Is the ‘Obama as fascist dictator’ meme acceptable in GOP?
So I see where the bull goose looney of Ga’s congressional delegation, Rep. Paul Broun of Athens, is at it once again, accusing President Obama of wanting to seize control of the country and impose a dictatorship.
“He has the three things that are necessary to establish an authoritarian government,” Broun said at a meeting of Morgan County Republicans. “And so we need to be ever-vigilant, because freedom is precious.” Those three things, according to Broun, are a national police force (the illusionary civilian military force), gun control and control over the press.
As the Athens Banner Herald reports:
“At a town hall meeting in Clarkesville last month, Broun called Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid a “socialistic elite” and agreed with a constituent who said they might use a flu pandemic to declare martial law.
“They’re trying to develop an environment where they can take over,” Broun said. “We’ve seen that historically.”
Now it’s easy to get into claims of tit for tat. Every party or movement has its extremists. Broun’s counterpart among the Democrats, for example, might have been Rep. Cynthia McKinney, with her suggestion that Bush knew about the attacks of Sept. 11 but allowed them to take place so his friends in the defense industry could benefit. Likewise, the liberal counterpart to the conservative “birthers” may have been the folks who claimed that the Diebold voting machines had been fixed and election results were illegitimate.
But here’s the thing. Within a few months of her accusations against Bush, McKinney was defeated in a Democratic primary in large part because the people she considered her base rejected her lunacy. The AJC editorial board may have played a small role as well, harshly criticizing McKinney for her extremism:
“Those remarks were irresponsible and grotesque at the time, and nothing learned since then has altered that conclusion. It’s one thing to suggest that a cop may have overlooked clues of a crime that was about to occur. It’s something else entirely to suggest — without any evidence — that the cop was paid off to look the other way on purpose.
When the cop in question is the president of the United States, and when the crime took the lives of more than 3,000 innocent people, the suggestion is reprehensible.”
I happen to have written that editorial, as well as pieces dismissing the Diebold conspiracy theory. But what political price, if any, will people such as Broun pay for their lunacy? Will the GOP mainstream try to separate itself from his rhetoric as the Democratic mainstream separated itself from McKinney? Where are the conservative voices within Georgia or elsewhere willing to say that they have very real and important differences with Obama, but that it’s wrong to accuse him of having ambitions of dictatorship?
John McCain, to his credit, made comments to that effect at a townhall and got booed as a result. If I’m missing other examples, I hope to be educated in the comments.
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I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 3rd, 2009
4:46 pm
Bull goose looney?
Isn’t that sort of like “fascist dictator” with a lot less murdered innocent women and children?
Just sayin…..
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
4:50 pm
“Now it’s easy to get into claims of tit for tat. Every party or movement has its extremists. Broun’s counterpart among the Democrats, for example, might have been Rep. Cynthia McKinney, with her suggestion that Bush knew about the attacks of Sept. 11 but allowed them to take place so his friends in the defense industry could benefit. Likewise, the liberal counterpart to the conservative “birthers” may have been the folks who claimed that the Diebold voting machines had been fixed and election results were illegitimate.”
“…might have been Cynthia McKinney…?”
“…may have been the folks…?”
What’s with the “may” and “might” they WERE (are), for the love of G-d!
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 3rd, 2009
4:50 pm
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BARACK OBAMA: We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
To do what?
Normal
September 3rd, 2009
4:52 pm
The government is full of rats, Burn it down and start all over
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 3rd, 2009
4:52 pm
“While Massachusetts residents were sleeping, our Legislature rushed through a bill- in response to the recent “Swine flu” outbreak.
This bill has been on the shelf but (the) state government felt this was the perfect time to slip this bill through.
What is the big deal about the bill- S18? It gives the Governor power to authorize the deployment and use of force to distribute supplies and materials.
It gives local authorities the permission to enter private residences for investigation and to quarantine individuals.
Basically during any “emergency” our state can and will declare martial law; you lose your Constitutional rights.
Gee, “looney.”
Normal
September 3rd, 2009
4:54 pm
Whiner…They’r coming to take you away, ha, ha..they’re coming to take you away, hee, hee, ha, ha…be afwaid, be vewry afwaid…
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 3rd, 2009
4:54 pm
“The U.S. military wants to establish regional teams of military personnel to assist civilian authorities in the event of a significant outbreak of the H1N1 virus this fall, according to Defense Department officials,” a proposal that is currently on the desk of Defense Secretary Robert Gates, according to a CNN report.
Gee, “bull goosey.”
mike
September 3rd, 2009
4:58 pm
I don’t know Jay. Will the mainstream Democratic establishment distance itself from Harry Reid’s labeling of opponents of the current health care reform bill as “evil mongers”?
Maybe you should spend more time talking about the rhetoric emanating from your own party. Folks on the left are far more likely to pay heed than conservatives are to the criticisms of a partisan liberal pundits. Of course, that would assume that you are genuinely interested in stemming such low conversation instead of just taking aim at those who disagree with your views.
Paul
September 3rd, 2009
4:58 pm
Will mainstream Republicans repudiate that sort of nonsense?
There aren’t many with the integrity of McCain, it would seem.
And just what is it about representatives from Georgia? Wackos from both sides, it would seem.
Hmmm. Are adults with reasoning skills like that what resulted from not having presidents talk to them when they were little?
Truth
September 3rd, 2009
4:58 pm
Although I doubt they would use the flu as an opening to martial law, I wouldn’t put it past them. That is the problem, Jay. Just like a few weeks ago when one of my employees was accused of something. He denied doing it, but the problem was that I could see him doing it. I believe that Obama, Pelosi, Ried, etc. are in this to gain power over Americans. Like this healthcare stuff… They know that if they can get even a little bit of it passed, then they are that much closer to the power they want. They want control over our lives. The more control they have, the less freedom we have. I love my freedom and don’t want it to be taken away. If you look at Obama’s “friends” and some of the statements made, then you have to see where I am coming from.
RealityKing
September 3rd, 2009
4:59 pm
No doubts about the progressively run state media.
And all those Obama zombies, willing to feed on protester, could clearly represent a national police force.
But gun control, well.., Obama still needs a couple of more Supreme Court nominees to get that one.
BravesFan79
September 3rd, 2009
5:01 pm
the NWO is very much alive! Just look at how the EU has destroyed Europe! Did you know tthe EU heads plan to import 100 Million Africans into Europe over the next 10 years?? Imagine Paris looking like Detroit! And the propoganda machine is in full force to mix all the races because:
**”its been proven that a mixed race society is less likely to fight back in unison against the government making them easier to control and manipulate!!”**
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
5:03 pm
Ah, put ‘em in a ring and let ‘em slug it out. Us liberals got Hitlerina McKinney, pugnacious little thang!
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
5:04 pm
Normal, ABM, Kamchak and Jay–who’d've reckoned Denise Barber was a Braves fan!
mike
September 3rd, 2009
5:07 pm
” Within a few months of her accusations against Bush, McKinney was defeated in a Democratic primary in large part because the people she considered her base rejected her lunacy. ”
This claim is nonsense. McKinney had been making incendiary comments for years and was re-elected several times.
McKinney was given the boot for several reasons:
1) She lost the Dem primary in 2002 to Denise Majette 58 to 42 and it is widely known that many Republicans participated in this open vote.
2) McKinney had angered the Democrat establishment by stating that “Al Gore’s Negro tolerance level has never been too high. I’ve never known him to have more than one black person around him at any given time.”
3) McKinney had done a miserable job of bringing money home to her district.
The notion that McKinney was punnished by the Democrats in her district for her comments on 9/11 may help Jay make the false case that Democrats are more demanding of respectful speech, but it has no basis in reality.
mike
September 3rd, 2009
5:09 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the most important part:
McKinney was re-elected in 2004.
Tom
September 3rd, 2009
5:09 pm
Another fundamentalist GOP hate-mongering Neanderthal. Attaching himself/themselves to the latest bit of negativity/ignorance/hatred that comes down the pike. Lke all the others, he deserves a turpentine enema.
mike
September 3rd, 2009
5:10 pm
Paul –
“Will mainstream Republicans repudiate that sort of nonsense?”
Will Democrats repudiate Reid’s “evil monger” comments?
mike
September 3rd, 2009
5:10 pm
Tom –
“Another fundamentalist GOP hate-mongering Neanderthal. Attaching himself/themselves to the latest bit of negativity/ignorance/hatred that comes down the pike. Lke all the others, he deserves a turpentine enema.”
Yes people should be tolerant and loving like you. LOL. Your hypocrisy is funny.
md
September 3rd, 2009
5:11 pm
Funny, Chavez isn’t a dictator either, he is “elected”. Just sayin.
Goldie
September 3rd, 2009
5:11 pm
LOL — The wingnut extremists are hilarious, calling President Obama a “socialist” (when they’re not too busy calling him Hitler)… but ask them if they want to take Medicare away from their grandparents because “that’s just socialist medicine”, or to get rid of our “socialist firefighters” or “socialist policemen” who put their lives on the line for all of us, and they’re struck dumb for some reason. They’re good at latching on to a catch-phrase (remember “cut-n-run” or “WMDs”, anyone?), but they really don’t know what the words mean!
Finn McCool
September 3rd, 2009
5:11 pm
Now we understand why the wingnuts won’t claim McCain and revert to calling him a secret democrat.
The list of lunatic wingnuts in politics is ever increasing. I’d never heard of Barbara Bachmann before this year and she is now carrying the torch.
Ken
September 3rd, 2009
5:12 pm
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then I agree with you Jay, it couldn’t possibly be a duck.
Paul
September 3rd, 2009
5:14 pm
mike
[[Will Democrats repudiate Reid’s “evil monger” comments?]]
Probably not.
But wouldn’t it be nice to see Republicans break with the past and lead?
md
September 3rd, 2009
5:15 pm
I’m guessing Goldie doesn’t know the difference between “good for all of society” and “good for some of society”.
mike
September 3rd, 2009
5:16 pm
Paul
“But wouldn’t it be nice to see Republicans break with the past and lead?”
About as nice as it would be to see Democrats break with the past and lead.
Besides, Republicans are already leading the health care debate. It is time for the Dems to step up and lead in some area
number1ninja
September 3rd, 2009
5:17 pm
Mike, go to some other blog and try your shtick, people here already figured out that you’re as opaque as my urine after a night at the bar. Oh yeah, where were you to decry all the hate on the Ted Kennedy board, hypocrite? Bashing Cynthia Tucker as a bigot, I would assume, but that’s not really a hard guess.
number1ninja
September 3rd, 2009
5:17 pm
How’s that for tolerance? Nobody said you have to tolerate liars and fools.
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
5:18 pm
Potentiality of a dictatorship. Let’s not forget for one minute that the current POTUS was sworn in on the Bible of his role model who had his political opponents incarcerated, who suspended the writ of habeas corpus, censored the mails and justified all this by claiming there was “a higher law than the Constitution.”
number1ninja
September 3rd, 2009
5:19 pm
As far as the topic, the GOP can say whatever they want and people can believe it at their own peril. That’s part of living in America, nobody said freedom wasn’t dangerous.
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
5:20 pm
ninja–bashing Mckinney as a bigot? I take it you’re not one of hers and her pappy’s J-E-Ws.
Walks like a duck? Quack, quack!
Jay
September 3rd, 2009
5:21 pm
And McKinney was defeated again in ‘06, again in the Democratic primary, and now wanders the political wilderness.
But Mike, being as you are the self-ordained lodestar of fairness, the true north of nonpartisanship, the gold standard of evenhandedness, the Solomonic judge of hyperpartisanship wherever you find it, I am shocked, shocked to see that you have used this opportunity to attack McKinney and Harry Reid while uttering not a whisper about Broun.
How could that possibly have happened? I am stunned, sir. Poleaxed, even.
Taxpayer
September 3rd, 2009
5:21 pm
Well, I have a theory about Broun and his cohorts. They hatched out of plastic wrappers after being shipped all over the state from Claxton.
mike
September 3rd, 2009
5:21 pm
number1ninja –
“Mike, go to some other blog and try your shtick, people here already figured out that you’re as opaque as my urine after a night at the bar.”
What is the point of this comment? That I disagree with you so I should shut up? That you are vulgar?
“Oh yeah, where were you to decry all the hate on the Ted Kennedy board, hypocrite?”
I didn’t participate in any blogs related to Kennedy’s death. Thanks for the name calling though. It is great match with your vulgarity.
” Bashing Cynthia Tucker as a bigot, I would assume, but that’s not really a hard guess.”
Actually, I have not accused Tucker of being a bigot (as you regularly accuse conservatives). Care to actually criticize something that I really said instead things I never said? Your ascribing of stereotypes to me just demonstrates how narrow minded you are.
number1ninja
September 3rd, 2009
5:25 pm
Don’t believe I said anything about McKinney there, but personally I think she speaks for herself quite well.
mike
September 3rd, 2009
5:28 pm
Jay –
“And McKinney was defeated again in ‘06, again in the Democratic primary, and now wanders the political wilderness.”
Right and this had nothing to do with her comments on Bush just like in 2002. Thanks for demonstrating my point.
“I am shocked, shocked to see that you have used this opportunity to attack McKinney and Harry Reid while uttering not a whisper about Broun.”
LOL. You are really a poor reader aren’t you. I attacked neither McKinney nor Reid.
What I actually did was disprove your claim that McKinney was shown the door for her Bush comments, which she was not, and hence disprove your laughable theory that Democrats are more civil than Republicans.
I pointed out that Reid had made intemperate comments to point out your (and others) hypocrisy, not attack Reid.
Unlike you and the rest of the mindless partisans, I am not so silly as to think that Dems and Reps are any different. hence I am not surprised or outraged when Reid or Broun say something stupid. I expect it. for the record, both of their comments are stupid, but I am not so foolish as to think that their party affiliation has anything to do with it.
So how about applying your own standards to yourself? I assume you will now call out Reid the way you called out Broun, as you have established that one must do so to be “fair”.
number1ninja
September 3rd, 2009
5:29 pm
Geez, urine is vulgar? Somebody’s a little ashamed of himself, methinks.
Davo
September 3rd, 2009
5:30 pm
“Where are the conservative voices within Georgia or elsewhere willing to say that they have very real and important differences with Obama, but that it’s wrong to accuse him of having ambitions of dictatorship?”
Support for Obama from Ron Paul
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/philipsherwell/4043211/Support_for_Obama_from_Ron_Paul/
Ron Paul Favors Obama Over McCain
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/04/ron-paul-favors-obama-ove_n_100017.html
GEORGE AMERICAN
September 3rd, 2009
5:34 pm
FINALLY, A MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO IS WILLING TO TALK THE TRUTH!!!
BROUN SHOULD START WALKING THE WALK AND START AN OBARMA IMPEECHMENT PROSEADINGS BEFORE HE TAKES OR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND ALL OF OUR OTHER INALIENABLE RIGHTS AWAY!!!
Jay
September 3rd, 2009
5:35 pm
I express my opinion, Mike, and I do so honestly. I don’t try to disguise those opinions as unbiased revelations emanating from the unsullied brain of the only pure soul on earth.
mike
September 3rd, 2009
5:36 pm
number1ninja –
Yes. A comment like “you’re as opaque as my urine after a night at the bar” is vulgar to most people.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 3rd, 2009
5:38 pm
Has anyone ever heard bookman denounce Ted Kennedy for his borking of Robert Bork, a totally asinine caricature of a political opponent, “back alley abortions” and “segregated lunch counters” indeed.
For that matter, has anyone ever heard bookman denounce bookman for his hysterical, feminine screeching screeds about Sarah Palin?
What’s the matter y’all, turnabout isn’t fair play?
well boo hoo hoo.
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
5:38 pm
Well, the rest of you may not be attacking McKinney, but I AM. And Jay, some good wording there in your response to mike, no sarcasm intended…
number1ninja
September 3rd, 2009
5:40 pm
Sorry Josef, I’m not the greatest at implying sarcasm in the written word.
mike
September 3rd, 2009
5:42 pm
Jay –
Look, you asked a question of me and I answered you directly, point by point in a very civil fashion. Sorry that you find that type of dialog so offensive.
Take a look at our conversation here. I present two posts that are based on a logical argument. You can choose to dispute any fact I have presented or conclusion I have drawn. Instead, you have chosen ignore the argument I have made and instead respond with adjective heavy ad-hominem attacks.
Let me spare you the need to say “you never listen anyway so why should I try”. I expect that, but if you re-read my responses to you, I listen very closely and response to each point you have made. I am not expecting you to reciprocate, but spare me the excuses and just stick to the ad-hominem attacks that you prefer.
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
5:47 pm
ninja–I stand corrected, and my apologies. I’m afraid when it comes to McKinney and the Democrat Party’s strange silence (not speaking here of the party’s voters!) on hers and her pappy’s outrages, I have a knee-jerk reaction. The very mention of the hate heifer’s name is enough to set me off.
number1ninja
September 3rd, 2009
5:48 pm
If I said what I really feel about Cynthia McKinney I’d would offend the Supreme Judge of all that is Good and Decent over here, so I’d better watch my tongue!
TnGelding
September 3rd, 2009
5:48 pm
If this blog is any indication, he’ll be embraced and canonized.
number1ninja
September 3rd, 2009
5:50 pm
Wow, I should really proofread these these things. Minus one for me I guess.
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
5:51 pm
JAY–and as far as her rejection by the voters, didn’t stop that pack in DeKalb from naming a stretch of highway for her, now, did it?
Paul
September 3rd, 2009
5:52 pm
Mike
[[Will Democrats repudiate Reid’s “evil monger” comments?]]
Upon reflecting about your question, let me answer again. No – if he was speaking of the people who set out deliberate falsehoods about Democratic proposals. That tactic is the opposite of speaking truth (not just a difference of opinion) and can easily be classified as evil.
But as far as repudiating such language if Sen Reid was referring to those who’ve expressed honest disagreement over a policy… I dunno… I’m having a difficult time coming up with an example where that was the group he referred to as ‘evil mongers.’ What do you think: shouldn’t he be congratulated for plainly speaking and calling evil, evil?
TnGelding
September 3rd, 2009
5:53 pm
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 3rd, 2009
4:50 pm
To educate, promote and serve:
“Enable more Americans to serve in the armed forces.”
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf
Jay
September 3rd, 2009
5:54 pm
Well, Mike, let the record show that you have accused me of being a poor reader, a mindless partisan and a hypocrite with a laughable theory. Furthermore, I am told that I am not genuinely interested in stemming such low conversation and instead prefer to take aim at those who disagree with me.
This you describe as responding to me “in a very civil fashion” while I in turn am accused of launching ad hominem attacks.
You know, if it were anybody else but you, I might think there might be some bias showing. But since it’s you…..
Paul
September 3rd, 2009
5:55 pm
jay
Anyone who thinks the Israeli military doesn’t have a high tolerance for agony doesn’t realize how long they kept McKinney before releasing her….
Paul
September 3rd, 2009
5:56 pm
Jay – apologies. My 5:55 was for josef.
mike
September 3rd, 2009
5:56 pm
Paul –
Every partisan I know comes up with a justification why the behavior he decries is acceptable when “his side” does it. Hypocrisy can’t exist without such rationalization.
At the end of the day, while such speech is distasteful, both sides employ it equally and tolerate it equally. Jay thinks that Republicans are more prone to such speech and more tolerant of it. I dispute that claim and that is my point.
Midori
September 3rd, 2009
5:56 pm
Josef,
what’s with this “democrat” party?
I never see you refer to the “republic” party…..
are you saying that if my father had (or has) a problem with Jews, that immediately would transfer to me?
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
5:59 pm
PAUL–you’re 5:55…can I quote you on that?
md
September 3rd, 2009
6:00 pm
Paul, from what I read on the subject, Reid called all town hall protesters “evil mongers”. Didn’t see any clarification on his part, just “all”.
Finn McCool
September 3rd, 2009
6:00 pm
Conservative media take note: Reagan preached tax cut gospel to America’s students
September 03, 2009 1:09 pm ET by Matt Gertz
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909030020
Hre is some of Ronnies speech:
I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party — have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America’s original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor — it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.
Jay
September 3rd, 2009
6:01 pm
Well, Josef, that highway naming occurred in 2000, before the events in question.
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
6:02 pm
midori–I caught that as soon as it posted! Oooh, my bad. Worst part is, this is one that galls me, too!
“are you saying that if my father had (or has) a problem with Jews, that immediately would transfer to me?”
No, I’m not. She and he joined in that in a duet.
Paul
September 3rd, 2009
6:02 pm
mike
I was just trying to come up with a remembrance of who Sen Reid was speaking of when he termed them ‘evil mongers.’ If it’s a group who engages in deliberate falsehoods, knowing better, I have no problem with that. If it’s against those with whom he has policy differences, who are honestly stating an opinion based on fact, I would.
Again, I don’t think just because a person refers to a group as spreading evil that that’s an example of intolerance. It could be, in the very noblest sense, speaking truth at peril to one’s career.
AmVet
September 3rd, 2009
6:05 pm
This is both laughable and laughable at the same time, if you catch my drift!
Laughable in watching a professional wordsmith and man who is paid to use words and ideas wisely, provides great entertainment for those of us who enjoy the Romanesque spectacle of him dismantling a rabid detractor.
And laughable in that this poor put upon blogger is an amazingly needy one man foot soldier in a seemingly endless search for a Fairness Doctrine Revival Tent, where the Reverend Equal Time castigates all “mindless partisans”!
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
6:06 pm
JAY–before it became PUBLIC. Some of us had been listening for quite a while…of course, only those of us with an interest in it were listening at the time….
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 3rd, 2009
6:06 pm
Well, this Broun is right but he don’t go far enough. We need to get our guns and Take Our Country Back! It’s bad enough our kids got to look at TV and see a Darkie is President of the U.S. of A. Now this Obama is making up a army of his own to make sure our freedom gets took away.
Anyhow, me and mike think alike. We’re both fair-minded and don’t put up with no hypocrisy. I bet mike even votes for librul Democrats when he sees Republicans that don’t quite measure up to Fair and Balanced. Bookman can attack us all he wants, but we know what’s American and this ain’t it. So I’m inviting everyone on this blog to join me Saturday at 8 a.m. up north of Alpharetta for military practice. Ask anybody that lives in the area where we are and they’ll tell you. Bring your guns and we won’t keep you long. We wouldn’t want anybody to miss out on the start of colledge football.
Well, I’m getting off of this blog to lay in a stock of fried pork skins and PBR. Kickoff tonight is 7, and I’m going crazy trying to decide if I’ll watch the Falcons or SC vs. NC State. While I’m watching I’ll be cleaning and oiling my anti-tank weapon and the two machine guns I use for hunting and self-defense. Have a good night everybody.
And oh, almost forgot. Go Dawgs! I can’t stand another Sunday like the one we had after Alabama whupped us good and there was all this whining about firing Martinez and ref calls and Mark Richt needing to look for another job. And now all the Drs. and nurses in the maternity wards are worryed about not having nothing to do nine months from Saturday if the Dawgs don’t win.
TnGelding
September 3rd, 2009
6:07 pm
Reid’s comment:
“Such “evil-mongers” are using “lies, innuendo and rumor,” to drown out rational debate, Reid said.”
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/13/nineteen-minutes-in-a-car-with-harry-reid/
md
September 3rd, 2009
6:08 pm
Side note, I must give credit where credit is due. Barry did pass credit card legislation that says they must notify everyone when they jack up their rates.
And lo and behold, the credit card companies are now notifying everyone that they are jacking up their rates in response to the added expenses created by this wonderfully successful bill. Even the AJC sports writers are including it in their blogs.
@@
September 3rd, 2009
6:09 pm
Now it’s easy to get into claims of tit for tat. Every party or movement has its extremists. Broun’s counterpart among the Democrats, for example, might have been Rep. Cynthia McKinney, with her suggestion that Bush knew about the attacks of Sept. 11 but allowed them to take place so his friends in the defense industry could benefit.
Well, I just saw over at “The Atlantic” that Van Jones, Obama’s “green wienie CZAR” is on that list with McKinney. His name appears somewhere with a bunch of 911 Truthers. I don’t have time to look. Maybe you’d like to check it out, jay.
Cynthia may be crying out in the wilderness but Jones is working for Obama. For the life of me, I don’t know how democrats end up with so many kooks in their clocks.
mike
September 3rd, 2009
6:09 pm
Jay –
“Well, Mike, let the record show that you have accused me of being a poor reader, a mindless partisan, a hypocrite with a laughable theory, and that I am not genuinely interested in stemming such low conversation instead of just taking aim at those who disagree with me.”
Are you kidding me? You write what you write every day and you have the audacity to whine when other dare to treat the precious “journalist” the same way? Are any of those comments more offensive than calling people ” the bull goose looney” and “extremists” and talking about their “lunacy”?
Looks like the pundit thinks that he is the only one who is allowed to criticize. What a hypocrite.
So to be clear, the reason that you never respond to my arguments is because I am too uncivil?
“You know, if it were anybody else but you, I might think there might be some bias showing. But since it’s you…..”
Whoopee, a lame zinger. Doesn’t even make sense, as I state over and over again that I recognize my biases and my partisanship, I just am not silly enough to think that my side is more moral than any other. I just agree with conservative policies. You and your peers on the extreme right really believe that your morality and intelligence are greater than folks who dare not share your views. How silly.
What exactly makes you any different than any of the other commenters here? You certainly don’t behave any differently.
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
6:10 pm
AmVet–”Fairness Doctrine Tent Revival”–I’m probably excluded from this one, too, eh?
md
September 3rd, 2009
6:11 pm
“Hre is some of Ronnies speech:
I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party — have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America’s original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor — it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.”
I see nothing in there that mentions tax cuts. Does mention freedom from Sate agression though.
DoggoneGA
September 3rd, 2009
6:11 pm
To be truly fair here…I can all too clearly remember those on the “left side” postulating that Bush would use 9/11 and it’s aftermath as an excuse to suspend the next election and take control of the government. Wackos on both sides, no DOUBT.
mike
September 3rd, 2009
6:13 pm
AmVet –
“Laughable in watching a professional wordsmith and man who is paid to use words and ideas wisely, provides great entertainment for those of us who enjoy the Romanesque spectacle of him dismantling a rabid detractor.”
LOL You mean by totally ducking my argument and making ad-hominem attacks? Not surprised that you are doing your seal clapping for this empty rhetoric from the “professional wordsmith”. LOL
Midori
September 3rd, 2009
6:13 pm
Josef,
I’ve seen several clips of her father invoking that feeling, but have yet to see any of her.
BTW — I’m one of the loser loons in her district who still has a lot of respect for her.
both you and Jay need to watch “American Blackout”.
AmVet
September 3rd, 2009
6:14 pm
No sirree, josef!
My “mixed metaphors” notwithstanding, I’m interested in one who has seen the inner sanctums with his own eyes!
Welcome back my friend to the show that never ends, we’re so glad you could attend, come inside, come inside…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUclxp7FxHI
mike
September 3rd, 2009
6:14 pm
DoggoneGA –
There sure are.
Pogo
September 3rd, 2009
6:18 pm
Jay,
About all one needs to know about the Obama administration is the appointment of Van Jones as “Green Czar”. If you are proud of this man, good luck to you. Jones reflects what Obama thinks or he wouldn’t be there. Obama didn’t surround himself with people that don’t believe he does. He is much too intelligent for that. If you and the progressives here are proud of this man Jones, then so be it. America will not tolerate people like Jones (and I don’t mean his skin color). History proves that the Democrats (or the Republicans for that matter), once in total control, become drunk with their “power” and the American people quickly become sick of them. So the old “I hate you, I won and I am right” cycle continues. The Democrats power is about to be history. The Republicans will rise again and the cycle will continue. Meanwhile, the American people suffer from the incompetence of their “leaders” of both party’s and our country gets ever closer to the drain. The first course of action that we should take is to get rid of everyone who is currently in office, no matter what their party. The second course of action is to inact term limits on both the House and the Senate. We may get people that are just as bad but at this point what in the hell do we have to lose? No-one here can honestly tell me that they like what they are seeing in any political party we have in this country.
Matilda
September 3rd, 2009
6:20 pm
Doggone, good point at 6:11. To be fair, though, the Bush administration was chipping away at the safeguards that protect us from our government by re-interpreting the protections laid out in the bill of rights, forming a new “Homeland Security” agency, and wiretapping citizens without warrants. The fear of eventual marshall law may have been a leap, but it wasn’t a huge one. Obama, on the other hand, is being accused of dictatorial tactics and government takeover of absolutely everything because he’s trying to solve the problem of citizens being unable to afford medical care. That’s a much bigger leap, IMO. Your perspective may differ.
@@
September 3rd, 2009
6:21 pm
After a quick scan. Cynthia held public office for 12 years, didn’t she? It took 12 years before the embarrassment became too much?
Unfortunately for her, she had a love affair going on with the camera. I remember her jockeying for position to be seen shaking Bush’s hand during his congressional addresses. Any president filled the bill.
SMILE….you’re on candid camera, Cynthia….you and other a$$moles.
Nothing is Free
September 3rd, 2009
6:21 pm
Jackie
**You are such a low-life that you try to bring President Obama’s children into your conversation. How do you keep from throwing up on yourself?**
Oh my wonderful sister in the holy image of Ann Dunham. I too was appalled at the sacrilege of mentioning the Holy One’s blessed children. Yes, he should be sick unto himself for committing such a mortal sin.
I’m sure the more ignorant among us will want to point to the deserved treatment that the demon-woman, Sarah Palin and her evil spawn rightfully received during her demonic attempt at defeating the Anointed One. She got what she deserved as did her ignorant hate-children. But for a mere mortal to type the holy names of the Anointed One’s Children should and I’m sure will become a crime punishable by the most painful letting of the Republicans demons.
Bless you my sister. All Hail Obama. All Hail Obama’s Children.
Let no man speak of them again in hate or anger.
Let no man speak of them again in hate or anger.
Amen
Paul
September 3rd, 2009
6:23 pm
josef 5:59
Sure. And you can even say ’self inflicted agony.”
md 6:00
My understanding was Sen Reid was denouncing those who, not in the spirit of free expression of ideas, shut down any ability for others to be heard. Early on that was par for the course at those meetings. Then it got better.
TnGelding
Well, if a ‘monger’ is one who promotes something undesirable, and that which is undesirable is provably false, and that which is false is knowingly put out, and that which is put out is not truth…
then yeah, I can see calling it evil.
Which would be speaking truth, yes?
@@
Note for you downstairs -
and the Van Jones question: fair enough. Especially since his response to an honest question of “Republicans are a33holes” started making the youtube rounds -
AmVet
September 3rd, 2009
6:24 pm
Midori, I really don’t know enough about her to say much, but I do know this.
And to my point, the American Politburo, aka the Commission on Presidential debates, in cahoots with the corporate owned, but supposedly “liberal” MSM, locks out ALL voices that do not have a D or R after their names.
And because these interests are completely beholden, especially financially, to those same duopolistic communists, EVERYBODY else gets no voice in this country.
Not McKinney, Not Nader. NO ONE gets to see the powerful Oz! NOT NO ONE, NO WAY, NO HOW.
I imagine she has some good ideas, some bad ones and some in between. But try to get the straight scoop from ABC, NBC,CBS, FOX etc? You’ve got to be kidding me…
Jay
September 3rd, 2009
6:24 pm
Two points, Mike:
You ask: “What exactly makes you any different than any of the other commenters here?”
Excellent question. Excellent. And the answer is, nothing. I never made any claim to be different, Mike.
Now, if you’ll permit me the liberty, let me ask the same excellent question of you:
“What exactly makes you any different than any of the other commenters here?”
Because with every post you offer, you have attempted to set yourself above the sullied masses. In fact, it seems to be your entire purpose for posting. You don’t wish to debate whatever issue is at hand, you wish to demonstrate that you can somehow walk through ankle-deep mud yet never soil even the hem of your spotless garments.
It is truly an astonishing performance, sir, and I applaud it heartily.
Bravo sir. Bravo.
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
6:25 pm
midori
Well, you can respect her if you want to. It’s a free country. I despise her and her kind with a passion.
AmVet–Thanks! I needed that. I can always count on you!
JAY–I like you best when you cut loose! I wish you’d give play to your love of the language more often!
DoggoneGA
September 3rd, 2009
6:27 pm
ad hominem
1. appealing to one’s prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one’s intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent’s character rather than answering his argument
“That you are vulgar?”
“It is great match with your vulgarity.”
“just demonstrates how narrow minded you are.”
“Your hypocrisy is funny.”
“Unlike you and the rest of the mindless partisans”
“just stick to the ad-hominem attacks that you prefer.”
“What a hypocrite”
“How silly”
“Not surprised that you are doing your seal clapping “
DoggoneGA
September 3rd, 2009
6:28 pm
“Your perspective may differ”
No, it doesn’t differ. I thought the wackos were wrong about Bush, but I wasn’t so sure they were wrong about those around him.
@@
September 3rd, 2009
6:29 pm
What exactly makes you any different than any of the other commenters here? You certainly don’t behave any differently.
AMEN to THAT!!!! when it all boils down in e-mail anyway…
and as long as the e-mailer doesn’t ask too much of jay
LIKE TELLING THE TRUTH!
I love finding opportunities where I least expect them.
Thanks, mike!
md
September 3rd, 2009
6:31 pm
“forming a new “Homeland Security” agency,”
Would that be the same dept that under Barry has called our soldiers “possible terrorists”.
Not sure what you are looking at, but most of Bush’s policies and practices are still in place under Barry. 2 peas in a pod.
DoggoneGA
September 3rd, 2009
6:32 pm
“LIKE TELLING THE TRUTH”
So now you are accusing Jay of lieing. How about a few examples just to back up your accusation. Or, in other words, proof please.
@@
September 3rd, 2009
6:34 pm
No, DoggoneIt…not lying just withholding. jay knows what I’m talking about. No need for you to worry your little head about things that don’t involve you.
Run along now.
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
6:35 pm
@@
gotcha downstairs…replied
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
September 3rd, 2009
6:35 pm
Yes, mike does walk on air.
Hot air.
DoggoneGA
September 3rd, 2009
6:37 pm
“not lying just withholding”
Whan you demand someone tell the truth…you ARE accusing them of telling lies. And if you don’t want it to “concern” me…take it PRIVATE.
Pogo
September 3rd, 2009
6:38 pm
Ooops! Got caught in a loop. Multi-tasking while blogging. A common ailment among those that actually have to work “after hours”. To keep the old (in the words of Sham Vet) economic machine running, so to speak. Now I’m off to the Neo-con, Rethuglican and every other derogratory term for people like me indoctrination meeting. Actually, I think I’ll play my Les-Paul for a while.
Taxpayer
September 3rd, 2009
6:38 pm
Conservative media take note: Reagan preached tax cut gospel to America’s students
September 03, 2009 1:09 pm ET by Matt Gertz
Why, that’s just history. It has no bearing here.
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
6:39 pm
mike–must say, you’re holding your own pretty well, too.
number1ninja
September 3rd, 2009
6:40 pm
Geez, even Andy sees through you. mike. And he’s a Bears fan! See, everybody has some common ground. (Apologies for previous bad attempt at humor.)
@@
September 3rd, 2009
6:41 pm
DoggoneIt:
What part of Run along now did you not understand.
Leaving a lie (intentional or otherwise) to lay online is, in fact, leaving a lie as it stands.
I’ll try to be more diplomatic this time.
Get lost….scram….vamoose!
josef nix
September 3rd, 2009
6:42 pm
@@
“and as long as the e-mailer doesn’t ask too much of jay”
Well, I have to say that was my experience, but he did his best…