidas, hero of Thermopylae
Boadicea, early Queen of the Brits
Rodney King, “Can’t we just get along?”
Rosa Parks . no back of the bus!
Nelson Mandela
Men of the Titanic
The Plumber (who spoke with Obama about his problems)
Nathan Hale
Sitting Bull/Chief Red Horse
Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce
Che Chevera hero(?) of Cuba
Florence Nightingale
Mother Teresa
“Yellow fever doctor,”died of the fever doing research on it
Arland D. Williams, Jr., of plane crash in icy Potomoc. He passed the life line to others in the frozen river.. Lost his life doing so..
(Roger Rosenblatt wrote a great piece about this entitled “The Man in the Water”. I wrote Rosenblatt a note saying his words meant much to me.. In return, he wrote a few kind words of thanks. Nice man.)
mike
September 5th, 2009
2:10 pm
Kamchak –
Well the numbers are a bit off, but 35% of Dems thought that he knew and 26% were not sure for some reason.
The net is 61% of Democrats believe or think it is possible that Bush knew about 9/11 in advance.
“Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.”
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance
Contrast this to the 28% of Republicans who believe that Obama was born out of country and 30% who do not know. This makes a total of 58% of Republicans who believe or do not know if Obama was born out of the country.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/poll-28-of-republican-base-are-birthers.php
A higher percentage of Democrats are “truthers” than Republicans are “birthers”, but the numbers are moderately close.
Which do you think is a nuttier thing to believe?
Reform Will Happen
September 5th, 2009
2:10 pm
I have not seen the poll produced as usual by the Reputzbos that they made up that 70% of Democarts thought Bush plotted 911. Bush’s stupidity allowed it to happen; he’s not bright enough to have pulled it off. DOJ had the hijackers on the pick up list at the airport, and a Bush whackjob at the CIA removed them and they barbecued and killed over 3000 Americans and hundreds of firefighters were injuted because the EMTs, choppers, police, and fire department couldn’t talk to each other and still can’t in NYC.
Dusty
September 5th, 2009
2:25 pm
Reform Will Happen, 2:10
Maybe you have forgotten. TERRORISTS attacked NYC on 9/11. If you must spread hate, please aim it at the terrorists and not Americans. Thank you.
Nothing is Free
September 5th, 2009
2:29 pm
NJ
**Of course the insane who are now complaining about their children having to listen to a speech by Obama didnt complain anything near as much as when the same sort of speech was forced on children while George Bush was president, or when Ronald Reagan was president.**
it’s a matter of credibility. The left would like for the country to take one issue at a time, like they did during the election. Don’t expect the rest of us to be so gullible. Perhaps we would be more willing to allow Obama to vomit his rhetoric toward our children if it weren’t for his repeated attempts at deceiving the public. Free universal healthcare is being accepted as fact by a few, pathetic, uniformed sheep. The rest of us know that we are being lied to.
Van Jones is just further proof that Obama is part of a very powerful anti-American movement. Rev. Wright? 20 years of exposing his family to the rantings of an anti-american mad man. Add to that his relationships with Aires. Add that to his support by so many far left, anti-American groups. And now throw Van Jones onto the ever-growing pile of garbage that the left is asking the rest of us to ignore.
Declaring war on the CIA, crippling it’s ability to protect the country while whining about Bush. Acting like a 3rd world banana republic, going after members of the past administration. If you fools want to live in a Banana Republic, Delta is ready when you are.
Nope. It’s not going to happen. We want our president to either start acting like he at least likes our country or get the hell out. Call us all the names you want. Believe CNN a network that openly lies even about it’s own ratings. Call concerned citizens organized thugs while the left is organizing thugs to try and intimidate older citizens. It’s not like you have gotten anything right about this man, so far. We have gotten everything right while you smugly call people with eyes and ears: insane.
We are not going away.
YOU, (the left) bought into the Bull. We didn’t. And Obama’s stellar ratings have dropped below 50%. (Bush’s were over 60% at this time in his administration) Clinton didn’t even fall this far this quickly.
I can’t wait until Nov. 4, 2010, if we can keep this fascist from declaring marshal law and complete control over the media before then.
Kamchak
September 5th, 2009
2:29 pm
mike
You gotta throw out that 26% unsure–otherwise I can say “The net is 65% of Democrats disbelieve or think it is impossible that Bush knew about 9/11 in advance.
Ergo—35% does not equal 70%
RW-(the original)
September 5th, 2009
2:38 pm
You gotta throw out that 26% unsure
Kamchak,
You might have to give some weighting to an answer of “unsure” but you can’t just throw it out without analyzing the likelihood of that being a true answer to the question. When the question is about whether the President of the United States knew thousands would slaughtered on 9/11 and let it happen you can be pretty certain most of those “unsures” are “yeses” without being willing to say it to someone.
Kamchak
September 5th, 2009
2:42 pm
If you fools can’t accept the current democratically elected President, Delta is ready when you are.
FYT
Kamchak
September 5th, 2009
2:49 pm
RW
No, because when it comes to “unsure” both yes and no are equivalent–so I can throw it out when the issue is about absolutes. The original post alleged that “70% of Democrats believe.” “Unsure” was not part of the equation.
RW-(the original)
September 5th, 2009
2:58 pm
Kamchak,
YOU can throw it out all you want but no qualified analyst would.
Reform Will Happen
September 5th, 2009
3:02 pm
Bush and Condi had the intercepts of the 911 attacks, and they had FBI flags that their CIA removed on the hijackers–simple fact. Bush responded to the attacks by wetting his pants, and remained frozen reading a book to school kids and then flew around in a plane running away for hours. Cheney’s orders were ignored (always appropriate).
Reform Will Happen
September 5th, 2009
3:03 pm
Bush failed to capture Bin Ladin and both Al Quaeda and the Tabliban became exponentially stronger during Bush’s 7 years after the attacks.
Reform Will Happen
September 5th, 2009
3:16 pm
Pence/Nine Finger Bill Rice 2012!
Kamchak
September 5th, 2009
3:16 pm
RW
Qualified analysts called it “unsure” and did not add it to the “believe” percentage.
Reform Will Happen
September 5th, 2009
3:20 pm
In , The Shadow Factory James Bamford’s important and disturbing new book about the NSA, we learn that as the general spoke, two of bin Laden’s men already had arrived on American soil and were taking flying lessons. We also learn that, contrary to the implication of Hayden’s testimony, the NSA was intercepting their communications. A few months earlier the huge agency, based at Fort Meade, Md., 27 miles outside of Washington, had begun surveillance of a bin Laden operations center in Sana’a, Yemen. This was not just another intercept: Bin Laden had declared war on the United States, his organization had bombed our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the NSA had good reason to suspect that he was plotting more attacks. As the 9/11 Commission later established, U.S. intelligence officials knew that al-Qaeda had held a planning meeting in Malaysia, found out the names of two recruits who had been present — Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi — and suspected that one and maybe both of them had flown to Los Angeles. Bamford reveals that the NSA had been eavesdropping for months on their calls to Yemen, yet the agency “never made the effort” to trace where the calls originated.
“At any time, had the FBI been notified, they could have found Hazmi in a matter of seconds. All it would have taken was to call nationwide directory assistance — they would have then discovered both his phone number and address, which were listed in the San Diego phone directory,” Bamford writes. “Similarly, if the NSA had traced any of the incoming calls to the [Yemen] ops center, they would have located two of the callers on California soil.”
By detailing the failures of the NSA and CIA, Bamford goes where the 9/11 Commission did not fully go. He convincingly makes the case that our intelligence problems had little to do with the limitations imposed on the NSA or other agencies; the NSA had all the legal authority it needed to monitor al-Qaeda’s communications and was actively doing so before the 9/11 attacks. (In the hypothetical case of Osama bin Laden crossing into New York, he notes, the relevant law allowed for emergency eavesdropping for up to two days, in which time the NSA could easily have obtained a warrant from a special court to continue the surveillance.) Yet deep-seated divisions and rivalries among U.S. intelligence agencies helped the hijackers go undetected. Bamford explains that Hayden and other top NSA officials wanted to keep the agency’s eavesdropping operations “as far away from U.S. territory as possible” for fear of being accused of illegally targeting American citizens, as happened in the 1970s. Rank-and-file NSA workers, meanwhile, resented CIA analysts for “treating them not as equals but as subordinates.” And the CIA, in turn, had an almost pathological mistrust of the FBI.
In one riveting passage, Bamford describes how in January 2000 a CIA official refused to forward to the FBI an urgent report on al-Mihdhar’s possible presence in the United States. When a low-ranking intelligence official insisted, “You’ve got to tell the bureau about this,” a higher-up CIA officer “put her hand on her hip and said, ‘Look, the next attack is going to happen in Southeast Asia — It’s not the FBI’s jurisdiction. When we want the FBI to know about it, we’ll let them know.”
“At any time, had the FBI been notified, they could have found
RW-(the original)
September 5th, 2009
3:21 pm
Kamchak,
Not exactly. It was the pollster that listed the unsure number and it’s up to an analyst to look at those numbers and find whatever meaning is in the numbers. Go read DB’s favorite site and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Reform Will Happen
September 5th, 2009
3:21 pm
In The Shadow Factory, James Bamford’s important and disturbing new book about the NSA, we learn that as the general spoke, two of bin Laden’s men already had arrived on American soil and were taking flying lessons. We also learn that, contrary to the implication of Hayden’s testimony, the NSA was intercepting their communications. A few months earlier the huge agency, based at Fort Meade, Md., 27 miles outside of Washington, had begun surveillance of a bin Laden operations center in Sana’a, Yemen. This was not just another intercept: Bin Laden had declared war on the United States, his organization had bombed our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the NSA had good reason to suspect that he was plotting more attacks. As the 9/11 Commission later established, U.S. intelligence officials knew that al-Qaeda had held a planning meeting in Malaysia, found out the names of two recruits who had been present — Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi — and suspected that one and maybe both of them had flown to Los Angeles. Bamford reveals that the NSA had been eavesdropping for months on their calls to Yemen, yet the agency “never made the effort” to trace where the calls originated.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 5th, 2009
3:22 pm
TN- I hereby retract my earlier admission that bookman is calling for this turd blossom to step down, after reading the column in it’s entirety, I noted that no mention was made of this happy ass having an arrest record, for rioting, civil disobedience and the like.
By focusing his “outrage” on the Troofer subject, and knowing that the majority of democrats are psychotics themselves and do not have any big issues with moonbat conspiracy theories, bookman has made an attempt to minimize the real reasons that this ring meat should not be representing the United States in any fashion.
And thus, bookman defends him.
See, I was right the first time.
Reform Will Happen
September 5th, 2009
3:22 pm
“At any time, had the FBI been notified, they could have found Hazmi in a matter of seconds. All it would have taken was to call nationwide directory assistance — they would have then discovered both his phone number and address, which were listed in the San Diego phone directory,” Bamford writes. “Similarly, if the NSA had traced any of the incoming calls to the [Yemen] ops center, they would have located two of the callers on California soil.”
By detailing the failures of the NSA and CIA, Bamford goes where the 9/11 Commission did not fully go. He convincingly makes the case that our intelligence problems had little to do with the limitations imposed on the NSA or other agencies; the NSA had all the legal authority it needed to monitor al-Qaeda’s communications and was actively doing so before the 9/11 attacks. (In the hypothetical case of Osama bin Laden crossing into New York, he notes, the relevant law allowed for emergency eavesdropping for up to two days, in which time the NSA could easily have obtained a warrant from a special court to continue the surveillance.) Yet deep-seated divisions and rivalries among U.S. intelligence agencies helped the hijackers go undetected. Bamford explains that Hayden and other top NSA officials wanted to keep the agency’s eavesdropping operations “as far away from U.S. territory as possible” for fear of being accused of illegally targeting American citizens, as happened in the 1970s. Rank-and-file NSA workers, meanwhile, resented CIA analysts for “treating them not as equals but as subordinates.” And the CIA, in turn, had an almost pathological mistrust of the FBI.
Reform Will Happen
September 5th, 2009
3:23 pm
In one riveting passage, Bamford describes how in January 2000 a CIA official refused to forward to the FBI an urgent report on al-Mihdhar’s possible presence in the United States. When a low-ranking intelligence official insisted, “You’ve got to tell the bureau about this,” a higher-up CIA officer “put her hand on her hip and said, ‘Look, the next attack is going to happen in Southeast Asia — It’s not the FBI’s jurisdiction. When we want the FBI to know about it, we’ll let them know.”
Whoops–slight miscalculation by the CIA moron.
Welcome to the Fox News Religion
September 5th, 2009
3:23 pm
If someone doesn’t agree with the positions espoused by the Deacons at Fox News, it is “proof” that they are part of an “Anti-American” movement. Kind of like a bowel movement, only worse. Only Prince Hannity’s turds do not smell. In all you do, try to be as Prince Hannity’s turds.
WE TELL IT, YOU SMELL IT!
Reform Will Happen
September 5th, 2009
3:24 pm
The Bush administration’s unparalleled and unprecedented incompetence allowed the 911 deaths.
Pogo
September 5th, 2009
3:24 pm
Jay, why don’t you go crawl into the swamp and take C. Tucker with you because both of you are 60’s fossils. The 60’s liberal/radical idealogy that you two (and Obama) embrace is history and with the performance of Obama so far, I would say the death nail has been driven. “The Death Of Liberalism”, it’s music to the ears isn’t it?
Can you really sit and defend Jones who is a self-proclaimed communist and one who blames “whites” for dumping pollution in the black neighborhoods. Yea, that pollution doesn’t go anywhere but just in the black neighborhoods and only white people make pollution, not blacks. What a bunch of nutjobs. The bitterness that is steaming from you libs is derived from the fact that you placed Obama upon the highest of high pedestals during the election and now, 7 months into his term, he is crashing and burning and looking more and more amateurish. That has to make you really bitter.
Nothing is Free
September 5th, 2009
3:25 pm
Reform in a tin foil hat
**Bush and Condi had the intercepts of the 911 attacks, and they had FBI flags that their CIA removed on the hijackers–simple fact.**
Any hope of any sort of credible source that might have evidence of that “fact”?
Shuld I give you a multiple choice of excuses why you can’t produce the?
A. Right here it is on the Huffington Post
B. It came to me in a dream
C. I was told this by a guy that knew a guy that knows the facts.
D. Here is a link to a blog where it is talked about.
Kamchak
**If you fools can’t accept the current democratically elected President, Delta is ready when you are.**
Democratically installed president by an extremely biased media that had no problem wetting their pants every time the anointed one made an appearance. Sorry, that doesn’t even approach a true democracy.
Personally, as long as we survive until Nov. 4, 2010, he is welcome to occupy the White House until 2012. Considering the damage he is doing to the credibility of the Democratic party, I couldn’t imagine anything better.
Nothing is Free
September 5th, 2009
3:30 pm
Welcome to the Fox News Excuse
**If someone doesn’t agree with the positions espoused by the Deacons at Fox News, it is “proof” that they are part of an “Anti-American” movement. Kind of like a bowel movement, only worse. Only Prince Hannity’s turds do not smell. In all you do, try to be as Prince Hannity’s turds**
I love it. Perhaps you should start disproving the things they have said about Aires, Wright, and now this latest piece of trash. I know. You can’t really do that, now can you? So I guess this is all you got.
Knock yourself out. There’s a whole lot of other sheep on here that will cheer you on.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 5th, 2009
3:35 pm
On Friday, Aug. 28, the principal of Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington, Utah — in the name of “education” — showed her young charges the “Obama Pledge” video released at the time of the inauguration, in which Ashton Kutcher and various other big-time celebrities, two or three of whom you might even recognize, “pledge to be a servant to our president and to all mankind because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek.”
And being the class act that I am, I have included said video so that you airhead liberals can’t chant along with the Big Airheads-
http://www1.ibdcd.com/image/ISSa0908_ph090904_310.jpg
You too can be a Big Airhead.
Angry Black Man
September 5th, 2009
3:36 pm
It’s the first weekend of college football, and you all are here having a pi$$ing contest about who’s president is the worst and who did what. Leave the drama alone for a day or two and enjoy some football. Bush did some good, and he had his faults. Obama hasn’t been in office enough to say whether or not he’s done good or bad. Give the guy some time, then make a judgement. Geez….
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 5th, 2009
3:38 pm
Another juicy bit of Mark Steyn’s column, which I inadvertently forgot to credit up yonder^^-
Any self-respecting schoolkid, enjoined by his principal to be a “servant” to the head of state, would reply, “Get lost, creep.” And, if they still taught history in American schools, he’d add, “Oh, and by the way, that question was settled in 1776.”
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 5th, 2009
3:40 pm
And another-
The president has made the mistake of believing his own publicity — or, at any rate, his own mainstream media coverage, which is pretty much the same thing.