Even an Obama speech to children sets off partisan outrage

So we’ve come to this?

The president of the United States can’t speak to the children of the United States about the importance of staying in school, working hard and getting a degree without inciting political outrage?

Really?

The speech is set for Tuesday, and will be broadcast via the web to schools all around the country.
But as the Christian Science Monitor points out, the right is all aflutter:

“Schools have used students as little lobbyists on everything from illegal immigration to gay marriage to anti-war activism, and most recently, [c]ensus collection,” (Michelle) Malkin wrote. “Will Obama be able to resist issuing a call to youth arms to marshal help in passing his legislative agenda?”

Meanwhile, the conservative radio host Dana Loesch has launched a campaign urging parents to keep their children home on the day of Obama’s speech. In an email urging against the “Socialist Indoctrination of Americas children,” [sic] Loesch explains that Americans must not “mind our Ps and Qs and blindly follow their directives”:

“That’s not the manner of governance upon which this country was founded – it is quite the opposite; even the hobbyist Constitutional aficionado appreciates this. So yes, keep your kids home on September 8th and teach them that the power of America rests in the hands of its people, no one else.”

Meanwhile, the chairman of the Florida Republican Party accuses Obama of trying to “indoctrinate America’s children to his socialist agenda.” According to Jim Greer:

“The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the president justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power.”

You know what? If Obama gave a speech anything like Greer describes, the anger he exudes would be entirely justified. It would be absolutely inappropriate, even outrageous, for any president to use a forum of this kind for partisan purposes. It would be wrong to even mention health care or other hot-button issues.

But by all accounts, Obama has no intention of doing so.

According to Education Secretary Arne Duncan, “During this special address, the president will speak directly to the nation’s children and youth about persisting and succeeding in school. The president will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning.”

Is the GOP opposed to that message? If the president of the United States was going in person to their own child’s classroom to tell them to stay in school and study hard, would conservatives keep their kids home to protect them from that vile message? Is the hate that deep, the lack of respect so visceral?

Has it really come to this, people?

521 comments Add your comment

Captain Underpants

September 3rd, 2009
7:33 am

Hey Jay…your site has viruses. My scanner detects two trojans this a.m.

Captain Underpants

September 3rd, 2009
7:38 am

And still more with each access to your Bookman page.

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
7:47 am

“Has it really come to this, people?”

yes.

this has been another edition of simple answers for simple questions (about the simple minded)

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
7:48 am

“My scanner detects two trojans this a.m”

must not make joke about magnums … must … refrain …

stands for decibels

September 3rd, 2009
7:49 am

Is the hate that deep, the lack of respect so visceral?

Well, yes. but more to the point: I’m pretty it’s directed at how conservatives really don’t want their kids to accept that this is, in fact, the legitimately elected President of the United States of America.

Mac

September 3rd, 2009
7:49 am

The loonies get loonier every day.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 3rd, 2009
7:50 am

JFK’s Presidents Council for Physical Fitness turned me into
a 200 ton, socialist, commie, facist, baby killing, lib, pinko,
American hating, libtard, with a wretched lonely life, who plays the trumpet! (i just know i left a couple out…..when you are as evil as i am it’s hard to keep track)

Just when you think the rabid, radical right can’t get more ridiculous…..they do!

stands for decibels

September 3rd, 2009
7:50 am

I’m also pretty SURE it’s directed…

argh.

stands for decibels

September 3rd, 2009
7:52 am

KO mentioned last night that Reagan and Bush had both made similarly PSA-style televised messages for school kids, during their terms. I haven’t noodled around to verify and probably won’t be able to this am–anyone got more on that?

Normal

September 3rd, 2009
7:53 am

This is another example of Republican fear. They are losing credibility and they are afraid. I will never understand a political Party that would drag their country down just to see a President fail.
They want to teach the children to fear and hate instead of reason and debate. Sad, so very sad.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 3rd, 2009
7:53 am

OK, my comment is awaiting moderation.

it was FABULOUS

All I did was proclaim that JFK’s Council on Fitness turned me into
…..and then I listed all the names I have been called over the years
(including my new talent for the trumpet) and I get moderated.

I wonder JAY, why I can get called all those names, but I get moderated when I repeat them?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 3rd, 2009
7:55 am

I have been released!!!

Thanks moderation guys n’ gals!

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
7:55 am

seriously, Jay – these are the same people who got their underoos in a twist because he ordered grey poupon.

these are the same people who shouted for Michelle’s head for touching the Queen.

these are the same people who retired to their fainting couches over the fact that John Phillips Sousa is no longer the only hold music option for the Capitol (seriously.)

and, of course, these are the same people who have clutched their pearls and put the back of their hand to their weary brow over Obama’s call for a National Day of Service on 9/11 (despite the fact that’s what the families of those who died that day have said they would prefer)

I would list more, but my eyeballs have rolled so far back in my head, I can see my own spleen.

Normal

September 3rd, 2009
7:56 am

USinUK, I brought this up from downstairs in case you don’t go back down. This is really cool…
Normal

September 3rd, 2009
7:47 am
UsinUK, The interview was really cool. They took the reporter to an English Oak that was 400 years old and as described, it sounded like a tree out of Harry Potter. They also said the oldest tree on record, was an Yew. The stuff of long bows! My Gawd, what history! Now there are a couple of trees I’d like to hug!

jt

September 3rd, 2009
7:57 am

The only way this would be appropriate is if Ron Paul was given equal time directly after President Obama.

I wonder if President Obama will encourage “fishy” snitching?

Angry Black Man

September 3rd, 2009
7:58 am

Mrs. G

You can’t post stuff like that. I’m sitting here at work crying from laughing so hard. You’re gonna get me in trouble. I had a response to your warm honey post the other day that got eaten alive. May try to repost it later. Gotta get back to work now.

@@

September 3rd, 2009
7:59 am

There’s a little more to it than what you’re telling us, jay.

“Menu of Classroom Activities”

When I first heard about it, I thought….I wonder how often North Korea’s Dear Leader interjects himself into the classroom?

We know Hugo does.

THE first time Hugo Chávez made a serious attempt to reshape the Venezuelan education system, the resulting political battle contributed to the coup that in 2002 briefly ousted him from the presidency.

This is something even YOU should be concerned about. I’m wondering why you’re not. When it comes to our children, it’s better to be safe than sorry.

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:00 am

Normal –

I’m going to have to dig around for that story … We have a few old oaks in our neighborhood, but I doubt they’re 400y.o. …

sadly, though, there are also dingy-ball trees everywhere, too – and those are the UGLIEST things when the leaves turn in the fall … they just get all blotchy and brown like they’re diseased …

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:01 am

Jay complaining about petty partisan outrage?

Sorry to tell you this Jay, but your entire career is dedicated to petty partisan outrage. Maybe if you didn’t practice it so much, you would not look like such an absurd hypocrite when you whine about it.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 3rd, 2009
8:02 am

Seems the President listens…..even to the whackadoodles.

“The Department of Education has now changed their supplementary materials on President Obama’s upcoming address to schoolchildren on the importance of education — eliminating a phrase that some conservatives, such as the Florida GOP, happened to have been bashing as evidence of socialist indoctrination in our schools.”

here:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/department-of-education-edits-out-help-the-president-from-classroom-materials-on-upcoming-speech.php?ref=fpa

See? Political Correctness for Righties is OK too!

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 3rd, 2009
8:03 am

The Khmer Rouge wanted to eradicate anyone suspected of “involvement in free-market activities” including professionals, almost everyone with an education and who had connections to government and those who lived in the cities. The regime did not want the risk of anybody having the consciousness to rebel against their movement. The country was predominantly Buddhist and its monks were disrobed, half of them were killed and the rest forced to work in the harsh agricultural labor camps and Christianity was also abolished. They also believed that parents were corrupted by capitalism and felt that children should be separated from their families in order to ensure that they were swathed in socialist ideology.

You are crossing the line.

Leave our children alone.

Cherokee

September 3rd, 2009
8:03 am

@@, were you nervous when Bush talked to the kids?

And now you’re afraid that they might listen to someone who tells them to stay in school and work hard?

Amazing….

@@

September 3rd, 2009
8:03 am

Now THIS, in my opinion, is a far more interesting topic for discussion.

We got into a staredown with the Russian bear and we blinked.

I predicted long ago, that it would be so.

Putin is an accomplished “chess” player while Obama struggles with “checkers”.

I’m off.

Taxpayer

September 3rd, 2009
8:04 am

Well! This is an outrage. I will not stand for this. I’m keeping my child out of school on September 7 and I beseech other parents to do the same.

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:04 am

Normal –

“They want to teach the children to fear and hate instead of reason and debate.”

What? So you are saying that because I disagree with your narrow views, I want to teach my children to “fear and hate”?

Sounds like you are the one who is filled with fear and hate for anyone who dares not share your views.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 3rd, 2009
8:05 am

Maybe President Obama ought to just sit in some classroom somewhere and read My Pet Goat….

ByteMe

September 3rd, 2009
8:05 am

@@ has gone off the deep end so early in the morning. Please don’t drown in your own bile, dear.

I wonder if making fun of these wingnut clowns is enough, though. No one is attacking back to make it clear that these idiots are nuts. There is no push-back other than “well, they’re nuts”. That’s not enough. We already know at least 30% of the population believe both the birther and deather lies, so that means that a solid minority are susceptible to being lied to if the lies go unchallenged for long.

Start attacking the disease.

Paul

September 3rd, 2009
8:05 am

When I heard the first reports of this I thought “oh, brother. It’s about staying in school and what people (like him) from difficult backgrounds can achieve.” Then I heard allegations, supported by quotes, of how kids would be used to advance the President’s agenda, with references such as “What does the President want us to do?” and “make posters of your goals.” So it appeared to be a case of bureaucrats run amok.

Not so. This link is the DOE suggestion to preK-6. At the right of the page is the suggestion for 7-12.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/President-Obama%E2%80%99s-Address-to-Students-Across-America-September-8-2009

Questions like what’s he talking about, who’s he talking to, does it apply to you and what can you do to show support, like staying in school and doing your assignments!!!

Sounds like things I’d want my kid to think about. Or any kid, for that matter.

The Right loses credibility over these ideological launches (but, amazingly, some people buy it without question). But… the Left loses credibility over ideological hypocrisy (conducting war, tax evasion by elected officials, pocket-lining deals with corporate interests) and their base pretends like nothing’s happened.

So yin and yang are in balance.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 3rd, 2009
8:07 am

Oh NOES!

Missle defense system boondoogle prevented!

No blinking…..eyes wide open.

Normal

September 3rd, 2009
8:09 am

Susan Atkins denied parole…Looks like she’ll die in jail of her brain tumor.
———–
Mike: You are the exception to the rule. everyone here can see that your response is well thought, and ready for honest debate and not full of attemped put downs. Go back to your astro turf gang and sux on a lemon, it may make you feel better :cry:

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:09 am

I agree that the outrage over this is silly, but do have any doubt that Jay and the rest of the partisan left would have been equally up in arms if the White House implored school children to “Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president” while Bush was selling the Iraq War.

Please show some intellectualy honesty folks. Partisans get wound up over the same petty minutia, the only difference is whether they are in “support” or “opposition” mode.

BTW: Jay ever going to acknowledge the Charlie Rangell story? I mean, it is not as fund as reporting on the legal infidelities of GOP governors, but it is a much more consequential story.

Taxpayer

September 3rd, 2009
8:09 am

As for you right wing nutter butters, gather your children together and pray to your almighty GOP for your salvation.

F. Sinkwich

September 3rd, 2009
8:10 am

Jay, did you bother to read the lesson plan the administration asked schools to use following Chairman O’s speech?

You know, the one where it was suggested for prekindergarten to sixth-grade students that they “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.”

Didn’t think so.

Doggone/GA

September 3rd, 2009
8:10 am

I’ve been WAITING for this one to turn up!

Road Scholar

September 3rd, 2009
8:11 am

So the conservatives and the repubs are against our socialist public school system. They are against children learning, listening and formulating their own ideas and values. You know…thinking for themselves…w/o following blindly the fringe. Is it time for the conserves to have a time out? How about a loooooooong time out? The most scary thing about this is that there are adults (alledgedly) out there that agree with this conservative drivel.

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:13 am

“What? So you are saying that because I disagree with your narrow views, I want to teach my children to “fear and hate”?”

ahem. see whiner’s post at 8:03. when your side compares an adress about staying in school to genocide committed by the Khmer Rouge, the answer is a resounding YES, you’re teaching fear and hate.

Turd Ferguson

September 3rd, 2009
8:13 am

Obobo just wants to brainwash these kids. One article stated the agenda was to have students write a paper about how they could help the President.

So Obobo needs help from the smallest of the small? This makes no sense. Just more socialistic indoctrination by Obobo and the Dems.

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:14 am

oh, and thanks, whiner, for illustrating the point so succinctly.

Doggone/GA

September 3rd, 2009
8:16 am

“Start attacking the disease.”

It’s hard though…when they stick their fingers in their ears and start chanting “USA USA USA USA” (LA LA LA is out of their vocabulary)

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:16 am

Normal:

“Mike: You are the exception to the rule. everyone here can see that your response is well thought, and ready for honest debate and not full of attemped put downs. Go back to your astro turf gang and sux on a lemon, it may make you feel better ”

A few things:

1) Actually, it is the mindless partisan crew that is the exception to the rule, both on the left and the right.

2) Do you think that your own comments are those of one who is “ready for honest debate and not full of attemped put downs.”? What about the rest of the angry liberal posters here (i.e. Taxpayer)?

3) Do you also think that uncivil liberals also teach their children to “hate and fear”, or is only the case with people who don’t happen to share your views?

Taxpayer

September 3rd, 2009
8:16 am

Be afeared, right wing nutter butters! The children are in the corn fields and they’re becoming one with the corn and it’s Roundup Ready.

Turd Ferguson

September 3rd, 2009
8:17 am

Normal

September 3rd, 2009
8:09 am

Wow…cant imagine someone spending their entire adult life in jail but no sympathy here.

Dont do the crime if ya cant do the time.

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:19 am

fercryingoutloud, TF (et al) –

when the subject is staying in school, doing your homework, taking responsibility for your role in your education, NO, I would not get all aflutter about writing a letter on how the kid can “help the president”

talk about LOOKING for something to get in a twist about. sheesh.

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:20 am

USinUK –

“ahem. see whiner’s post at 8:03. when your side compares an adress about staying in school to genocide committed by the Khmer Rouge, the answer is a resounding YES, you’re teaching fear and hate.”

LOL. So because one partisan fool makes a comment, I am now responsible for that?

So I guess you are responsible for Ward Churchill calling the 9/11 victims “Little Eichmans”? You are responsible for every comment made by every liberal on this blog, no matter how stupid or unrelated to your own personal views.

Please. There are mindless partisan fools on both sides. Maybe for once, you can judge people for their own comments instead of judging them by the most extreme comments you can find from somebody else who dares not share your narrow views.

jasper

September 3rd, 2009
8:20 am

lighten up libbies, if this were Bush TV, you’d have Janine Giraffelo, levitating with hate spew on david letterman, not that anybody would be watching it. Then there would be the usuual diatribes by Hufflepuff,Oberfuhrer, Chris Shortfuse, not to mention the scowls and dark tones used by the state run mainstream media talking heads.

You libbies are so transparent when you feign sensitivity. Those who complain about O in the governement school are getting what they deserve for putting their kids in them in the first place. Chaulk up public school as another prime example of how our goverment fails us. But there’s no way they can mess up health care, that’s different.

Yes there are Obama haters, and they are stupid just like the Bush haters, and just like the premise of this blog.

Mort Merkel

September 3rd, 2009
8:20 am

The Republicans have become dangerous to society. It’s time to put them in internment camps.

Just kidding. That sounds like something the wacky right could come up with.

Joey

September 3rd, 2009
8:21 am

Jay;
I think your outrage meter needs adjusting.
Or is your outrage over the comments just faux effect?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 3rd, 2009
8:21 am

….but nobody “hates” Obama……

too damn funny

Sadie Mae Glutz

September 3rd, 2009
8:21 am

Look at all of ya sitting there smirking and me on my death bed. Where is the sympathy, Huh? If and when I get out just be prepared cuz Im comin to visit YOU! BOO!!!

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:24 am

Road Scholar –

“So the conservatives and the repubs are against our socialist public school system. They are against children learning, listening and formulating their own ideas and values.”

This is what is called a silly straw man, ladies and gentlemen. Road Scholar is incapable of making an argument against what people actually said, so he just makes something up and argues against that.

This is akin to claiming that anyone who was opposed to the Iraq War doesn’t care about national security, conflating a policy with the goal of the policy and stating that opposition to a policy is the same as being opposed to a the goal. This is the lamest and most cowardly of debating techniques.

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:25 am

mike –

do I hold you responsible for what whiner says? of course not.

but, when you have people running around spewing that kind of bile, you can’t be surprised when some of it lands on you (just like I had the whole Bush=Hitler thing land on me even though I am violently opposed to how casual the Hitler/Nazi/SS comparisons have become on both sides of the aisle)

… and it’s funny that you bring up WC – until the right came along, no one on the left had ever HEARD of him except for his students …

Mrs. Godzilla

September 3rd, 2009
8:26 am

let me just point out…..this over the line silliness actually
helps us……te he hee

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:26 am

Mort –

“The Republicans have become dangerous to society. It’s time to put them in internment camps. Just kidding. That sounds like something the wacky right could come up with.”

Really? Can you provide an example of someone on the right actually making such a statement? Or is this just another example of a partisan who can’t distinguish between his own intolerant stereotypes and reality?

Turd Ferguson

September 3rd, 2009
8:26 am

These publc schools already teach from a “collective/socialistic” platform. Just look at the annual supply list. Its chock full of redundancy and more items than any one kid will use thru-out the entire school year, and why?

Well we must all contribute to the poor kid whose parents refuse to contribute. “Lets all give little Johnny some paper and pencil because his sorry parents are more concerned with making the lease payment on their Mercedes C class” and/or paying of the 20 inch rims they shouldnt have in the first place”.

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:27 am

“This is what is called a silly straw man”

is there any other kind?

Mrs. Godzilla

September 3rd, 2009
8:27 am

smoochie……what a clever name you have chosen for the next what…10, 15 minutes!

Taxpayer

September 3rd, 2009
8:28 am

Why, I am just so ANGRY! And Liberal! Ooh! What shall I DO. Someone tell me, won’t you. I just feel so partisan and so hypocritical all the time. It must be my inner socialist that yearns to ask, “Brother, can you spare a dime.”

Squeaky Fromme and Geddy Lee Support the environment concert

September 3rd, 2009
8:30 am

You tell em Sadie. Thats right you all will pay the price cuz He-ll is coming down and its comin down now. Mmmm hmm…just like Gerald Ford when he was needlessly killin trees and something had to be done.

You tell em Sqeaky!!
And now we’d like to do and oldie but a goodie

“There is unrest in the forest
there is trouble with the trees
for the Maples want more sunlight
and the oaks ignore their pleas…”

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:31 am

8:26 —

that’s right, TF – cuz everyone knows the good, upstanding Christian thing to do would be to PUNISH THAT KID!! Make ‘em stand up at the head of the class, so that everyone can make fun of them!!! Make that kid SUFFER because they have irresponsible parents and, evidently, they aren’t suffering enough!! KEEP THOSE KIDS DOWN!!!

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:31 am

USinUK –

“do I hold you responsible for what whiner says? of course not.”

Well, actually you just did when you said “see whiner’s post at 8:03. when your side compares an adress about staying in school to genocide committed by the Khmer Rouge, the answer is a resounding YES, you’re teaching fear and hate”.

You took the opportunity to shout in caps that I am necessarily teaching fear and hate because of Whiner’s comments.

“but, when you have people running around spewing that kind of bile, you can’t be surprised when some of it lands on you (just like I had the whole Bush=Hitler thing land on me even though I am violently opposed to how casual the Hitler/Nazi/SS comparisons have become on both sides of the aisle)”

You make no sense. So you are saying that you teach your kids “fear and hate” because “your side” made Bush-Hitler comparisons? That is the logic that you have laid out for us.

“… and it’s funny that you bring up WC – until the right came along, no one on the left had ever HEARD of him except for his students …”

So what? Do you think that the right is any more familiar with Whiner, who you have deemed the spokesman for me and the right?

Your noting that WC is irrelevant to mainstream liberals is exactly my point. The extreme voices on the left don’t represent mainstream liberal thought any more than Whiner’s represents mainstream conservative thought.

Thanks for the help in demonstrating my original point.

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:33 am

USinUK –

““This is what is called a silly straw man”

is there any other kind?”

Nope. All straw men are silly and that is why people like Normal should not use them.

Joey

September 3rd, 2009
8:34 am

“I will never understand a political party that would drag their country down just to see a president fail.”

I totally agree. It was a sad 8-year+ program by Democrats and media types like Bookman. It is most unfortunate that these same people can’t let that fear and hate go even though Bush is 8 months gone.

And teaching reason and debate instead of fear and hate: That would have been a good thing for Democrats to have practiced over the first decade of this new century. Yes indeed.

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:34 am

Taxpayer –

“Why, I am just so ANGRY! And Liberal”

Well we all know that. Your endless stream of partisan name calling makes that as clear as day.

Turd Ferguson

September 3rd, 2009
8:34 am

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:31 am

Not my problem so dont try and make it mine.

Perhaps if you dems/libs would address the CAUSE of the problems and not the symptoms then you may be taken more seriously.

hmmmm

September 3rd, 2009
8:36 am

why would a president need to motivate our children? isn’t that a teacher’s job?

are our teachers failing in their responsibility?

hmmmm. . .

since when did it become our responsibility to work for politicians? they’re supposed to work for us.

hmmmm. . .

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:37 am

mike –

(in reverse order)

“Your noting that WC is irrelevant to mainstream liberals is exactly my point”

and, yet, your side MADE him the spokesman for the left.

“You make no sense. So you are saying that you teach your kids “fear and hate” because “your side” made Bush-Hitler comparisons? That is the logic that you have laid out for us.”

darlin’, it’s called the law of “you’re known by the company you keep” – just as all liberals have been tarred by those who chose to diminish the horrors of Nazism with their comparison of Bush to Hitler, conservatives get tarred by those who spew whiner’s brand of nonsense.

the funny thing is, in the back-and-forth we’ve had already, I haven’t heard you denounce his POV.

Taxpayer

September 3rd, 2009
8:39 am

Oh lookie. Mikey broke his promise. Nah Nah. You’re a bad boy. Just bad bad bad. You bad bad boy you. You need a spanking. You bad boy.

Turd Ferguson

September 3rd, 2009
8:39 am

Just more evidence that Obobo cant control much of anything…lol!

White House Green Jobs Adviser Apologizes for Calling Republicans ‘Asholes’

Taxpayer

September 3rd, 2009
8:40 am

Perhaps if you dems/libs would address the CAUSE of the problems

What! Are we spelling your name wrong?

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:42 am

TF –

“Not my problem so dont try and make it mine.”

yep. like I said. fine, upstanding Christian attitude.

“Perhaps if you dems/libs would address the CAUSE of the problems and not the symptoms then you may be taken more seriously”

wow. so, now we’re supposed to MAKE everyone take personal responsibility and have government-approved priorities. wouldn’t that be government intrusion into private life?

N-GA

September 3rd, 2009
8:43 am

Paul,

I tend to believe that those on the extreme left & right are more “unbalanced” than balanced.

Taxpayer

September 3rd, 2009
8:44 am

U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann says she fears the Obama administration will create “re-education camps for young people, where young people have to go and get trained in a philosophy that the government puts forward and then they have to go to work in some of these politically correct forums.”

OH NO! Her fears are coming true. Run and hide, you right wing nutter butters. NO! NOT in the corn fields. The Roundup Ready children of the corn will get you and eat you and sow your seeds of despair!

Road Scholar

September 3rd, 2009
8:44 am

Mike: “This is akin to claiming that anyone who was opposed to the Iraq War doesn’t care about national security,…”

Your memory is so short. You don’t remember the conservatives lambasting the American people who did not support Shrub’s invasion of Iraq for the mythical WMD? They were called anti-American, traitors, etc.. Where were your condemnation comments then?

My point was, which you apparently missed, is that the sole purpose of schools is not to force the sheer memorization of information or history, but to take the information and think about its impacts to their lives and the world.

“The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the president justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power.”

“Forced”? “…invasive abuse of power”? Come on now…

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:46 am

USinUK –

“and, yet, your side MADE him the spokesman for the left.”

Well, enough of the “my side” nonsense. Partisan conservatives made him the spokesman, not me. I am not so silly as to believe that WC represents anything but a fringe view.

Regardless, you just made Whiner the spokesman for me and “mys side”, so you are no different from those conservative partisans. (Partisans all use the same low tactics.)

“darlin’, it’s called the law of “you’re known by the company you keep” – just as all liberals have been tarred by those who chose to diminish the horrors of Nazism with their comparison of Bush to Hitler, conservatives get tarred by those who spew whiner’s brand of nonsense.”

First, I don’t keep company with Whiner. I think he is a mindless partisan.

Second, I got your point the first time. I disagree with the notion that I am responsible for the comments of extreme partisans. You disagree. As I asked before, are you equally responsible for the comment of extreme partisans like WC? (You never answered.)

“the funny thing is, in the back-and-forth we’ve had already, I haven’t heard you denounce his POV.”

Well, I did state that his views are extreme and partisan and made a detailed argument about why I should not be associated with his argument, but let me satisfy your silly requirement by denouncing hos POV on this matter.

I haven’t heard you denounce WC’s POV? Does that mean that you support it? Or does that mean that you don’t think you are responsible for refuting the statements of partisan wackos who you have no association with?

The whole notion that we are all responsible for denouncing stupid views is just a lame tactic to try to smear folks with the views of extremists. Both flavors of mindless partisan use it frequently.

Normal

September 3rd, 2009
8:47 am

“Mike, you said:

A few things:

1) Actually, it is the mindless partisan crew that is the exception to the rule, both on the left and the right.
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On this we can agree, but you come off as one of “those”.

2) Do you think that your own comments are those of one who is “ready for honest debate and not full of attemped put downs.”? What about the rest of the angry liberal posters here (i.e. Taxpayer)?
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When I said: They want to teach the children to fear and hate instead of reason and debate. Sad, so very sad.
You replied:
What? So you are saying that because I disagree with your narrow views, I want to teach my children to “fear and hate”?

Sounds like you are the one who is filled with fear and hate for anyone who dares not share your views.

This doesn’t sound like one who wants to debate. It sounds like one who only wants to shout put downs…This is why I said on your #1. you sound like one of “those”…

3) Do you also think that uncivil liberals also teach their children to “hate and fear”, or is only the case with people who don’t happen to share your views?
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No! Most “Liberals” I know use open dialog and reasoning when addressing their children. Children recognize BS when they hear it and they are capable of deciding what they are going to believe for themselves. All they have to have is both sides of the argument. That means don’t stay home and hide, like the fear mongers are suggesting. I never coddled my children and they saw life as it was when they grew up. They watched and learned and they made their own decisions. I am proud to say that all but one is not a Republican, but my one “Black Sheep” is a moderate who voted for Ron Paul in the primaries, but could not bring himself to vote at all for either Presidential candidate. I will be the same way with my Grandkids, too.

Get the chip off your shoulder, it’s a much better way to discuss things, really…

Turd Ferguson

September 3rd, 2009
8:47 am

Christian attitudes would dictate helping the poor. Helping the lazy is quite another issue but I wouldnt expect dems/libs to differentiate betwixt and between the two.

TnGelding

September 3rd, 2009
8:48 am

Speech being revised:

“In response, the White House last night confirmed they were revising the lesson plan that was distributed last week by the U.S. Department of Education. ”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/02/wh-withdraws-call-students-help-obama/

tiff

September 3rd, 2009
8:48 am

Obama thinks everyone should love him and agree with his ideas or their terrorist. I don’t think if I were one of the people the White House campaign website calls a “terrorst” for disagreeing with him on his policies, that I would want him talking with my child. He wants America to leave his kids alone and he should leave theirs alone. If Obama and his tieam, as many on this board, wasn’t calling the parents “terrorists and a**ho**s, this might not have been an issue. If the shoe was on the other foot, you Democrats would feel differently. So many hypocrites

Paul

September 3rd, 2009
8:49 am

Mrs. Godzilla 8:07

[[Missle defense system boondoogle prevented!]]

Why was it a boondoggle?

What does it say about European leaders’ ability to count on America and not get sold out on behalf of their enemy to the east?

F. Sinkwich 8:10

I posted the guidance at 8:05 so you could read it for yourself, not some group’s take on it –

Turd 8:13

[[One article stated the agenda was to have students write a paper about how they could help the President.]]

Do you mean as it relates to this speech about taking personal responsibility and being educationally successful? Sounds reasonable to me –

jasper 8:20

“Hufflepuff” is a House at Hogwarts….

hmmmmmm 8:36

[[why would a president need to motivate our children? isn’t that a teacher’s job?]]

Aside from personal example (broken home, parent died, raised by grandparents, minority, achieved high education and political office) – why wouldn’t you want a person who’d been through that in life to say to kids “if I can do it, so can you”? Or to say to kids from fortunate circumstances “let’s talk about responsibility…”

I’d say kids need all the encouragement they can get.

Angry Black Man

September 3rd, 2009
8:49 am

Thanks for the link Paul. I see nothing wrong with the way it’s written, but we live in a sound bite and bumper sticker world. You can cut an entire memo, speech, or letter down to one little phrase and get all kind of reactions from it. Besides, I thought our school system was already socialist. I’ve been paying property taxes to fund the school system for 6 years and just had my first child last year. She won’t enter public school for at least another 3-4 years, but I’ll still be paying property taxes. Go figure.

Ivan

September 3rd, 2009
8:52 am

Very seldom do I agree, but I’m with Mr. Bookman on this one. It’s a little over the top to suggest he’s indoctrinating school children into his socialist agenda. Many Presidents have visited schools to give speeches, albeit not on a scale like this.

However, Mr. Bookman is also suggesting that this hasn’t happened before. I recall when our previous president first took office and said he was going to modernize the textbooks in our schools, the liberals and democrats were having panic attacks and screaming that he was going to fill all the schools with the Holy Bible.

They’re on both sides, Jay. Usually in a “much ado about nothing” scenario like this, I just grab a bowl of boiled peanuts, kick back, and watch the show.

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:53 am

Road Scholar –

“Your memory is so short. You don’t remember the conservatives lambasting the American people who did not support Shrub’s invasion of Iraq for the mythical WMD? They were called anti-American, traitors, etc.. Where were your condemnation comments then?”

Yes, this rhetoric was used by your peers on the right. I denounced it then when they did it and I denounce it when liberals use similar rhetoric like you do.

If you think demonzing people who don’t support a policy is wrong, then don’t do it. Instead, you use the fact that others did it as an excuse to do it yourself.

“My point was, which you apparently missed, is that the sole purpose of schools is not to force the sheer memorization of information or history, but to take the information and think about its impacts to their lives and the world.”

Actually, your point was that conservatives are bad because some of them have an issue with this speech by Obama and that “they are against children learning, listening and formulating their own ideas and values.”

I agree that the last paragraph you cite is silly, but lets not smear all conservatives with the extreme comments of a minority. I certainly don’t hold mainstream liberals accountable for your comments.

Mrs. Godzilla

September 3rd, 2009
8:53 am

Taxpayer

Make my order children of the creamed corn.

gotta go…..huge bid…..wonderful that bidness is picking up…..

TW

September 3rd, 2009
8:54 am

There is no greater threat to the rightwing than an endorsement of education.

Educated people don’t buy crap :)

stands for decibels

September 3rd, 2009
8:56 am

Really? Can you provide an example of someone on the right actually making such a statement?

http://www.amazon.com/Defense-Internment-Round-Up-Americas-Terror/dp/0895260514

You’re welcome.

Normal

September 3rd, 2009
8:56 am

It sounds like Mr. IVAN had his eye on the horizon..we should all take his advice. Pass those peanuts over, dude…

USinUK

September 3rd, 2009
8:57 am

mike –

don’t have time for a complete reply, but I did want to say one thing: as far as denouncing WC specifically, you’re right, I didn’t. however, I DID say, “just as all liberals have been tarred by those who chose to diminish the horrors of Nazism with their comparison of Bush to Hitler” and “even though I am violently opposed to how casual the Hitler/Nazi/SS comparisons have become on both sides of the aisle”, which I though addressed the “little eichmann” issue.

okay. finishing a report. back in … well … soonish

mike

September 3rd, 2009
8:59 am

Normal –

“On this we can agree, but you come off as one of “those”.”

Are there any conservatives who you do not consider one of “those”?

“This doesn’t sound like one who wants to debate. It sounds like one who only wants to shout put downs…This is why I said on your #1. you sound like one of “those”…”

You are a hypocrite. You are the one who said that conservatives want to teach children “to fear and hate.”

“No! Most “Liberals” I know use open dialog and reasoning when addressing their children…….”

LOL. So you really think that there is a moral difference between liberals and conservatives. People like you make me laugh and feel sad at the same time.

Your last paragraph says it all. You can not accept views that differ from your own, so you feel the need to believe that you are morally and intellectually superior to those who hold those views. Your hatred for those who don’t share your views is clear, so please don’t delude yourself into thinking that you are a tolerant person. You are as intolerant as the most strident conservative.

“Get the chip off your shoulder, it’s a much better way to discuss things, really…”

Please explain this statement. Why do I have a “chip on my shoulder” and you do not? This is just more hypocrisy on your part.

mike

September 3rd, 2009
9:01 am

USinUK –

So what? I gave the same level of renouncement of Whiner’s comments, but you still admonished that I had not “denounced” them to your satisfaction.

You need to start applying your own standards yourself before you worry about how the rest of us are living up to them

Taxpayer

September 3rd, 2009
9:02 am

Christian attitudes would dictate helping the poor. Helping the lazy is quite another issue but I wouldnt expect dems/libs to differentiate betwixt and between the two.

And, once you proclaim that all poor are that way because they’re lazy, you got your bases covered.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 3rd, 2009
9:05 am

mike- You are not my spokesperson, squish.

Run along.

Turd Ferguson

September 3rd, 2009
9:05 am

uh…no. There is a difference between lazy and poor. You will have to figure it out from there. Ok…begin.

Road Scholar

September 3rd, 2009
9:07 am

Mike :”Yes, this rhetoric was used by your peers on the right.” I don’t know whether to take this as a complement or an insult! My peers are not on the right, politically speaking! I also understand that children are impressionable. What I’m still amazed by is the level of venom and inaccuracies that the extremes on both sides have resorted to in expressing their ideals and opinions.

mike

September 3rd, 2009
9:07 am

Whiner –

“mike- You are not my spokesperson, squish.”

Never said I was and never want to be. I was just getting tarred by others for your comments and I was pointing out that I am not responsible for what you say, much like you are not responsible for what I say.

Davo

September 3rd, 2009
9:07 am

Maybe Obama can kill two birds with one stone and apologize for slavery while he’s at it.

mike

September 3rd, 2009
9:09 am

Road Scholar

” I don’t know whether to take this as a complement or an insult! My peers are not on the right, politically speaking! ”

You miss the point. When I say your peers on the right, I am referring to the mindless partisans on the right, with whom you share far more in common than you do with mainstream liberals.

Regardless of ideological outlook, all mindless partisans share the same intolerance for others’s ideas and pathetic debating tactics.

mike

September 3rd, 2009
9:11 am

Taxpayer –

“And, once you proclaim that all poor are that way because they’re lazy, you got your bases covered.”

Not at all. Some people are poor because they are lazy, not all.

Jackie

September 3rd, 2009
9:11 am

@Turd

Could you please expound on your 8:49 post. I am interested in your use of the word “lazy?”

Taxpayer

September 3rd, 2009
9:12 am

Maybe Obama can kill two birds with one stone and apologize for slavery while he’s at it.

I know what you mean, dude. But, it’s for their own good and it’s only from about 8 til 3, five days a week. The get their freedom back every weekend and summers as well.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

September 3rd, 2009
9:12 am

As one of the preparatory materials for teachers provided by the Department of Education, students had been asked to, “Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. “

The Hitler Youth was a logical extension of Hitler’s belief that the future of Nazi Germany was its children. The Hitler Youth was seen as being as important to a child as school was. In the early years of the Nazi government, Hitler had made it clear as to what he expected German children to be like:

Get off of the children, leave them out of your sicknesses.